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| seb128 | how comes than some people still comment on bugzilla? | 12:25 |
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| dholbach | seb128: are the comments on bugzilla and launchpad in sync? | 12:27 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ?? | 12:27 |
| dholbach | which bug is it? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | dholbach: bugzilla should be read-only, I guess that some people still have the login activated from before the migration or something | 12:28 |
| seb128 | dholbach: not going to make a difference, you are not a bugzilla admin :) | 12:28 |
| dholbach | ... | 12:28 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19777 got one | 12:28 |
| Ubugtu | Ubuntu bug 19777: "Program freeze on selecting directory using gnome file chooser" Product: Ubuntu, Component: gtk+2.0, Severity: normal, Assigned to: seb128@ubuntu.com, Status: NEEDINFO | 12:28 |
| dholbach | I just wanted to know if launchpad and bugzilla have the same comments in those cases. | 12:29 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372 got one saturday | 12:29 |
| Ubugtu | Ubuntu bug 15372: "alts_toggle breaks instead of overriding ralt -> l3" Product: Ubuntu, Component: xkeyboard-config, Severity: major, Assigned to: daniel.stone@ubuntu.com, Status: REOPENED | 12:29 |
| seb128 | dholbach: there is no gateway between both | 12:29 |
| seb128 | dholbach: the import was a one run stuff and bugzilla is supposed to be locked (if I got it right) | 12:29 |
| dholbach | I see. :/ | 12:29 |
| mpt | oh dear | 12:32 |
| mpt | so Bugzilla login was disabled, but that didn't stop people who had checked the "Remember me" checkbox or whatever it was | 12:32 |
| mpt | Fortunately that particular comment was mostly noise ;-) | 12:34 |
| seb128 | yeah, but I've got 3 on saturday too | 12:35 |
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| seb128 | and I'm not subscribed to every bugs on it | 12:35 |
| mpt | jamesh? | 12:36 |
| jamesh | mpt: yeah? | 12:36 |
| mpt | can you turn off bug editing for real, instead of just turning off logging in? :-) | 12:37 |
| mpt | (on bugzilla) | 12:37 |
| jamesh | mpt: I don't know | 12:38 |
| jamesh | I used the method to disable editing that kiko suggested | 12:39 |
| mpt | well it seems not to be working | 12:39 |
| jamesh | it'd probably be worth changing the db permissions at this point, actually | 12:39 |
| mpt | jamesh, a cheap and nasty way to fix the problem right now would be to delete process_bug.cgi and enter_bug.cgi | 12:40 |
| jamesh | mpt: I don't have the ability to do any of these things on my own though | 12:42 |
| mpt | who does? | 12:42 |
| jamesh | we'd need elmo or Znarl | 12:42 |
| mpt | ... followed up later by hacking show_bug.cgi to display the data as text rather than form fields | 12:42 |
| mpt | ok, so it's an rt thang | 12:42 |
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| mpt | what's the rt address? | 12:43 |
| jamesh | I just use the web interface | 12:43 |
| jamesh | https://rt.admin.canonical.com/ | 12:43 |
| mpt | ok, I'll request that now | 12:44 |
| dholbach | good night everybody. | 12:44 |
| mpt | except it wants a "username" | 12:44 |
| jamesh | the login is the same as the one we use for https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com | 12:44 |
| jamesh | iirc | 12:44 |
| jamesh | and the canonical wiki | 12:44 |
| mpt | ok | 12:44 |
| elmo | eww eww | 12:45 |
| elmo | please use mail | 12:45 |
| elmo | to create tickets | 12:45 |
| elmo | otherwise they come from a generic user and replies don't go to anyone | 12:45 |
| elmo | just mail rt@admin.canonical.com | 12:45 |
| mpt | ok | 12:45 |
| elmo | jamesh: did you see my question earlier about the activity log in malone? | 12:45 |
| jamesh | elmo: no | 12:46 |
| de_wizze | do we raise web design questions here ? | 12:46 |
| elmo | 18:48 < elmo> jamesh: do you think it'd be possible to add something to the activity log for all the bugs imported from bugzilla? | 12:46 |
| mpt | de_wizze, what kind of Web design questions? | 12:47 |
| de_wizze | how about default setting concerns | 12:47 |
| mpt | about the design of Launchpad? yes | 12:47 |
| jamesh | elmo: I suppose so. What do you think would be appropriate? | 12:47 |
| mpt | about Web design in general? no :-) | 12:47 |
| lifeless | allYouBugsBelongToUs | 12:47 |
| elmo | jamesh: just any note that amounts to "imported from bugzilla on dd-mm-yyyy" or whatever? | 12:47 |
| de_wizze | Web Design - the launchpad page has horizontal scroolbars in IE | 12:47 |
| elmo | [orthogonally-ish, in general I'd love to see activity log more widely used, last I checked, it doesn't record outgoing emails] | 12:48 |
| mpt | de_wizze, every page? | 12:49 |
| mpt | or just the front page? | 12:49 |
| mpt | or just some other page? | 12:49 |
| de_wizze | every page that I have been to so far | 12:49 |
| lifeless | if we are whinging about malone, where is the 'malone spams me when I change something' bug on the fixlist ? | 12:50 |
| elmo | oh the non-subscriber stuff? | 12:50 |
| elmo | that might be me :/ | 12:51 |
| lifeless | ? | 12:51 |
| de_wizze | I think is has to do with the fact that a width of 100% is hard coded into the table class named "header" | 12:51 |
| elmo | lifeless: oh, nm, you're talking about something else, I guess. do you mean the fact you get mail? | 12:51 |
| elmo | lifeless: or the fact you get "post from a non-subscriber" whines from mailman? | 12:52 |
| lifeless | elmo: no, I mean that say I open a bug in malone on bzr, malone then tells the members of the bzr-developers team, which includes me. | 12:52 |
| lifeless | rather than telling the *other* members. | 12:52 |
| elmo | ah, ok, sorry, don't mind me then | 12:52 |
| mpt | de_wizze, assuming you mean IE for Windows, I don't have it, so any help you can provide in debugging that problem would be great :-) | 12:52 |
| lifeless | likewise, if you open a bug, you always get a mail, which users count as spam. | 12:52 |
| lifeless | we had a guy yesterday in #bzr | 12:52 |
| lifeless | we asked him to file a bug | 12:53 |
| lifeless | he signed up to lp | 12:53 |
| lifeless | filed the bug | 12:53 |
| lifeless | changed the status | 12:53 |
| lifeless | complained about spam, and changed his account's email to point to an address he never ever uses | 12:53 |
| lifeless | asked if there was some way he could 'deregister' | 12:53 |
| elmo | lifeless: err, you can't fix that | 12:53 |
| jamesh | lifeless: #8 on https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MaloneRunsUbuntuTaskList | 12:53 |
| lifeless | elmo: its a bug, not a feature, its very fixable. | 12:54 |
| elmo | well, in the sense, that you're inevitably going to get some mail when you report a bug | 12:54 |
| lifeless | jamesh: sweet. | 12:54 |
| de_wizze | mpt: ok will do | 12:54 |
| elmo | either when it's closed or a request for more information | 12:54 |
| lifeless | elmo: in bugzilla, when *I* change a bug I'm subscribed to, *I* dont get mail. | 12:54 |
| elmo | if someone reacts that violently to a confirmation mail ... | 12:54 |
| mpt | elmo, it's the "don't mail me about stuff *I* did" bug | 12:54 |
| lifeless | elmo: no, it was the 5 follow ons from lp-itself. | 12:54 |
| elmo | meh, ok | 12:54 |
| elmo | (still think he's overreacting tho :P) | 12:55 |
| jamesh | lifeless: you mean 5 emails for 5 changes, or something else? | 12:55 |
| lifeless | I haven't quite gotten pissed off enough to blacklist lp mails to me | 12:55 |
| de_wizze | now about the new placement of the logout button in the upper right corner ... | 12:55 |
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| mpt | bug 548 | 12:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 548: "don't send mails about changes to the people doing the change" Fix req. for: malone (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Brad Bollenbach, Status: Confirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/548 | 12:55 |
| lifeless | jamesh: open the bug, change the priority, change the severity, update the description etc | 12:55 |
| mpt | bug 1350 | 12:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1350: "Change notifications should be batched" Fix req. for: malone (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/1350 | 12:55 |
| lifeless | the first one is not needed - he knows he filed the bug, and none of the rest are needed either. | 12:56 |
| lifeless | mpt: yeah, both of those. | 12:56 |
| mpt | and making more changes possible in a single step in the Web interface will help too | 12:56 |
| jamesh | lifeless: okay, so 5 form submits. That's the "normal" malone bug spam, rather than a new issue | 12:58 |
| lifeless | jamesh: I did not claim it was new ;) | 12:58 |
| lifeless | jamesh: I just asked where it was in the priority list, which mpt answered well | 12:58 |
| mpt | de_wizze, report bugs about Launchpad in general at https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+filebug | 01:00 |
| mpt | seb128, RT ticket sent | 01:01 |
| seb128 | thank you | 01:03 |
| jamesh | lifeless: any progress in getting rocketfuel changes to sync back to chinstrap? | 01:05 |
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| lifeless | Using saved location: sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/pqm/archives/rocketfuel/launchpad/devel/ | 01:05 |
| lifeless | [= ] fetch revision 12/562 129:42:30 | 01:06 |
| jamesh | would it be worth switching to rsync push in the short term? | 01:06 |
| lifeless | jamesh: no, that will cause serious confusion | 01:07 |
| jamesh | fair enough | 01:07 |
| lifeless | jamesh: rsync is not safe for concurrent access to a branch, and there are cron scripts doing exactly that | 01:07 |
| lifeless | its 500 revs because the fixed push on thursday was aborted too | 01:08 |
| elmo | lifeless: I'm sorry about killing pqm, I was sure you once told me pqm was safe to kill, and didn't realise that had changed | 01:08 |
