=== Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:59] Kyral: got your connection undercontrol? :-) === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-70-238-97-240.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:30] hey all [01:33] hello [01:35] salut [01:36] yo [01:37] -> bed [01:55] later [01:57] has there been any posting on the lists? i haven't got anything lately... === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@210-246-52-130.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:19] mgalvin, no wiki team for you! ;) Just kidding. I approved you [06:20] Burgundavia: are there ever wiki team meetings? [06:20] LaserJock, no, they are merged into the great doc team meetings [06:20] LaserJock: wikiteam = docteam, pretty much [06:20] *greater [06:20] ok, just wondered [06:49] Burgundavia: thanks :) === LCamel [i=luors@chengjeng.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === artnay [n=jirig@195.148.144.4] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] I did a svn status in my checkout of the repo and I have several lines beginning with a ? that are files in ubuntu/desktopguide/C/db/ what does that mean? [07:14] LaserJock: man svn might tell you :) [07:14] bleh, never mind, it doesn't... [07:14] well, I am looking in the svn book but I think I know what it means [07:15] but I'm not sure what to do about it [07:15] svn status on my checkout gives me a ? on one old .diff of mine that I haven't deleted yet, and two docs that AFAIK I've never touched - not sure [07:17] hmm, I don't know what happened to mine [07:17] Madpilot: do you have anything in ubuntu/desktopguide/C/db/ ? [07:18] when I run "svn status"? No. [07:19] at all? [07:19] I mean if you "ls" the directory? [07:21] it's empty [07:21] actually, no it's not, there's a dot file there - .svn [07:21] run "ls -la" [07:22] ok, I have 9 files in there [07:23] all I show w/ "ls -la" is one file, .svn [07:24] you can delete the whole directory then run svn up if you think you've got stuff accumulated in there that shouldn't be there === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.217.35] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:26] so svn up doesn't delete anything? or just doesn't delete files that have changed locally? [07:27] TBH, I'm not sure - it won't delete files that're created locally, like .diff files [07:28] Madpilot: ok, thanks for the help [07:28] np [07:28] I should do some reading on SVN & CVS soon, I want to start a personal archive for some of my own projects... [07:30] well, I need to start using svn and svn-buildpackage for packaging and I will hopefully get docteam repo access soon so I better know what I'm doing :-) [07:30] I've never really had to use svn or CVS much other than to checkout source for apps [07:32] likewise [07:34] then I also need to wrap my head around bzr [07:39] Madpilot: why don't you bry bzr? it's pretty simply to start keeping track of changes for some of your local files [07:39] s/bry/try [07:40] it does seem to be better suited for local repositories [07:41] but I need to learn svn too since it is used soo much [07:41] I think I have one repo in svn and one in bzr :-) [07:41] robitaille: I'll have a look, maybe later this weekend - one app I use a lot (Screem) uses CVS too, so it would be nice to take advantage of that integration [08:43] Madpilot, are you going downtown tomorrow? [08:50] Burgundavia: doesn't look like it - I thought I was (I'm not working, anyway) [08:51] Madpilot, would you be able to swing by before 12 with a printed copy so I could photocopy some? === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-115.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-189.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:33] What's the best way to get involved with the doc team? === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:28] dsas: have you read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects and checked out https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos ? [02:13] crimsun, i'll check those out, thanks. === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:33] crimsun, future reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted [03:34] i'll stick it in the topic [03:35] mdke: great, thanks === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:mdke] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next Meeting: 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: at #ubuntu-meeting === Belutz [n=Belutz@202.155.151.120] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-168-196.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hi [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@adsl-69-212-158-68.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:21] hmm... *thursday's news* if macbooks and imacs have intel procs... this needs to be documented i assume...? [05:21] for installation [05:22] expensive as balls for the macbook pro === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-115.