[07:30] <ttaulman> i've lost sound on thinck client, server ubuntu 5.10, client's edubuntu/ubuntu 5.10. any ideas?
[08:28] <ttaulman> nfs file shares?
[08:57] <KZ> hi
[08:59] <ttaulman> hi
[09:00] <KZ> i'm interested how will linux affect if i have XP already?
[09:00] <KZ> will it share files, or have it's own
[09:01] <spike> KZ: see the topic, for general support ask in #ubuntu, this channel is dedicted to the server edition
[09:01] <KZ> oh
[09:01] <KZ> sorry
[09:01] <spike> np
[09:03] <ttaulman> i'm losing sound when using ubuntu breezy as server and ubuntu breezy client, ldap authenticate and nfs shares for /home. any ideas?
[09:15] <lionelp> ttaulman: it's a problem of rights on sound devices
[09:16] <lionelp> you have two solutions (i am not realy fond of one of the two solution, but i have not found another one that satisfies me until today)
[09:19] <lionelp> or you add the user of the workstation to the correct groups (audio, video, etc.), or you change the files in /etc/udev.d the rights in order that everybody can write on the devices
[09:19] <lionelp> you will have the sames problem if your users want to use usb keys
[09:53] <ttaulman> lionelp, the user are members of the audio group and they still don't work
[09:54] <lionelp> hum... that's strange
[09:54] <lionelp> the local audio group ?
[09:54] <ttaulman> lionelp, i haven't tried the other option
[09:55] <ttaulman> mot the local audio group because they are only on the server
[09:55] <lionelp> ah...
[09:55] <lionelp> you can add a ldap user to a local group
[09:55] <ttaulman> oh..
[09:56] <lionelp> (ok, that's a bit strange but...)
[09:56] <ttaulman> do i need to?
[09:56] <lionelp> if you don't want, the LDAP audio group and the local MUST have the same gidNumber
[09:57] <ttaulman> wouldn't that mean i would have to add all users that might use the computer to local also to make it work?
[09:57] <lionelp> yes, if you use the first solution, you have to do it
[09:58] <ttaulman> so the second one, change the /etc/udev.d will work?
[09:59] <lionelp> yep
[09:59] <lionelp> you have to change the rights on the /dev/audio/*
[09:59] <ttaulman> ok, what exactly do i change, i'll have to bring it up and look at it, and do i change it on the server or the client?
[10:01] <lionelp> let me have a kick look, i don't know it by heart :)
[10:03] <lionelp> in the file /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions
[10:03] <lionelp> where the group "audio" figures, change the permission from 660 to 666
[10:05] <ttaulman> ok, i see that, client or server?
[10:07] <lionelp> on the client
[10:07] <ttaulman> hold on, don't see that on the client, it just says audio, no permission number like others have
[10:09] <lionelp> it's a breezy on the client ?
[10:10] <ttaulman> yep, only have /etc/udev no permissions.d just a permissions.rules file
[10:11] <lionelp> you're right
[10:11] <lionelp> i look on a computer that have been updated
[10:12] <lionelp> ok, it's int the permissions.rules
[10:13] <ttaulman> that is where i don't see numbers for audio, just says subsystem=sound and group=audio
[10:15] <lionelp> yes, add a MODE="0660" before GROUP="audio"
[10:30] <ttaulman> i'll give it a shot within the next 30 minutes and let you know, thanks
[11:13] <ttaulman> lionelp, got it by using a mode="0666". now why does it take almost 2 minutes to log on?
[11:17] <lionelp> i think that there is no link, but....
[11:28] <Xoritor> how well does ubuntu handle lvm during install?
[11:28] <Xoritor> i want to install but not loose some of my data on my server... ie databases and webdocs
[11:30] <spike> Xoritor: if u're doing an installation how can u lose data? or did I miss something?
[11:31] <Xoritor> spike, i will be installing ubuntu on a server that is running FC4 right now
[11:31] <Xoritor> hence the install part of it
[11:31] <Xoritor> and the loose data part of it
[11:32] <Xoritor> spike, not a "new install" on a bare disk, but a "new install" over a diff distro
[11:32] <Xoritor> on a working server
[11:33] <Xoritor> i guess i should try it on my workstation fist
[11:33] <Xoritor> s/fist/first/
[11:33] <spike> Xoritor: and you have LVM on FC4?
[11:34] <spike> Xoritor: testing is of course given as backups
[11:34] <Xoritor> spike, yes i have lvm on FC4
[11:34] <Xoritor> spike, FC4 defaults to using lvm
[11:34] <spike> in general questions about "losing data" shouldnt happen because u must have backups, tho
[11:34] <Xoritor> spike, i always try to use lvm if possible
[11:35] <spike> I c, don't know FC4, wanted to give it a try, tho
[11:35] <spike> expecially the Directory thingie they put together, looks very interesting
[11:35] <Xoritor> FC4 is not bad, but i want to give ubuntu a shot
[11:35] <Xoritor> its nice
[11:35] <Xoritor> i worked for RH for 3 years
[11:35] <Xoritor> just recently switched jobs
[11:35] <Xoritor> the the directory server should run in ubuntu
[11:36] <Xoritor> there is a tarball of it, sources too
[11:36] <Xoritor> its very nice
[11:36] <Xoritor> i have it running, and it really makes directory management easy
[11:36] <Xoritor> and fast
[11:36] <spike> cool, it's on my todo list, hope to get the time soon
[11:37] <Xoritor> but my question was more along the lines of "does ubnuntu" support lvm during installs?
[11:37] <Xoritor> i have not seen anything saying one way or the other
[11:37] <spike> regarding ubuntu and lvm at install time: I never had a single prob with it, the installer isnt wonderful imho, tho
[11:37] <Xoritor> do i have access to a shell?
[11:38] <Xoritor> if so i can do it all at the cli if the tools are there
[11:38] <spike> yes, but busybox hasnt got lvm tools, so it doesnt really matter
[11:38] <Xoritor> and it is lvm2?
[11:38] <spike> yes, it's lvm2
[11:38] <Xoritor> cool
[11:38] <spike> evms tools are available too
[11:38] <Xoritor> so the lvm command works for the "lvm shell" during install right?
[11:38] <Xoritor> never used evms
[11:39] <Xoritor> much difference?
[11:39] <spike> no, see above "but busybox hasnt got lvm tools<--------, so it doesnt really matter"
[11:39] <spike> differences are in the management tools
[11:40] <Xoritor> i understand about busybox not having them, FC and RHEL use busybox but the shell during install and rescue modes have access to the lvm utility
[11:40] <spike> lvm hasnt got one, official I mean, then things like SLES and RHEL of course have got their own tool
[11:40] <spike> evms offers 3 different interfaces, from GUI to ncurses based
[11:40] <spike> it's really handy
[11:41] <Xoritor> all i need is the cli one
[11:41] <Xoritor> heh
[11:42] <spike> at low level both rely on dm, and have the same set of features
[11:42] <Xoritor> if i can do things like "lvm vgscan" and "lvm vgchange -ay" during the install i will be fine
[11:42] <spike> Xoritor: bah, I might be wrong, check out what's on the cd, but iirc last time I looked at it lvm tools werent there
[11:43] <Xoritor> they have to be there to install it into lvms
[11:43] <spike> with the busybox shipped I mean
[11:43] <Xoritor> can it be installed into an lvm?
[11:43] <spike> sure
[11:43] <Xoritor> then the tools have to be there
[11:44] <Xoritor> if they are not you cant install cause you cant create and activate the volumes