[12:04] <mdke> haha jdub is the new \sh on planet
[12:16] <lexhider> Is there anyway to view all the bugs I'm subscribed to in malone?
[12:17] <LaserJock> lexhider: yeah, go to your launchpad page
[12:18] <lexhider> https://launchpad.net/people/lex-hider/ ???
[12:19] <LaserJock> lexhider: on the right side bar there is a link to "Bugs" and on that page there is a link to "Bugs Subscribed"
[12:19] <j^> https://launchpad.net/people/lex-hider/+subscribedbugs
[12:19] <LaserJock> yeah, ^^ too ;-)
[12:20] <lexhider> LaserJock, thanks, that's exactly what I was after.
[12:20] <LaserJock> lexhider: np
[12:28] <lexhider> can someone with the appropriate privileges close:
[12:28] <lexhider> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/12793
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12793: "lib (Ubuntu) - Trying to play RealAudio makes totem freeze" Fix req. for: xine-lib (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Sebastien Bacher, Status: Confirmed
[12:29] <lexhider> actually, I think I may have privileges after all, since I didn't commit any fixes, do I close "fix committed" or "fix released"?
[12:31] <LaserJock> lexhider: I believe "Fix Released" will close it
[12:31] <lexhider> LaserJock, what does "fix released" mean?
[12:34] <LaserJock> lexhider: means a package that fixed the bug has been uploaded/released, at least that is my interpretation of it
[12:35] <lexhider> does making the status of a bug "rejected" close the bug?
[12:36] <LaserJock> lexhider: I believe so, yes
[12:44] <lexhider> should an ubuntu bug that then opens an upstream bug be marked as confirmed?
[01:15] <psusi> lexhider, no, it should be marked as upstream
[01:22] <lexhider> now I'm confused. check out: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server/+bug/12430/+editstatus
[01:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 12430: "data-server (Ubuntu) - evolution weather calendars only for US" Fix req. for: evolution-data-server (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Sebastien Bacher, Status: Unconfirmed
[01:22] <lexhider> status is "unconfirmed", but then has status=UPSTREAM
[01:23] <psusi> I don't know if I will ever get used to malone
[01:23] <psusi> I certainly wish the UI wasn't so foofy
[01:24] <psusi> and looking at that bug, malone itself is broken... the "milestone" and "remote bug details" drop down lists are extending over top of the * overview * bugs menu to the right
[01:25] <psusi> it seems that malone does not have a status=upstream as a choice
[01:25] <Burgundavia> psusi, I think you are supposed to link the upstream bug tracker to a bug in malone
[01:27] <lexhider> It is misleading to see your bug is unconfirmed when it is really upstream. To me unconfirmed means that no one has looked at it.
[01:27] <psusi> Burgundavia, you need to mark the bug in malone as upstream and link it to the upstream bug
[01:28] <Burgundavia> psusi, no, idea
[01:28] <psusi> lexhider, aye, "In progress" sounds like a closer match
[01:29] <psusi> I seriously can not stand malone though... god damnit... 
[01:30] <psusi> where are MY bugs?
[01:30] <psusi> can't search by reporter, wtf?
[01:32] <lexhider> need to go to your version of this page: https://launchpad.net/people/lex-hider/+reportedbugs
[01:33] <psusi> ahh, I knew I had done that somehow before... WTF is there not a link to that on the normal bugs page?
[01:34] <psusi> I'm going to have an anuerism trying to use malone instead of bugzilla
[01:36] <psusi> Mithrandir, what is the current upstream status on that e2fsprogs header issue?  last I heard you had notified upstream... 
[01:46] <psusi> anyone ever used gdb to debug a multithreaded app?  I've got a problem debugging a crashing 7zip where the process terminates out from under gdb after it catches the SIGSEGV
[02:18] <psusi> what's the deal with klibc?  should things that go in the initramfs be using it or not?
[02:56] <zul> how do you close a bug in launchpad?
[02:58] <zul> oh...never mind
[03:54] <zakame> hi devs :0
[03:54] <zakame> :)
[04:48] <psusi> what is the deal with klibc?  should things in the initramfs use it or the normal libc?
[05:08] <psusi> hrm... I updated a bug on malone, and it looks like it tried to send an email to ubuntu-bugs and the message bounced back to me saying it's a members only list
[05:48] <fabbione> psusi: i am not sure why you reassigned the dmraid bug to me, but i am going in holidays right now. nobody will look at it for the next week or more
[05:48] <fabbione> it was assigned to adconrad for a reason :)
[05:48] <fabbione> bye
[05:49] <psusi> fuck
[05:49] <psusi> adconrad said he had no idea why it was assigned to him... heh
[06:49] <\sh> infinity / lamont-away: can one of you please have a look on gnotime 2.2.2-1 (which was a sync from debian, which compiles without any hassle in my pbuilder, but it's failing because of dependencies since the sync on the buildd)
[08:38] <lexhider> is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/13214 a firefox or gnome-session bug?
