=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] anyone had trouble with the latest updates (ie. bugtracker), and a lot of the kde programs crashing on launch? [12:10] allee: ok, looks ok as far as i can judge, which is very, very limited === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:32] something tells me this will require lots of bug filing - many kde programs (including kopete, konversation, konsole) are all crashing when i try starting them. weird. [12:52] :o [12:53] Hobbsee: start from konsole [12:53] I smell glibc [12:54] Tm_T, konsole's crashing too [12:54] uff [12:54] xterm? [12:54] might be because i tried removing scim... [12:55] well, now it's sorta here... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] Hobbsee: yes, you're sorta here ;) === Hobbsee glares at scim [12:58] seems that you cant remove it, without causing massive trouble [12:58] uff [12:58] and you would like to remove it, because... [12:58] to see what it did? [12:58] i'd tested it out for freeflying... [12:59] but had forgotten that i'd removed kubuntu-desktop, so no idea if it was crucial or not [12:59] hehe [01:00] and i wouldnt have done that, except for the fact that i like a working touchpad lol [01:00] /rant :P === toma [i=toma@ip83.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6340.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] Tonio__: FYI: wlassistant, dh_client problem is known upstream, but not fixed yet. Upstream has not much free time (surprise) and no access to an dh_client maschine. [02:47] Tonio__: so IMHO wlassistant is not good idea. I can't promise that I have enough time to fix it myself [02:48] Tonio__: the current cvs versions has other flaws (wrong display of channel #) so it's no real enhancement compared to 0.5.4a :( [02:51] allee: not a good news.... [02:51] Tonio__: yes. :( [02:52] anyway, there are others tools, but wlassistant was by far the most promissing [02:52] we'll have to wait for knetworkmanager to be over maybe ;) [02:52] Tonio__: yes. And for a kde-app survey/eval it's too late :( [02:53] allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33668 [02:53] I suggest you to have a look at this ;) it is packages for dapper, but I didn't got time to test it [02:54] hum, isn't revu supposed to be extended to 02/19 ? [02:55] I thought to freeze set to 01/19 was only for debian sync..... [02:55] there is also another one : [02:55] Tonio__: not sure. but the more time the better. And there is always my local repo ;) === allee install swscanner ... [02:56] allee: http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/ [02:56] this one is very promissing too, and a kde frontend is in the work ;) [02:56] so with all those tools, I'm sure we'll have something rocking for dapper+1 [02:57] Tonio__: too late, I need something better than kwifimanger no. My users complain loudly :( [02:57] the missing of good network tools is a pain with kde........... really.... [02:58] ho,ho apt-get build-dep swscanner fails [02:58] what about installing gnome tools or the moment ? qt-kde provides quite correct integration [02:58] ah ? damn :) we don't have a chance with this ;) [02:59] Tonio__: no way ;) kwifi isn't that bad [02:59] s/qt-kde/gtk-qt-engines [02:59] allee: I've never been able to connect to something with it ^^ I'm missing something [03:00] Tonio__: swscanner or netswitch? [03:00] kwifimanager [03:01] I never tried netswitch or swscanner [03:01] 'k [03:01] but I know a few persons who have tried netswitch with gnome and they were very pleased with it... [03:01] sudo is managed and the tool tested on ubuntu in the first place [03:02] that could be the tool we're waiting for, but I'm afraid the kde frontend will not be ready for 19/02 [03:03] from netswitch seems MUCH broader in scope than just a wlan manage/connect. doesn't this conflict with networkmanger? === allee wonder what the gnome goal/route for dapper and dapper++ is. [03:03] possibly yes.... they do the sme kind of work, dynamic management of all the network structure, local, wifi blabla [03:04] I doubt that it's a good idea to implement 2 different network mgt. [03:04] in kubuntu and gnome [03:04] allee: that's true [03:04] the only thing is that netswitch will have gtk AND qt frontend in a very short time.... [03:04] yeah a little app is one thing, but different frameworks would be bad [03:05] I don't have much informations concerning networkmanager qt frontend statement..... [03:06] so maybe trying to suggest the ubuntu crew to have a look at netwtich could be nice, even if I doubt their decision to encourage the networkmanager framework isn't already stopped and decided === |Hobbsee| [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:19] Tonio__: uhm, swscanner layout is ugly and buggy and it files .xsession-error with 5 lines/sec :( [03:21] allee: argh ! As I told you I didn't test it... [03:22] Tonio__: np. was JFYI ;) [03:22] ;) [03:22] Tonio__: I'll try netswitch from svn .. [03:23] allee: can't wait for a good network tool.... [03:23] strange that the kde crue never did one.... [03:23] s/crue/crew [03:24] Tonio__: you know were the kde versio is? Guesses kswitch kdeswitch - > no repo :( [03:25] allee: I think it is in the work.... [03:25] Tonio__: yes, so I tired svn ;) [03:26] hum that's doesn't de facto mean there is something usable ;) [03:26] svn ls svn://svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/netswitch -> no repo [03:26] Tonio__: I'm just curious. [03:27] I can imagin ;) you should maybe simply ask upstream the statement.... maybe they're waiting for soething to compile before adding it to svn.... [03:28] Tonio__: not now. Bed time overdue! [03:28] bye [03:28] same for me ;) [03:28] nite allee [03:28] nite tonio === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef_aw [n=loic@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:57] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7235 === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] argh!!! [04:34] Riddell: you need an install cd tested? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:16] Hobbsee_away: ? === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:36] Tm_T: system is so slow - about to reinstall of dapper flight 1 - completely out of space [07:38] uff [07:38] interesting [07:43] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/28659 === pef_aw is now known as pef === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:29] Riddell: hello Jonathan, can you please update the topic for flight3 ? thanks ! === pef is now known as pef_aw === Hobbsee [n=sarah@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A6309A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:48] has anyone tried with flight-3 ppc live cd? === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] freeflying_: it's broken [10:50] known issue [10:50] Riddell: :( === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : UVF on Thursday | Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/ [11:00] Riddell: dose ppc install cd work ? [11:01] freeflying_: yes [11:08] <\sh> Riddell: I'll forget libvisual support until upstream solved the gcc-4 issues properly. libvisual plugins are still only compiling with gcc-3.4 [11:08] <\sh> Riddell: and I found a bugreport from doko, where he asks for fixing this === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:14] \sh: ok, thanks for looking into that [11:14] <\sh> Riddell: better to have it not in for dapper..lets deal with it for dapper+1 [11:18] Riddell, \sh: will the qtimmodule be removed , for there are problems about chinese now [11:24] freeflying_: just that crash you reported or other problems? [11:25] freeflying_: suse are also having issues with the immodule patch [11:30] <\sh> Riddell: well..we should think about disabling the patch for dapper... === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:13] Riddell: ping === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:45] Mez: hi [12:46] Riddell: how do you feel about a general URL parser for katapult ? [12:46] something that will check with kio for valid URLs [12:46] Mez: and run kfmexec on them? [12:47] Riddell: I'm not sure of the right command - but if thats the right command then yes [12:47] well KRun internally [12:47] whatever will launch them properly :D [12:47] sounds like a good idea yes [12:48] but I always keep a konqueror open so I doubt I'd use it much [12:49] hehe [12:49] have you seen the new addition to the amarok catalog ? [12:49] don't think so [12:49] i have [12:49] its awesome [12:49] when selecting a song, it will show the album art in the left hand side of the launch thing if there is artwork available [12:49] however itd be nice if you coudl cycle through matches [12:49] is there a shortcut for that? [12:50] Lathiat - not at the moment [12:50] it's soething we'll be introducing soon I hoe [12:50] hope * [12:50] ah cool [12:50] maybe for next version [12:58] Riddell, when is UVF being put in effect ? [12:58] hmm [12:58] 19th [12:59] hopefully we should have a copy of 0.3.1 for katapult then === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] sealne: akademy location voting open, closes feb 1st [02:16] Riddell: sydney! [02:16] :P [02:16] Hobbsee: no sydney proposals I'm afraid. besides I've already been there in the last 12 months [02:16] Riddell, UK ? :P === Hobbsee frowns [02:17] pity [02:17] Mez: Scotland [02:17] Riddell: [02:17] :P [02:17] btw - whats happening with zeroconf support in dapper [02:17] also one in Ireland [02:17] Mez: it's in [02:17] it still seems to not be woking [02:17] hows the kde side of things? [02:17] what's not working about it? [02:17] my krdc wont start atm due to missing libkdnssd [02:17] krdc: error while loading shared libraries: libkdnssd.