=== garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] LaserJock: I am thinking about moving all comments from Requests to the Comments section, what do you think? [12:16] lfittl: well, I don't know. I haven't quite figured out what the Comments section is for [12:17] LaserJock: It is for additional packaging information to speed up the packaging process [12:19] lfittl: but why wouldn't that be in the comments in the Requests section? [12:22] lfittl: but we really need to get UniverseCandidates off the wiki I think, that would make it much simpler [12:23] LaserJock: that would be the best thing, I simply wanted to make it easier to find software that could be packaged before UVF === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] lfittl: well, I think you definately made it better looking [12:24] :) === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p1119-ipbf510marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] Anyone know when this "E Gnome" thing got added to the GDM (I didn't do it) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GreaseMonkey [n=Chris@128.153.197.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD950B646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evan_d [n=evan_d@72.20.218.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] ooo I love upstreams who email me patches :D === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-182-205.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] Kyral: even better, I like upstream that I can sit down & have a beer with [02:00] lol [02:01] I cannot drink yet :P === Kyral goes to apply the patch and upload to REVU [02:01] yeah, you can do anything but drink.. === Kyral blinks [02:02] vote, enlist in the army, drive.. but not drink even a light beer ;#0 === ajmitch thinks putty has some encoding issues [02:03] lol [02:04] but in a week or so I should be sitting down with the main upstream developer of 1 of my packages for a beer [02:06] nice [02:09] Is it normal for Python based programs to be called Debian Native? [02:09] oh wait I saw what happened... [02:10] I patched the source with the diff that upstream gave me [02:10] and the orig.tgz is off === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral gives himself a lession with uscan [02:17] I forgot I set a watchfile for this one X_X [02:28] yah...lintain is complaing about the no orig.. === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Kyral: so are you using uscan? [02:45] LaserJock: Yah I was, but I rememebered that a split second after I did dpkg-buildpackage :P [02:46] I don't quite understand what it is used for [02:48] Uscan? [02:49] yeah [02:50] It checks (using debian/watch) for new upstream versions, downloads them, patches them, etc [02:51] ok, I guess I can see where that might be useful, I would probably just screw my computer up with it ;-) [02:51] lol [02:53] I'm trying to start using bzr/svn so I can recover when I screw up [02:55] lol [02:56] I just setup an Apt Repo for my Linux lab's Build for our custom packages [02:56] with the ability to upload with dput :D [03:03] Kyral: cool [03:03] Now if I could only get it setup to build source packages... === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] hey slomo_ [03:05] it is 3 am in germany [03:05] nice try === Kyral blinks [03:05] his client is rejoining probably [03:06] oh he lives in Germany? [03:06] yes. [03:06] cool, didn't know that :P [03:10] Maybe he just needed a late night Ubuntu snack ;-) [03:10] lol [03:11] ya know, some of us have to have Ubuntu IVs to keep going [03:11] why is it that revu denies access to all .changes files? [03:12] Actually I was wondering that myself... === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] yeah, the .changes are -rw------- [03:16] why is this? [03:17] you'd probably have to ask siretart or sistpoty [03:18] I really don't know, would there be any reason for it? [03:19] there is [03:19] if a MOTU uploaded a signed changes to revu [03:19] anyone could ftp it to ubuntu ftp-master and get it in [03:19] when it wasnt meant to be uploaded yet [03:19] tseng: oh, thanks === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] the only thing the ftp master checks is that the .changes is signed? [03:20] it doesn't need a username/password or something? [03:20] psusi: signed by a key in its keyright [03:20] keyring [03:20] hrm.... [03:20] ie, a MOTU [03:20] well that kind of sucks... I want to see what they changed ;) [03:20] see the debdiff.. [03:20] ahhh [03:21] .changes is just some md5 and a changelog [03:21] not a diff [03:21] is there a way to make bash's history behave sanely? i.e. when i scroll up 8 commands and execute it again, next I want to hit down and get the command after that, and so on [03:22] er [03:22] psusi: thats not sanely imho :) [03:22] yeah [03:22] Lathiat++ [03:22] how is anything else remotely sane? [03:22] the whole reason for scrolling back is