| lifeless | elmo: no apologies needed. | 01:09 |
| lifeless | generally it *should* be ok, I suspect there is a bug in bzrlib with respect to leaving stale locks | 01:09 |
| lifeless | so I have that on my todo list to fix | 01:09 |
| lifeless | but right now we seem to have pqm killing as a fix for 'its not running my merge' - which is a known clear condition, thus my mail explaining things to the relevant folk. | 01:10 |
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| jamesh | lifeless: is that 129 hour ETA for the push accurate? | 01:28 |
| lifeless | jamesh: no | 01:29 |
| jamesh | good :) | 01:29 |
| lifeless | its probably about twice that | 01:29 |
| jamesh | I wonder if rsyncing the branch to chinstrap and then doing a local push would work better | 01:31 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> then we would need to run bzr in ssh on chinstrap | 01:39 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> thats getting awfully complex | 01:39 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> compared to just fixing the root cause. | 01:39 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> and time spent on that is time not spent on the root cause. | 01:39 |
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| de_wizze | I have a simple question ... what was the reason for creating launchpad? | 02:03 |
| spiv | de_wizze: To help open source projects collaborate. | 02:11 |
| spiv | de_wizze: See also the introductory text at https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/ | 02:12 |
| jamesh | the other reason was to provide infrastructure to help develop Ubuntu | 02:15 |
| de_wizze | ok ... so one reason is in fact to help bridge and help coordinate upstream development and dispersion of projects .. correct ? | 02:19 |
| jamesh | yep | 02:21 |
| de_wizze | it kinda like what Conary strives to do, but on a broader scope? will they be or could they be complimentary? | 02:28 |
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| mpt | de_wizze, broader scope, because Launchpad covers bug tracking, translations, bounties etc as well as package management | 02:56 |
| de_wizze | thats wonderful ... | 03:00 |
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| skyblue | hi all | 03:30 |
| skyblue | I'm trying to merge some duplicate accounts with mine, but one of those accounts belong to an e-mail address I don't have access to anymore | 03:30 |
| skyblue | what am I supposed to do now? | 03:30 |
| skyblue | (I guess that address is bouncing now) | 03:31 |
| jamesh | could someone with admin access perform an administrative person merge for skyblue? | 03:32 |
| skyblue | jamesh: thanks | 03:33 |
| skyblue | for anyone who may want to take a look at it, my correct/active account name is: "ealtin" and I'd like to merge "enver-altin" and "enver-altin-frontsite" to it. | 03:56 |
| jamesh | mpt/spiv: maybe you could help skyblue? You are both on the admins group | 03:58 |
| elmo | jamesh: if it's webbased, point me at the url/right way and I can | 03:58 |
| jamesh | elmo: I was under the impression that it was web based. I'll see if I can find the URL | 04:00 |
| elmo | there's no obvious linksfor it from a person's /people/ page, so I'm assuming it's magic URL | 04:01 |
| jamesh | maybe it is something stub does directly | 04:03 |
| stub | There is a magic URL somewhere... | 04:04 |
| stub | I can't really do it directly | 04:04 |
| elmo | stub: hey - how did mizuho move without any DNS changes? :/ | 04:04 |
| spiv | jamesh: I don't know the magic URL, sorry | 04:05 |
| stub | elmo: Because the only external DNS name being used to access it is librarian.*.com, so just needed to change the apache conf. | 04:05 |
| elmo | oh, right, I'd entirely forgotten the apache front end was on another machine, sorry | 04:06 |
| elmo | stub: do you use librarian.*.com internally too? | 04:06 |
| stub | Sometimes :-) Generally the real host name is used because we need to access the upload port, so going via apache is silly | 04:08 |
| elmo | ok, then I'd like to create a librarian.internal for that? | 04:09 |
| elmo | I'd like to avoid hardcoding the penguin/antartic hostnames in services as much as poss | 04:09 |
| stub | skyblue: What is the email address that you no longer have access to? | 04:09 |
| skyblue | stub: One is enver.altin@frontsite.com.tr | 04:10 |
| skyblue | stub: The other is somehow got incorrectly imported from somewhere, possibly something like enver.altin@frontsite.com | 04:10 |
| skyblue | stub: My current preferred address is ealtin@parkyeri.com if it helps. | 04:11 |
| stub | skyblue: What happens if you try and merge one of those accounts? Does the system tell you it is sending an email for validation or something? | 04:15 |
| stub | skyblue: Merge will hopefully work now anyway | 04:17 |
| skyblue | stub: Yeah, it does. It says I'll need to follow the link submitted to me. | 04:25 |
| stub | Bug 1281 | 04:25 |
| skyblue | stub: but the problem is, I don't have access to these addresses. | 04:25 |
| stub | skyblue: Try again now - I've removed those email addresses from those accounts. I think merge will either work or you will get an OOPS error | 04:26 |
| skyblue | stub: thanks, will do. | 04:26 |
| skyblue | stub: Accounts don't seem to exist at all. They don't show up in search results. | 04:28 |
| stub | Ahh.... | 04:28 |
| skyblue | stub: that bad? :) | 04:29 |
| stub | skyblue: If there is no other reason to merge the accounts that remove the duplicates, then we are done. If those accounts had extra rights (owner/maintainer of products, bugs, packages, whatever), then that still needs to be sorted. | 04:30 |
| skyblue | stub: I guess they were gathered from translations and bug databases of some other projects. | 04:31 |
| jamesh | if that's the case, then they might get recreated on future data imports | 04:32 |
| skyblue | stub: I'm not really sure if they had some rights, but even if they had, they are not really important. | 04:32 |
| skyblue | jamesh: Yeah, possibly. | 04:32 |
| jamesh | you really want those addresses associated with the main account, but marked as OLD | 04:33 |
| skyblue | jamesh: if you say so.. :) | 04:33 |
| jamesh | maybe not: the description of OLD says "... nor should we associate new incoming content from that email address with that person." | 04:34 |
| skyblue | jamesh: apparently yes. associating them and marking as OLD looks good to me, but that's going to be a bit painful I guess :) | 04:35 |
| skyblue | how do translated content get upstream? | 04:36 |
| skyblue | are they merged to upstream repositories automatically by launchpad? | 04:37 |
| jamesh | upstreams need to perform the merges | 04:46 |
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| lifeless | jamesh: up to a review ? | 05:22 |
| lifeless | jamesh: my launchpad/story branch, now in your review queue. | 05:26 |
| dilys | Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial] use re.escape to prevent process-email from crashing. (r3004: Bjorn Tillenius) | 05:51 |
| jamesh | lifeless: okay. I've also got BjornT's TicketTrackerEmailInterface branch to finish reviewing (it is currently on Steve's queue, but I agreed to take it) | 05:54 |
| lifeless | jamesh: sure | 05:59 |
| lifeless | jamesh: it should be trivial though | 06:00 |
| jamesh | lifeless: btw, I put my branch with the newline fixups here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/pqm-newlines/ | 06:10 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I had a bit of trouble working out how to fit a test for this into the existing test framework, so there is no explicit test for the newline handling of test suite output | 06:12 |
| lifeless | I would create a script which will run a precommit command that fails | 06:14 |
| lifeless | in the unittest tests | 06:14 |
| lifeless | that is | 06:14 |
| lifeless | jamesh: actually | 06:42 |
| lifeless | jamesh: I would break it into two | 06:43 |
| lifeless | a test that a formatting function does the right thing with sample 'output from a script' | 06:43 |
| lifeless | and a test that a failing script calls the formatting method (by using a failing script and checking its called) | 06:43 |
| jamesh | lifeless: well, the formatting function (gather_output) is now just a ''.join(output) call | 06:45 |
| jamesh | lifeless: the rest of the changes were to normalise the items added to the output list to end in newlines where appropriate | 06:45 |
| jamesh | previously gather_output was effectively '\n'.join(output) | 06:45 |
| lifeless | sure | 06:47 |
| lifeless | not critiquing your work, just saying how I would test it | 06:47 |
| jamesh | I also altered the test for catching bzr conflicts a bit | 06:50 |
| jamesh | since it was failing with current bzr | 06:50 |
| jamesh | bzrlib seemed to have trouble listing conflicts for ID-only conflicts | 06:51 |
| jamesh | the test tried to merge two branches that had both added a file called README | 06:51 |
| jamesh | I changed the test to try and merge two branches that had edited an already existing file called README | 06:51 |
| stub | lifeless: Do you know how long it takes between pqm announcing a new revision being committed and that revision being commited to bellany:~pqm/archives/launchpad ? | 06:57 |
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| jamesh | stub: the ETA was 129 hours earlier today | 06:59 |
| stub | jamesh: That would be to chinstrap - I'm interested in balleny | 07:00 |
| stub | (which is currently up to r3003) | 07:00 |
| jamesh | stub: do you remember what config settings you changed for the launchpad-bugs list to get it to accept LP emails? | 07:08 |
| jamesh | stub: I put what I remembered at the bottom of https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BugzillaImportProcess | 07:08 |
