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| mhz | ogra: ping? | 03:50 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: who is responsible for protecting the ubuntu brand? | 10:38 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I don't have her email anyomore | 10:38 |
| lucasvo | Jane silbs? | 10:38 |
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| P3L|C4N0 | hi people | 12:54 |
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| Yagisan | P3L|C4N0: G'day | 01:27 |
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| mhz | ogra: ping | 03:00 |
| Yagisan | G'day mhz | 03:01 |
| mhz | Yagisan: wow! awake still? | 03:01 |
| Yagisan | mhz: yeah - just fixed a problem with my www server | 03:02 |
| mhz | cool! | 03:03 |
| Yagisan | mhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi | 03:03 |
| Yagisan | mhz: check it out - even has USN on the frount page | 03:03 |
| Yagisan | :) | 03:03 |
| lucasvo | I have just read a quite interesting email about SchoolNet | 03:03 |
| lucasvo | do you kno it? | 03:03 |
| lucasvo | http://www.morokeni.ch/pdf/eduKar-profile-11Jan2006.pdf | 03:04 |
| Yagisan | sorry, no, I don't | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | you should read the document | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | :P | 03:04 |
| lucasvo | edubuntu isn't that bad, but it is not as good as their own | 03:04 |
| === mhz phone | ||
| Yagisan | lucasvo: if they add universe, edubuntu has most of it | 03:05 |
| lucasvo | yes | 03:05 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: did I mention I finished the basics of my site :) | 03:07 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: mhz is looking for you | 03:11 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: where? | 03:11 |
| ogra | Yagisan, yes, i ponged | 03:11 |
| mhz | Yagisan: if i were you, i'd choose to display Ubuntu sec. news before M$ ones | 03:11 |
| ogra | but that might have gone under in my linedrop | 03:11 |
| mhz | ogra: hey, sorry I see no 'pong' anywhere | 03:12 |
| mhz | (weired) | 03:12 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: which url? | 03:12 |
| ogra | mhz ogra: ping | 03:12 |
| ogra | Yagisan G'day mhz | 03:12 |
| ogra | mhz Yagisan: wow! awake still? | 03:12 |
| ogra | ogra mhz, pong | 03:12 |
| ogra | * Disconnected (). | 03:12 |
| ogra | might be the line dropped already | 03:12 |
| mhz | ooohhhhm must be something in my client... I never saw that | 03:13 |
| mhz | ogra: anyways, sorry for the inconvenience | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | mhz: no, it is ogra's problem | 03:13 |
| mhz | and thx for pongig | 03:13 |
| mhz | and thx for ponging | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | ogra: I have sent you an email | 03:13 |
| ogra | its on my side, dont worry | 03:13 |
| lucasvo | is it a goal of edubuntu to offer (cheap) solutions for schools in affrica | 03:13 |
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| lucasvo | SchoolNet Namibia? | 03:13 |
| ogra | lucasvo, thats rather the goal of highvoltage, we build annd offer the base for it | 03:14 |
| mhz | ogra: simple questions... When is next edubuntu summit and where? / Anychances I can convince you and Mark to let you come to Chile during last week of march, 1st week of april ? | 03:14 |
| ogra | surely not at this dates | 03:15 |
| ogra | we have release in april 20th | 03:15 |
| ogra | s7in/on | 03:15 |
| ogra | nobody will be able to travel at this time | 03:15 |
| ogra | since we'll need to fix the last bugs | 03:16 |
| mhz | hmmmm | 03:16 |
| === mhz sighs | ||
| mhz | ogra: i can't make any event in may | 03:16 |
