[12:42] <mhz> ogra: is it me or ubuntu apt repos are having trouble?
[01:01] <crimsun> mhz: they work fine here (a.u.c. does at least)
[01:02] <mhz> crimsun: thx
[01:02] <mhz> :(
[04:50] <Yagisan> mhz, hows techocimento (I spelt it wrong again didn't I) going ?
[04:51] <mhz> good and bad
[04:51] <Yagisan> mhz: bad first
[04:51] <mhz> good = it seems the best for us is to become a NGO
[04:51] <mhz> :D
[04:51] <mhz> sorry
[04:52] <mhz> bad = not many people believed we want to do things right first, then carghe money for it
[04:52] <mhz> :)
[04:52] <Yagisan> I see
[04:53] <Yagisan> mhz: I expect to lose my governemt grant soon
[04:53] <mhz> wow
[04:53] <mhz> sorry
[04:53] <Yagisan> mhz: lower then expected takeup :(
[04:54] <Yagisan> mhz: I divert them to voicemail so I don't hear them complain >:)
[04:54] <mhz> Yagisan: i am truly sorry to hear that
[04:55] <Yagisan> mhz: it's a combination of my wifes injury (hospital fuckup), and general lack of willingness to spend cash on the part of customers
[04:56] <mhz> Yagisan: I have never been there yet, so I can hardly imagine how shitty this situation must be
[04:56] <mhz> however, I do hope better things come up
[04:56] <Yagisan> mhz: me too. I keep trying, that's why I invested so much time on http://eyagi.bpa.nu:8081/eyagi
[04:57] <Yagisan> mhz: more interest from overseas, so I'll try to capture that
[05:01] <Yagisan> mhz: like my rss feeds ?
[05:02] <mhz> times out
[05:02] <Yagisan> mhz: really ? damm, it works for me
[05:03] <Yagisan> mhz: of course, I'm not using apache to cache it yet
[05:06] <mhz> ooh
[05:06] <mhz> it happens many times when it's loong distance calls :)
[05:08] <Yagisan> mhz: fun times will happen tonight when I attempt to cache it with apache, and not kill my ubuntu repo.
[05:08] <Yagisan> mhz: did I mention that is the live machine too
[05:08] <mhz> ooooooooohhhhh
[05:09] <mhz> interesting and safer
[05:12] <mhz> Yagisan: I'd suggest Claroline, Moodle, or e-lame.org
[05:12] <mhz> Yagisan: I'd suggest Claroline, Moodle, or e-lane.org
[05:12] <Yagisan> mhz: thank you. 
[05:13] <mhz> yw
[05:20] <mhz> Yagisan: how do i let a user run CGI ?
[05:21] <Yagisan> mhz: whuch www server, and are you sure you want to do it ?
[05:21] <mhz> whuch?
[05:23] <Yagisan> typo
[05:23] <Yagisan> which
[05:23] <Yagisan> mhz: or pretend I'm from new zealand, your choice
[05:23] <mhz> lol
[05:23] <Yagisan> :-P
[05:24] <mhz> Yagisan: apache2
[05:25] <Yagisan> mhz: just a sec (I don't run cgi myself - many security issues)
[05:27] <Yagisan> mhz: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/cgi.html look for user directories
[05:28] <mhz> okis, thx
[05:29] <Yagisan> mhz: do you know what cgi scripts are running ?
[05:29] <mhz> just one
[05:29] <mhz> moin.cgi
[05:31] <Yagisan> mhz: you will need to track security on that. cgi is most easy way to take over a www server
[05:32] <mhz> Yagisan: true
[06:27] <mhz> Yagisan: have you ever kept an entire OS synced with rsync?
[06:28] <Yagisan> mhz: no - it could make a perfect clone
[06:28] <Yagisan> mhz: but it would also have the same ip etc
[06:28] <Yagisan> mhz: there is another app that lets you do that
[06:28] <mhz> oh
[06:29] <Yagisan> mhz: I forgot the name at the moment
[06:29] <mhz> booh
[06:29] <Yagisan> mhz: it works like a two way rsync
[06:29] <mhz> Yagisan: and you have used qemu?
[06:30] <mhz> iirc, Yagisan used quemu
[06:30] <mhz> qemu
[06:30] <Yagisan> mhz: yes - but not networking. qemu could not do what I wanted, so I haven't played with it for a while
[06:30] <mhz> but did qemu let you test .iso files?