to rexecute commands [03:22] back = up [03:22] down = forward [03:22] usually you want to do several... and you don't want to have to keep hitting up n-1 times [03:22] you cant get commands from the future [03:22] psusi: ^R helps :) [03:23] or mapping to PgUp in inputrc... [03:23] Lathiat, to find the first command sure, but when I already know I want the next dozen after that as well? [03:23] which is way less suck than ^R === psusi is used to ^R from emacs [03:23] mapping to pageup? [03:23] psusi: type history get hem all and paste? [03:23] # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history [03:23] "\e[5~": history-search-backward [03:23] "\e[6~": history-search-forward [03:24] sudo = backward history search like ^R [03:24] with less wanking === psusi just wishes it would work like 4dos [03:25] what psusi needs probably is Ctrl-O (instead of enter) [03:25] because dos is how i want my command line to act [03:25] does anybody know what a .mo file is" I keep getting "Linda: Unable to find a suitable .mo file!" [03:25] LaserJock: thats bogus afaict [03:25] LaserJock, yes, .mo files containes the translations [03:25] ctrl-0? [03:25] the binary counterpart of .po files [03:25] minghua: translations of what? [03:26] LaserJock: strings [03:26] LaserJock: in the program to other languages.. [03:26] no, ctrl-Oh, not ctrl-zero [03:26] LaserJock: it's caused by the install on the revu server [03:26] AHA! [03:26] ctrl-O is exactly what I want, thank you! [03:26] ok thanks, I just wondered if I was doing something wrong [03:26] thank god that was driving me nuts [03:26] I was even looking whether I could do a workaround to get rid of it :) [03:27] sladen: it does it on my local box, too [03:27] psusi, minghua: hey cool [03:27] sladen: me too [03:28] but why would it be a problem for me to not have a .mo ? [03:32] other than being not very internationally friendly [03:35] my sweetest friend... everyone I know, goes away, in the end.... if you could have it all.... my empire of dirt.... I will let you down... I will make you hurt. === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-76-86.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] anybody know of a way to get a list of bug #s for a particular source package from Malone in an automatic way? === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] oh LJ [03:53] take a look at this [03:53] http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=401 === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] hi MOTUs :) [03:55] hey zakame [03:55] Kyral: and it's not in Debian? [03:55] hi zakame [03:55] LaserJock: A URL of the form https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/packagename/+bugs [03:55] heya Kyral and LaserJock :) [03:55] LaserJock: I don't know, the package search is down right now [03:56] persia: yeah, but I am looking for a way to get a list of the bug #s automatically so I can link to all the bugs of a package individually [03:56] Kyral: apt-cache or madison-lite [03:57] LaserJock: that would....damn I almost forgot about chroots :P [03:58] Kyral: I don't see anything [03:58] in Debian? [03:58] yea [03:58] cool [03:58] I'll get on it soon [04:00] Kyral: what about FlowDesigner ? [04:01] LaserJock: eh...I still gotta fix the LIBSOName problem [04:03] Kyral: also make sure to check Debian for ITPs or RFPs before diving in [04:03] LaserJock: oh === persia [n=persia@p1119-ipbf510marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:08] Kyral: I found 3 ITPs for apps I put on MOTUScience, none for flowdesigner though [04:09] ah [04:09] anything for GAMGI? [04:10] no [04:10] hi! What package is gtk.dsextras in now? I have the pygtk dev packages installed (gnome, gtk, and glib) but can't seem to find dsextras. tnx [04:13] python-gnome-extras? just a wild guess [04:15] Kyral: so your going to go for gamgi then? [04:15] yah [04:16] k, I'll add it to MOTUScience [04:16] minghua, nope. dsextras used to be in the pygtk devel packages. It was used to build extensions like the trayicon when p.g.e wasn't still around. tnx anyway [04:17] is the BSD license ok for Debian/Ubuntu? [04:17] LaserJock: It's perfectly fine. [04:17] womble: ok, thanks [04:18] As long as it's the current BSD, and the ol' 4 clause === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] yep [04:33] wonder if it's to do with Ubuntu striping langpacks [04:33] if I build linda then the .mo's are there for English === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] hm, the `can't find a suitable .mo file' thang? [04:36] you need language-pack-en-base installed [04:36] and it's actually in /usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_MESSAGES/linda.mo [04:36] so is it that linda can't find a .mo for itself? [04:37] that's needed for REVU too :) [04:38] yes. [04:38] sladen: I have language-pack-en-base installed but I still get the linda message === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] def