| ogra | in may we have the ubuntu conf ... | 03:16 |
| mhz | and I can't make any event before 20th of march | 03:17 |
| ogra | will be a bad time as well | 03:17 |
| mhz | ogra: that's why I said "i can't" | 03:17 |
| ogra | the only dates i can think of is after the ubuntu conference | 03:17 |
| mhz | when is conf? | 03:17 |
| ogra | i dont have the mail here | 03:18 |
| ogra | mid may i thin | 03:18 |
| ogra | k | 03:18 |
| mhz | bummer | 03:18 |
| mhz | :( | 03:18 |
| ogra | or beginning of may | 03:18 |
| ogra | i'll talk to mark about possible dates once he's back from asia ... | 03:19 |
| ogra | (dunno when that is though)# | 03:19 |
| mhz | The only available dates to book the places we 'strategically' need in Santiago, are March-April or after July, in which case will kill all our plans | 03:19 |
| mhz | our Plans considera 'real-intensive' training and touring schools | 03:19 |
| mhz | and this event is for 300 people | 03:20 |
| mhz | at least 200 school | 03:20 |
| mhz | s | 03:20 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: sorry - was checking kids http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi | 03:20 |
| ogra | mhz, we wont be able to do anything like a edubuntu summit before release, i'm pretty sure | 03:20 |
| mhz | ogra: I know | 03:20 |
| mhz | I am not thinking of Edubuntu summit in Chile this year | 03:21 |
| ogra | and afterwards we'll have the ubuntu conf really soon | 03:21 |
| mhz | I just need to have 2 or 3 canonical people for 5 days in Chile | 03:21 |
| mhz | maybe 4 days | 03:21 |
| mhz | I know there will be a GNOME event in Brazil | 03:22 |
| mhz | near April too | 03:22 |
| ogra | as i said, i'll talk to mark if he's back from the asia promotion tour ... | 03:22 |
| mhz | so the idea ogra, was to make the event in Chile, go to Brazil | 03:22 |
| ogra | but i'm not sure how long that lasts | 03:22 |
| mhz | ogra: is he reading mails on regular basis | 03:22 |
| ogra | yes | 03:23 |
| ogra | but mind you, he's getting 1000s per day i think | 03:23 |
| === mhz sighs deeply... | ||
| mhz | yes, i imagine | 03:24 |
| mhz | the issue I see here is for my plans only | 03:24 |
| ogra | you should probably ask *before* making plans if you want other people involved | 03:25 |
| mhz | I have finally got more interested people who are considering to sponsor me for about 6 months with the Edubuntu Tour thing | 03:25 |
| mhz | ogra: yes | 03:25 |
| mhz | but please consider that I have to start somewhere | 03:25 |
| mhz | and if i start with canonical people and dont get sponsors in Chile to help with Edubuntu Tour | 03:26 |
| mhz | then I doubt canonical will believe in my ideas for near future | 03:26 |
| mhz | ogra: or not? | 03:26 |
| ogra | you dont need sponsors ... | 03:27 |
| mhz | ogra: i do. I am getting to 'zero' money in the bank and the pocket | 03:27 |
| mhz | ogra: recently elected president has made education one of her top priorities for 2008 | 03:28 |
| mhz | so, the plan is to have a very active community and many shcools using Edubuntu | 03:29 |
| mhz | during 2007 | 03:29 |
| mhz | ogra: inn order to do so, 2006 is the year we need to make the Tour | 03:29 |
| mhz | in Chile | 03:29 |
| mhz | suggest the summit in Chile for 2007 | 03:29 |
| ogra | i meant you dont need sponsors to get canonical people to you | 03:30 |
| mhz | and show the Chilean Gov we did great in order to have its support for 2008 | 03:30 |
| mhz | ogra: oooh, I did not know that | 03:30 |
| ogra | either mark pays or he doesnt come | 03:30 |
| ogra | he has his own plane and i guess he can claim the fuel back on taxes ;) | 03:31 |
