[12:06] <glick> hi is anyone here?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we know how far away we are from flight 3?
[12:27] <\sh> Riddell: any objections when I'm trying to add libvisual and libvisual_plugins to amarok (actually trying to fix the issues with libvisual_plugins?)
[12:28] <\sh> Riddell: (doing this after flight-3 release)
[12:34] <\sh> ok..going back to do some work..
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ok, off to go file a bug...
[02:17] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i heard that we were expecting flight3 this comming week?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> right
[02:18] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought too - was looking for a little more info than that, if it was available
[04:32] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7195
[04:48] <freeflying> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/28659
[12:34] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[12:34] <freeflying> Riddell: have a look at his plz
[12:34] <freeflying> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/28659
[12:44] <Riddell> freeflying: what caused that?
[12:46] <viviersf> Riddell, you here ?
[12:46] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[12:49] <viviersf> how you ?
[12:50] <Riddell> groovy
[12:50] <viviersf> kewl
[12:50] <viviersf> wont you do me a favour
[12:50] <viviersf> and make that
[12:50] <viviersf> kdm requires
[12:50] <freeflying> Riddell: I don't know , yhis happened after fresh install 
[12:50] <viviersf> either kubuntu-default-settings
[12:50] <viviersf> or
[12:50] <viviersf> impi-default-settings
[12:50] <viviersf> to be installed ?
[12:51] <Riddell> viviersf: in dapper I've changed kdm and kubuntu-default-settings so kdm doesn't need kubuntu-default-settings
[12:51] <Riddell> there is a postinall script in kubuntu-default-settings to just set the kdm theme 
[12:51] <freeflying> Riddell: It's seem all right by the way of upgrade from breey 
[12:52] <Riddell> viviersf: for the breezy 3.5 packages I could certainly make it that kdm depends on kubuntu-default-settings | impi-default-settings though
[12:52] <Riddell> however... kubuntu.org has moved to a new machine and I don't have an account on it yet
[12:52] <freeflying> Riddell: But after flight-1 , this will happen after fresh install with daily install cd
[12:52] <viviersf> okay Riddell 
[12:53] <Riddell> viviersf: so what do you think best that I should do?
[12:53] <viviersf> hmmm
[12:53] <viviersf> i dunno
[12:53] <viviersf> but i think you should keep the old thing
[12:54] <viviersf> so it uses your settings
[12:54] <viviersf> or mine
[12:54] <viviersf> else people install kde
[12:54] <viviersf> and say kde + impi/kubuntu is ugly
[12:54] <viviersf> and is rubbish
[12:54] <viviersf> cos they didnt install that packages
[12:55] <Riddell> so I'll recompile the breezy 3.5 package with kubuntu-default-settings | impi-default-settings now, but I don't know when I'll be able to put it on kubuntu.org
[12:57] <Riddell> freeflying: which program causes that?
[12:58] <freeflying> Riddell: I can not log into kde after all
[01:00] <Riddell> freeflying: I don't have a problem like that so I wonder if it's something about your settings
[01:00] <JRe> allee: did it work for you to launch a SWT java application ?
[01:01] <Riddell> freeflying: tried it with moving your .kde directory out of the way?
[01:02] <freeflying> Riddell: sure , I've created a user when I install the system 
[01:02] <freeflying> s/user/new user
[01:02] <Riddell> wonder if it's caused by installing in Chinese then
[01:03] <Riddell> viviersf: you could do that impi-default-settings Provides kubuntu-default-settings
[01:03] <Riddell> that should solve it easily
[01:04] <freeflying> Riddell: But it's will be all right by upgrading from breey
[01:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: what was your problem?  sorry i've come in late...
[01:06] <allee> JRe: I only have a commercial backup tool written in java.  Did not work with gnu java.  Need to try sun java
[01:06] <freeflying> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/28659
[01:07] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:07] <JRe> allee: ok :)
[01:10] <Tonio_> hi all
[01:12] <Tonio_> allee: did you get any response concerning wlassistant ?
[01:16] <allee> Tonio_: quite some activity.  Unfortunately I have trouble with my AP.
[01:17] <Tonio_> allee: AP ?
[01:17] <allee> Tonio_: Access Point
[01:17] <Tonio_> ah ok :)
[01:18] <allee> Tonio_: you can have a look at svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/wlassistant/trunk/debian/
[01:18] <viviersf> Riddell, i was thinking
[01:18] <viviersf> just leave requirement for -default-settings out
[01:19] <viviersf> then it will all be fine
[01:19] <allee> Tonio_: I have to fix a license issue (upstream fixed in on my request in cvs).
[01:20] <Tonio_> allee: I'll have a look ;) I hope the dhclient bug will be resolved
[01:20] <allee> Tonio_: then from pkging side everything is okay. ah, no, rosettafication is also missing
[01:21] <allee> Tonio_: Stan commited a backport of a bug, have not looked what it is for
[01:21] <Tonio_> very nice ;) and does the svn build have the same dhclient issue ?
[01:21] <allee> Tonio_: I wanted to look yesterday into it, but AP refused to work.  So I've no idea.
[01:21] <Tonio_> grmpf.... dependancie issue in dapper........
[01:22] <Tonio_> allee: can you send me the source package maybe ?
[01:22] <Tonio_> I'll recompile it for breezy and make tests....
[01:22] <Tonio_> gpsim-dev: Depends: gpsim (= 0.20.14-7.2) but it is not going to be installed
[01:22] <Tonio_> hum......... need to report that to ubuntu-devel...
[01:22] <allee> Tonio_: wait ...
[01:23] <allee> Tonio_: uh, build fine with pkg state last of friday this weekend
[01:24] <Tonio_> k
[01:38] <freeflying> flight-3 is out ?
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying: almost
[01:58] <Riddell> viviersf: does settings a Provides on impi-default-settings work?
[02:00] <viviersf> Riddell, 
[02:00] <viviersf> i dont know what you saying
[02:01] <Riddell> viviersf: Provides: is a field you can set on a package in debian/control
[02:01] <Riddell> look at emacs21 for example, it has loads of Provides
[02:02] <Riddell> on impi-default-settings you should be able to do Provides: kubuntu-default-settings
[02:02] <Riddell> and kdm will be happy
[02:05] <freeflying> Riddell: Dose flight-3 i386 install cd  use the 2006-01-13's  ?
[02:09] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[02:09] <viviersf> ya Riddell 
[02:09] <viviersf> but what im saying is
[02:09] <viviersf> leave kdm as it is on kde 3.5 currently
[02:09] <viviersf> not needing a default-settings :)
[02:10] <\sh> we should change the theme for kdm :) it's boring now :)
[02:10] <viviersf> tdm
[02:10] <viviersf> The desktop manager
[02:10] <Riddell> kdm on kde 3.5 in dapper doesn't depend on kubuntu-default-settings but it does for kdm in KDE 3.5 packages for breezy
[02:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes, please do!
[02:20] <jjesse> i love it when people respond to messages that are hours apart :)
[02:20] <Tm_T> me too
[02:22] <jjesse> grin not specifically talking about you Hobbsee 
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:23] <viviersf> Riddell, no Riddell 
[02:23] <viviersf> i got kde 3.5 on breezy
[02:23] <Riddell> \sh: I think canonical are getting artwork done professionally for dapper
[02:24] <viviersf> and it doesnt need default settings
[02:24] <\sh> Riddell: cool :)
[02:24] <Riddell> viviersf: hmm, so it doesn't.  so problem solved?
[02:25] <viviersf> yar
[02:25] <viviersf> ;p
[02:26] <Riddell> it's cool how viviersf has a south african accent even on IRC
[02:26] <viviersf> lol
[02:26] <Riddell> Mez: amarok 1.3.8 is dapper, fancy backporting?
[02:26] <viviersf> howz that ?
[02:28] <viviersf> Riddell, ill even speak in a language that you dont understand if you want :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> viviersf: hehe...now that could mean fun communication, with the aid of babelfish
[02:29] <Riddell> ooh, 18th century Dutch :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ooh!  fun!
[02:30] <Riddell> night o
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping me tomorrow about possible flight 3 cd testing
[02:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 
[02:30] <Riddell> 13:26 < Riddell> Mez: amarok 1.3.8 is dapper, fancy backporting?
[02:30] <teprrr> hmm, it's not possible to get zeroconf for kde atm?
[02:30] <Riddell> teprrr: in dapper yes
[02:30] <teprrr> KDE has been built without Zeroconf support. -- that's what it says after I installed kdnssd :P
[02:31] <Riddell> kdnssd is the pacakge
[02:31] <Riddell> hmm
[02:31] <Riddell> teprrr: in dapper?
[02:32] <teprrr> Riddell, in dapper, yes
[02:32] <teprrr> hmm, may be an old kdelibs/kdebase which causes this?
[02:32] <Riddell> possibly, do a dist-upgrade?
[02:33] <Riddell> I get "The Zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running."
[02:33] <Riddell> which means avahi-daemon isn't running
[02:34] <teprrr> hmm, is X broken atm? I've been waiting for some time as someone noted there's a big breakage going on.. or is it after flight3 release?
[02:39] <Riddell> teprrr: flight 3 is about to be released and X is fine in it so you should be safe
[02:40] <freeflying_> Riddell:  as you said , if I change LC_LANG to en_US , everything is ok 
[02:41] <Riddell> freeflying_: hmm, that's quite nasty
[02:41] <Riddell> freeflying_: it's sounding like we may have to remove this immodule patch
[02:42] <teprrr> Riddell, okay. thanks..
[02:42] <freeflying_> Riddell: but this problem has happen to me before this patch been put into 
[02:42] <teprrr> btw, what are the differences between sanekonsole and plain unpatched konsolepart?
[02:43] <Riddell> teprrr: konsole part didn't do everything needed for adept in KDE 3.4
[02:45] <teprrr> Riddell, ok
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question concerning the kdepot patch....
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to package ktechlab, and while it builds correctly without the patch, I have to add an autoconf dep if I apply the patch....
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the configure script is deleted...
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that normal is some packages (depending the "admin" folder version or something ?)
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, I don't think it's normal
[02:56] <Riddell> but autoconf will try and rerun itself if it sees that some files have a new timestamp
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's what happens in fact...
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: what I son't understand is why it is the first time I can see this ;)
[02:57] <freeflying_> Riddell: It's seems a bug of locales
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: in makefine.in there is a directive to remove "configure", and I assume the patch changes the timestamp of some of the tested files
[02:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: that's possible too, they have been chaging a lot.  but very strange
[02:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: it should only touch admin/cvs.sh
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: it does ;), that's why I don't understand ;)
[02:59] <freeflying_> Riddell: yeah, I just read the changelog of locales , and found there are many changes 
[03:00] <Riddell> freeflying_: a problems in gnome?
[03:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: no probelm 
[03:08] <Mez> Riddell: apparently I'm to give you this message
[03:08] <Mez> *kayla glare*
[03:09] <Mez> and that you're evil :D
[03:09] <Mez> lol
[03:10] <Mez> but yes -not really on topic :D
[03:22] <teprrr> hmm, Riddell, got avahi-daemon now running, though zeroconf kioslave doesn't work
[03:25] <teprrr> hmm, looks like I need a package that supports avahi..
[03:25] <Lathiat> teprrr: what avahi packages do you have installed?
[03:26] <teprrr> Lathiat, ahavi-daemon and it's dependencies
[03:26] <Lathiat> teprrr: kdnssd-avahi ?
[03:27] <teprrr> Lathiat, well, yup, just got it from outside of the repos
[03:27] <teprrr> libkdnssd-avahi actually
[03:27] <Lathiat> close enough
[03:28] <teprrr> yup, now the zeroconf doesn't show error.. but should it show anything?
[03:29] <teprrr> ah, avahi-discover doesn't found anything, so maybe that's how it should be
[03:29] <Lathiat> does avahi-discover show anyting?
[03:29] <teprrr> nope, just my own computer
[03:30] <Lathiat> then zeroconf:/ wont show anything
[03:30] <Lathiat> need to advertise a http or ssh service or something
[03:32] <teprrr> hm, how easy is that?
[03:33] <teprrr> oh, kpf can advertise itself, cool :)
[03:34] <teprrr> but I saw something like a possibility to reach ssh servers too, how hard is that?
[03:34] <Riddell> I don't think there's any automatic way to adverise them, you have to do it by hand
[03:35] <teprrr> okay
[03:35] <Riddell> avahi-cli or something contains the command line programs to do that
[03:36] <teprrr> yup
[03:39] <Lathiat> avahi-utils
[03:39] <Lathiat> Riddell, teprrr: you can also use services files
[03:39] <Lathiat> in /etc/avahi/services
[03:39] <Lathiat>  /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon has an example ssh ervice file
[03:39] <teprrr> yes, avahi-utils.. seems to work
[03:40] <Lathiat> avahi-publish test _http._tcp
[03:40] <Lathiat> avahi-publish-service test _http._tcp 80
[03:42] <teprrr> yup, tested with ssh server.. just thinking about having those included in konsole's new session menu as someone wished. but I think it'd need a better coverage to be useful
[03:42] <Riddell> why konsole?
[03:43] <Riddell> it should be run when the ssh server starts 
[03:43] <teprrr> Riddell, someone wished for osx like menu, which would show the servers there
[03:44] <Riddell> not seen that
[03:44] <freeflying_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-cjk-testers
[03:46] <Riddell> freeflying_: nice idea
[03:51] <teprrr> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95349
[03:59] <Riddell> teprrr: seems like a good idea but we still need some way to automatically advertis the ssh services
[04:06] <nlindblad> hi
[04:06] <teprrr> Riddell, yup, that's the problem indeed :p
[04:06] <Riddell> can't be that hard to add it to the ssh init script though
[04:07] <nlindblad> on the mirrors, are the torrent-file using the same tracker no matter what mirror I download it from?
[04:09] <Riddell> yes I think so
[04:09] <Riddell> nlindblad: ^^
[04:09] <nlindblad> okey, good to know *continues seeding*
[06:13] <allee> Tonio_: did you try wlassistant?  Your opinion: If your problem is not fixed, should we try to uplaod nevertheless and try to fix it in next weeks? Or better ignore pkg until dapper++
[06:16] <Tonio_> hum allee I wil do probably toonight or maye tomorow
[06:16] <Tonio_> no time for this actually ;)
[06:17] <allee> Tonio_: okay.  I prepare a deb later and upload to REVU.  What to do with can always be decided until 19th
[06:23] <Tonio_> okay
[06:23] <Tonio_> can you send me your source package by email ?
[07:24] <allee> Tonio_: okay. Right now I'm working on digikam.  Will do wlassistant later
[07:30] <Tonio_> allee: okay ;)
[09:12] <allee> Riddell: is relibtoolization and rosettafication required? (preparing digikam 0.8.1 final deb)
[09:12] <Riddell> allee: it's not required
[09:13] <Riddell> rosettafication is nice though
[09:13] <Riddell> just do whatever it takes to keep libtool happy
[09:13] <allee> Riddell: okay. kdevn libtool is happy ;)
[09:47] <allee> Riddell: fyi: http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff  does not exits (from KubuntuPackagingGuilde)
[09:58] <Riddell> yeah, kubuntu.org moved :(
[09:58] <Riddell> means I can't update the websi for flight 3
[10:01] <jjesse> bummer
[10:03] <allee> Riddell: is: clean:: rm -rf po/ still true or outdated?  digikam has 6 MB there.  The diff size would explode
[10:04] <jjesse> Riddell: do you have a second to join #ubuntu-doc to talk to mkde on the makefile for kubuntu docs?
[10:18] <Riddell> allee: rm -f po/*pot
[10:18] <allee> Riddell: okay. so packaging guide need an update
[10:19] <allee> Riddell: kdepot.diff is still required?  (digikam.pot, it looks like it's updated even without it, checking...)
[10:20] <Riddell> yes and yes
[10:20] <Riddell> allee: it's updated but it won't find /usr/include/kde3/kde.pot which removes  otof common strings from being duplicated
[10:21] <allee> 'k so with kubuntus cdbs and kdepot.diff rosettafication is done
[10:21] <allee> Riddell: okay pot now 96k. I'll rebuild ...
[10:23] <Riddell> groovy
[10:34] <allee> Riddell: uh, still 96k with kdepot.diff
[10:34] <allee> Riddell: I'm also a bit confused why the patch is needed at all, because:
[10:35] <allee> $ unset kdepotpath; includedir="";  kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot; echo $kdepotpath; ls -l $kdepotpath
[10:35] <allee> /usr/include/kde/kde.pot
[10:35] <allee> $ unset kdepotpath; includedir="/foo";  kdepotpath=${includedir:-`kde-config --expandvars --install include`}/kde.pot; echo $kdepotpath; ls -l $kdepotpath
[10:35] <allee> /foo/kde.pot
[10:35] <allee> ls: /foo/kde.pot: No such file or directory
[10:36] <allee> Riddell: so when one set includedir="" because calling extract msg everything should be fine (or, as I assume, I miss something)
[10:36] <allee> s/because/before/
[10:39] <Riddell> allee: $kdepotpath should be set to /usr/include/kde/kde.pot
[10:39] <Riddell> ah, it is
[10:39] <Riddell> well it wasn't being set for the KDE 3.5 packages
[10:40] <Riddell> but it depends on the admin directory how it's set
[10:47] <allee> Riddell: yes, and in the first example with includedir="" kdeconfig set it to /usr/include/kde/kde.pot correctly.  so assume that's the reason why the pot are not difference with and without the patch.
[10:47] <Riddell> I agree, you don't need it :)
[10:47] <allee> Riddell: fwiw: digikam tarball was just build with 3.5 admin branch
[10:48] <Riddell> allee: make sure it works in a pbuilder too
[10:48] <allee> Riddell: so should I keep the kdepot path or document in changelog that it's not needed? (making merging easier)
[10:48] <Riddell> I seem to remember only noticing the issue with uploading it
[10:48] <Riddell> don't keep it if it's not needed
[10:49] <allee> ok. updating pbuilder tarball ...
[11:49] <allee> Riddell: digikam 0.8.1 with -S -sa at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/  Can you have a look (without uploading yet, because if someone find a real showstopper the tarball may change until officially announced on Wednesday)
[11:50] <allee> but would be good to know that everything else is correct
[11:52] <allee> toma: ^^^