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 13214: "firefox (Ubuntu) - Mozilla-firefox complains that gnome-session can not remember it's settings" Fix req. for: firefox mozilla-firefox (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Ian Jackson, Status: Unconfirmed
[08:45] <sivang> morning all
[08:52] <\sh> elmo: please sync g-wrap from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok
[09:11] <lexhider> robitaille, regarding bug #13214, how did you assign the upstream bug to the correct mozilla bug, that's what I wanted to do, I just couldn't see how to do it.
[09:12] <robitaille> lexhider,  I added a bug watch first.  Then did the assignment.    I'm also learning all that stuff :)
[09:13] <lexhider> ok, how do I add a bug watch ?
[09:14] <robitaille> right-hand side, in the "remote bug watches" box.  Click "add"
[09:16] <pef> hello
[09:17] <lexhider> robitaille, if a bug is upstream, should it be marked confirmed or "in progress" instead of unconfirmed?
[09:18] <robitaille> I think it could be confirmed, since we are all experiencing it.  Reading from that mozilla bug report, I wouldn't say that's it is "in progress", it ssems to be a very quiet bug
[09:21] <\sh> elmo: please sync ncbi-tools6 from unstable, dropping ubuntu patches, thx
[10:17] <infinity> elmo: sync wvdial from unstable, please, overwrite okay.
[11:22] <Lathiat> Has anyoen else had problems with LVM and dapper?
[11:22] <Lathiat> it didnt work for me (failed to boot) and a mate just told me the same thing
[11:22] <pef_aw> Lathiat: what's the problem ? (I use lvm)
[11:22] <Lathiat> pef: they dont come up on boot
[11:23] <Lathiat> and so it doesnt work as my root was on lvm
[11:23] <pef> Lathiat: when did you got this problem ? since a recent upgrade or since first install ?
[11:23] <Lathiat> upgrade
[11:23] <Lathiat> from working breezy
[11:23] <Lathiat> in both cases
[11:24] <pef> Lathiat: on a fresh install of Dapper all is fine, maybe the upgrade miss something ?
[11:24] <pef> I have / on lvm
[11:27] <pef> Lathiat: are you using characters like - in your volumes /logical volumes ? 
[11:28] <Lathiat> nope
[11:28] <Lathiat> just 'root'
[11:28] <Lathiat> Ubuntu-root
[11:28] <Lathiat> (standard install option)
[11:29] <pef> Lathiat: have you more precise errors messages ?
[11:29] <Lathiat> the volume group doesnt initialize, e.g. /dev/mapper is empty, no error other than cant find root device
[11:29] <Lathiat> works fine again if i say, boot the breezy livecd
[11:32] <lexhider> anyone know what malone classifies as an "untriaged" bug?
[11:44] <siretart> who is listmaster for ubuntu-bugs?
[11:47] <ogra_ibook> siretart, jdub
[11:47] <siretart> seems to be mdz
[11:48] <ogra_ibook> he's working on the filter afaik
[11:48] <siretart> ok,
[11:48] <siretart> then I don't need to bug them
[11:54] <vurdak> good morning to all
[12:03] <pef> which part of ubuntu generates /etc/fstab ? base-installer ?
[12:21] <tenco> hi
[12:21] <tenco> i have a problem with dapper kernel 2.6.15
[12:22] <Ubugtu> Linux kernel bug 2: "NUMA-Q hangs during TSC initialization on boot." Product: Platform Specific/Hardware, Component: i386, Severity: normal, Assigned to: mbligh@mbligh.org, Status: CLOSED, Resolution: CODE_FIX http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2
[12:22] <tenco> while powernow-k7 support works in breezy with kernel 2.6.12 it does not with 2.6.15 in dapper
[12:22] <Ubugtu> Linux kernel bug 2: "NUMA-Q hangs during TSC initialization on boot." Product: Platform Specific/Hardware, Component: i386, Severity: normal, Assigned to: mbligh@mbligh.org, Status: CLOSED, Resolution: CODE_FIX http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2
[12:25] <tenco> how do i make a kernel package with an vanilla kernel, so i can check if this bug originates from kernel changes or is a bug in the ubuntu package?
[12:27] <tenco> *sigh*
[12:28] <ogra_ibook> Seveas, !
[12:28] <ogra_ibook> Seveas, whats the bugbot doing there ? 
[12:29] <Mez> jdub, ping
[12:29] <tenco> ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageDetailedHowto?highlight=%28package%29%7C%28kernel%29
[12:29] <Mez> actually - it's what time there?
[12:29] <tenco> bye
[12:30] <Mez> is it still just jdub who runs planet?
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Mez, yep
[12:30] <Mez> darn :)
[12:30] <Mez> I need him to remove me from there
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Mez, jdub is +13 I believe
[12:30] <Mez> so 2am :D
[12:31] <mdke_> Mez, planet is broken at the moment and people can't be added/removed
[12:31] <Mez> mdke_, hmmm
[12:31] <mdke_> hopefully it will be fixed soon
[12:32] <mdke> jdub is working on it
[12:32] <Mez> see thats a problem - my server has dissapeared in the night :D
[12:32] <Mez> lol
[12:32] <mdke> why a problem?