| mhz | ogra: oh, but I do need sponsors to get the plan doable. I am sure prospects see just a couple of chubby guys with no 'job' today when I knock on their doors. If they see Canonical behind these 2 guys... it is more likely they'll see I knwo what I am doing | 03:32 |
| ogra | mhz, sure, but i cant offer you to schedule marks time, he just wont allow me to do that ;) | 03:33 |
| mhz | ogra: hehehe, I know | 03:33 |
| ogra | and my schedule is locked pretty much for development until release ... | 03:33 |
| mhz | ogra: i was just asking if there is any chance I can have you and 1 more and 1 or 2 more guys from Canonical for 4 days in Chile | 03:34 |
| ogra | i'll talk to mark, as i said | 03:34 |
| mhz | ogra: and what is this were the 22nd of april? | 03:34 |
| mhz | is -if | 03:34 |
| ogra | thats 2 days after release .... nobody in the distro team will sleep the week before | 03:35 |
| mhz | ogra: you could see this as your vacations... rafting? | 03:35 |
| ogra | sure i could, but youre throwing impossible dates at me :/ | 03:35 |
| mhz | hehehehehehe | 03:36 |
| mhz | lol | 03:36 |
| mhz | 24th? | 03:36 |
| ogra | i have to look up when exactly the ubuntu conf is to tell you more | 03:36 |
| mhz | ogra: okis, i understand | 03:36 |
| mhz | ogra: i hope you understand why i needed this bugging you | 03:37 |
| ogra | and i really need to talk to mark... | 03:37 |
| mhz | :) | 03:37 |
| ogra | yes, i do | 03:37 |
| ogra | i'll try my best... | 03:37 |
| mhz | thx | 03:37 |
| mhz | i know you do | 03:37 |
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| guim | creating a zip archive won't work when there is an empty folder to add to the zip | 03:55 |
| guim | oups | 03:55 |
| guim | wrong chan again | 03:56 |
| guim | sorry | 03:56 |
| guim | (and hi all btw) | 03:57 |
| mhz | guim: hehehe | 04:03 |
| guim | ;) | 04:03 |
| guim | (reporting a problem I have with gnome/ubuntu) | 04:03 |
| guim | edubuntu chan's name is to close :) | 04:04 |
| guim | mhz, did you see the belgian link I sent you? | 04:04 |
| ogra | lucasvo, thanks for the pdfs | 04:04 |
| mhz | guim: to me? | 04:04 |
| ogra | lucasvo, but the comparison doc is compeltely wrong in most cases | 04:04 |
| ogra | they omit most of the apps we ship | 04:06 |
| ogra | i wonder if they used a prerelease or something ... | 04:08 |
| guim | mhz, yes | 04:08 |
| mhz | guim: then nope, i dont recall | 04:08 |
| guim | "reseau citoyen" | 04:09 |
| guim | this an initative in Blegium to provide free wireless access to the internet in some cities in Belgium | 04:09 |
| guim | You said you were looking for that kind of project | 04:09 |
| guim | but their wiki is in french and the website is not really uptodate | 04:10 |
| mhz | guim: ooooohhhhh, yes!!! | 04:11 |
| guim | :) | 04:12 |
| mhz | guim: I did saw it | 04:12 |
| mhz | long ago to remember, sorry | 04:12 |
| guim | np | 04:12 |
| mhz | I followed EdubuntuInstallNotes advice to ThinClientHowtoNAT | 05:02 |
| mhz | I see /etc/ltsp/nat.conf | 05:03 |
| mhz | but I dont get to understand how I can include in it to keep port 8080 open | 05:03 |
| mhz | any ideas? | 05:03 |
| mhz | Yagisan: awake? | 05:05 |
| ogra | hmm you dont really need NAT on thin clients | 05:06 |
| ogra | since nothing runs locally | 05:07 |
| mhz | hmmm, i do, beacause this small network is shared by 2 clients and 2 normal linux boxes | 05:08 |
| mhz | and the 'server' provide Edubuntu and NAT | 05:08 |
| === mhz would love to have a real testing env. soon | ||
| ogra | as i said, the thin clients dont need any routing | 05:10 |
| ogra | and no NAT as well | 05:10 |
