[12:13] <Lathiat> Riddell: add mdns in hosts ti /etc/nsswitch.cofn (which it is in dapper)
[12:16] <allee> Lathiat, Riddell: there's a thread on pkg-kde-talk ml.  There one of upstream recommended to ues file mdns4 dns (afair).
[12:17] <allee> > I think it should be "file mdns4 dns". Someone should file a bug about
[12:17] <allee> > this.
[12:18] <allee> Lathiat, Riddell: thread starts: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2006-January/000445.html
[12:28] <_rockie> need reviews http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1521
[12:34] <freeflying> need reviews http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1521
[12:44] <allee> freeflying: about: eva.  Did you ever read the manpage?  eva is a very curious program
[12:45] <allee> freeflying: long and short description: I still have no idea what qq is.  Describe what is does and what's good for.  Not that is ported and by whom.  like qq can be mentioned as a side note for the experts in long desc.
[12:53] <freeflying> allee: thx ,I'll add more details about descpition of it 
[12:56] <allee> freeflying: np
[01:43] <Red_Herring> anyone listening if i make a suggestion?
[01:45] <Red_Herring> fine
[01:45] <Red_Herring> ill say it anyway, in case anyone ever reads this
[01:46] <Red_Herring> can someone make a script for konqueror, or even kde, so that .iso and etc. all can be mounted?
[01:46] <Red_Herring> i know its not that hard at all
[01:46] <Red_Herring> i can do it in the terminal
[01:46] <Red_Herring> but i lack the knowlage to write a script
[01:47] <Red_Herring> so if anyone could take my suggestion, im glad i helped
[01:49] <freeflying> Red_Herring: there have such a script on kde-apps.org
[01:49] <Red_Herring> but why are they not in kubuntu?
[01:50] <freeflying> Red_Herring: you can package it for kubuntu, if you like so 
[01:50] <Red_Herring> oooooo
[01:50] <Red_Herring> i have NO CLUE how to
[01:51] <Red_Herring> i just had that idea after i made isos of all my futurama dvds
[01:55] <freeflying> Red_Herring: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[01:56] <Red_Herring> ok, i am pretty much a n00b when it comes to development at all, i dont know what scripts i need, or how to write them, and i have no freaking clue what that package page is all about
[02:25] <allee> freeflying: this iso mounting tools on kde-apps.  You remember the name of have the URL? Have you used it yourself?
[02:25] <allee> s/of/or/
[02:33] <freeflying> allee: I've used it before , but it dosen't perform well
[02:33] <Red_Herring> im sorry, i am not very good at doing any sort of development
[02:34] <Red_Herring> so i was kinda asking if any of you could do something llike that
[02:37] <allee> Red_Herring: np.  User are also important ;)  They often point out problems that developers never realize.
[02:38] <Red_Herring> thank you
[02:38] <allee> Red_Herring: E.g., I always use k3b to browse iso.  But you are right this could be made easier.
[02:38] <freeflying> Red_Herring: I'm also a user of kubuntu
[02:39] <Red_Herring> i just think if you could mount it into the file system it would be easyer
[02:39] <allee> Red_Herring: if you have some time search on www.kde-apps.org if there are apps that seem to do what you want
[02:39] <Red_Herring> its just a suggestion
[02:39] <freeflying> allee: I've reuploaded eva 
[02:39] <Red_Herring> well... i really should be studying for finals
[02:40] <allee> Red_Herring: and _not_ a bad one!
[02:40] <allee> Red_Herring: okay.  Good luck for your finals!!!!
[02:40] <Red_Herring> thanks
[02:40] <Red_Herring> i need it
[02:40] <allee> Not if you learn instead of search for handy apps on kde-apps ;)
[02:41] <Red_Herring> well, luck still is a very handy thing to have
[02:44] <allee> :)
[02:44] <allee> freeflying: quick look only.  It's late here ;)
[02:46] <allee> freeflying: if you feel like it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1525  look at debian/TODO first 
[02:50] <allee> freeflying: just curious: why did you rebuild configure and the Makefiles?
[02:50] <freeflying> allee: I've not 
[02:53] <allee> freeflying: can you try: debuild clean; mv debian/ ..; cd ..; rm -rf eva-0.4.0; tar xzf - eva_0.4.0.orig.tar.gz; mv debian eva-*; cd eva-*; debuild;  lsdiff -z ../eva-*.diff.gz # please double check for typos!!!!!