| stub | I appended it to one of the bug reports. You need to add an 'allow' spam filter for bugs.launchpad.net | 07:09 |
| stub | But that involves someone with access to ubuntu-bugs actually making the change :-/ | 07:10 |
| jamesh | judging by http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/desktop-bugs/2006-January/thread.html, it looks like desktop-bugs was just set to unmoderated | 07:13 |
| jamesh | given the rolex spams | 07:13 |
| lifeless | stub: that should be almost no latency, except that I have a lock while I push the archive to chinstrap | 07:16 |
| lifeless | stub: I've stopped the push | 07:17 |
| lifeless | stub: lets see now | 07:17 |
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| lifeless | stub: it should be there | 07:24 |
| lifeless | ring me if needed, doctor visit time | 07:25 |
| stub | np | 07:28 |
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| dooglus | hi. I'm trying to register the irssi bugtracker with malone, but it's a "Flyspray" tracker, which malone doesn't know about. | 09:03 |
| dooglus | http://flyspray.rocks.cc/ -- Flyspray is an uncomplicated, web-based bug tracking system for assisting with software development. | 09:04 |
| stub | launchpad will be going down in just over 5 minutes for its regular update. Estimated down time is 20 mins. | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | dooglus, file a bug, product launchpad | 09:06 |
| dooglus | Burgundavia: ok, thanks | 09:06 |
| dooglus | is it possible to automatically subscribe to any bug I comment on? | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | dooglus, I wish it just did that | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | mpt_, ^ two up, implement this feature | 09:09 |
| dooglus | the 'flyspray' bug is here: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/28738 | 09:14 |
| Ubugtu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugtracker failed: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable | 09:14 |
| dooglus | will launchpad go down every day for its regular update? | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | dooglus, not everyday | 09:15 |
| jamesh | stub: btw, there were a few duplicate bug tracker objects created during the bugzilla import | 09:16 |
| stub | dooglus: It is a weekly update | 09:16 |
| jamesh | stub: I cleaned it up a bit by moving the watches to a single bug tracker, but it left a few empty bugtrackers that would be good to delete | 09:17 |
| stub | ok. We can have a look after the update | 09:17 |
| dooglus | I noticed that gnome is listed twice in the bugtrackers | 09:20 |
| dooglus | what does the update update? | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | dooglus, the production version of launchpad, from the testing version | 09:22 |
| jamesh | dooglus: that's what I was just talking to stub about | 09:22 |
| jamesh | dooglus: when migrating bugs from bugzilla, we created watches on external trackers where appropriate | 09:22 |
| jamesh | dooglus: while most of the references to upstream Gnome bugs used the correct http://bugzilla.gnome.org hostname, some used theincorrect http://bugs.gnome.org URLs | 09:23 |
| sivang | morning all | 09:50 |
| dooglus | hrm. now I see: DatabaseException | 09:55 |
| dooglus | A server error occurred. | 09:55 |
| dooglus | should I report it? | 09:56 |
| stub | dooglus: Sorry about that - final stages of the upgrade. Should all be fine now. | 10:10 |
| dooglus | also, when it came back up again, the first few pages it generated for me said "I'll be going down very very soon"... | 10:11 |
| dooglus | I also have a problem with the page layout: http://librarian.launchpad.net/1518542/Screenshot-3.png | 10:11 |
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| jamesh | stub: the bug trackers that should be deleted are "auto-bugs.gnome.org" and "auto-bugzilla.abiword.com" | 10:14 |
| stub | jamesh: Nuked | 10:34 |
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| lifeless | jamesh: so, any chance to peek at that review ? (I'm keen, I know) | 10:44 |
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| Kinnison | lifeless: what's the situation on pqm pushing changes to chinstrap? | 11:50 |
| Kinnison | lifeless: in particular the built tree? | 11:50 |
| lifeless | Kinnison: its pushing at the moment | 11:50 |
| lifeless | Kinnison: it had a stale lock, then when it was pushing to fix it got killed giving it another stale lock | 11:50 |
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| Kinnison | lifeless: yum | 11:51 |
| lifeless | so, in another 80 odd hours it will have pushed all the backlog | 11:51 |
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| Kinnison | urgh | 11:52 |
| Kinnison | lifeless: how come sftp over a gigabit lan is still so goddamn slow? | 11:52 |
| lifeless | haven't we had this discussion ? | 11:53 |
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| Kinnison | I don't remember why, if at all, you said we're not using bzrtools/rsync-push though | 11:53 |
| lifeless | rsync does not lock | 11:54 |
| lifeless | our branches are multi user | 11:54 |
| lifeless | nuff said | 11:54 |
| Kinnison | righty, yep | 11:54 |
| stub | They are multi user? If that is many readers/single writer that could be fixed by rsyncing to temporary chinstrap and then localfs pushing to the final location (?) | 11:56 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> then we would need to run bzr in ssh on chinstrap | 12:00 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> thats getting awfully complex | 12:00 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> compared to just fixing the root cause. | 12:00 |
| lifeless | 08:07 < lifeless> and time spent on that is time not spent on the root cause. | 12:00 |
| ddaa | hey lifeless | 12:01 |
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| lifeless | stub: its been out since before thursday | 12:03 |
| lifeless | and in fact, local disk would not be all that much faster | 12:03 |
| stub | I've pushed head a few times to /tmp on chinstrap. An rsync could be a good idea as a temporary solution. | 12:03 |
| lifeless | I'm stracing the process, and the link is largely idly | 12:03 |
| lifeless | *idle* | 12:03 |
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| daf | mpt_: yo | 12:09 |
| Kinnison | lifeless: urgh, so it's mostly diddling weaves? | 12:11 |
| lifeless | Kinnison: unpacking inventories | 12:12 |
| lifeless | although this is interesting: | 12:12 |
| lifeless | pqm@chinstrap:~$ cat sftp-strace | uniq | wc -l | 12:12 |
| lifeless | 3454 | 12:12 |
| lifeless | pqm@chinstrap:~$ cat sftp-strace | wc -l | 12:12 |
| lifeless | 3518 | 12:12 |
| lifeless | I suspected there was some duplicate effort, and now I have some proof ;) | 12:12 |
| lifeless | or not | 12:13 |
| lifeless | bah | 12:13 |
| lifeless | just new lines being written. | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | hehe | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | silly lifeless | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | One problem with stracing python is that the gc often means that the "same" operation looks different on a plain "uniq" | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | also, try sort sftp-strace | uniq | wc -l | 12:13 |
| Kinnison | rather than cat | 12:14 |
| lifeless | oh, right | 12:14 |
| lifeless | this is stracing the sftp server btw | 12:14 |
| lifeless | not python | 12:14 |
| lifeless | python is the other strace | 12:14 |
| lifeless | voila | 12:15 |
| lifeless | there is duplicate work. | 12:15 |
| lifeless | cat sftp-strace | sort | uniq -d | wc -l | 12:15 |
| lifeless | 1470 | 12:15 |
| Kinnison | lifeless: is this using jamesh's sftp-using-openssh stuff? | 12:19 |
| lifeless | dunno, would not expect that to matter | 12:20 |
| Kinnison | probably not, just wondered | 12:20 |
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| daf | hi salgado | 12:21 |
| salgado | hey daf | 12:22 |
| daf | is it you who's looking after shipit? | 12:22 |
| salgado | yep | 12:22 |
| daf | I found some weirdness in shipit-reports.pt | 12:22 |
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| daf | near the bottom, there's some broken HTML | 12:23 |
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| matsubara | good morning! | 12:23 |
| salgado | hmmm. /me checks | 12:23 |
| salgado | daf, where's it exactly? | 12:24 |
| daf | lines 39-46 | 12:25 |
| daf | there's no start to that table | 12:25 |
| daf | oh, wait | 12:25 |
| salgado | line 11 | 12:25 |
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| daf | yeah, I see it now | 12:26 |
| daf | it's just a missing </tbody> tag | 12:26 |
| daf | fixed | 12:26 |
| salgado | all shipit pages have that table because of the ubuntu css files we have to use | 12:26 |
| salgado | the </tbody> might be missing in other shipit pages too | 12:26 |
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| lifeless | night all | 12:29 |
| Kinnison | night lifeless | 12:29 |
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| === daf hugs bzr shelve | ||
| Kinnison | shelve is good, but I also miss baz undo/redo | 01:02 |
| daf | yeah | 01:02 |
| daf | I miss being able to shelve renames | 01:03 |
| daf | but I just did a hunk-by-hunk review of 123 changes to 77 files that would have taken me much longer with baz | 01:03 |
| Kinnison | heh | 01:04 |
| daf | I also miss your cake | 01:04 |
| Kinnison | So you used it as a diff hunk browser? | 01:04 |
| Kinnison | daf: aah, one little bite and anyone is hooked | 01:04 |
| daf | well, I just made a lot of changes | 01:04 |
| Kinnison | daf: If you like, I can assist you in the preparation of another cake | 01:04 |
| daf | some of which I'm confident in, others not | 01:04 |
| daf | I want to commit the safe ones now, and keep the rest for later | 01:05 |
| daf | where's the recipe? | 01:05 |
| daf | I suppose one advantage of this kind of cake is that you can take as long as you like in making it | 01:06 |
