=== allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] I think I need to get more work done for this... [12:17] hey Kyral [12:17] hey === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] Man the Debian guys ripped me a new one on the RFS lol === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] I think I should make a new revision to EasyChem [12:20] azeem: Wanna sponsor it? [12:21] 8-O [12:22] Kyral: You mean they told you what was wrong with it and asked you to fix it before upload? [12:23] I dunno if it was personal opinion or like fix it [12:23] Most of it was all about using dh_install instead of install -d === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] Yah the emails were like "You could have saved some work if you did foo instead of bar" [12:30] http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/01/msg00136.html [12:31] Those criminals, telling you how to package better. [12:32] yah yah [12:32] I'm a beginner sheesh :P [12:33] <\sh> Kyral: be gratefull to get those opinions [12:33] Kyral: did you get feedback from other people besides Florian Ernst? [12:33] \sh: I know :P [12:33] azeem: yah [12:33] and the description argument by jdthood [12:34] description argument? [12:36] in reply to the ITP === Kyral blinks [12:36] I didn't recieve that, I don't think [12:37] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/01/msg00815.html [12:37] ah, it was Frank Kuester not jdthood === anibal [n=nnnnams@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] Actually there is a long one [12:37] I was just too tired to type it in lol === azeem initiates Kyral to the magic of copy&paste [12:38] yah yah [12:38] ;) [12:42] apt-cache show easychem if you really wanna see it === Kyral shrugs [12:45] This is what I get for being lazy === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-56-177.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-014-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] [12:58] Kyral: did you consider some of the suggestions you got on -mentors? [12:58] about install and stuff? [12:58] Kyral: I think the prefix thing might be reasonable to do, but if you want to patch the Makefile to behave properly, that sounds fine [12:58] yeah [12:59] Makefile is already patched in Universe :P [12:59] yeah, I meant fine continueing to do so [01:00] ah [01:00] Kyral: if you make a new revision, I can upload it to Debian, sure [01:01] change prefix? [01:01] 00:13 < Kyral> I think I should make a new revision to EasyChem [01:01] Actually the next revision I wanted to make I would use CDBS ;P [01:02] I mean, IMO its fine right now [01:02] If upstream releases a new version, then I would make the changes along with the new upstream ver === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=ubuntu@asmr-c-c62d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] "Ubuntu Padder"? [01:11] Kyral: ok, just tell me when I should upload something. However, during daytime (until around 8PM CET), I am usually at the Uni and unable to upload things, just fyi [01:11] http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/downloads.html [01:11] well, the package in Universe builds fine in Sid... [01:11] Just a matter of changing the revision from -0ubuntu1 to -1 [01:12] ok [01:13] btw, Daniel Leidert packaged easychem for Debian/Ubuntu as well [01:13] Oh he did? === Kyral blinks [01:13] First I've heard lol === odla [n=chris@S0106000625926fb6.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] http://debian.wgdd.de/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/science/ , if you want to have a look === Kyral blinks [01:14] when did this happen? === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral blinks [01:15] okay I see it [01:15] yesterday [01:15] :) [01:15] * Initial release from Ubuntu package. [01:15] yah [01:15] ok, so no work duplicated, yay [01:15] well at least gimme credit for the XPM :P === Kyral looks for the changelog [01:17] so, should I make this look like an NMU, or can you provide a -1 package I should build/upload? [01:17] if he already did it then its null ;P [01:17] well, he's no DD either, it's his personal site === Kyral blinks [01:18] Now I'm confused [01:18] I was just pointing it out for informational purposes :) [01:18] so he just made it for his own use? [01:19] well, he probably has some users, there are some other packages there already [01:19] I'm trying to get them into Debian, but I've been slacking [01:19] yah I have the package in my little webspace [01:19] http://people.clarkson.edu/~petermcv/debian/ [01:19] I should upload the orig.tar.gz shouldn't I [01:20] I have that already [01:20] yah thats the revision I made switching it to Sid === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] that one okay? [01:29] yeah, works fine [01:29] kk [01:30] Kyral: hrm, you might want to close the ITP bug in the changelog [01:30] but you can also do it manually afterwards if you want [01:30] That was made before the ITP bug lol [01:30] heh, I thought so [01:30] and I'd have to redownload that pack...I kinda nuked my /workspace dir... [01:30] ok, no worry then, I'll upload it? [01:31] eh I can close the bug [01:31] just gotta remember how to apply the diff.gz to the orig [01:31] dpkg-source -x foo.dsc [01:31] ah [01:31] ty [01:35] It would be "Closes ITP "? [01:36] Debian 347849 [01:36] Debian bug 347849: "easychem -- Draw high-quality molecules and chemical 2D formulas" Package: ITP, Severity: wishlist, Maintainer: wnpp@debian.org or that... [01:37] Closes: #347849 [01:38] want me to just send up the diff.gz? [01:38] crimsun: you are around ? [01:38] Kyral: .diff.gz and .dsc is enough, yes [01:39] okay [01:39] gimem