[12:32] <Mez> cause well - it means i have to move host and stuff
[12:32] <Mez> and have lost ym blog and stuff
[12:33] <Mez> and URL will be changing anyoo
[12:33] <mdke> shouldn't be an issue for planet i don't think
[12:42] <Seveas> ogra_ibook, keybuk asked for it
[12:42] <Seveas> so complaints can go to him (I warned hem that people in here had some objections)
[12:43] <mdke> Seveas, it is responding to things which aren't bugs
[12:43] <mdke>  [11:21:59]  < tenco> i have a problem with dapper kernel 2.6.15
[12:43] <mdke>  [11:22:02]  < Ubugtu> Linux kernel bug 2: "NUMA-Q hangs during TSC initialization on boot." Product: Platform Specific/Hardware, Component: i386, Severity: 
[12:43] <mdke>           normal, Assigned to: mbligh@mbligh.org, Status: CLOSED, Resolution: CODE_FIX http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Error: Unknown bugtracker
[12:43] <Seveas> mdke, actually 'kernel' is a defined bugtracker
[12:44] <Seveas> s/is/was until a few seconds ago/
[12:44] <ogra_ibook> Seveas, thanks ... 
[12:45] <ogra_ibook> Seveas, i can live with the bot, but that behavior seemed a bit wrong ;)
[12:46] <Seveas> it was correct, but quite annoying, so I removed all bugtrackers that could be followed by version numbers, like 'kernel 2.6' or 'gcc 4'
[12:49] <mdke> hi infinity, any progress on ubuntu-docs?
[02:22] <Tm_T> err, what happened to locale settings
[02:24] <Tm_T> dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't give any setting dialogs anymore and locale.gen file isn't used anymore at all?
[03:03] <triceratops> Is there a chance to have trafficwatch as a Dapper deb? It might be very interesting for small office environments, schools, and for me af course. :-)
[03:04] <siretart> triceratops: did you already package it?
[03:04] <triceratops> siretart: Hhhm, I know this question will come up. :-)) No, never did a package. 
[03:05] <siretart> triceratops: I'd suggest that you file a support request in launchpad then
[03:06] <ulaas> TrafficWatch is packaged as a Debian package, so Debian sarge/sid users can add the APT source:
[03:06] <ulaas> deb http://software.trinity.unimelb.edu.au/trafficwatch/source/ ./
[03:06] <triceratops> siretart: There is a deb, but it depends on python2.4-biggles which is uninstallable in Dapper due to dependencies on libplot2 but Dapper offers libplot2c2
[03:06] <ulaas> maybe this helps no?
[03:06] <ogra> ulaas, that doesnt help ubuntu users
[03:06] <ogra> unless you want to build the package yourself
[03:07] <triceratops> siretart: I  file a support request in launchpad
[03:07] <ogra> (assuming there is a source package in the repo)
[03:07] <triceratops> siretart: s/I/I will/
[03:07] <ulaas> ogra, some sid/sarge debs are spoosed to work. right?
[03:07] <siretart> ulaas: not necessarily
[03:08] <ulaas> yeah sure, but trial and error does not kill eh?
[03:08] <siretart> ulaas: our libraries are compiled with gcc-4.0, sarge with gcc-3.3. C++ apps are likley to break
[03:08] <triceratops> siretart: But I'm not sure should I request trafficwatch or python2.4-biggles?
[03:09] <Tm_T> uh, so no idea with my locale issue?
[03:09] <siretart> triceratops: we already have python2.4-biggles. if it does not work, then a bug should be rather filed
[03:10] <Tm_T> all was fine until I upgraded locales today
[03:11] <triceratops> siretart: Thats what I wanted to know... :-)
[03:12] <siretart> triceratops: I think its best when you assign it to MOTU
[03:12] <ogra> ulaas, additionally to what siretart said, we'll have most likely differing dependencys 
[03:13] <triceratops> siretart: python2.4-biggles isn't registered in lanchpad yet... *?*
[03:13] <siretart> ulaas: whats even worse: debian and ubuntu share packages with the same name and version, but different contents including different dependencies. tools like apt are known to break in this case
[03:13] <ulaas> ogra, it seems that way. yeah. i just wanted to tell that i had luck installing some debian debs without pain in the past.
[03:14] <siretart> ulaas: so it could work in simple cases, but are likley to break horribly in general
[03:14] <ulaas> siretart, sure. agreed.
[03:15] <triceratops> siretart: What exactly do you want me to do, "I think its best when you assign it to MOTU"?
[03:18] <siretart> triceratops: assign it to 'universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com'. thats the contact address for MOTUs in launchpad
[03:18] <siretart> triceratops: that way it will show up on my tickets list
[03:21] <triceratops> siretart: Ok, I will do so... Thanks a lot
[03:26] <triceratops> siretart: Done...
[03:28] <siretart> https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+tickets is empty :(
[03:29] <triceratops> siretart:  Bug #28611 in python-biggles, assigned to MOTU
[03:31] <siretart> ah, you filed a bug, not a support request. I see
[03:31] <triceratops> siretart: Should I do a support request?
[03:32] <siretart> err, wtf? can anyone access https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-biggles/+bug/28611
[03:32] <Ubugtu> Error: I cannot access this bug.
[03:32] <siretart> same here
[03:37] <triceratops> siretart: Hhhm, URL works for me... *?*
[03:37] <siretart> I get a  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[03:37] <Lathiat> it makes me login
[03:38] <Lathiat> yeh, asme
[03:39] <triceratops> siretart: Uuups, might be I made a hook on 'keep private' while filling the bug. Any idea how to make it public again? I don't see this option in the moment...
[03:39] <siretart> triceratops: aha. well, I think on the right side, there should be means to change bug status and so on
[03:41] <triceratops> siretart: found the right place, 'Bug Secrecy'. Hard to find, adding a checkbox whithin the listed bug properties might be a better place...
[03:47] <sivang> siretart: I can see it
[03:47] <siretart> sivang: now its okay :)
[03:47] <ulaas> does anyone knows the main difference between opendarwin and appledarwin? i did not seem to find a doc about it
[03:48] <pkern> What kind of initramfs brokeness do you expect? I just did a dist-upgrade to dapper, tried to run lilo which failed because of dm brokeness, then installed grub which seemingly does not work with lvm-on-root. It complains about the sudden end of compressed data (I guess the initramfs is meant), then about root being on invalid 0,0.
[03:49] <ssam_> ulaas, i know opendarwin is short of a few drivers (eg broadcom)
[03:49] <ulaas> ssam_, hmm. is that all?
[03:50] <Tm_T> this is interesting... i reinstalled locales 5 times nad now it works again, finding corner where to shame ->
[03:50] <pkern> ulaas: OpenDarwin merges all changes to Apple's Darwin (which is the master copy) into itself. They lack proprietary drivers and Apple's GUI.
[03:50] <pkern> ulaas: So you get the kernel and some userspace stuff, just like Apple's Darwin; but without any of which is commonly known as OS X.
[03:51] <sivang> phee, python is sweet. I just turned a class from eating a string as parameter, to a list of strings, which made it in about 2 extremly small one line changes, 100% more useful. neat.
[03:51] <pkern> ulaas: It's just that they package it as something which could be independently installed from OS X, and provide support for it.
[03:51] <pkern> ulaas: pm ;)
[03:56] <pkern> So either the initramfs is broken... or well... I should try to give the kernel major und minor, probably.
[04:06] <pkern> Hm. 2.6.15-k7's kernel is 1,4M, its initrd 2,0M; 2.6.12-10-k7's initrd was 6M
[04:08] <pkern> So if gunzip isn't expected to fail with initramfs images, it is indeed broken.
[04:14] <siretart> pkern: initramfs creates cpio archives
[04:15] <pkern> siretart: Ew, yes. But gunzip -c shouldn't fail anyway? file says it's gzip compressed.
[04:16] <pkern> Interessting.
[04:16] <pkern> After a remove/purge cycle it has 6,3M
[04:16] <pkern> So I got to reboot. Perhaps it does work now, but I still doubt that the kernel will recognize 254,3
[04:16] <pkern> |:
[04:27] <siretart> elmo: could you please have a look why we don't have crafty from unstable in universe yet? last upload to debian was dec, 8, 05
[04:34] <mdke> the css on packages.u.c is screwed too, like planet, does someone need to be bugged about this?
[04:37] <mdke> i guess they were relying on the old plone css, which disappeared when the new site came in
[04:57] <Seveas> mdke, Frank Lichtenheld is responsible for that page
[04:59] <jdub> elmo, Znarl: any time you want to switch to humboldt for planet is good.
[05:02] <irvin> Seveas, is Frank available on freenode?
[05:02] <irvin> i sent him an e-mail weeks ago about something else, no reply yet :(
[05:06] <siretart> elmo: please sync dosage from unstable, ok to override ubuntu changes!
[05:08] <slomo_> elmo: please sync gazpacho,pygame from unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped... and please delete the gtk-sharp2-unstable source package as it was renamed to gtk-sharp2 some time ago and will only confuse users
[05:09] <Seveas> irvin, no idea
[05:23] <siretart> elmo: please sync teleport from unstable, ok to override ubuntu changes
[05:45] <siretart> elmo: please sync cyphesis-cpp from unstable, ok to override ubuntu changes
[06:08] <Seveas> elmo/znarl, around?
[06:18] <Riddell> ogra: I might be able to build CDs
[06:19] <ogra> ohoel, could you trigger a edubuntu install build ? 
[06:19] <ogra> s/ohoel/oh
[06:19] <dholbach> If you kick your tabkey all the time, it's no wonder it does stuff like that.
[06:21] <ogra> lol
[06:21] <Riddell> ogra: started
[06:21] <ogra> thanks :)
[06:21] <ohoel> ogra: gnome.org forced a nickchange.. blame them! :)
[06:22] <ogra> nah, i should just stop hitting tab instead of the comma ...
[06:22] <giskard> hello dholbach :)
[06:22] <siretart> tab key is empty? ;)
[06:22] <dholbach> hey giskard :)
[06:23] <dholbach> hi siretart :)
[06:23] <ogra> siretart, nope, i just looked at their locations... 
[06:23] <siretart> huhu dholbach 
[06:33] <mdke> anyone else getting connection refused when trying to apt-get update? all my computers are getting it
[06:37] <siretart> mdke: I switched to an alternative mirror
[06:37] <Seveas> mdke, yes a.u.c is down it seems
[06:38] <Seveas> or at least apache at that machine
[06:40] <mdke> siretart, us works?
[06:40] <BenC> anyone know how to use malone to find all bugs targeted for linux-source-2.6.15 in pending upload state?
[06:40] <dholbach> BenC: search for the source package name sort by status, maybe?
[06:40] <BenC> nope
[06:41] <BenC> linux-source-2.6.15 isn't a product
[06:42] <dholbach> search for the source package on https://launchpad.net/malone/distros/ubuntu
[06:42] <dholbach> it seems that you can't sort statuses :/
[06:43] <BenC> it only shows 56 bugs
[06:43] <xhaker> BenC: did you take a look at the dothan centrino.c "bug"
[06:43] <BenC> and I knownot yet
[06:43] <ogra_> Riddell, damned, seems gcj is still building on ppc, so the ppc build failed ...
[06:44] <BenC> this really sucks, I can't figure out a way to close bugs I marked as pending upload in bugzilla
[06:44] <dholbach> BenC: you better ask on #launchpad
[06:44] <Riddell> ogra_: let me know when you want me to run it again
[06:44] <dholbach> BenC: maybe they know a clever way to figure it out
[06:44] <ogra_> Riddell, thanks ... will take a while i guess ...
[06:45] <Riddell> BenC: do you know if the problem with powerpc live CDs got sorted?
[06:45] <dexem> BenC, bugzilla is still open to search for old bugs... maybe that's enough for you (but you won't be able to close them :( )
[06:45] <BenC> Riddell: should be, yaboot got synced to debian version, and dropped my patches
[06:46] <ogra_> but there is no new livefs yet
[06:46] <ogra_> someone (infinity or Kamion) needs to build it
[06:47] <siretart> BenC: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs-advanced?field.searchtext=linux-source-2.6.15&search=Search&orderby=-priority%2C-severity&field.assignee=&field.unassigned.used=&field.include_dupes.used=&field.statusexplanation=&advanced=1&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.status-empty-marker=1&field.severity-empty-marker=1&field.attachmenttype-empty-marker=1
[06:48] <siretart> BenC: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs-advanced and enter your search query
[06:48] <siretart> mdke: de. works. I don't know about us.
[06:48] <BenC> siretart: how do you get to that without a hard link?
[06:48] <mdke> siretart, even better
[06:48] <BenC> siretart: did I miss something in the interface?
[06:49] <siretart> BenC: I just used this form: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs-advanced
[06:49] <BenC> but how did you navigate to that advanced search page?
[06:49] <BenC> because I didn't see it
[06:50] <siretart> BenC: on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs, there is on the right side a link called 'advanced search'
[06:50] <BenC> ah, ok
[06:50] <BenC> thanks
[06:50] <siretart> BenC: I complained about more advanced searching in malone before, and was given the notice, that there IS an advanced query page, but not on each package itself, but only on the distro bug page
[06:51] <siretart> I find it quite confusing, too, but *shrug*
[06:51] <BenC> it should be more available
[06:51] <zenwhen> hello
[06:51] <BenC> shouldn't have to search for the advanced search page
[06:51] <siretart> yeah
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3122: "elmo crashes on startup" Fix req. for: elmo (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/3122
[06:52] <zenwhen> who made the decision to make xchat-gnome the default IRC client in dapper
[06:53] <BenC> zenwhen: pretty surf it wasn't a who, but more of a group agreement
[06:53] <BenC> s/surf/sure/
[06:53] <sivang> siretart: heh
[06:53] <ogra> (not from my side though)
[06:53] <mdke> i read here that mdz approved it
[06:53] <zenwhen> oh
[06:54] <zenwhen> I suppose I just wanted to voice my opnion that it was a really badmove to make such an unfinished and optionless IRC client default in such a polished distro as Ubuntu.
[06:54] <BenC> really?
[06:55] <BenC> I use it, and it seems to be perfect for my needs
[06:56] <ogra> my biggest concern is that the userlist is stuck on the left side... and the topic handling sucks, but the latter is obviously being worked on upstream
[06:57] <BenC> certainly doesn't make it unfinished and optionless
[06:57] <ogra> nope
[06:57] <zenwhen> you cant even turn off the intentation line
[06:57] <LaserJock> yeah, I tried xchat-gnome out and was really frustrated with its lack of options and the userlist thing so I went back to xchat
[06:57] <ogra> its much more integrated with the desktop
[06:57] <zenwhen> indentation*
[06:57] <mdke> is this another options debate?
[06:57] <zenwhen> Well, I suppose in a way it is. 
[06:57] <ogra> mdke, its sunday ...
[06:58] <zenwhen> I cant picture myself ever using this and most of the people I have talked to hate it.
