[12:09] <phin> anyone using dapper?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Phin: yep
[12:11] <phin> Hobbsee: with an older nvidia card?
[12:12] <vectoralpha> does anyone know how to determine a disks volume serial number w/o opening up the computer
[12:12] <phin> i notice none of the new kernel legacy stuff is in the kernel :=\
[12:12] <Hobbsee> phin, no nvidia card on here, sorry
[12:12] <vectoralpha> preferably in console
[12:12] <phin> Hobbsee: ok thanks, ima just tinker with it and see what i can do!
[12:13] <charwood> vectoralpha: hdparm -i /dev/hda
[12:13] <charwood> (assuming you want your primary IDE drive)
[12:13] <hawking> is there a way to set alarm on kde? I need to wake up early tomorrow and my cellphone is dead
[12:13] <vectoralpha> charwood, thanks a bunch
[12:13] <charwood> Sure thing.
[12:14] <charwood> hawking: You can use kontact and create a new event.
[12:15] <charwood> hawking: But you can also use your favorite package manager and install kalarm - a much simpler program that will do what you want.
[12:15] <hawking> charwood : oh yeah that's what I want :)
[12:16] <hawking> thx
[12:18] <charwood> hawking: No problem.  (-8
[12:20] <x999> is nalioth about?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> x999: he's sleeping
[12:30] <melonipoika> hi robotgeek
[12:30] <melonipoika> i discoverd that my bios doesn't support usb booting :(
[12:30] <melonipoika> jeje
[12:31] <melonipoika> and i realized that once i did everything
[12:32] <robotgeek> melonipoika: uggh, you are in for a tough time then
[12:33] <melonipoika> what is your recomendation now?
[12:34] <melonipoika> do you think it is possible to boot from the normal hard disk?
[12:34] <knoppix__> Hi, I tried to boot my computer this morning, and it is hanging on the 'laodmodules' section.  in the debug mode it is stoping on "ts: Compaq touchscreen protocol ouput" as I dont have a touch screen I thought I would remove this. how can I ?
[12:34] <melonipoika> i mean, to add a line to menu.lst
[12:36] <Keyseir> Does anyone here have experience with MUDs and MUD clients?
[12:39] <melonipoika> ok, i will try :D
[12:39] <melonipoika> bye!
[12:47] <nrdb> my computer has stopped booting correctly. it hangs on loading the modeule "ts: Compaq touchsceen protocol output" can anyone help?
[01:07] <daaaman64> Is there a super user file browser anywhere? And if so, how can I accuire it?
[01:08] <nrdb> daaaman64: can't you just run a file browser with sudo?
[01:08] <daaaman64> can I just do that?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> kdesu konqueror
[01:09] <JohnFlux> daaaman64: or  click on the K menu, then internet->konqueror.   but right click it instead of left click
[01:09] <daaaman64> thank you, I came from distro that had those already. :P
[01:09] <JohnFlux> daaaman64: then chose 'put in run menu'  then Options   then run as user
[01:09] <JohnFlux> it's a bit long :/
[01:09] <daaaman64> That is cool though john, make it easy for the future.
[01:09] <Keyseir> Anyone know about Multi User Dungeon applications? I'm looking for something that allows selectively squelching incoming strings.
[01:10] <JohnFlux> Keyseir: yeah kde has an excellent mud client
[01:11] <Keyseir> JohnFlux: Does it squelch? And what's it called ;-)
[01:11] <JohnFlux> Keyseir: I forget the name.  google for it :P
[01:11] <JohnFlux> kmud
[01:11] <Keyseir> kmud squelches?
[01:12] <Keyseir> I think it had a problem with my version of Qt....
[01:12] <JohnFlux> Keyseir: i don't know.  google it
[01:12] <nrdb> my computer has stopped booting correctly. it hangs on loading the modeule "ts: Compaq touchsceen protocol output" is there a way to remove this?
[01:12] <Keyseir> Thanks for the tip..
[01:12] <JohnFlux> nrdb: you can just delete the module :)
[01:13] <nrdb> JohnFlux, do you know where it is?
[01:17] <JohnFlux> nrdb: /lib/modules/2.*/kernel/drivers/input/tsdev.ko    I think
[01:17] <daaaman64> kubuntu is very cool, but I have to do a netinstall on my laptop cause it doesn't like ubuntu and kubuntu boot discs for some reason.
[01:18] <JohnFlux> daaaman64: some laptops just don't like booting from writable cd's
[01:19] <daaaman64> well it works on other distro's just not the ubuntu family for some reason.
[01:21] <nrdb> JohnFlux, you are correct, can I just rename it?
[01:22] <JohnFlux> nrdb: of course I'm correct.  *grins*
[01:22] <g3nuin3> hi all
[01:22] <JohnFlux> nrdb: i guess you can rename it.  not sure that's the nicest way though.....
[01:22] <g3nuin3> Im fairly new to this distro, id like to know if it comes with kdevelop, if so how do i access it?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> g3nuin3: sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[01:23] <g3nuin3> thanks
[01:23] <nrdb> JohnFlux, ok. i will move it the trash drawer.
[01:25] <_g3nuin3> hmm
[01:25] <_g3nuin3> it asks me for a pw, i know this distro doesn thave a root but it wont take the pw that i use to login
[01:25] <_g3nuin3> >.>
[01:26] <_g3nuin3> Is using VMWare got anything to do with my problems, i cant access anything and it wont take any pqw
[01:26] <_g3nuin3> pw*
[01:28] <lophyte> hey everyone, I'm using breezy and trying to get my dvd burner+external usb enclosure working but I'm not having any success and I can't find anything detailed on the net.. can anyone point me in the right direction?
[01:28] <JohnFlux> _g3nuin3: you can set a root password by doing:   sudo passwd   in a command line
[01:28] <JohnFlux> lophyte: #k3b
[01:28] <lophyte> the drive isn't being recognized at all, its not a k3b issue
[01:29] <_g3nuin3> E: Couldn't find package kdevelop
[01:30] <lophyte> I fear that the external USB enclosure just isn't supported but I'm hoping someone can tell me otherwise :\
[01:30] <JohnFlux> lophyte: have a look in dmesg
[01:31] <lophyte> hrm.. all I've got there are kernel module loading messages
[01:31] <lophyte> ie. "USB Mass Storage Support registered" etc.
[01:32] <lophyte> nothing device-specific :\
[01:32] <_g3nuin3> dammit, its not finding the package
[01:32] <_g3nuin3> kdevelop
[01:32] <charwood> _g3nuin3: I think that it is kdevelop3
[01:34] <_g3nuin3> thats a negative charwood
[01:34] <lophyte> brb
[01:34] <charwood> Probably a sources.list problem.  I can apt-cache search kdevelop3 and get plenty of hits.  I have it installed.
[01:35] <charwood> Want to pastebin your sources.list/
[01:35] <_g3nuin3> where is that located ?
[01:35] <_g3nuin3> new nix user here :)
[01:35] <charwood> _g3nuin3: Good for you.
[01:35] <nrdb> JohnFlux, I moved the file now to reset and see if it works ok now.
[01:35] <charwood> It is in /etc/apt
 CyberMad: mine looks like that http://pastebin.com/508043   (sources.list)
[01:36] <CyberMad> __Ace__ /etc/apt
[01:36] <CyberMad> see my link
[01:37] <_g3nuin3> http://pastebin.com/509099
[01:37] <_g3nuin3> here you go charwood
[01:39] <charwood> Shoot.  I'm in Dapper.  Try uncommenting (Erase the # at the beginning of) lines 19 and 20, and then apt-get update again.
[01:39] <_g3nuin3> to me?
[01:40] <CyberMad> how to backup my linux box easily? like ghost or something..
[01:40] <charwood> _g3nuin3: Yes sor/
[01:40] <_g3nuin3> ach i need write aacces to it, sec
[01:40] <lophyte> gah, can't get this working
[01:41] <kookanurranz67> may i please ask someone who knows about Kubuntu a question about Printers?
[01:41] <_g3nuin3> charwood: it will not let me change the permissions on the file
[01:42] <charwood> _g3nuin3: kdesu /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:42] <_g3nuin3> any way of doing it via the terminal?
[01:43] <_g3nuin3> hmm
[01:43] <charwood> _g3nuin3: Shoot.  Should have been "kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:43] <charwood> Sorry.
[01:43] <charwood> It was probably mighty confused.  (-8
[01:43] <_g3nuin3> it was
[01:43] <_g3nuin3> hehe
[01:43] <_g3nuin3> i put that in the shell?
[01:44] <charwood> _g3nuin3: Or in alt-F2
[01:44] <charwood> _g3nuin3: I'll break it down so you learn something: kdesu allows you to run a single command as root if you type in your password and are in the "sudoers" file (which you are by default in kubuntu)
[01:45] <charwood> kwrite is just a text editing program in KDE.
[01:45] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 do: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <CyberMad> if u don't know about vi, then google for the manual
[01:45] <charwood> _g3nuin3: CyberMad's way will let you do it all in the terminal (but that's assuming you can use vi)  (-8
[01:45] <_g3nuin3> whats vi
[01:46] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 do google
[01:46] <charwood> _g3nuin3: It's a really, really powerful text editor that takes a lot of getting used to but eventually becomes your best friend.
[01:46] <CyberMad> ok, i'm in good mood today.. i will guide you
[01:46] <CyberMad> have you enter the terminal?
[01:46] <conn> hi, I installed clearlooks via apt-get and it's not showing up in the gtk2 theme list, can someone help?
[01:46] <kookanurranz67> I am attempting to find out about which brand of printers to use in Kubuntu
[01:47] <charwood> kookanurranz67: I'm no expert but HP generally has pretty good linux support.
[01:47] <cyberbuddy> anyone here used wingrub to load kubuntu?
[01:47] <_g3nuin3> ok well ive entered the command seems it executed sucessfully, but i did get alot of warnings in the terminal, kwrite is open
[01:47] <ninnghizidha> vi is far to complex to use it without years of expirience.
[01:47] <_g3nuin3> but nothing is in the editor
[01:47] <charwood> kookanurranz67: Or at least their printers division does.  (-8
[01:47] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 close kwrite
[01:48] <kookanurranz67> where should i find the drivers?  lol no kidding
[01:48] <_g3nuin3> Invalid entry (missing '=') at /tmp/kde-root/kconf_updateOYuROa.tmp:1
[01:48] <_g3nuin3> ok
[01:48] <_g3nuin3> thats was the last thing on the terminal btw
[01:48] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 and anything editor that related to sources.list
[01:48] <_g3nuin3> ok
[01:48] <charwood> _g3nuin3: If I were you I'd just make the change in kwrite (it's much easier than vi) and learn vi when you have a couple hours on your hands.
[01:48] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 have you did: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:49] <charwood> CyberMad: BUt go ahead and be my guest and guide this padawan in the ways of the vim.
[01:49] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 then you must enter your root password
[01:49] <_g3nuin3> ok ok, now ill do that in terminal
[01:49] <CyberMad> charwood i'm just in good mood
[01:49] <CyberMad> :)
[01:50] <CyberMad> and of course.. i'm not expert in vi
[01:50] <_g3nuin3> it says that : command not found, are there any spaces somewhere i need to know of?>
[01:50] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 ok, make it easier... do: sudo -s
[01:50] <_g3nuin3> i got it
[01:50] <_g3nuin3> :)
[01:50] <_g3nuin3> ok
[01:51] <_g3nuin3> Im guessing this black screen is vi
[01:51] <bimberi> cmdstats
[01:51] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 is there the sources.list like charwood post at pastebin?
[01:51] <kookanurranz67> thankyou for your help charwood
[01:52] <_g3nuin3> well it is empty and on the bottom it says the location but [New File]  next to it
[01:52] <Hobbsee> !sources
[01:52] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[01:53] <daaaman64> ok it's officially impossible for me to install kubuntu on my laptop.
[01:53] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 it's wrong then
[01:53] <daaaman64> I have tried a network isntall and an install from windows.  It aint happenin
[01:53] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 can you quit from vi?
[01:53] <CyberMad> back to the terminal
[01:54] <_g3nuin3> i can close this session and start a new one i suppose
[01:54] <daaaman64> the disc's just hang, and when I try the network connection install it also hangs at the same place the disc's hang at.
[01:54] <CyberMad> ok, no problem
[01:54] <daaaman64> This sucks I like kubuntu
[01:54] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 do: sudo -s
[01:54] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 then enter your password
[01:54] <_g3nuin3> ok
[01:54] <charwood> daaaman64: Have you tried the live CD?  Does it work?
[01:55] <daaaman64> no but damn.  Another download?
[01:55] <charwood> I know.  I was just curious.
[01:55] <daaaman64> can isntall from the live cd??
[01:55] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 then do: cd /etc/apt
[01:55] <charwood> daaaman64: It may give you some idea of where the install breaks.
[01:55] <charwood> daaaman64: Unfortunately, no.  It's in the works.
[01:56] <_g3nuin3> Cyber, you mightve missed when i said i am running this distro on Vmware :p
[01:56] <_g3nuin3> No such file or directory
[01:56] <daaaman64> hmm sucks, the only distro I can get to work correctly on my laptop is mepis, nice but apt doesn't seem to work relieably on it.
[01:56] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 then that's new problem ;P
[01:57] <_g3nuin3> I just wanna start coding in c on linux, to see whats the diff with nix and winsows programming :/
[01:57] <_g3nuin3> windows*
[01:57] <_g3nuin3> hmm
[01:57] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 there are many diference
[01:57] <_g3nuin3> Yes
[01:57] <CyberMad> not so many
[01:57] <_g3nuin3> i want to experiance them
[01:57] <_g3nuin3> :p
[01:58] <CyberMad> just make sure you can find the sources.list, then let me know..
[01:58] <_g3nuin3> i can find it when i go from the locate menu on the browser
[01:58] <CyberMad> you should can find it under terminal.. sorry i'm not experience under kde
[01:59] <CyberMad> i just install it as server
[01:59] <_g3nuin3> hmm, i just need to change the no write permissions on it
[01:59] <_g3nuin3> :/
[01:59] <_g3nuin3> because i edited it
[01:59] <_g3nuin3> but it wont save edited
[01:59] <north> hi
[01:59] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 from terminal do: cd /etc
[02:00] <_g3nuin3> i dont think i can access 'cd' : No such file or directory
[02:00] <_g3nuin3> :<
[02:01] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 how about: cd /  ??
[02:01] <_g3nuin3> negative
[02:02] <bimberi> uptime
[02:02] <conn> hi, I installed gtk2-engines-clearlooks but it's not showing up as an option in the gtk2 styles list, can someone help? do I need extra packages installed?
[02:02] <bimberi> gah (wrong window again) :)
[02:04] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 do: cd ..
[02:04] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 actually.. you can't access / is impossible
[02:05] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 i believe there is something wrong with it
[02:05] <_g3nuin3> ://
[02:05] <_g3nuin3> :/
[02:05] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 can you copy paste to pastebin about your terminal ?
[02:06] <CyberMad> _g3nuin3 maybe that will give the answer
[02:09] <orion> hi I need helpp to configure proftpd on kubuntu breezy
[02:09] <cyberbuddy> whats the problem?
[02:10] <orion> server is up and runnig but i d like to add some folders to anonymous loggin so they can read other folder outside of the default one
[02:11] <orion> as if it was a virtual folder wich appears to be in the default one but in fact this folder would be on another partition
[02:12] <orion> i m sorry for my english but i m french so tell me if i m not clear
[02:12] <cyberbuddy> oh, never done that so i wouldnt know
[02:12] <cyberbuddy> maybe a shortcut?
[02:12] <orion> allready tried but doesnt work
[02:13] <cyberbuddy> hmm another partition is hard
[02:13] <orion> anyway thanx for trying to help
[02:13] <orion> well at least another folder wich is not in the anonymous home folder
[02:14] <orion> but still would be on the same partition
[02:14] <cyberbuddy> maybe make shortcut and make sure another folder has permission set correctly
[02:14] <orion> if I make shortcut it appears as a file
[02:14] <_g3nuin3> i fukin got it
[02:14] <_g3nuin3> finally
[02:14] <_g3nuin3> :)
[02:14] <orion> hii _g3nuin3
[02:15] <_g3nuin3> hello
[02:15] <orion> could you help me ?
[02:15] <_g3nuin3> probably not, seeing as this is my first time on this distro
[02:15] <_g3nuin3> :p
[02:15] <orion> well it s about proftpd
[02:15] <orion> not related to the distro
[02:15] <orion> ;
[02:18] <orion> anybody to help me with some proftpd issues ?
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> nooooooooooo:
[02:18] <orion> lol
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> Reading package lists... Done
[02:18] <orion> calm down
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> Package kdevelop is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> is only available from another source
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> However the following packages replace it:
[02:18] <_g3nuin3>   kdesdk-scripts
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate
[02:18] <_g3nuin3> does this mean i have to get it off the kdevelop site?
[02:19] <_g3nuin3> nvm
[02:19] <_g3nuin3> its kdevelop2
[02:19] <_g3nuin3> 3
[02:19] <orion> no u should try sudo apt-get kdesdk-scripts
[02:19] <orion> oopps
[02:19] <orion> i meant
[02:20] <orion> no u should try sudo apt-get install kdesdk-scripts
[02:20] <orion> fucking tired going to bed
[02:20] <orion> bye
[02:21] <rance> hey, I need some help with a strange cdrom issue, I had an app crash that was accessing the cdrom drive, and when it did, it left the cdrom thinking it was in use or something, now I cant eject the drive with an icon, I must open a terminal and type "sudo eject cdrom" whats wrong? or should I say whats different, this has been going on for days
[02:24] <MrJangles> whats a command to show build version?
[02:24] <bimberi> MrJangles: uname -r ???  (for kernel version)
[02:25] <cyberbuddy> ok so i got this: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/alexisonfir3/PICT0044.jpg (after installing kubuntu without bootloader) so i changed my wingrub conf to this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/509151 but then i got this: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/alexisonfir3/PICT0048.jpg and im stuck. help :)
[02:26] <MrJangles> ty
[02:26] <bimberi> yw
[02:26] <fdelacruz> guys hello
[02:26] <cyberbuddy> im installing kubuntu on a second HDD
[02:26] <fdelacruz> any opensource software like messenger available for N9500
[02:28] <cyberbuddy> can anyone help? :-/
[02:33] <cyberbuddy> hello?
[02:33] <fdelacruz> any problem installing kubuntu? try to help you
[02:33] <cyberbuddy> ok so i got this: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/alexisonfir3/PICT0044.jpg (after installing kubuntu without bootloader) so i changed my wingrub conf to this: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/509151 but then i got this: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/alexisonfir3/PICT0048.jpg and im stuck. help :)
[02:33] <robotgeek> cyberbuddy: please state your problems
[02:35] <robotgeek> cyberbuddy: are you trying to boot from a external usb drive?
[02:35] <cyberbuddy> no
[02:35] <cyberbuddy> internal SATA HDD
[02:37] <robotgeek> cyberbuddy: what you can do is boot using a rescue cd, and then chroot and install grub on it
[02:37] <cyberbuddy> i have grub
[02:37] <fdelacruz> is kubuntu can run on SATA? cause I try ubuntu on my SATA but unfortunately Im not successful so don't try it anymore
[02:37] <cyberbuddy> ive seen ubuntu/kubuntu running on SATA
[02:38] <robotgeek> i don't know much about sata yet, i'm still doin ide drives unfortunately
[02:38] <cyberbuddy> oh
[02:38] <cyberbuddy> im running wingrub btw
[02:38] <cyberbuddy> grub loads from within NTLDR
[02:39] <conn> can someone help me? I have gtk2-engines-clearlooks installed, and all updates applied, and Clearlooks isn't showing up in the GTK Styles list, can someone please help me get Clearlooks working?
[02:39] <fdelacruz> but y? howcome my SATA installation didn't work,
[02:39] <robotgeek> i have very little experience with grub, i used ppc's till last week
[02:39] <cyberbuddy> i dont want grub on my MBR because windows doesn't like it
[02:39] <cyberbuddy> oh lol
[02:40] <fdelacruz> Im sorry cyberbuddy i cant't help you with that, Im only using ide and my SATA, I used centos so im not familiar wit kubuntu on a SATA
[02:40] <_jon> Hey all Im looking for a good HTML/PHP editor, anyone have any suggestions?
[02:42] <_jon> perferably now is when you answer :)
[02:42] <rjs> i'm reading a tute on using the terminal  and it says that i should use rm -rf to deleate a directory. I understand why i have to use -r why do i have to use -f? I don't understand what was meant by "ignore nonexistent files" in the man/info files. What is that meant to mean?
[02:43] <rjs> _jon i would use kate, but i'm a glutton for punishment
[02:43] <_jon> kk
[02:44] <robotgeek> rjs: it just forces it, if that directory or file doesn't exist, it will not crib abt it
[02:44] <rjs> robotgekk: wha? crib abt?
[02:45] <rjs> robotgeek: wha? crib abt?
[02:45] <robotgeek> rjs: if you try to remove a file which does not exist, it will not say "File not found", but will proceed silently
[02:45] <rjs> aaaaaahhhhhhhhh
[02:45] <rjs> i c
[02:45] <rjs> thanks
[02:45] <robotgeek> no problem
[02:47] <dbunch> hello
[02:48] <glick> hey has anyone had any problem with the automatic mounting of firewire or usb drives?
[02:56] <_g3nuin3_> hello
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> anyone here ever configured kdevelop on here?
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> i keep getting this error
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> /bin/sh: /home/g3nuin3/firstnix/configure: No such file or directory
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> woops
[02:57] <SwitchBoxz> must go today 1 alienware laptop area51-m 5700 price $500 price includes shipping, wireless router and carry case, 1 alienware desktop area51 7500 price $550 including shipping, monitor, speakers.  message me if interested on aim at mikcomputing, aim at mcsltd3@hotmail.com or yahoo at mcsltd2 only if interested and wanting to buy.  willing to put on a yahoo buy it now auction
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> wrong one
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> *** Exited with status: 127 ***
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> :d
[02:57] <_g3nuin3_> :o
[02:58] <north> I would like all my users to access my fat32 partition. I change the permitions, but all the permitions seems to reset afterwards. Why?
[03:00] <nalioth> north: what did you change the permissions ON ?
[03:01] <kakada> hi
[03:03] <glick> who the hell picked the crappy default fonts in kde
[03:03] <glick> gnome fonts are so easy on the eyes
[03:03] <north> nalioth: yes, all on
[03:03] <glick> kde fonts physically hurt me to look at
[03:04] <north> amule tell me to disable chmod for fat32, I've tried with chomd 644, but no good
[03:05] <nalioth> north: did you change the permissions on files or folder of mount points or what? exactly?
[03:05] <nalioth> amule told you what?
[03:06] <north> I tried both file hdc2 (the fat32 one) and one folder inside it
[03:06] <north> but the same resulto
[03:06] <north> "disable chmod for fat32 if you don't want to read more logs like this"
[03:06] <nalioth> north: change the permissiong on your /etc/fstab
[03:06] <north> ah, ok
[03:06] <nalioth> north: i have no idea what amule is talking about
[03:07] <nalioth> north: the line in your fstab concerning the fat32 partition should be changed, otw, you can change change change everything else and not see any changes
[03:08] <north> what should I add there?
[03:08] <north> in options?
[03:08] <nalioth> !paste
[03:08] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:08] <nalioth> north: pastebin your /etc/fstab please
[03:09] <north> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7231
[03:10] <nrdb> my computer is not starting up, it hangs on 'Loading Modules' can anyone help?
[03:11] <nalioth> north: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7233
[03:14] <nrdb> my computer is not starting up, it hangs on 'Loading Modules' can anyone help? I have an error message now or "Buffer I/O error on device sdb, logical block 0" but I only have one HD.
[03:14] <north> nalioth: it does not seems to work, will it work the next reboot?
[03:15] <nalioth> north: you have to unmount your partitions and remount them to take effect
[03:16] <north> ok, sorry
[03:19] <north> nalioth: now it works!! thank you very much!! ^_^
[03:19] <north> it is always a pleassure finding people so helpful :)
[03:22] <Delvien> Anyone have any hacks/tips for extending battery life ?
[03:23] <nalioth> north: share the love (help someone else)
[03:27] <north> ok, i will
[03:28] <nrdb> I am having problem getting my computer to boot.  It keeps saying "Buffer I/O error on device sdb..." I only have one drive 'sda' can someone help me fix this?
[03:59] <benplaut> what's a good download manager for KDE?
