[12:13] <Riddell> mjg59: do you know anything about powersaved?
[12:13] <Riddell> like if it's sane to use in kubuntu
[12:16] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync nvtv from unstable, ubuntu override ok
[01:21] <LaserJock> elmo: octave2.9 built fine for me in a dapper pbuilder and installs and runs. Is there anything else that would need to be done get it from Debian into Ubuntu?
[01:21] <elmo> LaserJock: read scroll back
[01:22] <LaserJock> elmo: so I don't understand how it is broken?
[01:24] <elmo> [Updating]  octave2.9 (0 [Ubuntu]  < 2.9.4-8 [Debian] )
[01:24] <elmo> E: octave2.9 is trying to override octave_2.1.71-2ubuntu3 without -f/--force.
[01:24] <elmo> 22:17 < elmo> if someone would like to examine them, see if they should be synced or merged, that'd be nice, kthx
[01:26] <mdke> elmo, i know I'm bothering you a lot recently about this, but hopefully you don't mind. it's important for us :) LaserJock for docteam svn access pls
[01:27] <LaserJock> elmo: I gotta go right now but I will get back to you on octave2.9 Sid has both with octave depending on octave2.1 but I guess when it builds in Ubuntu it wants to depend on octave2.9 and replace octave2.1
[02:22] <wasabi> Which menu did synaptic disappear to heh
[03:23] <crimsun> wasabi: it hasn't...System> Administration> Synaptic[..] 
[06:48] <whiprush> someone from the distro team awake?
[07:11] <whiprush> jdub: ping
[08:01] <desrt> man.  i love freenode.
[08:03] <\sh> ogra: ping
[08:04] <\sh> well...is it just me, or is ssh -X <remote host> not setting the $DISPLAY on the remote host correctly?
[08:04] <\sh> both machines were dist-upgraded just now
[08:07] <desrt> is DISPLAY getting set at all and/or is X forwarding enabled on both ends and/or are you getting any diagnostic messages?
[08:09] <\sh> desrt: it worked before with just ssh -X 
[08:09] <\sh> and I can see via ssh -vX that it should be set
[08:09] <\sh> debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
[08:09] <\sh> debug1: Sending environment.
[08:09] <\sh> I didn't change anything regarding the config.
[08:11] <\sh> well..let me completly restart my x11 session..
[08:11] <\sh> give me a sec :)
[08:13] <\sh> no change
[08:17] <\sh> strange very strange
[10:42] <ogra> \sh, works for me
[10:42] <\sh> ogra: hmmmm....very very strange
[10:42] <ogra> DISPLAY should be localhost:10.0
[10:44] <\sh> yes...normally...but it doesn't work a) automatially with ssh -X anymore, and setting it b) manually it won't work either
[10:45] <pef> someone from laptop team here ?
[10:53] <ssam> \sh do you have xauth on the machine you are sshing to?
[10:53] <\sh> ssam: yes
[10:54] <\sh> ssam: well...as I said, it worked until the last dist-upgrade
[10:55] <ssam> \sh, ok, thats what usually makes it not work for me
[11:04] <ogra> what was upgraded ? 
[11:13] <\sh> ogra: I'm just looking what could change the behaviour of ssh/sshd which is not ssh 
[11:14] <ogra> ipv6
[11:14] <\sh> ipv6?
[11:15] <Treenaks> ipv666
[11:15] <\sh> debug3: Ignored env DISPLAY
[11:15] <\sh> thats what ssh -vvv -X <remote> gives me
[11:15] <Treenaks> \sh: does the sshd allow X forwarding?
[11:15] <\sh> Treenaks: yes
[11:16] <\sh> Treenaks: I checked it, didn't change anything, so it was working yesterday morning but strangly not anymore
[11:16] <ogra> \sh, try setting "AddressFamily inet" and restart sshd
[11:17] <\sh> ogra: on the remote host, yes?
[11:17] <ogra> yup
[11:17] <ogra> in the sshd config
[11:17] <\sh> nope
[11:18] <\sh> ebug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth  list :0.0 . 2>/dev/null
[11:18] <\sh> debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
[11:18] <\sh> debug2: channel 0: request x11-req confirm 0
[11:19] <\sh> and again..ignored env DISPLAY
[11:30] <ogra> \sh, ignoring display means it ignores the set variable on the client, not the one on the server...
