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Hobbseeanyone had trouble with the latest updates (ie. bugtracker), and a lot of the kde programs crashing on launch?12:08
tomaallee: ok, looks ok as far as i can judge, which is very, very limited12:10
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Hobbseesomething tells me this will require lots of bug filing - many kde programs (including kopete, konversation, konsole) are all crashing when i try starting them.  weird.12:32
Tm_T:o12:52
Tm_THobbsee: start from konsole12:53
Tm_TI smell glibc12:53
HobbseeTm_T, konsole's crashing too12:54
Tm_Tuff12:54
Tm_Txterm?12:54
Hobbseemight be because i tried removing scim...12:54
Hobbseewell, now it's sorta here...12:55
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Tm_THobbsee: yes, you're sorta here ;)12:58
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Hobbseeseems that you cant remove it, without causing massive trouble12:58
Tm_Tuff12:58
Tm_Tand you would like to remove it, because...12:58
Hobbseeto see what it did?12:58
Hobbseei'd tested it out for freeflying...12:58
Hobbseebut had forgotten that i'd removed kubuntu-desktop, so no idea if it was crucial or not12:59
Tm_Thehe12:59
Hobbseeand i wouldnt have done that, except for the fact that i like a working touchpad lol01:00
Hobbsee /rant :P01:00
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alleeTonio__: FYI: wlassistant, dh_client problem is known upstream, but not fixed yet.  Upstream has not much free time (surprise) and no access to an dh_client maschine.02:46
alleeTonio__: so IMHO wlassistant is not good idea.  I can't promise that I have enough time to fix it myself02:47
alleeTonio__: the current cvs versions has other flaws (wrong display of channel #) so it's no real enhancement compared to 0.5.4a :(02:48
Tonio__allee: not a good news....02:51
alleeTonio__: yes. :(  02:51
Tonio__anyway, there are others tools, but wlassistant was by far the most promissing02:52
Tonio__we'll have to wait for knetworkmanager to be over maybe ;)02:52
alleeTonio__: yes.  And for a kde-app survey/eval it's too late :(02:52
Tonio__allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3366802:53
Tonio__I suggest you to have a look at this ;) it is packages for dapper, but I didn't got time to test it02:53
Tonio__hum, isn't revu supposed to be extended to 02/19 ?02:54
Tonio__I thought to freeze set to 01/19 was only for debian sync.....02:55
Tonio__there is also another one : 02:55
alleeTonio__: not sure.  but the more time the better.  And there is always my local repo ;)02:55
=== allee install swscanner ...
Tonio__allee: http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/02:56
Tonio__this one is very promissing too, and a kde frontend is in the work ;)02:56
Tonio__so with all those tools, I'm sure we'll have something rocking for dapper+102:56
alleeTonio__: too late, I need something better than kwifimanger no.  My users complain loudly :(02:57
Tonio__the missing of good network tools is a pain with kde........... really....02:57
alleeho,ho apt-get build-dep swscanner fails02:58
Tonio__what about installing gnome tools or the moment ? qt-kde provides quite correct integration02:58
Tonio__ah ? damn :) we don't have a chance with this ;)02:58
alleeTonio__: no way ;)  kwifi isn't that bad02:59
Tonio__s/qt-kde/gtk-qt-engines02:59
Tonio__allee: I've never been able to connect to something with it ^^ I'm missing something02:59
alleeTonio__: swscanner or netswitch?03:00
Tonio__kwifimanager03:00
Tonio__I never tried netswitch or swscanner03:01
allee'k03:01
Tonio__but I know a few persons who have tried netswitch with gnome and they were very pleased with it...03:01
Tonio__sudo is managed and the tool tested on ubuntu in the first place03:01
Tonio__that could be the tool we're waiting for, but I'm afraid the kde frontend will not be ready for 19/0203:02
alleefrom netswitch seems MUCH broader in scope than just a wlan manage/connect.  doesn't this conflict with networkmanger?03:03
=== allee wonder what the gnome goal/route for dapper and dapper++ is.