a sec [01:40] okay it should be where the others are [01:43] Kyral: oh, I'd like to spare you from Debian flames :) If possible, just add the Closes: #347849 to the -1 changelog entry, no need for -2 === Kyral falls down [01:43] there are some people around who do nothing but check new uploads for bug-closing errors :) [01:44] "* Packaged for Debian Unstable (Closes: #347849)" should be perfect as changelog [01:44] sorry for the trouble === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] done and uploaded [01:47] perfect === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] Kyral: uploaded [01:51] coool..... [01:51] too bad packages.debian.org is down... [01:51] packages.debian.net/easychem [01:51] well, but it won't be there until the day after tomorrow I guess [01:52] Debian only puts new .debs into the archive once a day, in about 19 hours [01:52] So why doesn't the Debian Package Search use that? [01:52] I think there is work underway to reinstate packages.debian.org [01:52] ah [01:52] btw, packages.debian.org/unstable/science/easychem will work, as well [01:53] just not the searching stuff [01:53] yah because I found a thing for Firefox that adds the Debian Package Search to the Searchbar :D [01:54] google searches just fine ;0 [01:54] yah, but its nice to have it right on the searchbar ;P [01:54] ok, good night y'all [01:54] ty azeem [01:57] Is the MIT License valid for packages? [01:59] what do you mean ? [01:59] http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1253 [02:00] sorry, that does not tell me what you mean [02:00] I mean is it alright to package something that uses that License [02:02] yes [02:02] okay [02:03] MIT licence is open source [02:04] hmm [02:04] I don't think I saw an ITP for that === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral thinks he sometimes just packages things for packaging sake [02:05] it probably got kicked out of every distro, considering it is GTK-1.2 [02:06] lol === Kyral shrugs [02:06] the Screenshot doesn't really look it [02:06] http://gtkedit1.sourceforge.net/#screenshot [02:07] and it does what he targetted it for... [02:08] More software in the Repos is good no? [02:14] well, got the emails from the Debian Archive === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Susana [n=Susana@bl6-7-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] hello [02:30] clisp has unmet dependencies in dapper [02:30] is this normal because it is under construction, or should i report it? [02:31] you should report it [02:31] ok [02:31] thanks [02:31] :) === Susana [n=Susana@bl6-7-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] damnit [02:56] what package do I need if a cpp file has #include "Python.h" [02:56] python-dev ? [02:57] ain't wokring [02:57] capital P is sus [02:57] and " " [02:57] its probably a custom header ? [02:57] which isn't included [02:57] it has "PyObject" [02:58] I'm thinking python2.4-cxx-dev might work === fredix [n=fredix@85.65.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] screw this I'm emailing the dev with the diff,gz :P === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F3A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.9] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont-away [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont-away notes that meanwhile is older in dapper than it is in sid... needs to be merged. [03:26] and the cool part is that debian actually has the right build-deps. :-) [03:26] lol [03:26] The cool part is that I got my first package into Debian :P [03:29] meanwhile? [03:29] Kyral: what package? === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] EasyChem [03:30] Azeem uploaded for me === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] Kyral: cool, now you can update your website to say it's in debian :) [03:34] mr-russ: hehe === lamont-away [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Client] [03:35] I'll wait until the thing is actually added by the script thingy [03:35] I know very little about how debian actually works. [03:36] I have a package that was forked by me and a different fork was done by a debian user. [03:36] I'm now trying to merge the forks back together, but it's hard work contacting the dev and making things happen. === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luk [n=luk@112.10-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] Hey LJ [04:25] hi Kyral, just read the backlog, good going getting EasyChem into Debian [04:26] yup [04:26] now I'm going BOFH on someone [04:26] ? [04:26] on the Undernet === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] well, I asked somebody how their ITP was going and they want me to take it over [04:28] Damnit [04:28] I cannot go into full BOFH mode [04:31] hello MOTU === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] hello [04:31] got a question === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] I'm emacs user and would like to make some packages with emacs libraries [04:32] but unfortunately there is already a lot of emacs related packages in debian/ubuntu [04:33] emacs++ [04:33] unfortunately they usually aren't up to date [04:33] in either Sid or Dapper? [04:33] and sometimes they are broken or they don't work like they should [04:34] well I cannot say nothing about dapper [04:34] because dapper doesn't want to boot on my second machine since last apt-get upgrade [04:35] anyway in my humble opinion debian packages are propably "best on market" [04:35] but they sucks... [04:35] what packages? [04:35] and their naming convention sucks pretty much [04:36] Kyral: I really don't want to report bugs here... lot's of them [04:36] no I meant