[04:00] <seadog409> benplaut: I just use kget
[04:00] <benplaut> k
[04:01] <seadog409> but I havn't experimented with others there may be better ones
[04:01] <seadog409> lol that looks kinda funny :-D
[04:01] <Hobbsee> benplaut: prozilla
[04:01] <Hobbsee> prozGUI is a GUI version, but i've not tried it
[04:03] <nalioth> benplaut: i can only recommend cli download tools
[04:03] <benplaut> heh
[04:06] <Hobbsee> benplaut: then again, the cli download tool that nalioth is refering to is *very* easy to use
[04:07] <nalioth> Hobbsee: which one is that? i's gonna say, wget, curl and prozilla
[04:07] <Hobbsee> nalioth: prozilla, but wget as well
[04:09] <nalioth> benplaut: wget is the most user friendly downloader (as in it's adaptable) curl requires more user intervention on the command end and prozilla is a one-file-at-a-time bandwidth bruiser
[04:09] <benplaut> k
[04:24] <BxL> is there any way to make this webcam work in kubuntu? http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=2204,CONTENTID=10136
[04:32] <Pupeno> [ot]  quick poll: what name sounds best to you ? ErServers, ErlServers, Erlvers, Ervers ? (it's for a library written in ERLang to develop Servers)
[04:36] <benplaut> anyone know of a way to not make desktop switching 'loop', IE, you scroll on the pager, and it goes 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2...
[04:37] <Pupeno> benplaut: I don't think that's possible, but it'd be a good feature: http://bugs.kde.org.
[04:37] <benplaut> k
[04:38] <benplaut> i notice a a pixels in the window dialog where they could fit the option :P
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hi bimberi - want to reinstall my system for me?
[04:40] <bimberi> Hobbsee: <gasp> leaving kubuntu? :P
[04:40] <Hobbsee> bimberi: no, only a couple of hundred mb of space on dapper, and i'm not using breezy
[04:41] <bimberi> Hobbsee: good timing - Flight3 is out (as you probably know)
[04:42] <_root> question, I went from breezy to dapper, hoping I did it right I changed breezy to dapper in the sources file, it seems to be fine, updated the package files and then upgraded the whole system, is there anything else I need to do?
[04:43] <bimberi> _root: that should do it.  did you use dist-upgrade?
[04:43] <_root> bimberi: yes I did, and hold on... didn't realize this thing set my user automagicly.... don't need to broadcast what I'm logged under :)
[04:43] <wezlo> has anyone managed to get cinelerra to install on breezy?
[04:44] <_root> wezlo: give me a sec and I'll try... though I have dapper
[04:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, are there backports now to the new release?
[04:46] <wezlo> _root, thanks
[04:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[04:46] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes there is a breezy-backports repository
[04:46] <nalioth> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes there are
[04:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> which are their names?
[04:46] <nalioth> bimberi: there was a backports repo before there were things in it
[04:47] <bimberi> nalioth: k
[04:47] <bimberi> Tallia1Kubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:48] <_root> I'll brb
[04:49] <shawkins> wezlo, me _root...
[04:49] <shawkins> it'll be a second, a little over 4 minutes for download time..
[04:49] <wezlo> shawkins, ok
[04:49] <wezlo> thanks
[04:50] <shawkins> yep, do you want to know if it'll run?
[04:50] <wezlo> yes
[04:51] <wezlo> and where you got it from
[04:51] <shawkins> wezlo, did you try and fail, and if you did fail, what gcc version do you have?
[04:52] <shawkins> gcc --version if unsure..
[04:52] <wezlo> 4.0.2
[04:52] <GameOver> hey guys... anyone know how to fix the problem with amaroK and music brainz not connectiong?
[04:53] <shawkins> ok, well one sec and I'll try, it may need to be compiled with 3.4.... do you have that installed on there?
[04:53] <wezlo> I found that someone had an ubuntu build in the forums and followed the instructions
[04:53] <wezlo> I believe I do, let me check
[04:53] <GameOver> ok thanks
[04:54] <wezlo> shawkins, 3.4 is installed
[04:54] <shawkins> ok, and it does fail?
[04:54] <wezlo> fail installing a package? or compiling?
[04:54] <wezlo> for both, yes
[04:54] <sampan> gameover  my amarok (version 1.3.8) connects to musicbrainz, but won't lookup lyrics
[04:55] <GameOver> but i hear theres a fix for it
[04:55] <GameOver> i can get lyrics
[04:55] <GameOver> but not ide tags
[04:55] <nalioth> wezlo: precede your command with "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" COMMAND
[04:56] <GameOver> wait theres a new version?
[04:56] <GameOver> i have 1.3.7
[04:56] <sampan> gameover  yeah i can't write id tags -- but that's not just amarok -- so i'm not sure why my mp3s are untaggable.  and yes, in the backports repos there is a new version
[04:56] <wezlo> nalioth, which command? ./configure or apt-get install?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> bimberi: i hadnt heard that, i might just upgrade off my flight 1 cd
[04:57] <nalioth> wezlo: any of them you want to be aware of the GCC version you want it to use
[04:57] <robotgeek> sampan: libmusicbrainz is compiled withouit mp3 support
[04:57] <GameOver> bbut there is a deb file to fix it
[04:57] <GameOver> ive seen it..and i fixed it on my computer
[04:57] <GameOver> but i forgot to save the file and the webpage
[04:57] <GameOver> and now i cant find it
[04:58] <sampan> robotgeek is that what writes id tags?  i can click on the musicbrainz icon in amarok and it opens konq to the right page.  just can't lookup lyrics and can't write id tags (with anything -- xmms/beep/amarok, etc.)
[04:58] <sampan> maybe my mp3 perms are wrong
[04:58] <sampan> haven't checked that
[04:59] <sampan> heh, i bet that's it -- they're all r-x
[04:59] <shawkins> wezlo: I'm going to try compiling with gcc 3-4, it'll be a second, still running through ./configure, I've had problems with gcc 4 and gcc 3-4 in the past, so that may be the problem
[04:59] <wezlo> ok
[05:00] <wezlo> thanks shawkins
[05:00] <wezlo> and nalioth
[05:00] <GameOver> hey guys
[05:00] <GameOver> i found it
[05:00] <wezlo> I'm getting a error in ./configure
[05:00] <GameOver> the fix
[05:00] <GameOver> for amarok
[05:00] <robotgeek> sampan: no, it's the library
[05:00] <shawkins> I'm doing fine so far
[05:00] <GameOver> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85541&highlight=musicbrainz
[05:00] <GameOver> go there
[05:00] <GameOver> download and install the 2 files
[05:01] <shawkins> sometimes the CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 doesn't always work...
[05:01] <nalioth> be wary of non official packages
[05:01] <wezlo> shawkins, it stops when it can't find libraw1394, I have the -dev package installed for it but I think mine's too old...
[05:01] <shawkins> that may be it, cedega I believe it was had that problem
[05:01] <sampan> sampan, what effect does that have?  i can listen to mp3s in amarok, i can look them up in musicbrainz by clicking the icon ... not sure what that piece of info (that the libmusicbrainz doesn't have mp3 support) is supposed to mean (in pratical terms)
[05:01] <sampan> errr, that was for robotgeek
[05:01] <robotgeek> sampan: :)
[05:02] <robotgeek> sampan: one sec
[05:02] <sampan> (why i typed my own nick i have NO idea)
[05:02] <shawkins> ok, well give me a sec and I'll check mine still going
[05:02] <shawkins> <------ has a slow 1GHz computer
[05:03] <wezlo> heh
[05:03] <robotgeek> sampan: dpkg -L libtunepimp2c2 | grep tagger
[05:03] <wezlo> I'm on a 1.2 GHz laptop so I'm not much better off
[05:03] <shawkins> I got the dsl for it, but not the computer, the other one thats a 2.2GHz has less ram in it, but is currently working away..
[05:04] <sampan> robotgeek  this is to fix the not writing mp3 tags?
[05:04] <shawkins> well it ran through configure just fine
[05:04] <wezlo> I found a newer libraw
[05:04] <robotgeek> sampan: to find out if you have a problem or not
[05:04] <wezlo> I'll try configureing after it installs
[05:04] <shawkins> ok
[05:04] <eidolon> hey folks any suggestions for what software to sync / install / work with a treo (palm) device underkubuntu?
[05:04] <robotgeek> i got 550 Mhz, and still compile on it
[05:04] <shawkins> yours breezy?
[05:04] <shawkins> or dapper?
[05:04] <wezlo> right now the only video editor I can get working in breezy is cinelerra!
[05:04] <wezlo> or, rather, kino
[05:04] <sampan> robotgeek  that returns no results.
[05:05] <shawkins> that would probably be the difference then, I'm on dapper....
[05:05] <robotgeek> sampan: dpkg -L libtunepimp2c2 | less
[05:05] <shawkins> 11pm here :)P
[05:05] <robotgeek> sampan: you should see something /usr/bin/tagger or whatever. one sec, lemme open my kde laptop
[05:05] <shawkins> *:)
[05:05] <sampan> robotgeek nope -- nothing even close to that
[05:06] <wezlo> shawkins - me too, east coaster, huh?
[05:06] <sampan> robotgeek  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7238
[05:07] <shawkins> wezlo: indiana, may be slightly off, have trouble remembering which timezone I'm in, for whatever reason I don't have daylight savings time
[05:07] <shawkins> so my timezone changes to much...
[05:07] <shawkins> some places are 3 hours behind part of the year, the other part 2 hours
[05:07] <wezlo> shawkins, that's as far west as I've been
[05:07] <wezlo> Goshen
[05:07] <robotgeek> sampan: /usr/bin/tp_tagger
[05:08] <nalioth> eidolon: apt-cache search pilot
[05:08] <shawkins> I live just east of Goshen
[05:08] <shawkins> 40 miles easy
[05:08] <shawkins> *east
[05:08] <wezlo> shawkins, had to install another dependancy, so I'm wating again
[05:08] <wezlo> cool!
[05:08] <eidolon> i'm trying 'kpilot' now.
[05:08] <sampan> robotgeek  that file doesn't exist for me -- not with with the dpkg -L, nor even a locate
[05:08] <eidolon> i've been using evolution for my PIM stuff.
[05:08] <eidolon> but i don't mind switching :)
[05:08] <robotgeek> sampan: hmm, okay. one sec
[05:08] <shawkins> well I just ran into a problem, my makefile from configure has an unexpected end of file.....
[05:09] <wezlo> oh don't tell me that
[05:09] <robotgeek> sampan: sudo apt-get install libtunepimp-bin
[05:10] <shawkins> yeah, don't know what went wrong, would have to assume ./configure didn't finnish something..
[05:10] <GameOver> hey guys u know how i can get a hp multimedia keyboard to work... so i can control volume that way?
[05:11] <sampan> robotgeek  cool -- got it now -- so i should be able to change all those tags?
[05:11] <wezlo> shawkins, I got a warning at the end of configure so I'm installing more dependencies
[05:11] <robotgeek> sampan: now see /usr/bin/tp_tagger
[05:11] <sampan> it's there
[05:12] <robotgeek> sampan: run it
[05:12] <shawkins> wezlo, how many do you have? for whatever reason I didn't have a single one..
[05:12] <wezlo> 5 more
[05:13] <sampan> robotgeek  did -- says only supports .wav .ogg .flac
[05:13] <robotgeek> sampan: see, you need to compile this package with mp3 support
[05:13] <robotgeek> sampan: sudo apt-get build-dep libtunepimp-bin && apt-get source libtunepimp-bin
[05:14] <shawkins> wezlo: one seond, I'm going to check the old makefile with the new one
[05:15] <wezlo> ok
[05:15] <robotgeek> sampan: then edit the debian/rules file to include mp3 support. then "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage"
[05:16] <GameOver> does any know know how to get rid of the black frames around movies when u zoom in or full screen
[05:16] <GameOver> especially since it doesnt actually go fullscreen... the movie that is
[05:16] <sampan> robotgeek  actually for mp3's it was much simpler -- i have them all on an external HD and the perms were wrong -- r-x ... i just needed to set it to rw- and amarok can change the tags just fine (just tried it)
[05:16] <shawkins> wezlo: googling... http://socrates.if.usp.br/~liquid/pacotes/
[05:17] <robotgeek> sampan: hmm, weird. i read a bug report on ubuntu bugzilla and decided to fix the issue
[05:17] <sampan> robotgeek  long-time windows user mistake on my part :X
[05:17] <s_spiff{AWAY}> GameOver, u would have to use a new windows manager
[05:17] <s_spiff{AWAY}>  like Openbox..which doesn't have that dirty box like stuff when u maximize or minimize..
[05:17] <robotgeek> sampan: year long linux mistake from me. choose the tougher road, lol
[05:18] <shawkins> wezlo: when its downloaded I'll see about installing it, don't know if it'll work well on my system or not
[05:18] <sampan> robotgeek  lol -- sometimes the longer route has other benefits (learning, etc.)
[05:18] <wezlo> shawkins, I think I installed that one and it didn't work well
[05:18] <eidolon> hmm.  it appears kubuntu is not auto-mounting my treo as /dev/pilot.
[05:18] <s_spiff{AWAY}> GameOver, but u still won't get the full screen opion..
[05:18] <eidolon> what can i twiddle to do that when the USB device comes online?
[05:18] <eidolon> (this is dapper, btw)
[05:18] <shawkins> wezlo: ok
[05:18] <robotgeek> sampan: i almost compiled the package for you :)
[05:19] <sampan> robotgeek  i'm glad i saved you the trouble :D
[05:19] <wezlo> completely off-topic from where I am now: but how is dapper coming along?
[05:19] <shawkins> wezlo: from my point of view its fine
[05:19] <wezlo> shawkins, cool on dapper - I'm compiling now
[05:19] <robotgeek> sampan: good to know that it was a simple fix. i could not do it without the stuff compiling.
[05:19] <wezlo> and it died
[05:20] <shawkins> wezlo: updates every day from where I'm standing, a few problems every so often, however, that may be the fact I'm logged as root and I've done so much stuff to it
[05:20] <GameOver> s_spiff: so how do i do it
[05:20] <s_spiff{AWAY}> somewhere in march isn't it?
[05:20] <shawkins> wezlo: try using gcc 3-4 or have you already?
[05:20] <wezlo> shawkins, that does get you into trouble, doesn't it
[05:20] <wezlo> I was using 3.4
[05:20] <s_spiff{AWAY}> GameOver, simple...Synaptic...
[05:20] <sampan> robotgeek  well maybe the problem you had was a different one than i had.  i think mine was just because i sloppily copied the mp3s from a NTFS partition (where all the perms were r-x) to the external drive, but maybe the bug you were dealing with was entirely different
[05:20] <s_spiff{AWAY}>  there is a wiki howto for configuing it...
[05:20] <GameOver> ok.... can u elaborate more
[05:21] <shawkins> wezlo: yes, root isn't the best way to log into this thing, but I'm working on a web site or three so I don't want to be bothered with something not working like it should..
[05:21] <wezlo> I'm trying out the forum's instructions again, I think the repositories might have been down when I was following it yesterday
[05:21] <GameOver> s_spiff: i already have mplayer.....
[05:21] <shawkins> ok
[05:21] <sampan> eidolon  are you sure it's not detecting the pilot as a usb device?  iirc with hoary i had to change the perms on /dev/pilot in order to be able to sync
[05:21] <s_spiff{AWAY}> GameOver, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75471&page=4
[05:21] <shawkins> wezlo: I'm going to get the CVS version and try that out
[05:21] <wezlo> another question - has anyone given consideration that importing yast might be a good idea, or is that a taboo topic?
[05:22] <s_spiff{AWAY}> has everything about open box, also just search the wiki for it, you'll get a whole page on it
[05:22] <wezlo> shawkins, the ubuntu build actually installed tonight
[05:22] <shawkins> wezlo: good to hear
[05:22] <GameOver> s_spiff but its talkina bout gnome
[05:22] <GameOver> i have kde
[05:22] <s_spiff{AWAY}> wezlo, some one must have surely thought of it.. but not sure...
[05:22] <s_spiff{AWAY}> GameOver, u can use it with KDE also
[05:22] <shawkins> I haven't used yast, I tried installing Suse on this computer just to check that out, but it rebooted in the middle of it
[05:23] <s_spiff{AWAY}> just read further
[05:23] <wezlo> and, it crashes
[05:23] <eidolon> sampan:  what i'm getting now is this:  [4394293.022000]  usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1
[05:23] <wezlo> sigh, bang head
[05:23] <shawkins> it crashes as in while starting?
[05:23] <eidolon> which seems to change each time i sync.  it's moving up the device number list.
[05:23] <wezlo> shawkins, when I load a file
[05:23] <shawkins> wezlo: ok, one second
[05:24] <sampan> eidolon yeah, that's normal i think.  you might want to check to make sure that /dev/pilot has permissions for you to read/write -- i simply couldn't sync without dealing with that in hoary (breezy worked right off the bat, but i donno what dapper's situation is)
[05:25] <eidolon> dbs@hunter:~$ ls -l /dev/pilot
[05:25] <eidolon> ls: /dev/pilot: No such file or directory
[05:25] <eidolon> :(
[05:25] <sampan> hrmmm
[05:26] <eidolon> my guess is it's not recognizing the usb signature.
[05:27] <shawkins> wezlo: I can't say that it crashes for me
[05:27] <shawkins> wezlo: what are you loading? I just downloading a 'We wish you a merry christmas' song
[05:29] <wezlo> shawkins, when I load .dv files it crashes
[05:29] <wezlo> when I download mpegs it's fine
[05:31] <shawkins> wezlo never knew .dv files exsisted... one sec
[05:32] <shawkins> wezlo you wouldn't happen to have a small one just laying around would you?
[05:34] <seadog409> what are .dv files?
[05:34] <wezlo> seadog409 - its raw video from a dv camcorder
[05:35] <wezlo> shawkins the files get huge
[05:36] <shawkins> wezlo: I could believe that, it'll be hard for me to do this, I'll see about converting mpeg to dv...
[05:36] <wezlo> but I have one that 1.8mb
[05:36] <shawkins> well that'll work unless you have dial-up
[05:36] <wezlo> where do you want it?
[05:36] <wezlo> shawkins, dial-what?
[05:38] <shawkins> wezlo: phone line connnection, I had one until 6 months ago..
[05:38] <shawkins> wezlo: just send it however, send it through irc if you can
[05:40] <wezlo> shawkins, that never seems to work for me, what's the command?
[05:41] <shawkins> wezlo: no clue what the command is to send it.... send it email if you can
[05:41] <wezlo> it looks like cinelerra wants you to grab the files and make them quicktime format...
[05:41] <wezlo> shawkins you got a gmail account?
[05:41] <shawkins> no, though I could probably through one together
[05:42] <wezlo> heh
[05:43] <seadog409> is there a command line for: right clicking on the batterie status icon in the taskbar > clicking hibernate ??
[05:43] <networker> seadog409 i think it varies depending on whether or not you use acpi or apm
[05:44] <networker> Does the kubuntu kernel allow realtime access to the sound card?
[05:44] <seadog409> how can i figure out what I do use? I installed gnome ubuntu first then install kubuntu-desktop
[05:45] <nalioth> seadog409: use one each day
[05:45] <shawkins> wezlo: I'm getting one...
[05:45] <wezlo> cool
[05:46] <networker> Has anyone had success using Rosegarden software or the Hydrogen drum machine with kubuntu?
[05:46] <seadog409> nalioth: lol yea sure, I was meaning how to know wether I use acpi or apm for power managment
[05:46] <networker> seadog409, right click on klaptop and then hit "Configure klaptop", see if there are any acpi options checked in the last tab
[05:46] <nalioth> seadog409: apm is an ancient thing. default is acpi
[05:47] <networker> seadog409, try browsing the acpi dox at http://acpi.sourceforge.net/
[05:48] <seadog409> networker: thanks ill try that
[05:48] <shawkins> wezlo: maybe I won't get one.....
[05:49] <shawkins> wezlo: take that back...
[05:50] <wezlo> shawkins, yah, that' shwat usually happens to me
[05:50] <GameOver> hey guys i cant share folders... everytime i go into administrator mode... everything is still greyed out
[05:50] <GameOver> any suggestions on how to fix this?
[05:51] <networker> gameover: share files over ssh instead?
[05:52] <GameOver> whats ssh?
[05:52] <GameOver> different from samba?
[05:52] <networker> yes
[05:52] <GameOver> better as well?
[05:52] <sander__> anyone tried flight 3 yet?
[05:53] <networker> gameover: i couldn't tell you
[05:53] <shawkins> wezlo: askhawk@gmail.com
[05:53] <GameOver> does ssh work with windows sharing?
[05:53] <networker> on the client machine, open conqueror and type fish://username@sharedcomputersaddress
[05:54] <networker> you may have to allow your firewall to accept incoming ssh
[05:54] <wezlo> shawkins, it's being sent
[05:54] <networker> er, konqueror.
[05:55] <wezlo> it looks like cinelerra wants to work with qt files
[05:55] <shawkins> you know.. I'm downloading the sources for yast..... theres a lot of them :)
[05:55] <GameOver> alright i will have to try later... thanks for the advice
[05:56] <networker> good luck
[05:56] <GameOver> i do have antoher question
[05:56] <GameOver> what do u guys suggest for a good video player especially for viewing streaming videos within a browser
[05:57] <robotgeek> GameOver: konquror + kaffeine-xine should be fine
[05:57] <GameOver> u guys find this to be better than mplayer?
[05:57] <networker> gameover: i like firefox + mplayer
[05:57] <GameOver> i like mplayer... but i have one major problem with it..... with whatever video i play in it.... in the palyer.... whenever u zoom or go fullscreen
[05:58] <GameOver> the video doesnt gget bigger
[05:58] <robotgeek> GameOver: i use ubuntu on this machine, i have mplayer and the mozilla plugin, works quite well
[05:58] <GameOver> the black frame around it does
[05:58] <robotgeek> GameOver: ah yes, i get that too
[05:58] <GameOver> have any idea how to fix that
[05:58] <shawkins> wezlo: ok, I have it, now... what do I do, I've loaded it, how do I use it?
[05:58] <GameOver> the black bars are quite annoying
[05:58] <shawkins> sorry.. never used it before :)
[05:59] <GameOver> every other player does it right... if i could fix it.. iw ould reinstall mplayer
[05:59] <networker> gameover: use xine if you wanna watch full screen, i haven't figured out the mplayer thing yet either
[05:59] <wezlo> shawkins, open cinelerra and in the file menu load file
[05:59] <networker> gameover: check the mplayer dox, you may need to change the video driver
[05:59] <shawkins> I've done that
[05:59] <shawkins> still running..
[05:59] <wezlo> and it didn't crash?
[05:59] <shawkins> nope
[05:59] <wezlo> I hate my laptop
[05:59] <GameOver> ok also.... it seems that with some streaming video it will play a second... then stop
[05:59] <GameOver> any idea how to fix that
[06:00] <shawkins> may be something I did... I used the... forgot where I got these :)
[06:00] <wezlo> nothing works
[06:00] <shawkins> but it may have to do with.. I have more updates, different software
[06:00] <wezlo> jahshaka segfaults when I start it up
[06:00] <wezlo> shawkins
[06:00] <wezlo> yah
[06:01] <wezlo> I'm wondering if my video card is screwing things up
[06:02] <shawkins> well.... I have a.... nvidia tnt2 card or something..
[06:02] <shawkins> does it load other video files?
[06:02] <wezlo> yah
[06:02] <wezlo> mpegs load fine
[06:02] <GameOver> speaking of which... i have an ati radeon mobility 7500 card in my laptop... anyway i can install drivers for this?
[06:03] <shawkins> then I see no reason for it to be the video... it it plays some video why not any other... it'd have to be the codec the program is using I would think
[06:03] <shawkins> gameover: http://www.geocities.com/five0greek/003623.html
[06:04] <shawkins> quick google found that
[06:05] <GameOver> shawkins: thanks.. but i have no compiling experience
[06:05] <GameOver> plus its doesnt look stable fromw hat i read
[06:06] <shawkins> gameover: ok, one sec
[06:06] <GameOver> k
[06:07] <shawkins> gameover: dapper or breezy?
[06:07] <wezlo> shawkins, yah, I'll try some things in the mroning, right now, I need sleep!
[06:07] <wezlo> thanks!
[06:08] <GameOver> shawkins: breezy
[06:10] <glick> anyone been having any trouble with the automounting of firewire external drives lately?