find(domain): [04:39] localedir = '/usr/share/locale' [04:39] it's hard-coded... wonder who we can make it inteligent [04:39] StevenK: ping [04:40] (but I think he's prolly out) === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] anyone have a sata hardware fakeraid and feel like testing the dmraid support package for it up on revu? ;) === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] did flight3 come out yet? [05:17] psusi, monday === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp08396303pcs.cnclrk01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] great... I'll have to test... do a clean install of flight3 and hopefully be able to apt-get install dmraid and have that all work out automagically too === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@n219077165180.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] what the recommended practice regarding updating maintainer: and changed-by: ? [05:29] when reving a Debian package? [05:30] hm I don't understand... can you elaborate? :) [05:30] iirc updating those are in debian/control (for maintainer) and debian/changelog (for changed-by) [05:34] if you are updating a package maintained by someone at debian, should you become the maintainer in the ubuntu version? [05:34] I think that's what he meant... I've been wondering that too [05:34] I wouldn't think so [05:35] maintainer doesn't mean much in Ubuntu, for Universe anyway [05:36] ping azeem [05:36] psusi: nope [05:37] psusi: basically, what we do here is what Debian calls as NMU (non-maintainer upload) [05:37] except, of course, for NEW packages in REVU [05:39] Kyral: azeem is in Germany I believe, you probably won't get a reply for a while [05:39] lol okay [05:42] ah, psusi, sladen, are you concerned with what's going on at the n4lp thread at d-devel? [05:42] just got around to reading it [05:49] no idea what you're talking about... what's d-devel? === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] psusi: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, most likely [05:55] psusi, not to be confused with d-d-l *grint* [05:56] ahh... no, I'm not on the debian lists [05:56] what's n4lp? [05:57] heya \sh [05:57] <\sh> hmm... [05:57] <\sh> I just had a look on lucas' unimultiverse list [05:58] <\sh> and I wonder why I don't find python-profiler on a dapper system [05:58] psusi: need for launchpad, (perhaps) highest-grossing thread for january [05:58] <\sh> because I wrote it wrong..it's too early in the morning [05:58] I don't like it so far [05:59] er who does? [06:01] lol [06:04] <\sh> zakame: to be honest, the thread is now totally crap [06:05] \sh: heh, it was well before you got into it ;) [06:05] <\sh> zakame: ;) no it wasn't [06:06] <\sh> actually, it was a "ready to die" thread, when the initiator wrote "launchpad" [06:06] \sh: well yeah, the OP had a point, but it quickly... yeah, die [06:07] he should have said launchpad/alioth integration then ;P === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] <\sh> zakame: he should have said nothing, at least not on d-d [06:21] hehe, indeed [06:22] <\sh> zakame: and you shouldn't have press "r" for reply :) they will hunt you down :) [06:26] any universe-bugs@l.u.c admins here? I am starting to get "non-subscriber's mail waiting for moderation" mails recently [06:27] for those wondering. It's probably: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00349.html [06:28] <\sh> minghua: that belongs to launchpad and the main switch [06:28] minghua: it's because launchpad is spamming it [06:29] yea... email sent to the bugs list by malone is bouncing [06:29] \sh: eh? [06:29] \sh, sladen: I see. Is there anyway I can get my address whitelisted? [06:29] <\sh> minghua: it's not your address :) [06:29] Hmm... [06:29] <\sh> or actually it's your address :) [06:30] <\sh> somehow...ask on #launchpad for me and lpbugs it's working :) [06:30] <\sh> minghua: think more ubuntu-bugs@ problem [06:31] bbl :) === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@pcd427226.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] I think it is my address (it's the about the comment for the qt-immodule bugs yesterday), I'll ask on #launchpad [06:32] I changed a bug in malone earlier and got a bounced email from ubuntu-bugs that was sent by malone [06:33] says I'm not a subscriber [06:34] <\sh> psusi: did you subscribe to this mailing list? [06:34] of course not [06:35] psusi: with the subject "Your message to ubuntu-bugs awaits moderator approval" [06:35] ? [06:35] minghua, yes [06:35] yeah, then we are talking about the same problem [06:36] <\sh> subscribe to the mailing list and see if this changes :) === No1Viking [i=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] okay, this seems to be two problems: [06:38] 1. my mail didn't go to universe-bugs@ although the bug is assigned to MOTU [06:38] 2. malone send bugs to ubuntu-bugs@ but the list doesn't want it [06:39] shouldn't have to subscribe... malone should be allowed to post to the list... and since I did not originate the message, it certainly should not bounce back to me [06:39] \sh: that's not an option, I don't want that address spammed by bug mails [06:39] I am perhaps going to change my main address on launchpad [06:40] <\sh> minghua: the latter is a better plan :) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-125-87.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:42] where do you report bugs in malone itself? === psusi bonks Yagisan === Yagisan ouch [06:45] psusi: what's up ? [06:46] Yagisan, you ever build the defragger? ;) === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] <\sh> psusi: launchpad malone product malone i think [06:47] ahh... heh [06:48] so what's a guy got to do to get upload rights for universe? ;) [06:49] psusi: I saw that your changes to e2fsprogs had issues with ia64 ?? was waiting for an update on it [06:49] psusi: cc meeting + sexual favours :-P [06:49] Yagisan, Yea... still not heard any updates from Mithrandir about upstream fixing it [06:50] <\sh> psusi: become a member [06:50] also... I'm not sure why, but defrag now works on ext3 ;) [06:50] \sh, what's that entail? [06:50] <\sh> psusi: for that you have to document your work for ubuntu (in general) on your personal wiki page on w.u.c [06:50] Yagisan, I was going to reverse the patch that made it refuse to work on ext3... but I never did, and as far as I can tell, it still should refuse to operate on ext3... but it doesn't... works fine on it too... [06:51] <\sh> psusi: after some contributions which are documented you propose yourself as ubuntu member and go straight to the CommunityCouncil...there will be a decision if you become a member or not. [06:52] <\sh> psusi: after that, you will do more work for MOTU, and propose yourself as ubuntu-dev ... after a couple of weeks and finding motus who will speak up for you, you go to the TechnicalBoard...the TB decides if your contributions to MOTU and ubuntu are good and worthy, and they will give you your upload rights to universe [06:52] \sh, I see.... so what should I do before then? so far I've fixed/improved a few packages and uploaded to revu [06:52] psusi: well the ext3 journal is just a regular file when mounted as ext2 [06:53] Yagisan, actually I believe it doesn't show up... it's a reserved inode number... defrag treats it as bad clusters [06:53] <\sh> psusi: first you go the ubuntu member way..and for that, document everything you did for ubuntu (documentation, packages, fixes , bug triage etc.) on your wiki page :) [06:54] \sh: so, you think I'd get member status by now then (assume I write down what I do) ? [06:54] ok... so I should start a wiki page... [06:55] how about specs? I've written a spec or two... how do I get them looked at? [06:55] <\sh> Yagisan: well..what I think is irrelevant, I can give my statement that I'm happy with you and that your contribution is worth it, to welcome you as member, but the final decision is made by the Community Council [06:55] <\sh> psusi: are they in launchpad? [06:56] \sh, yes... [06:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PacketCD is registered in launchpad [06:56] I need to take https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto and convert it into a spec too [06:56] \sh: thanks, you answered my question perfectly. [06:58] <\sh> Yagisan: the decision is finally made by several points: 1. the CC will see, that your contributions are a continous afford...2. are they worth for Ubuntu 3. are other members, who know you, worked with you, happy with you :) [06:58] Ubuntu bug 3: "doc-debian: copyright status of some documents unclear" Product: Ubuntu, Component: doc-debian, Severity: normal, Assigned to: debzilla@ubuntu.com, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: NOTWARTY http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3 [06:59] <\sh> Ubugtu: your parser is broken :) [07:01] <\sh> Yagisan: if everything is positiv to be answered, the CC will say "welcome on board" or if not, they decide, work more on your contributions, eventually with on of the other people, or, and this can happen every time for every decision: Sabdfl stands up and vetos all decisions by CC or TB and what he decides after his veto, that'll be it :) [07:02] \sh, so what else can I do besides registering it on malone to get my spec noticed? [07:02] <\sh> Yagisan: and the most important part is: You signed the CoC. Without that, you can forget all steps :) [07:03] <\sh> psusi: what about request feedback? [07:05] request feedback? === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@pcd427226.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:06] \sh: I have more qt-immodule fun/pain for you ;-) bug #28590 [07:06] Malone bug 28590: "x11-free (Ubuntu) - qtconfig can't start in GNOME with XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM" and scim running" Fix req. for: qt-x11-free (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/28590 [07:07] <\sh> minghua: can you strace qtconfig on gnome? [07:08] <\sh> psusi: when you go to the lp page of spec there is a link request feedback... [07:08] \sh: sure [07:08] <\sh> psusi: i honestly don't know what this link is doing, but it's worth a try [07:08] rofl [07:10] <\sh> psusi: you asked :) [07:10] \sh: strace posted [07:11] \sh: thanks. I actually have signed the CoC, so that's the first step done. [07:12] <\sh> write(2, "Failed to create XIM input conte"..., 36Failed to create XIM input context! [07:12] <\sh> ) = 36 [07:12] <\sh> hmm..could it be, that this is byting with the gnome xim support? [07:14] \sh: I don't really know [07:14] that's why I proposed to try dropping said patch [07:14] for comparison, I mean [07:14] <\sh> well..what happens if you set the qtconfig settings in kde....and then change to gnome and start any qt / kde application? [07:15] \sh: which setting? [07:15] \sh: with the same environment most KDE apps plainly crash [07:15] if that's what you want to know [07:15] <\sh> minghua: yes :) [07:15] silly wiki... it doesn't know Aspiring is a word [07:16] and it isn't linkifying "PacketCD" for some reason... how do you force a reference to another wiki page? === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.255.249] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luk [n=luk@78.13-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] ahh, there we go.. changed its status to pending review [07:25] <\sh> minghua: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/immodule-qt/2004-November/000587.html [07:25] <\sh> minghua: are you sure, scim is running? [07:25] <\sh> minghua: and please try to use skim instead of scim :) [07:26] \sh: yes, I can input Chinese in the same terminal [07:26] \sh: Err... I'm the scim maintainer, you know [07:27] <\sh> okok..I only want to be sure :) [07:27] I'll test skim later [07:28] although 1. I have no experience on skim; 2. 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[07:47] <\sh> minghua: right way is using coditionals :) [07:47] <\sh> conditionals even [07:47] yeah, if I know how to speak make... 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[07:59] <\sh> I have to see what they are... [07:59] <\sh> will have a look later === tritium [n=mfrimbe@71-213-137-73.albq.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] I've just looked, some things seem to be nice to have [07:59] for example: [08:00] * Move all .desktop files from /usr/share/applnk to /usr/share/applications, and ensure that they have Categories set. This cleanup also fixes the Qt3 Assistant menu entry, which should now appear next to other Qt3 tools in the menu. (Closes: #335465) [08:00] but I understand this is low priority [08:01] <\sh> minghua: I'll check later...right now I'm trying to fix something else... [08:01] \sh: sure === pietrus_ [n=pietro@dsl027-180-124.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-168-237.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] hello [09:20] hey pef [09:20] pef: 'sup? [09:22] sivang: tracking bugs and trying to get better support for my brand new T43 laptop :) [09:22] sivang: and you ? [09:22] pef: ohh, I had one like that that I returned for a dead pixel chronic problem, but everything was supported there out of the box :) [09:22] it's sweet having Ubuntu on this baby [09:23] pef: I'm trying to get soem more work done on my spec, pitying I do not have time to work on some merges.. [09:23] sivang: everything working ? I have problem with suspend to disk and bluetooth/wifi toggle button [09:25] pef: eh, almost then - I didn't use the bluetooth, but wifi worked hassle free [09:25] pef: and I played with the switch button, didn't seem to have any troubles. [09:26] (it did have 6 dead pixels though, so I returned it) [09:26] sivang: under Dapper ? [09:26] arg, bad luck [09:27] pef: breezy [09:28] sivang: yeah, nearly all is working on Breezy, but on Dapper several things are broken [09:32] sivang: it looks like some wireless drivers drop /sys/class/net/xx/wireless entry [09:32] in dapper kernel === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === josesanch [n=jose@227.Red-213-96-192.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] hello [10:17] I uploaded a package to revu, but don't appears in http://revu.tauware.de/ === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-189.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] morning [10:34] josesanch: because your key wasn't it the revu keyring [10:34] josesanch: I added your key and reprocessed your upload [10:34] ahh.. 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[03:58] slomo_: that was my next question/suggestion: you are going to answer him on the xine-lib split, yes? [03:59] ogra: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly has the mad plugin [03:59] ah, because its not searchable anymore by apt-cache ... [03:59] siretart: yes... that's what i planned to do next :) [03:59] hm i guess we should add all included plugins in the description... [04:00] <\sh> moins# [04:00] hi \sh :) [04:01] <\sh> moins slomo [04:02] <\sh> oh well...d-d is better then the local newspaper reporting about the war in whereever [04:03] <\sh> I should unsubscribe [04:03] huhu \sh [04:04] \sh: I like gmail for mailing lists like d-d ;) [04:06] <\sh> oh well...12h disconnect [04:06] <\sh> siretart: tell me, do we have x11forwarding enabled on tiber? [04:07] <\sh> ogra: the ssh -X problem occured as well on tiber...it refuses to set the $DISPLAY env === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-109-48.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] strange, i have no problems anywhere [04:08] <\sh> ogra: hmmm [04:08] \sh: >> grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config [04:08] X11Forwarding yes [04:09] <\sh> siretart: ok..you are running dapper with latest updates? if so, please ssh -X to tiber and check if the $DISPLAY is set :) [04:09] <\sh> siretart: because I have problems since yesterday or so. [04:10] hm, isn't set for me [04:10] <\sh> hmmmm.. [04:11] <\sh> i can't have a $DISPLAY set when I ssh -X from my laptop to the amd64 build box..neither it's set on tiber when I ssh -X there [04:11] siretart, thats not enough ... [04:11] <\sh> but form dapper to hoary it works :) [04:12] <\sh> I just ssh -X to my hoary box...no problem [04:12] siretart, grep AddressFamily /etc/ssh/sshd_config [04:12] <\sh> and it worked before [04:12] \sh: I just installed the package 'xauth' on tiber, should work now [04:12] AddressFamily inet [04:13] \sh: what do you want to do with X11 forwarding on tiber? [04:13] siretart: jep, works :) [04:13] sshd has a bug that doesnt release the DISPLAY variable if ipv6 is enabled ... [04:13] <\sh> siretart: ok...works now... [04:13] <\sh> ogra: I enabled AddressFamily inet [04:13] \sh, on tiber ??? [04:13] <\sh> ogra: on the dapper amd64 box [04:13] ogra: I never encountered that bug, and use ipv6 on a regular basis. do you have a bugno handy? [04:14] <\sh> ogra: no..tiber works now [04:14] siretart, not here, wait, i'll dig for it ... its a longstanding bug since breezy development began [04:14] <\sh> ogra: http://www.bitreactor.to/download.php?id=58716 [04:14] <\sh> umhf [04:14] <\sh> hehe. [04:14] <\sh> *shame* [04:15] <\sh> AddressFamily inet [04:15] \sh, whats that ? [04:15] <\sh> ogra: nothing...wrong pastbuffer [04:15] (i wont start a download now) [04:15] ah [04:15] \sh: I find d-d interesting. The more I read it, the less comfortable I feel running debian on commercial systems. I'm sure I will be asked questions tomorrow from some customers why they received email regarding lesbians on the list I said would advise them of important changes. [04:16] \sh: what do you want to do with x11 on tiber? [04:17] <\sh> siretart: nothing...I have problems on my amd64 server [04:17] <\sh> siretart: ssh -X doesn't work anymore [04:17] <\sh> well it worked the day before yesterday still.. [04:17] siretart, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/25528 [04:17] Malone bug 25528: "server (Ubuntu) - X11 forwarding via ssh not releasing ports in timely manner with IPv4 and IPv6 enabled" Fix req. for: openssh openssh-server (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Colin Watson, Status: Needs Info [04:17] siretart, sorry, wasnt DISPLAY... [04:18] but doesnt work either without the option ... [04:19] <\sh> looks like I have to reboot the machine somehow [04:19] <\sh> this is not normal [04:19] ogra: interesting. thanks for pointer === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] if you have an idea, feel free to follow up on the bug... [04:20] it would be odd if we had to release a ipv4 limited sshd in dapper [04:21] ogra: new upstream doesn't fix it ? [04:21] not to my knowledge [04:23] <\sh> siretart: btw...the debian/ dir inside a package, is it under a separate license then the upstream source, or could be under a separate license? [04:25] \sh: the debian/ is under the same license as the software itself, unless otherwise stated in debian/copyright [04:25] <\sh> siretart: ok..and where can I find the copyright holder of the debian/ dir? [04:25] \sh: but I'd strongly recommend to stay with the original licence [04:25] \sh: in debian/copyright [04:25] if not I'd consider it as bug [04:27] <\sh> ok...so there is normally no rational to have the Maintainer field filled in with the debian maintainer === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] \sh: I don't think so. [04:29] \sh: careful - don't play into the trolls hands on d-d by changing the maintainer [04:29] \sh: but if you want to change the maintainer field, it should not be in the source package, but in the appearance of the corresponding tools. this should be rather fixed in our infrastructure than in the source package === greenpenguin13 [n=greenpen@user-6909.