[02:53] <allee> freeflying: this is the usual way I use to clean up stuff that slipped into the diff.gz for whatever reason
[02:53] <freeflying> allee: got it , I'd check it now 
[02:54] <allee> freeflying: oh, forgot.  Mv the newly generated diff.gz aside and run debuild again.  Both diffs, of 1st and 2nd build, should be identical 
[02:54] <allee> freeflying: ok ;)
[02:55] <freeflying> allee: thx a lot
[02:56] <allee> freeflying: lsdiff is invaluable to detect such sometime accidental polutions of the diff
[02:57] <allee> freeflying: is eva only working in Linux? If not remove from description
[03:00] <allee> freeflying: debian/copyright has old FSF address, please inform upstream to fix it
[03:00] <allee> freeflying: maybe ask on -motu if it's okay to change in copyright
[03:02] <allee> freeflying: bug! debian/copyright:  text is about LGDL but you rever to the GPL-2 file on debian
[03:02] <freeflying> allee: I'm checking it 
[03:06] <allee> freeflying: manpage is still on your TODO right?  (Btw.  create a debian/TODO and list stuff you know needs work.  Saves duplicate comments and helps to not forget)
[03:07] <allee> freeflying: better remove manpage.1 until there's a real one
[03:07] <freeflying> allee: y , manpage needs work 
[03:08] <allee> freeflying: menu files: section="Apps/see-menu-manual"  see manual for right proper value. (or, search menu files of other similar apps)
[03:09] <freeflying> allee: I forgot to correct this 
[03:12] <allee> freeflying: you list docs to install in rules and docs file.
[03:15] <allee> freeflying: curious: why don't you use cdbs. I have not seen anything special.  You rules files will get a simple and two include statements (and for free you get a bit more advanced config.* handling)
[03:16] <allee> freeflying: nothing more to 'nag' right now ;)
[04:52] <freeflying> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kopete-meanwhile/+bug/28847
[05:17] <freeflying> Riddell: maininclusionreport about scim are all available now 
[05:54] <spstarr_home> hrm, is it me or KDE can't add new kio-slaves without restarting KDE? is this a bug? 
[05:55] <spstarr_home> if you add a new one, there's no registration process to initiate aside from knowing how to use kioslave (the cli tool)
[06:12] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[07:27] <Mez> LaserJock, It's very early in the morning for him
[07:27] <LaserJock> Mez: thanks, Riddell nevermind I asked somebody else
[09:12] <Mez> Riddell: new katapult is in REVU
[01:00] <teprrr> spstarr_work, run kdeinit, or start the app who wants to use the kioslave from the console
[01:01] <teprrr> when starting from console it won't use kdeinit automatically to speed up the startup
[01:01] <teprrr> and will reload all the libs agin
[01:39] <Riddell> Mez: katapult 0.3.1 gives me lots of "There was some error using DCOP. Perhaps amaroK doesn't run."
[01:39] <Riddell> which isn't the end of the world, but a bit untidy
[01:39] <Riddell> (amarok isn't running)
[01:41] <teprrr> hmm
[01:42] <teprrr> how easy it's to packaging? I mean is it necessary to read some kind of big book like debian has for the packagers?
[01:45] <Riddell> it's easy once you get the idea of it
[01:45] <Riddell> takes an evening or two to work it out and a lifetime to perfect
[01:46] <Riddell> see KubuntuPackagingGuide
[01:47] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[01:48] <Riddell> hi freeflying_ 
[01:51] <freeflying_> Riddell: maininclusionreport about scim are all ok
[01:51] <Riddell> freeflying_: oh yes, I'll check those over and add to UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[01:52] <freeflying_> Riddell: when will the meeting begain ?
[01:53] <Riddell> freeflying_: which meeting?
[01:54] <freeflying_> Riddell: technical board meeting
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying_: that was last night
[01:55] <Riddell> freeflying_: but I asked at a previous meeting and scim is all fine to go into main pending the main inclusion reviews
[01:56] <freeflying_> Riddell:  so nice 
[01:56] <freeflying_> Riddell: will you remove the qtimmodule patch 
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: I'm going to look at that kmail crash today and see what causes it, could be qtimmodule or could be the fontconfig patches I put in qt
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: when affect will removing qtimmodule patch have on using CKJ in kubuntu?
[02:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: sorry ? I've understand the above u've said 
[02:00] <freeflying_> s/I've/I havn't
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: if we remove the qtimmodule patch from qt, does that mean you can't use CKJ in kubuntu?
[02:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: this patch just make it possible that we can use scim instead of xim 
[02:03] <freeflying_> Riddell:  I don't think there will be too much affect in CJK users 
[02:03] <Riddell> so without the patch you can't use scim/skim?
[02:03] <freeflying_> Riddell: no, we can use , just though the xim 
[02:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: http://immodule-qt.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fimmodule_2dqt is a modular, extensible input method subsystem for Qt.
[02:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: It brings functionality similar to the immodule for GTK+ to the Qt library
[02:29] <teprrr> Riddell, hmm. the kubuntupackagingguide doesn't tell me how to create the first changelog.. nor there's dch in dapper at all?
[02:30] <teprrr> Riddell, also makefile -f Makefile.cvs in order to get the configure isn't rat at all
[02:30] <freeflying_> teprrr:  dh_make 
[02:31] <Riddell> dch is in devscripts
[02:31] <Riddell> dh_make will make a sample debian directory with a whole bunch of example files suffixed with .ex
[02:31] <teprrr> oh, wajig whichpkg didn't found it..
[02:31] <Riddell> dch --create  to create one
[02:32] <Riddell> dch isn't in the devscipts description I think so it's hard to find
[02:32] <teprrr> oh, I have debian dir already here with files created by me with help of that wiki page
[02:32] <Riddell> teprrr: do you have something in mind to package?
[02:32] <teprrr> Riddell, kate session menu atm.
[02:33] <Riddell> cool
[02:34] <teprrr> but hmm, how can I get configure script created?
[02:34] <teprrr> shouldn't rules file take care of it automatically?
[02:34] <Riddell> teprrr: KDE packages need make -f Makefile.cvs to make the configure script
[02:35] <Riddell> teprrr: the upstream author should have done that in their release but it looks like they haven't
[02:35] <Riddell> teprrr: so you can either add a rule to debian/rules to run that
[02:35] <teprrr> Riddell, well, I know kde packages need that as I'm a dev of one ;)
[02:35] <teprrr> ah, okay
[02:35] <Riddell> or run it yourself and package the .orig.tar.gz with that having been run and note it in the changelog
[02:36] <Riddell> the source also has a KateSessionMenu-0.1/admin/.svn/ directory which should probably be removed from the .orig.tar.gz
[02:36] <Riddell> (although opinions differ)
[02:37] <teprrr> btw, what kind of directory name should the app have? should it follow the package name or..?
[02:37] <Riddell> yes but all in lower case
[02:37] <Riddell> so that should be changed too
[02:37] <Riddell> katesessionmenu-0.1
[02:40] <teprrr> yes
[02:40] <teprrr> hmm, I should disable unsermake for building, should I?
[02:41] <Riddell> yes
[02:42] <Riddell> unless you want to build with unsermake, that's always fun, but more trouble than it's worth usually
[02:43] <teprrr> yup, install doesn't seem to work..
[02:44] <teprrr> hmm..
[02:48] <teprrr> ahem.. Makefile:661: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).  Stop.
[02:48] <Riddell> which Makefile?
[02:49] <teprrr> make[3] : Entering directory `/home/tpr/storage/kubuntu-packages/katesessionmenu-0.3/obj-i486-linux-gnu/src'
[02:49] <teprrr> worked fine with unsermake.. but gotta go now, bbl
[02:50] <Riddell> try with a fresh source maybe, mixing unsermake and automake might break things
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you able to reupload kwin-style-blended with the files not all set to executable?
[03:21] <jjesse> i noticed the vw-dial is now asking for a phone #, a username and password on apt-get dist-upgrade for dapper, what if you don't have a modem installed?  shouldn't it skip this package?
[03:25] <Riddell> jjesse: I haven't seen that
[03:25] <jjesse> Riddell: really?  just did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on two dapper boxes this mroning and it asked for phone # etc
[03:25] <jjesse> on both of them
[03:26] <Riddell> what version of wvdial?
[03:26] <jjesse> stupdi question, how do i tell?
[03:28] <Riddell> apt-cache show wvdial
[03:28] <Riddell> apt-cache policy wvdial  might be clearer
[03:29] <jjesse> version 1.55-1
[03:30] <Riddell> Setting up wvdial (1.55-1ubuntu1) ...
[03:30] <Riddell> Editing `/etc/wvdial.conf'.
[03:30] <Riddell> Scanning your serial ports for a modem.
[03:30] <Riddell> Modem Port Scan<*1>: S0   S1   S2   S3
[03:30] <Riddell> Sorry, no modem was detected!  Is it in use by another program?
[03:30] <Riddell> Did you configure it properly with setserial?
[03:30] <Riddell> jjesse: do you have a modem installed?
[03:31] <jjesse> Riddell: nope
[03:31] <jjesse> two NICs no modem
[03:33] <Riddell>   * Drop the debconf priority on all questions to "medium", so they don't
[03:33] <Riddell>     show up in a default install (which they did, cause we're in *-desktop)
[03:34] <Riddell> jjesse: infinity is your man to poke
[03:34] <jjesse> on this channel?
[03:35] <Riddell> #ubuntu-devel
[03:35] <Riddell> he's on .au timezone
[03:36] <jjesse> grin i now have channels open for #kubuntu, #kubuntu-devel, #ubuntu-doc, #ubuntu-server, and #ubuntu-devel :)
[03:36] <Riddell> is that all?  you're lucky!
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[03:37] <jjesse> Loan
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[03:37] <jjesse> CDs
[03:37] <jjesse> Safe Deposit Box
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[03:37] <jjesse> opy format. 
[03:37] <jjesse> dang it
[03:37] <jjesse> sorry
[03:37] <jjesse> [09:36]  <pitti> jjesse: known bug, and lots of complaints already :) we'll fix that ASAP
[03:38] <jjesse> don't you hate it when you paste wrong information to wrong place
[03:38] <Tm_T> anyone willing to test se. dapper mirrors?
[03:38] <Tm_T> jjesse: that was very good paste ;)
[03:38] <jjesse> Tm_T: i'm glad you enjoyed it
[03:38] <Tm_T> :)
[04:50] <teprrr> Riddell, didn't help. still the same problem
[04:53] <teprrr> ah, found the problem possibly
[04:53] <teprrr> hmm, no..
[04:54] <Riddell> teprrr: can you get it to build without debian pacackaging stuff?
[04:54] <teprrr>           && $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) dist \
[04:55] <teprrr> hmm, lets try
[04:56] <teprrr> doesn't seem to work.. but 661 is xgettext line there.. and it has those 8 spaces..
[04:56] <Riddell> aah
[04:56] <Riddell> what's the line?
[04:56] <teprrr> Makefile.in isn't generated file, right?
[04:56] <Riddell> and which Makefile?
[04:56] <Riddell> Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.am during the make -f Makefile.cvs stage
[04:56] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[04:57] <teprrr> ah, okay.. src/Makefile.in has those eight spaces to
[04:57] <teprrr> too even..
[04:57] <Riddell> Mez: pong
[04:57] <teprrr> though the Makefile.am contains tab instead of those..
[04:57] <teprrr> automake problem?
[04:57] <Mez> Riddell: nvm - I just checked my email :D
[04:58] <Mez> Riddell - howcome we both got katie output?
[04:58] <Riddell> no idea, katie is a mystery to me
[04:58] <Mez> lol - I've not had katie email since... september
[05:03] <teprrr> Riddell, found the author, he's gonna do some fixing.. :)
[05:05] <Riddell> teprrr: Makefile.am uses spaces on that troublesome line
[05:05] <Riddell> but make -f Makefile.cvs quits for me
[05:06] <teprrr> Riddell, doesn't use here.. :P
[05:06] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[05:08] <Mez> Riddell: looking throught the MOM merge for k3b
[05:09] <Mez> theres a couple of things in the diff.gz that modify files outside of debian/
[05:09] <Mez> should I put those in as patches?
[05:11] <Riddell> Mez: what are they?
[05:11] <Mez> changelog, configure, something I thought I'd added as a patch anyway, directBurn stuff, 
[05:11] <Mez> actually
[05:12] <Mez> tehres a couple of things in there I thought I aded as patches
[05:13] <\sh> Mez: so debian is using diff.gz and not dpatch stuff...can we revert it, to be more closer to debian? (e.g. doing all patch management via bzr?)
[05:14] <Mez> \sh: dunno
[05:14] <Mez> and actually - there are a couple of things in there that debian have included that are from my patches
[05:14] <Mez> actually
[05:15] <Mez> all but one patch isnt included in debian
[05:15] <Mez> and thats a simple enough thing to put into the diff.gz
[05:15] <\sh> Mez: so the debian maintainer put everything directly in the debianized source...(what we have in dpatch files)..It would be a cool thing, to revert to debian packaging and remove the dpatch build-dep then...
[05:16] <teprrr> whee, got it :)
[05:16] <Riddell> hmm, I'd be tempted to keep everything in debian/patches
[05:16] <Riddell> stuff in .diff is just unmaintainable
[05:16] <\sh> Riddell: not when you use bzr :)
[05:16] <Mez> \sh: I totally agree with you - but i agree with Riddell too
[05:17] <\sh> Mez: we all know the problems :) for gajim I reverted all patch stuff to diff.gz and using now bzr repos like this one http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/packages/gajim/
[05:17] <\sh> Mez: so I pick my patches I need, and merge every release into those branches...works like a charm
[05:17] <\sh> and is somehow a manual HCT ;)
[05:18] <Mez> \sh: for gajim I was told that you and the debian were using diffrent rules - thy usedcdbs and you didnt want to
[05:19] <Mez> (lol - I sa someone talking about it in debian-mentors - asked if they'd been orking with you, and got this response
[05:19] <Mez> http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/packages/gajim/
[05:19] <teprrr> anyone wants to voluenteer to test the package? :)
[05:19] <Mez> grr
[05:20] <Mez> AFAIK, he doesn't want to use cdbs, I do. So ubuntu package is different from mine. 
[05:20] <\sh> Mez: well, in the beginning Yann was using debhelper just like us...
[05:20] <\sh> Mez: and when I have time I will adjust to cdbs 
[05:20] <Mez> fair ngouh
[05:20] <Mez> grr
[05:21] <Mez> my e key isnt working right
[05:21] <\sh> Mez: the problem is, that Yann (he not only debian maintainer for this package, but as well upstream) is sometimes a bit slow :)
[05:21] <Mez> ;)
[05:22] <\sh> Mez: but the patches are quite different (lp integration and changing other things sometimes) so it makes no difference to use cdbs or debhelper :)
[05:22] <Mez> fair enoguh
[05:23] <teprrr> http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=30745 - http://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/temp/katesessionmenu_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb - could someone test and tell me if there's something wrong?
[05:23] <teprrr> 16kB download
[05:24] <Riddell> teprrr: I'd need the source
[05:24] <Riddell> teprrr: it should depend on kate
[05:25] <teprrr> ah, yes, indeed..
[05:26] <Riddell> W: katesessionmenu: description-synopsis-might-not-be-phrased-properly
[05:26] <Riddell> W: katesessionmenu: extended-description-line-too-long
[05:26] <Riddell> W: katesessionmenu: wrong-bug-number-in-closes #XXXXXX
[05:26] <teprrr> oh, lintian would be great, I think :)
[05:26] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/28784
[05:26] <\sh> very interesting bug report :)
[05:26] <teprrr> I assume it checks for those?