Tonio__possibly yes.... they do the sme kind of work, dynamic management of all the network structure, local, wifi blabla03:03
alleeI doubt that it's a good idea to implement 2 different network mgt.03:04
alleein kubuntu and gnome03:04
Tonio__allee: that's true03:04
Tonio__the only thing is that netswitch will have gtk AND qt frontend in a very short time....03:04
alleeyeah a little app is one thing, but different frameworks would be bad03:04
Tonio__I don't have much informations concerning networkmanager qt frontend statement.....03:05
Tonio__so maybe trying to suggest the ubuntu crew to have a look at netwtich could be nice, even if I doubt their decision to encourage the networkmanager framework isn't already stopped and decided03:06
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alleeTonio__: uhm, swscanner layout is ugly and buggy and it files .xsession-error with 5 lines/sec :(03:19
Tonio__allee: argh ! As I told you I didn't test it...03:21
alleeTonio__: np. was JFYI ;)03:22
Tonio__;)03:22
alleeTonio__: I'll try netswitch from svn ..03:22
Tonio__allee: can't wait for a good network tool....03:23
Tonio__strange that the kde crue never did one....03:23
Tonio__s/crue/crew03:23
alleeTonio__: you know were the kde versio is?  Guesses kswitch kdeswitch - > no repo :(03:24
Tonio__allee: I think it is in the work....03:25
alleeTonio__: yes, so I tired svn ;)03:25
Tonio__hum that's doesn't de facto mean there is something usable ;)03:26
alleesvn ls svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/netswitch -> no repo03:26
alleeTonio__: I'm just curious.03:26
Tonio__I can imagin ;) you should maybe simply ask upstream the statement.... maybe they're waiting for soething to compile before adding it to svn....03:27
alleeTonio__: not now.  Bed time overdue!03:28
alleebye03:28
Tonio__same for me ;)03:28
Tonio__nite allee 03:28
alleenite tonio03:28
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freeflyinghttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/723503:57
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Hobbseeargh!!!04:34
HobbseeRiddell: you need an install cd tested?04:34
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Tm_THobbsee_away: ?07:16
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Hobbsee_awayTm_T: system is so slow - about to reinstall of dapper flight 1 - completely out of space07:36
Tm_Tuff07:38
Tm_Tinteresting07:38
freeflying_https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/2865907:43
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pefRiddell: hello Jonathan, can you please update the topic for flight3 ? thanks !08:29
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freeflying_has anyone tried with flight-3 ppc live cd?10:48
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Riddellfreeflying_: it's broken10:50
Riddellknown issue10:50
freeflying_Riddell: :(10:50
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freeflying_Riddell: dose ppc install cd work ?11:00
Riddellfreeflying_: yes11:01
\shRiddell: I'll forget libvisual support until upstream solved the gcc-4 issues properly. libvisual plugins are still only compiling with gcc-3.411:08
\shRiddell: and I found a bugreport from doko, where he asks for fixing this11:08
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Riddell\sh: ok, thanks for looking into that11:14
\shRiddell: better to have it not in for dapper..lets deal with it for dapper+1 11:14
freeflying_Riddell, \sh: will the qtimmodule be removed , for there are problems about chinese now  11:18
Riddellfreeflying_: just that crash you reported or other problems?11:24
Riddellfreeflying_: suse are also having issues with the immodule patch11:25
\shRiddell: well..we should think about disabling the patch for dapper...11:30
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MezRiddell: ping12:13
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RiddellMez: hi12:45
MezRiddell: how do you feel about a general URL parser for katapult ?12:46
Mezsomething that will check with kio for valid URLs12:46
RiddellMez: and run kfmexec on them?12:46
MezRiddell: I'm not sure of the right command - but if thats the right command then yes12:47
Riddellwell KRun internally12:47
Mezwhatever will launch them properly :D12:47
Riddellsounds like a good idea yes12:47
Riddellbut I always keep a konqueror open so I doubt I'd use it much12:48
Mezhehe12:49
Mezhave you seen the new addition to the amarok catalog ?12:49
Riddelldon't think so12:49
Lathiati have12:49
Lathiatits awesome12:49
Mezwhen selecting a song, it will show the album art in the left hand side of the launch thing if there is artwork available12:49
Lathiathowever itd be nice if you coudl cycle through matches12:49
Lathiatis there a shortcut for that?12:49
MezLathiat - not at the moment12:50
Mezit's soething we'll be introducing soon I hoe12:50
Mezhope *12:50
Lathiatah cool12:50
Mezmaybe for next version12:50
MezRiddell, when is UVF being put in effect ?12:58
Mezhmm12:58
Mez19th12:58
Mezhopefully we should have a copy of 0.3.1 for katapult then12:59
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Riddellsealne: akademy location voting open, closes feb 1st02:11
HobbseeRiddell: sydney!02:16
Hobbsee:P02:16
RiddellHobbsee: no sydney proposals I'm afraid.  besides I've already been there in the last 12 months02:16
MezRiddell, UK ? :P02:16
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Hobbseepity02:17
RiddellMez: Scotland02:17
MezRiddell:02:17
Mez:P02:17
Mezbtw - whats happening with zeroconf support in dapper02:17
Riddellalso one in Ireland02:17
RiddellMez: it's in02:17
Mezit still seems to not be woking02:17
Lathiathows the kde side of things?02:17
Riddellwhat's not working about it?02:17
Lathiatmy krdc wont start atm due to missing libkdnssd02:17
Lathiatkrdc: error while loading shared libraries: libkdnssd.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:17
Mezwell - I've had to install a load of extra deps - and all i get now is a blank screen on zeroconf:/02:17
LathiatMez: is anything advertising?02:18
MezLathiat: should be02:18
Lathiattry avahi-discover02:18
Lathiatfrom avahi-utils02:18
RiddellLathiat: libkdnssd.so.1 is part of kdelibs4c2a02:18
Lathiatwhich is installed02:19
Riddelllatest version?02:19
Lathiatoh hangon02:19
Lathiati installed libkdnssd-avahi at some port02:19
Lathiatpoint02:19
Lathiatand while now deinstalled02:19
Lathiatit seems to have left the diversion in place02:19
Lathiathow do i undivert something?02:19
Lathiatah, there we go02:21
Mezbash: avahi-discover: command not found02:21
LathiatMez: did you install avahi-utils?02:21
Mezyup02:21
Lathiaterrr02:22
Lathiatmaybe it got split out and i didnt notice02:22
Lathiatah, so it did02:22
Lathiatavahi-discover02:22
Lathiathr02:28
Lathiati think python2.4-avahi is incorrectly depending on python2.4-glade vs -glade202:28
sealneRiddell: ta02:30
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freeflyinghttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/2853503:27
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freeflyingRiddell: plz have a look on these , they something have problems aboout CJK 04:10
freeflyingRiddell: http://kubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/17/bugs-have-been-reported-in-dapper-about-cjk/04:10
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Riddellfreeflying: your blog?04:15
Riddellhello DoeRayMe 04:15
freeflyingRiddell: y04:16
DoeRayMehey04:17
DoeRayMei just wanna say how great kubuntu is, Dapper is going to be awesome, Adept is coming along really good, aswell as kde-systemsettings and kde-guidance ;) btw will KDE 3.5.1 be included in Dapper? due out the 20th04:19
Tm_TDoeRayMe: prolly even 3.5.204:21
Tm_TDoeRayMe: if no other way, extra repository like 3.5 in breezy04:22
DoeRayMegreat, cant wait :)04:23
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Tm_TDoeRayMe: this is just how I think things goes, so... ;)04:26
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MezRiddell: ping05:01
RiddellMez: hi05:01
MezRiddell: you changed the version number of katapult in last uploaad....05:02
Mezwe're going to be making a release soon - what would you suggest as the best "version" number for it05:02
RiddellMez: 0.3.005:06
MezRiddell, ah fair enough05:06
MezI'm gonna use 0.3.1 just to be on the safe side :D05:06
Riddellah, the debian method of versioning05:06
Mez... ?05:07
Mezwhat do you mean by that?05:07
Riddelldebian never had a 1.0 release because someone else took a beta or something and sold it as 1.005:08
Riddellso they jumped to 1.105:08
Mezyeah05:08
Mezbasically that :D05:08
RiddellMez: can you get amarok 1.3.8 into backports?05:09
MezRiddell: I'll look later05:10
Mezcan you email me and remind me05:10
Mezhave you checked build on dapper?05:10
Mezbreezy *05:10
RiddellI have not05:11
Riddellno reason for it not to work though05:11
RiddellMez: we need that "katapult has started" popup notify turned off for starting up on a resumed session05:16
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MezRiddell: it is off for resumed sessions!05:48
RiddellMez: oh cool, sorted then05:49
MezIts been like that for a while :D05:50
Mezlol05:50
Mezit's where I got the patch from for yakuake to do the same thing :d05:50
\shRiddell: did you see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535 ?06:19
Riddell\sh: yep, no immediate ideas except removing immodule patch from qt06:21
Riddellwhich would be a shame06:21
\shRiddell: well..if I read the bugreport the right way, kate is loading it, but kate uses as well xim wuth nabi then. So it can be kmail, akregator or glibc06:22
\shdinner time...brb06:26
Riddell\sh: I can confirm that problem with the attached e-mail, kmail doesn't give a backtrace though06:35
\shsh*t06:41
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RiddellLathiat: any idea how to get libnss-mdns working?07:02
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Riddellmdz: ping, able to talk about KubuntuDapperPackageManager?08:02
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alleeeh, no Tonio :(08:55
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mdzRiddell: ok08:59
mdzwhat's up?08:59
mdzRiddell: ack, TB meeting starting09:03
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teprrrevenings09:45
teprrrhow about getting a package for this: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30745 ?09:45
alleeHi Tonio_ what happened with codeine in REVU?  Is also a nice, did you find bugs like in wlassistant?10:02
Tonio_allee: nope, it build correctly, but leaves many, many files when doing a debuild && debuild -S -sa10:04
Tonio_lots of modified binaries etc....10:05
Tonio_sounds like a pain to build packages with scons........10:05
Tonio_I didn't find time to investigate....10:05
Tonio_I have to do, but well, I have less time actually....10:08
teprrrcongrats if so.. afaik kde4 will be using kbsys+scons :)10:23
Riddellmdz: was just about the meeting you suggested with you, me and mornfall to get the KubuntuDapperPackageManager spec sorted but looks like he's gone to bed10:26
alleeTonio_: okay I'll have a look.10:36
alleeRiddell: [23:49]  <allee> Riddell: digikam 0.8.1 with -S -sa at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/  Can you have a look (without uploading yet, because if someone find a real showstopper the tarball may change until officially announced on Wednesday)10:38
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Riddellthe things one misses when going to bed at a reasonable hour10:38
allee:) np.10:39
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alleeTonio_: that was easy! with your debian/* and my old codeine rules files, .diff is stays clean. Lintian warn about missing manpage, but this can wait a bit11:26
Riddellallee: digikam looks good11:32
alleeRiddell: okay.  I'll ping you again when it's sure that upstream tarball will not be remade. okay?11:33
Riddellallee: cool11:33
alleeRiddell: is their interest to get codeine video into dapper?  I rebuild it here for me but maybe other like it too11:34
Riddellallee: sure11:34
Tonio_allee: cool :) you've merged my debian and your roules so ? ;)11:34
RiddellI seem to remember someone doing it though11:34
Tonio_I'd like to see it.... I really have a problem with scons packages........11:34
Riddellallee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=115411:34
Riddellah, you've seen that11:35
alleeTonio_: yeah. My rules files is an old ugly dh_make one, but it works somehow. ;)11:35
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Tonio_I couldn't imagin a board could be so complicated........ that's a nightmare11:35
alleeTonio_: I never bothered to fill more that just rules.  So nevertheless you did the build of work ;)11:35
Riddellallee: you have codeine ready to upload?11:36
allees/build/buld/11:36
Tonio_allee: the name on the package isn't important ;) What imports to me is that the app is available on the repos, so upload it if you have done it ;)11:36
alleeRiddell: give me a bit more time.  I go through debian/* 11:36
Tonio_codeine is a very good player, would be sad not to have it for dapper :)11:37
Riddellsure, you have until Thursday :)11:37
alleeOkay, I'll upload to revu what I have, to your test.  I only want to polish a pit11:37
alleeand reupload again.11:37
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Tonio_allee: finally what is frozen on thursday concerning revu ? I feel a bit lost....11:38
Tonio_I thought packages approval was okay until 19/02, am I wrong ?11:38
RiddellTonio_: I'm lost too actually11:38
RiddellNEW is ok until sometime, not sure about new upstreams of existing packages11:39
Tonio_What I read was that debian sync was frozen11:39
alleeTonio_: ask Riddell. Your question yesterday confused me too.  But before 19th is save ;)11:39
Tonio_but revu and ubuntu specific packages where uploadable until 19/0211:39
Tonio_maybe I'm wrong........11:39
Tonio_need to ask siretart or dholbach....11:40
alleeTonio_: do you have a .dput.cf REVU entry?11:41
Tonio_allee: yep11:42
Tonio_don't you ?11:42
Tonio_email me the source package and I'll upload :)11:42
Riddell[revu] 11:43
Riddellfqdn = revu.tauware.de11:43
Riddellincoming = /incoming11:43
Riddelllogin = anonymous11:43
alleeTHX!11:43
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alleenite11:44
Tonio_nite Riddell 11:46
Tonio_allee: finally you have access ?11:46
alleeTonio_: just remembered that I did not pbuild.  currently running. Puh!11:47
Tonio_:)11:47
alleeTonio_: about your other old revu baby kmplayer.  Did you hear from jpatrick, he wanted to work on it.11:48
Tonio_allee: nope, but my package is comptlely crappy ;) it is one of the first packages I did, when I didn't knew how to do it correctly....11:49
Tonio_jpatrick should really start from scratch ;)11:49
alleeTonio_: don't know if you used your or the one from kde svn. 11:50
alleeTonio_: I would like to see it in dapper too because of the embeddable viewer11:50
Tonio_yep... I use stable version, not svn11:50
Tonio_s/use/used11:51
alleemhm digikam breezy needs relaxed build depends :(11:51
alleeTonio_: yeah, I mean kde svn has a debian dir maybe he used this as a start11:51
Tonio_allee: ah okay :)11:52

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