[03:50] <mhz> ogra: ping?
[10:38] <lucasvo> ogra: who is responsible for protecting the ubuntu brand?
[10:38] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't have her email anyomore
[10:38] <lucasvo> Jane silbs?
[12:54] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[01:27] <Yagisan> P3L|C4N0: G'day
[03:00] <mhz> ogra: ping
[03:01] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[03:01] <mhz> Yagisan: wow! awake still?
[03:02] <Yagisan> mhz: yeah - just fixed a problem with my www server
[03:03] <mhz> cool!
[03:03] <Yagisan> mhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi
[03:03] <Yagisan> mhz: check it out - even has USN on the frount page
[03:03] <Yagisan> :)
[03:03] <lucasvo> I have just read a quite interesting email about SchoolNet
[03:03] <lucasvo> do you kno it?
[03:04] <lucasvo> http://www.morokeni.ch/pdf/eduKar-profile-11Jan2006.pdf
[03:04] <Yagisan> sorry, no, I don't
[03:04] <lucasvo> you should read the document
[03:04] <lucasvo> :P
[03:04] <lucasvo> edubuntu isn't that bad, but it is not as good as their own
[03:05] <Yagisan> lucasvo: if they add universe, edubuntu has most of it
[03:05] <lucasvo> yes
[03:07] <Yagisan> lucasvo: did I mention I finished the basics of my site :)
[03:11] <Yagisan> ogra: mhz is looking for you
[03:11] <lucasvo> Yagisan: where?
[03:11] <ogra> Yagisan, yes, i ponged 
[03:11] <mhz> Yagisan: if i were you, i'd choose to display Ubuntu sec. news before M$ ones
[03:11] <ogra> but that might have gone under in my linedrop
[03:12] <mhz> ogra: hey, sorry I see no 'pong' anywhere
[03:12] <mhz> (weired)
[03:12] <lucasvo> Yagisan: which url?
[03:12] <ogra> mhz ogra: ping
[03:12] <ogra> Yagisan G'day mhz
[03:12] <ogra> mhz Yagisan: wow! awake still?
[03:12] <ogra> ogra mhz, pong
[03:12] <ogra> * Disconnected ().
[03:12] <ogra> might be the line dropped already
[03:13] <mhz> ooohhhhm must be something in my client... I never saw that
[03:13] <mhz> ogra: anyways, sorry for the inconvenience
[03:13] <lucasvo> mhz: no, it is ogra's problem
[03:13] <mhz> and thx for pongig
[03:13] <mhz> and thx for ponging
[03:13] <lucasvo> ogra: I have sent you an email
[03:13] <ogra> its on my side, dont worry
[03:13] <lucasvo> is it a goal of edubuntu to offer (cheap) solutions for schools in affrica
[03:13] <lucasvo> SchoolNet Namibia?
[03:14] <ogra> lucasvo, thats rather the goal of highvoltage, we build annd offer the base for it
[03:14] <mhz> ogra: simple questions... When is next edubuntu summit and where?   /    Anychances I can convince you and Mark to let you come to Chile during last week of march, 1st week of april ?
[03:15] <ogra> surely not at this dates
[03:15] <ogra> we have release in april 20th
[03:15] <ogra> s7in/on
[03:15] <ogra> nobody will be able to travel at this time
[03:16] <ogra> since we'll need to fix the last bugs
[03:16] <mhz> hmmmm
[03:16] <mhz> ogra: i can't make any event in may
[03:16] <ogra> in may we have the ubuntu conf ...
[03:17] <mhz> and I can't make any event before 20th of march
[03:17] <ogra> will be a bad time as well
[03:17] <mhz> ogra: that's why I said "i can't"
[03:17] <ogra> the only dates i can think of is after the ubuntu conference
[03:17] <mhz> when is conf?
[03:18] <ogra> i dont have the mail here 
[03:18] <ogra> mid may i thin
[03:18] <ogra> k
[03:18] <mhz> bummer
[03:18] <mhz> :(
[03:18] <ogra> or beginning of may
[03:19] <ogra> i'll talk to mark about possible dates once he's back from asia ...
[03:19] <ogra> (dunno when that is though)#
[03:19] <mhz> The only available dates to book the places we 'strategically' need in Santiago, are March-April or after July, in which case will kill all our plans
[03:19] <mhz> our Plans considera 'real-intensive' training and touring schools
[03:20] <mhz> and this event is for 300 people
[03:20] <mhz> at least 200 school
[03:20] <mhz> s
[03:20] <Yagisan> lucasvo: sorry - was checking kids http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi
[03:20] <ogra> mhz, we wont be able to do anything like a edubuntu summit before release, i'm pretty sure
[03:20] <mhz> ogra: I know
[03:21] <mhz> I am not thinking of Edubuntu summit in Chile this year
[03:21] <ogra> and afterwards we'll have the ubuntu conf really soon
[03:21] <mhz> I just need to have 2 or 3 canonical people for 5 days in Chile
[03:21] <mhz> maybe 4 days
[03:22] <mhz> I know there will be a GNOME event in Brazil
[03:22] <mhz> near April too
[03:22] <ogra> as i said, i'll talk to mark if he's back from the asia promotion tour ...
[03:22] <mhz> so the idea ogra, was to make the event in Chile, go to Brazil
[03:22] <ogra> but i'm not sure how long that lasts
[03:22] <mhz> ogra: is he reading mails on regular basis
[03:23] <ogra> yes
[03:23] <ogra> but mind you, he's getting 1000s per day i think
[03:24] <mhz> yes, i imagine
[03:24] <mhz> the issue I see here is for my plans only
[03:25] <ogra> you should probably ask *before* making plans if you want other people involved
[03:25] <mhz> I have finally got more interested people who are considering to sponsor me for about 6 months with the Edubuntu Tour thing
[03:25] <mhz> ogra: yes
[03:25] <mhz> but please consider that I have to start somewhere
[03:26] <mhz> and if i start with canonical people and dont get sponsors in Chile to help with Edubuntu Tour
[03:26] <mhz> then I doubt canonical will believe in my ideas for near future
[03:26] <mhz> ogra: or not?
[03:27] <ogra> you dont need sponsors ...
[03:27] <mhz> ogra: i do. I am getting to 'zero' money in the bank and the pocket
[03:28] <mhz> ogra: recently elected president has made education one of her top priorities for 2008
[03:29] <mhz> so, the plan is to have a very active community and many shcools using Edubuntu
[03:29] <mhz> during 2007
[03:29] <mhz> ogra: inn order to do so, 2006 is the year we need to make the Tour
[03:29] <mhz> in Chile
[03:29] <mhz> suggest the summit in Chile for 2007 
[03:30] <ogra> i meant you dont need sponsors to get canonical people to you 
[03:30] <mhz> and show the Chilean Gov we did great in order to have its support for 2008
[03:30] <mhz> ogra: oooh, I did not know that
[03:30] <ogra> either mark pays or he doesnt come 
[03:31] <ogra> he has his own plane and i guess he can claim the fuel back on taxes ;)
[03:32] <mhz> ogra: oh, but I do need sponsors to get the plan doable. I am sure prospects see just a couple of chubby guys with no 'job' today when I knock on their doors. If they see Canonical behind these 2 guys... it is more likely they'll see I knwo what I am doing
[03:33] <ogra> mhz, sure, but i cant offer you to schedule marks time, he just wont allow me to do that ;)
[03:33] <mhz> ogra: hehehe, I know
[03:33] <ogra> and my schedule is locked pretty much for development until release ...
[03:34] <mhz> ogra: i was just asking if there is any chance I can have you and 1 more and 1 or 2 more guys from Canonical for 4 days in Chile
[03:34] <ogra> i'll talk to mark, as i said
[03:34] <mhz> ogra: and what is this were the 22nd of april?
[03:34] <mhz> is -if
[03:35] <ogra> thats 2 days after release .... nobody in the distro team will sleep the week before
[03:35] <mhz> ogra: you could see this as your vacations... rafting?
[03:35] <ogra> sure i could, but youre throwing impossible dates at me :/
[03:36] <mhz> hehehehehehe
[03:36] <mhz> lol
[03:36] <mhz> 24th?
[03:36] <ogra> i have to look up when exactly the ubuntu conf is to tell you more
[03:36] <mhz> ogra: okis, i understand
[03:37] <mhz> ogra: i hope you understand why i needed this bugging you 
[03:37] <ogra> and i really need to talk to mark...
[03:37] <mhz> :)
[03:37] <ogra> yes, i do
[03:37] <ogra> i'll try my best...
[03:37] <mhz> thx
[03:37] <mhz> i know you do
[03:55] <guim>  creating a zip archive won't work when there is an empty folder to add to the zip  
[03:55] <guim> oups
[03:56] <guim> wrong chan again
[03:56] <guim> sorry
[03:57] <guim> (and hi all btw)
[04:03] <mhz> guim: hehehe
[04:03] <guim> ;)
[04:03] <guim> (reporting a problem I have with gnome/ubuntu)
[04:04] <guim> edubuntu chan's name is to close :)
[04:04] <guim> mhz, did you see the belgian link I sent you?
[04:04] <ogra> lucasvo, thanks for the pdfs 
[04:04] <mhz> guim: to me?
[04:04] <ogra> lucasvo, but the comparison doc is compeltely wrong in most cases
[04:06] <ogra> they omit most of the apps we ship
[04:08] <ogra> i wonder if they used a prerelease or something ... 
[04:08] <guim> mhz, yes
[04:08] <mhz> guim: then nope, i dont recall
[04:09] <guim> "reseau citoyen"
[04:09] <guim> this an initative in Blegium to provide free wireless access to the internet in some cities in Belgium
[04:09] <guim> You said you were looking for that kind of project
[04:10] <guim> but their wiki is in french and the website is not really uptodate
[04:11] <mhz> guim: ooooohhhhh, yes!!!
[04:12] <guim> :)
[04:12] <mhz> guim: I did saw it
[04:12] <mhz> long ago to remember, sorry
[04:12] <guim> np
[05:02] <mhz> I followed EdubuntuInstallNotes advice to ThinClientHowtoNAT
[05:03] <mhz> I see /etc/ltsp/nat.conf
[05:03] <mhz> but I dont get to understand how I can include in it to keep port 8080 open
[05:03] <mhz> any ideas?
[05:05] <mhz> Yagisan: awake?
[05:06] <ogra> hmm you dont really need NAT on thin clients 
[05:07] <ogra> since nothing runs locally
[05:08] <mhz> hmmm, i do, beacause this small network is shared by 2 clients and 2 normal linux boxes
[05:08] <mhz> and the 'server' provide Edubuntu and NAT
[05:10] <ogra> as i said, the thin clients dont need any routing
[05:10] <ogra> and no NAT as well
[05:11] <mhz> ogra: hehehe, i know about the Clients no needing anything
[05:11] <mhz> but the other 2 normal boxed do need it. And all 4 machines (boxes and clients) are connected to same server
[05:11] <ogra> you will never connect them to anything apart the server and all the sessions run on the server, there is zero point in doing NAT
[05:12] <ogra> why do you need to NAT the normal boxes  ? 
[05:12] <ogra> just point them to the right gateway
[05:13] <mhz> ogra: the server has 2 NIC's. One is only for local traffic (LTSP and NAT), the other is connected to the house-modem
[05:13] <ogra> ah
[05:13] <ogra> yes, then NAT might help
[05:14] <mhz> LOL
[05:14] <ogra> i didnt think you have two NICs
[05:14] <ogra> its a waste of HW :)
[05:15] <mhz> ogra: it's not 'my server', it's the one they lend me to 'play and test' as much aas I can as long as I dont touch the HW, only the 1 HD I have for Edubuntu stuff
[05:15] <mhz> so those are the rules I play with
[05:15] <ogra> ah
[05:15] <mhz> and that's I hope when I get sponsors I can have a 'real testing env.'
[05:17] <mhz> ogra: so if you can tell me how I can set that nat.conf to let me open 8080.. it will be real cool
[05:17] <mhz> I can access 7080 perfectly
[05:17] <mhz> but 8080
[05:18] <mhz> :(
[05:18] <ogra> does squid run ? 
[05:18] <ogra> there must be something listening on 8080
[05:18] <ogra> else your connection will be refused
[05:18] <ogra> +so configure squid right and make sure it runs 
[05:19] <mhz> hmmm, squid is good idea but then why I can get to 7080 and not 8080?
[05:20] <ogra> what do you get on 7080 ?
[05:20] <mhz> SchoolTool
[05:20] <ogra> thats not NATed
[05:21] <mhz> ok, i got lost now. I need that 'server' to accept 8080 and 7080
[05:21] <ogra> nope
[05:21] <mhz> as in 192.168....:7080
[05:21] <ogra> 7080 runs locally on the server
[05:21] <mhz>  and as in 192.168....:8080
[05:21] <mhz> yes
[05:21] <ogra> thats not NAT
[05:21] <mhz> yes
[05:21] <mhz> it is not nat
[05:21] <mhz> I agree
[05:22] <mhz> but my point is I tried to read nat.conf
[05:22] <ogra> NAT means you forward requests on one NIC to the other
[05:22] <mhz> following InstallNotes advice
[05:22] <mhz> yes, ogra
[05:22] <ogra> i didnt write the NAT stuff
[05:22] <mhz> duh!
[05:22] <mhz> I thought you had
[05:22] <ogra> and i dont know who put that on the InsatllNotes
[05:23] <mhz> ooops
[05:23] <ogra> since NAT is stupid fro normal ltsp functionallity
[05:23] <mhz> ok, then the good news is that ThinClientHowtoNAT works ok, but it's chineese to me when I try to understand the nat.conf file
[05:24] <ogra> its only intresting for your corner case where you put real workstations on the thin client net
[05:24] <mhz> and I have ports blocked BUT 7080
[05:24] <ogra> but only there
[05:24] <mhz> :)
[05:24] <ogra> you dont have blocked anything local with NAT
[05:25] <ogra> so schooltool will always be available unless you write a special iptables rule for that
[05:25] <ogra> s/for/for blocking/
[05:26] <mhz> ohh
[05:27] <mhz> then why 8080 is being 'refused connection' in your oipinion?
[05:27] <ogra> nat means only forwarding stuff between the two networks
[05:27] <mhz> yup
[05:27] <mhz> NAT is Network Address T...
[05:27] <ogra> dunno, is your squid configured correctly and running ?
[05:28] <ogra> so why do you expect port 8080 to answer ?
[05:28] <mhz> because IIRC, all ports are open unless you close them?
[05:28] <mhz> and localhost:8080 is responding perfectly
[05:28] <ogra> yes, on the server where noting listens on 8080
[05:29] <mhz> BUT 192.168.0.1:8080 is refusing
[05:30] <ogra> what do you get on localhost:8080
[05:31] <mhz> now, moin, because Tecnocimiento.cl is getting 'time out's (looooong story)
[05:31] <mhz> so I need to set up something quickly while I get a better solution form hostinf
[05:31] <mhz> g
[06:32] <ryanbisd> Hey guys.  Do you know of any good ESL programs or games?
[06:50] <ryanbisd> Hey guys.  Do you know of any good ESL programs or games?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Hello
[06:58] <DaSkreech> I'm having a little issue with java in Firefox
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Is there a problem with BlackDown?
[07:02] <Burgwork> DaSkreech, please ask in #ubuntu, as the version of FF is the same
[07:02] <ogra> not that i'm aware of
[07:02] <DaSkreech> I am 
[07:02] <ogra> j2re in breezy runs fine here
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Just thought that you might have a quicker finger on the pulse
[07:03] <ogra> (at least the one from multiverse we offer=
[07:03] <DaSkreech> since schools would make heavy use of java
[07:03] <DaSkreech> ogra: Do you have Firefox 1.0.7?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> or have you ugraded?
[07:05] <ogra> i have the ff and j2re we offer in breezy
[07:05] <ogra> works fine on ltsp and non ltsp setups
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Right
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Can you do a quick test for me?
[07:06] <lucasvo> guim: what was it about reseau citoyen?
[07:06] <lucasvo> I have met these guys
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Go to mathsnet.net and click on algebra
[07:07] <ogra> not now, i'm not near my breezy box and tomorrow is deadline for new packages in edubuntu dapper ....
[07:07] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Work hard :) We appreciate it
[07:07] <ogra> probably some other user with breezy in here can help
[07:16] <DaSkreech> and speak up :-)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> hi littlepaul
[07:25] <littlepaul> hi DaSkreech 
[07:49] <mhz> ogra: nat.conf was ok, Iptables was ok too
[07:49] <mhz> moin.py was set to use interface = localhost
[07:49] <mhz> intead of ''
[07:49] <mhz> duh!
[11:53] <penguin_roar> hello :D
[11:54] <penguin_roar> Just rolled out 70 clients on an Edubuntu server today =)
[11:54] <ogra> wow !
[11:54] <penguin_roar> Good work lads and laddies
[11:54] <ogra> thanks  :)
[11:55] <penguin_roar> its just a 2 Xeon machine so its interesting to see how it will handle the load 
[11:55] <penguin_roar> 3 Gb mem 
[11:56] <penguin_roar> tried sabayon, that made managing profiles easier than on Novell Zenworks 
[11:57] <penguin_roar> hey, trondm, is that the norweigian guy from kongsvinger?
[12:02] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, you played with pessulus yet?
[12:03] <penguin_roar> no, whats that?
[12:03] <Burgwork> lockdown editor, integrates into new versions of sabayon
[12:03] <penguin_roar> oki, something i must look at
[12:03] <ogra> its a shrunk down variant of sabayon