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Hobbsee | anyone had trouble with the latest updates (ie. bugtracker), and a lot of the kde programs crashing on launch? | 12:08 |
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toma | allee: ok, looks ok as far as i can judge, which is very, very limited | 12:10 |
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Hobbsee | something tells me this will require lots of bug filing - many kde programs (including kopete, konversation, konsole) are all crashing when i try starting them. weird. | 12:32 |
Tm_T | :o | 12:52 |
Tm_T | Hobbsee: start from konsole | 12:53 |
Tm_T | I smell glibc | 12:53 |
Hobbsee | Tm_T, konsole's crashing too | 12:54 |
Tm_T | uff | 12:54 |
Tm_T | xterm? | 12:54 |
Hobbsee | might be because i tried removing scim... | 12:54 |
Hobbsee | well, now it's sorta here... | 12:55 |
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Tm_T | Hobbsee: yes, you're sorta here ;) | 12:58 |
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Hobbsee | seems that you cant remove it, without causing massive trouble | 12:58 |
Tm_T | uff | 12:58 |
Tm_T | and you would like to remove it, because... | 12:58 |
Hobbsee | to see what it did? | 12:58 |
Hobbsee | i'd tested it out for freeflying... | 12:58 |
Hobbsee | but had forgotten that i'd removed kubuntu-desktop, so no idea if it was crucial or not | 12:59 |
Tm_T | hehe | 12:59 |
Hobbsee | and i wouldnt have done that, except for the fact that i like a working touchpad lol | 01:00 |
Hobbsee | /rant :P | 01:00 |
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allee | Tonio__: FYI: wlassistant, dh_client problem is known upstream, but not fixed yet. Upstream has not much free time (surprise) and no access to an dh_client maschine. | 02:46 |
allee | Tonio__: so IMHO wlassistant is not good idea. I can't promise that I have enough time to fix it myself | 02:47 |
allee | Tonio__: the current cvs versions has other flaws (wrong display of channel #) so it's no real enhancement compared to 0.5.4a :( | 02:48 |
Tonio__ | allee: not a good news.... | 02:51 |
allee | Tonio__: yes. :( | 02:51 |
Tonio__ | anyway, there are others tools, but wlassistant was by far the most promissing | 02:52 |
Tonio__ | we'll have to wait for knetworkmanager to be over maybe ;) | 02:52 |
allee | Tonio__: yes. And for a kde-app survey/eval it's too late :( | 02:52 |
Tonio__ | allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33668 | 02:53 |
Tonio__ | I suggest you to have a look at this ;) it is packages for dapper, but I didn't got time to test it | 02:53 |
Tonio__ | hum, isn't revu supposed to be extended to 02/19 ? | 02:54 |
Tonio__ | I thought to freeze set to 01/19 was only for debian sync..... | 02:55 |
Tonio__ | there is also another one : | 02:55 |
allee | Tonio__: not sure. but the more time the better. And there is always my local repo ;) | 02:55 |
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Tonio__ | allee: http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/ | 02:56 |
Tonio__ | this one is very promissing too, and a kde frontend is in the work ;) | 02:56 |
Tonio__ | so with all those tools, I'm sure we'll have something rocking for dapper+1 | 02:56 |
allee | Tonio__: too late, I need something better than kwifimanger no. My users complain loudly :( | 02:57 |
Tonio__ | the missing of good network tools is a pain with kde........... really.... | 02:57 |
allee | ho,ho apt-get build-dep swscanner fails | 02:58 |
Tonio__ | what about installing gnome tools or the moment ? qt-kde provides quite correct integration | 02:58 |
Tonio__ | ah ? damn :) we don't have a chance with this ;) | 02:58 |
allee | Tonio__: no way ;) kwifi isn't that bad | 02:59 |
Tonio__ | s/qt-kde/gtk-qt-engines | 02:59 |
Tonio__ | allee: I've never been able to connect to something with it ^^ I'm missing something | 02:59 |
allee | Tonio__: swscanner or netswitch? | 03:00 |
Tonio__ | kwifimanager | 03:00 |
Tonio__ | I never tried netswitch or swscanner | 03:01 |
allee | 'k | 03:01 |
Tonio__ | but I know a few persons who have tried netswitch with gnome and they were very pleased with it... | 03:01 |
Tonio__ | sudo is managed and the tool tested on ubuntu in the first place | 03:01 |
Tonio__ | that could be the tool we're waiting for, but I'm afraid the kde frontend will not be ready for 19/02 | 03:02 |
allee | from netswitch seems MUCH broader in scope than just a wlan manage/connect. doesn't this conflict with networkmanger? | 03:03 |
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Tonio__ | possibly yes.... they do the sme kind of work, dynamic management of all the network structure, local, wifi blabla | 03:03 |
allee | I doubt that it's a good idea to implement 2 different network mgt. | 03:04 |
allee | in kubuntu and gnome | 03:04 |
Tonio__ | allee: that's true | 03:04 |
Tonio__ | the only thing is that netswitch will have gtk AND qt frontend in a very short time.... | 03:04 |
allee | yeah a little app is one thing, but different frameworks would be bad | 03:04 |
Tonio__ | I don't have much informations concerning networkmanager qt frontend statement..... | 03:05 |
Tonio__ | so maybe trying to suggest the ubuntu crew to have a look at netwtich could be nice, even if I doubt their decision to encourage the networkmanager framework isn't already stopped and decided | 03:06 |
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allee | Tonio__: uhm, swscanner layout is ugly and buggy and it files .xsession-error with 5 lines/sec :( | 03:19 |
Tonio__ | allee: argh ! As I told you I didn't test it... | 03:21 |
allee | Tonio__: np. was JFYI ;) | 03:22 |
Tonio__ | ;) | 03:22 |
allee | Tonio__: I'll try netswitch from svn .. | 03:22 |
Tonio__ | allee: can't wait for a good network tool.... | 03:23 |
Tonio__ | strange that the kde crue never did one.... | 03:23 |
Tonio__ | s/crue/crew | 03:23 |
allee | Tonio__: you know were the kde versio is? Guesses kswitch kdeswitch - > no repo :( | 03:24 |
Tonio__ | allee: I think it is in the work.... | 03:25 |
allee | Tonio__: yes, so I tired svn ;) | 03:25 |
Tonio__ | hum that's doesn't de facto mean there is something usable ;) | 03:26 |
allee | svn ls svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/netswitch -> no repo | 03:26 |
allee | Tonio__: I'm just curious. | 03:26 |
Tonio__ | I can imagin ;) you should maybe simply ask upstream the statement.... maybe they're waiting for soething to compile before adding it to svn.... | 03:27 |
allee | Tonio__: not now. Bed time overdue! | 03:28 |
allee | bye | 03:28 |
Tonio__ | same for me ;) | 03:28 |
Tonio__ | nite allee | 03:28 |
allee | nite tonio | 03:28 |
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freeflying | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7235 | 03:57 |
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Hobbsee | argh!!! | 04:34 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: you need an install cd tested? | 04:34 |
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Tm_T | Hobbsee_away: ? | 07:16 |
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Hobbsee_away | Tm_T: system is so slow - about to reinstall of dapper flight 1 - completely out of space | 07:36 |
Tm_T | uff | 07:38 |
Tm_T | interesting | 07:38 |
freeflying_ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/28659 | 07:43 |
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pef | Riddell: hello Jonathan, can you please update the topic for flight3 ? thanks ! | 08:29 |
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freeflying_ | has anyone tried with flight-3 ppc live cd? | 10:48 |
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Riddell | freeflying_: it's broken | 10:50 |
Riddell | known issue | 10:50 |
freeflying_ | Riddell: :( | 10:50 |
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freeflying_ | Riddell: dose ppc install cd work ? | 11:00 |
Riddell | freeflying_: yes | 11:01 |
\sh | Riddell: I'll forget libvisual support until upstream solved the gcc-4 issues properly. libvisual plugins are still only compiling with gcc-3.4 | 11:08 |
\sh | Riddell: and I found a bugreport from doko, where he asks for fixing this | 11:08 |
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Riddell | \sh: ok, thanks for looking into that | 11:14 |
\sh | Riddell: better to have it not in for dapper..lets deal with it for dapper+1 | 11:14 |
freeflying_ | Riddell, \sh: will the qtimmodule be removed , for there are problems about chinese now | 11:18 |
Riddell | freeflying_: just that crash you reported or other problems? | 11:24 |
Riddell | freeflying_: suse are also having issues with the immodule patch | 11:25 |
\sh | Riddell: well..we should think about disabling the patch for dapper... | 11:30 |
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Mez | Riddell: ping | 12:13 |
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Riddell | Mez: hi | 12:45 |
Mez | Riddell: how do you feel about a general URL parser for katapult ? | 12:46 |
Mez | something that will check with kio for valid URLs | 12:46 |
Riddell | Mez: and run kfmexec on them? | 12:46 |
Mez | Riddell: I'm not sure of the right command - but if thats the right command then yes | 12:47 |
Riddell | well KRun internally | 12:47 |
Mez | whatever will launch them properly :D | 12:47 |
Riddell | sounds like a good idea yes | 12:47 |
Riddell | but I always keep a konqueror open so I doubt I'd use it much | 12:48 |
Mez | hehe | 12:49 |
Mez | have you seen the new addition to the amarok catalog ? | 12:49 |
Riddell | don't think so | 12:49 |
Lathiat | i have | 12:49 |
Lathiat | its awesome | 12:49 |
Mez | when selecting a song, it will show the album art in the left hand side of the launch thing if there is artwork available | 12:49 |
Lathiat | however itd be nice if you coudl cycle through matches | 12:49 |
Lathiat | is there a shortcut for that? | 12:49 |
Mez | Lathiat - not at the moment | 12:50 |
Mez | it's soething we'll be introducing soon I hoe | 12:50 |
Mez | hope * | 12:50 |
Lathiat | ah cool | 12:50 |
Mez | maybe for next version | 12:50 |
Mez | Riddell, when is UVF being put in effect ? | 12:58 |
Mez | hmm | 12:58 |
Mez | 19th | 12:58 |
Mez | hopefully we should have a copy of 0.3.1 for katapult then | 12:59 |
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Riddell | sealne: akademy location voting open, closes feb 1st | 02:11 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: sydney! | 02:16 |
Hobbsee | :P | 02:16 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: no sydney proposals I'm afraid. besides I've already been there in the last 12 months | 02:16 |
Mez | Riddell, UK ? :P | 02:16 |
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Hobbsee | pity | 02:17 |
Riddell | Mez: Scotland | 02:17 |
Mez | Riddell: | 02:17 |
Mez | :P | 02:17 |
Mez | btw - whats happening with zeroconf support in dapper | 02:17 |
Riddell | also one in Ireland | 02:17 |
Riddell | Mez: it's in | 02:17 |
Mez | it still seems to not be woking | 02:17 |
Lathiat | hows the kde side of things? | 02:17 |
Riddell | what's not working about it? | 02:17 |
Lathiat | my krdc wont start atm due to missing libkdnssd | 02:17 |
Lathiat | krdc: error while loading shared libraries: libkdnssd.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 02:17 |
Mez | well - I've had to install a load of extra deps - and all i get now is a blank screen on zeroconf:/ | 02:17 |
Lathiat | Mez: is anything advertising? | 02:18 |
Mez | Lathiat: should be | 02:18 |
Lathiat | try avahi-discover | 02:18 |
Lathiat | from avahi-utils | 02:18 |
Riddell | Lathiat: libkdnssd.so.1 is part of kdelibs4c2a | 02:18 |
Lathiat | which is installed | 02:19 |
Riddell | latest version? | 02:19 |
Lathiat | oh hangon | 02:19 |
Lathiat | i installed libkdnssd-avahi at some port | 02:19 |
Lathiat | point | 02:19 |
Lathiat | and while now deinstalled | 02:19 |
Lathiat | it seems to have left the diversion in place | 02:19 |
Lathiat | how do i undivert something? | 02:19 |
Lathiat | ah, there we go | 02:21 |
Mez | bash: avahi-discover: command not found | 02:21 |
Lathiat | Mez: did you install avahi-utils? | 02:21 |
Mez | yup | 02:21 |
Lathiat | errr | 02:22 |
Lathiat | maybe it got split out and i didnt notice | 02:22 |
Lathiat | ah, so it did | 02:22 |
Lathiat | avahi-discover | 02:22 |
Lathiat | hr | 02:28 |
Lathiat | i think python2.4-avahi is incorrectly depending on python2.4-glade vs -glade2 | 02:28 |
sealne | Riddell: ta | 02:30 |
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freeflying | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535 | 03:27 |
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freeflying | Riddell: plz have a look on these , they something have problems aboout CJK | 04:10 |
freeflying | Riddell: http://kubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/17/bugs-have-been-reported-in-dapper-about-cjk/ | 04:10 |
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Riddell | freeflying: your blog? | 04:15 |
Riddell | hello DoeRayMe | 04:15 |
freeflying | Riddell: y | 04:16 |
DoeRayMe | hey | 04:17 |
DoeRayMe | i just wanna say how great kubuntu is, Dapper is going to be awesome, Adept is coming along really good, aswell as kde-systemsettings and kde-guidance ;) btw will KDE 3.5.1 be included in Dapper? due out the 20th | 04:19 |
Tm_T | DoeRayMe: prolly even 3.5.2 | 04:21 |
Tm_T | DoeRayMe: if no other way, extra repository like 3.5 in breezy | 04:22 |
DoeRayMe | great, cant wait :) | 04:23 |
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Tm_T | DoeRayMe: this is just how I think things goes, so... ;) | 04:26 |
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Mez | Riddell: ping | 05:01 |
Riddell | Mez: hi | 05:01 |
Mez | Riddell: you changed the version number of katapult in last uploaad.... | 05:02 |
Mez | we're going to be making a release soon - what would you suggest as the best "version" number for it | 05:02 |
Riddell | Mez: 0.3.0 | 05:06 |
Mez | Riddell, ah fair enough | 05:06 |
Mez | I'm gonna use 0.3.1 just to be on the safe side :D | 05:06 |
Riddell | ah, the debian method of versioning | 05:06 |
Mez | ... ? | 05:07 |
Mez | what do you mean by that? | 05:07 |
Riddell | debian never had a 1.0 release because someone else took a beta or something and sold it as 1.0 | 05:08 |
Riddell | so they jumped to 1.1 | 05:08 |
Mez | yeah | 05:08 |
Mez | basically that :D | 05:08 |
Riddell | Mez: can you get amarok 1.3.8 into backports? | 05:09 |
Mez | Riddell: I'll look later | 05:10 |
Mez | can you email me and remind me | 05:10 |
Mez | have you checked build on dapper? | 05:10 |
Mez | breezy * | 05:10 |
Riddell | I have not | 05:11 |
Riddell | no reason for it not to work though | 05:11 |
Riddell | Mez: we need that "katapult has started" popup notify turned off for starting up on a resumed session | 05:16 |
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Mez | Riddell: it is off for resumed sessions! | 05:48 |
Riddell | Mez: oh cool, sorted then | 05:49 |
Mez | Its been like that for a while :D | 05:50 |
Mez | lol | 05:50 |
Mez | it's where I got the patch from for yakuake to do the same thing :d | 05:50 |
\sh | Riddell: did you see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535 ? | 06:19 |
Riddell | \sh: yep, no immediate ideas except removing immodule patch from qt | 06:21 |
Riddell | which would be a shame | 06:21 |
\sh | Riddell: well..if I read the bugreport the right way, kate is loading it, but kate uses as well xim wuth nabi then. So it can be kmail, akregator or glibc | 06:22 |
\sh | dinner time...brb | 06:26 |
Riddell | \sh: I can confirm that problem with the attached e-mail, kmail doesn't give a backtrace though | 06:35 |
\sh | sh*t | 06:41 |
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Riddell | Lathiat: any idea how to get libnss-mdns working? | 07:02 |
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Riddell | mdz: ping, able to talk about KubuntuDapperPackageManager? | 08:02 |
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allee | eh, no Tonio :( | 08:55 |
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mdz | Riddell: ok | 08:59 |
mdz | what's up? | 08:59 |
mdz | Riddell: ack, TB meeting starting | 09:03 |
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teprrr | evenings | 09:45 |
teprrr | how about getting a package for this: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30745 ? | 09:45 |
allee | Hi Tonio_ what happened with codeine in REVU? Is also a nice, did you find bugs like in wlassistant? | 10:02 |
Tonio_ | allee: nope, it build correctly, but leaves many, many files when doing a debuild && debuild -S -sa | 10:04 |
Tonio_ | lots of modified binaries etc.... | 10:05 |
Tonio_ | sounds like a pain to build packages with scons........ | 10:05 |
Tonio_ | I didn't find time to investigate.... | 10:05 |
Tonio_ | I have to do, but well, I have less time actually.... | 10:08 |
teprrr | congrats if so.. afaik kde4 will be using kbsys+scons :) | 10:23 |
Riddell | mdz: was just about the meeting you suggested with you, me and mornfall to get the KubuntuDapperPackageManager spec sorted but looks like he's gone to bed | 10:26 |
allee | Tonio_: okay I'll have a look. | 10:36 |
allee | Riddell: [23:49] <allee> Riddell: digikam 0.8.1 with -S -sa at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/ Can you have a look (without uploading yet, because if someone find a real showstopper the tarball may change until officially announced on Wednesday) | 10:38 |
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Riddell | the things one misses when going to bed at a reasonable hour | 10:38 |
allee | :) np. | 10:39 |
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allee | Tonio_: that was easy! with your debian/* and my old codeine rules files, .diff is stays clean. Lintian warn about missing manpage, but this can wait a bit | 11:26 |
Riddell | allee: digikam looks good | 11:32 |
allee | Riddell: okay. I'll ping you again when it's sure that upstream tarball will not be remade. okay? | 11:33 |
Riddell | allee: cool | 11:33 |
allee | Riddell: is their interest to get codeine video into dapper? I rebuild it here for me but maybe other like it too | 11:34 |
Riddell | allee: sure | 11:34 |
Tonio_ | allee: cool :) you've merged my debian and your roules so ? ;) | 11:34 |
Riddell | I seem to remember someone doing it though | 11:34 |
Tonio_ | I'd like to see it.... I really have a problem with scons packages........ | 11:34 |
Riddell | allee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1154 | 11:34 |
Riddell | ah, you've seen that | 11:35 |
allee | Tonio_: yeah. My rules files is an old ugly dh_make one, but it works somehow. ;) | 11:35 |
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Tonio_ | I couldn't imagin a board could be so complicated........ that's a nightmare | 11:35 |
allee | Tonio_: I never bothered to fill more that just rules. So nevertheless you did the build of work ;) | 11:35 |
Riddell | allee: you have codeine ready to upload? | 11:36 |
allee | s/build/buld/ | 11:36 |
Tonio_ | allee: the name on the package isn't important ;) What imports to me is that the app is available on the repos, so upload it if you have done it ;) | 11:36 |
allee | Riddell: give me a bit more time. I go through debian/* | 11:36 |
Tonio_ | codeine is a very good player, would be sad not to have it for dapper :) | 11:37 |
Riddell | sure, you have until Thursday :) | 11:37 |
allee | Okay, I'll upload to revu what I have, to your test. I only want to polish a pit | 11:37 |
allee | and reupload again. | 11:37 |
=== allee is curious if his revu account is expired after more than 6 month | ||
Tonio_ | allee: finally what is frozen on thursday concerning revu ? I feel a bit lost.... | 11:38 |
Tonio_ | I thought packages approval was okay until 19/02, am I wrong ? | 11:38 |
Riddell | Tonio_: I'm lost too actually | 11:38 |
Riddell | NEW is ok until sometime, not sure about new upstreams of existing packages | 11:39 |
Tonio_ | What I read was that debian sync was frozen | 11:39 |
allee | Tonio_: ask Riddell. Your question yesterday confused me too. But before 19th is save ;) | 11:39 |
Tonio_ | but revu and ubuntu specific packages where uploadable until 19/02 | 11:39 |
Tonio_ | maybe I'm wrong........ | 11:39 |
Tonio_ | need to ask siretart or dholbach.... | 11:40 |
allee | Tonio_: do you have a .dput.cf REVU entry? | 11:41 |
Tonio_ | allee: yep | 11:42 |
Tonio_ | don't you ? | 11:42 |
Tonio_ | email me the source package and I'll upload :) | 11:42 |
Riddell | [revu] | 11:43 |
Riddell | fqdn = revu.tauware.de | 11:43 |
Riddell | incoming = /incoming | 11:43 |
Riddell | login = anonymous | 11:43 |
allee | THX! | 11:43 |
=== Riddell beds | ||
allee | nite | 11:44 |
Tonio_ | nite Riddell | 11:46 |
Tonio_ | allee: finally you have access ? | 11:46 |
allee | Tonio_: just remembered that I did not pbuild. currently running. Puh! | 11:47 |
Tonio_ | :) | 11:47 |
allee | Tonio_: about your other old revu baby kmplayer. Did you hear from jpatrick, he wanted to work on it. | 11:48 |
Tonio_ | allee: nope, but my package is comptlely crappy ;) it is one of the first packages I did, when I didn't knew how to do it correctly.... | 11:49 |
Tonio_ | jpatrick should really start from scratch ;) | 11:49 |
allee | Tonio_: don't know if you used your or the one from kde svn. | 11:50 |
allee | Tonio_: I would like to see it in dapper too because of the embeddable viewer | 11:50 |
Tonio_ | yep... I use stable version, not svn | 11:50 |
Tonio_ | s/use/used | 11:51 |
allee | mhm digikam breezy needs relaxed build depends :( | 11:51 |
allee | Tonio_: yeah, I mean kde svn has a debian dir maybe he used this as a start | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | allee: ah okay :) | 11:52 |
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