| daf | I think most of the intermediate stages are quite stable | 01:06 |
| kiko | man | 01:09 |
| kiko | 3 days with no head | 01:09 |
| kiko | wtf | 01:09 |
| Kinnison | kiko: you must have been bursting | 01:10 |
| Kinnison | oh, you mean source code | 01:10 |
| kiko | I mean having a small heart attack | 01:10 |
| Kinnison | daf: Well, there's one intermediate stage which is stable | 01:10 |
| daf | *snort* | 01:10 |
| Kinnison | daf: then there's the "cake is baked, can I resist eating it" stage | 01:10 |
| Kinnison | which I don't define as stable 'cos I'm greedy | 01:10 |
| daf | :) | 01:10 |
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| daf | I was thinking in terms of making the almond paste and boozed fruits separately | 01:16 |
| daf | then again, impatience will have its part to play | 01:16 |
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| kiko | something about bullets | 01:16 |
| daf | you can count on Ian not to mince words | 01:18 |
| kiko | daf, can you check if http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ works for you? | 01:27 |
| daf | works in what sense? | 01:28 |
| daf | I get a login page | 01:28 |
| kiko | log in and view order request form | 01:28 |
| daf | I see the form | 01:29 |
| kiko | thanks. | 01:29 |
| daf | browser was complaining about some parts being loaded over an insecure connection | 01:29 |
| daf | which is annoying | 01:29 |
| kiko | stupid lack of certificate and the ubuntu css we use | 01:30 |
| kiko | salgado, can we just not make a copy of the ubuntu css and put it in as shipit.css instead of referring to it? | 01:30 |
| daf | having validate certificates for user-facing sites would be nice | 01:30 |
| daf | I don't really care about wiki.canonical.com and such, but I'm sure having to view a certificate warning when visiting launchpad.net is off-putting | 01:31 |
| kiko | well | 01:35 |
| kiko | launchpad.net itself has a cert | 01:35 |
| kiko | www.launchpad.net doesn't however | 01:35 |
| daf | ! | 01:35 |
| kiko | valid cert anyway | 01:35 |
| kiko | you know that it requires having two IPs right? | 01:35 |
| daf | oh, right | 01:35 |
| daf | SSL fuckage | 01:35 |
| kiko | yes, let's drink to fuck | 01:36 |
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| ddaa | kiko... man... | 01:50 |
| kiko | hey ddaa | 01:50 |
| kiko | what did I do now? | 01:50 |
| ddaa | you are answering mails 5 weeks old, with only minimal context... | 01:50 |
| kiko | really? | 01:50 |
| kiko | which one in particular? | 01:51 |
| kiko | I did some cleaning out of my email yesterday | 01:51 |
| ddaa | I'll come around answering your message on the "Add branch action link" thread when I read the launchpad mailing list, I'll have more context then. | 01:51 |
| kiko | so you may have gotten some of that | 01:51 |
| ddaa | I'm doing the inbox now, and that's a bit off-putting :) | 01:51 |
| ddaa | kiko... I guess you did NOT mean bug 959 | 01:53 |
| Ubugtu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group' | 01:53 |
| ddaa | which is an inkscape bug... | 01:53 |
| kiko | 929 | 01:53 |
| ddaa | Oh right, I see. | 01:54 |
| ddaa | My position is that one should be WONTFIX. | 01:54 |
| ddaa | As I explained in the last comment. | 01:55 |
| daf | looks like Ubugtu is buggy | 01:55 |
| kiko | I think it needs to be fixed | 01:55 |
| ddaa | kiko: the _only_ sane way to fix it is using <wbr>. | 01:55 |
| kiko | and given your suggestion is getting rid of the RHS portlets.. | 01:55 |
| ddaa | and that's only sane if you accept using invalid html. | 01:56 |
| ddaa | and even then, that can only be an half-assed fix that will require pervasive changes. | 01:56 |
| kiko | why will it require pervasive changes? | 01:57 |
| ddaa | because it will need support in anything that can display user input | 01:58 |
| kiko | putting it in DPoT is enough | 01:58 |
| ddaa | ? | 01:58 |
| ddaa | DPoT: ENOENT | 01:59 |
| kiko | welcome to launchpad | 01:59 |
| daf | Displaying Paragraphs of Text | 01:59 |
| ddaa | Yeah, so breaking will happen at random places... | 01:59 |
| daf | making that support zero-width breaking spaces would help | 02:00 |
| ddaa | !!!! | 02:00 |
| ddaa | DUH DON'T! | 02:00 |
| daf | last I checked though, browser support was poor | 02:00 |
| ddaa | anyway it's WRONG | 02:00 |
| daf | why? | 02:00 |
| ddaa | Because it breaks copy-pasting | 02:00 |
| kiko | I remove myself from this conversation | 02:00 |
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| daf | hmm, I'd want the browser to strip them when copying | 02:01 |
| daf | I don't get <b> tags when I copy bold text | 02:01 |
| ddaa | I've seen sabdfl copy-pasting an URL that was using zero-width space for line breaking. | 02:01 |
| daf | iz browser bug | 02:01 |
| ddaa | Because <b> is a tag. not a character. And besides you should get it if you paste to a word processor. | 02:01 |
| daf | whatever, <wbr> | 02:01 |
| daf | is that an IE extension? | 02:02 |
| ddaa | Ha, right. That's less wrong because browser bugs mean it will NOT be copy-pasted. But it's not valid HTML, and anyway I would not like my urls to get arbitrary broken in the middle of words. | 02:03 |
| ddaa | Whatever, you guys do whatever you think is best. I have made my opinion clear on that matter. | 02:03 |
| daf | well, if zwbs worked well in browsers, I'd advocate it | 02:04 |
| ddaa | copy-pasing zwbs is _correct_ behaviour | 02:04 |
| ddaa | stuffing it at random places in user data is what is usually called data corruption | 02:05 |
| daf | ok | 02:06 |
| daf | <wbr/> would seem the way to go if it was standard | 02:07 |
| sivang | what's the quickets way to file a bug on malone from hitting launchpad.net ? | 02:07 |
| kiko | sivang, navigate products or distros? | 02:07 |
| daf | I rely on the fact that https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+filebug is in my often-used-URL list | 02:07 |
| sivang | daf: I need to book mark that, everytime I hit the main page it takes me some minutes of orientation :) | 02:08 |
| sivang | kiko: yes, and then search for malone | 02:08 |
| sivang | btw, when searchign for malone I also got https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad , is that used for anythying? | 02:08 |
| daf | yes, that's where most LP bugs are filed | 02:09 |
| kiko | sivang, that's used for lots | 02:09 |
| sivang | kiko: for launchpad wide stuff and not launchpad/$COMPONENT stuff? | 02:09 |
| sivang | like as in infra, utilities, etc | 02:09 |
| ddaa | daf: I think wbr would be acceptable if it was standard and defined as being a display-only hint. | 02:09 |
| daf | indeed | 02:10 |
| daf | removing the right hand column is only a partial solution | 02:10 |
| daf | you can still get lines which require side-scrolling | 02:10 |
| daf | side-scrolling is evil | 02:10 |
| ddaa | but in the current state of affair, I think it's best to just let long urls run past the left end of the window, anyway, I do not think you like getting 5 lines of goo in the middle of paragraph of text just because somebody pasted a bugzilla url. | 02:11 |
| daf | another option is to turn http/foo.com/bar into a link with abbreviated text | 02:12 |
| ddaa | Yes, it's evil, but I do not think that if a string would require side-scrolling, you actually want to read it. | 02:12 |
| ddaa | That the basic idea. If a word is too long to fit in the window, it's too long for a human to read anyway. | 02:12 |
| daf | I think long URLs are the most common case of long lines | 02:12 |
| ddaa | Do you actually _read_ long URLs? | 02:12 |
| daf | no | 02:13 |
| daf | but if there's a list of them, I might compare the ends | 02:13 |
| daf | or rather, compare them | 02:13 |
| kiko | I think we need to be more practical if we are going to move anywhere | 02:13 |
| ddaa | in which case it is easier to do? | 02:14 |
| daf | well, URLs contain useful information sometimes | 02:14 |
| ddaa | if they are wrapped of if they are aligned, each on a line? | 02:14 |
| daf | kiko: I vote for abbreviating URLs in link text as the next step | 02:14 |
| kiko | copying and pasting the text of the URL is a use case I'm willing to drop | 02:14 |
| kiko | right-click or G (in lynx) for the original link | 02:14 |
| ddaa | kiko: I really want to display URLs in the branch page. | 02:15 |
| kiko | ddaa, you will be able to -- wrapped or abbreviated. | 02:15 |
| daf | I don't see any comment from mpt on 929 | 02:15 |
| daf | or any discussion about the possibility of using the overflow property | 02:16 |
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| ddaa | we'll see if I can hold it. | 02:16 |
| daf | kiko: let's ping mpt on it | 02:17 |
| kiko | sure | 02:17 |
| daf | we have a few options, he's probably best at picking the least bad | 02:17 |
| sivang | there, https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/28768 | 02:19 |
| Ubugtu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'group' | 02:19 |
| sivang | now I wonder if there's a quick way to fle a bug against bzrtools upstream, without following the package | 02:20 |
| ddaa | sivang: tell abentley in #bzr :) | 02:23 |
| sivang | ddaa: heh | 02:23 |
| ddaa | besides, there does not seem to be a bzrtools product in launchpad. | 02:24 |
| sivang | ddaa: yes, seems so, do you think there should be ? or should we tell him to add the branch under https://launchpad.net/products/bzr ? | 02:24 |
| ddaa | Whatever you think is best. Probably ask abentley, he's upstream after all. Maybe he would be interested in having a separate bug tracker and stuff. | 02:25 |
| ddaa | If upstream is not interested in having a launchpad project, it's probably best to put the branches in the bzr product. | 02:25 |
| sivang | ah, bzrtools is not canonical related? | 02:25 |
| LarstiQ | policy until now has been, bzrtools bugs to the mailinglist, afaik | 02:26 |
| LarstiQ | sivang: correct | 02:26 |