[06:10] <glick> i think an update borked the system
[06:12] <networker> glick: I can't turn off automounting and IT DRIVES ME CRAzY
[06:13] <glick> networker: weird, cause when i plug in my drive i get error message popups first and then it mounts them in the incorrect place with readonly access and root ownership
[06:14] <networker> weird definitely - it mounts them (usb, cdrom, etc) properly but opens a konqueror window to a nonexistant directory
[06:14] <networker> and also i get that delightful "glass crashing" error sound
[06:15] <shawkins> gameover: I'll have to compile some, can't find any for you, but I can't do it tonight
[06:15] <glick> heh i dont know yet if i like kde or cant stant it
[06:15] <glick> i cant make up my mind
[06:15] <glick> maybe its just cause im used to gnome
[06:15] <GameOver> shawkins: no problem
[06:15] <glick> and my disk problem
[06:15] <GameOver> thanks though
[06:15] <networker> glick: can you just fix /etc/fstab by hand, or does it write over it?
[06:16] <glick> networker: well it doesnt get put into fstab
[06:17] <shawkins> gameover: laptop? I assume
[06:17] <jariep1_> hi all
[06:17] <glick> networker: the automounter just adds an entry to mtab
[06:17] <jariep1_> i am having trouble uninstalling phpmyadmin with adept
[06:17] <GameOver> shawkins: yes
[06:17] <jariep1_> when I uninstall other packages it breaks phpmyadmin
[06:17] <networker> glick: can you identify the device in the last few lines of dmesg? try unmounting it and adding it to fstab yourself
[06:18] <jariep1_> then i reinstall phpmyadmin and try to remove it
[06:18] <jariep1_> it is as if it has dependencies which adept doesn't recognize
[06:18] <glick> i wish i could just downgrade to older versions of udev and pmount
[06:18] <glick> networker: cause it worked perfectly before
[06:18] <glick> then i did an update and it borked it
[06:19] <jariep1_> can somebody help me out?
[06:19] <shawkins> gameover: well maybe I'll figure it out tonight..... don't feel like sleeping just yet
[06:19] <shawkins> whats wrong jariep?
[06:20] <jariep1_> phpmyadmin doesn't seem to want to uninstall
[06:20] <GameOver> shawkins: ok well no worries my friend... i am going to bed i have a long day of work ahead of me....
[06:20] <networker> glick: ya got me  )-:
[06:20] <jariep1_> using adept
[06:20] <GameOver> do whatever u can do... and ill be back or i can keep in touchw ith u another way though aim.. yahoo, etc
[06:21] <shawkins> off-question.... why install phpmyadmin through adept..... back to topic, no clue how to fix that problem, really I don't
[06:21] <shawkins> but give me a second.. I'll look up a few things
[06:21] <jariep1_> ok
[06:21] <jariep1_> let me expalin what happened
[06:21] <jariep1_> i uninstalled mysql and php
[06:21] <jariep1_> i left phpmyadmin by mistake
[06:22] <jariep1_> then i tried to remove phpmyadmin
[06:22] <jariep1_> it it was broken
[06:22] <jariep1_> then i reinstalled phpmyadmin
[06:22] <jariep1_> and installed correctly
[06:22] <jariep1_> but it won't uninstall
[06:23] <shawkins> complete remove or?
[06:23] <kkathman> jariep1_: its just a folder in your htdocs you can easily delete it
[06:23] <kkathman> its a php application actually
[06:23] <kkathman> just remove the phpmyadmin folder
[06:23] <shawkins> kkathman: correct me if I am wrong, would not the phpmyadmin still be installed under adapt?
[06:24] <shawkins> thats the problem I see here....
[06:24] <kkathman> shawkins: i never installed it under adept, I simply used xampp but its possibly that adept might still see it as installed, but whats the harm really?
[06:25] <kkathman> I mean, whats the harm in keeping phpmyadmin anyway, its a really good tool to build your MySQL databases
[06:25] <jariep1_> what dependencies does phpmyadmin have?
[06:25] <shawkins> kkathman: I understand that, I never installed phpmyadmin...
[06:25] <shawkins> there are not
[06:25] <kkathman> php
[06:25] <shawkins> *none
[06:25] <kkathman> jariep1_: its JUST a php application
[06:25] <shawkins> well.. it needs php... but..
[06:25] <kkathman> why dont you want it?
[06:26] <shawkins> kkathman: I never installed phpmyadmin under adept.... no harm, but for some people it may drive them nuts..
[06:26] <jariep1_> i don't like the fact that i installed something and i can't get it off my system
[06:26] <kkathman> or should I say, what will you use instead
[06:26] <shawkins> however, I agree, to just get rid of it, just delete it
[06:27] <shawkins> he may not need anything for mysql..
[06:27] <shawkins> people have their reasons
[06:27] <kkathman> sure I'll buy that I guess
[06:27] <kkathman> its not a problem to delete it tho if you are worried about the space (its very tiny too)
[06:27] <jariep1_> I may reinstall it, but i want to be able to get off the system
[06:27] <shawkins> yeah, what.. 2megs or something, whatever it is, not enough to worry about
[06:28] <jariep1_> well, was just curious why adept won't remove it
[06:28] <shawkins> just delete it, adept will either realize its gone or it won't, won't hurt the system
[06:28] <jariep1_> ok
[06:28] <jariep1_> so i go to htdocs?
[06:28] <kkathman> jariep1_:  try sudo apt-get remove phpmyadmin then :)
[06:28] <jariep1_> ok
[06:28] <jariep1_> actually, let me explain
[06:28] <shawkins> no clue why... it may for whatever reason see that something else needs it.. but... for something to depend on such an app..
[06:28] <kkathman> I mean I dont know the name of the ppackage
[06:29] <jariep1_> I installed mysql 4.1
[06:29] <jariep1_> and php4.3
[06:29] <jariep1_> and php my admin
[06:29] <kkathman> shawkins: I didnt know that phpmyadmin was  had an install package
[06:29] <jariep1_> because i was trying to run a php mysql app
[06:29] <shawkins> kkathman, that is the package name :)
[06:29] <jariep1_> but the packages i installed seem to be incompatible with it
[06:29] <shawkins> jariep... need apache in there too if you didn't install that
[06:29] <kkathman> shawkins: then sudo apt-get remove phpmyadmin should remove it
[06:29] <jariep1_> so I wanted to test an older version
[06:30] <shawkins> kkathman: I realize that, just saying.. you got it right :)
[06:30] <jariep1_> sure apache 2 also, sorry about that
[06:30] <jariep1_> and I do want to use phpmyadmin
[06:30] <jariep1_> but i wanted to install from scratch all over again
[06:30] <jariep1_> then when i reinstalled mysql 4.0
[06:30] <shawkins> phpmyadmin should have no problem, unless the newest one is for php5 only... if it uses the __construct() or whatever..
[06:30] <jariep1_> i mean downgraded mysql from 4.1 to 4.0
[06:31] <jariep1_> I also have the B.U.M. bootup manager
[06:31] <kkathman> shawkins: Im pretty sure its consistent across the versions
[06:31] <jariep1_> but i can't restart mysql
[06:31] <jariep1_> so i was going to try and remove everything
[06:31] <jariep1_> and start from scratch
[06:31] <jariep1_> when I removed mysql 4.1
[06:32] <shawkins> kkathman: I'm sure it is as well, but I haven't checked so.... never see a reason to upgrade to the newest all the time..... it does what I ask it to
[06:32] <jariep1_> on installing mysql 4.0 it detected some files from 4.1
[06:32] <shawkins> did you do a complete remove?
[06:32] <kkathman> shawkins - there are reasons to upgrade and reasons not to of course :)
[06:32] <jariep1_> i chose to downgrade
[06:32] <jariep1_> so i can test the my app
[06:32] <jariep1_> well not my app but somebody elses
[06:33] <jariep1_> ok
[06:33] <shawkins> kkathman: All a matter of personal preferrence, most things I upgrade, php/mysql/apache..... phpmyadmin has nothing wrong with it.. unless it supports something I need that I didn't before
[06:33] <jariep1_> so let me see, how do start mysql 4.0 from command line?
[06:33] <kkathman> right I agree
[06:33] <kkathman> btw...apps that use MySQL 4.0 should run fine under 4.1
[06:33] <kkathman> I just did that recently in fact :)
[06:34] <jariep1_> have you ever hear of sourceforge app called translucid?
[06:34] <kkathman> most hosting services have MySQL 4.1 now and php 4.3 usually, not 5
[06:34] <kkathman> but it varies of course
[06:35] <jariep1_> website demo is at pantha.net
[06:35] <jariep1_> it's sort of a wiki
[06:35] <jariep1_> that's the reason for all my troubles
[06:35] <shawkins> jariep..... mysql_safe &
[06:35] <shawkins> I think...
[06:35] <kkathman> jariep1_:  try sudo apt-get remove phpmyadmin and see what happens
[06:35] <jariep1_> ok
[06:35] <shawkins> I agree with kkathman jariep
[06:36] <jariep1_> ok
[06:36] <jariep1_> i'll give it a try
[06:36] <jariep1_> thanks for taking time to listen and help
[06:36] <shawkins> I prefer php5 for some of the newer abilities, notably the new oop functionality
[06:37] <kkathman> shawkins: I do too, but its not universally installed on my hosting services :(
[06:37] <kkathman> most = my
[06:37] <kkathman> most hosting services...at least not yet
[06:37] <shawkins> kkathman yeah, I agree with that part, really blows when my php5 ready app didn't want to work with php 4.3..... did that a few months ago
[06:38] <kkathman> if you host your own server you can use what you want I guess
[06:38] <jariep1_> i get an error message on trying that command to remove
[06:38] <kkathman> whats the error?
[06:38] <shawkins> whats it say?
[06:39] <ilba7r> any one know of a link that have goals/ packages and status of Dapper. Other than just cosmetics change?
[06:39] <shawkins> kkathman: Thats the great part, personal server, my own options, granted though, I'm not the greatest at security
[06:40] <kkathman> yah me either...would rather pay people $6.50/month for that headache :)
[06:40] <kkathman> thats a bargain at ANY price
[06:40] <kkathman> jariep1_:  error??
[06:40] <shawkins> kkathman: I'd have to agree on that point... but I'm working on something that I won't have to bother worrying about price when its done, in talks about getting it funded
[06:41] <kkathman> ahh well thats ok too
[06:41] <kkathman> did we lose jariep1_ ??
[06:41] <shawkins> ilba7r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperRoadmap
[06:41] <ilba7r> thanx shawkins
[06:42] <shawkins> its not exactly what you need... but its something
[06:42] <shawkins> I guess we did lose jariep
[06:42] <shawkins> unless hes trying something else..
[06:42] <ilba7r> i appreciate your help all the links i found so far were cosmetics
[06:42] <shawkins> no problem
[06:42] <ilba7r> take care now chaw my friend :)
[06:43] <kkathman> shawkins: did you happen to double check and do an apt-cache search phpmyadmin?
[06:43] <kkathman> I'd do it myself but Im on another distro's box atm
[06:44] <shawkins> kkathman: I opened synaptic and checked for the name..... one second though
[06:44] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:44] <shawkins> yep, its there :)
[06:45] <jariep1_> ok am still here
[06:45] <jariep1_> sorry about that
[06:45] <kkathman> ok shawkins thankx
[06:46] <kkathman> jariep1_: what was the error?
[06:46] <jariep1_> ok hold on
[06:46] <jariep1_> it's on another machine
[06:48] <shawkins> ok, well here in a minute I have to go, almost 1am and I have to get up at 6
[06:48] <jariep1_> ok
[06:49] <jariep1_> let me give you error
[06:49] <jariep1_> shawkins kkathman
[06:49] <shawkins> ok
[06:49] <jariep1_> Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://kubuntu_Breezy Badger...
[06:50] <kkathman> ah ha
[06:50] <jariep1_> sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:50] <shawkins> cdrom....
[06:50] <shawkins> is your cdrom in the drive?
[06:50] <kkathman> jariep1_:  go and modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out your deb line that has the cd-rom line on it
[06:50] <jariep1_> ok
[06:50] <kkathman> lol
[06:50] <shawkins> agreed with kkathman
[06:50] <kkathman> no wonder!
[06:50] <shawkins> yep, now we know
[06:51] <kkathman> hehe so often that is the problem :)
[06:51] <shawkins> truthfully this is the first night I've been on here, so..
[06:51] <kkathman> ahh well welcome :)
[06:51] <shawkins> thanks
[06:51] <jariep1_> thank you, really, i'm rather new to linux
[06:52] <kkathman> hope to see you around more...we could use your expertise :)
[06:52] <kkathman> jariep1_: you know how to edit your sources?
[06:52] <jariep1_> sure
[06:52] <jariep1_> i think I need to comment out
[06:52] <shawkins> wouldn't say expertise..... you'd be surprised at some things about me, but I do know.. however, how to find the answer if I don't know it, been googleling for years, so I can find it if I need to
[06:53] <shawkins> put a # in front of it
[06:53] <jariep1_> ok i did it
[06:53] <kkathman> yes you need to put a # in front of the line that starts deb and has cd-rom in it...its usually the top line or close to it
[06:53] <kkathman> jariep1_: save it
[06:53] <jariep1_> ok
[06:53] <shawkins> I've been with linux for....... 4 or 5 years now.... but only 3 years ago did I start compiling, don't think I've packaged a single thing though
[06:53] <kkathman> jariep1_:  then do   sudo apt-get update
[06:54] <jariep1_> ok
[06:54] <shawkins> wait.... on my systems... it didn't have the other sources uncommented
[06:54] <shawkins> so...
[06:54] <shawkins> he may need to uncomment them, though I may be wrong
[06:54] <kkathman> ya if he still has the cd-rom line uncommented, thats a problem usually
[06:55] <kkathman> jariep1_: now try your sudo apt-get remove phpmyadmin
[06:55] <jariep1_> yes, i just installed 2 day ago
[06:55] <kkathman> shawkins: ubuntu documentation never tells you to remove that line unfortunately
[06:55] <shawkins> kkathman: something I've never really done.... read the documentation..
[06:56] <kkathman> that line has zero meaning or use after installation (unlike other distros)
[06:56] <jariep1_> oh ok
[06:56] <jariep1_> let me ask you about that
[06:56] <shawkins> kkathman I couldn't agree more, I've found no use for it
[06:56] <jariep1_> i have a friend
[06:56] <jariep1_> who doesn't have broadband
[06:56] <jariep1_> can he use adept from the cdrom?
[06:56] <shawkins> it'll be hard to upgrade....
[06:56] <jariep1_> or dvd
[06:57] <jariep1_> i have the dvd for kubuntu
[06:57] <shawkins> I would imagine so... I'm not good at this, but if you created, or had a program that created the files needed by adept.. then add it as a source
[06:57] <kkathman> jariep1_:  not really because there are no packages (outside the installation) that are on the CD
[06:57] <shawkins> well yeah..... but if you got the updates for him...
[06:57] <kkathman> thats a distinction of ubuntu, all packages must be retrieved from an on line resource
[06:58] <shawkins> or the programs, however, then I would say its easier to just use dpkg...
[06:58] <jariep1_> so it's not like debian where you can download all the 14 cds
[06:58] <shawkins> yeah, something I'm glad I have dsl for
[06:58] <shawkins> nope
[06:58] <kkathman> jariep1_:  no
[06:58] <jariep1_> ok
[06:58] <kkathman> that has been a criticism of ubuntu
[06:59] <jariep1_> I really like ubuntu
[06:59] <aenertia> Hi all...
[06:59] <jariep1_> I used debian and knoppix
[06:59] <kkathman> its an easy system to install and use
[06:59] <jariep1_> and libranet
[06:59] <aenertia> adminmode is not enabling
[06:59] <jariep1_> sure, i love apt
[06:59] <jariep1_> i went crazy chasing after depedencies with redhat
[06:59] <aenertia> i.e trying to configue network cards. in 5.10 default install
[06:59] <kkathman> i have both ubuntu/kubuntu and SUSE
[07:00] <aenertia> and clicking on admin mode does not enter admin mode (i.e interfaces/options etc all greyed out still)
[07:00] <kkathman> aenertia: you need to make sure your sources.list is up to date, then run your adept updater
[07:00] <kkathman> aenertia: did you just install?
[07:00] <aenertia> kkathman: and I would be doing that with no internet!
[07:00] <aenertia> ;-p
[07:00] <shawkins> I have kubuntu on this one, ubuntu on another machine, PCLinuxOS on yet another, Suse/Debian/Mandriva CD's right here..
[07:00] <kkathman> ohh I se
[07:00] <aenertia> This machine is in singapore I am in nz
[07:00] <kkathman> eek
[07:00] <aenertia> Need to get interface up now
[07:01] <kkathman> hmm
[07:01] <kkathman> you should be able to connect to the net tho
[07:01] <aenertia> it's a pretty horendous bug to ship in a release
[07:01] <kkathman> you dont need admin mode
[07:01] <aenertia> I am talking a newb through it
[07:01] <aenertia> tried kdesu from konsole get qt:error locales not support error
[07:02] <aenertia> Is there a ncurses setup utility ?
[07:02] <aenertia> just for netcards
[07:02] <kkathman> aenertia: can your friend get to a console?
[07:02] <aenertia> yup
[07:03] <aenertia> I am unfamiliar with ubuntu's base layout
[07:03] <kkathman> aenertia: see if they can do an ifconfig and see what the names of the cards are
[07:03] <kkathman> aenertia: should be eht0 im hoping
[07:03] <shawkins> kkathman, something I haven't used in years... irc, how do I change my name to shawkins-away?
[07:03] <kkathman> shawkins: just type /nick  shawkins-away
[07:03] <shawkins> thanks :)
[07:03] <kkathman> np
[07:04] <aenertia> I know what interfaces are there so I could do it this way I spose. But there is no easy way to launch the graphical config stuff from a konsole with admin privledges... I have no idea how sudo is setup on kubuntu by default.
[07:04] <shawkins-away> ok, I'm going to go to sleep, 5 hours of sleep is not good for me, so good night
[07:04] <kkathman> night shawkins-away :)
[07:05] <aenertia> What is the command line of the system-settings -> network tool (it does not appear in kmenu edit.. tried looking already)
[07:05] <kkathman> aenertia:  are they installing kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:05] <aenertia> kubuntu
[07:06] <kkathman> you'll need them to do an ifconfig to verify that eth0 is the  primary card, then do a sudo dhclient eth0
[07:06] <ubuntu> j
[07:07] <aenertia> Is there a sources list which includes backports, kde 3.5 and media apps rather than manually adding it in.
[07:07] <aenertia> ?
[07:07] <aenertia> Ok will do the manual thing.
[07:07] <aenertia> Also is sshd installed by default in kbuntu?
[07:07] <aenertia> please god let it be.
[07:07] <kkathman> aenertia:  I dont think so
[07:08] <kkathman> not sure actually
[07:08] <kkathman> let me check
[07:09] <aenertia> taa
[07:09] <kkathman> sorry, aenertia I was mistaken, sshd is there
[07:09] <kkathman> or should be
[07:09] <sdfasdf> i ve seen a tutorial for x11vnc at gdm but nothing for kdm,  i m trying to get vnc running at the window manager login so far i am only able to start it manually after finding the magic cookie crap,
[07:10] <aenertia> Thank god for that I thought I was going to have to talk her through a manual sources.list edit
[07:10] <sdfasdf> anybody find a tutorial for doing this?
[07:11] <sampan> kkathman  do you remember the command to switch the java version?  i just installed the javadeb and would like to switch (firefox has it right: using Sun's), but OOo and the system itself are still showing the gij 1.4.2  :/
[07:12] <kkathman> sampan: no I sure dont.
[07:12] <kkathman> sorry bout that :(
[07:13] <aenertia> whats init script command for running sshd?
[07:13] <sampan> no worries -- i'm reading forums anyway, just thought you might know :)
[07:13] <aenertia>  /etc/init.d/sshd start ?
[07:14] <sdfasdf> x11vnc -forever -rfbauth /home/sjw/.x11vncpasswd -bg -o /tmp/x11vnc.log" >> /etckde3/kdm/Xsetup
[07:14] <sdfasdf> why doesn't that work?
[07:14] <jariep1_> kkathman i still get an error
[07:14] <jariep1_> but i think i'll stick with it
[07:15] <jariep1_> though i would like to know how to uninstall it
[07:15] <aenertia> Hi running sshd service? from command line how?
[07:15] <kkathman> jariep1_:  I'd work further, but Im on a different box right now :(
[07:15] <jariep1_> ok
[07:16] <kkathman> jariep1_:  was the error the same?
[07:16] <jariep1_> was a little different
[07:16] <jariep1_> said that it would break dependencies i think
[07:16] <kkathman> did it mention the  cd-rom?
[07:16] <jariep1_> no
[07:16] <jariep1_> after i uncommented it out
[07:16] <kkathman> jariep1_:  please execute the following at console:   dpkg -l | grep phpmyadmin
[07:17] <kkathman> tell ne what that says
[07:17] <jariep1_> ok, i just rebooted and reinstalled
[07:17] <jariep1_> phpmyadmin
[07:17] <jariep1_> ok
[07:17] <jariep1_> give me a sec
[07:17] <kkathman> k
[07:19] <shawkins-away> kkathman.... came to check up one last thing... you need me to execute any commands?
[07:20] <shawkins-away> *for jariep I mean..
[07:20] <jariep1_> ok
[07:20] <jariep1_> kkathman
[07:20] <jariep1_> here is the result of grep
[07:21] <jariep1_> ri phpmyadmin    2.6.4-pl1-1ubuntu1.1    set of PHP scripts to administrate MySQL ove
[07:21] <shawkins-away> so its installed..
[07:21] <jariep1_> well, I just installed it again
[07:21] <jariep1_> it was broken before
[07:21] <shawkins-away> try complete remove..
[07:21] <jariep1_> ok how?
[07:21] <shawkins-away> don't know the whole command for that.. one sec
[07:21] <jariep1_> sure
[07:22] <shawkins-away> sudo apt-get remove phpmyadmin
[07:22] <shawkins-away> thats it..
[07:22] <jariep1_> ok
[07:22] <shawkins-away> tell me the results of that
[07:22] <jariep1_> ok
[07:23] <jariep1_> ok
[07:23] <jariep1_> hold on just a sec
[07:23] <shawkins-away> ok
[07:23] <jariep1_> supprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[07:24] <jariep1_> E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:24] <jariep1_> E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1): phpmyadmin
[07:25] <jariep1_> oh oops
[07:25] <jariep1_> Errors were encountered whil processing: phpmyadmin
[07:25] <shawkins-away> ok, it'll be a second
[07:25] <jariep1_> ok
[07:25] <shawkins-away> looking up what each code means......
[07:25] <jariep1_> ok
[07:25] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install ucf && sudo apt-get remove phpmyadmin ucf
[07:26] <crimsun> this is Debian bug#322139
[07:26] <shawkins-away> thanks crimsun
[07:26] <shawkins-away> didn't think to look there
[07:26] <jariep1_> uh oh, if i do that it will remove 500megabytes of software
[07:27] <shawkins-away> no.. don't do that..... hes.... showing the bug
[07:27] <jariep1_> oh
[07:27] <shawkins-away> phpmyadmin is not 500mb big :)
[07:27] <jariep1_> ok
[07:29] <shawkins-away> what version of phpmyadmin do you currently have installed?
[07:30] <shawkins-away> jariep? you there?
[07:30] <jariep1_> ok
[07:31] <jariep1_> was reading the page on the bug
[07:31] <jariep1_> ok
[07:31] <shawkins-away> what version of phpmyadmin do you have installed?
[07:31] <jariep1_> hold on
[07:31] <shawkins-away> I just did the same thing :)
[07:31] <jariep1_> how do i get version of php?
[07:31] <jariep1_> i mean
[07:31] <jariep1_> phpmyadmin
[07:31] <shawkins-away> php doesn't matter in this case...
[07:31] <jariep1_> right, just typo
[07:31] <shawkins-away> yeah, good question, go to its directory,
[07:31] <shawkins-away> ummm..... I'll have to check myself, one sec
[07:32] <jariep1_> i can go to adept
[07:32] <jariep1_> it'll give me version number i think
[07:32] <shawkins-away> yeah
[07:32] <shawkins-away> if not we can go about it another way
[07:33] <jariep1_> ok
[07:33] <jariep1_> it's comming
[07:33] <jariep1_> 2.6.4-pl1-1ubuntu1.1
[07:34] <shawkins-away> you should be able to upgrade that
[07:34] <jariep1_> ok, shawkins-away, if you need to get some sleep, don't worry about me
[07:34] <jariep1_> i'll be here another day
[07:34] <shawkins-away> mine is showing 2.7.0-pl2-1
[07:34] <shawkins-away> no, its ok
[07:34] <jariep1_> maybe tomorrow in evening
[07:34] <jariep1_> ok
[07:35] <jariep1_> i have breezy badger 5.10
[07:35] <jariep1_> not beta version
[07:35] <shawkins-away> when you do apt-get update, do you get a list various files apt-get recieves?