| mhz | ogra: hehehe, i know about the Clients no needing anything | 05:11 |
| mhz | but the other 2 normal boxed do need it. And all 4 machines (boxes and clients) are connected to same server | 05:11 |
| ogra | you will never connect them to anything apart the server and all the sessions run on the server, there is zero point in doing NAT | 05:11 |
| ogra | why do you need to NAT the normal boxes ? | 05:12 |
| ogra | just point them to the right gateway | 05:12 |
| mhz | ogra: the server has 2 NIC's. One is only for local traffic (LTSP and NAT), the other is connected to the house-modem | 05:13 |
| ogra | ah | 05:13 |
| ogra | yes, then NAT might help | 05:13 |
| mhz | LOL | 05:14 |
| ogra | i didnt think you have two NICs | 05:14 |
| ogra | its a waste of HW :) | 05:14 |
| mhz | ogra: it's not 'my server', it's the one they lend me to 'play and test' as much aas I can as long as I dont touch the HW, only the 1 HD I have for Edubuntu stuff | 05:15 |
| mhz | so those are the rules I play with | 05:15 |
| ogra | ah | 05:15 |
| mhz | and that's I hope when I get sponsors I can have a 'real testing env.' | 05:15 |
| mhz | ogra: so if you can tell me how I can set that nat.conf to let me open 8080.. it will be real cool | 05:17 |
| mhz | I can access 7080 perfectly | 05:17 |
| mhz | but 8080 | 05:17 |
| mhz | :( | 05:18 |
| ogra | does squid run ? | 05:18 |
| ogra | there must be something listening on 8080 | 05:18 |
| ogra | else your connection will be refused | 05:18 |
| ogra | +so configure squid right and make sure it runs | 05:18 |
| mhz | hmmm, squid is good idea but then why I can get to 7080 and not 8080? | 05:19 |
| ogra | what do you get on 7080 ? | 05:20 |
| mhz | SchoolTool | 05:20 |
| ogra | thats not NATed | 05:20 |
| mhz | ok, i got lost now. I need that 'server' to accept 8080 and 7080 | 05:21 |
| ogra | nope | 05:21 |
| mhz | as in 192.168....:7080 | 05:21 |
| ogra | 7080 runs locally on the server | 05:21 |
| mhz | and as in 192.168....:8080 | 05:21 |
| mhz | yes | 05:21 |
| ogra | thats not NAT | 05:21 |
| mhz | yes | 05:21 |
| mhz | it is not nat | 05:21 |
| mhz | I agree | 05:21 |
| mhz | but my point is I tried to read nat.conf | 05:22 |
| ogra | NAT means you forward requests on one NIC to the other | 05:22 |
| mhz | following InstallNotes advice | 05:22 |
| mhz | yes, ogra | 05:22 |
| ogra | i didnt write the NAT stuff | 05:22 |
| mhz | duh! | 05:22 |
| mhz | I thought you had | 05:22 |
| ogra | and i dont know who put that on the InsatllNotes | 05:22 |
| mhz | ooops | 05:23 |
| ogra | since NAT is stupid fro normal ltsp functionallity | 05:23 |
| mhz | ok, then the good news is that ThinClientHowtoNAT works ok, but it's chineese to me when I try to understand the nat.conf file | 05:23 |
| ogra | its only intresting for your corner case where you put real workstations on the thin client net | 05:24 |
| mhz | and I have ports blocked BUT 7080 | 05:24 |
| ogra | but only there | 05:24 |
| mhz | :) | 05:24 |
| ogra | you dont have blocked anything local with NAT | 05:24 |
| ogra | so schooltool will always be available unless you write a special iptables rule for that | 05:25 |
| ogra | s/for/for blocking/ | 05:25 |
| mhz | ohh | 05:26 |
| mhz | then why 8080 is being 'refused connection' in your oipinion? | 05:27 |
| ogra | nat means only forwarding stuff between the two networks | 05:27 |
| mhz | yup | 05:27 |
| mhz | NAT is Network Address T... | 05:27 |
| ogra | dunno, is your squid configured correctly and running ? | 05:27 |
| === mhz has not run squid there yet | ||
| ogra | so why do you expect port 8080 to answer ? | 05:28 |
| mhz | because IIRC, all ports are open unless you close them? | 05:28 |
| mhz | and localhost:8080 is responding perfectly | 05:28 |
| ogra | yes, on the server where noting listens on 8080 | 05:28 |
| mhz | BUT 192.168.0.1:8080 is refusing | 05:29 |
| ogra | what do you get on localhost:8080 | 05:30 |
| mhz | now, moin, because Tecnocimiento.cl is getting 'time out's (looooong story) | 05:31 |
| mhz | so I need to set up something quickly while I get a better solution form hostinf | 05:31 |
| mhz | g | 05:31 |
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| ryanbisd | Hey guys. Do you know of any good ESL programs or games? | 06:32 |
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| ryanbisd | Hey guys. Do you know of any good ESL programs or games? | 06:50 |
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| DaSkreech | Hello | 06:58 |
| DaSkreech | I'm having a little issue with java in Firefox | 06:58 |
| DaSkreech | Is there a problem with BlackDown? | 07:01 |
| Burgwork | DaSkreech, please ask in #ubuntu, as the version of FF is the same | 07:02 |
| ogra | not that i'm aware of | 07:02 |
| DaSkreech | I am | 07:02 |
| ogra | j2re in breezy runs fine here | 07:02 |
| DaSkreech | Just thought that you might have a quicker finger on the pulse | 07:02 |
| ogra | (at least the one from multiverse we offer= | 07:03 |
| DaSkreech | since schools would make heavy use of java | 07:03 |
| DaSkreech | ogra: Do you have Firefox 1.0.7? | 07:03 |
| DaSkreech | or have you ugraded? | 07:03 |
| ogra | i have the ff and j2re we offer in breezy | 07:05 |
| ogra | works fine on ltsp and non ltsp setups | 07:05 |
| DaSkreech | Right | 07:05 |
| DaSkreech | Can you do a quick test for me? | 07:05 |
| lucasvo | guim: what was it about reseau citoyen? | 07:06 |
| lucasvo | I have met these guys | 07:06 |
| DaSkreech | Go to mathsnet.net and click on algebra | 07:06 |
| ogra | not now, i'm not near my breezy box and tomorrow is deadline for new packages in edubuntu dapper .... | 07:07 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 07:07 |
| DaSkreech | Work hard :) We appreciate it | 07:07 |
| ogra | probably some other user with breezy in here can help | 07:07 |
| === DaSkreech nods. Assuming they aren't busy | ||
| DaSkreech | and speak up :-) | 07:16 |
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| DaSkreech | hi littlepaul | 07:25 |
| littlepaul | hi DaSkreech | 07:25 |
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| mhz | ogra: nat.conf was ok, Iptables was ok too | 07:49 |
| mhz | moin.py was set to use interface = localhost | 07:49 |
| mhz | intead of '' | 07:49 |
| mhz | duh! | 07:49 |
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| penguin_roar | hello :D | 11:53 |
| penguin_roar | Just rolled out 70 clients on an Edubuntu server today =) | 11:54 |
| ogra | wow ! | 11:54 |
| penguin_roar | Good work lads and laddies | 11:54 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 11:54 |
| penguin_roar | its just a 2 Xeon machine so its interesting to see how it will handle the load | 11:55 |
| penguin_roar | 3 Gb mem | 11:55 |
| penguin_roar | tried sabayon, that made managing profiles easier than on Novell Zenworks | 11:56 |
| penguin_roar | hey, trondm, is that the norweigian guy from kongsvinger? | 11:57 |
| Burgwork | penguin_roar, you played with pessulus yet? | 12:02 |
| penguin_roar | no, whats that? | 12:03 |
| Burgwork | lockdown editor, integrates into new versions of sabayon | 12:03 |
| penguin_roar | oki, something i must look at | 12:03 |
| ogra | its a shrunk down variant of sabayon | 12:03 |
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