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tac0 [n=taco@69-167-196-194.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:23] hi [08:23] hi tac0 [08:23] when i boot from the live cd [08:23] it goes then i get 'x server failed to load' [08:23] or something like that :| [08:24] you'll need #ubuntu for that, I'm afraid [08:24] this is the documentation team [08:24] well im in there and i went to the help site and saw this channel [08:24] so i thought id try ;) === tac0 [n=taco@69-167-196-194.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:30] ok I'm gonna try a new apache configuration on the help/doc.ubuntu.com, hopefully will make things a bit quicker [08:31] looks better [08:31] if anyone sees this, test and report [08:32] seems pretty snappy [08:32] can't comment on prior [08:32] slow as hell :) [08:33] then sure, I'd say it's a considerable difference [08:33] good [08:33] tricky to tell how it performs at different times [08:33] maybe there is some kind of utility for that sort of thing [08:34] mdke: they both seem fast - faster than they used to be, I'm pretty sure [08:34] There's still a CSS bug in both pages, though - one that Opera catches & FF doesn't... [08:35] in Opera the top banner doesn't touch the top or sides of the window [08:36] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2F [08:36] http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.ubuntu.com [08:37] oh, i'll have a look at that, thanks [08:37] i remember you raised it before, but I kinda left it for henrik [08:38] yeah. It's not a bug that FF catches, so I'm not surprised it's been ignored :P [08:38] i can't believe you use opera dude [08:38] shocking stuff [08:39] FF feels crippled in it's default install - I'd have to spend a couple of days installing plugins - some of which might not work - to get FF to do everything Opera does right out of the box... [08:40] i like epiphany [08:40] Madpilot, the css validates, which of those html validation problems is the cause, do you know? [08:40] not sure, I haven't looked thru the entire validation report [08:41] Epiphany has some nice features - I like how it handles bookmarks [08:41] the only thing i miss from firefox is the rss feed bookmark things [08:43] mdke: in the css file for both pages, add "padding:0" to the body tag as well as margin:0 - that should solve the Opera issue [08:43] ok [08:44] it's not exactly a bug, but opera & FF make different basic assumptions about padding/margins by default [08:44] i can't see anything wrong with the html [08:44] he's used these php files [08:45] Madpilot, ok i did padding:0 for doc.u.c, see if it helps? [08:45] yes, that's got it [08:46] good [08:46] thanks v much [08:46] I always start w/ padding:0;margin:0 in body, so I forget that different browsers have different defaults... [08:46] i can't really be bothered with the html validation errors now... [08:47] most of them are pretty minor, and don't seem to be affecting display at all [08:47] if you want to play around, I can give you a login, otherwise, I'm happy to have solved the css thing [08:47] the " ? [08:48] maybe later, I don't really have time right now - I should be doing other stuff aside from IRC right at this minute :P [08:48] hehe, ok thanks again [08:48] no, just end it with a plain > [08:48] like the stylesheet link right above it [08:49] I'm pretty sure that that stray / is the cause of the 1st & 2nd HTML validation errors === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:32] hi bshumate [11:15] LaserJock, saw your question about the extra files in desktopguide, they are normal [11:15] they're used for generation of the links database [11:16] oh, so when I build html? [11:17] yes, i believe so [11:17] geeze mdke your going to get them mad at me ;-) [11:17] nah [11:17] anything with a "?" in svn means that you've added it but its not under version control [11:18] yeah, I got that far I just wondered where they came from [11:18] but if a file is deleted from the svn repo it is deleted from my local copy unless I have modified it, correct? [11:19] if you do "svn up" [11:19] dunno what happens if you've modified it [11:19] well, it doesn't get rid of my local changes to the packaging guide [11:20] ah good [11:20] want me to commit anything on that? [11:20] umm, not quite yet [11:21] I wanted to get close to what is already there, I just integrated an example that theCore [11:21] and if I add some stuff, I think I will be ready to commit when I get commit access :-) === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:24] mdke: I think some people have used the current doc.ubuntu.com packaging guide so I don't want to get rid of that until I have something that at least approaches replacing it. Does that make sense? [11:40] LaserJock, sure, sorry for late reply [11:41] ok, np === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc