[12:08] <Hobbsee> anyone had trouble with the latest updates (ie. bugtracker), and a lot of the kde programs crashing on launch?
[12:10] <toma> allee: ok, looks ok as far as i can judge, which is very, very limited
[12:32] <Hobbsee> something tells me this will require lots of bug filing - many kde programs (including kopete, konversation, konsole) are all crashing when i try starting them.  weird.
[12:52] <Tm_T> :o
[12:53] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: start from konsole
[12:53] <Tm_T> I smell glibc
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Tm_T, konsole's crashing too
[12:54] <Tm_T> uff
[12:54] <Tm_T> xterm?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> might be because i tried removing scim...
[12:55] <Hobbsee> well, now it's sorta here...
[12:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yes, you're sorta here ;)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> seems that you cant remove it, without causing massive trouble
[12:58] <Tm_T> uff
[12:58] <Tm_T> and you would like to remove it, because...
[12:58] <Hobbsee> to see what it did?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> i'd tested it out for freeflying...
[12:59] <Hobbsee> but had forgotten that i'd removed kubuntu-desktop, so no idea if it was crucial or not
[12:59] <Tm_T> hehe
[01:00] <Hobbsee> and i wouldnt have done that, except for the fact that i like a working touchpad lol
[01:00] <Hobbsee>  /rant :P
[02:46] <allee> Tonio__: FYI: wlassistant, dh_client problem is known upstream, but not fixed yet.  Upstream has not much free time (surprise) and no access to an dh_client maschine.
[02:47] <allee> Tonio__: so IMHO wlassistant is not good idea.  I can't promise that I have enough time to fix it myself
[02:48] <allee> Tonio__: the current cvs versions has other flaws (wrong display of channel #) so it's no real enhancement compared to 0.5.4a :(
[02:51] <Tonio__> allee: not a good news....
[02:51] <allee> Tonio__: yes. :(  
[02:52] <Tonio__> anyway, there are others tools, but wlassistant was by far the most promissing
[02:52] <Tonio__> we'll have to wait for knetworkmanager to be over maybe ;)
[02:52] <allee> Tonio__: yes.  And for a kde-app survey/eval it's too late :(
[02:53] <Tonio__> allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33668
[02:53] <Tonio__> I suggest you to have a look at this ;) it is packages for dapper, but I didn't got time to test it
[02:54] <Tonio__> hum, isn't revu supposed to be extended to 02/19 ?
[02:55] <Tonio__> I thought to freeze set to 01/19 was only for debian sync.....
[02:55] <Tonio__> there is also another one : 
[02:55] <allee> Tonio__: not sure.  but the more time the better.  And there is always my local repo ;)
[02:56] <Tonio__> allee: http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/
[02:56] <Tonio__> this one is very promissing too, and a kde frontend is in the work ;)
[02:56] <Tonio__> so with all those tools, I'm sure we'll have something rocking for dapper+1
[02:57] <allee> Tonio__: too late, I need something better than kwifimanger no.  My users complain loudly :(
[02:57] <Tonio__> the missing of good network tools is a pain with kde........... really....
[02:58] <allee> ho,ho apt-get build-dep swscanner fails
[02:58] <Tonio__> what about installing gnome tools or the moment ? qt-kde provides quite correct integration
[02:58] <Tonio__> ah ? damn :) we don't have a chance with this ;)
[02:59] <allee> Tonio__: no way ;)  kwifi isn't that bad
[02:59] <Tonio__> s/qt-kde/gtk-qt-engines
[02:59] <Tonio__> allee: I've never been able to connect to something with it ^^ I'm missing something
[03:00] <allee> Tonio__: swscanner or netswitch?
[03:00] <Tonio__> kwifimanager
[03:01] <Tonio__> I never tried netswitch or swscanner
[03:01] <allee> 'k
[03:01] <Tonio__> but I know a few persons who have tried netswitch with gnome and they were very pleased with it...
[03:01] <Tonio__> sudo is managed and the tool tested on ubuntu in the first place
[03:02] <Tonio__> that could be the tool we're waiting for, but I'm afraid the kde frontend will not be ready for 19/02
[03:03] <allee> from netswitch seems MUCH broader in scope than just a wlan manage/connect.  doesn't this conflict with networkmanger?
[03:03] <Tonio__> possibly yes.... they do the sme kind of work, dynamic management of all the network structure, local, wifi blabla
[03:04] <allee> I doubt that it's a good idea to implement 2 different network mgt.
[03:04] <allee> in kubuntu and gnome
[03:04] <Tonio__> allee: that's true
[03:04] <Tonio__> the only thing is that netswitch will have gtk AND qt frontend in a very short time....
[03:04] <allee> yeah a little app is one thing, but different frameworks would be bad
[03:05] <Tonio__> I don't have much informations concerning networkmanager qt frontend statement.....
[03:06] <Tonio__> so maybe trying to suggest the ubuntu crew to have a look at netwtich could be nice, even if I doubt their decision to encourage the networkmanager framework isn't already stopped and decided
[03:19] <allee> Tonio__: uhm, swscanner layout is ugly and buggy and it files .xsession-error with 5 lines/sec :(
[03:21] <Tonio__> allee: argh ! As I told you I didn't test it...
[03:22] <allee> Tonio__: np. was JFYI ;)
[03:22] <Tonio__> ;)
[03:22] <allee> Tonio__: I'll try netswitch from svn ..
[03:23] <Tonio__> allee: can't wait for a good network tool....
[03:23] <Tonio__> strange that the kde crue never did one....
[03:23] <Tonio__> s/crue/crew
[03:24] <allee> Tonio__: you know were the kde versio is?  Guesses kswitch kdeswitch - > no repo :(
[03:25] <Tonio__> allee: I think it is in the work....
[03:25] <allee> Tonio__: yes, so I tired svn ;)
[03:26] <Tonio__> hum that's doesn't de facto mean there is something usable ;)
[03:26] <allee> svn ls svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/netswitch -> no repo
[03:26] <allee> Tonio__: I'm just curious.
[03:27] <Tonio__> I can imagin ;) you should maybe simply ask upstream the statement.... maybe they're waiting for soething to compile before adding it to svn....
[03:28] <allee> Tonio__: not now.  Bed time overdue!
[03:28] <allee> bye
[03:28] <Tonio__> same for me ;)
[03:28] <Tonio__> nite allee 
[03:28] <allee> nite tonio
[03:57] <freeflying> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7235
[04:34] <Hobbsee> argh!!!
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you need an install cd tested?
[07:16] <Tm_T> Hobbsee_away: ?
[07:36] <Hobbsee_away> Tm_T: system is so slow - about to reinstall of dapper flight 1 - completely out of space
[07:38] <Tm_T> uff
[07:38] <Tm_T> interesting
[07:43] <freeflying_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/28659
[08:29] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan, can you please update the topic for flight3 ? thanks !
[10:48] <freeflying_> has anyone tried with flight-3 ppc live cd?
[10:50] <Riddell> freeflying_: it's broken
[10:50] <Riddell> known issue
[10:50] <freeflying_> Riddell: :(
[11:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: dose ppc install cd work ?
[11:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: yes
[11:08] <\sh> Riddell: I'll forget libvisual support until upstream solved the gcc-4 issues properly. libvisual plugins are still only compiling with gcc-3.4
[11:08] <\sh> Riddell: and I found a bugreport from doko, where he asks for fixing this
[11:14] <Riddell> \sh: ok, thanks for looking into that
[11:14] <\sh> Riddell: better to have it not in for dapper..lets deal with it for dapper+1 
[11:18] <freeflying_> Riddell, \sh: will the qtimmodule be removed , for there are problems about chinese now  
[11:24] <Riddell> freeflying_: just that crash you reported or other problems?
[11:25] <Riddell> freeflying_: suse are also having issues with the immodule patch
[11:30] <\sh> Riddell: well..we should think about disabling the patch for dapper...
[12:13] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[12:45] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[12:46] <Mez> Riddell: how do you feel about a general URL parser for katapult ?
[12:46] <Mez> something that will check with kio for valid URLs
[12:46] <Riddell> Mez: and run kfmexec on them?
[12:47] <Mez> Riddell: I'm not sure of the right command - but if thats the right command then yes
[12:47] <Riddell> well KRun internally
[12:47] <Mez> whatever will launch them properly :D
[12:47] <Riddell> sounds like a good idea yes
[12:48] <Riddell> but I always keep a konqueror open so I doubt I'd use it much
[12:49] <Mez> hehe
[12:49] <Mez> have you seen the new addition to the amarok catalog ?
[12:49] <Riddell> don't think so
[12:49] <Lathiat> i have
[12:49] <Lathiat> its awesome
[12:49] <Mez> when selecting a song, it will show the album art in the left hand side of the launch thing if there is artwork available
[12:49] <Lathiat> however itd be nice if you coudl cycle through matches
[12:49] <Lathiat> is there a shortcut for that?
[12:50] <Mez> Lathiat - not at the moment
[12:50] <Mez> it's soething we'll be introducing soon I hoe
[12:50] <Mez> hope *
[12:50] <Lathiat> ah cool
[12:50] <Mez> maybe for next version
[12:58] <Mez> Riddell, when is UVF being put in effect ?
[12:58] <Mez> hmm
[12:58] <Mez> 19th
[12:59] <Mez> hopefully we should have a copy of 0.3.1 for katapult then
[02:11] <Riddell> sealne: akademy location voting open, closes feb 1st
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sydney!
[02:16] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no sydney proposals I'm afraid.  besides I've already been there in the last 12 months
[02:16] <Mez> Riddell, UK ? :P
[02:17] <Hobbsee> pity
[02:17] <Riddell> Mez: Scotland
[02:17] <Mez> Riddell:
[02:17] <Mez> :P
[02:17] <Mez> btw - whats happening with zeroconf support in dapper
[02:17] <Riddell> also one in Ireland
[02:17] <Riddell> Mez: it's in
[02:17] <Mez> it still seems to not be woking
[02:17] <Lathiat> hows the kde side of things?
[02:17] <Riddell> what's not working about it?
[02:17] <Lathiat> my krdc wont start atm due to missing libkdnssd
[02:17] <Lathiat> krdc: error while loading shared libraries: libkdnssd.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:17] <Mez> well - I've had to install a load of extra deps - and all i get now is a blank screen on zeroconf:/
[02:18] <Lathiat> Mez: is anything advertising?
[02:18] <Mez> Lathiat: should be
[02:18] <Lathiat> try avahi-discover
[02:18] <Lathiat> from avahi-utils
[02:18] <Riddell> Lathiat: libkdnssd.so.1 is part of kdelibs4c2a
[02:19] <Lathiat> which is installed
[02:19] <Riddell> latest version?
[02:19] <Lathiat> oh hangon
[02:19] <Lathiat> i installed libkdnssd-avahi at some port
[02:19] <Lathiat> point
[02:19] <Lathiat> and while now deinstalled
[02:19] <Lathiat> it seems to have left the diversion in place
[02:19] <Lathiat> how do i undivert something?
[02:21] <Lathiat> ah, there we go
[02:21] <Mez> bash: avahi-discover: command not found
[02:21] <Lathiat> Mez: did you install avahi-utils?
[02:21] <Mez> yup
[02:22] <Lathiat> errr
[02:22] <Lathiat> maybe it got split out and i didnt notice
[02:22] <Lathiat> ah, so it did
[02:22] <Lathiat> avahi-discover
[02:28] <Lathiat> hr
[02:28] <Lathiat> i think python2.4-avahi is incorrectly depending on python2.4-glade vs -glade2
[02:30] <sealne> Riddell: ta
[03:27] <freeflying> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535
[04:10] <freeflying> Riddell: plz have a look on these , they something have problems aboout CJK 
[04:10] <freeflying> Riddell: http://kubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/17/bugs-have-been-reported-in-dapper-about-cjk/
[04:15] <Riddell> freeflying: your blog?
[04:15] <Riddell> hello DoeRayMe 
[04:16] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[04:17] <DoeRayMe> hey
[04:19] <DoeRayMe> i just wanna say how great kubuntu is, Dapper is going to be awesome, Adept is coming along really good, aswell as kde-systemsettings and kde-guidance ;) btw will KDE 3.5.1 be included in Dapper? due out the 20th
[04:21] <Tm_T> DoeRayMe: prolly even 3.5.2
[04:22] <Tm_T> DoeRayMe: if no other way, extra repository like 3.5 in breezy
[04:23] <DoeRayMe> great, cant wait :)
[04:26] <Tm_T> DoeRayMe: this is just how I think things goes, so... ;)
[05:01] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:01] <Riddell> Mez: hi
[05:02] <Mez> Riddell: you changed the version number of katapult in last uploaad....
[05:02] <Mez> we're going to be making a release soon - what would you suggest as the best "version" number for it
[05:06] <Riddell> Mez: 0.3.0
[05:06] <Mez> Riddell, ah fair enough
[05:06] <Mez> I'm gonna use 0.3.1 just to be on the safe side :D
[05:06] <Riddell> ah, the debian method of versioning
[05:07] <Mez> ... ?
[05:07] <Mez> what do you mean by that?
[05:08] <Riddell> debian never had a 1.0 release because someone else took a beta or something and sold it as 1.0
[05:08] <Riddell> so they jumped to 1.1
[05:08] <Mez> yeah
[05:08] <Mez> basically that :D
[05:09] <Riddell> Mez: can you get amarok 1.3.8 into backports?
[05:10] <Mez> Riddell: I'll look later
[05:10] <Mez> can you email me and remind me
[05:10] <Mez> have you checked build on dapper?
[05:10] <Mez> breezy *
[05:11] <Riddell> I have not
[05:11] <Riddell> no reason for it not to work though
[05:16] <Riddell> Mez: we need that "katapult has started" popup notify turned off for starting up on a resumed session
[05:48] <Mez> Riddell: it is off for resumed sessions!
[05:49] <Riddell> Mez: oh cool, sorted then
[05:50] <Mez> Its been like that for a while :D
[05:50] <Mez> lol
[05:50] <Mez> it's where I got the patch from for yakuake to do the same thing :d
[06:19] <\sh> Riddell: did you see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535 ?
[06:21] <Riddell> \sh: yep, no immediate ideas except removing immodule patch from qt
[06:21] <Riddell> which would be a shame
[06:22] <\sh> Riddell: well..if I read the bugreport the right way, kate is loading it, but kate uses as well xim wuth nabi then. So it can be kmail, akregator or glibc
[06:26] <\sh> dinner time...brb
[06:35] <Riddell> \sh: I can confirm that problem with the attached e-mail, kmail doesn't give a backtrace though
[06:41] <\sh> sh*t
[07:02] <Riddell> Lathiat: any idea how to get libnss-mdns working?
[08:02] <Riddell> mdz: ping, able to talk about KubuntuDapperPackageManager?
[08:55] <allee> eh, no Tonio :(
[08:59] <mdz> Riddell: ok
[08:59] <mdz> what's up?
[09:03] <mdz> Riddell: ack, TB meeting starting
[09:45] <teprrr> evenings
[09:45] <teprrr> how about getting a package for this: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30745 ?
[10:02] <allee> Hi Tonio_ what happened with codeine in REVU?  Is also a nice, did you find bugs like in wlassistant?
[10:04] <Tonio_> allee: nope, it build correctly, but leaves many, many files when doing a debuild && debuild -S -sa
[10:05] <Tonio_> lots of modified binaries etc....
[10:05] <Tonio_> sounds like a pain to build packages with scons........
[10:05] <Tonio_> I didn't find time to investigate....
[10:08] <Tonio_> I have to do, but well, I have less time actually....
[10:23] <teprrr> congrats if so.. afaik kde4 will be using kbsys+scons :)
[10:26] <Riddell> mdz: was just about the meeting you suggested with you, me and mornfall to get the KubuntuDapperPackageManager spec sorted but looks like he's gone to bed
[10:36] <allee> Tonio_: okay I'll have a look.
[10:38] <allee> Riddell: [23:49]  <allee> Riddell: digikam 0.8.1 with -S -sa at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/  Can you have a look (without uploading yet, because if someone find a real showstopper the tarball may change until officially announced on Wednesday)
[10:38] <Riddell> the things one misses when going to bed at a reasonable hour
[10:39] <allee> :) np.
[11:26] <allee> Tonio_: that was easy! with your debian/* and my old codeine rules files, .diff is stays clean. Lintian warn about missing manpage, but this can wait a bit
[11:32] <Riddell> allee: digikam looks good
[11:33] <allee> Riddell: okay.  I'll ping you again when it's sure that upstream tarball will not be remade. okay?
[11:33] <Riddell> allee: cool
[11:34] <allee> Riddell: is their interest to get codeine video into dapper?  I rebuild it here for me but maybe other like it too
[11:34] <Riddell> allee: sure
[11:34] <Tonio_> allee: cool :) you've merged my debian and your roules so ? ;)
[11:34] <Riddell> I seem to remember someone doing it though
[11:34] <Tonio_> I'd like to see it.... I really have a problem with scons packages........
[11:34] <Riddell> allee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1154
[11:35] <Riddell> ah, you've seen that
[11:35] <allee> Tonio_: yeah. My rules files is an old ugly dh_make one, but it works somehow. ;)
[11:35] <Tonio_> I couldn't imagin a board could be so complicated........ that's a nightmare
[11:35] <allee> Tonio_: I never bothered to fill more that just rules.  So nevertheless you did the build of work ;)
[11:36] <Riddell> allee: you have codeine ready to upload?
[11:36] <allee> s/build/buld/
[11:36] <Tonio_> allee: the name on the package isn't important ;) What imports to me is that the app is available on the repos, so upload it if you have done it ;)
[11:36] <allee> Riddell: give me a bit more time.  I go through debian/* 
[11:37] <Tonio_> codeine is a very good player, would be sad not to have it for dapper :)
[11:37] <Riddell> sure, you have until Thursday :)
[11:37] <allee> Okay, I'll upload to revu what I have, to your test.  I only want to polish a pit
[11:37] <allee> and reupload again.
[11:38] <Tonio_> allee: finally what is frozen on thursday concerning revu ? I feel a bit lost....
[11:38] <Tonio_> I thought packages approval was okay until 19/02, am I wrong ?
[11:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm lost too actually
[11:39] <Riddell> NEW is ok until sometime, not sure about new upstreams of existing packages
[11:39] <Tonio_> What I read was that debian sync was frozen
[11:39] <allee> Tonio_: ask Riddell. Your question yesterday confused me too.  But before 19th is save ;)
[11:39] <Tonio_> but revu and ubuntu specific packages where uploadable until 19/02
[11:39] <Tonio_> maybe I'm wrong........
[11:40] <Tonio_> need to ask siretart or dholbach....
[11:41] <allee> Tonio_: do you have a .dput.cf REVU entry?
[11:42] <Tonio_> allee: yep
[11:42] <Tonio_> don't you ?
[11:42] <Tonio_> email me the source package and I'll upload :)
[11:43] <Riddell> [revu] 
[11:43] <Riddell> fqdn = revu.tauware.de
[11:43] <Riddell> incoming = /incoming
[11:43] <Riddell> login = anonymous
[11:43] <allee> THX!
[11:44] <allee> nite
[11:46] <Tonio_> nite Riddell 
[11:46] <Tonio_> allee: finally you have access ?
[11:47] <allee> Tonio_: just remembered that I did not pbuild.  currently running. Puh!
[11:47] <Tonio_> :)
[11:48] <allee> Tonio_: about your other old revu baby kmplayer.  Did you hear from jpatrick, he wanted to work on it.
[11:49] <Tonio_> allee: nope, but my package is comptlely crappy ;) it is one of the first packages I did, when I didn't knew how to do it correctly....
[11:49] <Tonio_> jpatrick should really start from scratch ;)
[11:50] <allee> Tonio_: don't know if you used your or the one from kde svn. 
[11:50] <allee> Tonio_: I would like to see it in dapper too because of the embeddable viewer
[11:50] <Tonio_> yep... I use stable version, not svn
[11:51] <Tonio_> s/use/used
[11:51] <allee> mhm digikam breezy needs relaxed build depends :(
[11:51] <allee> Tonio_: yeah, I mean kde svn has a debian dir maybe he used this as a start
[11:52] <Tonio_> allee: ah okay :)