| ddaa | No, it's entirely community contributed. | 02:26 |
| sivang | s/bzrtools/abently/ | 02:26 |
| LarstiQ | sivang: but ask abently | 02:26 |
| sivang | bah... I give up :-) | 02:26 |
| ddaa | well... he was actually proposed a position here, like, many times | 02:26 |
| sivang | too far for me for now | 02:26 |
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| ddaa | but he likes it where he is now, so though luck :) | 02:27 |
| sivang | I see :) sometimes we just need to make the best out of what we have | 02:27 |
| LarstiQ | sivang: yeah, I feel sorry for you that you only have ddaa | 02:27 |
| === LarstiQ ducks | ||
| ddaa | LarstiQ: actually, no, they have mpool, and lifeless, and jblack | 02:28 |
| ddaa | I'm not actually a significant bzr dev. | 02:28 |
| ddaa | I just try to convince people to implement the stuff I would like :) | 02:28 |
| ddaa | and I hang around the bzr guys at conferences, trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about. | 02:29 |
| LarstiQ | haha :) | 02:29 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: a far better response than biting, thank you :) | 02:29 |
| daf | is pqm wedged -- it's got 6 things in the queue and the last merge was 9 hours ago | 02:29 |
| LarstiQ | ddaa: I rather appreciate your comments though | 02:30 |
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| ddaa | it's easy | 02:34 |
| ddaa | you just need to learn how to make gnome packages in your sleep | 02:34 |
| LarstiQ | heh | 02:35 |
| ddaa | (that was re: sivang is now known as seb64-wannabe) | 02:35 |
| daf | elmo: can you kick pqm? | 02:35 |
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| ddaa | mh... according to jblack, the gplv3 draft no longer has any obnoxious web service clause... | 03:00 |
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| kiko-afk | daf, elmo: are you sure pqm is hung? | 03:07 |
| kiko-afk | lifeless scorched me yesterday because what's happening is probably bzr push taking 90 hours (no joke) | 03:07 |
| daf | !!! | 03:09 |
| ddaa | zat's better than 90 days, as for importd2bzr... | 03:09 |
| ddaa | (please ignore this, just venting) | 03:09 |
| daf | is the fact that rsyncing something to chinstrap is taking forever? | 03:09 |
| daf | efnewkjfn | 03:10 |
| daf | is the fact that rsyncing something to chinstrap is taking forever related? | 03:10 |
| bradb | pqm will need serious optimization to reach the point of being unusably slow | 03:10 |
| ddaa | bradb: do you really mean that? What is it now? | 03:10 |
| bradb | ddaa: Yeah, I most certainly mean that. ;) | 03:10 |
| kiko | daf, it might be. don't touch pqm for the next 90 hours | 03:10 |
| bradb | ddaa: I think kiko and daf have some idea of what I mean ;) | 03:11 |
| daf | this is plain rsync, not bzr push | 03:11 |
| bradb | daf: the mirroring is still done with sftp isn't it? | 03:11 |
| spiv | daf: according to "vmstat 1" on chinstrap, there's a lot of IO happening, but I suspect that's due to check-pending-reviews.py | 03:12 |
| daf | aha | 03:12 |
| spiv | bradb: yeah, it is. | 03:12 |
| daf | it's an ssh bug | 03:12 |
| daf | I think | 03:12 |
| daf | I'm using ControlMaster auto and I had an existing ssh to chinstrap which was suspended | 03:13 |
| daf | killing that made rsync work again | 03:13 |
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| ddaa | daf: I tried using ssh session muxing at a point for importd | 03:58 |
| ddaa | daf: the conclusion of the test was "it just does not work" | 03:58 |
| daf | I had problems with it | 03:59 |
| ddaa | IIRC there was a fd leak or something that just caused all new connections to fail past a certain point, but apparently that was only caused by the specific loads applied by baz. | 03:59 |
| daf | upgrading to dapper ssh helped | 03:59 |
| ddaa | I guess they have fixed some things. | 03:59 |
| daf | then I got very confused because it stopped port forwardings working | 03:59 |
| daf | then my rsync broke | 03:59 |
| daf | now I'm thinking it's not worth the trouble | 03:59 |
| ddaa | *nod* I'll check it again in a couple of years, when the *bsd folks had the time to squash the bugs | 04:00 |
| salgado | BjornT, around? | 04:01 |
| ddaa | they just spoiled us with openssh, now are just disappointed if ssh is not 99.9999999999 reliable | 04:01 |
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| Panda^ | hi everyone | 04:38 |
| Panda^ | is there someone of the launchpad's technical stuff? I've a problem loggin in... | 04:39 |
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| carlos | Panda^, go ahead and if we can help, we will help you | 04:51 |
| Panda^ | carlos, tnx. I can't rember my account's password... but the email address that I used to create my account no longer exists... | 04:56 |
| carlos | hmm, Panda^ what's your account's name? | 04:57 |
| Panda^ | I registered another new account, but I can't merge it with the old because it ask for the old password that I can't remember | 04:58 |
| Panda^ | giampaolo@openmagazine.it | 04:59 |
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| Panda^ | carlos, giampaolo@openmagazine.it is the one I don't remeber the password | 04:59 |
| Kinnison | that one only has a single email address registered with it | 05:00 |
| Panda^ | yes | 05:00 |
| carlos | Panda^, and the new email is giampaolo.bozzali@gmail.com ? | 05:00 |
| Panda^ | carlos, exactly | 05:00 |
| Kinnison | openmagazine.it's MX accepts mail for giampaolo@openmagazine.it | 05:00 |
| Kinnison | Can't you convince them to forward the address to you temporarily? | 05:01 |
| Panda^ | no, i can't | 05:01 |
| carlos | salgado-lunch, Kinnison aren't we allowed to force accounts merge as admins? | 05:02 |
| Kinnison | I don't think we can do that per-se | 05:02 |
| Panda^ | I can't receive any email from openmagazine account | 05:02 |
| Kinnison | What's your new account name? | 05:03 |
| Panda^ | the new is: giampaolo.bozzali@gmail.com | 05:03 |
| daf | kiko: do you remember which bug crashed on context/status/title (context.status == None)? | 05:05 |
| Kinnison | Hmm, I can find nothing on the old account which can match to the new one apart from public name information | 05:06 |
| Kinnison | and I wouldn't trust that per-se | 05:06 |
| bradb | daf: That sounds like something that would have happened before stub did the status data migration. It would have happened with a Rejected bug. | 05:06 |
| Kinnison | I don't think I have the right to make a policy decision on sorting this out | 05:07 |
| Kinnison | Panda^: I can think of various ways to help you out but I don't feel I have the right to do it without checking with someone else first | 05:07 |
| daf | bradb: this is for binary packages, not bugs | 05:07 |
| bradb | oh | 05:07 |
| daf | haha, found it: bug 5390 | 05:08 |
| daf | I filed it myself | 05:08 |
| daf | (google site:launchpad.net wins) | 05:08 |
| bradb | indeed | 05:08 |
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| carlos | Kinnison, I think the easier solution, if we have permissions as admins is to mail both accounts | 05:11 |
| Kinnison | carlos: we can't mail one of them | 05:12 |
| Kinnison | carlos: because the only registered address is no longer functional | 05:12 |
| Panda^^ | as admins you can't change an account's password? | 05:14 |
| Kinnison | Even if I can, I can't directly trust that you are who you say you are | 05:14 |
| Kinnison | since there's no useful personal data on the obsolete account | 05:14 |
| Kinnison | hence I said that I don't feel I have the right to make a policy decision on this | 05:14 |
| Kinnison | Do you see that I have no way of being sure that you *are* the person who registered the original account? | 05:15 |
| Panda^^ | of course | 05:16 |
| Kinnison | I'm sorry to be so hard-lined about this, but imagine how much trouble we'd be in if you were trying to trick us | 05:16 |
| === Kinnison continues to try and find a useful way to prove who you are | ||
| === Kinnison needs a zero-knowledge protocol here | ||
| === Kinnison ponders | ||
| Kinnison | carlos: Do we have a way of seeing when someone last logged into launchpad? | 05:17 |
| Panda^^ | Kinnison, I understand perfectly... | 05:18 |
| Kinnison | Panda^: Do you know when you last did anything with the old account? | 05:18 |
| Panda^^ | Kinnison, I don't remember exactly... surely 3 o 4 months ago | 05:18 |
| carlos | Kinnison, Hmm, I think we have that stored in our database, but I'm not sure | 05:19 |
| === Kinnison sees activity on the account from the 24th November last year | ||
| carlos | Translation Suggestion 2005-11-24 | 05:19 |
| carlos | yeah | 05:19 |
| carlos | that's what I was looking at | 05:20 |
| === Kinnison nods | ||
| Kinnison | that's two months ago | 05:20 |
| Kinnison | Panda^^: what were you translating? | 05:20 |
| Panda^^ | gdesklets | 05:20 |
| Kinnison | true enough | 05:20 |
| Panda^^ | tnx | 05:21 |
| === Kinnison tries to find one more bit of info to use for authentication | ||
| Kinnison | You never signed a CoC, never supplied a key for ssh or gpg | 05:22 |
| Kinnison | No hackergotchi, no info | 05:22 |
| kjcole | Ubugtu help | 05:23 |
| Kinnison | No hints of you in the wiki | 05:23 |
| Panda^^ | yes, because I never had much time to spend... but in thoose days I would like to translate something | 05:23 |
| Kinnison | urgh | 05:23 |
| Kinnison | Okay, I think there's little to lose by allowing the merge | 05:23 |
| Kinnison | Now, I need an email address for you, which isn't one you already used in launchpad | 05:24 |
| Panda^^ | Kinnison, few minutes ago I registered a new account with giampaolo.bozzali@gmail.com | 05:24 |
| Kinnison | Yeah, that's used now | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | do you have any other email addresses? | 05:25 |
| Panda^^ | no | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | okay, one sec | 05:25 |