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [02:17] well - I've had to install a load of extra deps - and all i get now is a blank screen on zeroconf:/ [02:18] Mez: is anything advertising? [02:18] Lathiat: should be [02:18] try avahi-discover [02:18] from avahi-utils [02:18] Lathiat: libkdnssd.so.1 is part of kdelibs4c2a [02:19] which is installed [02:19] latest version? [02:19] oh hangon [02:19] i installed libkdnssd-avahi at some port [02:19] point [02:19] and while now deinstalled [02:19] it seems to have left the diversion in place [02:19] how do i undivert something? [02:21] ah, there we go [02:21] bash: avahi-discover: command not found [02:21] Mez: did you install avahi-utils? [02:21] yup [02:22] errr [02:22] maybe it got split out and i didnt notice [02:22] ah, so it did [02:22] avahi-discover [02:28] hr [02:28] i think python2.4-avahi is incorrectly depending on python2.4-glade vs -glade2 [02:30] Riddell: ta === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535 === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] Riddell: plz have a look on these , they something have problems aboout CJK [04:10] Riddell: http://kubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/17/bugs-have-been-reported-in-dapper-about-cjk/ === Doe [n=will@ACD79689.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Doe [n=will@ACD79689.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACD79689.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACD79689.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] freeflying: your blog? [04:15] hello DoeRayMe [04:16] Riddell: y [04:17] hey [04:19] i just wanna say how great kubuntu is, Dapper is going to be awesome, Adept is coming along really good, aswell as kde-systemsettings and kde-guidance ;) btw will KDE 3.5.1 be included in Dapper? due out the 20th [04:21] DoeRayMe: prolly even 3.5.2 [04:22] DoeRayMe: if no other way, extra repository like 3.5 in breezy [04:23] great, cant wait :) === _rockie [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] DoeRayMe: this is just how I think things goes, so... ;) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0710.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] Riddell: ping [05:01] Mez: hi [05:02] Riddell: you changed the version number of katapult in last uploaad.... [05:02] we're going to be making a release soon - what would you suggest as the best "version" number for it [05:06] Mez: 0.3.0 [05:06] Riddell, ah fair enough [05:06] I'm gonna use 0.3.1 just to be on the safe side :D [05:06] ah, the debian method of versioning [05:07] ... ? [05:07] what do you mean by that? [05:08] debian never had a 1.0 release because someone else took a beta or something and sold it as 1.0 [05:08] so they jumped to 1.1 [05:08] yeah [05:08] basically that :D [05:09] Mez: can you get amarok 1.3.8 into backports? [05:10] Riddell: I'll look later [05:10] can you email me and remind me [05:10] have you checked build on dapper? [05:10] breezy * [05:11] I have not [05:11] no reason for it not to work though [05:16] Mez: we need that "katapult has started" popup notify turned off for starting up on a resumed session === pef_aw is now known as pef [05:48] Riddell: it is off for resumed sessions! [05:49] Mez: oh cool, sorted then [05:50] Its been like that for a while :D [05:50] lol [05:50] it's where I got the patch from for yakuake to do the same thing :d [06:19] <\sh> Riddell: did you see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/28535 ? [06:21] \sh: yep, no immediate ideas except removing immodule patch from qt [06:21] which would be a shame [06:22] <\sh> Riddell: well..if I read the bugreport the right way, kate is loading it, but kate uses as well xim wuth nabi then. So it can be kmail, akregator or glibc [06:26] <\sh> dinner time...brb [06:35] \sh: I can confirm that problem with the attached e-mail, kmail doesn't give a backtrace though [06:41] <\sh> sh*t === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0710.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:02] Lathiat: any idea how to get libnss-mdns working? === raphink [n=raphink@c529d3992.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [08:02] mdz: ping, able to talk about KubuntuDapperPackageManager? === Hobbsee watches interestedly, waiting for mdz to respond === pef is now known as pef_aw === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:55] eh, no Tonio :( === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:59] Riddell: ok [08:59] what's up? [09:03] Riddell: ack, TB meeting starting === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DoeRayMe [n=will@ACD8D4C8.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Panzerboy [n=stelu@unaffiliated/panzerboy] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Panzerboy [n=stelu@unaffiliated/panzerboy] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:45] evenings [09:45] how about getting a package for this: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30745 ? [10:02] Hi Tonio_ what happened with codeine in REVU? Is also a nice, did you find bugs like in wlassistant? [10:04] allee: nope, it build correctly, but leaves many, many files when doing a debuild && debuild -S -sa [10:05] lots of modified binaries etc.... [10:05] sounds like a pain to build packages with scons........ [10:05] I didn't find time to investigate.... [10:08] I have to do, but well, I have less time actually.... [10:23] congrats if so.. afaik kde4 will be using kbsys+scons :) [10:26] mdz: was just about the meeting you suggested with you, me and mornfall to get the KubuntuDapperPackageManager spec sorted but looks like he's gone to bed [10:36] Tonio_: okay I'll have a look. [10:38] Riddell: [23:49] Riddell: digikam 0.8.1 with -S -sa at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/ Can you have a look (without uploading yet, because if someone find a real showstopper the tarball may change until officially announced on Wednesday) === allee just want to prevent last minutes comments and changes ;) [10:38] the things one misses when going to bed at a reasonable hour [10:39] :) np. === raphink [n=raphink@c529d3992.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] Tonio_: that was easy! with your debian/* and my old codeine rules files, .diff is stays clean. Lintian warn about missing manpage, but this can wait a bit [11:32] allee: digikam looks good [11:33] Riddell: okay. I'll ping you again when it's sure that upstream tarball will not be remade. okay? [11:33] allee: cool [11:34] Riddell: is their interest to get codeine video into dapper? I rebuild it here for me but maybe other like it too [11:34] allee: sure [11:34] allee: cool :) you've merged my debian and your roules so ? ;) [11:34] I seem to remember someone doing it though [11:34] I'd like to see it.... I really have a problem with scons packages........ [11:34] allee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1154 [11:35] ah, you've seen that [11:35] Tonio_: yeah. My rules files is an old ugly dh_make one, but it works somehow. ;) === Tonio_ is configuring a vbulletin board... [11:35] I couldn't imagin a board could be so complicated........ that's a nightmare [11:35] Tonio_: I never bothered to fill more that just rules. So nevertheless you did the build of work ;) [11:36] allee: you have codeine ready to upload? [11:36] s/build/buld/ [11:36] allee: the name on the package isn't important ;) What imports to me is that the app is available on the repos, so upload it if you have done it ;) [11:36] Riddell: give me a bit more time. I go through debian/* [11:37] codeine is a very good player, would be sad not to have it for dapper :) [11:37] sure, you have until Thursday :) [11:37] Okay, I'll upload to revu what I have, to your test. I only want to polish a pit [11:37] and reupload again. === allee is curious if his revu account is expired after more than 6 month [11:38] allee: finally what is frozen on thursday concerning revu ? I feel a bit lost.... [11:38] I thought packages approval was okay until 19/02, am I wrong ? [11:38] Tonio_: I'm lost too actually [11:39] NEW is ok until sometime, not sure about new upstreams of existing packages [11:39] What I read was that debian sync was frozen [11:39] Tonio_: ask Riddell. Your question yesterday confused me too. But before 19th is save ;) [11:39] but revu and ubuntu specific packages where uploadable until 19/02 [11:39] maybe I'm wrong........ [11:40] need to ask siretart or dholbach.... [11:41] Tonio_: do you have a .dput.cf REVU entry? [11:42] allee: yep [11:42] don't you ? [11:42] email me the source package and I'll upload :) [11:43] [revu] [11:43] fqdn = revu.tauware.de [11:43] incoming = /incoming [11:43] login = anonymous [11:43] THX! === Riddell beds [11:44] nite [11:46] nite Riddell [11:46] allee: finally you have access ? [11:47] Tonio_: just remembered that I did not pbuild. currently running. Puh! [11:47] :) [11:48] Tonio_: about your other old revu baby kmplayer. Did you hear from jpatrick, he wanted to work on it. [11:49] allee: nope, but my package is comptlely crappy ;) it is one of the first packages I did, when I didn't knew how to do it correctly.... [11:49] jpatrick should really start from scratch ;) [11:50] Tonio_: don't know if you used your or the one from kde svn. [11:50] Tonio_: I would like to see it in dapper too because of the embeddable viewer [11:50] yep... I use stable version, not svn [11:51] s/use/used [11:51] mhm digikam breezy needs relaxed build depends :( [11:51] Tonio_: yeah, I mean kde svn has a debian dir maybe he used this as a start [11:52] allee: ah okay :)