| artnay_ | hey mhz_SVG | 12:16 |
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| mhz_SVG | artnay: hey mon | 12:16 |
| artnay_ | long time no... IRC? | 12:16 |
| mhz_SVG | how's it going | 12:16 |
| mhz_SVG | yup | 12:16 |
| mhz_SVG | too much | 12:17 |
| mhz_SVG | I feel I am a stranger now | 12:17 |
| artnay_ | I'm fine, we had presidental election today | 12:17 |
| mhz_SVG | :DS | 12:17 |
| mhz_SVG | hehehe | 12:17 |
| mhz_SVG | REALLY!!! | 12:17 |
| mhz_SVG | in Chile, too | 12:17 |
| artnay_ | oh rili | 12:17 |
| artnay_ | yes | 12:17 |
| artnay_ | yeah, you now have a female as a president | 12:17 |
| mhz_SVG | it seems the woman candidate is becoming next president here | 12:17 |
| artnay_ | let's hope she will bring some changes | 12:17 |
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| artnay_ | :> | 12:18 |
| mhz_SVG | and in your country? | 12:18 |
| artnay_ | a female at the moment | 12:18 |
| artnay_ | probably she will continue | 12:18 |
| mhz_SVG | good or bad? | 12:18 |
| artnay_ | I don't really know... I mean, it doesn't matter if the president is she (or he) but one should be a right person for that | 12:19 |
| artnay_ | and I'm a bit disappointed to our current president, she hasn't done much in six years | 12:20 |
| artnay_ | I voted but my candidate didn't make it | 12:20 |
| artnay_ | so now there's two candidates left and I'm not sure who should I vote (or should I even vote at all) | 12:21 |
| artnay_ | oh, I saw you voted for the 2nd of Feb | 12:21 |
| artnay_ | thanks for that, we really need some active people here | 12:22 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay_: my big issue is time for artwork team :( | 12:23 |
| mhz_SVG | so I collaborate only when I can | 12:24 |
| mhz_SVG | and meetings are important | 12:24 |
| mhz_SVG | to help the lead of you and klepas | 12:24 |
| artnay_ | klepas is busy | 12:25 |
| artnay_ | I'm not that busy but I'm not willing to do all this by myself and for myself... :| | 12:25 |
| artnay_ | I really don't see much interest in artwork from community | 12:26 |
| artnay_ | just look at the votes at ArtworkTeamVoting | 12:26 |
| artnay_ | and ML | 12:26 |
| artnay_ | and this channel | 12:27 |
| artnay_ | :( | 12:27 |
| artnay_ | and no input from canonical | 12:27 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay: my guess is you should talk to ogra | 12:28 |
| mhz_SVG | or JaneW | 12:28 |
| artnay_ | I mailed Jane* | 12:28 |
| mhz_SVG | and tell them what your feeling is and ideas | 12:28 |
| artnay_ | and ogra isn't here anymore :| | 12:29 |
| mhz_SVG | hmmmm | 12:29 |
| mhz_SVG | I know they have hired some pros and I still have seen no one of them here | 12:30 |
| mhz_SVG | informing what they do or plan to | 12:30 |
| mhz_SVG | I think we should have a coordinate work | 12:30 |
| artnay_ | yeah, I wonder that too | 12:30 |
| artnay_ | CoC states all work should be public etc. | 12:30 |
| artnay_ | so... maybe they want to give a surprise | 12:31 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay_: have you contated Community Council? | 12:31 |
| artnay_ | don't really know | 12:31 |
| artnay_ | no I haven't | 12:31 |
| artnay_ | last time I spoke with you and klepas, there was something bringing that up in next meeting | 12:32 |
| artnay_ | but after that I really haven't talked to you or klepas | 12:32 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay_: my honest and best guess is if you have a plan, state it, and the 'interested people' will follow | 12:33 |
| mhz_SVG | as I said once, I have no idea how to do 'artwork' just some basics for SVG | 12:33 |
| mhz_SVG | so I can hardly make a plan | 12:33 |
| mhz_SVG | but I can surely follow someone with good ideas and experience | 12:34 |
| artnay_ | my idea? I have my own thingies that I can do to my desktop | 12:34 |
| mhz_SVG | see? | 12:34 |
| artnay_ | but I think canonical should provice a branding guide which should be followed | 12:34 |
| mhz_SVG | then community is not needed | 12:34 |
| mhz_SVG | if they can do that | 12:34 |
| mhz_SVG | and have people for ti | 12:34 |
| mhz_SVG | it | 12:34 |
| mhz_SVG | unless we have good ideas | 12:34 |
| artnay_ | but I think they should provide us a way to co-operate a way or another | 12:35 |
| mhz_SVG | in which case they'll need the community | 12:35 |
| mhz_SVG | yup | 12:35 |
| mhz_SVG | but then, if you are willing to go to that fight, the most I can do is to support you | 12:35 |
| artnay_ | I know graphics is something that you need to make yourself. you really can't have tens of people messing around with one project | 12:35 |
| mhz_SVG | and encourage you to present the case to CC people | 12:35 |
| mhz_SVG | and help follow | 12:36 |
| mhz_SVG | 'the plan' | 12:36 |
| artnay_ | yep | 12:36 |
| artnay_ | I've heard we should make our own plan | 12:36 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay: I agree with you very much in what we need | 12:36 |
| artnay_ | but who's going to do that? if one guy says "let's do that, it's cool", people most probably won't help you | 12:37 |
| mhz_SVG | before we have a plan we must know what Canonical plans are | 12:37 |
| artnay_ | but if that guy was mark, I guess many would follow :) | 12:37 |
| artnay_ | mhz_SVG: indeed | 12:37 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay: all free software projects have Roadmap for everything | 12:38 |
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| artnay_ | so if they have hired people to do icons and sounds, but they don't have any to work on usplash and gdm, we should focus on those things | 12:38 |
| artnay_ | we don't need dupe work | 12:38 |
| mhz_SVG | exactly | 12:38 |
| artnay_ | mhz_SVG: but I haven't seen anything realted to artwork (dapper devel ML) | 12:38 |
| mhz_SVG | so the first plan part is to get to know Canonical's plan for artwork | 12:38 |
| mhz_SVG | maybe you should visit #ubuntu-devel | 12:39 |
| mhz_SVG | and see if some CC guys are there and can help you see some light | 12:39 |
| mhz_SVG | artnay: and if you have a plan, I will follow it, step by step | 12:40 |
| mhz_SVG | if others dont have a plan, then your plan is the one to follow | 12:40 |
| artnay_ | well then.... | 12:41 |
| mhz_SVG | if they dont like your plan they must suggest alternatives, if they dont, then we follow your plan again | 12:41 |
| artnay_ | then my plan would make a plan by co-operating with as many people as possible | 12:41 |
| artnay_ | that's why there's artwork team, so people could give their comments and help | 12:42 |
| artnay_ | because I'm not saying what we should do with artwork, I'm just saying that something should be done asap | 12:42 |
| artnay_ | I'm really not one of those guys who tells to others what to do | 12:43 |
| artnay_ | it will fail in this kind of project. if the suggested idea is good, people will help. | 12:43 |
| artnay_ | that is what I think. | 12:43 |
| artnay_ | really, who am I? just one user amongst others | 12:44 |
| artnay_ | but mark and canonical have influence, therefore I think it's their duty to tell how to help | 12:44 |
| artnay_ | do you guys agree? :o | 12:46 |
| mhz_SVG | i see you rpoint | 12:47 |
| mhz_SVG | and u are right | 12:47 |
| mhz_SVG | but a roadmap is usefull to tell people what the priorities are | 12:48 |
| artnay_ | that's why I created ArtworkTodoProposal | 12:48 |
| artnay_ | ArtwokTodoList actually, but there hasn't been much comments on that | 12:50 |
| artnay_ | there has been only a few activepeople contributing on AUC and wiki pages. then there's lots of random artwork (good artwork, I might add) input around web but it's not organized. that is the biggest setback | 12:52 |
| artnay_ | oh, I'm so tired now. I've been working with the presidental election the whole day | 12:53 |
| artnay_ | I guess I've said "thank you" like 674 times today. that must be a record for myself :) | 12:54 |
| artnay_ | mhz_dinner: ArtworkTodoList was meant to be a roadmap. it covers lots of topics that could have been finished before dapper (actually it still is possible to make at least some of them before dapper!) | 12:58 |
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| artnay_ | hey kamstrup | 01:00 |
| kamstrup | yo artnay | 01:01 |
| artnay_ | you're the one who made that surfing badger, am I right? | 01:01 |
| kamstrup | yes :-) | 01:01 |
| artnay_ | it was really nice, thanks for that | 01:01 |
| kamstrup | hehe thanks | 01:01 |
| artnay_ | kamstrup: have you marked yourself as a member of artwork team? | 01:02 |
| kamstrup | hmmm I think so... on the wiki right? | 01:02 |
| artnay_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal - wiki, right. | 01:02 |
| artnay_ | oh yeah, you're there. sorry, I'm really tired now. it's been a long day today. | 01:03 |
| artnay_ | anyways, what are your thoughts on ubuntu artwork? | 01:03 |
| kamstrup | hehe not many atm | 01:04 |
| kamstrup | I'm up to my ears in my masters exam | 01:04 |
| artnay_ | oh, what are you writing/doing? | 01:04 |
| kamstrup | also we're trying to make the Gnome UI freeze deadline for the new deskbar-applet eye-candy gui :-) | 01:04 |
| artnay_ | I guess I'ev seen that | 01:04 |
| kamstrup | I handed in my masters (in math) a while ago; now I just have to defend it :) | 01:05 |
| artnay_ | oh, maths... I've done enough of it just know that I can't handle maths that well :) | 01:06 |
| kamstrup | as I'm the main coder behind the new gui, and api deadline is the same day as my exam (18th of jan.)... I'm pretty swamped :-) | 01:07 |
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| artnay_ | now that was a quickie | 01:07 |
| kamstrup | hehe that was why he was call *Q*-funk | 01:07 |
| kamstrup | Quick-funk | 01:07 |
| kamstrup | he | 01:08 |
| artnay_ | and my reverse changed just today so that freenode can now see it, funky. | 01:08 |
| artnay_ | 02:09 [freenode] (*) artnay_ [i=artnay@f.unk.fi x) | 01:09 |
| artnay_ | but hey, it was nice having a little bit of smalltalk with you. I have to get some sleep now, let's chat more later on | 01:10 |
| artnay_ | bye all | 01:10 |
| kamstrup | cheers artnay | 01:14 |
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| Tm_T | aww, fontforge vs inkscape | 07:05 |
| Tm_T | awwww | 07:05 |
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| Tm_T | help! | 07:05 |
| artnay_ | what is it, Tm_T? | 07:36 |
| Tm_T | 08:05 < Tm_T> aww, fontforge vs inkscape | 07:37 |
| Tm_T | witch one | 07:37 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: hey, can I import another svg as layer in inkscape? | 07:38 |
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| Tm_T | oh, I can <3 | 07:52 |
| Tm_T | sort of | 07:52 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: first svg done, just copy&paste this far | 08:11 |
| artnay_ | Tm_T: ok, let us see what you're doing when you're done | 08:19 |
| Tm_T | http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-basic-01.svg | 08:19 |
| Tm_T | all three parts are their own layer, I hope | 08:20 |
| artnay_ | the server doesn't handle SVGs properly | 08:20 |
| Tm_T | I know | 08:20 |
| Tm_T | pain, isn't it | 08:20 |
| artnay_ | requiredExtensions="http://ns.adobe.com/AdobeIllustrator/10.0/ | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: complaining, so maybe some improvenments will be done soon ;) | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | err? | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | hummm | 08:21 |
| artnay_ | parse the file :) | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | I should | 08:21 |
| Tm_T | but, haven't done anything yet really | 08:22 |
| artnay_ | sodipodi:docbase="/pub/ssh/kapsi.fi/public_html/kuvat/temp" | 08:23 |
| artnay_ | <!-- Generator: Adobe Illustrator 11 Build 196, SVG Export Plug-In . SVG Version: 6.0.0 Build 78) --> | 08:24 |
| Tm_T | humm | 08:24 |
| Tm_T | bah, nano -> | 08:24 |
| artnay_ | ;D | 08:24 |
| Tm_T | stop laughing at me! | 08:28 |
| Tm_T | ;D | 08:28 |
| artnay_ | I'm not laughing at you, just nano ;) | 08:29 |
| Tm_T | murrrhhh | 08:31 |
| Tm_T | where was I? Oh yes, nano -> | 08:31 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: humm, there's no root element in that file... whooops | 08:33 |
| Tm_T | this is strange... | 08:37 |
| Tm_T | Kate <3 | 08:40 |
| Tm_T | sometimes I hate svg ;( | 08:40 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: hrr, I'm evil and cruely cut out all what is not needed to draw lines, atleast all what seems to be unimportant | 08:44 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: recheck it now, just used Kate so not sure if it works at all | 08:44 |
| artnay_ | XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </rdf:RDF>. | 08:51 |
| artnay_ | Line Number 78, Column 5:</i:pgf> | 08:51 |
| artnay_ | ------------------^ | 08:51 |
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| Tm_T | :/ | 08:52 |
| Tm_T | now? | 08:55 |
| Tm_T | now it's raped, hope it still works | 08:56 |
| Tm_T | nah, it's broken | 08:57 |
| Tm_T | artnay_: ok, I'm insane, but now I even start doing one more kopete chat style... well, always good to have jobs waiting ;-P | 09:39 |
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| _jason | Hello, I made an ubuntu buddy icon for aim. It is simple but I would like to share it in case anyone else would like to use it. However, I am not sure where to place it in the wiki. Can someone suggest something? (It doesn't seem to merit its own page, here is what it looks like: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ribeiro/ubuntu/ubuntu-logo-icon-white.jpg) | 02:10 |
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| artnay_ | _jason: I would suggest you to submit it to http://art.ubuntu.com | 03:29 |
| _jason | artnay, thanks, I'll do that | 03:29 |
| artnay_ | you did it, thank you. :) | 03:31 |
| _jason | artnay, when I go to 'My Account', I only see the option to submit a theme or background. Is there a different section I can submit to, or should I just choose one of those? | 03:33 |
| _jason | artnay, never mind I see the option for the icon category in themes | 03:34 |
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| _jason | hey what license should I use when submitting that icon? because th ubuntu logo is trademarked right? | 04:35 |
| _jason | (referring to submitting http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ribeiro/ubuntu/ubuntu-logo-icon-white.jpg at http://art.ubuntu.com ) | 04:36 |
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| lapo | hi there | 04:46 |
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| artnay_ | damn, he left before I woke up :/ | 06:23 |
| artnay_ | hey guys | 06:23 |
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