[05:26] <\sh> bet, he is mixing packages
[05:26] <Riddell> teprrr: lintian checks for them
[05:46] <spstarr_work> teprrr: thanks, I'll try that tonight, I would have thought any new KIOslave would be added to the list of available protocols, i guess its not 'dynamic' like that.
[05:48] <teprrr> spstarr_work, np
[05:55] <teprrr> Riddell, hm. should I make it depend on kicker 3.5.0 too?
[05:55] <Riddell> teprrr: I guess so
[05:58] <teprrr> btw, why debian/rules binary needs root access like clean does. but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot works without root (as expected)..
[05:59] <teprrr> Riddell, about the source. you want the whole dir right?
[05:59] <Riddell> fakeroot means you don't need root
[06:00] <Riddell> teprrr: debuild -S  for source build
[06:00] <Riddell> will make .orig.tar.gz, .diff and .dsc (you have to make the .orig.tar.gz)
[06:01] <teprrr> yes I know fakeroot, but umh.. rules binary needs root for what? shouldn't it use fakeroot too.. :P
[06:07] <Riddell> no, you have to use it manually, same as you do for dpkg-buildpackage
[06:08] <teprrr> ookay, something still to be fixed..
[06:08] <teprrr> W: katesessionmenu source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
[06:08] <teprrr> W: katesessionmenu source: native-package-with-dash-version
[06:09] <Riddell> new speedcrunch out, who wants to package?
[06:09] <Riddell> teprrr: standards version should be 3.6.2 now
[06:09] <Riddell> teprrr: if it thinks it's a native package it's not finding the .orig.tar.gz
[06:09] <Riddell> teprrr: do you have a .orig?
[06:09] <teprrr> Riddell, oh. your example control.ex was using 3.6.1
[06:09] <Riddell> it's wrong then :)
[06:09] <teprrr> :)
[06:10] <teprrr> didn't know what that was for so left it there
[06:10] <pef> Riddell: hello Jonathan :)
[06:10] <teprrr> I have orig .tar.bz2 with different name..
[06:10] <Riddell> teprrr: it means the version of debian-policy that it follows
[06:11] <Riddell> teprrr: you need to rebuild the .tar.bz2 as katesessionmenu_0.1.orig.tar.gz
[06:11] <teprrr> ok, understood.
[06:11] <Riddell> pef: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/speedcrunch-0.7-beta1.tar.gz
[06:11] <Riddell> just incase you wanted to give it a shot :)
[06:12] <pef> Riddell: new upstream version to package ?
[06:12] <Riddell> yes
[06:12] <Riddell> uses qt 4
[06:12] <pef> will do it right now
[06:12] <Riddell> yay :)
[06:13] <pef> I use it very often
[06:13] <Riddell> he gave me an updated man page too http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/speedcrunch.1.docbook
[06:13] <pef> very usefull
[06:14] <teprrr> Riddell, I need to change the orig dir name to lowercase too?
[06:14] <Riddell> teprrr: I usually do
[06:14] <Riddell> but I think the tools are clever enough that you don't need, do whichever is less confusing for you
[06:15] <teprrr> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of directory admin/.svn
[06:16] <teprrr> hmm. I should've deleted that .svn dir, right? :)
[06:16] <Riddell> teprrr: remove that from the .orig
[06:21] <teprrr> hmm, I need to get gpg key?
[06:25] <Riddell> nah, just ignore the error
[06:25] <Riddell> teprrr: although you'll need a gpg key for uploading to revu and when you become a MOTU for uploading to the archives so do look into it when you have a moment
[06:26] <teprrr> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[06:26] <teprrr> debuild: fatal error at line 791:
[06:26] <teprrr> running debsign failed
[06:26] <teprrr> so this isn't a problem?
[06:26] <Riddell> nope, that means it's finished everything it has to do
[06:26] <Riddell> so it's a good error :)
[06:27] <teprrr> okay, thought it'll do something after that :)
[06:27] <teprrr> heh, so you want katesessionmenu_0.3-0ubuntu1.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz?
[06:28] <Riddell> hmm, should be katesessionmenu_0.3.orig.tar.gz
[06:28] <teprrr> mmh
[06:29] <teprrr> yes, indeed
[06:30] <Riddell> katesessionmenu_0.3-0ubuntu1.tar.gz is what it would be called if it was a native package (no .orig)
[06:31] <teprrr> http://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/kubuntu/katesessionmenu/
[06:31] <teprrr> yeah, realised it :)
[06:39] <teprrr> something done wrong in there?
[06:48] <Riddell> teprrr: compat and debhelper is now set to 5 (another recent change)
[06:49] <Riddell> teprrr: licence in source is GPL 2 /or later/, that should be said so in debian/copyright
[06:49] <Riddell> and linked to GPL not GPL-2
[06:50] <pef> Riddell: is sailcut FTBFS or have I a problem with my chroot ?