| Kinnison | I've sent you an email, please do what it says | 05:26 |
| Panda^^ | ok | 05:27 |
| Kinnison | If you're not a registered IRC user, then instead of /msg, do it here in-channel | 05:28 |
| kiko | daf, no. | 05:30 |
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| kiko | my god | 05:32 |
| Kinnison | Okay, looks like it's a bug in our protocols | 05:34 |
| Kinnison | namely we have no contingency for when a user loses their password and control of their only registered email address at one time | 05:34 |
| kiko | Kinnison, known problem, just mail stub. | 05:34 |
| Kinnison | kiko: Right | 05:35 |
| Kinnison | Panda^^: Will you please email stuart.bishop@canonical.com with all the details of your two accounts and which you want to keep etc? | 05:35 |
| Panda^^ | ok | 05:35 |
| Kinnison | Carry on with your new account for now | 05:35 |
| Kinnison | and hopefully Stuart can sort it out | 05:35 |
| Kinnison | He's our database manager | 05:35 |
| Panda^^ | ok | 05:36 |
| Panda^^ | I'll do soon | 05:36 |
| Panda^^ | thanks anyway for your time! | 05:36 |
| Kinnison | No problem | 05:36 |
| Kinnison | kiko: is there a bug about this already? | 05:36 |
| kiko | I believe so | 05:36 |
| BjornT_ | hi salgado, i'm around now | 05:38 |
| Kinnison | Panda^^: subscribe to bug 1281 if you want to know when it gets fixed | 05:38 |
| Panda^^ | Kinnison, ok | 05:39 |
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| salgado | hi BjornT_, I remember seeing you discussing a problem with the enumvalue namespace in tales. is it a known problem that it doesn't work? | 05:43 |
| Panda^ | Kinnison, sorry... can you tell again the bug number? | 05:43 |
| Kinnison | 1281 | 05:43 |
| Panda^ | tnx | 05:43 |
| BjornT | salgado: yes, bug 5768 | 05:45 |
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| salgado | BjornT, right, I thought that simply adding a "<class class="canonical.lp.dbschema.MirrorContent">\n <allow attributes="name title description items" />\n </class>" in lp/configure.zcml would solve it, but it didn't | 05:48 |
| salgado | BjornT, if it's a quick fix I'd like to fix it now, but if it's more involved I'd prefer to not spend time on it now, as I have other priorities. what do you think? | 05:49 |
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| daf | kiko: no what? | 05:58 |
| kiko | daf, I didn't remember. :) | 05:58 |
| BjornT | salgado: hmm, that should have worked. that probably means that it's not an easy fix. i tried it as well, and couldn't get it to work. | 06:04 |
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| kiko | matsubara, did you notice that stub closed bug 5573? | 07:19 |
| matsubara | kiko: yep, it's on pqm's queue. | 07:22 |
| matsubara | kiko: anyway, I had 2 bugs fixed with that patch. I'll remove the 5573 fixes and commit again. | 07:24 |
| kiko | matsubara, did he use your patch? or what? | 07:24 |
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| matsubara | kiko: nope, I'm reading his patch now. He did a completely new patch | 07:26 |
| kiko | matsubara, and how does it work? | 07:27 |
| matsubara | kiko: he added the sftp to the valid_webref arguments, did lots of new tests, and changed the db constraint to check the scheme returned by the urlparse() | 07:30 |
| kiko | is it similar to what you did? | 07:32 |
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| Kinnison | ciau lunchpadders | 07:33 |
| matsubara | kiko: a little bit different, and he has lots of tests, which I don't. | 07:33 |
| kiko | Kinnison, ahm | 07:33 |
| kiko | can I talk to you before you go? | 07:34 |
| Kinnison | kiko: if it'll take < 2 minutes, My dinner is almost cooked | 07:34 |
| kiko | Kinnison, you are in charge of one of the remaining parts of soyuz testing | 07:34 |
| kiko | Kinnison, and I think you might as well find out what it is so you can suffer over it in due course | 07:34 |
| kiko | dinner or not | 07:34 |
| Kinnison | heh, you make it sound like a chore, rather than the joy that it will surely be | 07:35 |
| Kinnison | go ahead | 07:35 |
| kiko | matsubara, salgado: don't tell me. let me guess. 90 hours ETA to mirror to chinstrap? | 07:35 |
| kiko | Kinnison, so mark would like us to run a dapper-mirror based on gina source-only uploads for dapper. | 07:36 |
| Kinnison | kiko: go on | 07:36 |
| mdke | how is the launchpad, bug-mailing-list situation being resolved? | 07:36 |
| kiko | I won't have time to do it, and neither with cprov with the current set of tasks -- we have the full-dapper test to do. | 07:36 |
| kiko | Kinnison, so you have been picked out as the man to coordinate and get it done. | 07:37 |
| kiko | it shouldn't be difficult | 07:37 |
| === Kinnison nods | ||
| Kinnison | seems fairly sane | 07:37 |
| kiko | but I don't know how the buildd situation will be | 07:37 |
| kiko | and you only have threeish days | 07:37 |
| Kinnison | Right | 07:37 |
| Kinnison | Are we doing this on staging or dogfood? | 07:38 |
| kiko | Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:04:47 +0000 | 07:38 |
| kiko | that's the email, from Mark, you are looking for | 07:38 |
| Kinnison | urgh, evo is currently sat thrashing | 07:38 |
| kiko | it will require: one buildd. mirroring uploads to staging. publishing. | 07:38 |
| === Kinnison nods | ||
| kiko | and you can't use dogfood (or its builders I imagine) | 07:38 |
| Kinnison | can you mail me to remind me? | 07:38 |
| cprov | Kinnison: DF will be busy on dapper building, so the 3 builders we have | 07:39 |
| Kinnison | that way I'll have it marked 'new' in my inbox | 07:39 |
| kiko | nope | 07:39 |
| kiko | it's your task | 07:39 |
| kiko | good luck! | 07:39 |
| kiko | you won't have anything else to worry about for the next set of days | 07:39 |
| kiko | so save your inbox as inbox-pending-soyuz | 07:39 |
| kiko | and then the emptiness in it will fill your heart with the soyuz release vibe | 07:39 |
| === Kinnison nods | ||
| === Kinnison has to go now | ||
| Kinnison | I'll get right on this starting tomorrow first thing | 07:40 |
| mdke | if possible, i'd like to add the ubuntu-doc mailing list as default QA for ubuntu-docs bugs, but I'm not sure if it will be possible, will that work? | 07:40 |
| Kinnison | ciau all | 07:42 |
| kiko | thanks Kinnison | 07:42 |
| kiko | mdke, I can help you, but let me talk to cprov first, bbias | 07:42 |
| bradb | Given an IBinaryPackageName and an IDistribution, what's the easiest way to get the IDistributionSourcePackage? (Assuming a binary package's name is the same across all arch's, which is reasonable, AIUI.) | 07:43 |
| mdke | kiko, sure, thanks. Doesn't need to be done immediately | 07:43 |
| kiko | bradb, it is not simple, though you can get the latest information. | 07:44 |
| bradb | Is there an example somewhere? | 07:44 |
| kiko | bradb, you need to look at the publishing tables and figure out what was the latest binary package with that name published in the distribution, then look up its build | 07:44 |
| === bradb noticed the binary package page contains no reference to the source package, and now I can see why ;) | ||
| kiko | binarypackagerelease actually has a distributionsourcepackagerelease method | 07:45 |
| bradb | Yeah, many steps to getting there though, it seems. | 07:45 |
| bradb | i.e., even BPR | 07:45 |
| kiko | so it's a matter of looking for publishing records for that binary package name | 07:45 |
| bradb | Okay, that makes sense, I'll try it. | 07:46 |
| kiko | it will help if you understand how secure*publishing work | 07:47 |
| kiko | they are not difficult -- basically logs of what was published with statuses | 07:47 |
| \sh | kiko: what was the result of the discussion with nkour and the gajim lp page? | 07:47 |
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| kiko | carlos, how's it going? | 07:56 |
| kiko | \sh, I chose to ignore the subject completely. :) | 07:56 |
| kiko | \sh, honestly, here's my assessment of the problem | 07:56 |
| kiko | a) we don't currently do very well in using the "official/not official" status for upstreams. We're going to start working on that -- BjornT is working on some bugwatch features that may tie in to that. | 07:57 |
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| kiko | b) in the meantime we can use the text in the upstream page to make a clear statement of "not using launchpad for bugs or translations". I can reassign the project to you if you like. | 07:57 |
| kiko | c) malone (and launchpad in general) need to grow a way to better describe the upstream/package split. so far none of the solutions proposed have held their ground though | 07:58 |
| kiko | hey carlos? | 07:58 |
| \sh | kiko: well..I don't mind...if nkour is ok with it, then do it. | 07:58 |
| kiko | \sh, what's your launchpad username? | 07:59 |
| carlos | kiko, hi | 07:59 |
| kiko | how's it going man? | 07:59 |
| \sh | kiko: shermann | 07:59 |
| carlos | kiko, Fine, thanks | 07:59 |
| kiko | carlos, wanna chat a bit on the phone? | 07:59 |
| carlos | kiko, Can we do that later? | 07:59 |
| carlos | I need to go out in 10 minutes | 08:00 |
| kiko | carlos, you tell me what time | 08:00 |
| carlos | will be back in two hours | 08:00 |
| carlos | 21:00 UTC | 08:00 |
| kiko | sounds good. | 08:00 |
| carlos | two hours from now | 08:00 |
| kiko | you ping me | 08:00 |
| carlos | kiko, ok | 08:00 |
| kiko | salgado, how's this MM monster looking? | 08:03 |
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| kidem | how long does it take CD to get to the address? | 08:04 |
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| salgado | kiko, I finished working on that file list thing (the one people has to provide for non-Archive mirrors) and added some missing validators. now I started working on the script to probe the mirrors; there's 3 new questions on the spec that need answering. maybe you know the answer... | 08:07 |
| salgado | cprov, it'd be good if you could take a look at these questions too (^^) | 08:08 |