[07:35] <jariep1_> i hano
[07:35] <jariep1_> no
[07:35] <jariep1_> just the URLs
[07:35] <jariep1_> of the repositories
[07:36] <shawkins-away> ok, close enough
[07:36] <shawkins-away> same thing...
[07:36] <shawkins-away> can you do.... apt-get upgrade phpmyadmin?
[07:36] <jariep1_> ok
[07:37] <shawkins-away> or is that the newest version in breezy's repositories..
[07:37] <jariep1_> ok it's downloading
[07:37] <shawkins-away> ok
[07:38] <shawkins-away> after it upgrades that, try to apt-get remove phpmyadmin
[07:38] <jariep1_> ok
[07:39] <jariep1_> shawkins-away
[07:39] <jariep1_> it's upgrading a lot of stuff
[07:39] <shawkins-away> how much?
[07:39] <jariep1_> it's still downloading
[07:40] <shawkins-away> did you type apt-get upgrade? or apt-get upgrade phpmyadmin?
[07:40] <jariep1_> apt-get upgrade phpmyadmin
[07:40] <shawkins-away> what all is it downloading? how much mb?
[07:41] <jariep1_> let me tell you
[07:41] <jariep1_> just give me a sec to scroll up
[07:41] <jariep1_> 85 megabytes
[07:41] <jariep1_> i have big pipe
[07:42] <shawkins-away> wow.... what all is it downloading? kind of... odd...
[07:42] <jariep1_> shawkins-away, i have 3megabit pipe
[07:42] <jariep1_> perl and kde
[07:42] <shawkins-away> yeah, regardless... don't know why it would download all of that...
[07:43] <jariep1_> is there anyway to undo the update?
[07:43] <jariep1_> should take about10 15 min
[07:43] <jariep1_> already 6 minutes done
[07:43] <shawkins-away> press control C...... I think that'll do it, but the updates other then phpmyadmin should help you out..
[07:43] <jariep1_> ok
[07:44] <jariep1_> it's upgrading kde
[07:44] <jariep1_> i have the space so that shouldn't be a problem
[07:45] <jariep1_> ok it's unpacking
[07:45] <shawkins-away> yeah, downloading 85mb doesn't always means it'll take that up if its just upgrading, maybe only take up a few mb after its done
[07:45] <shawkins-away> ok
[07:46] <jariep1_> shawkins, if you have to go to work tomorrow, you better get some rest
[07:46] <shawkins-away> don't worry about it... I'm hoping one more command and we'll be done
[07:46] <jariep1_> ok
[07:47] <jariep1_> i'm in Texas, are you in North America?
[07:47] <shawkins-away> after this, and I just installed and removed it... 'apt-get remove phpmyadmin' should work fine
[07:47] <shawkins-away> I'm in Indiana
[07:47] <jariep1_> oh ok
[07:47] <jariep1_> ok it's done
[07:48] <shawkins-away> ok, try the apt-get remove phpmyadmin command
[07:48] <jariep1_> same error
[07:49] <jariep1_> well look, if there is nothing wrong with it installed
[07:49] <jariep1_> and it is a bug in the removal
[07:49] <jariep1_> Maybe i'll stick with it
[07:49] <jariep1_> but
[07:49] <shawkins-away> ok, well if you don't want it, you can just as easily remove the directory itself, it may still say it installed, but you'll know better
[07:49] <jariep1_> at least i know it is a bug that is on file
[07:49] <shawkins-away> but ?
[07:49] <shawkins-away> yeah
[07:50] <shawkins-away> ok, well now I'm back off to bed, night
[07:50] <jariep1_> ok
[07:50] <jariep1_> good night
[07:50] <jariep1_> hope to see you in future
[07:50] <shawkins-away> I'll be here as often as I can, so you probably will :)
[07:50] <jariep1_> sure
[07:51] <shawkins-away> *yawns* g'night
[07:51] <jariep1_> night :)
[07:52] <aenertia> what is the proper backports src line in source.list?
[07:53] <aenertia> I am getting md5 mismatches from the singapore one
[07:53] <sampan> aenertia: # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:54] <sampan> without the # of course
[07:54] <aenertia> taa
[07:56] <aenertia> cool fixed that issue...
[07:56] <aenertia> now i'm gettting bad gpg sigs from security sigs
[07:56] <aenertia> Do I need to import a keyring from somewhere?
[07:57] <kkathman> aenertia: its possible that some of the packages could be signed
[07:58] <aenertia> http://pastebin.com/509480
[07:58] <kkathman> Riddell signs alot of his packages, for instance
[07:58] <aenertia> so  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[07:59] <aenertia> apt-key add ... shoudl fix everything?
[07:59] <kkathman> I dunno if it will fix everything
[07:59] <aenertia> Kinda strange considering they are security reps..
[07:59] <kkathman> I dont use the backports
[07:59] <aenertia> If that fluffs up then noone can use
[08:01] <aenertia> hrm... says it's the standard ubuntu automatic signing key that's giving me issues
[08:01] <aenertia> refer to above pastebin
[08:01] <aenertia> adding ridells key didn't help none
[08:02] <kkathman> yahmm dunno
[08:02] <kkathman> like I said I dont use the backports
[08:02] <kkathman> one sec
[08:02] <aenertia> this is nothing to do with backports by the looks of it
[08:03] <aenertia> hold on will try commenting out and see what happens... as I said this is security
[08:03] <kkathman> aenertia:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6624
[08:04] <aenertia> hrm... okay it's security related to backports...
[08:06] <jariep1_> you go ahead with aenertia, when you have time, just want to ask you about an issue I have with mysql, which won't startup on bootup anymore, even after using Bootup Manager
[08:06] <aenertia> aha!
[08:06] <aenertia> Useful ;-)
[08:07] <aenertia> done!
[08:07] <aenertia> cheers for that
[08:08] <aenertia> kernel comes through apt right?
[08:08] <aenertia> what kernels are available?
[08:08] <aenertia> is there an smp-i686 optimised available?
[08:09] <jariep1_> aenertia, is kkarthman still here?
[08:09] <crimsun> linux-686-smp
[08:09] <aenertia> cheers thanx
[08:09] <aenertia> apt-get installing will set as default correct?
[08:10] <aenertia> or do I need to fiddle grub?
[08:10] <sanchos> hi. uh. what package holds xorgcfg or xorgconfig?
[08:10] <sanchos> I need to re-do my xorg.conf file
[08:11] <sanchos> maybe I should have asked if anyone was alive first.
[08:11] <sanchos> I use gentoo on my other box.
[08:11] <aenertia> is there an apt equivilent?
[08:11] <sanchos> but I needed to find it. :)
[08:12] <aenertia> you lost your box? I did that once
[08:12] <aenertia> Router... could ping... etc was still serving.... just no idea where the hell it was
[08:13] <sanchos> no. I need to find xorgcfg for ubuntu
[08:13] <sanchos> :)
[08:13] <sanchos> I know where my box is.
[08:13] <aenertia> ended up being under the garage storage... nice n safe where I put it
[08:18] <duckdown> Can someone tell me how to get sound working in firefox? (like for java applets or flash or websites)..  My sound works in KDE just fine
[08:19] <aenertia> duckdown: launch firefox with artsdsp firefox
[08:19] <jariep1_> can somebody help me out on getting mysql running in kubuntu?
[08:19] <aenertia> either that or disable artsd completely
[08:20] <aenertia> jariep1_: wahts it doing?
[08:20] <crimsun> duckdown: echo "FIREFOX_DSP=none" >> ~/.mozilla-firefoxrc
[08:20] <duckdown> aenertia: Let me try that, thanks
[08:20] <duckdown> crimsun: sweet
[08:20] <aenertia> try crimsun solutions aswell
[08:20] <aenertia> it's a more permanent and better solution
[08:20] <duckdown> crimsun: thanks ill do that now
[08:20] <jariep1_> When i installed 4.1 it ran out of the box, but after uininstalling it and installing 4.0 it can't start it up
[08:20] <aenertia> jariep1_: thats because 4.1 has a different authentication system..
[08:21] <aenertia> go read the readme notes!
[08:21] <aenertia> What it means is your mysql table is fucked
[08:21] <aenertia> if you don't have data you want to keep just delete everything in /var/lib/mysql/*  and rerun mysql_installdb
[08:22] <jariep1_> ok
[08:23] <duckdown>  crimsun shoot, that didnt do it
[08:23] <duckdown> crimsun: for some reason not many engines work.. gstreamer wont, i dont think arts does, i always use xine
[08:24] <aenertia> duckdown:
[08:24] <duckdown> hi
[08:24] <aenertia> This is my prefered solution
[08:24] <duckdown> cool
[08:24] <aenertia> disable arts complete from kontrol-centre
[08:24] <aenertia> under sound and multimedia ....sound system... unselect enable the sound system.
[08:25] <duckdown> is kontrol-center a 3rd party app or part of kde?
[08:25] <jariep1_> i think it's part of KDE
[08:25] <aenertia> if you want system notification.. then go into system notifications... and click on player settings...  then "use an external player" enter play or if you like mplayer (if it's installed)
[08:25] <aenertia> it's part of kde
[08:25] <aenertia> yes
[08:26] <aenertia> artsd is evil
[08:26] <aenertia> it's screws up lots of stuff.
[08:26] <aenertia> It's gone in kde development
[08:26] <duckdown> I can't see kontrol-center anywhere
[08:26] <duckdown> on any of the menus
[08:27] <jariep1_> aenertia, where can I find mysql_installdb?
[08:27] <duckdown> ohh System Settings
[08:27] <aenertia> control center... system settings... the place where you change shit in kde
[08:27] <jariep1_> i used locate but can't find it
[08:27] <aenertia> mysql_install_db
[08:27] <aenertia> my bad
[08:27] <jariep1_> ok
[08:28] <duckdown> Well I dont see anywhere to disable arts in my Sound & Multimedia menu, but the test sound plays just dine
[08:28] <aenertia> you will need to set and inital mysql root password again.
[08:28] <duckdown> *fine sorry
[08:28] <aenertia> Instructions on the web do a google
[08:28] <aenertia> Should be two tabs...
[08:28] <aenertia> general and hardware.
[08:28] <aenertia> Right at the top is a little checkbox
[08:28] <aenertia> that says "enable sound system"
[08:29] <duckdown> Ohh yeah
[08:29] <aenertia> uncheck it and everything will go gray
[08:29] <duckdown> doesnt mention arts, sorry
[08:29] <duckdown> ok no pro
[08:29] <aenertia> yeah arts is the name of the kde sound system
[08:29] <duckdown> done
[08:29] <duckdown> ahh perfect
[08:29] <aenertia> Some kde games etc won't have sound.. but i'm sure you can live with it.
[08:29] <aenertia> If you still want system notifications... then do as indicated above
[08:29] <aenertia> Firefox shoudl work fine now
[08:30] <duckdown> well it worked though, so i wonder why firefox didnt
[08:30] <duckdown> ok cool let me try
[08:30] <aenertia> as will everything  else.
[08:30] <aenertia> artsd is a royal pain in the ass
[08:30] <duckdown> the hell
[08:30] <duckdown> still nothing :S
[08:30] <duckdown> this is messed.
[08:31] <aenertia> open a konsole
[08:31] <aenertia> type ps -ax |grep artsd
[08:31] <aenertia> paste result
[08:31] <duckdown> its running
[08:32] <duckdown> duckdown  7555  0.0  1.8  32584  9552 ?        Ss   Jan16   0:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[08:32] <duckdown> duckdown  8804  0.0  0.2   3800  1276 ?        Ss   02:31   0:00 /bin/sh -c ps aux |grep artsd
[08:32] <duckdown> duckdown  8806  0.0  0.1   3060   624 ?        R    02:31   0:00 grep artsd
[08:32] <duckdown> ack sorry, too many lines
[08:33] <duckdown> should i kill -9 it
[08:35] <aenertia> yup
[08:35] <aenertia> You did hit apply in kontrol centre right?
[08:35] <aenertia> You may have applications which are using arts output module
[08:35] <aenertia> Anything like amaork... make sure you change engie to xine with alsa output
[08:36] <aenertia> Cos otherwise they will load arts again...
[08:36] <duckdown> ok let me kill it
[08:36] <aenertia> Once you have clensed your system of it's evil grip all shall prosper in the land of audio
[08:36] <duckdown> lol
[08:36] <duckdown> :D
[08:37] <duckdown> oh this is just retarded
[08:37] <duckdown> its STILL not working
[08:38] <aenertia> what exactly is firefox not outputting audio on?
[08:39] <duckdown> let me get you a link
[08:39] <aenertia> maybe restart your session before trying anythink else...
[08:39] <aenertia> I have to go finish making dinner
[08:41] <duckdown> whoa now it worked on a differnt site I think
[08:41] <duckdown> ok no problem let me fool around
[08:41] <duckdown> thanks for the help man
[08:41] <duckdown> ill be here
[08:46] <jariep1_> what do i need to do for mysql to show up in phpinfo?
[08:51] <jariep1_> ho shogouki
[08:51] <jariep1_> hi i mean
[08:51] <jariep1_> typo
[08:52] <jariep1_> hi hobbsee
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hi jariep1_ :)
[08:52] <jariep1_> hobbsee, I have a little bit of a problem with mysql showing in in phpinfo
[08:53] <jariep1_> but phpmyadmin seems to work
[08:53] <jariep1_> not sure what is going on
[08:53] <jariep1_> i would think that if phpmyadmin works
[08:53] <jariep1_> to access mysql
[08:53] <jariep1_> that php-mysql is installed
[08:54] <revdev> If you are able to succesfully use phpMyAdmin to administer your databases, then yes, MySQL support is installed.
[08:54] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea about mysql or phpinfo sorry
[08:55] <jariep1_> ok
[08:55] <jariep1_> okok
[08:55] <jariep1_> i remember
[08:55] <jariep1_> I need to restart apache
[09:02] <ilba7r> anyone know if the acpi -t command will return the motherboard or cpu temp
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ilba7r: try it?  i'd like to know, too
[09:02] <ilba7r> i did Hobbsee
[09:03] <ilba7r> but do not know if the report for motherboard or cpu
[09:03] <ilba7r> still googling it out
[09:03] <revdev>  Thermal 1: ok, 40.0 degrees C
[09:03] <revdev> on my system, acpi -t returns
[09:03] <revdev> sorry
[09:07] <ilba7r> ok i guess it is for the mortherboard as the trip points are near 100 C
[09:20] <ilba7r> seems my question was much deeper than i thought. googling reveal conflicting views. but basically seems hard to associate the temp with device, most probably them0 is the motherboard temp
[09:25] <Tm_T> good?
[09:25] <Hobbsee> looks good
[09:25] <Tm_T> :)
[09:26] <Hobbsee> it's amazing how much faster kde copies when you dont try to copy 1.6 mb of files in one hit...
[09:26] <Tm_T> dapperdapperdapperdapper <3 ...flight 3 \o/
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:27] <Hobbsee> i shoulda downloaded that, and used it, but oh well
[09:27] <Tm_T> :p
[09:27] <Tm_T> haven't tried any
[09:27] <Tm_T> maybe I will
[09:27] <Hobbsee> which, flight cds?
[09:27] <Tm_T> yeah
[09:28] <Hobbsee> they're quite nice :) - all install fine
[09:29] <Hobbsee> flight 1, at least
[09:29] <Tm_T> :p
[09:38] <bard> When I open a link in Openoffice Konqueror is launched, but the OOo ui is blocked untill i close Konqueror. Tips on how to change that behavoir? I haven't found any solution :/
[09:39] <Tm_T> sorry, I don't use OOo :(
[09:44] <sampan> bard, i have that same issue with irssi and firefox -- a workaround in my case was to have firefox already running (any desktop) -- then it doesn't blank my irssi screen
[09:47] <ilba7r> ok defently on my laptop i am getting the cpu reading. now are there any idea on how to get the reading from the remaining 6 temperature sensors i have. The laptop is T42 thinkpad
[09:48] <sampan> bard, unfortunately that doesn't seem to solve it -- i get the same thing: the OOo window is locked after launching konq.  in fact, even after closing konq it will not come back -- i have to kill the process
[09:48] <sampan> weird
[09:49] <bard> sampan: I made /usr/bin/x-www-browser a symlink to firefox instead. That works better, it forks off so OOo doesn't block
[09:50] <ilba7r> sampan, ya i was gona recommend the same change the default browser in oo
[09:50] <sampan> bard, cool :)  i presume i just kill that process /usr/bin/x-www-browser and replace with a symlink to firefox
[09:50] <sampan> nice
[09:51] <ilba7r> sampan, i think you can select friefox directly under options
[09:51] <bard> sampan:  But then the firefox init script is a bit weird, so you would have to make a symlink called x-www-browser-bin -> firefox-bin in the firefox directory
[09:51] <bard> ilba7r: Where?
[09:52] <sampan> heh, yeah it's already a symlink to /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[09:52] <aenertia> umm getting unmet deps when upgrading to kde 3.5 on breezy  is there a howto somewhere?
[09:52] <ilba7r> bard let me launch oo and look it up
[09:52] <bard> ilba7r: I looked around, but could find any place to change default browser
[09:52] <sampan> ilba7r  "under options" -- in OOo?
[09:53] <ilba7r> sampan, that is where i usually do it
[09:54] <sampan> just making sure ... i wonder if there's a sudo update-alternatives command for browser too since /usr/bin/x-www-browser is already a symlink
[09:54] <ilba7r> bard, you seem to be right it does not appear here. except for internet>mozilla plugin. I think they hid it from the menu
[09:55] <ilba7r> dam that was a nice option in the old openoffice
[09:56] <arrinmurr> aenertia: hmm.. are you using the KDE 3.5 repository from kubuntu.org?
[09:58] <sampan> hate it when they hide options!
[09:58] <sampan> >:/
[10:04] <paines> hi
[10:04] <paines> i wanted to test dapper fligt 2 (amd64) but my sata controller and so the hd's won't be detected. it is a sata sil 3114 controller. any idea.
[10:05] <crimsun> flight 3 is out, or did you make a typo above?
[10:06] <nalioth> crimsun: it's out
[10:07] <paines> no
[10:07] <crimsun> paines: did you mean you tried flight 3?
[10:07] <paines> the hp is just mentioning flight -2
[10:07] <crimsun> paines: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-January/000048.html
[10:08] <paines> oh
[10:08] <paines> didn't know that
[10:08] <paines> crimsun, thanks
[10:25] <aenertia> what repo is azureus in?
[10:25] <aenertia> got a source.list line anyone?
[10:25] <nalioth> ubotu: tell aenertia about azureus
[10:25] <Tm_T> azureus :(
[10:25] <aenertia> yay for autobouts
[10:26] <aenertia> why is it in multiverse?
[10:26] <aenertia> meh
[10:35] <Gentix> when I apt-get the kernel source of the running kernel will automatically get the same config of the running kernel??
[10:35] <crimsun> your config is currently at /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[10:36] <Gentix> yes, but wil that config be auto loaded when I do a make menuconfig?
[10:36] <crimsun> yes
[10:37] <Gentix> okay, that's what I needed to know!
[10:37] <Gentix> thanx
[10:38] <tictric> ahem, the config that automatically gets loaded is .config in /usr/src/linux isn't it. Or are you talking bout somethin different?
[10:39] <crimsun> tictric: make menuconfig will parse .config first and fall back to /boot/config-$(uname -r) if the former doesn't exist
[10:40] <tictric> but you can import the config or just type make oldconfig
[10:40] <tictric> crimsun: ah, I never realised :-)
[10:41] <tictric> but haven't had the need to compile a kernel myself for a long time.
[10:41] <tictric> fortunately
[10:47] <juif_> hello, i need to know where i would enter static IP adresses, and DNS, and all that stuff
[10:48] <juif_> i want to get it out of DHCP
[10:50] <tictric>  /etc/networking/interfaces
[10:50] <ilba7r> what is the network manager for kde it is easier this way
[10:52] <tictric> ilba7r: hmm, have never looked at it. Config file works independently from kde I thought.
[10:53] <ilba7r> i just can not remember its name. do not use kde as often
[10:53] <juif_> ok
[10:53] <ilba7r> command line is ifconfig
[10:53] <juif_> i found the file in /etc/network
[10:54] <ilba7r> you have to specify your dns in a seperate file let me look it up
[10:54] <tictric> juif_: no the files name is /etc/network/interfaces
[10:55] <ilba7r> edit /etc/resolv.conf  than put nameserver and put the ip address
[10:55] <ilba7r> tictric, /etc/network/interfaces is for the configuration i know but this is an extra step
[10:56] <tictric> ilba7r: hang on a moment. does he want a different nameserver or a different ip address?
[10:56] <ilba7r> mm i think he need to config both
[10:56] <juif_> i want to specify the IP adress, DNS server and that stuff
[10:56] <tictric> juif_: read *man interfaces*
[10:56] <juif_> ok
[10:56] <juif_> will do
[10:57] <tictric> for the nameserver put it in interfaces too because that stuff changes somehow in dapper
[10:58] <tictric> dns-nameservers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[10:58] <ilba7r> tictric, thanx for the info do not use dapper though not yet
[10:59] <tictric> either you do it now, or later :-)
[10:59] <ilba7r> frankly will wait till users test dapper for me :)
[10:59] <tictric> I'm happy with it right now :-)
[11:00] <ilba7r> i am tempted but can not aford risking a stable os anymore.
[11:00] <orion> hi could you help me with some proftpd issues ?
[11:00] <tictric> maybe
[11:01] <orion> ok server is up and running
[11:01] <Tm_T> orion: you might have better luck in #ubuntu though
[11:01] <Tm_T> but we can try ;)
[11:01] <orion> but I would like to add a folder which is outside of the anonymous home folder
[11:03] <tictric> orion: http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/proftpd/
[11:04] <orion> tictric: thx
[11:06] <hawking> I have installed network-manager now how can i run it? it says network-manager no command
[11:06] <ilba7r> !networkmanager
[11:06] <ubotu> [networkmanager]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto
[11:09] <supratech> saludos a todos/as
[11:17] <hawking> I don't want to see this kubuntu picture and blue font stuff at startup I just want to see the terminal how can i do that?
[11:19] <hawking> no ideaS?
[11:20] <ilba7r> hawking, what you want is to disable kdm and install xdm
[11:21] <ilba7r> its quite a hastle just wondering why you need it. If you needed a server you could have installed the server version of ubuntu
[11:21] <hawking> no I just want to see tty1 at boot screen
[11:21] <bimberi> hawking: remove "splash" from the kernel lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:21] <hawking> bimberi : thx
[11:21] <bimberi> *line
[11:21] <bimberi> hawking: yw :)
[11:32] <bazan> hello i'm using a french keboard with breezy
[11:32] <bazan> and i can not write any "arobas" or capital key
[11:32] <bazan> because the conbinason shift+"k"  esult qith a small "k"
[11:33] <bazan> do you hava any odea on how to fix it..
[11:34] <juif_> yeah
[11:34] <juif_> i want to add to that question
[11:34] <juif_> why do the ALT+###s not working ?
[11:34] <juif_> or, why are
[11:35] <bazan> juif_: what do you expect it to do .
[11:35] <juif_> well
[11:35] <juif_> ASCII
[11:35] <bazan> hum ok :)
[11:36] <juif_> btw, i really wonder who you people are :) are you mostly working on kubuntu ? random friendly geeks ? or what ?
[11:39] <juif_> users, paid immigrants, you know...
[11:40] <juif_> i guess its a good thing
[11:40] <juif_> since extra terrestrial assholes and malevolent scheming cowboys are plotting against us
[11:41] <juif_> cool
[11:45] <dipnlik_> hi all. everytime i login, the KOrganizer Alarm Daemon starts too. i disable the daemon and quit it everytime, but it still comes back. how can i disable it permanently?
[11:53] <Gentix> i have probs compiling the nvidia drivers over my new kernel
[11:53] <Gentix> it wants to use gcc 4 while the kernel wants 3.4
[11:56] <bimberi> Gentix: install gcc-3.4 then type CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 before doing ./configure
[11:57] <Gentix> did that, I the kernel only wanted to be compiled with 3.4
[11:57] <Gentix> but nvidia wants to use 4.0
[12:00] <Skoll> hello, one cuestion
[12:00] <Skoll> where can I download kubuntu 6.04?
[12:01] <visik7> kubuntu 6.04 isn't relased yet
[12:01] <visik7> you can download the dapper filght cd
[12:04] <Skoll> visik7: but is instalable that version?