[06:50] <teprrr> oh, okay.. will take a look in a few hours.. gotta go now
[06:50] <Riddell> pef: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/sailcut/1.2.0-2ubuntu1/  successful
[06:50] <Riddell> just ia64 being weird as usual
[06:51] <Riddell> sailcutqt.cpp: In static member function 'static QString CSailApp::findHandbook(QString)':
[06:51] <Riddell> sailcutqt.cpp:70: error: ambiguous overload for 'operator+' in '"html" + QDir::separator()'
[06:51] <Riddell> hmm, strange
[06:52] <Riddell> needs a cast somewhere presumably but strange that only ia64 is affected
[07:22] <pef> Riddell: have you an idea why debhelper may delete defines parameters passed to gcc ?
[07:23] <pef> Riddell: running make by hand gives me -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_QT3SUPPORT_LIB -DQT3_SUPPORT -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED
[07:23] <pef> using debuild I no longer have thoses, resulting in compilation failing
[07:25] <\sh> pef: cflags override?
[07:25] <pef> \sh: I think so, but seems to be made in debhelper backroom
[07:25] <pef> nothing visible in debian layout
[07:25] <\sh> pef: which package?
[07:25] <pef> Good, your configure finished.  Now run /usr/bin/make.
[07:25] <pef> make -C . CFLAGS="-g -Wall -O2" CXXFLAGS="-g -Wall -O2"  all
[07:25] <pef> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/speedcrunch-0.7-beta1.tar.gz
[07:26] <pef> I'm just upgrading the package to this new upstream release
[07:27] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:27] <\sh> lets see
[07:33] <pef> \sh: I've found http://they.com/doc/cdbs/cdbs.html (see bottom)
[07:33] <\sh> pef: that's what I thought :)
[07:34] <pef> :D
[07:34] <pef> this works
[07:34] <pef> a little bit ugly, isn't it ?
[07:35] <\sh> pef: what about CFLAGS := "-D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_QT3SUPPORT_LIB -DQT3_SUPPORT -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED"
[07:36] <\sh> or whatever cdbs call is for CFLAGS :)
[07:36] <pef> \sh: I presume hard coding something like this may be harmfull on another arches, isn't it ?
[07:37] <\sh> pef: there is no problem when it would use autotools....but it uses "qmake" or something?
[07:37] <pef> \sh: qmake
[07:38] <\sh> but why it overrides this..it should append the cdbs stuff to cflags
[07:39] <pef> grep-available -s Package  libqt4
[07:39] <pef> Package: sailcut
[07:39] <pef> \sh: i think I will copy sailcut's rules file :)
[07:40] <pef> and adapt it, of course
[07:40] <pef> or maybe it's an problem in upstream sources
[07:40] <\sh> Riddell: I just forgot to say "Thank You For The Kubuntu CDs" (and the nice message on your business card :))
[07:43] <\sh> pef: I would say upstyream
[07:43] <pef> \sh: yeah, if cdbs docs says it's upstream bug, they are certainly right
[07:57] <pef> \sh_away: yes, but uvf is thursday :/
[08:01] <pef> yeah, found a solution :)
[08:01] <pef> \sh_away: DEB_MAKE_INVOKE := $(MAKE) does the trick :)
[08:01] <pef> trick used in Debian qt4-x11 package
[08:36] <allee> feel free to comment on codeine: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1525  have a look at debian/TODO for stuff I'm working on now ...
[08:41] <Riddell> allee: how is digikam?
[08:43] <Riddell> allee: doesn't need to build-dep on python, scons brings that in
[08:44] <Riddell> allee: "with a different philosophy" isn't very useful, I'd put "designed to be as simple as possible" there and put the different philosophy stuff in the long description
[08:44] <allee> Riddell: toma feels today like only adding curses to every sentence :(
[08:45] <allee> Riddell: I'll try to catch jokele later ...
[08:46] <Riddell> allee: compat 5?
[08:47] <allee> Riddell: when noone does I would suggest to upload.  _If_ tarball will change (noone found something worht it yet) we could as a last resort add it as a patch and mention it in changelog
[08:47] <Riddell> kubuntu_01_fix_desktop_file.patch  doesn't actually fix anything, just makes it a bit more french :)
[08:47] <allee> Riddell: seen it.  It's even not applied ;)
[08:48] <allee> Riddell: I plan to copy from kmplayer all genericname translation. Both use 'Media Player' 
[08:57] <pef> Riddell: I will upload speedcrunch tomorow 6pm, currently y have docbook2x-man issue and have to leave
[08:58] <pef> I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd
[08:58] <pef> Riddell: if you have an idea: 
[08:59] <Riddell> pef: we might have to hold off on speedcrunch, people don't want qt4 in main for dapper
[08:59] <Riddell> or rename it to speedcrunch-qt4
[08:59] <Riddell> which is a shame
[09:00] <crimsun> I guess I'd better merge qt4-x11_4.1.0-2ubuntu1, then
[09:01] <Riddell> hmm, since when did we alter qt4?
[09:01] <pef> Riddell: sailcut seems to depends on libqt4
[09:01] <crimsun> b-ds afaik
[09:01] <pef> and is already on Dapper
[09:02] <Riddell> pef: but not in main
[09:03] <pef> oh I see :/
[09:03] <pef> arg, I have to go
[09:03] <pef> bye !
[09:04] <Riddell> crimsun: so it is.  would you be able to do the merge then?
[09:04] <crimsun> Riddell: yep, just checking if it can be synced first (b-d, asking siretart)
[09:04] <Riddell> thanks
[09:06] <allee> back
[09:06] <allee> Riddell: thx, suggestion make lot of sense.  Adding ..
[09:08] <Riddell> allee: builds (apart from patch) and runs fine
[09:10] <allee> Riddell: good, same here.
[09:12] <sebas> Riddell: The big box arrived.
[09:12] <Riddell> sebas: awooga
[09:12] <allee> Mez: fwiw: katapult writes lots of stuff ot stdout
[09:12] <sebas> Now I'd be able to instal 550 machines at once. ;-)
[09:41] <allee> sebas: with which software tool?
[09:48] <teprrr> Riddell, looks like debhelper depend is set by cdbs.. changed compat to 5. but how's this license thing? COPYING mentions version 2 only
[09:48] <crimsun> teprrr: 2 of GPL
[09:49] <teprrr> crimsun, yep
[09:49] <crimsun> err, I'm lacking context.
[09:49] <crimsun> is there some confusion between compat==5 and GPL v2?
[09:50] <teprrr> crimsun, nope. I just tried to make my first package and Riddell was helping me with this :)
[09:50] <teprrr> btw, what's this compat file used actually?
[09:52] <crimsun> teprrr: it's used to tell debhelper what it can['t]  do
[09:53] <teprrr> okay
[09:54] <crimsun> each number denotes a significant set of changes
[09:55] <crimsun> for instance, v5 introduces the ignoring of comments in debhelper files and changes to the semantics of dh_strip, for instance
[09:55] <crimsun> apparently I'm in redundant mode today
[09:55] <teprrr> heh, okay, so that's not really my business atm :)
[09:56] <teprrr> would you like to check if there's something wrong in this package?
[09:56] <crimsun> I have a few minutes, sure
[09:56] <teprrr> [19:41:06]  < Riddell> teprrr: licence in source is GPL 2 /or later/, that should be said so in debian/copyright
[09:56] <teprrr> [19:41:11]  < Riddell> and linked to GPL not GPL-2
[09:57] <teprrr> btw, why the link should point to GPL instead of GPL-2?
[09:57] <teprrr> if it's v2 or later
[09:57] <crimsun> because GPL-2 is too constraining
[09:57] <crimsun> the GPL symlink will point to GPL-2, but it's not limited to GPL-2
[09:58] <crimsun> (i.e., you can change the GPL symlink, but you can't change GPL-2)
[09:58] <teprrr> ah yes, got it :)
[10:02] <teprrr> http://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/kubuntu/katesessionmenu/ -- okay, they're there now
[10:03] <teprrr> hmm, pot file isn't created..
[10:03] <crimsun> something's odd.
[10:03] <crimsun> that diff is huge
[10:04] <teprrr> well, it contains Makefile.in's created by make which weren't in the source package
[10:05] <crimsun> ah, you're using DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL. No wonder.
[10:05] <teprrr> oh, it shouldn't be used?
[10:06] <crimsun> well, do you have a specific reason for using it?
[10:06] <crimsun> you /can/ use it, but some people consider it dangerous
[10:07] <crimsun> don't b-d on build-essential
[10:07] <crimsun> ack, that's added by cdbs
[10:07] <teprrr> oh, and it has diff for configure too
[10:07] <crimsun> personally I'd drop DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL and explicitly use the b-ds
[10:08] <teprrr> 1020K   configure
[10:08] <teprrr> that ain't small either
[10:08] <crimsun> it's a much better idea to patch .ac or .in as necessary, then invoke autoreconf in debian/rules
[10:08] <crimsun> there's a cdbs hook for it
[10:08] <teprrr> oh, got that line from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[10:09] <teprrr> or invoke make -f Makefile.cvs from rules?
[10:10] <crimsun> you shouldn't have to
[10:11] <crimsun> you have automake and autoconf templates in the, so unless you patch them, you don't need the .ins. 
[10:11] <crimsun> in the orig tarball
[10:11] <teprrr> hmmm
[10:12] <crimsun> ok, you guys have a different set of rules for KDE cvs
[10:13] <teprrr> so what should I do? :)
[10:14] <teprrr> kde cvs has its own build system hack, yes
[10:14] <crimsun> work within kde cvs's
[10:14] <crimsun> but yes, call make -f Makefile.cvs from within debian/rules
[10:14] <crimsun> probably need a hook for cdbs
[10:15] <crimsun> that will save you having .ins and configure inside the diff
[10:22] <teprrr> hmm, how should I clean up the directory after binary package building? as it now creates those .ins and configure they're diffed against the original
[10:24] <teprrr> get a tarball and extract it always after having build binary?
[10:53] <allee> teprrr: DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL is discuraged in debian!  When you don't use it.  Is there still a need update .am or .in?
[10:55] <teprrr> allee, hmm, what do you mean?
[10:56] <allee> teprrr: let me try other way round.  why do you need more that just include debhelper.mk and kde.mk?
[10:57] <allee> + in rules
[10:57] <teprrr> allee, there is no Makefile.ins nor configure script in orig package
[10:58] <allee> teprrr: oh!  
[10:59] <teprrr> the author said it'd increase the size of the source package too much :P
[10:59] <allee> teprrr: well first, mail upstream.  Maybe you are lucky and he run make -f Makefile.cvs and releases a new tarball
[10:59] <allee> teprrr: oh!
[10:59] <teprrr> though maybe I could encourage him to do it somehow.. :p
[11:00] <teprrr> makebuilddir/::
[11:00] <teprrr>         make -f Makefile.cvs
[11:00] <allee> teprrr: that would be best!  He should not burden trouble on his users!
[11:01] <allee> teprrr: hmm, wasn't there a dist-clean or svn-clean cvs-clean rules?
[11:02] <teprrr> well, the package should be built in fakeroot, though I still see the configure script and some others which shouldn't be done
[11:02] <allee> teprrr: if you find mothing handy.  have a look at the diff and add find . -name ... | xargs rm -f  to it until everything generated is gone
[11:02] <teprrr> but there's no Makefile at all
[11:03] <allee> after you run Makefile.cvs and configure there are Makefile.  So they are available in clean:: is running
[11:03] <teprrr> oh, I should add it to rules, yes.
[11:03] <teprrr> but I'll try to talk to the author first
[11:04] <allee> teprrr: that's a good idea.  I he want's to save size he should switch to scons
[11:06] <allee> teprrr: don't tell him about scons.  The switch to scons takes time. Tell him after he released the updates tarball ;) Heh,heh
[11:07] <teprrr> well, this thing will be prolly in kde4, so it'll use scons in the future :)
[11:07] <teprrr> but for now, I don't think he will do the change just for this one :)
[11:09] <allee> teprrr: okay so you have to stick with make -f Makefile.cvs and find+rm,  crazy
[11:11] <allee> teprrr: mhmm, there also the possibility that you run make -f Makefile.cvs once by hand.  Diff the tree. and put this all into a single diff that gets applied with simple-patchsys.mk
[11:11] <allee> teprrr: don't be afraid about the size.  Its just tarball smaller and diff bigger.
[11:12] <allee> teprrr: when next release add .in etc you just have to remove the diff
[11:12] <teprrr> well, but isn't it better if I can get the author to run make -f Makefile? :)
[11:12] <allee> done
[11:13] <teprrr> as I'm not in hurry here.. he's just been away for a ten minutes or so now :P
[11:13] <allee> yes, force and kick him hard.
[11:13] <OpsVentus> Right now I'm using Qt3 for GUI (in combination with c++) but now I'm thinking about updating to Qt4 but this is a large change, so I want to check if Qt4 is the way to go or if there's a bettercross-platform(mainl y KDE/GNOME/Windows/OSX) toolkit for small programs?
[11:13] <allee> teperr: the diff is just a simple quick workaround
[11:14] <allee> teperr: no weird clean: rule no blowed build depends. No waste of cpu cycles for Makefile.cvs run
[11:14] <teprrr> I'd prefer qt4, but sure there's wxwidgets at least too..
[11:14] <teprrr> it uses gtk on *nix
[11:15] <teprrr> qt4 memory print has been decreased from qt3 too
[11:15] <OpsVentus> anything Qt4 can't do what other programs can?
[11:16] <teprrr> and you can create non-gui programs with it now without linking against gui stuff
[11:16] <OpsVentus> I mean toolkits
[11:16] <teprrr> no idea, I don't think so. but it's gpl licensed
[11:16] <teprrr> I haven't coded with anything else but qt :)
[11:17] <OpsVentus> yeah, that's why I wanted to update to 4, but the reason I started with qt was beacause it's easy but now with 4 you have to write your own project-files and more
[11:17] <OpsVentus> but that's ok, got enough xp now
[11:18] <OpsVentus> and, how do's it look on GNOME and KDE in comparison with other toolkits?
[11:18] <teprrr> own project-files? hmm..
[11:19] <teprrr> well, qt4 isn't much used yet.. kde is undergoing porting atm
[11:20] <OpsVentus> I mean Qt3 writes the .pro-file's for you and with Qt4 you have to write it yourself
[11:20] <OpsVentus> yeah, it's still not in apt-get so I just downloaded from trolltech
[11:21] <teprrr> well, in dapper there's qt4 in repositories
[11:24] <teprrr> well, at least qt4's documentation says you can still use qmake -project to create the .pro file
[11:24] <teprrr> but I don't know.. haven't used qt project stuff actually at all
[11:24] <teprrr> but sleeping time, nights
[11:31] <OpsVentus> ok, I'm going for Qt4 then
[11:32] <OpsVentus> next question: I wrote a Sudoku game, any intressed to include this in (K)Ubuntu?
[11:36] <allee> OpsVentus: add it to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[11:37] <OpsVentus> Well I'm asking the people at ubuntu-motu first(don't want to open wiki if there's no intresse)