packages ;P [04:37] hmm afair jde is broken [04:37] not sure about dapper but propably is not installable [04:37] (if you really want examples) [04:37] ICK Java [04:38] lua-mode in debian is broken will not byte-compile === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.195.210] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral points to Malone [04:39] anyway it's not bugzilla here [04:39] I just would like to ask about ubuntu [04:40] is ubuntu going to keep all these debian packages? [04:40] or are there any plans to create ubuntu-specific emacs packages? [04:41] because currently emacs related packages in ubuntu are 100% "compatible" with debian packages [04:41] and another thing: is there any naming convention for emacs packages? [04:42] I would think there would only be Ubuntu specific packages if they are needed, usually it works better for us is to get the fix in Debian and sync === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] because in my opinion currently it's pretty hard to find emacs packages because they all got weird names [04:43] and it's hard to sort/filter emacs packages in ubuntu and debian too [04:46] marcin: if a package doesn't work for you try searching Malone and if you can't find an already opened bug about your problem file a new one [04:47] marcin: the naming comes from Debian and I don't see any conventions right off hand but you might be able to ask debian-devel or something [04:47] LaserJock: well debian-devel... nnno I don't think so ;) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] LaserJock: and about bugs... ok I'll try to file some bug reports [04:48] LaserJock: but in fact I went other way - I just already created about 60 emacs related packages [04:49] LaserJock: with different and more logical naming convention, with cdbs and lot of other improvements [04:49] LaserJock: and I got my own apt repository on localhost with these packages [04:50] well, if you want to get your packages into Ubuntu you should look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU and get them on REVU [04:50] LaserJock: and they work really great but they got different names, different rules etc. [04:50] I really don't know about the naming conventions though [04:50] LaserJock: than these from debian [04:51] LaserJock: well my naming convention is pretty simple [04:51] LaserJock: I just use 'emacs' as prefix for all my packages [04:51] LaserJock: so it's easy to find them in synaptic etc. [04:51] LaserJock: just like python or perl packages [04:51] so did you just take the debian packages and rename/fix them? or are they original? [04:52] they use debian emacs policy [04:52] with all these emacsen install/remove etc. [04:52] emacsen-common stuff [04:53] but their 'rules' are original [04:53] because I started to use 'cdbs' in my packages === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] marcin: hmm, have you talked to the Debian maintainers at all? [04:55] I've been trying on #debian-devel or something... few months ago [04:56] and.. I don't want to start this again [04:56] well, I can imagine the response :-) [04:56] so, you propably understand :) [04:57] anyway.. [04:57] yeah, but maybe you could file a BTS bug or something and talk to the actual maintainers if you feel a change is really needed [04:58] well but you know... I don't want to talk to Debian maintainers... [04:58] and this is why I ask here - about Ubuntu plans etc. [04:59] right, but I don't think messing with that many packages in Ubuntu is the solution [04:59] right but Ubuntu is known as something 'revolutionary' and innovative [05:00] eh [05:00] so I just wonder if this is only related to gnome or maybe emacs packages could change too [05:00] I sometimes call it Debian For Beginners [05:00] I mean the basic idea is that we really don't have the manpower to create a lot of changes, we have to maintain every change we make and for Universe there are only ~ 35 MOTU for >1500 packages [05:01] Kyral: I don't see it that way at all but whatever ;-) [05:01] LaserJock: well I agree but there are two things === luk [n=luk@233.208-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] 1. emacs packages doesn;t change very often [05:02] (in fact there is a lot of packages that are almost unmaintained) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] hey Amaranth [05:03] 2. if we'll use cdbs in these packages they will be clean and simple and easy to maintain [05:03] and well it's point 3 - I already maintain about 60 packages for myself and I propably could do this for ubuntu [05:04] marcin: I can see 1 but I don't know that 2 is necissarily true and with 3 you are welcome to submit your packages to REVU [05:05] LaserJock: well are you sure that I can put them in REVU ? [05:05] sure, they may not get in but you can at least get them reviewed [05:05] LaserJock: they will conflict with almost evry debian package... [05:06] LaserJock: (because they got different names...) [05:06] that is why I am saying that you are better off probably getting the changes you want in Debian rather than Ubuntu [05:07] LaserJock: well but it's _really_ hard to talk with them... [05:07] I can understand that [05:07] anyway it's 5 am and I really should go to sleep for a while [05:08] so, propably tomorrow I'll just try to upload some packages to REVU [05:08] marcin: I am really glad you care about these packages and that you are taking time to try to fix them [05:08] I'll select packages that are not available in ubuntu now [05:08] and we will see [05:08] marcin: I just don't know if Ubuntu is able to make that dramatic of a change right now [05:09] anyway.. can I upload breezy packages to REVU? [05:09] no... [05:09] Dapper === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] (emacs packages are in fact 'platform' 'compiler' etc independent... ) [05:09] welll then I need to wait for flight 3 [05:10] because currently my dapper is just broken [05:10] marcin: you can alway use a dapper pbuilder [05:10] I cannot boot... and got no idea why [05:10] hmmm [05:11] ok I'm too tired now [05:11] I'll be back tomorrow [05:11] thanks and night to all [05:11] good night marcin === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] hi ogra === psusi [n=ubuntu@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium_ [n=mfrimbe@71-213-137-73.albq.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1A97.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] GOOD MORNING! === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] hi MOTUs :) === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] If two repositories have the same package, which one will be chosen? [08:35] of what is the smart way to apply custom changes to a package that you want distributed? [08:35] s/of/or === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-246-38.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-204-181.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] hi motus === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] morning! === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:19] hi === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] hello mr-russ, siretart, lucas [09:27] dholbach: there are lots of merges/syncs waiting for review on malone [09:27] the problem is LP considers "fix commited" bugs as "fixed", so they are hidden from the default listing [09:29] https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs?field.searchtext=&search=Search&orderby=datecreated&advanced=1&field.include_dupes.used=&field.statusexplanation=&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.status-empty-marker=1&field.severity-empty-marker=1&field.attachmenttype-empty-marker=1 [09:29] echannel jaldhar ? ;) [09:29] (35 results) [09:29] bah [09:29] I meant jamesh [09:30] except tab complete is borking [09:32] lifeless: yeah, it should really do some mind-reading to know which nick you wanted to talk to ;) [09:32] nah [09:32] if I type james and hit tab === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] it wont bring up jamesh in this channel [09:33] yeah, that's because jamesh is not here [09:34] oh, irssi got confused [09:34] it had jamesh in the scrollback [09:34] until I paged up and down enough [09:37] lucas: yeah, that occured to me too === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luk [n=luk@39.167-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === migma [n=migma@unaffiliated/migma] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-16-214.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-246-38.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=ubuntu@asmr-c-c62d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vuntz__ [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-246-38.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@n219077185219.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-006-167.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raptoid [n=raptoid@unaffiliated/raptoid] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c183080.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@85.65.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=zhengpen@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jm__@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] shawarma: ping? === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-246-38.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-099-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === KriS83 [n=KriS@212.202.141.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] Hi [01:10] KriS83: G'day [01:11] I have a probably not to often asked question === garbage__ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] I am looking for a Howto of how to build a dummy deb which contains only a single file and after installing this file I want to run a postinst script [01:12] Lets say this file is a single precompiled binary [01:12] Any ideas for some good Howto? [01:13] KriS83: maint-guide? [01:13] marcin`, this explains on how to do all of this when wanting to compile during package creation === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-242-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] Which I do not want to do [01:14] KriS83: so.. just skip these parts [01:14] I have a fnished file not having to be compiled anymore [01:14] KriS83: and implement only postinst [01:14] KriS83: you could use cdbs [01:15] KriS83: and include only debhelper.mk [01:15] KriS83: and then postinst/yourpackage [01:15] KriS83: just copy this precompiled library and run your postints script [01:15] right, I'll give that a try [01:15] KriS83: take a look at cdbs documentation [01:16] sure, thx [01:17] KriS83: np, your 'rules' file propably could have just few lines [01:17] KriS83: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [01:18] and then install/your package with copy (to put your precompiled lib where you need) [01:18] and postinst/your_package.... that's all [01:19] building a deb file is way more complicated than rpms :-/ [01:19] KriS83: Not really. [01:20] KriS83: There is just a lot of tools to help. [01:20] I think so :) [01:20] Which means learning those tools. [01:20] KriS83: well I also thought so, but in fact the only difference is [01:20] well with a rpm I have one single file *.spec edit it to my need running rpmbuild finished :) [01:21] KriS83: that rpm