[12:04] <visik7> yes it's unstable
[12:05] <visik7> oh sorry
[12:05] <visik7> misunderstood
[12:05] <visik7> yes it's installable
[12:05] <derg> hello
[12:05] <Skoll> one more question
[12:05] <kalmana> chill
[12:05] <bimberi> !flight3
[12:05] <ubotu> Dapper Flight CD 3 is ready - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-January/000048.html
[12:05] <derg> cs tex
[12:05] <kalmana> csdr
[12:05] <derg> mi a helyzet
[12:05] <kalmana> internummen
[12:05] <Skoll> I need, in other distros, use the command "alsaconf" to configure my sound
[12:06] <kalmana> a pufi szjszaga kbt
[12:06] <visik7> isn't this an english channel kalmana ? ????
[12:06] <Skoll> is that command able to ubuntu?
[12:06] <derg> alsaconf
[12:06] <crimsun> Kubuntu doesn't ship alsaconf as part of alsa-utils, no.
[12:06] <kalmana> h, visik7, bazzd meg
[12:06] <derg> "alsaconf"
[12:06] <visik7> kalmana: use in english please!
[12:06] <kalmana> j em inglish
[12:06] <visik7> I see only strange characters
[12:07] <visik7>  /words
[12:07] <kalmana> i write in Hungarian
[12:07] <derg> hello everibody
[12:07] <kalmana> do you know what it is?
[12:08] <kalmana> pax, itt vagy?
[12:08] <derg> jaja
[12:08] <kalmana> akkor chill
[12:09] <kalmana> te fasz, ltlak, cigny
[12:09] <visik7> kalmana: yes but this isn't kubuntu-hu
[12:09] <visik7> this is kubuntu
[12:11] <derg> kubuntu???
[12:12] <Tm_T> yes, #kubuntu
[12:12] <visik7> yes you know ? the linux distro ?
[12:12] <visik7> derivated from debian ?
[12:12] <Tm_T> and we prefer english here because most of us understands it
[12:12] <kalmana> what is this kubuntu?
[12:12] <Tm_T> :p
[12:12] <visik7> this is the english-speak channel
[12:12] <kalmana> i speak english
[12:12] <visik7> so USE it
[12:12] <Tm_T> :)
[12:13] <Tm_T> kalmana: www.kubuntu.org
[12:13] <kalmana> are you from England? or USA?
[12:13] <visik7> quite simple
[12:13] <Tm_T> kalmana: Finland
[12:13] <visik7> I'm from Italy but use english 'couse I'm polite
[12:13] <Tm_T> visik7: paskaa puhut
[12:13] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:13] <ubunku> Kubuntu kde version of Ubuntu
[12:14] <derg> I'm here!
[12:14] <Tm_T> derg: you're not
[12:15] <Tm_T> as I said...
[12:15] <kalmana> oh, i like Finland. I was there in the summer
[12:15] <Tm_T> kalmana: oh, where, eastern?
[12:16] <Tm_T> derg: yes you're here now
[12:16] <derg> I'm derg
[12:16] <kalmana> Yeah, above the Arctic Circle
[12:16] <kalmana> i saw the Santa claus park
[12:16] <Tm_T> kalmana: aah, lapland
[12:16] <Tm_T> haha, plastic
[12:16] <kalmana> yeah. Isn't cold there now?
[12:17] <Tm_T> nah, only -25'C
[12:17] <Tm_T> with wind it's ~ -40'C
[12:17] <Tm_T> not bad
[12:17] <Tm_T> when you stay in ;)
[12:18] <kalmana> i really like the summer. there's sun always
[12:18] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:18] <Tm_T> in north yes
[12:19] <kalmana> but i couldn't stand the flies - we were in a forest
[12:19] <derg> dssa
[12:19] <Tm_T> you get used to it
[12:19] <kalmana> do you know Sallatunturi. I was there
[12:19] <DaVinnie> Hello again
[12:19] <DaVinnie> (Derg)
[12:19] <kalmana> DaVinnie is from DragonBall
[12:19] <Tm_T> kalmana: I do know :)
[12:20] <DaVinnie> yes you're right
[12:20] <kalmana> I really liked that place. In this country, the air is less cleaner
[12:21] <kalmana> i'm in the school now. Its 12:21 here
[12:21] <DaVinnie> What are you talking about?
[12:22] <kalmana> is there anyone here?
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi threre
[12:23] <kalmana> hi
[12:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it possible to execute in kde an application is simulated gnome?
[12:23] <kalmana> what are you talkin' about?
[12:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> my matlab keep crashing and mathworks suggest to try to execute matlab in gnome
[12:24] <kalmana> what is matlab?
[12:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> a math program
[12:24] <kalmana> oh, how old are you?
[12:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 22
[12:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[12:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in a simulated gnome*
[12:25] <kalmana> im only 15
[12:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> aha, ok
[12:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :P
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> go out guy.. the world is beautyful!!
[12:26] <kalmana> i'm in school now.
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oo, i see, enjoy
[12:26] <kalmana> it's only Tuesday. The weekend is so far.
[12:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> aha
[12:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :) i know
[12:28] <kalmana> Tallia, where are you from
[12:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Italia, but now i am in canada
[12:28] <kalmana> lucky. i'm stuck in Hungary for my rest life
[12:29] <DaVinnie> Hungary are you hungry? :-)
[12:29] <kalmana> bazzd meg dr, dumllok
[12:30] <DaVinnie> az tk j
[12:30] <kalmana> kuss bazmeg
[12:30] <DaVinnie> mi a baj?
[12:30] <kalmana> kuss
[12:31] <kalmana> hey, Tallia, are you a student?
[12:32] <kalmana> hah, is there anyone here?
[12:32] <DaVinnie>  *** Snake|Sleeping is now known as Snake__.
[12:32] <kalmana> dr, nemmm
[12:32] <Snake__> DaVinnie, uh?
[12:33] <kalmana> DaVinnie is my stupid friend
[12:33] <kalmana> don't believe him, he isn't from dragonball
[12:34] <kalmana> who stayed here???????????
[12:34] <DaVinnie> I!
[12:34] <Snake__> lol
[12:34] <kalmana> ??!!$[a
[12:34] <kalmana> what is lol?
[12:36] <DaVinnie> NOOB!
[12:36] <kalmana> Ez mit jelent?
[12:36] <DaVinnie> Snake_ I am not your stupid friend!
[12:36] <kalmana> ne m, tnyleg?
[12:36] <DaVinnie> De mr
[12:36] <kalmana> n rtam a stupid friend-et
[12:37] <DaVinnie> hogy vltasz sznt?
[12:37] <DaVinnie> <-- _office has left this channel. ("Konversation terminated!")
[12:37] <kalmana> n nem vltok. vagy igen?
[12:37] <DaVinnie> nlam nha piris
[12:37] <DaVinnie> piros
[12:38] <kalmana> nlam mindig fekete
[12:38] <kalmana> jssz grdesznyzni
[12:39] <orion> stop flooding in non english language pleaase
[12:39] <orion> I m french and writting english
[12:39] <kalmana> OK it was just hungarian
[12:39] <DaVinnie> Salut!
[12:39] <orion> salut DaVinnie
[12:39] <DaVinnie> I learn french
[12:40] <orion> but we better talk english as a proof of respect to the community
[12:40] <kalmana> Qu'est-ce que tu fais?
[12:40] <orion> DaVinnie: ho ok and where are u from ?
[12:41] <nalioth> #kubuntu-offtopic awaits for non help discussion
[12:41] <DaVinnie> I am from hungary
[12:41] <orion> ok
[12:41] <DaVinnie> what is ho ok?
[12:41] <kalmana> how old are you orion
[12:41] <DaVinnie> 15
[12:41] <orion> 24
[12:41] <DaVinnie> and u?
[12:41] <DaVinnie> ok
[12:42] <kalmana> I'm 28
[12:42] <orion> ok cool everybody
[12:42] <DaVinnie> Kalmana 15
[12:42] <orion> but now please keep in mind this is a help channel
[12:42] <orion> so let us stop chatting like that
[12:42] <nalioth> gentlemen and ladies, #kubuntu-offtopic awaits for all your off topic discussion
[12:42] <kalmana> Can you help only about computer topics in this channel?
[12:43] <kalmana> so?
[12:43] <orion> how to change nickname ?
[12:43] <orion> on IRC
[12:44] <orion> what s the command
[12:44] <nalioth> orion: type /nick YOUR_NEW_NICK
[12:44] <orion> ok thx
[12:44] <DaVinnie> type /derg
[12:44] <kalmana> nem tudtok beszlni ezen a nyelven, faszkalapok
[12:44] <kalmana> hehehe
[12:44] <DaVinnie> orion:_ where do you live
[12:45] <kalmana> ha azt krdezem mitl dglik a lgy, arra mit rsz?
[12:46] <nalioth> it has been requested to speak english here
[12:46] <kalmana> OK Ich bin Grai$
[01:05] <DerCorny> greetings
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hi DerCorny
[01:08] <DerCorny> i think i probably blame myself now, but i wanted to test the new dapper flight 3
[01:08] <DerCorny> but when booting the livecd, it was just normal ubuntu
[01:09] <DerCorny> was i too dumb to grab the right iso?
[01:10] <DerCorny> i probably was, nevermind
[01:10] <Hobbsee> DerCorny: there are some changes, but not that obvious
[01:10] <Hobbsee> a lot lower down - not that you see at first look
[01:11] <DerCorny> no, i dont mind the changes, i mind its booting up gnome while i expected kde
[01:11] <Hobbsee> you didnt get the kubuntu flight 3 cds?
[01:12] <DerCorny> no, seems like a downloaded the ubuntu one, not the kbuntu one. unfortunately, my md5sum doesnt match either one, i 'll simply redownload
[01:13] <Hobbsee> it's not *that* stable - you might want to wait till release
[01:14] <DerCorny> he, noticed that yesterday - i downloaded the nightly livedvd and it failed to auto-login the "ubuntu" user rendering the whole thing useless :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> darn
[01:15] <Hobbsee> i've only worked with install cs
[01:15] <Hobbsee> *cds
[01:17] <DerCorny> yeah, but 5.10 fails to boot on my laptop :/
[01:17] <Hobbsee> really?
[01:17] <Hobbsee> wonder why
[01:19] <DerCorny> hotplug tries to load a missing module, known error on some centrino laptops (according to the forums - as i said i'm not used to kubuntu)
[01:29] <visik7> DerCorny: blacklist it
[01:31] <DerCorny> visik7: it was the livedvd
[01:32] <visik7> oh
[01:32] <visik7> so install it and it shouldn't bother anymore
[01:33] <DerCorny> ok, i think i'll do that in a few hours
[02:03] <Alexander12> salve a tutti ;)
[02:04] <Alexander12> scusate ma come mai la penna usb viene riconosciuta da kubuntu ma non viene letta?...per problemi con il file di sistema della penna, o qualcosa di simile...
[02:05] <Alexander12> qualcuno gentilmente mi potrebbe dare una mano?
[02:08] <dipnlik> Alexander12: english only, please
[02:09] <dipnlik> Alexander12: i think there is a #kubuntu-it channel
[02:09] <Alexander12> ok, thank you and sorry :D
[02:09] <Alexander12> bye
[02:12] <orion_fr_24> how can i add external folder to a user on proftpd ?
[02:17] <dodobrain> hi all
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:17] <ilba7r> hi
[02:17] <dodobrain> can i download the kubuntu-desktop files (debs) and keep them opn cdrom to install on another machine later?
[02:17] <dodobrain> i want to install kde on a breezy machine with no net connection
[02:18] <dipnlik> dodobrain: you probably can
[02:18] <dipnlik> dodobrain: apt-get has a download only option
[02:19] <dodobrain> where i can find the debs?
[02:19] <dipnlik> dodobrain: /var/cache/apt/ , IIRC
[02:19] <dodobrain> if i download them manually and write them to a cd. it should be fine installing all of them manually on a different machine at a later time?
[02:19] <ilba7r> /var/cashe/apt
[02:19] <dodobrain> dipnlik, this doesn;t have net connection
[02:19] <dodobrain> and other machines don;t run ubuntu
[02:19] <ilba7r> doodbrain you can sudo aptitude clean
[02:20] <dodobrain> or any form of debian
[02:20] <ilba7r> to clean the cash
[02:20] <dodobrain> err..
[02:20] <dipnlik> dodobrain: i understand your problem
[02:20] <ilba7r> then download them and copy them from the cash
[02:20] <dodobrain> please read what i am saying :)
[02:20] <dodobrain> ilba7r, didn;t i just say no from of deb machine here?
[02:20] <orion_fr_24> CAN ANYBODY help me with proftpd
[02:20] <dipnlik> dodobrain: what i'd try is download the debs and burn them, then add the CD as a repo with apt-setup
[02:21] <dodobrain> dipnlik, i don;t care much about adding in the cd as a repo.
[02:21] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: PLEASE DONT SHOUT
[02:21] <dodobrain> as long as i can manually install those debs using apt, i'm happy
[02:21] <dipnlik> dodobrain: try that then
[02:21] <dipnlik> and good luck
[02:21] <ilba7r> dodobrain do not be a dodobrain i am just trying to help ;)
[02:22] <dodobrain> dipnlik, is luck necessary?
[02:22] <dodobrain> ilba7r, :p
[02:22] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: if you do them manually, then you will have to do dependancies yourself
[02:22] <dipnlik> dodobrain: :P not sure if the repo thing works
[02:22] <orion_fr_24> CAN ANYBODY help me with proftpd
[02:22] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, err..
[02:23] <dodobrain> this is exactly what i wanted to know.
[02:23] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: STOP SHOUTING
[02:23] <dodobrain> i want to download _all_ the kde packages for breezy
[02:23] <dodobrain> then installing manually will not be a problem?
[02:23] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: i would use wget -m  on the directory
[02:24] <dipnlik> dodobrain: if the repo thing didn't work, probably i'd copy the .debs to /var/cache/apt/ then try to install kubuntu-desktop
[02:24] <dipnlik> JohnFlux: on what directory?
[02:24] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: ta gueule espece de connard
[02:24] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, which dir?
[02:24] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: english
[02:24] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: french
[02:25] <JohnFlux> dipnlik: well do you want kde 3.5?
[02:25] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: stop talking to me
[02:25] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, yes, _i_ wanted 2.5
[02:25] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: well stop typing in caps then
[02:25] <dodobrain> 3.5
[02:25] <dodobrain> heh
[02:25] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: :)  well click the link in the topic
[02:25] <dipnlik> JohnFlux: no, just curious about the wget stuff to solve dodobrain's problem
[02:25] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: who do you think you are to talk to me like this ?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> orion_fr_24: this is an english channel, and typing in all capital letters is considered rude, as it is shouting
[02:26] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: hmm.  an arrogant french man.  heh.
[02:26] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: i m not the one who started to be arrogant
[02:26] <Hobbsee> orion_fr_24: i know nothing about proftpd, you might want to ask in #ubuntu
[02:26] <Hobbsee> more people there
[02:27] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: okay sorry. no offence was meant
[02:27] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: make law in your city but not here you dont have more power than other people
[02:27] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, err.. i went to the kde 3.5 announcement..
[02:27] <orion_fr_24> JohnFlux: appologies accepted
[02:27] <dodobrain> it doesn;t say where and on which server the packages are located
[02:27] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: just in general it's best not to type in caps.  also ask specific questions
[02:27] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[02:27] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ask is Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answer. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:27] <ilba7r> orion_fr_24, there was a link on the forums you might check there
[02:28] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: i suspect most people have used proftp but wouldn't consider themselves experts.  if you ask a specific question you are more likely to get a reply.  like ubotu says :)
[02:28] <orion_fr_24> how can i add external folder to a user on proftpd ?
[02:29] <dodobrain> orion_fr_24, maybe #proftpd can help?
[02:29] <orion_fr_24> thx dodobrqin
[02:29] <orion_fr_24> dodobrain: u seem to be the only efficient personn here
[02:29] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: http://ubuntuguide.org/  if you go there, it has the exact same question on the front page
[02:29] <nalioth> gentlemen and ladies, let us be civil
[02:30] <nalioth> JohnFlux: please don't mention that site in here
[02:30] <JohnFlux> orion_fr_24: http://ubuntuguide.org/#ftpserver here specifically
[02:30] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[02:30] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is out of date, reported to break a lot and generally a bad source for information. Use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[02:30] <JohnFlux> haha
[02:30] <JohnFlux> oh well
[02:30] <dodobrain> lol
[02:30] <orion_fr_24> nalioth: why no mention of this site
[02:30] <nalioth> orion_fr_24: read the message from ubotu
[02:31] <dodobrain> orion_fr_24, i think its still catering for ubuntu 5.04 only
[02:31] <dodobrain> ofcourse there will be many things the same i think
[02:31] <orion_fr_24> nalioth: pleaze let the chance to everybody to judge by himself the quality of content
[02:32] <orion_fr_24> nalioth: censure is a bad thing
[02:32] <dodobrain> so JohnFlux, where can i download these debs?
[02:32] <JohnFlux> heh
[02:32] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: look in /topic
[02:32] <nalioth> orion_fr_24: nobody is censoring anything. we're just passing on information.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> orion_fr_24: well, seeing as some of that information is now out of date, or just plain wrong, and will wreck your box, do you really want to take that risk?
[02:32] <dipnlik> orion_fr_24: don't try to disrupt every single rule in the channel ;-)
[02:32] <JohnFlux> dipnlik: ;)
[02:32] <nalioth> orion_fr_24: the ubuntuguide was at one time, a very good source of information, but it has not been updated in almost 3 revisions of ubuntu, and now it breaks ubuntu badly
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hehe @ dipnlik
[02:33] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: did you find them?
[02:33] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: wget -m http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/pool-breezy/
[02:33] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: there :)
[02:33] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, err.. i seem to be having this strange difficulty where i see no kde d/l urls in the topic urls :(
[02:34] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, thank you
[02:34] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/pool-breezy/
[02:34] <JohnFlux> doh
[02:34] <JohnFlux>  KDE 3.5 is out http://tinyurl.com/dlrf9
[02:34] <melonipoika> hi
[02:34] <JohnFlux> that :)
[02:34] <melonipoika> does anyone know how to boot from a usb hard disk?
[02:35] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: it requires your bios to support it
[02:35] <melonipoika> i am not sure if my bios is able to do so, i found that it is possible to boot from a usb 3 1/2 disk...
[02:35] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: only some new ones do
[02:35] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: ah if that works then i guess it might
[02:35] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: just play about with it ;)  best i can say
[02:35] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, :) anyway, i see its arranged as folders. so i just grab all of it. any idea how big it is?
[02:35] <melonipoika> ok, i have not tryed it because i don't have one, i found that in the user guide, but i wasn't able with external disk
[02:36] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: probably very big with the i18n  folder etc
[02:36] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: why do you want to do this?
[02:36] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, because i want to get only the i386 packages!
[02:36] <JohnFlux> dodobrain: i mean why don't you install them normally?
[02:36] <dipnlik> JohnFlux: he only wants to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop on a machine with no internet connection
[02:36] <nalioth> dodobrain: what are you after?
[02:36] <dodobrain> JohnFlux, maybe you haven;t followed the conversation earlier. but i wanted to download the 3.5 packages for breezy and install on a machine with no internet connection
[02:36] <melonipoika> ok, thanks
[02:37] <nalioth> dodobrain: then you'll need to a) download them all and sort them or b) write a nice wget script to only grab the i386 pkgs
[02:37] <dodobrain> and none of my machines have any resemblance to debian. hence the problem. i want to get these debs and save them on a cd (or dvd if its bigger)
[02:37] <ilba7r> dodobrain, just wonder if you can install them if you download kubuntu install cd and add it to repos
[02:37] <dodobrain> ilba7r, thats what my brother was saying.
[02:38] <dodobrain> prolly just get the kubuntu iso and install the debs from that
[02:38] <nalioth> ilba7r: you can install from the kubuntu cd, yes.
[02:38] <ilba7r> so i guess this is the easiest way dodobrain
[02:39] <dodobrain> ilba7r, is that version 3.5 kde?
[02:39] <dodobrain> or an older version
[02:40] <ilba7r> dodobrain, i can not help you in this quest sorry
[02:40] <sorush20> how do I make the .xmms folder viewable?
[02:40] <ilba7r> though i doubt it
[02:40] <Hobbsee> sorush20: konq, view, show hidden files
[02:41] <dodobrain> so theres no dir on the servers with packages sorted by arch ?
[02:41] <sorush20> Hobbsee: I know that part but I want them to be permanently viewable, and I want them to be viewable in xmms skin chooser browers window?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> they are, until you turn showing hidden files off again...
[02:41] <Hobbsee> apart from that, i'm not sure how you go about doing that
[02:43] <melonipoika> could anyone paste his source.list, please? i get quite many errors and i don't knwo witch repos i should use....
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:43] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:44] <melonipoika> thanks :D
[02:45] <melonipoika> !easysource
[02:45] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:45] <nalioth> dodobrain: they are i386 and amd64 mixed together
[02:46] <dodobrain> yeah i see that. i 'm just wondering why there aren't dummy arch dirs with symlinks to the the package?
[02:55] <sorush20> kfloppyformatre doesnt' work as well as gnome floppy fomater why?
[03:07] <thompa> hi
[03:07] <ilba7r> hi
[03:08] <thompa> im just downloading dapper alpha3
[03:08] <ilba7r> !dapper
[03:08] <Hobbsee> flight 3, you mean?
[03:08] <ilba7r> !dapper
[03:08] <thompa> yes
[03:08] <ilba7r> ff ubotu send me pm
[03:09] <ilba7r> !tell thompa about dapper
[03:09] <thompa> i mostly need kmail
[03:09] <dodobrain> what is dapper?
[03:09] <thompa> just want to try it
[03:09] <thompa> kde 3.5 is nice
[03:09] <ilba7r> thompa read the warning ubotu sent
[03:09] <thompa> use at own risk, right
[03:09] <ilba7r> !tell thompa about dapper drake
[03:10] <thompa> ive been using debain sid anyway
[03:10] <thompa> ill make sure i back up
[03:10] <thompa> thanks
[03:10] <ilba7r> welcomed
[03:11] <melonipoika> did any of you try to upgrade to dapper from breezy installation? i would like to know if it is working
[03:13] <ilba7r> dapper is not mature yet melonipoika
[03:13] <ilba7r> still in development phase
[03:26] <sorush20> shoud this remove the directory? sudo rm -d /home/sorush3
[03:27] <ilba7r> most probab though am not sure of the -d option
[03:27] <ilba7r> yap will do it
[03:30] <mah> hi :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:32] <sorush20> well I keep getting the message that it can not be done?
[03:32] <sorush20> can not remove is a directory
[03:32] <dipnlik> sorush20: try rm -rf
[03:34] <Hobbsee> just be careful where and when you use that command lol!
[03:34] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: yeah yeah
[03:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:34] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: i saw this problem once in another channel
[03:35] <Hobbsee> what, how to force remove?
[03:35] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: a newbie asked some stupid question, someone replied with rm -rf /
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ouch
[03:35] <Hobbsee>  hope the someone was banned or kicked for a while
[03:36] <dipnlik> yeah yeah, of course
[03:36] <Hobbsee> good
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i've never tried that - but i have been known to use rm -rf * or rm -rf .*
[03:36] <Hobbsee> both which work quite effectively - used both tonight, in fact
[03:36] <dipnlik> the channel's /topic had something like "destrcutive commands will be banned" for like a month
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:37] <Hobbsee> not surprised
[03:38] <Hobbsee> command to remove grub is also pretty harmful - even worse than the one you mentioned, because most people dont recognise t
[03:38] <Hobbsee> *it
[03:38] <Hobbsee> er, the entire mbr, i mean
[04:03] <dipnlik> simple question. middle click the home button, home opens in a new tab. works with back and up too. but why it doesn't work with the Go button?
[04:04] <shawkins> dipnlik: confused me here..
[04:05] <shawkins> wait..
[04:05] <shawkins> just figured it  :)
[04:06] <dipnlik> shawkins: i wanted it to work on go to :(
[04:06] <shawkins> dipnlik: yeah, one second
[04:07] <shawkins> Konqueror correct?
[04:07] <dipnlik> yes
[04:10] <dipnlik> shawkins: i know ctrl enter opens the location in a new tab but i wanted a middle click in go for select-and-paste
[04:11] <shawkins> dipnlik: I understand that
[04:11] <shawkins> dipnlik: but I would think this is a bug... so I am searching the bug databases
[04:12] <dipnlik> shawkins: hm, jut found out that dragging a tab to an empty space duplicates it, that surely helps
[04:12] <dipnlik> shawkins: oh i see
[04:13] <shawkins> dipnlik: yeah, I don't have experience with Konqueror much... I use command line for files most of the time so..... though every so often I get to use it, I never tried much with it
[04:14] <visik7> how can I set correctly wine fonts ?
