[12:16] <artnay_> hey mhz_SVG 
[12:16] <mhz_SVG> artnay: hey mon
[12:16] <artnay_> long time no... IRC?
[12:16] <mhz_SVG> how's it going
[12:16] <mhz_SVG> yup
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> too much
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> I feel I am a stranger now
[12:17] <artnay_> I'm fine, we had presidental election today
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> :DS
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> hehehe
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> REALLY!!!
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> in Chile, too
[12:17] <artnay_> oh rili
[12:17] <artnay_> yes
[12:17] <artnay_> yeah, you now have a female as a president
[12:17] <mhz_SVG> it seems the woman candidate is becoming next president here
[12:17] <artnay_> let's hope she will bring some changes
[12:18] <artnay_> :>
[12:18] <mhz_SVG> and in your country?
[12:18] <artnay_> a female at the moment
[12:18] <artnay_> probably she will continue
[12:18] <mhz_SVG> good or bad?
[12:19] <artnay_> I don't really know... I mean, it doesn't matter if the president is she (or he) but one should be a right person for that
[12:20] <artnay_> and I'm a bit disappointed to our current president, she hasn't done much in six years
[12:20] <artnay_> I voted but my candidate didn't make it
[12:21] <artnay_> so now there's two candidates left and I'm not sure who should I vote (or should I even vote at all)
[12:21] <artnay_> oh, I saw you voted for the 2nd of Feb
[12:22] <artnay_> thanks for that, we really need some active people here
[12:23] <mhz_SVG> artnay_: my big issue is time for artwork team :(
[12:24] <mhz_SVG> so I collaborate only when I can
[12:24] <mhz_SVG> and meetings are important
[12:24] <mhz_SVG> to help the lead of you and klepas
[12:25] <artnay_> klepas is busy
[12:25] <artnay_> I'm not that busy but I'm not willing to do all this by myself and for myself... :|
[12:26] <artnay_> I really don't see much interest in artwork from community
[12:26] <artnay_> just look at the votes at ArtworkTeamVoting
[12:26] <artnay_> and ML
[12:27] <artnay_> and this channel
[12:27] <artnay_> :(
[12:27] <artnay_> and no input from canonical
[12:28] <mhz_SVG> artnay: my guess is you should talk to ogra
[12:28] <mhz_SVG> or JaneW
[12:28] <artnay_> I mailed Jane*
[12:28] <mhz_SVG> and tell them what your feeling is and ideas
[12:29] <artnay_> and ogra isn't here anymore :|
[12:29] <mhz_SVG> hmmmm
[12:30] <mhz_SVG> I know they have hired some pros and I still have seen no one of them here
[12:30] <mhz_SVG> informing what they do or plan to
[12:30] <mhz_SVG> I think we should have a coordinate work
[12:30] <artnay_> yeah, I wonder that too
[12:30] <artnay_> CoC states all work should be public etc.
[12:31] <artnay_> so... maybe they want to give a surprise
[12:31] <mhz_SVG> artnay_: have you contated Community Council?
[12:31] <artnay_> don't really know
[12:31] <artnay_> no I haven't
[12:32] <artnay_> last time I spoke with you and klepas, there was something bringing that up in next meeting
[12:32] <artnay_> but after that I really haven't talked to you or klepas
[12:33] <mhz_SVG> artnay_: my honest and best guess is if you have a plan, state it, and the 'interested people' will follow
[12:33] <mhz_SVG> as I said once, I have no idea how to do 'artwork' just some basics for SVG
[12:33] <mhz_SVG> so I can hardly make a plan
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> but I can surely follow someone with good ideas and experience
[12:34] <artnay_> my idea? I have my own thingies that I can do to my desktop
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> see?
[12:34] <artnay_> but I think canonical should provice a branding guide which should be followed
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> then community is not needed
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> if they can do that
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> and have people for ti
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> it
[12:34] <mhz_SVG> unless we have good ideas
[12:35] <artnay_> but I think they should provide us a way to co-operate a way or another
[12:35] <mhz_SVG> in which case they'll need the community
[12:35] <mhz_SVG> yup
[12:35] <mhz_SVG> but then, if you are willing to go to that fight, the most I can do is to support you
[12:35] <artnay_> I know graphics is something that you need to make yourself. you really can't have tens of people messing around with one project
[12:35] <mhz_SVG> and encourage you to present the case to CC people
[12:36] <mhz_SVG> and help follow 
[12:36] <mhz_SVG> 'the plan'
[12:36] <artnay_> yep
[12:36] <artnay_> I've heard we should make our own plan
[12:36] <mhz_SVG> artnay: I agree with you very much in what we need
[12:37] <artnay_> but who's going to do that? if one guy says "let's do that, it's cool", people most probably won't help you
[12:37] <mhz_SVG> before we have a plan we must know what Canonical plans are
[12:37] <artnay_> but if that guy was mark, I guess many would follow :)
[12:37] <artnay_> mhz_SVG: indeed
[12:38] <mhz_SVG> artnay: all free software projects have Roadmap for everything
[12:38] <artnay_> so if they have hired people to do icons and sounds, but they don't have any to work on usplash and gdm, we should focus on those things
[12:38] <artnay_> we don't need dupe work
[12:38] <mhz_SVG> exactly
[12:38] <artnay_> mhz_SVG: but I haven't seen anything realted to artwork (dapper devel ML)
[12:38] <mhz_SVG> so the first plan part is to get to know Canonical's plan for artwork
[12:39] <mhz_SVG> maybe you should visit #ubuntu-devel
[12:39] <mhz_SVG> and see if some CC guys are there and can help you see some light
[12:40] <mhz_SVG> artnay: and if you have a plan, I will follow it, step by step
[12:40] <mhz_SVG> if others dont have a plan, then your plan is the one to follow
[12:41] <artnay_> well then....
[12:41] <mhz_SVG> if they dont like your plan they must suggest alternatives, if they dont, then we follow your plan again
[12:41] <artnay_> then my plan would make a plan by co-operating with as many people as possible
[12:42] <artnay_> that's why there's artwork team, so people could give their comments and help
[12:42] <artnay_> because I'm not saying what we should do with artwork, I'm just saying that something should be done asap
[12:43] <artnay_> I'm really not one of those guys who tells to others what to do
[12:43] <artnay_> it will fail in this kind of project. if the suggested idea is good, people will help.
[12:43] <artnay_> that is what I think.
[12:44] <artnay_> really, who am I? just one user amongst others
[12:44] <artnay_> but mark and canonical have influence, therefore I think it's their duty to tell how to help
[12:46] <artnay_> do you guys agree? :o
[12:47] <mhz_SVG> i see you rpoint
[12:47] <mhz_SVG> and u are right
[12:48] <mhz_SVG> but a roadmap is usefull to tell people what the priorities are
[12:48] <artnay_> that's why I created ArtworkTodoProposal
[12:50] <artnay_> ArtwokTodoList actually, but there hasn't been much comments on that
[12:52] <artnay_> there has been only a few activepeople contributing on AUC and wiki pages. then there's lots of random artwork (good artwork, I might add) input around web but it's not organized. that is the biggest setback
[12:53] <artnay_> oh, I'm so tired now. I've been working with the presidental election the whole day
[12:54] <artnay_> I guess I've said "thank you" like 674 times today. that must be a record for myself :)
[12:58] <artnay_> mhz_dinner: ArtworkTodoList was meant to be a roadmap. it covers lots of topics that could have been finished before dapper (actually it still is possible to make at least some of them before dapper!)
[01:00] <artnay_> hey kamstrup 
[01:01] <kamstrup> yo artnay
[01:01] <artnay_> you're the one who made that surfing badger, am I right?
[01:01] <kamstrup> yes :-)
[01:01] <artnay_> it was really nice, thanks for that
[01:01] <kamstrup> hehe thanks
[01:02] <artnay_> kamstrup: have you marked yourself as a member of artwork team?
[01:02] <kamstrup> hmmm I think so... on the wiki right?
[01:02] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal - wiki, right.
[01:03] <artnay_> oh yeah, you're there. sorry, I'm really tired now. it's been a long day today.
[01:03] <artnay_> anyways, what are your thoughts on ubuntu artwork?
[01:04] <kamstrup> hehe not many atm
[01:04] <kamstrup> I'm up to my ears in my masters exam
[01:04] <artnay_> oh, what are you writing/doing?
[01:04] <kamstrup> also we're trying to make the Gnome UI freeze deadline for the new deskbar-applet eye-candy gui :-)
[01:04] <artnay_> I guess I'ev seen that
[01:05] <kamstrup> I handed in my masters (in math) a while ago; now I just have to defend it  :)
[01:06] <artnay_> oh, maths... I've done enough of it just know that I can't handle maths that well :)
[01:07] <kamstrup> as I'm the main coder behind the new gui, and api deadline is the same day as my exam (18th of jan.)... I'm pretty swamped :-)
[01:07] <artnay_> now that was a quickie
[01:07] <kamstrup> hehe that was why he was call *Q*-funk
[01:07] <kamstrup> Quick-funk
[01:08] <kamstrup> he
[01:08] <artnay_> and my reverse changed just today so that freenode can now see it, funky.
[01:09] <artnay_> 02:09 [freenode]  (*) artnay_ [i=artnay@f.unk.fi x)
[01:10] <artnay_> but hey, it was nice having a little bit of smalltalk with you. I have to get some sleep now, let's chat more later on
[01:10] <artnay_> bye all
[01:14] <kamstrup> cheers artnay
[07:05] <Tm_T> aww, fontforge vs inkscape
[07:05] <Tm_T> awwww
[07:05] <Tm_T> help!
[07:36] <artnay_> what is it, Tm_T?
[07:37] <Tm_T> 08:05 < Tm_T> aww, fontforge vs inkscape
[07:37] <Tm_T> witch one
[07:38] <Tm_T> artnay_: hey, can I import another svg as layer in inkscape?
[07:52] <Tm_T> oh, I can <3
[07:52] <Tm_T> sort of
[08:11] <Tm_T> artnay_: first svg done, just copy&paste this far
[08:19] <artnay_> Tm_T: ok, let us see what you're doing when you're done
[08:19] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-basic-01.svg
[08:20] <Tm_T> all three parts are their own layer, I hope
[08:20] <artnay_> the server doesn't handle SVGs properly
[08:20] <Tm_T> I know
[08:20] <Tm_T> pain, isn't it
[08:21] <artnay_> requiredExtensions="http://ns.adobe.com/AdobeIllustrator/10.0/
[08:21] <Tm_T> artnay_: complaining, so maybe some improvenments will be done soon ;)
[08:21] <Tm_T> err?
[08:21] <Tm_T> hummm
[08:21] <artnay_> parse the file :)
[08:21] <Tm_T> I should
[08:22] <Tm_T> but, haven't done anything yet really
[08:23] <artnay_> sodipodi:docbase="/pub/ssh/kapsi.fi/public_html/kuvat/temp"
[08:24] <artnay_> <!-- Generator: Adobe Illustrator 11 Build 196, SVG Export Plug-In . SVG Version: 6.0.0 Build 78)  -->
[08:24] <Tm_T> humm
[08:24] <Tm_T> bah, nano ->
[08:24] <artnay_> ;D
[08:28] <Tm_T> stop laughing at me!
[08:28] <Tm_T> ;D
[08:29] <artnay_> I'm not laughing at you, just nano ;)
[08:31] <Tm_T> murrrhhh
[08:31] <Tm_T> where was I? Oh yes, nano ->
[08:33] <Tm_T> artnay_: humm, there's no root element in that file... whooops
[08:37] <Tm_T> this is strange...
[08:40] <Tm_T> Kate <3
[08:40] <Tm_T> sometimes I hate svg ;(
[08:44] <Tm_T> artnay_: hrr, I'm evil and cruely cut out all what is not needed to draw lines, atleast all what seems to be unimportant
[08:44] <Tm_T> artnay_: recheck it now, just used Kate so not sure if it works at all
[08:51] <artnay_> XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </rdf:RDF>.
[08:51] <artnay_> Line Number 78, Column 5:		</i:pgf>
[08:51] <artnay_> ------------------^
[08:52] <Tm_T> :/
[08:55] <Tm_T> now?
[08:56] <Tm_T> now it's raped, hope it still works
[08:57] <Tm_T> nah, it's broken
[09:39] <Tm_T> artnay_: ok, I'm insane, but now I even start doing one more kopete chat style... well, always good to have jobs waiting ;-P
[02:10] <_jason> Hello, I made an ubuntu buddy icon for aim.  It is simple but I would like to share it in case anyone else would like to use it.  However, I am not sure where to place it in the wiki.  Can someone suggest something?  (It doesn't seem to merit its own page, here is what it looks like: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ribeiro/ubuntu/ubuntu-logo-icon-white.jpg)
[03:29] <artnay_> _jason: I would suggest you to submit it to http://art.ubuntu.com
[03:29] <_jason> artnay, thanks, I'll do that
[03:31] <artnay_> you did it, thank you. :)
[03:33] <_jason> artnay, when I go to 'My Account', I only see the option to submit a theme or background.  Is there a different section I can submit to, or should I just choose one of those?
[03:34] <_jason> artnay, never mind I see the option for the icon category in themes
[04:35] <_jason> hey what license should I use when submitting that icon?  because th ubuntu logo is trademarked right?
[04:36] <_jason> (referring to submitting  http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ribeiro/ubuntu/ubuntu-logo-icon-white.jpg at http://art.ubuntu.com )
[04:46] <lapo> hi there
[06:23] <artnay_> damn, he left before I woke up :/
[06:23] <artnay_> hey guys