[06:58] <mdke> best time for one :)
[06:58] <zenwhen> I am trying to find the deb for 0.8
[06:58] <zenwhen> to make sure it hasnt actually improved
[06:59] <BenC> day to day use, I don't think xchat gnome is all that bad
[06:59] <dholbach> zenwhen: it's in dapper
[06:59] <BenC> most people don't want dozens of options they'll never use
[07:00] <BenC> most people want simple defaults with power options as an add-on
[07:00] <psusi> I'm using xchat... works fine for me
[07:00] <psusi> and if xchat weren't there I'd be using chatzilla in firefox
[07:03] <zenwhen> I suppose as long as Xchat is still packged, I shouldnt worry about it. I am just afraid it will make new users think "wow I miss mIRC"
[07:03] <Amaranth> ?
[07:03] <psusi> bitchx >>>> mirc ;)
[07:03] <zenwhen> speaking of xchat-gnome
[07:03] <Amaranth> colloquy > xchat-gnome > *
[07:04] <zenwhen> Most users are coming from windows and mIRC if they used irc before.
[07:04] <psusi> the one thing that annoys me about xchat is I can't find a keyboard shortcut to tab between channels
[07:04] <zenwhen> Xchat is much more similar, and offers pretty much the same set of options.
[07:05] <Amaranth> zenwhen: that's the problem
[07:05] <Amaranth> zenwhen: why give them the same thing when something better is available?
[07:05] <zenwhen> But this tree view of channels that becomes cluttered with the user list is even less navigable.
[07:05] <psusi> Amaranth, because they are used to it and so that's what they expect
[07:05] <zenwhen> It isnt better.
[07:06] <LaserJock> One of the problems I had with xchat-gnome is I couldn't figure out how to set highlight words
[07:06] <zenwhen> That window is a cluster****.
[07:06] <psusi> 
[07:06] <Amaranth> here or desktop
[07:06] <zenwhen> Well if the devs are making the package choices for all of the users, then it certainly is a discussuion for the devs to take seriously.
[07:07] <psusi> here's a devel question: how do I get my specs reviewed?  I'm trying to get support for hardware fakeraid into dapper... been working on it since just before breezy was released
[07:08] <sivang> boy, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8149 is interesting.
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 8149: "automatically produce debuginfo packages (like RPM does)" Product: Ubuntu, Component: debhelper, Severity: enhancement, Assigned to: jbailey@ubuntu.com, Status: NEW
[07:10] <Amaranth> i like the colloquy interface better, xchat-gnome is just the closest i can get to it on linux
[07:10] <Amaranth> but i was using xchat-gnome first... :P
[07:10] <psusi> anyone feel like critiquing?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidSpec
[07:12] <ogra> Riddell, ready to go ...
[07:17] <LaserJock> doh, my xchat-gnome doesn't have highlighting comment was totally wrong, I actually like the way it does it
[07:21] <psusi> oh shit
[07:21] <psusi> can you rename a spec on launchpad?
[07:22] <psusi> I fat fingered it
[07:31] <desrt> uh.
[07:31] <ogra> eh ?#
[07:32] <psusi> oooo
[07:32] <desrt> modifying bugs in launchpad is causing me to receive bounce emails from mailing lists:     Post by non-member to a members-only list
[07:32] <psusi> desrt, yep... me too
[07:32] <ogra> oh, still ? 
[07:32] <dholbach> hey seb128 !
[07:32] <zul> same here last night
[07:32] <seb128> hi dholbach
[07:32] <desrt> desktop-bugs and ubuntu-bugs
[07:32] <ogra> zul, but it shoudl be fixed ...
[07:32] <desrt> a few minutes ago
[07:32] <zul> havent tried it this morning though
[07:32] <seb128> desrt: known issue, seems that mailman sucks ... jdub has made some changed for that but seems that's not the correct stuff
[07:33] <ogra> for me it worked since this morning
[07:33] <ogra> strange
[07:33] <seb128> desrt: there is already one
[07:34] <seb128> desrt: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/3003
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3003: "comment on a motu bug and get a moderation mail?" Fix req. for: malone (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Bjrn Tillenius, Status: Confirmed
[07:34] <desrt> bah.  beat me to the punch :)
[07:35] <dholbach> lamont-away, infinity: could somebody of you please give back gnome-terminal once more?
[07:35] <seb128> desrt: BTW did the "add bookmark" from nautilus works for you? I was going to comment that on the bug this morning but I noticed it has issues on my box
[07:36] <desrt> seb128; that's an inotify bug
[07:36] <desrt> seb128; er.. inotify says it's a panel bug?
[07:36] <desrt> seb128; either way it's in gnome's bugzilla
[07:36] <seb128> it doesn't crash my box
[07:36] <desrt> seb128; it just fails to update the menu, right?
[07:36] <desrt> seb128; if you restart the panel (or even just the applet) the panel will be updated
[07:36] <seb128> no, I've read that bug
[07:36] <seb128> in that case it fails to update .gtk-bookmarks at all
[07:37] <desrt> oh.
[07:37] <desrt> i don't know about that one.  local directory?
[07:37] <desrt> die libegg, die
[07:38] <seb128> yeah, local directory
[07:38] <seb128> and works fine from the fileselector
[07:38] <ogra> Riddell, did you get my ping ? 
[07:38] <desrt> lemme check
[07:38] <desrt> works great for me.
[07:39] <desrt> "please provide a stack trace of the exact moment at which the program doesn't modify the bookmarks file"
[07:48] <Riddell> ogra: hi
[07:49] <ogra> Riddell, could you trigger another build ? 
[07:49] <Riddell> ogra: building
[07:49] <ogra> thanks :)
[07:49] <Coyctecm> Hi. will dappers gnome be brown by default?
[07:55] <Seveas> Coyctecm, most likely
[07:57] <Coyctecm> that's not good i think... I have heard many users to say that they dont use ubuntu because it is brown :( of course it easy to change defaults but first impression seems to mean lot
[07:58] <Coyctecm> don't*
[07:58] <Coyctecm> bad english :(
[08:00] <Seveas> Coyctecm, no matter which color is chosen, there'll always be people who complain about it
[08:04] <ulaas> thats great to hear "color" is now left as the only complain about ubuntu. good job lads..
[08:05] <Coyctecm> yes that's true, in my opinion, i like brown :)
[08:07] <ogra> Riddell, thanks so much, i finally have some isos to test ...
[08:08] <Riddell> ogra: awooga :)
[08:09] <ogra> even if i have no idea why http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html shows so much amd64 crap ... but Kamion will tell me tomorrow if i dont find out :)
[08:11] <dholbach> brb
[08:17] <glick> hi
[08:17] <glick> excuse me no one in #ubuntu can help me so i thought maybe the developers could
[08:17] <glick> all of a sudden when i plug in a firewire drive, i no longer have permission to write to it.  why is this?
[08:18] <ogra> glick, please see the channel topic
[08:18] <desrt> glick; if you think this is a bug then you should file a bug about it
[08:19] <glick> ok
[08:19] <desrt> i'd message you to discuss it but freenode is violating the IRC RFC in a way that prevents me from doing so.
[08:20] <dholbach> there is at least one kino bug about it
[08:20] <desrt> you lose.  sorry :)
[08:20] <dholbach> and a recent ubuntu-users@ post
[08:20] <desrt> dholbach; the kino bug is about accessing the raw 1394 devices
[08:20] <ogra> i guess the group rights are wrong ...
[08:20] <dholbach> ah ok
[08:20] <desrt> firewire/usb storage devices should get perm 660 group plugdev
[08:20] <desrt> (and they certainly do here)
[08:21] <glick> it worked till i installed kubuntu desktop
[08:21] <desrt> glick; do you mean that you can't write to the raw device (/dev/sda...) or can't write to the filesystem (/media/whatever...)?
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> desrt: you can message if you register.
[08:22] <desrt> HiddenWolf; i do not want to register
[08:22] <glick> desrt, i cant write to /media/ieee1394disk
[08:22] <psusi> desrt, what do you mean it's violating the rfc?
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> desrt: then you cannot message. :)
[08:22] <desrt> HiddenWolf; indeed i cannot.
[08:22] <HiddenWolf> policy decision
[08:22] <desrt> glick; but you can see your files?
[08:22] <psusi> ohh... you should be registered ;)
[08:22] <glick> yes i can see the files
[08:23] <desrt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/GetOffFreenodeSpec
[08:23] <desrt> glick; it sounds like however kde's equiv of g-v-m works is not doing the right thing (ie: calling pmount as your user).
[08:24] <desrt> glick; you're really not in an appropriate forum for this.  there are about a hundred better places you could ask :)
[08:24] <glick> desrt, right, but now it does the same thing in gnome
[08:24] <glick> ok
[08:26] <glick> desrt, like where?
[08:29] <ulaas> i have x standard mouse icons in dapper. is it so . or it is me?
[08:30] <desrt> ulaas; you could always use the mouse preferences dialog to get the ubuntu ones back.....
[08:31] <desrt> glick; kubuntu, kde help channels, ...
[08:31] <ulaas> desrt, merci monsieur.
[08:31] <Riddell> glick: we have #kubuntu-devel where I'd be happy to listen to your issue but probably quite unable to help since I don't have any firewire stuff
[08:31] <sivang> desrt: hmm, nice spec
[08:32] <desrt> sivang; i say!  i wonder why it has not yet been implemented
[08:32] <jordi> doko: ping
[08:32] <sivang> desrt: yes, we should contact mpool and ask him :)
[08:54] <wasabi> Somebody really needs to lay a foot down and decide on how network interfaces should be managed. I am so tired of ppp overwriting my resolv.conf.
[08:59] <desrt> good time to reboot, i suspect.
[09:00] <desrt> woh.  neat new logout dialog
[09:00] <ogra> its a bit evil in its pop under behavior ;)#
[09:00] <ogra> you have to search it if you have many windows open 
[09:02] <desrt> eh.  it's young, yet :)
[09:03] <ogra> sure, i didnt complain
[09:03] <ogra> :)
[09:07] <dholbach> have a nice evening.
[09:08] <desrt> cheerio, homes.
[09:08] <dholbach> Yoohoo. :)
[09:10] <slomo_> elmo: please sync fatsort from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped
[09:50] <teroedni> hello
[09:51] <teroedni> Why was xchat repced by gnome-xchat?
[09:51] <azeem> the latter is more gnomeish I guess
[09:51] <teroedni> thats the only reason?
[09:52] <azeem> isn't it a good reason?
[09:52] <teroedni> you think it is?
[09:52] <Kamion> ogra: that's a tell-tale sign that you overfilled the amd64 CD. take some stuff out of it
[09:52] <azeem> I don't use xchat, so I can't compare them
[09:53] <azeem> teroedni: but AFAIK xchat upstream was rejected patches for further GNOME integration, so it got forked to xchat-gnome
[09:53] <ogra> Kamion, thanks 
[09:53] <ds> xchat-gnome is a better application, but xchat is more useful for long-time irc users
[09:53] <Kamion> dunno how I lost the patch, I must have merged against an older version - whoops
[09:55] <ssam> Kamion, when will the powerpc live cd be downloadable?
[09:55] <teroedni> hmm:/
[09:55] <Kamion> ssam: are we there yet?
[09:55] <Kamion> :)
[09:55] <teroedni> i surely hopes you will let xchat reside in main atleast
[09:56] <teroedni> so i dont have to tun on universe just to be able to download it in the future
[09:56] <teroedni> turn
[09:56] <ssam> :-), sorry, been waiting a few days
[09:57] <Kamion> ssam: yes, I've been on vacation
[09:57] <Kamion> well, "weekend"
[09:57] <sivang> (a,b,c....) = "" explodes, seems you need to provide an ampty "","",.... tuple fir the rvalue
[09:58] <ssam> sivang, a = 1; b = 2
[09:58] <doko> jordi: pong
[09:59] <ssam> sivang, or a = b = c = ""
[09:59] <sivang> ssam: that's the one I wanted :)
[10:01] <Kamion> ssam: righto, try what's there now?
[10:05] <BenC> Kamion: no problem
[10:05] <ssam> Kamion, thank you
[10:06] <Kamion> grr, that pygtk thing mentioned on -devel means I have to rebuild all the install CDs too
[10:15] <ogra_ibook> meh, my line broke in the middle of a bzr push
[10:15] <ogra_ibook> bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.LockError: File '.bzr/branch-lock' already locked
[10:15] <ogra_ibook> does anybody know if i can just remove the lock ? 
[10:27] <jordi> doko: gotta go now, but we're having trouble building alsa-lib
[10:27] <jordi> ../configure: line 20520: src/pcm/pcm_symbols_list.c: No such file or directory
[10:27] <doko> jordi: point me to the package please, so I can have a look
[10:27] <jordi> hmm, it's in svn. Does that work, or do you want a .dsc/diff?
[10:27] <doko> dsc/diff would be nice
[10:28] <jordi> doko: people.debian.org/~jordi/
[10:28] <jordi> I really need to run now
[10:28] <jordi> laters
[10:29] <jordi> doko: I suspect there's some srcdir != builddir issue
[10:29] <jordi> but haven't had time to investigate
[10:29] <jordi> doko: pcm_symbols_list.c is a generated file
[10:29] <jordi> I wonder how it builds in ubuntu, the diff has nothing interesting that would fix it
[11:00] <doko> jordi: yes, missing $srcdir prefix, this check seems to be new, I cannot find it in 1.0.10
[11:26] <glick> hello all
[11:27] <glick> i think there is a bug in the latest pmount
[11:27] <Kamion> Riddell: building you a new Kubuntu powerpc live CD, btw
[11:27] <Kamion> Riddell: how did testing go of the rest of it?
[11:28] <seb128> glick: hi, feel free to open a bug on malone about it :)
[11:28] <glick> whats malone?
[11:28] <glick> ive never filed a bug report before
[11:28] <ogra> our bugtracker on launchpad.net
[11:28] <glick> and im not sure if it is a bug
[11:30] <seb128> describe it
[11:33] <glick> you want me to describe it in here?
[11:33] <desrt> glick; didn't you already do that earlier? :)
[11:33] <glick> no
[11:35] <glick> .join #ubuntu
[11:40] <glick> desrt: when you mount removable storage device shouldnt pmount be the program trying to mount it?
[11:44] <seb128> glick: from nautilus? yep
[11:44] <ogra> glick, only if its mounted automatically or you explicitly use the pmount command ...
[11:44] <ogra> or from nautilus :)
[11:45] <glick> for some reason the mount program is trying to mount them and i get errors about mount not being able to find the device in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:46] <glick> the exact error is a pop up that says...mount: cant find /dev/sdb5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:49] <glick> so i dont know if thats a bug or a config probleml
[11:50] <Riddell> Kamion: the rest were all fine
[11:50] <Riddell> Kamion: so we keep the rest from friday and I should test out this new live CDs?
[11:54] <Kamion> Riddell: yeah, it's available for download now
[11:56] <glick> so is that a bug you all think?