[04:14] <dipnlik> shawkins: i am liking konqueror a lot, it is very powerful indeed. explorer.exe needs to learn A LOT
[04:15] <shawkins> visik7: I think 'winecfg' will do that... but not 100% sure
[04:16] <shawkins> dipnlik: I agree with you on that point, I have windows installed for one reason on one of my other computer, the game I like doesn't work anywhere else.... not even through wine
[04:17] <shawkins> dipnlik: microsoft dropped IE when netscape lost the wars....
[04:17] <dipnlik> shawkins: sad. but what game is that?
[04:17] <dipnlik> shawkins: i have win at home because i share the computer with someone
[04:18] <dipnlik> shawkins: and the person uses korean and japanese input methods that i have no idea how to install on linux
[04:19] <shawkins> dipnlik: Starport GE...... www.starportgame.com... Its not a special 3D game, but its a sci-fi type thing, you get a space ship, can fight others, build colonies....
[04:19] <icke> hi
[04:19] <shawkins> dipnlik: I love the game, the name is prosoft there, I mod part of the forums, if you ever start to play drop me a line
[04:19] <tmircea> hi al
[04:19] <tmircea> all
[04:20] <shawkins> dipnlik: As for those korean and japanese input methods, no clue either, but maybe I'll look for something like that.... I may yet become a host for a japanese guy
[04:20] <shawkins> hello tmircea
[04:20] <shawkins> and icke :)
[04:22] <shawkins> visik7: http://www.sdconsult.no/linux/wine-doc/configuring.html
[04:22] <shawkins> that one is better yet, tells you a little more on how to do it
[04:22] <visik7> thankyou
[04:22] <shawkins> scroll down to section 4.1.2.7... or search for it, it'll take you right there
[04:23] <icke> Hi, i am looking for a tip. yesterday, Adept suddenly flipped, started using 100% CPU and more and more RAM and SWAP. I could not do anything except do a hard reboot. I did that, and i obviously lost all the changes i marked in Adept :(( . SO i was wondering if there are methods to "calm" a program somehow (via a console perhaps?) ?
[04:24] <tmircea> renice
[04:24] <tmircea> nice level
[04:24] <tmircea> or kill
[04:25] <shawkins> icke: what version are you using? dapper or breezy?
[04:25] <shawkins> doesn't make a difference for the commands needed... but it'd help if its a bug or not
[04:26] <icke> breezy
[04:26] <shawkins> ok, one second
[04:27] <shawkins> dipnlik: I just searched all the databases I could think of, for a bug.... which that sounds like, so I'd advise you to submit it
[04:28] <dipnlik> shawkins: ok, thanks for the help :)
[04:29] <shawkins> dipnlik: no problem
[04:30] <shawkins> icke: when did it start having problems? right after you installed something or?
[04:31] <icke> no, i was just browsing the list, marking some changes, and then all of a sudden, after i marked another change (forgot what exactly) it froze
[04:32] <icke> though it may be of influence that i edited the sources.list file while having Adept open, although that did not seem to cause any trouble
[04:33] <melonipoika_> guys, sometimes konqueror is showing system:media well, and some times not, any idea what can be wrong? i mean that some times, it shows all the hard disk partitions and usb drives, and i ca access them, and some times just the icon and i get an error when trying to open them...
[04:35] <icke> melonipoika_: on my pc, media:/ never shows anything, but /media/ does
[04:35] <tmircea> same for me
[04:35] <tmircea> media is empty
[04:35] <tmircea> fix this,dudes :)
[04:35] <shawkins> icke: I really have no clue as to what could be wrong, been checking the bug lists..
[04:36] <shawkins> media:/ works fine for me
[04:36] <shawkins> using dapper though
[04:36] <melonipoika_> icke, the same with me, but in mine, media:/ sometimes works as well :D
[04:37] <icke> shawkins: It's not so much that the bug is so terrible, i was just wondering wether there is some way to "tame" a program gone wild
[04:37] <shawkins> well that part I do not know
[04:38] <melonipoika_> for me it was working when i installed it, and at some point it stoped working, but today was working fine for a while, until i had to reboot ::D
[04:38] <shawkins> you'd have to have the system limit the program... because whatever the reason is for the usage in memory and such, will be from the program itself I'm sure
[04:38] <shawkins> but hold on, I'll check
[04:41] <icke> the KDE panel has an applet called "runaway process catcher"
[04:41] <icke> that kills processes that uses excessive resources
[04:42] <shawkins> but then his work will not be saved
[04:42] <shawkins> http://lists.distributed.net/pipermail/rc5/2000-April/034420.html
[04:42] <shawkins> try reading that, I don't understand part of it, maybe you will
[04:43] <shawkins> theres a thing in there... pausing that app.... don't know if adept will do that
[04:44] <shawkins> also, possibly try putting the computer to sleep for a few seconds may work as well
[04:45] <shawkins> you would have to start the process by shell... but heres one http://www.seifried.org/security/index.php/Linux_Limiting_and_Monitoring_Users#Limiting_users
[04:45] <shawkins> go down to the bash section
[04:47] <shawkins> icke... those are for you, I'll be back in a minute
[04:50] <icke> thanks shawkins, i am looking into the 'nice' command, that lowers priority of processes
[04:58] <shawkins> icke: ok, well I've got to go for a bit, talk to you later
[05:12] <blamm> join #poitiers
[05:14] <jorik> when is dapper due ?
[05:14] <shawkins> April I believe
[05:15] <shawkins> however, it seems to be working just fine for me right now
[05:16] <jorik> cool thx
[05:16] <jorik> im thinkin maybe upgradin to kde 3.5 but i dont wanna break things ... waitin three months is probably a bit much tho
[05:16] <DeadZed> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not change my resolution :(
[05:17] <DeadZed> anyone ?
[05:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell DeadZed about fixres
[05:21] <shawkins> DeadZed, can you use command line or? I can step you through it
[05:21] <shawkins> jorik: I didn't have anything break here, worked fine for me
[05:22] <shawkins> DeadZed: wait.. do you want to change to a differenst resolution, or is the one you want not showing?
[05:26] <DeadZed> nalioth  nope ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto  didnt work either ... I told you thatdpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt work
[05:26] <rwabel> has anyone also problems with kwin crashing in dapper when using "show desktop"?
[05:27] <jorik> shawkins, cool, ill prolly give it a try then
[05:27] <DeadZed> Hello ... anyone .. how can it be that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt change my screen settings ??
[05:27] <DeadZed> where do I send bug reports?
[05:28] <DeadZed> everyone dead here?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> DeadZed: launchpad
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ie. www.launchpad.net - it's called malone, the bug reporting bit
[05:28] <Hobbsee> !bug
[05:28] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:28] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:29] <DeadZed> !bugs
[05:31] <shawkins> DeadZed, you are looking to change the current one that you are using? Or is the one you want not in the list of possibilities
[05:31] <nalioth> DeadZed: editing your xorg.conf doesnt work eitehr?
[05:31] <DeadZed> shawkins: I dont understand .. current what?
[05:31] <DeadZed> nope, it doesnt
[05:31] <shawkins> thats what I was going to ask
[05:31] <shawkins> did you restart the computer
[05:32] <shawkins> current resolution, sorry about that
[05:32] <DeadZed> edited xorg.cong  .. left only 1200x 1000 smth option .. but still 640x320
[05:32] <nalioth> or just restart your xserver?
[05:32] <shawkins> did you restart?
[05:32] <DeadZed> duh
[05:32] <DeadZed> Im not that newb
[05:32] <shawkins> well we have to ask :)
[05:32] <DeadZed> :)
[05:33] <DeadZed> really silly :) .. just dont get it how can resolution be 640x320 if there is only 1240x 768 option in xorg.conf ..
[05:33] <visik7> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/it overlap the field "by " with "Italian statistics in Dapper" box with firefox konqueror opera and InternetExplorer
[05:33] <shawkins> just to make sure.... mine has settings for each screen depth, did you change them all or the one for 24 or?
[05:34] <DeadZed> all
[05:35] <DeadZed> Can I upload my xorg.conf somewhere , plesase
[05:35] <nalioth> !pastebin
[05:35] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:36] <flipjarg> !info k3b-mp3
[05:36] <ubotu> k3b-mp3: (The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
[05:36] <halibut> Dapper flight 3 = unstable?
[05:36] <visik7> yes
[05:36] <Hobbsee> halibut: development - very unstable
[05:36] <DeadZed> my xorg.conf .. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7274 .. please help .. cannot change resolution in any way
[05:36] <halibut> ok, so I want breezy?
[05:36] <C-O-L-T> which office suite for linux lets me to modify pdf files?
[05:36] <flipjarg> !info quantos
[05:36] <Hobbsee> halibut: yes
[05:37] <visik7> halibut: yes u sould
[05:37] <flipjarg> Isn't there an html editor called quantos?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> flipjarg: quanta
[05:37] <visik7> DeadZed: what resolution do you want ?
[05:37] <Hobbsee> IIRC
[05:37] <flipjarg> dang, thanks.
[05:37] <halibut> Hobbsee, does the DVD have anything more than the live cd and the install cd combined? the filesize suggests so
[05:37] <Hobbsee> no problems
[05:38] <yellowdart> flipjarg: yeah, it's in kdewebdev
[05:38] <Hobbsee> um....dont remember at this time of the morning - it might have both gnome and kde on it, but dont quote me on that
[05:38] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: I have seen today the Fedora 5 Flight 2 and it was very impressing. I think even better in some ways than ubuntu. Fedora is better?
[05:38] <flipjarg> yellowdart: Just installed it. :-) thanks
[05:38] <DeadZed> visik7 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7274
[05:38] <visik7> DeadZed: what resolution do you want ?
[05:38] <abionnnn> hmmm anyone here experienced in upgrading the ATI firegl drivers?
[05:38] <visik7> DeadZed: the answer isn't the config file
[05:38] <DeadZed> the one that is in my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7274
[05:39] <visik7> 1024x768 ?
[05:39] <DeadZed> 1024x768
[05:39] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: i've never tried fedora, but usually favorite linux distrobutions are subjectve
[05:39] <visik7> so what's the problem ? what resolution do u want to change ?
[05:39] <DeadZed> I want it to be 1024x768
[05:39] <visik7> C-O-L-T: fedora hasn't apt
[05:39] <visik7> and yum is not good as apt
[05:39] <flipjarg> DeadZed: what are you trying to do?
[05:40] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: so what do you mean? I am asking that there are more apps for debian than for fedora?
[05:40] <kkathman> Fedora is a good distro, but its just too subjective to say one is better than another
[05:40] <C-O-L-T> visik7: it does not have a package manager?
[05:40] <DeadZed> DeadZed is trying to change 640x320 resolution to 1024x768
[05:40] <visik7> C-O-L-T: it has a package manager
[05:40] <Hobbsee> kkathman: thankyou - brain is going hazy at 3.40 am lol!
[05:40] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes it does
[05:40] <flipjarg> was that his xorg.conf file?
[05:40] <visik7> C-O-L-T: but apt is far better than yum
[05:40] <DeadZed> DeadZed xorg.conf file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7274
[05:40] <visik7> DeadZed: and the resolution that u see is ... ?
[05:41] <kkathman> visik7:  an YaST is better than both
[05:41] <visik7> kkathman: yast is gui
[05:41] <DeadZed> jeesus christ man... scroll upwards a bit
[05:41] <visik7> kkathman: and not scriptable
[05:41] <kkathman> but the apt system isnt bad in ubuntu
[05:41] <C-O-L-T> visik7: I see.
[05:41] <icke> how can i check what version of KDE i have installed?
[05:41] <kkathman> visik7: oh yes it is...you tried 10?
[05:41] <C-O-L-T> visik7: I like Fedora cause it has a lot of packages included
[05:41] <Hobbsee> icke: konversation --version
[05:41] <visik7> icke: kcontrol
[05:41] <flipjarg> DeadZed: have you been able to change the resolution with the display gui?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: i hear you might like mandriva, as well then
[05:42] <visik7> C-O-L-T: here in ubuntu there are 27000 packages if u enable universe and multiverse are they enough
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> should be enough
[05:42] <kkathman> I think its closer to 17,000 right now in breezy (problem is that most are dated)
[05:42] <DeadZed> flipjarg no .. there is only 640x320 option ... I think that there is no-one able to help me here .. just newbies chatting
[05:43] <shawkins> kkathman is no newbie :)
[05:43] <kkathman> but at the same time, dated means stable
[05:43] <abionnnn> I'm trying to use the latest ATI firegl drivers, /var/log/Xor.log seems to indicate that DRI has been installed but glxinfo indicated mesa is being used
[05:43] <visik7> DeadZed: the problen is that is not simple to understand your problem from a config file
[05:43] <kkathman> shawkins: nope...been with it a bit  :)
[05:43] <flipjarg> DeadZed: Alright. Before i go though, it may be the monitor model you've chosen.
[05:43] <flipjarg> DeadZed: Good luck.
[05:43] <abionnnn> any ideas?
[05:44] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: I have never tried neither Mandriva nor Fedora just the live cd versions, and I have seen them I am using linux for 3 months, my first linux was xandros, and now kubuntu/ubuntu. I don't know which is the best for me. I have got used to ubuntu cause it is easy to use. But there are a lot of Linux distros so you have a choice, in your opinion should i remain at ubuntu?
[05:44] <DeadZed> no one is able to help me again :(
[05:45] <abionnnn> DeadZed: should try your luck in #debian :P
[05:45] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  basically almost any distro is good, and solid its all in what your preferences are..if you use KDE they all will look alike pretty much anyway :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: there's a good distro-chooser...somewhere...
[05:45] <abionnnn> if you can run Slackware, there's no point running anything else :P
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[05:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:46] <shawkins> ok kids, I'm going to head out for a bit, got some things to do, adios
[05:46] <kkathman> except to put up with the arrogance of the slackware user community :)
[05:46] <abionnnn> we're not arrogant, we're just smarter and we smell better
[05:46] <abionnnn> :P
[05:46] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118204
[05:46] <kkathman> but as far as distros go...if you can configure Slack, you can do anything :)
[05:46] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I tried first KDE and I changed to GNOME, I don't know why but I like it, I like it a lot
[05:46] <shawkins> abionnnn just because I can run slackware doesn't mean I like it :)
[05:47] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  all distros have both
[05:47] <Hobbsee> C-O-L-T: in particular:  http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
[05:47] <shawkins> C-O-L-T: Its a matter of personal preference, I prefer KDE over Gnome, I like all the apps that come with it, notably kdevelop and the webdev package
[05:47] <greniesa> 11
[05:47] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: As far as I know ubuntu comes natively with gnome
[05:48] <Hobbsee> it does
[05:48] <shawkins> C-O-L-T which is why Kubuntu is here, it coms with KDE :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> and kubuntu comes wth kde - that' sthe difference between them
[05:48] <shawkins> now I gotta go, adios
[05:48] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: ubuntu does, kubuntu comes natively with KDE
[05:48] <DerCorny> i dont quite understand the ubuntu versioning stuff
[05:48] <visik7> DeadZed: try here http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport
[05:48] <kkathman> other sitros just give you that option during install time
[05:48] <Hobbsee> DerCorny: what do you mean?
[05:48] <kkathman> distros I mean
[05:49] <jariep1_> i have one question about php-mysql module... phpmyadmin seems to work in accessing mysql but phpinfo doesn't show mysql, why?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> as in, what in particular?
[05:49] <yellowdart> shawkins: speaking of kdevelop and quanta...any idea how to integrate ruby on rails with either? or am i stuck with eclipse for an IDE
[05:49] <DerCorny> let's say i install 5.10 that comes with kde 3.4.3 (iirc), but kde 3.5 is out - to get 3.5 i'll either have to wait for 6.04 or use a 3rd party repro, right?
[05:49] <kkathman> jariep1_: if it doesnt there is something wrong
[05:50] <jariep1_> kkathman, i think so, but not sure where to start
[05:50] <kkathman> jariep1_: go back through your php/mysql setup
[05:51] <jariep1_> ok
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I see
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> Hobbsee: I see
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> I like ubuntu
[05:51] <C-O-L-T> I am just curious
[05:51] <Hentai^XP> oh no
[05:52] <Hentai^XP> distro quiz? Hobbsee link ob that?
[05:52] <Hobbsee>  http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
[05:52] <abionnnn> Ubuntu is great until you try to install the latest ATI drivers :P
[05:52] <Hobbsee> scroll up :P
[05:52] <Hentai^XP> oh ok
[05:52] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: I believe that ubuntu is very easy to install, works with more hardware standardly, and is one of the best "out of the box" distros.  Every distro has its own pros and cons. I suggest you stick with one for a while, get used to Linux and its commands, before trying others.
[05:52] <abionnnn> Then again, every distro is great until you try to install the latest ATI drivers
[05:52] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee got a score yet?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> hehe, i've heard bad things about ati drivers lol
[05:52] <Hobbsee> no, still doing it
[05:53] <Hentai^XP> kk
[05:53] <kkathman> ATI = linux unfriendly
[05:53] <visik7> abionnnn: I installed it cleanly
[05:53] <kkathman> most of the time
[05:53] <Hobbsee> hehehe!
[05:53] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: probably you are right. I got used to ubuntu, probably it would be hard to switch to a non debian based distro
[05:54] <Hobbsee> in order:  kubuntu, SuSE, Debian, Mepis, Mandriva
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: ^
[05:54] <abionnnn> visik7: latest? Hmmm how'd you go about it?
[05:54] <Hentai^XP> kk Hobbsee soon hopefully I'll find mine out too
[05:54] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: its not hard to switch, the main things you'll tackle are usually in how packages are managed and how to get them.. Debian does it one way, SuSE and Fedora do it differently...etc
[05:55] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: but if all you do is surf the net, do email..and a few admin tasks, theres almost no difference
[05:55] <abionnnn> and slackware doesn't do it at all
[05:55] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: one thing you WILL find, is that the ubuntu community and support is FAR FAR superior to any other distro hands down
[05:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I don't just surf the net and so on, I am using graphic software, office suites, and a so oin
[05:56] <abionnnn> kkathman: don't know about that :P
[05:56] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  those are pretty common too
[05:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I have noticed this, that ubuntu has a big support community
[05:56] <kkathman> abionnnn: I DO know that
[05:56] <jariep1_> kkathamn, everything is installed php4 MySQL 4.0 php-mysql, what should I look for?
[05:56] <abionnnn> kkathman: it's hard to compete with debian's community
[05:57] <abionnnn> even though ubuntu is a derivative
[05:57] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee -> SuSE, Debian, Fedora, Foresight Linux
[05:57] <Hobbsee> lol ok then
[05:57] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: thanks for the ldc link, my results were Debian, Kubuntu, Mepis and SuSE, so i'll stick with Kubuntu :)
[05:57] <Hentai^XP> what did you think I'd get Hobbsee ?
[05:58] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: its not just the support, its the community and the ATTITUDE (abionnnn)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: hehe!  i've always gotten kubuntu as first - not sure why
[05:58] <abionnnn> yeah I like what I see with Ubuntu
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: no idea, really
[05:58] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T Ubuntu has one of the best sorted documtation and community ... Gentoo has the most active community
[05:58] <Hentai^XP> lol me either
[05:58] <kkathman> In my experience, Debian and Slack are not friendly and are very arrogant
[05:58] <kkathman> but thats my experience YMMV
[05:58] <Hentai^XP> I'm friendly kkathman
[05:58] <abionnnn> I'll still use slackware myself because it suits me better, but if I'm installing linux for someone else I don't see a better choice other than Ubuntu
[05:59] <jariep1_> kkathman, that's my experience too
[05:59] <DeadZed> kkathman Debian people in IRC are EXTREMELY arrogant
[05:59] <abionnnn> kkathman, heyyyyy that's not true :P you just have to ask the right way with slackers
[05:59] <abionnnn> debians *are* arrogant though
[05:59] <abionnnn> but usually they're more skillful
[05:59] <abionnnn> which is perplexing to me...
[05:59] <jariep1_> everytime i asked a question they told me to read the man pages, as a newbie that's not easy
[05:59] <abionnnn> *shrug*
[06:00] <Hentai^XP> I do hate man pages
[06:00] <C-O-L-T> DeadZed: I see
[06:00] <DeadZed> I even go to #Gentoo with my debian questions sometimes .. they always help :)
[06:00] <jariep1_> so, where do I start, how do i check the setup?
[06:01] <kkathman> abionnnn: Like I said, its just my experience... the #suse channel is full of adolescents that talk about pizza and games most of the time...so ... hehe
[06:02] <kkathman> abionnnn: if I need help in something I want to get someone to help, not berate and laugh because I might be a newbie...thats the problem I have in debian and slack
[06:02] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: don't you think that suse is the most powerfull?
[06:02] <C-O-L-T> distro?
[06:02] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: no, not really...they all are built on the same backbone and run the same apps...why would one be "more powerful" than the other?
[06:03] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: cause it is 5 cd
[06:03] <abionnnn_> Hentai^XP, you realise that you should learn how to read man pages
[06:03] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: or the core system is just 1
[06:03] <abionnnn_> I don't know what turns people away from CLI
[06:03] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  That just means they allow you to get apps off the CDs instead on online repos
[06:03] <C-O-L-T> and the others are just packages?
[06:03] <Hentai^XP> abionnnn I said I don't like man pages
[06:03] <Hentai^XP> not that I don't like using the CLI
[06:04] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  but, dont you want the most current versions of the apps that your kernel can run??  Those usually arent on the CDs
[06:04] <jariep1_> kkathman, i have everything installed, packages are not broken, where should I start checking php/mysql setup?
[06:04] <Hentai^XP> I think "help" on VMS is a better way
[06:04] <abionnnn_> HEHEHE :) Can't argue with you there!
[06:05] <HeadUp`> yo yo yo all
[06:05] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: all these distros try to lure you with these multiple CDs...big deal...all I need is to install the system, and then have access to the repository right?
[06:05] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: yes you are right, that I want the current versions of all the apps. But the main problem is that in the Linux world in every 3 months there is a new version of any program.
[06:06] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes, and you have to be smart about it. One doesnt always migrate to a new release just because a minor version level changes
[06:07] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T please get some basic linux knowledge first
[06:07] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: but, for instance, SUSE10 CD's install KDE 3.4.0 (not 3.4.3 like ubuntu). All those apps on those 5 CDs are all out of date. So really they did me no good (but to someone that didnt know that, its no big deal)
[06:07] <HeadUp`> does someone can help me about kde and a mx510 mouse ?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> that's always seemed odd to me - why would you want all the stuff on cd, when it all gets out of date so quickly?
[06:07] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: the main problem for example with me is that I don't have a so fast net connection, that is why at me there is a problem to update my system
[06:07] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T if you'd put all debian (linux) apps on cd-s ... not repos .. you'd get 100-s of cd-s
[06:07] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  I think it would be very nice to have a CD set of apps but your point is very well taken
[06:08] <Hobbsee> very true
[06:08] <kkathman> and was the point I was making
[06:08] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: well with a CD set you dont solve that problem really, except with an initial load of an app I suppose
[06:09] <HeadUp`> does someone can help me about kde and a mx510 mouse ?
[06:09] <kkathman> but as soon as you upgrade...you are reliant on your net
[06:09] <HeadUp`> does someone can help me about kde and a mx510 mouse ?
[06:09] <C-O-L-T> DeadZed: i see, I would like just the basic ones in 3 cd's included ubuntu too
[06:09] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I know
[06:09] <DeadZed> C-O-L-T download and burn those then
[06:09] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: now I updated my system and evevrything is fine
[06:09] <kkathman> I dont disagree that ubuntu should, at some point, think about having CD sets
[06:09] <DeadZed> or order those debian cd-s
[06:10] <kkathman> DeadZed: yeah how many now...like 1000 ??
[06:10] <kkathman> I exaggerate :)
[06:10] <DeadZed> How do Ubuntu packages differ from debian ones anyway
[06:10] <DeadZed> they prolly dont I think
[06:10] <C-O-L-T> DeadZed: I understadn
[06:10] <kkathman> seriously I think there are like 25 or something
[06:10] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: Anyway I am waiting the new ubuntu / kubuntu release
[06:10] <kkathman> DeadZed: they do differ. you cant mix debian packages with *ubuntu
[06:11] <DeadZed> I have
[06:11] <DeadZed> with great success ... who told you that you cant
[06:11] <kkathman> DeadZed: you have
[06:11] <kkathman> its not a good idea
[06:11] <kkathman> did you get packages or debs ?
[06:11] <kkathman> big difference
[06:12] <larsivi> If the packages don't depend on binary compatibility with others, it usually works, but you never know when they don't
[06:12] <DeadZed> I mix ubuntu, debian, xandros, mepis and other debian distro repositories
[06:12] <kkathman> if you put debian packages in your repos - you WILL break your system eventually
[06:12] <kkathman> but if all you are doing is dl debs and dpkg -i   then thats fine
[06:12] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: have you heard about Thinkfree Office?
[06:12] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: nope
[06:12] <DeadZed> I broke ubuntu  on my test pc actually :)
[06:13] <HeadUp`> i need help
[06:13] <HeadUp`> can somenone answer
[06:13] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: just write to google. Look after it. It looks and feels really like Ms Office 2003 how can be that possible
[06:13] <HeadUp`> brr
[06:13] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it is made by ms corporation or how?
[06:14] <kkathman> ohhh hmmm M$
[06:14] <kkathman> hehe
[06:14] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it is really like MS OFFICE, I am using this thinkfree
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: cause I have taken the European Computer Driving Licence for ms office,and now I am almost lost in open office. I can not find everything
[06:15] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: so is thinkfree some derivitive of the Office Suite?
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I don't know what is it, but it is ms office on the same name
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> on another name
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> under
[06:15] <C-O-L-T> another name
[06:15] <kkathman> ok
[06:16] <DeadZed> HeadUp` what you want
[06:18] <abionnnn_> well ATI's drivers are working
[06:19] <HeadUp`> DeadZed , i need to change my mouse to 800dpi at every boot
[06:19] <abionnnn> funnily enough they will only compile with libstdc++5
[06:19] <abionnnn> funnier still, ubuntu opts not to install it by default ... :P
[06:20] <DeadZed> HeadUp`: what does that mean?
[06:21] <HeadUp`> i got a mx510
[06:22] <HeadUp`> and it's a 800dpi mouse
[06:22] <HeadUp`> in kde
[06:22] <DeadZed> nevermind .. I wouldnt understand :)
[06:22] <HeadUp`> :(
[06:22] <DeadZed> HeadUp`: what about google or linux forums ?
[06:23] <HeadUp`> so foggy :/
[06:24] <larsivi> HeadUp`: I think it is a X setting, but I have no idea where
[06:24] <HeadUp`> not in xorg.conf
[06:24] <larsivi> You could see if your Xorg.conf already has any such settins
[06:25] <larsivi> ah, ok
[06:25] <HeadUp`> it's a low level setting or it was until few month
[06:25] <jariep1_> can somebody help me out troubleshoot why mysql doesn't show up in my phpinfo page, even after i installed it?
[06:26] <DeadZed> jariep1_:  isnt this #mysql question? (though DeadZed isnt a mod here :) )
[06:27] <Hobbsee> DeadZed: you're still pointing to the correct place for where to get information
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hardly like you need mod powers to do that
[06:28] <DexterF> heya
[06:29] <Hobbsee> hi
[06:29] <DexterF> can I upgrade Kubuntu to DF3 like I can upgrade Ubuntu?
[06:30] <kkathman> dexter: if you want to take that risk
[06:30] <DexterF> it's not my production system, so it doesn't matter much
[06:31] <DexterF> its a tinker installation
[06:31] <kkathman> Dapper still is very very rough so unless you intend to aid in development or packaging, it might not be in your best interest because of stability issues.
[06:31] <kkathman> ahh in that case sure
[06:31] <kkathman> put it in a sep partition and go for it
[06:32] <DexterF> i already have 5.10 installed, i only need to adapt sources and go fo rit
[06:33] <DexterF> main reason is im hot for testing X7.0 with r300
[06:34] <Hobbsee> !sources
[06:34] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:34] <kkathman> DexterF yah just change your sources.list to dapper and do an update and dist-upgrade... or create a Dapper F3 disk I guess
[06:35] <DexterF> i bet it'll explode
[06:36] <kkathman> I dont think anything there is flammable
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:36] <Hobbsee> as long as it's not my computer!
[06:37] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  has a habit of defenestrating computers tho
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hehe...
[06:37] <Hobbsee> not my own though
[06:37] <kkathman> true
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> she wants mine dead
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> :(
[06:37] <kkathman> just other people's
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> hmm which reminds me
[06:37] <Hentai^XP> 486
[06:38] <DexterF> you run an antiques shop?
[06:39] <Hentai^XP> um no
[06:39] <Hentai^XP> Its just waiting for a install of xp
[06:39] <weedar> after doing that you should try walking on water, it should be a breeze
[06:40] <Hentai^XP> .....
[06:40] <kkathman> weedar:  you cant imagine the thing Hentai^XP has done :)
[06:40] <weedar> well if the handle has anything to do with it I guess it involves tentacles? :)
[06:41] <weedar> the/his
[06:41] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:43] <Hentai^XP> what? when?
[06:44] <PupenoL> Hello.
[06:45] <weedar> uh-oh, I followed the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo and thus installed an older java version
[06:49] <chx> i know it's a lame question but... how stable is Dapper? I mean, I know it's just a test version but... alpha quality? beta?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> chx: depends on the day, and what you have installed
[06:50] <JakubS> Riddell: ping
[06:50] <chx> Hobbsee: on the day...?
[06:50] <Riddell> JakubS: hi
[06:50] <JakubS> hello
[06:50] <Riddell> chx: flight-3 is quite usable
[06:51] <Hobbsee> chx: well, on whatever updates are being done - if there's a major lib transition, like there was a couple of months ago, you learn to live without a GUI, or find somethign else to use
[06:51] <JakubS> i think that libnss-mdns should be made dependency for kdnssd-avahi
[06:51] <chx> Riddell: I dunno why, but I lean to believe _you_ in that :P
[06:51] <JakubS> when service on LAN is discovered kdnssd will return hostname.local address and without mdns resolver application won't be able to resolve and use it
[06:51] <Riddell> Package libnss-mdns is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:51] <Riddell> JakubS: what is it ment to be?
[06:52] <Hobbsee> chx: that would be because you can probably find his address fairly easily, and visit with flaming pitchforks if he's pulling your leg about dapper stability :P
[06:52] <JakubS> huh? i just removed and reinstalled it
[06:52] <abionnnn> what's with this: (gnomemeeting:10746): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[06:52] <abionnnn> hong kong isn't supported?? :P
[06:52] <Riddell> JakubS: hang on, I don't have universe, my fault...
[06:53] <JakubS> ups, i guess package from main depending on package from universe is a problem, right?
[06:53] <abionnnn> how do you go about changing your locale in this ubuntu thingy
[06:54] <Riddell> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale
[06:54] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[06:54] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: how to make root, cause I can not install crossover office with sudo
[06:55] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  anything you do at root can be done with sudo
[06:55] <kkathman> thats its purpose
[06:55] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: this not believe me
[06:55] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it has written crossover to me to use root and not sudo
[06:56] <kkathman> !root
[06:56] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:56] <abionnnn> Riddell: hardy har har? :P Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[06:57] <Riddell> locales
[06:57] <abionnnn> ah
[06:57] <jariep1__> kkathman, can you take a look at my phpinfo file? http://68.91.27.174/lucind/info.php
[06:57] <jariep1__> if it helps
[06:58] <jariep1__> not sure why mysql doesn't show up
[06:58] <kkathman> jariep1__:  that comes back Page Not FOund
[06:58] <jariep1__> ok hold on
[06:58] <chx> Hobbsee: that's be pretty hard to do. Scotland is far from here and they do not allow pitchforks on planes these days.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> drive?  and swim?
[06:59] <kkathman> jariep1__: I dunno, the procedure for installing apache2, php and mysql in my admin book is about 15 pages, so anything could have gone wrong :)
[06:59] <jariep1__> oh oops
[06:59] <kkathman> jariep1__: that why I used xampp :)
[06:59] <jariep1__> oh ok
[06:59] <jariep1__> kkathman, can I install xxamp through apt-get?
[07:00] <chx> i wonder http://jriddell.org/ is this the same Riddell ?
[07:00] <kkathman> jariep1__:  no
[07:00] <seashell11> kkathman: What is xampp? because I am trying to get a web server with php sql running here
[07:00] <Hobbsee> chx: i think it is
[07:00] <jariep1__> ok i made a typo on the url
[07:00] <Riddell> JakubS: I've installed libnss-mdns but dig still doesn't resolve weeny.local (where my computer is called weeny)
[07:00] <kkathman> seashell11: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[07:01] <kkathman> thats what I used when I wanted a test server with php/mysql/apache...it worked great for me
[07:01] <kkathman> YMMV
[07:01] <icke> hello; i installed a few programs that should be in the KDe menu, but are not there. I know that there is a program that can search for these programs and add them to the menu, but i forgot what that is called, does anyone here know?
[07:01] <JakubS> hm, i know it does not require avahi for resolving but i guess it needs to be started to announce this name
[07:01] <seashell11> icke: try kappfinder
[07:01] <Riddell> JakubS: I installed avahi-daemon too
[07:02] <jariep1__> kkathman, how do you convert the xampp into a deb ?
[07:02] <kkathman> jariep1__: I dont think you have to
[07:02] <jariep1__> ok
[07:02] <kkathman> if you want to try it
[07:02] <kkathman> remove your other stuff first, I think
[07:02] <jariep1__> ok
[07:03] <kkathman> then go to http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html  and read the instructions..they are very easy
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: how to login as root. I need it
[07:03] <kkathman> !root
[07:03] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:03] <chx> Hobbsee: well, at least they are close relatives, because their name and phone numbers match :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:03] <icke> [19:01:53]  <seashell11> icke: try kappfinder <- thanks, that was what i was looking for
[07:04] <JakubS> C-O-L-T: sudo bash
[07:04] <seashell11> C-O-L-T: sudo -i like it says on the link ubotu gave you
[07:04] <JakubS> Riddell: sudo avahi-daemon --debug      confirms that name 'weeny.local' is used?
[07:05] <seashell11> * fully supports kkathman *
[07:05] <Insomnia1-> break the rules, break your system, learn from it (:
[07:06] <kkathman> bingo
[07:06] <kkathman> absolutely, so please go out and totally lunch your system...we need more knowledge :)
[07:06] <JakubS> kkathman: it is kinda hard to write int /sys or /proc files just with sudo
[07:06] <JakubS> s/int/into/
[07:07] <Riddell> JakubS: ooh, it does work
[07:07] <Riddell> JakubS: just not with dig
[07:07] <kkathman> JakubS: yah well if yer doing that, you probably can be trusted with a root too...most people cant :)
[07:08] <JakubS> hey, i even trusted my younger sister with root password :-)
[07:08] <abionnnn> hmmm I think my locale is seriously screwed up
[07:08] <abionnnn> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[07:08] <abattoir> hello...
[07:08] <abattoir> i am having problems with wireless connections
[07:08] <Hobbsee> JakubS: you're very brave then!
[07:08] <kkathman> hello abattoir :)
[07:09] <abattoir> i had breezy, upgraded to dapper
[07:09] <abattoir> hello kkathman
[07:09] <JakubS> Hobbsee: nah, i just setup her second box and told to do what she wants with it - just to not expect me to fix her mess afterwards :-)
[07:09] <halibut> Is there something like a CVS program but for videos? (.avi file)
[07:09] <Hobbsee> with wireless?  dont look at me - i dont deal in wireless connections!
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:10] <JakubS> very effective restraint
[07:10] <Hobbsee> abattoir: what's the name of the wireless protocol?  like ethernet is eth0?
[07:10] <abattoir> wlan0
[07:10] <kkathman> awww Hobbsee and I thought we connected SO well :(
[07:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:10] <seashell11> Hobbsee: or ath0
[07:10] <Hobbsee> abattoir: ok, i might know the solution to this
[07:11] <Hobbsee> in /etc/network/interfaces, make sure there's a line in there that says auto wlan0
[07:11] <Hobbsee> if that doesnt work when you reboot, replace wlan0 that you just put in with ath0
[07:11] <abattoir> Hobbsee: that fixes the startup issue rite?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> if you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file, i can probably tell you where to put it, and which it is
[07:12] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:12] <abattoir> but the connection is a bit erratic...
[07:12] <Hobbsee> kkathman: you were right, i probably can fix this one lol - same trouble with eth0 connections
[07:12] <abattoir> i mean, it connects to the network, but i cant see the ip address
[07:12] <kkathman> yah see I knew you were the ONE  (call her Neo)
[07:13] <abattoir> works fine on my Mandriva 64bit though
[07:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's something that seems to get screwed up in dapper, for some warped reason
[07:14] <kkathman> abattoir: funny about that, recently there were several 5.10 updates through Adept that killed DHCP - I never have figured that one out :(
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi guys, i am trying to install matlab on linux. i had success but it crashes VERY OFTEN
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:12]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> at this page: http://www.me.ucsb.edu/~moehlis/ME17/matlab_home.html there's the message that i got
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:12]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> the guide tells me that i can ignore it but when that error happens my matlab crashes..
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:13]  --> azhax has joined this channel. (n=azhax@60.51.71.131)
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> [19:13]  <Tallia1Kubuntu> is that an X error and is there a way to set a "continue on errors" instead of "exit on errors"?
[07:14] <kkathman> my same box and network utilizes DHCP fine under SuSE tho
[07:14] <abattoir> kkathman: but it didnt work well with breeze either
[07:14] <kkathman> Tallia1Kubuntu: PLEASE use the pastbin!
[07:14] <abattoir> i meant breezy... sorry
[07:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry, i didn't want to write it again. :)
[07:15] <Hobbsee> ah, well if it didnt work with breezy, it probably wasnt that
[07:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can you see my question?
[07:15] <leafw> how can one know which runlevel is currently in use ?
[07:16] <kkathman> leafw check your dmesg that should tell you
[07:16] <leafw> thanks
[07:16] <kkathman> but I'd wager if you are KDE its run level 2
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kkathman: ? :)
[07:16] <leafw> I'm in kde
[07:16] <kkathman> Tallia1Kubuntu: ?
[07:17] <jariep1__> kkathman, can I use checkinstall with xampp, where can i go to read how?
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kkathman: is there a way to change the behaviour on error?
[07:17] <leafw> I haven't reboot in months, the dmesg log doesn't start with a booting log sequence
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in case of error*
[07:17] <leafw> kkathman: is there any other way?
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or i have to find another matlab installer?
[07:18] <kkathman> jariep1__: sigh you dont really need to make a deb or checkinstall :)
[07:18] <abattoir> Hobbsee: I checked /etc/network/interfaces.... it does have 'auto wlan0'... it also has 'wireless-essid NETGEAR', i assume, that this means at startup it always tries to connect to NETGEAR.. right?
[07:18] <kkathman> leafw:  lemme check something
[07:18] <jariep1__> kkathman, only thing is if i install xampp, i won't be able to remove it, if i want to upgrade or change something
[07:18] <Hobbsee> abattoir: probably
[07:19] <abattoir> have any idea if i can also put in encryption details?
[07:20] <kkathman> leafw: type    runlevel at your console and see if that works
[07:20] <bryan> anyone here have any opinions on fedora?
[07:21] <leafw> kkathman: thanks, it did.
[07:21] <leafw> kkathman: you were right: kde runs on level 2
[07:21] <leafw> it's time to mess with runlevels and disable all the stuff I don't use (bluetooth, what not)
[07:22] <kkathman> bryan: what are you looking for in a distro?
[07:23] <bryan> a stable desktop os that is going to run the latest opensource software
[07:23] <seashell11> bryan: then ubuntu has it
[07:23] <kkathman> bryan: most of the major Linux distros work well and will fit that criteria, most will boot out of the box, and run OSS.
[07:23] <kkathman> its really a matter of preference, bryan
[07:24] <bryan> what are the differences between fedora and ubuntu? (besides obvious..)
[07:24] <kkathman> ubuntu probably is one of the easiest to install and get on line with, and hands down has the best user community
[07:24] <kkathman> bryan: mostly package management
[07:25] <bryan> ok, i'm runnign ubuntu now, and i have found the package management to be excellent
[07:25] <kkathman> bryan: Fedora is basically RedHat, so it uses the RPM system of package management, whereas ubuntu follows the Debian way and uses APT_GET
[07:25] <ROBOd> hello
[07:25] <bryan> one thing i noticed was that i can install the RPM package management
[07:25] <ROBOd> i have ubuntu 5.10
[07:25] <bryan> is that generally a good thing to do on a ubuntu distro?
[07:25] <ROBOd> and i want to try out kubuntu and i want to see kde 3.5
[07:26] <ROBOd> i've installed the meta-package KDE
[07:26] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[07:26] <ubotu> it has been said that kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:26] <ROBOd> i didn't know about kubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <seashell11> bryan: it would be better to try alien
[07:26] <ROBOd> now ... why I didn't get kde 3.5?
[07:26] <ROBOd> i have kde 3.4 only
[07:26] <bryan> what package types can alien handle?
[07:26] <ROBOd> and i enabled all repositories
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ROBOd: because it was released after feature freeze
[07:27] <Hobbsee> !tell ROBOd about kde3.5
[07:27] <seashell11> ubotu tell bryan about alien
[07:28] <ROBOd> thanks
[07:28] <bryan> i just read a short description of alien... so it will basically allow me to convert rpm files, etc into debian packages?
[07:28] <ROBOd> is it safe to add that source and install kde 3.5 from that? on my ubuntu 5.10
[07:28] <leafw> what is lvm ?
[07:28] <ROBOd> will it nicely upgrade my kde 3.4 or i have to remove it first?
[07:30] <seashell11> bryan: yes you can install rpms with alien though it is better to install the .deb version if you can find one
[07:30] <kkathman> ROBOd:  it will upgrade...just be sure to follow the examples exactly
[07:31] <ROBOd> follow which examples? ...
[07:31] <ROBOd> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:31] <ROBOd> there's only a line to add ... and pick kubuntu-desktop for installation from synaptic
[07:32] <ROBOd> i'll also add the signatures
[07:32] <jariep1__> does checkinstall only work for sources or can it be used with binaries?
[07:34] <DexterF> well, if there's a Makefile that just copies binaries, checkinstall could handl eit
[07:34] <bryan> is there a way to get a package set for ubuntu that contains an updated version of each package?
[07:34] <DexterF> after all, it "just" makes a protocol of make install or whatever command calls installation
[07:35] <Hobbsee> jariep1__: why would you want to use checkinstall on a binary?
[07:35] <bryan> for example, i just installed ubuntu, but the version of firefox it ccomes with is 1.07... way too old for this guy
[07:35] <jariep1__> oops, ok am learning
[07:35] <DexterF> bryan: get familiar with synaptic
[07:36] <DexterF> or aptitude
[07:39] <bryan> synaptic still only shows firefox 1.07 as the latest version
[07:40] <yellowdart> bryan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:41] <bryan> thanks, that's just what i needed
[07:41] <hawking> how can i find out what program is blocking the sound?
[07:41] <hawking> I mean the others give busy message
[07:43] <yellowdart> bryan: here's a lot more docs like that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[07:44] <cerbero> i want to download kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso using jigdo so i need the URL of the mirror
[07:44] <apokryphos> cerbero: go to the download page for it, then
[07:44] <jariep1__> is there a facility for removing xampp easily, since it's a tarball?
[07:46] <triode> hello. Where can I find information on setting up a home network for file/printer sharing? (I'm using Kubuntu 5.10 on all computers of the network but would also like to add windowsxp computers to the network)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> !samba
[07:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[07:48] <Hobbsee> triode: ^
[07:48] <triode> thanks! (noob here!)
[07:48] <Riddell> JakubS: it's waiting to be reviewed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportLibnssMdns
[07:48] <Riddell> JakubS: I'll add it to the kubuntu seed
[07:51] <halibut> I have a ubuntu install CD, can I install kubuntu with this?
[07:51] <iantec> why cant i be a su? italways says conversation with su failed
[07:51] <seashell11> halibut: yes, do a server install and then install kubuntu-desktop after it is running
[07:52] <seashell11> ubotu tell iantec about root
[07:52] <halibut> seashell11, will that definitely work exactly as a kubuntu install?
[07:52] <halibut> Could I just do a normal install and then remove gnome afterwards?
[07:53] <iantec> i mean i cant even run synaptic
[07:53] <Hobbsee> you could, but it's probably quicker to do a server install, with kubuntu-desktop
[07:53] <halibut> I am not so good with apt so I dont want to have to install kubuntu-desktop from the CL
[07:53] <iantec> but before i was able to run it
[07:53] <Hobbsee> iantec: yes, because you had gnome desktop on there
[07:53] <seashell11> halibut: if you don't want gnome doing a server install and then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will do what you want
[07:53] <iantec> so i need to go back to gnome? is that it?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> iantec: all you'd have to do, is do the server install, then when it all finishes, go "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" hit enter, wait, then login
[07:54] <seashell11> it will be exactly the same as a kubuntu cd would install it
[07:54] <iantec> i already have kubuntu....i switched from gnom,e to kde using synaptic but now i cant use synaptic
[07:54] <halibut> ok
[07:55] <leafw> how can one reboot into a particular runlevel, or have the booting sequence stop to ask the user whcich runlevel to run after the rdS ?
[07:56] <yellowdart> iantec: what is your problem exactly? not enough permissions or does synaptic not load at all?
[07:56] <Gentix> I've got some nvidia crap problems:
[07:56] <Gentix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:56] <Gentix> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[07:57] <Gentix> this happend after i tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia.com I got problems with those and so reinstalled ubuntu's version drivers
[07:57] <Gentix> now i get that error
[08:01] <Gentix> I've got some nvidia crap problems:
[08:01] <Gentix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:01] <Gentix> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[08:02] <Gentix> this happend after i tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia.com I got problems with those and so reinstalled ubuntu's version drivers
[08:02] <Gentix> now i get that error
[08:03] <seashell11> hmm.... maybe if Gentix would wash the crap off his video card it would help? :-D
[08:03] <iantec> for some reason root has been blocked since ive been trying to access it
[08:04] <Chousuke> iantec: are you using sudo?
[08:04] <seashell11> iantec did you try: kdesu synaptic
[08:05] <iantec> no....where can i find that sorry im real new and really confused...
[08:05] <Hobbsee> iantec: alt+f2
[08:06] <iantec> conversation failed with su
[08:06] <leafw> how can one reboot into a particular runlevel, or have the booting sequence stop to ask the user whcich runlevel to run after the rdS ?
[08:07] <yellowdart> iantec: you should be able to run 'sudo synaptic' from a terminal
[08:08] <jariep1__> ok, I want to install xampp, but xaqmpp comes with phpmyadmin, so I am having a bug which won't let me uninstall phpmyadmin... how do i remove it from the system so I can install XAMPP?
[08:08] <jariep1__> so it doesn't show up in apt?
[08:08] <yellowdart> iantec: or kdesu like seashell11 says
[08:09] <jariep1__> if I remove phpmyadmin manually, will it still show up in adept?
[08:09] <iantec> but im not really good at terminals i mean its really frustrating,,,, ive been reading a lot but still i cant perform such simple task... oh i guess i just have to learn more
[08:10] <yellowdart> iantec: ok...try this...browse to Synaptic on your K menu...right click and select "edit item"
[08:10] <seashell11> iantec press alt+f2 and then enter in kdesu synaptic
[08:11] <iantec> yes i did that alreadt seashell.... an error message showed up and said conversation failed with su
[08:11] <yellowdart> iantec: check the box "run as different user" leave it empt and save
[08:11] <seashell11> iantech try yellowdart 's way
[08:12] <yellowdart> then try to run from the menu and it should ask for a password
[08:14] <iantec> what do you mean?
[08:15] <yellowdart> iantec: i'll walk you through it
[08:15] <iantec> k
[08:15] <yellowdart> iantec: go to "synaptic" in your menu...right-click and select "edit item"
[08:16] <iantec> ok
[08:16] <yellowdart> iantec: a window should come up with all your menu items
[08:16] <iantec> yes im there now
[08:16] <yellowdart> iantec: check the box on the lower right that says "run as different user"
[08:16] <iantec> yes it is marked with an x
[08:16] <yellowdart> iantec: leave the fields empty and save
[08:17] <iantec> ok
[08:17] <yellowdart> try to run synaptic from the menu now...that should work
[08:18] <yellowdart> iantec: if not..i suggest installing kpackage
[08:18] <yellowdart> iantec: and doing the same steps to "run as different user"
[08:19] <seashell11> iantec: try gksudo synaptic
[08:19] <iantec> sorry kde su
[08:20] <iantec> cvonversation with kde failed
[08:20] <iantec> well anyway thanks for the hel i guess i messed my os up
[08:20] <iantec> il just get a fresh install tom
[08:21] <yellowdart> iantec: can you still access synaptic from gnome?