[11:30] <\sh> ogra: ok...but it's strange, that it doesn't set the env anymore on the remote host
[11:31] <\sh> how can I debug the connection on the host?
[11:31] <ogra> ssh -vvv drops out client messages....
[11:31] <ogra> you can set the LOGLEVEL in the server config to DEBUG3
[11:31] <ogra> it logs in /var/log/auth.log
[11:32] <\sh> ogra: that's what I pasted ...
[11:32] <\sh> ok
[11:33] <\sh> Jan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket.
[11:33] <\sh> Jan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed.
[11:34] <\sh> and before that
[11:34] <\sh> Jan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : debug2: bind port 6995: Cannot assign requested address
[11:34] <\sh> Jan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : debug2: bind port 6996: Cannot assign requested address
[11:34] <\sh> a lot of those..starting from port 6010
[11:35] <ogra> and you have set "AddressFamily inet" in the sshd config ???
[11:35] <\sh> yes
[11:35] <ogra> weird
[11:35] <ogra> you also restarted sshd after setting it ? 
[11:36] <\sh> ogra: what do you think>
[11:36] <\sh> ?
[11:37] <\sh> and someone tries to hack my box with a big shitload of standard usernames and a big bunch of normal first names..funny
[11:43] <\sh> ogra: any other thought?
[11:44] <ogra> not now, no
[11:46] <\sh> some tweaks on the xdm configuration should not change the behaviour
[11:46] <\sh> hmmm...I should reboot the box somehow.
[11:47] <ogra> xdm ? 
[11:47] <ogra> not really, no
[11:47] <mjr> hmh, what was that free (as in speech) multiplatform SIP VOIP solution by that company that also sold call-out?
[11:47] <ogra> what did you change ? 
[11:48] <\sh> ogra: nothing..I was thinking to set "listen tcp" on my client side...but this is not the problem at all..ssh -X should work without any modifications on xdm...
[11:49] <\sh> mjr: skype? which is not sip anyway? 
[11:49] <mjr> umm, no, skype is as proprietary as can be
[11:49] <mjr> OpenWengo it was
[11:49] <\sh> mjr: other sip providers you can usewith any sip compatible client
[11:50] <ogra> you run xdm through the tunnel ? 
[11:50] <\sh> ogra: no
[11:50] <ogra> how else ? 
[11:50] <ogra> sounded like 
[11:51] <\sh> ogra: nono 
[12:12] <siretart> is main still open for merges in 'main'? I just merged a the new pbuilder from unstable, and wanted to ask if it was ok to upload
[12:14] <infinity> siretart: Merges in main are still fine for a while, but don't upload anything that could mess with Kamion's attempts to do a Flight release (ie: I'm holding off on a neon upgrade that will bump SONAMEs and make several packages uninstallable)
[12:14] <infinity> siretart: pbuilder should most likely be fine and do no harm.
[12:15] <siretart> infinity: the only change in pbuilder is the change that we don't use cdebootstrap in ubuntu (yet?)
[12:18] <siretart> I'm currently running the testsuite, of nothing too suspicous happens (I think of cdebootstrap breakage or so) I'm going to upload it
[01:15] <\sh> what is failing?
[01:15] <hunger> \sh mandb, cups logrotate, occasionally some other things as well.
[01:16] <hunger> \sh: I keep writting bugreports about the issues I see.
[01:17] <hunger> Could someone please allow launchpad to send mails to ubuntu-bugs? I get a mail about "waiting for moderator approval" almost each time I report a bug there.
[01:18] <hunger> \sh: See malone #28529, #6418, #6412, #6414, #6415, #6416.
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28529: "logrotate script for cups fails" Fix req. for: cupsys (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/28529
[01:19] <\sh> oh well...another task for konquis "lpbug" searchprovider which I added yesterday..nice
[01:20] <hunger> \sh: looks like some of the issues got fixed in the meantime... at least the mail cron send me today is somewhat shorter then usual:-)
[01:20] <\sh> hehe
[01:31] <hunger> Did somebody look into malone #23388 already? That is targeted for dapper if I understand malone properly.