| cprov | salgado: ok | 08:08 |
| kiko | sounds good. | 08:09 |
| kiko | matsubara, dude, bug 28768 is a disgrace | 08:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 28768: ""Search for Products" on the "Welcome to Launchpad" page does nothing." Fix req. for: malone (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/28768 | 08:09 |
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| kiko | pagetest plus ultra | 08:11 |
| kiko | salgado? | 08:16 |
| kiko | here's my take on your questions | 08:16 |
| kiko | I think DM.enabled is what tells us that the mirror is activated. | 08:16 |
| kiko | I think enabled = False means don't probe until an admin (distro owner) resets the flag | 08:17 |
| kiko | I am looking for the code for you | 08:17 |
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| matsubara | kiko: Isn't it a launchpad bug? anyway, just confirmed it and assigned to myself. | 08:18 |
| kiko | matsubara, it is a launchpad bug -- a hideous one. | 08:18 |
| kiko | how can anyone work without a @#@!!@# tip of launchpad | 08:18 |
| kiko | bradb, did stub do a permanent mirror or was it one-shot? | 08:18 |
| bradb | kiko: one-shot | 08:19 |
| bradb | You WISH it were so convenient dude! | 08:19 |
| [1] Ben | hello i just downloaded Ubunutu Flight 3 for x64 and have a problem. | 08:19 |
| kiko | [1] Ben, I suspect you want the #ubuntu channel | 08:19 |
| [1] Ben | ill try that thank you | 08:19 |
| kiko | enjoy | 08:20 |
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| kiko | salgado, elmo is the person who can talk to you about the tool, but I don't think the code is findable, see #canonical | 08:37 |
| salgado | kiko, yeah, I saw that. :-( | 08:38 |
| cprov | salgado: spec fixed | 08:49 |
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| lifeless | well, we have futex lock | 08:52 |
| lifeless | an actual hang of python | 08:52 |
| lifeless | jamesh has a cpu bound process running | 08:53 |
| === kiko looks at lifeless | ||
| lifeless | probably the pending branches script | 08:53 |
| kiko | lifeless, can we set up an rsync mitigation branch somehow? | 08:54 |
| lifeless | kiko: it wont mitigate it to any significant degree | 08:54 |
| lifeless | the amount of IO being done is very low | 08:54 |
| kiko | lifeless, I don't understand. stub made a mirror of a branch and brad was able to merge off it and work | 08:55 |
| kiko | why wouldn't that be enough for the rest of us? | 08:55 |
| lifeless | thats because bzr is very good at mesh behaviours | 08:55 |
| lifeless | wow, this is a strange bt | 08:56 |
| lifeless | #276 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () | 08:56 |
| lifeless | #277 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () | 08:56 |
| lifeless | #278 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () | 08:56 |
| kiko | lifeless? | 08:57 |
| === bradb is willing to accept fairly major risks, if there are any, for an rsync of rf right about now ;) | ||
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| cassidy | hi. Is it possible to track a specific product ? Receive a mail notification on new bug, support request, etc ? | 09:07 |
| bradb | cassidy: It's possible for bugs, with a bit of coordination. | 09:08 |
| bradb | cassidy: In its current design, a product has one bug contact. | 09:09 |
| bradb | cassidy: If that contact were a team to which you belonged, you could get email about the bugs on that product. | 09:09 |
| bradb | If the team had a mailing list email addressed, you'd have to be subscribed to that ML. | 09:10 |
| bradb | Does that help? | 09:10 |
| cassidy | bradb: yes thanks ! Where can i find the bug contact adresse ? | 09:12 |
| bradb | cassidy: /products/$name/+editbugcontact. Eh, that's kind of a bug I should fix. | 09:12 |
| === bradb opens a bug on it not being easy to see who the bug contact is | ||
| cassidy | bradb: the "not allowed" is a bug so i assume ;) | 09:13 |
| bradb | cassidy: Yeah, the UI shouldn't allow you to click links that bring you to "not allowed" pages. | 09:14 |
| bradb | cassidy: Which product are you interested in? | 09:14 |
| cassidy | bradb: xchat-gnome | 09:14 |
| cassidy | should be on the desktop-team | 09:14 |
| bradb | cassidy: When you say product, do you mean a package in a distribution? | 09:15 |
| bradb | Some people mix those terms. The mention of desktop-team made me want to confirm we're talking about the same thing. | 09:16 |
| cassidy | both. Actually x-g is a specific product if i understand well ? | 09:16 |
| bradb | It's a product too, yeah. | 09:16 |
| cassidy | bradb: i'm not yet very familiar with launchpad so yes, there is good chance than i mix those terms ;) | 09:17 |
| cassidy | should also be a package since it's Dapper, doesn'it ? | 09:17 |
| bradb | cassidy: You can sub to the package: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+subscribe | 09:17 |
| cassidy | bradb: great ! thanks a lot | 09:18 |
| bradb | cassidy: No prob. As for the upstream, it looks like https://launchpad.net/people/trowbrds is your contact to talk about setting up contacts. | 09:19 |
| cassidy | bradb: yes, i know him :) | 09:20 |
| bradb | great. Have I given you enough to point him in the right direction for setting things up upstream? | 09:20 |
| cassidy | bradb: what things have to be changed ? | 09:23 |
| kiko | lifeless? | 09:24 |
| bradb | cassidy: Probably 1. add a team with an ML address, 2. set that team to the bug contact: https://launchpad.net/products/xchat-gnome/+editbugcontact | 09:24 |
| dilys | Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial] use re.escape to prevent process-email from crashing. (r3005) | 09:25 |
| lifeless | kiko: ? | 09:25 |
| cassidy | bradb: no problem. i'll tell to him. But why is it needed if we can add yourself on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+subscribe ? | 09:27 |
| kiko | lifeless, I'm still waiting for a mitigation strategy for us having no rocketfuel tip. | 09:27 |
| lifeless | kiko: I dont have one, I'm getting you one as fast as I can | 09:27 |
| kiko | lifeless, what's wrong with rsync, for the Nth time? | 09:28 |
| bradb | cassidy: That may be a design flaw. This feature is fairly new. | 09:29 |
| bradb | cassidy: One line of reasoning might say that a product would tend to map to one ML, that people could subscribe to, whereas a package in a distribution wouldn't, so individual package subscriptions help. | 09:30 |
| lifeless | kiko: I can rsync a bit image over, but that wont make the merge into the archive significantly faster AFAICT and will introduce race conditions as the locks are not mutually exclusive at the moment | 09:31 |
| kiko | lifeless, but at least us, developers, can do a merge from it? | 09:31 |
| lifeless | kiko: isn't there a copy stub pulled across ? | 09:32 |
| kiko | lifeless, it's old already. | 09:32 |
| kiko | it's not being updated | 09:32 |
| kiko | and THAT would be a mitigation strategy if kept up-to-date | 09:32 |
| === kiko doesn't quite understand what the problem is with using rsync | ||
| lifeless | erm, pqm is blocked until the push completes | 09:32 |
| cassidy | bradb: in fact we use gnome bugzilla in upstream, so i think we just care about package related bugs | 09:32 |
| lifeless | that r3005 above has *not* hit the rocketfuel master copy. | 09:32 |
| bradb | cassidy: Ah, yeah, sounds correct. :) | 09:33 |
| lifeless | I'll rsync across a spare copy for you now, *that* I can do. | 09:33 |
| kiko | lifeless, and cron it? | 09:33 |
| lifeless | sure, but if you get corrupt branches merging from it, dont blame me | 09:34 |
| kiko | if you cron over an rsync of a spare copy -- that's a mitigation strategy | 09:34 |
| cassidy | bradb: i just would like receive mail notification when users use Malone to report bug on x-g (so it will be on the package i suppose) | 09:34 |
| lifeless | nor ask me to support them. | 09:34 |
| kiko | lifeless, make it rsync at a known time and mail launchpad-list | 09:34 |
| bradb | cassidy: Yep, subscribing to the package, not the product, is the right option for you. | 09:34 |
| kiko | like once every 2 hours, at the hour and 15 minutes, and we can avoid syncing at that time | 09:34 |
| cassidy | bradb: ok. i'm beginning to understand how it works :) | 09:35 |
| kiko | it sucks, but it sucks less than the competition | 09:35 |
| bradb | cassidy: cool | 09:35 |
| cassidy | bradb: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+subscribe is about package so everything should be fine now ? | 09:35 |
| bradb | cassidy: Yep. | 09:36 |
| cassidy | bradb: great. isn't it possible to subscribe on all package stuff: new version published, support request, ... ? | 09:37 |
| bradb | cassidy: Not yet. | 09:38 |
| bradb | cassidy: We had a specification going on that: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PackageSubscriptions but only the bug bits have been implemented so far. | 09:39 |
| lifeless | kiko: chinstrap:/home/warthogs/archives/temporary-rocketfuel | 09:39 |
| lifeless | kiko: its just the lp branch that is horked. | 09:39 |
| kiko | lifeless, well, that's a relief. | 09:39 |
| cassidy | ok ok. Thanks for for your help bradb | 09:39 |
| kiko | lifeless, can you mail the launchpad list with the sync times as I requested? | 09:39 |
| bradb | cassidy: no prob | 09:39 |
| lifeless | kiko: patience dude I'm typing it up already | 09:39 |
| kiko | rock and roll suicide | 09:40 |
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| mdke | another css problem for you at bug #28824 | 09:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 28824: "css broken on the people page" Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/28824 | 09:44 |
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| Kamion | Can anyone help me (a) update the svn URL for https://launchpad.net/products/net-retriever/+series/main (and two other related products), (b) ensure that the resulting baz branch continues smoothly on (mergeably) despite the changed svn URL? | 09:51 |