[06:31] <Yagisan> mhz: i386 ?? yes - but it's not very fast
[06:32] <mhz> oh
[06:32] <Yagisan> mhz: it has a kqemu kernel modules that speeds it up, but that is not opensource
[06:54] <mhz> bye all
[08:55] <mwright1night> hello
[08:55] <mwright1night> is local devices going to happen for dapper drake
[08:56] <mwright1night> so the LTSP will be fully LTSP 4.2 compliant with the added ssh security
[08:57] <juliux> i think local device support it not in dapper
[08:57] <juliux> s/it/is/
[08:57] <crimsun> it wasn't high enough priority, I don't think
[08:58] <mwright1night> bummer
[08:58] <mwright1night> I guess I'll stick with FC for another release
[08:58] <mwright1night> and look towards a migration next time
[09:04] <Burgundavia> mwright1night, not going to make it
[09:04] <mwright1night> will it make it for the next release post dapper?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> IANAD, but I would say yes
[10:50] <Eghie_Work> spacey: jij had toch netbooting via Edubuntu voor elkaar?
[11:09] <spacey_ki> Eghie_Work, met pxe wel ja
[11:09] <spacey_ki> wat lukt er niet dan
[11:11] <Eghie_Work> met netinstall?
[11:12] <Eghie_Work> of. wat boot je dan via PXE?
[11:12] <spacey_ki> netinstall?
[11:12] <spacey_ki> dat is iets anders
[11:12] <Eghie_Work> of boot jij een voor geinstalleerde edubuntu via PXE?
[11:13] <spacey_ki> ik boot mijn thinclients via PXE
[11:13] <Eghie_Work> aha
[11:13] <Eghie_Work> ikke snap
[11:14] <spacey_ki> dat wou jij ook of was je iets anders van plan?
[11:14] <Eghie_Work> mjah, volgens Treenaks in #ubuntu-NL kon je me wel helpen, maar denk zelf eig niet
[11:15] <Eghie_Work> nou ik ben bezig een school netwerk in te richten
[11:15] <Eghie_Work> via PXE, boot je Ubuntu netinstall en dan wordt via Kickstart geinstalleerd op de client met wat postinstall scriptjes
[11:16] <Eghie_Work> nu heb ik ook mirror gemaakt van de main repo van ubuntu
[11:16] <spacey_ki> das iets anders idd
[11:16] <Eghie_Work> alleen kan de installatie modules niet downloaden vanaf de mirror, apt werkt wel
[11:17] <Eghie_Work> en anna geeft te weinig debug info om te kijken van wat er mis is :S
[11:17] <Eghie_Work> PXE werkt zelf wel
[11:28] <spacey_ki> ik moet naar me werk
[11:28] <spacey_ki> laters
[11:28] <spacey_ki> succes
[11:28] <spacey_ki> zou zeggen als het gelukt is
[11:28] <spacey_ki> prop het in de wiki
[11:28] <spacey_ki> :)
[11:28] <spacey_ki> ben wel benieuwd
[11:29] <Eghie_Work> ok, zal ik doen 
[11:31] <tatyana> hi, anyone here knows if the 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) (detected by lspci) can work under the edubuntu kernel?
[11:36] <Eghie_Work> the new one wil work i think (5.10)
[11:36] <Eghie_Work> a friend of mine has a laptop with a broadcom WIFI card in it, and it works under Ubuntu Breezy
[11:37] <tatyana> i have 5.10
[11:37] <Eghie_Work> it will work (i think)
[11:37] <crimsun> tatyana: it does. You may have to use ndiswrapper, but it works.
[11:37] <tatyana> it gets detected by lspci
[11:38] <tatyana> but... i don't get an extra network interface
[11:38] <tatyana> crimsun, so not out of the box, any guide to make it work with ndiswrapper? (btw isn't that a pay application for windows drivers?)
[11:38] <crimsun> tatyana: ndiswrapper is free. You're thinking of Linuxant or Driverloader
[11:38] <tatyana> ah k
[11:39] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^bcm43xx
[11:39] <crimsun> (at the console/in a Terminal)
[11:40] <tatyana> not loaded
[11:40] <crimsun> sudo modprobe bcm43xx
[11:41] <tatyana> not found
[11:41] <tatyana> FATAL: Module bcm43xx not found.
[11:42] <crimsun> must only be in Dapper, then
[11:43] <tatyana> :s
[11:43] <tatyana> I think it's best not to manually recompile this kernel
[11:44] <tatyana> any other way to make it work?
[11:46] <crimsun> do you have the .inf file for it?
[11:46] <crimsun> if so, you can use ndiswrapper
[11:46] <tatyana> ehm no
[11:46] <crimsun> you don't have Windows installed on that computer?
[11:47] <tatyana> nopz
[11:49] <crimsun> ok, is it currently connected to the Internet?
[11:50] <tatyana> yes
[11:50] <crimsun> you'll need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r), build-essential, gcc-3.4
[11:53] <crimsun> you'll also need to download a copy of the .inf
[11:54] <tatyana> anything else? cause i'll do this later
[11:55] <crimsun> are you on a 64-bit machine?
[11:57] <tatyana> nop
[11:57] <crimsun> ok, then you need ndiswrapper-utils, too
[11:58] <crimsun> actually if you install ndiswrapper-utils, you won't need linux-headers-$(uname r), build-essential, or gcc-3.4
[11:59] <tatyana> k, so that's all i need?
[12:00] <tatyana> installing
[12:17] <tatyana> hmmm
[12:17] <tatyana> can't extract the windows drivfers
[12:31] <tatyana> root@edubuntu:~# ndiswrapper -l
[12:31] <tatyana> Installed ndis drivers:
[12:31] <tatyana> bcmwl5a invalid driver!
[12:34] <crimsun> I've read there are a few different .infs for it
[12:35] <tatyana> ah k
[12:35] <tatyana> got the right one now i think
[12:36] <tatyana> root@edubuntu:~# ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf
[12:36] <tatyana> Installing bcmwl5
[12:36] <tatyana> root@edubuntu:~# ndiswrapper -l
[12:36] <tatyana> Installed ndis drivers:
[12:36] <tatyana> bcmwl5  invalid driver!
[12:36] <tatyana> that should be the correct one
[01:06] <tatyana> options? ideas?
[01:43] <P3L|C4N0> tatyana, ndiswrapper with broadcom 4306 no support, 4318 only
[01:48] <DeeJay1> hello. I have a small question - is there a network installer for edubuntu dapper testing ?
[01:50] <ogra> DeeJay1, only the normal ubuntu netinstall, you have to doo all the edubuntu stuff manually ...
[01:51] <DeeJay1> hmm, ok
[01:52] <DeeJay1> oh, BTW I'm currently fighting with edubuntu 5.10 setting random keyboard layouts on the clients, any hints here?
[01:52] <ogra> seen the wiki ?
[01:53] <ogra> you need to set it in lts.conf
[01:53] <DeeJay1> still looking at different pages there
[01:53] <ogra> its linked from the install notes
[01:54] <DeeJay1> crap, I knew it was somewhere there
[01:55] <DeeJay1> but the problem is in the "pl" layout there are some different layouts one qwerty one qwertz and one I haven't seen before
[01:55] <DeeJay1> ogra: thx
[01:57] <tatyana> mhm, is there any wway to get my broadcom 4306 working on edubuntu? (as it doesn't work with ndiswrapper)
[01:57] <ogra> it might work with dapper, it has the new bcm43xx driver, but dapper is not intended for day to day usage yet 
[01:59] <tatyana> ic, any idea when dapper will be released, like 'stable'
[02:00] <ogra> sure
[02:00] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[02:01] <ogra> 20th of april
[02:01] <tatyana> ic
[02:01] <tatyana> k 
[02:01] <tatyana> :)
[02:01] <tatyana> thx
[02:02] <ogra> but it should start to be usable for normal users with the beta release ...
[02:11] <DeeJay1> ogra: ok, I get someone to check it (there's no internet access yet) in the worst case gnome should handle it via some sabayon setting I think
[02:11] <ogra> yup
[02:12] <DeeJay1> there already are some custom setting for seniors there (yeah, 80 year olds learning Linux)
[03:24] <highvoltage> ogra: how are things?
[03:24] <ogra> busy
[03:24] <ogra> two days until UVF
[03:29] <highvoltage> sjoe
[05:09] <azazel> hi, anyone can tell me where i can find a list of the edu packages included with edubuntu?
[05:50] <mhz> ogra: ping, please
[05:51] <Yagisan> morning mhz
[05:51] <mhz> morning
[05:51] <Yagisan> mhz: no worries - catch you later then
[05:53] <ogra> mhz, pong
[06:54] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[10:28] <mhz> ogra: ping
[10:28] <ogra> mhz, sorry meeting ...
[10:28] <mhz> okis
[11:17] <mhz> ogra: ping?
[11:34] <mhz> Does anyone know when next edubuntu summit will take place and where?