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23388: "base (Ubuntu) - tput used in /lib/lsb/init-functions after /usr is unmounted" Fix req. for: lsb lsb-base (Ubuntu), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: Michael Vogt, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/23388
[02:05] <sivang> hey \sh , already hacking konqueror's stuff to help you work with bugs in malone? :-)
[02:05] <\sh> sivang: already done :)
[02:05] <\sh> sivang: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts I uploaded yesterday
[02:06] <sivang> \sh: let me see if I have konq installed, I will install your package :)
[02:07] <\sh> sivang: if you install kubuntu-desktop it should be installed by default :)
[02:07] <sivang> eh, it's in main :)
[02:07] <\sh> sure it is :)
[02:08] <sivang> (I searched for in universe)
[02:09] <sivang> bah, 225MB for k-desktop, I guess I will just install konq :)
[02:15] <sivang> \sh: ok, installed, does it support only what's said in the package description?
[02:16] <\sh> sivang: what is written in /usr/share/doc/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/README yes...feel free to bug me with more nifty tools for kubuntu searchproviders :)
[02:16] <\sh> or whatever you need and which is not in the upstream source :)
[02:17] <sivang> \sh: sure, if I feel too adventures, I Might take a shot at giving you a patch :)
[02:21] <sivang> \sh: man, konqueror is sweet.
[02:21] <\sh> sivang: it is
[02:29] <ulaas> slomo, i cannot ping localhost. and this is a new issue.. any ideas?
[02:30] <slomo> ulaas: no idea... works fine here
[02:31] <\sh> check /etc/hosts
[02:31] <\sh> and check /etc/network/interface if auto lo is in this file
[02:31] <sebest> ulaas, what error do you have?
[02:32] <sebest> could be that lo is down or a firewall issue
[02:33] <ulaas> i cannot even ping my dhcp received ip. but i can ping the server.
[02:33] <ulaas> there is no error
[02:33] <ulaas> and no firewall i guess
[02:33] <ulaas> hmmmmm. strange
[02:34] <ulaas> how can i check if i have iptable rulez?
[02:34] <sebest> ulaas, iptables -L, show that everything is accepted?
[02:35] <ulaas> sebest, oh. chain input is empty..
[02:36] <sebest> all chain should be empyt, and policy should be set to ACCEPT if the firewall is disable
[02:36] <olemke> ulaas, try running sudo ifdown lo; sudo ifup lo
[02:36] <olemke> fixed it for me this morning
[02:36] <olemke> same for other interfaces
[02:37] <ulaas> olemke, yeah worked for me. reallly strange.
[02:38] <ulaas> olemke, just lo made other interfaces start responding as well.
[02:38] <olemke> ulaas, ah ok
[02:41] <ulaas> bugzilla depends on mysql?
[02:41] <\sh> yes
[02:42] <ulaas> \sh, then why apt only recommends mysql-server
[02:42] <jdub> ulaas: you might be running your database server on a different machine
[02:43] <\sh> oh it doesn't depend on it...because it's not necessary to install it on this machine...but bugzilla without a db server makes no sense
[02:43] <\sh> and I'm totally tired of tracking down libXft.la corpses
[02:43] <ulaas> jdub, good point.
[02:48] <hunger> is malone the official tracker now?
[02:49] <\sh> hunger: yes :)
[02:49] <\sh> finally
[02:49] <hunger> \sh: Good... maybe my bugs will be worked no now;-)
[02:50] <hunger> \sh: ... even though I do prefer bugzilla to lp ...
[02:50] <HiddenWolf> hunger: you are not the only one.
[02:50] <\sh> hunger: well...i don't know poke the last uploader :)
[02:51] <hunger> \sh: I started assigning stuff to people.
[02:52] <hunger> \sh: I picked the names more or less randomly though, but so far noboby complained;-)
[02:52] <\sh> lol
[02:52] <\sh> take me from the list...I'm a bit overloaded right now...have my own adventure running :)
[02:52] <\sh> fixing kubuntu
[02:53] <hunger> \sh: Can't... don't know your real name.
[02:53] <\sh> hunger: good to know that you don't know the /whois command  ,)
[02:53] <hunger> \sh: LP knows the irc nicks, etc. but it does not list them in the people search page.
[02:54] <hunger> \sh: Im a IRC idiot... I hang around wherever my irc-client connects me to!
[02:54] <\sh> hunger: hahahaha
[02:55] <\sh> I'm happy that launchpad can't work with my nick :)
[02:55] <hunger> \sh: actually I never wanted to hang out here... but since #ubuntu-devel is the channel I was connected to I started using ubuntu and pester the developers.
[03:20] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping
[03:21] <\sh> Mithrandir: for what is ia32-libs-kde?
[03:23] <lmanul> Hey guys, against whihc package should I file my bug if it had been the "linux" product in bugzilla ? There are tons of "linux" stuff in malone, not sure which one I should use (that's the 2.6.15-12 kernel in dapper)
[03:24] <\sh> linux-source-2.6.15
[03:24] <lmanul> \sh, Thanks a lot ! :)
[03:45] <ryanpg> morning all, so I recieved an email on a bug I've filed in ubuntu's bugzilla... when I click the link it says my account has been disabled, due to the switch to malone and to email jeff waugh... before I send off an email, could someone offer come clarification?
[03:45] <HiddenWolf> ryanpg: bugs got imported into launchpad
[03:46] <HiddenWolf> ryanpg: should be followed up there.
[03:46] <ryanpg> HiddenWolf, before I start googling "launchpad ubuntu" do you have an URL explaining this?
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> launchpad.net
[03:47] <ryanpg> HiddenWolf, ty
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> ryanpg: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000054.html
[04:31] <xhaker> hey BenC are you around?
[04:34] <siretart> elmo: please sync pstoedit_3.42-3 from unstable, ok to override ubuntu changes.
[04:39] <BenC> xhaker: sort of
[04:42] <siretart> btw, does james currently process syncs?
[04:52] <xhaker> BenC: mind to take a look at this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/28433
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28433: "source-2.6.15 powernowd (Ubuntu) - speedstep-centrino doesn't load on pentium m laptop" Fix req. for: linux-source-2.6.15 powernowd (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Debian Bug Importer, Status: Confirmed
[04:52] <xhaker> haha
[04:52] <xhaker> yeh
[04:52] <xhaker> the one the bot spit
[04:57] <xhaker> gonna make my lunch
[04:57] <xhaker> bbl
[05:31] <hunger> Could someone please move ifupdown-clean after checkroot.sh in /etc/rc.S?
[05:32] <hunger> is mounted ro when ifupdown-clean is run, so it fails to clean... which makes ifup think lo is already up, skipping it.
[05:34] <Mithrandir> \sh: for the ooo2 kde widget stuff on amd64.
[05:35] <\sh> Mithrandir: do you need to rebuild them, if there are libXft.la corpses in kdes .la files? 
[05:52] <\sh> jdub: I'm proud of you that you finally spamed the planet today and not me :)
[05:59] <Mithrandir> \sh: well, it doesn't work correctly, so *shrug*
[06:00] <\sh> Mithrandir: i'm just asking, because I'm cleaning kde from libXft.la references ... I'm just finished with it...and I was wondering if we need to rebuild it as well...but when you say: "go away, this package is heavily broken" I'll leave it to you ;)
[06:01] <Mithrandir> \sh: haha, sure, I can rebuild it
[06:03] <\sh> Mithrandir: rock :) thx :)
[06:13] <sivang> \sh: do you know how to fix bzrtool not installable problem on dapper?
[06:13] <sivang> (everybody told me they rebuilt from source, but that didn't work for me)
[06:13] <\sh> sivang: use the daily snapshots from jbailey
[06:14] <\sh> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr ./
[06:14] <\sh> deb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr ./
[06:15] <jblack> Flash isn't working right on my system. I get audio, but no video
[06:15] <sivang> eh, weird, those were once in my sources list, I must have removed them or something, thanks
[06:15] <sivang> jblack: James, how's you besides the flash problem? :)
[06:15] <\sh> sivang: but bzrtools is installable on dapper...I just did it (from ubuntu archives)
[06:16] <jblack> sivang: I'm good. And you?
[06:17] <HiddenWolf> jblack: this is not a support channel
[06:17] <HiddenWolf> jblack: please file bugreport or ask for help in #ubuntu
[06:17] <jblack> Whoops. I'm in the wrong channel.
[06:18] <jsgotangco> jblack, nice seeing you again :)
[06:18] <jblack> js: Hey buddy.
[06:18] <jblack> jsgotangco: You coming to the next conference? 
[06:18] <sivang> jblack: there's already a next one planned? :)
[06:19] <jblack> Not yet. 
[06:19] <sivang> \sh: I have jbailey's sources, still does not owrk
[06:19] <jsgotangco> jblack, i hope so dunno where it is yet...been busy with work in au
[06:19] <jblack> jsgotangco: I know the distro side of the house just went/possibly still are, somewhere. I think Brazil.
[06:20] <jblack> Or the UK, now that I think about it.
[06:22] <HiddenWolf> jdub: planet messed up.
[06:27] <jsgotangco> yay planet jdub 
[06:27] <sivang> hehe
[06:31] <pef> I've a question about sponsored uploads, should I leave motu hopefull name on changelog, or use mine and put "sponsored upload for..." in the changelog ? what pros and cons for each method ?
[06:31] <\sh> pef: leave motu hopful names
[06:32] <\sh> pef: debuild -S [-sa]  -k<your key uid> is the match :)
[06:32] <pef> \sh: exactly what I need, thank you :)
[06:33] <\sh> time to grab some food somehow....
[06:33] <sivang> \sh: ordering a pizza could be a rememdy, I do that when I feel incompetent to prepare or get food :)
[06:34] <\sh> sivang: for that I have to go out of my flat, go to a hole in da wall and get some cash :)
[06:34] <sivang> eh, I see :) bullocks all those pizza places that don't take credit cards for deliveries :)
[06:35] <\sh> sivang: credit cards in germany and mobile pizza services are too stylish ;) 
[06:36] <sivang> actually in here as well, I always envy my NYC cousin when he tells me he oders pizza online :)
[06:37] <\sh> sivang: some services have it (order online) but payment is just still "cash at the frontdoor"
[06:38] <sivang> outrageous :)
[06:39] <\sh> actually...I have to get up now (laying in bed the whole day and pbuilding, patching and uploading is quite nice...but it's not healthy)
[06:40] <StevenK> \sh: Sure it is. :-)
[06:41] <sivang> \sh: right, might get your body parts fall asleep
[06:42] <\sh> StevenK: no it's not :) it was dark night when I started, and it's dark now..something is totally wrong with me...
[06:42] <\sh> bbl
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hey guys good night :)
[06:44] <jsgotangco> its almost 2am here
[06:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:55] <j^> hi, i have a bug filed against network-manager that should be moved to the kernel, since its the iwp2100 module that failes.
[06:56] <j^> the problem is, i cant find any kernel product in launchpad
[07:01] <HiddenWolf> j^ try linix-source
[07:02] <j^> HiddenWolf the' Select Product' windows does not find anything
[07:02] <HiddenWolf> Then I do not know
[07:04] <siretart> j^: try linux-source-2.6.15
[07:04] <j^> oh, the problem was that the bug was not agains ubuntu/network-manager, but network-manager/upstream
[08:02] <siretart> infinity: lamont-away: can anyone explain me why 'guichan' isn't even tried to be build? it doesn't even appear in http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386, but the source is here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/guichan/
[08:02] <siretart> it looks to me like wanna build wouldn't know about it at all *headscratching*
[08:04] <lamont-away> siretart: could it be that it was dropped from dapper?
[08:05] <\sh> siretart: check dapper :)
[08:05] <\sh> siretart: not breezy
[08:09] <psusi> mjg59, you around?
[08:17] <siretart> gnarf
[08:18] <siretart> lamont-away: so it is in dep-wait. could you do something about that then, please? :)
[08:27] <BenC> yummy, working sound on my PB
[08:28] <zul> whoa...you get a beer!
[08:44] <siretart> can't we make libgl-mesa-dev just provide xlibmesa-gl-dev? It would reduce a good bunch of unnecessary divergence
[08:44] <psusi> BenC, does the kernel free the memory used by the initramfs?  and if so, how and when?
[08:45] <\sh> siretart: it's only a matter of time when it's going away...
[08:47] <\sh> ok..relaxing time now :) last samurai should be a nice movie to watch for relaxing
[08:47] <\sh> cu later....
[08:47] <crimsun> psusi: no, it doesn't.
[08:52] <BenC> crimsun: yes, it does
[08:52] <BenC> it free's the initial initrd space
[08:52] <BenC> and after pivoting out of the initramfs to the real root, I believe it also free's the initramfs space
[08:53] <crimsun> BenC: right, but ... ok, I'll update the documentation
[08:53] <BenC> I'd hate for 10-20 megs of memort to just remain used for no reason :)
[08:57] <psusi> BenC, it tries to you mean right?  if a process starts in the initramfs and continues to run after the pivot, it can't free it right?
[08:58] <crimsun> if we haven't made any changes to the initramfs code in the kernel, then it isn't freed according to Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
[08:58] <psusi> then the question is, does it get freed when that process eventually does terminate?
[08:58] <psusi> oh my, that would be bad
[08:59] <BenC> psusi: right
[08:59] <crimsun> there's a fairly lengthy thread on lkml with Al Viro's comments on why that memory isn't freed
[08:59] <BenC> hmm, then I guess the ramdisk stays around
[08:59] <Mithrandir> psusi: run-init rm-s everything in the initramfs.
[08:59] <psusi> oh my, that sucks... I'll search for that thread
[09:00] <Mithrandir> BenC: sure, but how much does an empty tmpfs mount cost you?
[09:00] <psusi> Mithrandir, ahhhh!
[09:00] <crimsun> Mithrandir: awesome, that's what I was hoping to find
[09:00] <psusi> then yea, space is freed when the process terminates ;)
[09:00] <psusi> very cool
[09:00] <crimsun> psusi: if you're interested, this is what Al said about it: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0311.2/0191.html
[09:00] <Mithrandir> if you have something which opens a file in the initramfs, but doesn't close it, that space is kept, though the file is removed.
[09:01] <psusi> Mithrandir, right, like a running process's binary... but it will be freed when the file is closed ( when it terminates )
[09:09] <psusi> why does /initrd still exist?  pivot_root isn't used with the initramfs right?  it just mounts the new fs on top of / right?
[09:15] <crimsun> psusi: right. (http://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=blob;h=b3404a0325967de5fdce4a29e879258075ede500;hb=615a7c0f63d4c82acee5124138e9f53c5969cd0d;f=Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt)
[09:28] <ulaas> package configurations fallback to console. it seems it cannot launch gtk interface. any ideas?
[09:34] <ulaas> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
[09:34] <ulaas> debconf: (Can't locate object method "signal_connect" via package "Gtk2::Window" at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm line 73, <> line 14.)
[09:34] <ulaas> debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
[11:16] <mdke> elmo, Znarl, statutory ping about LaserJock's docteam svn access 
[11:20] <j^> launchpad keeps sending me "Your message to ubuntu-bugs awaits moderator approval" messages
[11:21] <j^> *mailman send them, for each bug i file in launchpad, for each list that is subscribed to the bug
[11:27] <lamont-away> jdub: how about a link on bugzilla.u.c taking us to malone>?
[11:29] <j^> or a redirect from http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[11:30] <lamont-away> fortunately, google got me there in under 3 links
[11:32] <j^> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ links to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | https://launchpad.net/ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/+login
[11:41] <lamont-away> this is neat.   I _know_ that there's a way for me to actually close a bug....
[11:43] <Nafallo> lamont-away: click on what you want to change basically :-)
[11:44] <lamont-away> have I mentioned this week that hiding links all over the t)%&*&%*_^(+ page is an absolutely non-intuitive interface?
[11:44] <j^> way to many links
[11:45] <lamont-away> j^: it's more the total lack of any indicator that it _might_ be a link.
[11:45] <lamont-away> so I get to wave my mouse all over the page to see what might be one... awesome.
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[11:46] <j^> +editstatus :)
[11:46] <j^> to me it looks like +edit and +editstatus should be one page
[11:46] <Burgundavia> j^, the moderator approval thing is known
[11:47] <Burgundavia> there are a great number of pages that need to be combined
[11:51] <j^> "Report a Bug in XYZ in ubuntu" should go from the view of an individual bug, thats not an action on the bug itself