[08:21] <seashell11> hope you get it working iantec :-)
[08:24] <iantec> it wont work either
[08:28] <sampan> iantec, can you try: sudo adept-updater ... after a fresh breezy install, i had those same 'conversation with su' errors until i updated my system
[08:29] <sampan> (actually it was changing my timezone that initiated it, but then i couldn't run anything with kdesu ... i think it all was a part of that admin mode bug b/c the same updates that fixed the admin mode bug fixed kdesu/clock/adept errors for me)
[08:30] <nunnu> hi
[08:30] <nunnu> doesn't kubuntu have something like synaptic??
[08:30] <HeadUp`> et.merc
[08:34] <HeadUp`> et.merc
[08:34] <trappist> nunnu: it has synaptic
[08:38] <nunnu> i just installed kubuntu and I can't find synaptic nor kynaptic
[08:40] <HeadUp`> !test!
[08:40] <ubotu> Crashed.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:40] <Hobbsee> !test
[08:40] <ubotu> Stop poking me!
[08:41] <Hobbsee> !no
[08:41] <ubotu> Ahh, too bad, I really thought so...
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[08:41] <nunnu> !test
[08:41] <nunnu> irw
[08:41] <nunnu> naljakas
[08:41] <kkathman> !botsnack
[08:41] <ubotu> thanks kkathman :)
[08:42] <ArthurB> Hi, is anyone successfully running stunnel4 here ?
[08:43] <HeadUp`> jOr et.merc
[08:57] <angasule> my font sizes seem to be screwed up, what could be changing the font sizes? is there a delta for that?
[09:02] <tech9iner> moin kMateyzzzz ;] 
[09:03] <kkathman> hey tech9iner :)
[09:03] <kkathman> oooo late!
[09:04] <tech9iner> sardonically hilARIOUS lol.. Patch this! Musings on Microsoft's Windows patching.. http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7350372195.html
[09:05] <tech9iner> albeit sad for unreasonably prevalent windBLOWz users / dependents ;[..
[09:08] <galorin> I'm on kubuntu breezy, setting up a HTPC.  How do I set up the system to do suspend to ram, and suspend to disk
[09:08] <galorin> ?
[09:13] <Mias> hi
[09:15] <Mias> my kubuntu 5.10 installer hangs on tzconfig and user- config, what can I do?
[09:16] <Mias> freshly burned on cd
[09:17] <tech9iner> sadly.. personal exper my end impels me to reburn AFTER confirming iso downloaded's checksum matches Mias ;[..
[09:18] <Mias> tech9iner: I don't understand (no native english speaker)
[09:18] <tech9iner> also.. depending on your burner hardware and cd-r / cd-rw media quality Mias .. on occasion i was forced to manually slow down burn speeds to help assure resulting file integrity
[09:18] <tech9iner> sorry Mias .. 1. make sure checksum matches on downloaded iso
[09:19] <tech9iner> Mias: if checksum is good.. then try reburning to media at slower burn speeds than auto configs
[09:19] <Mias> tech9iner: I never had problems with burning with 8x, but maybe thats it
[09:19] <tech9iner> and checksum confirms Mias ?
[09:19] <Mias> tech9iner: ok *checking*
[09:21] <Mias> shouldn't it be possible to boot from this image directly, btw? with lilo and mkisofs?
[09:24] <Mias> md5sum DL/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso gives me the correct md5sum
[09:29] <abionnnn> heh kubuntu's libsdl package doesn't have all the headers :P
[09:29] <abionnnn> (SDL_image.h for one...)
[09:30] <pv_> abionnnn, it is not a part of the SDL library
[09:30] <pv_> try libsdl-image1.2-dev
[09:31] <abionnnn> cool ta
[09:42] <Mias> tech9iner: is there no other solution?
[09:42] <Mias> hi Zappa :) some friends use to call me so
[09:43] <tech9iner> Mias: have you now reburned slower speeds yet? my last idea here guv.. good luck
[09:43] <Mias> tech9iner: no, not yet.. guv?
[09:43] <Mias> b4??
[09:44] <tech9iner> Mias: guv as in 'guv'ner' uk slang for 'dude' rofl
[09:44] <tech9iner> b4 = before Mias sorry chap
[09:44] <Mias> tech9iner: hehe
[09:44] <tech9iner> no native language kubuntu irc channel i take it eh Mias ;] 
[09:45] <tech9iner> oh and btw Mias .. perhaps a class or two in beginner YODA SPEAK would help in your attempts to communicate w dumkopf tech9iner? rofl
[09:46] <seashell11> !run
[09:46] <Mias> yoda? err
[09:46] <Mias> tech9iner: shouldn't it be possible to boot from this image directly, btw? with lilo and mkisofs?
[09:46] <tech9iner> 'b4' you ask Mias rofl.. Yoda is character in starwars triligy rofl
[09:47] <Mias> ah I c.. we had a politician here called Yagoda..
[09:47] <tech9iner> Mias bad source for such booting questions here chum.. never tried this end ;] .. either install via iso burned discs or http/ftp network isntalls my only experience / kb here mate
[09:48] <tech9iner> kb = knowledge base btw Mias rofl
[09:49] <tech9iner> which reminds me Mias .. letsee if this translates / parsable your end mate.. difference tween cowboy boots and politician's cowboy boots?..
[09:49] <tech9iner> Mias: the cowboy boots have the sh!t on the outside! ;] ] ] 
[09:49] <Mias> rofl
[09:50] <seashell11> tech9iner: that jokes getting kinda old by now lol :-)
[09:50] <tech9iner> granted.. but i had new blood so sue me rofl
[09:51] <tech9iner> know how politicians are similar to baby diapers then seashell11 ? hummmmm?? /me holds freshly baited carrot just outta reach of seashell11 rofl
[09:52] <seashell11> tech9iner: maybe they both got shit on the inside?
[09:52] <tech9iner> close but no cigar.. hehe
[09:52] <tech9iner> both need frequent and rapid changes.. for the same reasons!! yuk yuk har har
[09:52] <jasonk> Ok guys, I have a stumper for you :)
[09:53] <jasonk> whenevr I vi a file as my own user, when I go to quit vi, I get a kernel panic
[09:53] <jasonk> this only happens with vi, no toher utilities writing any other file
[09:53] <jasonk> and only happens if I am my own user, not root
[09:53] <jasonk> I tried deleting my ~/.vimrc wholesale, that did not fix the problem
[09:53] <jasonk> Anyone seen this weird behaviour in breezy?
[09:53] <tech9iner> tx 4 biting btw fwiw seashell11 lol
[09:53] <jasonk> (I know it makes no sense)
[09:54] <seashell11> jasonk: yea you right you got me stumped
[09:54] <seashell11> tech9iner: :-P lol yea sure
[09:54] <jasonk> seashell: Yeah I have never seen anyhing like this before
[09:55] <jasonk> the kernel panic is sometimes in the XFS subsystem, sometimes in the ReiserFS subsystem, thats the weird part
[09:55] <jasonk> my /home is reiserfs, my / is XFS
[09:55] <jasonk> so I can't figure out what it is tryig to write to when it flips out
[09:55] <jasonk> I think I must have some corrupted inode somewhere
[09:56] <tech9iner> ciao4now mateyzzzz.. make much moolah.. then share!! ;] ] ] 
[10:05] <kosh> what verison? what has it done?
[10:05] <kosh> I know I have lost data to reiserfs v3 and that is why I switched to xfs or at least part of the reason
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> I gave up on it years ago. Just replying to someone elses issues.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> The new benchmarks show it's about the slowes journaling FS out there now anyway, I figured they fixed the bugs and that was the result.
[10:07] <kosh> the benchmarks are bs to begin with
[10:07] <kosh> there are a lot of reasons to knock reiserfs but those benchmarks are not among them
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> owell, I don't care to have my files mixed together.
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> I've had many times with reiser where things got mixed like finding part of my X config in my sendmail.cf or some such thing.
[10:08] <kosh> that is why I stopped using it
[10:09] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I didn't want to wait until mkfs got mixed in with my kernel. :)
[10:10] <kosh> I didn't want my databases to get screwed up :)
[10:10] <kosh> screw the kernel I can download that again
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> yeah, and peoples mail getting mixed together is fun too. I didn't have any databases at the time, thank god.
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> passwd getting fragged is also fun, but easy to recover from backup.
[10:12] <kosh> the problem is that while restoring a multi gb db from backup is not that hard it is a pain in the neck
[10:12] <jorik> are there any packages i can download to translate text from dutch to english n back ?
[10:13] <kosh> however some data can not always be saved since you don't do continuous backups
[10:13] <kosh> jorik: why not use one of the online translator systems?
[10:13] <LeeJunFan> right, and reiser with raid was even more likely to cause corruption.
[10:15] <jorik> kosh thats what i do now, but i was wondering if there were packages for it, so i can automise stuff (i know i could write a wget wrapper for the site)
[10:19] <robotgeek> hey Riddell , got the dapper kubuntu flight 3 yesterday. will try it out
[10:20] <Riddell> cool
[10:20] <robotgeek> two machines on ppc. laptops, mayeb i can make  a laptop testing report. or is it too early?
[10:21] <seashell11> Riddell: is it changed any from right when you first said something about it on here? if I downloaded again is there a chance it would work?
[10:21] <Zappa> is there not a firefox 1.5 package yet? i can only see 1.0.7
[10:22] <seashell11> !firefox1.5
[10:22] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:22] <Riddell> seashell11: it's the same
[10:23] <seashell11> ok, I guess no work on my computer then, I could install breezy and upgrade though I guess
[10:23] <sampan> zappa: if you want a good explanation why there won't ever be a firefox 1.5 repo (not even backport) for breezy, see http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20051212   -- enlightening for me at least
[10:23] <Skoll> hello, any can help?
[10:24] <Skoll> I'm trying to copy the files from ntfs partition to my home
[10:24] <Skoll> and... I can't do it
[10:24] <Skoll> :S
[10:25] <kosh> hmm some of the things on that page do not seem accurate
[10:25] <kosh> like firefox being the html rendering library that a majority of linux desktop apps use
[10:26] <kosh> it seems a fairly gnome centric view
[10:27] <Zappa> sampan: ah i see
[10:27] <sampan> kosh, perhaps overstated ... i'm not an expert by any means, but i found it interesting to hear how embedded something as simple as a "browser" could be
[10:27] <sampan> i have no idea if it even pertains to kde though
[10:27] <sampan> if not, then it's a shame that the gnome-ubuntu side holds back an improvement for kde-kubuntu :/
[10:28] <kkathman> hey sampan how are you today?
[10:28] <kosh> sampan: khtml in embedded in many places with no issues at all that I have ever seen
[10:28] <kosh> sampan: however kde has a better embedding system
[10:28] <sampan> hey kkathman :)  i'm doing well -- just returned from an hour long hike (birdwatching/exercise) with the wife.  how're you?
[10:29] <sampan> kosh, so he's just blowing smoke?  O_O
[10:30] <kosh> sampan: for gnome it is probably true that the gecko rendering engine is the most often embedded and that firefox is the source that people get that engine from and that the gnome embedding technologies need a lot of work
[10:31] <kosh> sampan: there is a reason that very little seems to be reused in gnome
[10:31] <sampan> gotcha -- so it -is- a shame that a gnome-ubuntu side holds back the kde-kubuntu side
[10:31] <sampan> no repo b/c it's bad for gnome, but would be fine for kde :/
[10:33] <kosh> yeah it would probably break gnome stuff and be fine for kde
[10:33] <kkathman> sampan:  Im fine thanks, sounds like fun!!
[10:33] <kosh> but that is also because nothing in kde depends on anything in firefox
[10:33] <kosh> since khtml is the default renderer
[10:33] <kosh> however in my experience khtml is also a better renderer especially if you are a developer
[10:34] <sampan> kosh, thanks for clearing it up for me.  i tend not to use konq too much for surfing since it renders pages poorly (even KDE help pages are all screwed up with text overlapping, graphics blocks running into text, etc.)
[10:35] <sampan> i've heard, many times, that it's not konq's fault, but just poor html coding -- but then i have to stop and wonder: why does KDE's own website and help pages have such poor html?  kinda makes me ponder
[10:36] <kosh> sampan: hmm I have not seen that issue
[10:36] <kosh> sampan: what on kdes website have you seen that?
[10:37] <sampan> kosh, virtually every help page ... happened on hoary and breezy -- and i've left pretty much all the settings at default
[10:38] <kosh> sampan: I certainly don't see any, until very recently I have been using debian sid but I have been using kde since 1.0
[10:38] <kosh> sampan: an exact url that shows a problem would be useful
[10:40] <sampan> yeah, well i don't tend to bookmark things just b/c it doesn't render well ... next time i run into one i'll make sure to save it :)  i do know it happened to me twice yesterday though -- 2 of the 3 pages on kde help that i looked at :X
[10:40] <mth`MAW> Hi
[10:42] <sampan> kosh: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-multimedia/k3b/audiocdcdreating.html
[10:43] <sampan> that page has the "prev" and "next" bars running right through graphics -- i'll post a screen shot too
[10:43] <kosh> hmm I don't see it that way at all
[10:44] <nalioth> sampan: kosh: what browsers are y'all using?
[10:44] <sampan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7284
[10:44] <kosh> nalioth: konqueror from kde 3.5 however I can test it on a kde 3.4 konq and on firefox 1.0 something also
[10:44] <sampan> nalioth  konq -- just showing kosh some of the rendering that it seems to goof up on (for me)
[10:45] <sampan> that's a pretty typical example -- not every page on kde help is like that -- but enough are that it makes me end out just using firefox
[10:46] <kosh> sampan: what version of kde are you running?
[10:46] <sampan> 3.4.3
[10:47] <sampan> it's not the sort of thing that's critical for me, just kinda weird
[10:48] <kosh> I can't replicate that
[10:48] <sampan> lol -- it's my usual curse -- if there's a way to somehow muck it up, i'll find it
[10:49] <nalioth> kosh: well, the different vintages and rendering engines show things differently
[10:50] <kosh> html rendering is a major pain in the neck but this problem I can't replicate
[10:51] <larsivi> nalioth: khtml (the html engine in konqueror) is considered the most standardsconforming browser
[10:51] <kosh> well at least with 3.5 it is the most conformant, under 3.4 it was darn close though
[10:52] <nalioth> larsivi: yes, but gecko is coming up fast
[10:52] <larsivi> nalioth: I wouldn't know, apple is pushing quite a lot of goodies into khtml through safari
[10:53] <sampan> the real question though is when are all the big websites going to actually CARE about following the standards?  standards are great, except if major sites continue to not give a hoot :/
[10:53] <larsivi> sampan: true
[10:53] <larsivi> the problem as always is IE
[10:54] <kosh> ie 7 is trying to be more standards compliant though
[10:55] <kosh> not out of goodness of their heart though
[10:55] <kosh> but the odds are that it is going to break things for older ie browsers
[10:56] <nalioth> kosh: are you alright? i just saw the most abominable stuff come out of your mouth
[10:58] <Skoll> hello, I have a problem
[10:58] <seashell11> !helpme
[10:58] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[10:58] <kosh> 42
[10:58] <Skoll> I don't have sound, normally I use alsaconf to configure my sound car
[10:59] <Skoll> the problem is that in ubuntu I don't have this command
[10:59] <Skoll> is there any option?
[10:59] <Zappa> how would i format an SD memory card? (attached on /dev/sde)
[11:00] <ArthurB> cfdisk /dev/sde
[11:01] <DHGE> Zappa: man mkfs   - i would use vfat: common, useful for swapping data between OSs and platforms
[11:01] <mac_> is anyone else missing a "focus rectangle" when drag'n'dropping stuff on the KDE desktop?
[11:01] <kosh> Skoll: try sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[11:01] <Skoll> kosh, alsa-utils instaled
[11:01] <mac_> apparently there is supposed to be a dotted/colored rectangle around the "target" under the dragging cursor, but I have none... wondering if it's just my setup or Kubuntu thing...
[11:02] <kosh> Skoll: hmm alsaconf is part of alsa-utils and it is in /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[11:03] <kosh> Skoll: however it is probably root only to run
[11:03] <Skoll>  sudo alsaconf
[11:03] <Skoll> Password:
[11:03] <Skoll> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[11:03] <Skoll> this is the problem
[11:03] <kosh> sampan: even strange I tried it on a kde 3.4.3 on debian sid and could not replicate that problem there either
[11:04] <Keyseir> is there an emulator that allows you to run macintosh software on linux? Like Wine does for windows?
[11:04] <kosh> try sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[11:04] <Skoll> with alsa-utils alsaconf doesn't install
[11:04] <Skoll> sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[11:04] <Skoll> sudo: /usr/sbin/alsaconf: command not found
[11:04] <Skoll> the smae
[11:04] <kosh> hmm
[11:04] <Skoll> same
[11:04] <Skoll> sorry
[11:04] <Skoll> kosh, my problem is that I'd like use a sound blaster
[11:05] <Skoll> but alsa takes my integrated sound card
[11:05] <kosh> it should probably configure all of your cards
[11:05] <Skoll> surely, but I don't have option to change the sound card
[11:08] <kosh> Skoll: well I know where the problem is now, I switched from debian sid to kubuntu and I still have the alsa stuff from sid and that one has alsaconf
[11:08] <kosh> Skoll: no idea why the kubuntu one does not though still trying to figure that out
[11:08] <Skoll> ok
[11:09] <Skoll> thanks
[11:09] <Skoll> :S
[11:09] <sampan> kosh, thanks for trying :)  i'm not sure why i would be the only one experiencing it.  must be something i do or have done, but i'm pretty sure i've left konq pretty much configured default
[11:09] <Owner> howdy folks, anyone around to answer a question about installing kubuntu?
[11:10] <sampan> kosh, it's really strange though.  if i reload that page, it's still messed up, but messed up differently than the previous time: now no blue bars running across the image, but text still does
[11:10] <sampan> absolutely weird
[11:11] <seashell11> owner: you do not have to ask to ask, just ask
[11:11] <Owner> When I am installing kubuntu, it hangs up after displaying "unlink iqc"
[11:11] <DHGE> Owner: which version of Kubuntu? machine type?
[11:12] <seashell11> owner: how far into the install does it get before crashing?
[11:12] <Owner> amd 64 newest version
[11:12] <DHGE> did you try the Live-CD?
[11:12] <Owner> yah, does same thing
[11:13] <Owner> it get's about ten seconds in
[11:14] <Owner> to something like "unlink IQC on no IQC, probibly wrong....something"
[11:14] <DHGE> Owner: which version of Kubuntu? (breezy, dapper flight x)
[11:14] <mac_> can anyone tell me how to properly build a KDE Help Center Search Index in Kubuntu?  Seems I need "htdig" installed, but still no good... claims it only found one handbook...
[11:15] <Owner> 5.10 dvd
[11:15] <Owner> for amd 64 machine
[11:16] <seashell11> owner: did you try the CD? are the md5sums right for the iso file you do have downloaded?
[11:16] <DHGE> Owner: 5.10 works here (ASUS A8V, SATA was no fun) try KANOTIX 64 instead - worked better here
[11:16] <Owner> I don't know how to check the md5 sum
[11:16] <DHGE> or try some options like noapic ...
[11:16] <kosh> Skoll: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1680
[11:17] <DHGE> konsole, then md5sum kubun...iso  and compare the sum with the contents of the textfile on website
[11:18] <kosh> sampan: I don't even know what setting you could change that would break that
[11:18] <Owner> hah, I don't have linux installed yet :)
[11:18] <DHGE> or CTRL-ALT-F4 to see the debug output during install ...
[11:18] <sampan> kosh, lol ... me either.  :)  but, i'm good at breaking the unbreakable
[11:19] <seashell11> owner are you on linux or windows or what?
[11:19] <Owner> windows
[11:19] <DHGE> http://www.google.de/search?q=md5sum+win32&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[11:19] <kosh> sampan: the most likely thing I see that breaks things are when people set a minimum font size, that can break things but it won't cause the problem you are seeing
[11:19] <Skoll> I see kosh thanks
[11:20] <seashell11> http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/md5.php
[11:20] <seashell11> owner try that website
[11:20] <Owner> ok
[11:21] <sampan> kosh, *nod*  well like i said, i'm not overly broken up about it -- firefox works well and the error in konq isn't critical so i just usually ignore it
[11:23] <kosh> sampan: you should consider exorcism ;)
[11:23] <DHGE> mac_: apt-cache search kde|grep doc    (from universe)
[11:23] <seashell11> owner: download the md5sum.exe then run command md5sum.exe <path to .iso file>
[11:23] <sampan> kosh, lol -- that's what getting rid of windows was!
[11:23] <Owner> oh, I was doing it wrong, thanks
[11:24] <Owner> it just flashed a command prompt box and dissapeared
[11:25] <DHGE> Owner: cmd  and then type ...
[11:26] <Owner> k, it is working now, thanks
[11:27] <Owner> showing a lot of "failed to open"'s and is really slow
[11:27] <Owner> wow
[11:28] <mac_> DHGE, as far as I can tell, I *do* have the application manuals installed, it's just that the build process is not finding them...
[11:28] <DHGE> weird...
[11:28] <Owner> md5sum.exe: WARNING: 4459 of 4459 listed files could not be read
[11:28] <Owner> :D
[11:28] <DHGE> konsole, then md5sum kubun...iso  and compare the sum with the contents of the textfile on website
[11:30] <Owner> Hold on a sec, I think I forgot to delete the remnents of the iso that I stopped downloading and burned it, thinking it was the good one.
[11:31] <Owner> nm, not true
[11:31] <DHGE> Owner: try to let some konsole wizard show you some tricks: tab-completion, copying with mouse ...
[11:32] <Owner> i know those :)
[11:32] <galorin> I'm trying to get sleep states working on my PC.  It goes down fine, but doesn't come up fine.  I'm not sure what's locking up, etc.  Kind of at sea with these
[11:32] <DHGE> galorin: much to read in /var/log ;-)
[11:33] <Owner> where is the md4sum on the kubuntu website?
[11:33] <Owner> I don't see it
[11:34] <Owner> nm
[11:34] <DHGE> http://www.google.de/search?q=md5sum+kubuntu+breezy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[11:34] <DHGE> where did u dl the iso? there it is...
[11:35] <DHGE> first line on page...
[11:36] <Zappa> has anyone else installed the arts engine for amaroK package? it's not appearing in the dropdown in amaroK
[11:38] <Owner> no use, can't get a md5sum cause it can't read the iso
[11:38] <DHGE> Zappa: i use gstreamer - recomandation of the amaroks devs AFAIK - why arts?
[11:39] <DHGE> Owner: if you can burn md5sum can read ...
[11:39] <kosh> with amarok I use the xine plugin
[11:39] <kosh> it can do 7.1 output :)
[11:39] <galorin> Long logs... guess I'll have to check it out just after a failed resume... question is do I go for sleep or hibernate first.....
[11:39] <DHGE> with 7.1 mp3s ... ;-)
[11:40] <Zappa> DHGE: im getting an error from amarok saying "the gst-engine claims it cannot play mp3 files"
[11:40] <Zappa> but my audio is working fine otherwise
[11:40] <kosh> there is a standard for upmixing however it is better then having my speakers try and do it or sending the output to my decoder first then the speakers
[11:40] <DHGE> galorin:  it 11pm here - I go to sleep ;-)
[11:40] <kosh> however you can do 7.1 ogg files :)
[11:40] <DHGE> OIC
[11:40] <galorin> I should be as well, but the toddler is rampaging.
[11:41] <kosh> that is what tranquilizer guns are for :)
[11:41] <galorin> she's too fast
[11:41] <galorin> and there are already too many holes in the wall.
[11:42] <Zappa> DHGE: any idea why gstreamer might not be working for me?
[11:42] <kosh> how about some kind of nerve gas?
[11:43] <galorin> too much collateral damage
[11:43] <Owner> ok, I know, I am retarded....the md5sums match
[11:44] <DHGE> Zappa: maybe you need a decoder - i have no sound or mp3 on this machine can not check - try !mplayer in #kanotix channel
[11:46] <Owner> I am going to run the install again and write down exactly what it says
[11:46] <Owner> brb
[11:55] <Shawgo> hey, it's owner
[11:55] <Shawgo> should I type out the last line before the install freezes?
[11:56] <Shawgo> Ohci_hcd 0000:00:13.1: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Controller is probably using using the wrong IRQ.
[11:57] <eidolon> hi folks, what tools can i use to set clockspeed on a speedstep enabled laptop?  Klaptop doesn't seem to be changing the clockspeed.
[12:01] <seashell11> is owner still around? here is a better description of how to check md5sums on windows
[12:01] <seashell11> !md5sum
[12:01] <ubotu> I guess md5sum is to verify your ISO, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto for Windows see http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows