[12:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: got your connection undercontrol? :-)
[01:30] <hyperactivecrond> hey all
[01:33] <mdke> hello
[01:35] <Burgwork> salut
[01:36] <hyperactivecrond> yo
[01:37] <mdke> -> bed
[01:55] <hyperactivecrond> later
[01:57] <hyperactivecrond> has there been any posting on the lists? i haven't got anything lately...
[06:19] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, no wiki team for you! ;) Just kidding. I approved you
[06:20] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: are there ever wiki team meetings?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, no, they are merged into the great doc team meetings
[06:20] <Madpilot> LaserJock: wikiteam = docteam, pretty much
[06:20] <Burgundavia> *greater
[06:20] <LaserJock> ok, just wondered
[06:49] <mgalvin> Burgundavia: thanks :)
[07:11] <LaserJock> I did a svn status in my checkout of the repo and I have several lines beginning with a ? that are files in ubuntu/desktopguide/C/db/ what does that mean?
[07:14] <Madpilot> LaserJock: man svn might tell you :)
[07:14] <Madpilot> bleh, never mind, it doesn't... 
[07:14] <LaserJock> well, I am looking in the svn book but I think I know what it means
[07:15] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure what to do about it
[07:15] <Madpilot> svn status on my checkout gives me a ? on one old .diff of mine that I haven't deleted yet, and two docs that AFAIK I've never touched - not sure
[07:17] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know what happened to mine
[07:17] <LaserJock> Madpilot: do you have anything in ubuntu/desktopguide/C/db/ ?
[07:18] <Madpilot> when I run "svn status"? No.
[07:19] <LaserJock> at all?
[07:19] <LaserJock> I mean if you "ls" the directory?
[07:21] <Madpilot> it's empty
[07:21] <Madpilot> actually, no it's not, there's a dot file there - .svn
[07:21] <Madpilot> run "ls -la"
[07:22] <LaserJock> ok, I have 9 files in there
[07:23] <Madpilot> all I show w/ "ls -la" is one file, .svn
[07:24] <Madpilot> you can delete the whole directory then run svn up if you think you've got stuff accumulated in there that shouldn't be there
[07:26] <LaserJock> so svn up doesn't delete anything? or just doesn't delete files that have changed locally?
[07:27] <Madpilot> TBH, I'm not sure - it won't delete files that're created locally, like .diff files
[07:28] <LaserJock> Madpilot: ok, thanks for the help
[07:28] <Madpilot> np 
[07:28] <Madpilot> I should do some reading on SVN & CVS soon, I want to start a personal archive for some of my own projects...
[07:30] <LaserJock> well, I need to start using svn and svn-buildpackage for packaging and I will hopefully get docteam repo access soon so I better know what I'm doing :-)
[07:30] <LaserJock> I've never really had to use svn or CVS much other than to checkout source for apps
[07:32] <Madpilot> likewise
[07:34] <LaserJock> then I also need to wrap my head around bzr
[07:39] <robitaille> Madpilot:  why don't you bry bzr?  it's pretty simply to start keeping track of changes for some of your local files
[07:39] <robitaille> s/bry/try
[07:40] <LaserJock> it does seem to be better suited for local repositories
[07:41] <LaserJock> but I need to learn svn too since it is used soo much
[07:41] <LaserJock> I think I have one repo in svn and one in bzr  :-)
[07:41] <Madpilot> robitaille: I'll have a look, maybe later this weekend - one app I use a lot (Screem) uses CVS too, so it would be nice to take advantage of that integration
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, are you going downtown tomorrow?
[08:50] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: doesn't look like it - I thought I was (I'm not working, anyway)
[08:51] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, would you be able to swing by before 12 with a printed copy so I could photocopy some?
[12:33] <dsas> What's the best way to get involved with the doc team?
[01:28] <crimsun> dsas: have you read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects and checked out https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos ?
[02:13] <dsas> crimsun, i'll check those out, thanks.
[03:33] <mdke> crimsun, future reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted
[03:34] <mdke> i'll stick it in the topic
[03:35] <crimsun> mdke: great, thanks
[05:21] <hyperactivecrond> hmm... *thursday's news* if macbooks and imacs have intel procs... this needs to be documented i assume...?
[05:21] <hyperactivecrond> for installation
[05:22] <hyperactivecrond> expensive as balls for the macbook pro
[08:23] <tac0> hi
[08:23] <mdke> hi tac0 
[08:23] <tac0> when i boot from the live cd
[08:23] <tac0> it goes then i get 'x server failed to load'
[08:23] <tac0> or something like that :|
[08:24] <mdke> you'll need #ubuntu for that, I'm afraid
[08:24] <mdke> this is the documentation team
[08:24] <tac0> well im in there and i went to the help site and saw this channel
[08:24] <tac0> so i thought id try ;)
[08:30] <mdke> ok I'm gonna try a new apache configuration on the help/doc.ubuntu.com, hopefully will make things a bit quicker
[08:31] <mdke> looks better
[08:31] <mdke> if anyone sees this, test and report
[08:32] <crimsun> seems pretty snappy
[08:32] <crimsun> can't comment on prior
[08:32] <mdke> slow as hell :)
[08:33] <crimsun> then sure, I'd say it's a considerable difference
[08:33] <mdke> good
[08:33] <mdke> tricky to tell how it performs at different times
[08:33] <mdke> maybe there is some kind of utility for that sort of thing
[08:34] <Madpilot> mdke: they both seem fast - faster than they used to be, I'm pretty sure
[08:34] <Madpilot> There's still a CSS bug in both pages, though - one that Opera catches & FF doesn't...
[08:35] <Madpilot> in Opera the top banner doesn't touch the top or sides of the window
[08:36] <Madpilot> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2F
[08:36] <Madpilot> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.ubuntu.com
[08:37] <mdke> oh, i'll have a look at that, thanks
[08:37] <mdke> i remember you raised it before, but I kinda left it for henrik
[08:38] <Madpilot> yeah. It's not a bug that FF catches, so I'm not surprised it's been ignored :P
[08:38] <mdke> i can't believe you use opera dude
[08:38] <mdke> shocking stuff
[08:39] <Madpilot> FF feels crippled in it's default install - I'd have to spend a couple of days installing plugins - some of which might not work - to get FF to do everything Opera does right out of the box...
[08:40] <mdke> i like epiphany
[08:40] <mdke> Madpilot, the css validates, which of those html validation problems is the cause, do you know?
[08:40] <Madpilot> not sure, I haven't looked thru the entire validation report
[08:41] <Madpilot> Epiphany has some nice features - I like how it handles bookmarks
[08:41] <mdke> the only thing i miss from firefox is the rss feed bookmark things
[08:43] <Madpilot> mdke: in the css file for both pages, add "padding:0" to the body tag as well as margin:0 - that should solve the Opera issue
[08:43] <mdke> ok
[08:44] <Madpilot> it's not exactly a bug, but opera & FF make different basic assumptions about padding/margins by default
[08:44] <mdke> i can't see anything wrong with the html
[08:44] <mdke> he's used these php files
[08:45] <mdke> Madpilot, ok i did padding:0 for doc.u.c, see if it helps?
[08:45] <Madpilot> yes, that's got it
[08:46] <mdke> good
[08:46] <mdke> thanks v much
[08:46] <Madpilot> I always start w/ padding:0;margin:0 in body, so I forget that different browsers have different defaults...
[08:46] <mdke> i can't really be bothered with the html validation errors now... 
[08:47] <Madpilot> most of them are pretty minor, and don't seem to be affecting display at all
[08:47] <mdke> if you want to play around, I can give you a login, otherwise, I'm happy to have solved the css thing
[08:47] <Madpilot> the "<link rel="icon" type="image/png...." tag shouldn't end in a / though - this is HTML, not XHTML
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[08:48] <Madpilot> maybe later, I don't really have time right now - I should be doing other stuff aside from IRC right at this minute :P
[08:48] <mdke> hehe, ok thanks again
[08:48] <Madpilot> no, just end it with a plain >
[08:48] <Madpilot> like the stylesheet link right above it
[08:49] <Madpilot> I'm pretty sure that that stray / is the cause of the 1st & 2nd HTML validation errors
[10:32] <LaserJock> hi bshumate 
[11:15] <mdke> LaserJock, saw your question about the extra files in desktopguide, they are normal
[11:15] <mdke> they're used for generation of the links database
[11:16] <LaserJock> oh, so when I build html?
[11:17] <mdke> yes, i believe so
[11:17] <LaserJock> geeze mdke your going to get them mad at me ;-)
[11:17] <mdke> nah
[11:17] <mdke> anything with a "?" in svn means that you've added it but its not under version control
[11:18] <LaserJock> yeah, I got that far I just wondered where they came from
[11:18] <LaserJock> but if a file is deleted from the svn repo it is deleted from my local copy unless I have modified it, correct?
[11:19] <mdke> if you do "svn up"
[11:19] <mdke> dunno what happens if you've modified it
[11:19] <LaserJock> well, it doesn't get rid of my local changes to the packaging guide
[11:20] <mdke> ah good
[11:20] <mdke> want me to commit anything on that?
[11:20] <LaserJock> umm, not quite yet
[11:21] <LaserJock> I wanted to get close to what is already there, I just integrated an example that theCore
[11:21] <LaserJock> and if I add some stuff, I think I will be ready to commit when I get commit access :-)
[11:24] <LaserJock> mdke: I think some people have used the current doc.ubuntu.com packaging guide so I don't want to get rid of that until I have something that at least approaches replacing it. Does that make sense?
[11:40] <mdke> LaserJock, sure, sorry for late reply
[11:41] <LaserJock> ok, np