| Kamion | (I can't do (a) because I don't have permissions; and (b) might Just Work but I don't know.) | 09:51 |
| kiko | ddaa? | 09:53 |
| kiko | Kamion, I think you had better write to launchpad -- david needs to tell me if it's safe to do and if anything else needs to be done. | 09:53 |
| ddaa | yup? | 09:53 |
| kiko | ah, the man himself | 09:53 |
| kiko | see Kamion's query | 09:53 |
| ddaa | This stuff is usually safe to do. | 09:53 |
| ddaa | The product owner should have the privs to do that IIRC. | 09:54 |
| Kamion | I don't know who the product owner is; as far as I know it's not me, and it's not displayed by Launchpad on the URL above. | 09:54 |
| kiko | well | 09:55 |
| ddaa | It's "Registry administrators" i.e. nobody in particular | 09:55 |
| kiko | is that product yours? | 09:55 |
| ddaa | it's displayed on the product page | 09:55 |
| Kamion | I effectively maintain the package in Ubuntu, though, and am part of the upstream maintenance team | 09:55 |
| ddaa | Registry Administrators are actively looked for sane volunteers to adopt their products. | 09:55 |
| Kamion | Can I mail launchpad with a big list of products I volunteer for, then? | 09:55 |
| ddaa | Kamion: this is net-retriever. Net-retriever, this is Kamion. | 09:56 |
| Kamion | (ideally, we'd make /people/debian-boot a team, and I'd join it ...) | 09:56 |
| ddaa | Kamion: Absolutely, or you can ask any admin (about half the launchpad team) to give them to you on a per-need basis. | 09:56 |
| Kamion | thanks. In that case, if you could do the same for cdrom-retriever and floppy-retriever (per-need ...), I'd appreciate it | 09:56 |
| ddaa | kiko seems idle, I guess he would be happy to do that :) | 09:57 |
| ddaa | I'm running a race against the clock right now, so kiko, if you can do it, that would be really nice. | 09:57 |
| ddaa | otherwise I'd be happy to do it. | 09:57 |
| kiko | okay, gimme a few minutes | 09:57 |
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| Kamion | Odd. https://launchpad.net/products/net-retriever/+series/main/+edit still gives me Forbidden; does it take a while to propagate somewhere? | 09:59 |
| ddaa | Mh... | 10:00 |
| ddaa | Try again? | 10:00 |
| Kamion | still | 10:00 |
| kiko | dude | 10:00 |
| kiko | not even I can access that page | 10:00 |
| ddaa | Mh | 10:01 |
| kiko | I think that page is buttsource only | 10:01 |
| ddaa | okay | 10:01 |
| ddaa | that seems weird | 10:01 |
| ddaa | Kamion: just tell me the URLs then | 10:01 |
| kiko | ddaa, a bug? | 10:01 |
| ddaa | Probably, to some extent | 10:02 |
| ddaa | Kamion: what you want to use is https://launchpad.net/products/net-retriever/+series/main/+source | 10:02 |
| Kamion | yeah, also forbidden | 10:02 |
| Kamion | ddaa: svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/packages/net-retriever | 10:03 |
| Kamion | ddaa: svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/packages/cdrom-retriever | 10:03 |
| Kamion | ddaa: svn://svn.debian.org/d-i/trunk/packages/floppy-retriever | 10:03 |
| ddaa | I guess that is related to some of my past requests. | 10:03 |
| ddaa | I wanted repo changes to be workflowed, to get through buttsource approval. | 10:03 |
| ddaa | also, I would like people not to rename series until importd is fixed to handle that... | 10:04 |
| ddaa | Long broken stuff that nobody ever came round to fixing... :( | 10:04 |
| ddaa | HOLY COW! | 10:05 |
| ddaa | not even I can modify it! | 10:05 |
| ddaa | kiko: can you file a bug about that, please | 10:05 |
| ddaa | I'll use database superpowers in the meantime | 10:06 |
| ddaa | "This source has been certified and is now unmodifiable" | 10:06 |
| ddaa | it says | 10:06 |
| carlos | kiko, ping | 10:06 |
| ddaa | idiot | 10:06 |
| carlos | kiko, I'm back | 10:06 |
| ddaa | I'm BUTTSOURCE | 10:06 |
| ddaa | I can modify any rcs detail I want, if I don't, who would???? | 10:06 |
| kiko | carlos, I am so happy to hear that | 10:07 |
| kiko | ddaa, what bug do you want me to file? It may be more expedient for you to file it, I have a date with carlos right now.. | 10:07 |
| ddaa | *grumble* *grumble* | 10:07 |
| carlos | kiko, you should call my land line, my mobile phone is still off | 10:07 |
| ddaa | okay, I will do the filing | 10:07 |
| ddaa | Kamion: I'm not forgetting you | 10:08 |
| Kamion | ddaa: heh, thanks | 10:10 |
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| kiko | salgado, can you update our syncer to use temporary-rocketfuel? | 10:11 |
| Kamion | "This source has been certified to be unmodifiable for all time even by upstream" ;-) | 10:11 |
| ddaa | I made a request for workflowing... | 10:11 |
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| ddaa | so people could not get approval with somehing sane, and then make it wrong, which is a real problem with Arch... | 10:12 |
| ddaa | With bzr it will not matter anymore. | 10:12 |
| buxy | and I configured it several days ago, what goes wrong ? what can I do ? | 10:12 |
| salgado | kiko, where's that tree? | 10:12 |
| ddaa | Well, it will still matter, but nothing that cannot be fixed. | 10:12 |
| Kamion | so a change in RCS details for Arch should make the source no-longer-certified? | 10:12 |
| Kamion | (sounds ok ...) | 10:13 |
| salgado | kiko, nm, found it | 10:13 |
| Kamion | until somebody comes along and rechecks it anyway | 10:13 |
| ddaa | Kamion: yes, that was the idea... But then I remember that importd is to broken to figure that something once certified is not anymore unless manually reloaded... | 10:13 |
| ddaa | okay... now it all makes sense... | 10:13 |
| ddaa | all because of Arch namespace... | 10:14 |
| Kamion | I think I'd better merge that package from Debian by hand in the meantime; I have a deadline for it | 10:14 |
| Kamion | thanks for the help, hopefully it'll get sorted eventually :) | 10:14 |
| ddaa | I'll babysit your imports | 10:14 |
| ddaa | It will be done within the hour. | 10:14 |
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| Kamion | ddaa: oh, cool, thanks | 10:18 |
| ddaa | okay, the imports are running | 10:23 |
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| lucas | hi | 10:25 |
| lucas | the username I usually use is 'lucas'. However, it's used on launchpad by somebody who was last active two months ago | 10:27 |
| lucas | I'm now an ubuntu-dev member, and find it increasingly inconvenient to have to use 'nussbaum' as login (my last name), since nobody know me under this name | 10:28 |
| lucas | is there something done about purging old LP accounts ? | 10:28 |
| Kamion | two months sounds rather short for any kind of purging, to me | 10:29 |
| lucas | what about forced renaming ? :-) | 10:30 |
| ddaa | lucas: if you can convince an admin to do it, it's possible | 10:30 |
| ddaa | it's not a decision I would take though | 10:30 |
| lucas | is there a predefined delay about such stuff ? like 3 months, or 6 months ? | 10:31 |
| ddaa | It has never come up before AFAIK | 10:31 |
| ddaa | so it do not think it has been discussed already | 10:31 |
| ddaa | And I just do not have the authority to change this sort of stuff. | 10:32 |
| lucas | ok | 10:32 |
| lucas | where should it be discussed ? | 10:32 |
| ddaa | I think the new launchpad-users mailing list would be the right place | 10:32 |
| lucas | ok | 10:32 |
| ddaa | Kamion: your archives are updated | 10:35 |
| ddaa | at your service if you have any other import-related trouble | 10:36 |
| ddaa | until I have some time to _think_ about what would be the right thing to do, just get RCS changes through to me. | 10:36 |
| ddaa | I will handle these requests at top priority | 10:36 |
| Kamion | ddaa: thanks! | 10:41 |
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| sd-tux | carlos: hi, it's still about rosetta .po import :) my(Alexander) translations are still in Published=False state :( i want to upload more translations this days... can you try to find a solution plz | 10:57 |
| carlos | sd-tux, the Published=False is not a problem (I think I will remove that column to prevent this kind of confussions...) | 10:58 |
| carlos | sd-tux, anyway, I will take a look to the queue now | 10:58 |
| carlos | jordi, hi, around? | 10:58 |
| Kamion | ddaa: thanks, updated net-retriever archive confirmed sensible and merged | 10:59 |
| sd-tux | carlos: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/ka ... evolution-2.4 is not updated... did you "publish" my evolution-2.4 translation ? | 11:03 |
| carlos | sd-tux, if it's imported, you should get an email | 11:03 |
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| sd-tux | carlos: right, i didn't get any mails from rosetta .. | 11:04 |
| carlos | sd-tux, then it's not yet imported | 11:04 |
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| sd-tux | carlos: hmmm.. what can i do now :) ? | 11:08 |
| carlos | sd-tux, I'm handling your requests, they should be imported tonight | 11:09 |
| kiko | rock and roll carlos | 11:09 |
| kiko | carlos, send in your activity reports dude | 11:09 |
| sd-tux | carlos: OK, thank you... | 11:10 |
| carlos | kiko, I promise you I will do it between tonight and tomorrow | 11:11 |
| kiko | cool | 11:11 |
| kiko | just don't forget | 11:11 |
| carlos | kiko, Don't worry, I will try to come back to the daily reports | 11:12 |
| lifeless | kiko: FYI there will be a delay getting built back to order | 11:20 |
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| lifeless | kiko: there is a unicode bug I need to address | 11:20 |
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| kiko | okay | 11:25 |
| kiko | that's fine | 11:25 |
| carlos | sd-tux, I think all your files are now ready to be imported, you should get emails soon | 11:25 |
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| carlos | see you | 11:36 |
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