use shell script while deb uses makefile [01:21] KriS83: use dh_make to generate files you need automagically [01:21] KriS83: and then just edit them === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] StevenK: around? [01:31] StevenK: do you have an idea why linda is bugging me about not able to find a suitable .mo file? [01:34] What's the error? === StevenK giggles at dvd::rip [01:35] anyone else than me have trouble running Java SWT programs with dapper (eg. Azureus) [01:36] (seems to be coming of the way libgtk get compiled) [01:36] Ripping - title #1: 13130000.00%, 135 fps, elapsed 00:01:50, ETA 00:-1:04 === StevenK is taking it to be 13%, at 10^6 [01:37] StevenK: dvd::rip is cool, but how are you getting 135fps ???? [01:38] Yagisan: Um, I have a dual Athlon? :-) === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] Yagisan: What do you usually get? [01:39] StevenK: I have a dvd::rip cluster here, with amd64 (15-25fps) + duron (8-15fps)+ several p2s (1-5fps each) === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] StevenK: you are much quicker [01:40] Both processors got smashed. [01:40] I have no idea, actually. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] Yagisan: That was a direct rip to disk, mind you. [01:45] Now I'm doing a transcode, and it's 15 [01:46] Morning [01:48] Dual pass encoding gets me 45 [01:51] siretart: did you see utnubu-discuss ? it looks like amaya will sponsor your package and the one of sistpoty in Debian :) === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] buxy: I just answered! :) === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:638:a00:1e:2e0:81ff:fe58:3431] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa92.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:638:a00:1e:2e0:81ff:fe58:40b1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eazel7 [n=eazel7@host177.201-252-96.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] hi [01:59] StevenK: sorry - bub woke up. I noticed when using transcode the system is less responsive, then when using mencoder on the same source [01:59] I'm needing some help about building dapper packages on breezy [01:59] could you help me? [02:00] PBuilder? [02:00] eazel7: please be specific [02:00] works for an amd64? [02:00] I'm sorry I wish I could help more but I have to run to class [02:01] eazel7: I'm also on amd64 - what are you trying to backport ? [02:01] I'll try, I want to build an amd64 breezy package for the mono [02:01] kinda [02:01] for the latest monodevelop too (much more stable than the others, if you've seen it) [02:02] I used to use a binary repository for that, but now that I've switched to amd64 it's useless [02:02] so I want to backport form dapper to breezy [02:03] what do you suggest me to do? === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] eazel7: simplest way is to ask backports to backport mono and monodevelop [02:05] eazel7: otherwise start by building a pbuilder [02:05] eazel7: for breezy === siretart_ [n=siretart@p5494CFA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] darn, router to tauware.de died [02:05] eazel7: then download the source packages for mono and monodevelop from dapper [02:05] ok, I'll do [02:06] what 'Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages' means? (after pbuilder create) [02:06] eazel7: ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com [02:07] eazel7: try pbuilder create again === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-motu === garbage_ [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] \sh: why do you say that we motus don't maintain packages? [02:17] <\sh> siretart: because we don't...not in the sense of Debian (IMHO( [02:17] \sh: I think differently. We DO maintain the packages in ubuntu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw7-fe12f900-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348281 [02:18] Debian bug 348281: "please add these Debian and Ubuntu floater variants" Package: gnome-screensaver, Version: gnome-screensaver/0.0.23-1., Severity: wishlist, Maintainer: guilherme.pastore@terra.com.br (Guilherme de S. Pastore) siretart: well...we change them, fix bugs, yes. and it happens that the next time we see the package again, all bugs are fixed by debian or upstream and we sync. so no work for this package anymore [02:19] includess goodies for Dapper. [02:19] and I also think there are some MOTUs, who are indeed willing to work on the package at the debian side. since this decreases divergence, its a win-win situation [02:19] siretart: thanks for your reply to my comment on debian-devel. [02:19] siretart: the problem is: do we have time for this ? [02:19] and the answer is probably: no [02:19] <\sh> siretart: that's what I said, yes. But by default "MOTU Team" as maintainer ... I would say no [02:20] it would piss off some MOTUs to see ubuntu-motu in the 'Maintainer:' field [02:20] <\sh> siretart: if a maintainer, then the utnubu team, because they will push the packages into debian, as global team for taking care about the collab work [02:20] Q-FUNK: I'm very happy that you gave me the chance to write my lines in that context. so I'd have to thank you! :) [02:21] <\sh> lucas: "not pissing off" but if it's appropriate...I don't know [02:21] lucas: In that case, I wouldn't care. I mean, why should they be annoyed when MOTUs are working on packages in debian.. *shrug* [02:22] siretart: do you already have some packages in Debian ? [02:22] siretart: I have to run now, but I'll be back in about 2 hours. let's see how I can help motu. [02:22] \sh: whats the rationale for not using the MOTU Team? [02:22] the number of mails you receive is quite important [02:22]