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] <\sh> k..so it could be possible during syncs to change the maintainer field of the source package on the fly [04:30] \sh: If they can add a sed script, it should be [04:30] <\sh> minghua: can you come to kubuntu-devel? [04:30] \sh: I think it would be better to adapt the output of 'apt-cache' and co [04:31] \sh: e.g. I would not want my packages to be mangled! [04:33] <\sh> siretart: yes I know, and I don't want to change the Maintainer field in the source...I'm only searching for a rational not to do it :) [04:34] <\sh> siretart: neither in source nor in any other file :) [04:34] \sh: the rationale up to now was because some DDs could be pissed off because of it === stratus [n=stratus@200.216.19.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] \sh: mdz tried to start a discussion about it but nobody cared. [04:35] <\sh> siretart: well..the majority don't rant and flame about it..it's only a small ammount of people [04:37] siretart: after watching the stunts pulled in d-d, and the fact that very few dd's have vocally disagreed (thereby implicitly agreeing), personally I think they can get stuffed, but that's just my opinion as a user [04:38] siretart: actually the fact that d-d-a can be so easily abused makes me wonder about if the rest of their infrastructure can be abused [04:38] \sh, changing the Maintainer field is pointless because we dont use it anywhere in ubuntu ... [04:38] very simple argument ... [04:39] <\sh> ogra: we all know that :) [04:40] you were looking for arguments [04:40] ogra: very true, but it doesn't seem to be understood, does it. [04:41] explain them the "who touched it last is responsible" policy we have ... [04:41] then they'll understand why we dont need it [04:41] <\sh> ogra: this argument is technical, so it can't solve the social aspect of "I'm the maintainer, and if someone is changing my package, I don't want to be responsible anymore for this" === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] he isnt ... [04:42] ubuntu bugs get filed in the ubuntu bugtracker that should prevent him being esponsible [04:42] <\sh> ogra: in their eyes, he is still responsible, because his name and email address is written in the maintainer field [04:42] ogra: they don't (want to) understand. people seem to be trying that already. actually, I wonder if the ones complaining would pass the current n-m process [04:43] ogra: we still don't have an easy means to answer the question 'who touched the package Y last?' [04:43] ogra: grepping through 'dapper-changes@lists..' is NOT easy [04:43] changelogs.ubuntu.com [04:43] <\sh> ogra: if the bug reporter is using reportbugs patched by ubuntu :) [04:43] well, there are always clueless users that will pester them about the ubuntu packages, so they have a point there === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl51B69E71.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] hi people [04:44] <\sh> minghua: no...if the user are not able to use reportbugs or read manuals, how are they able to apt-cache showsrc package? [04:44] <\sh> the whole discussion makes no sense, only technical people who are familiar with debian are looking on the maintainer field. others don't. [04:45] \sh: I have no idea. I receive emails begin with "I see you are listed as the maintainer of this ubuntu package, so..." myself [04:45] minghua: most debian-derived distros use their debs unchanged - it's no different - except canonical didn't hire the people complaining it seems. maybe that's the real problem ... [04:45] <\sh> minghua: which is sometimes not bad... [04:46] I am not really annoyed by this, I just tell them I am not responsable, but I can see why someone don't want to see such mails [04:46] \sh: well, if you remember the outcry about scim not working in breezy in ubuntu-devel, you can imagine such mails are not really friendly [04:47] minghua: I understand, it's an annoyance, but is it any worse if eg it is a mepis, nextena?? kantonix user etc ? [04:47] <\sh> minghua: well...my solution is "delete"...if someone is not polite and rational, I can refuse to read his mail :) [04:48] granted it's a small portion of users, but I rarely receive encouraging mails when the package works, either [04:48] \sh: I thought everyone has asuffield in their kill file ;) [04:49] Yagisan: I don't know how they customize their packages, but no, I've never received mails from their users [04:49] minghua: the point is they don't. I got emails from them asking about my packages [04:50] probably their users dont debug stuff :) [04:50] maybe they don't have CJK users then, which is quite possible :-) === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] hi there [04:50] <\sh> ogra: what you meant to say is: they don't have a large userbase, is it? ;) [04:50]