[12:06] <ninnghizidha> I got a problem. I'd like to enter my mounted windows-drive, but the folder looks like this and deonst let me in.
[12:07] <ninnghizidha> dr-x------   1 root root 4096 2006-01-17 17:54 windows
[12:07] <ninnghizidha> if i chmod g+rx, it says, that the filesystem is just readable.
[12:08] <ninnghizidha> i cant get in!! *cry*
[12:08] <neoncode> Hey I'm helping my friend to use repos and i'm walking him though how to enable universe and multiverse repos. You just uncomment the last 2 lines and put multiverse on the end of them right? in the defult apt.sources?
[12:09] <ninnghizidha> the default-apt-source should have comments for multiverse too
[12:10] <neoncode> ttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/510665
[12:10] <neoncode> that's his sources.list
[12:10] <ninnghizidha> universe ie 19-20
[12:10] <ninnghizidha> is on line 19-20
[12:11] <ninnghizidha> multiverse is missing.
[12:11] <kkathman> neoncode:  he needs to comment line 1 out too
[12:11] <bimberi> neoncode: yep, lines 19 and 20 as well
[12:11] <ninnghizidha> wanna have those two multiverse-lines?
[12:11] <neoncode> why comment out line one?
[12:11] <kkathman> neoncode: cuz having the cd rom in there now will mess things up
[12:12] <kkathman> just a # in front will do
[12:12] <neoncode> ok and doing that will enable universe right?
[12:13] <bimberi> kkathman: mess things up? well it will might occasionally ask for it to be inserted
[12:13] <ninnghizidha> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/510675
[12:13] <ninnghizidha> thats right .. my link points to multiverse
[12:13] <kkathman> it will mess things up...it causes problems
[12:13] <ninnghizidha> never heard about causing the cd trouble
[12:13] <kkathman> we actually should remove it after install anyway :)
[12:14] <kkathman> shrug..suit yerself :)
[12:14] <bimberi> :)
[12:14] <neoncode> I still have my CD repo. Usefull if I ever uninstall something core... >.>
[12:15] <neoncode> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" right? This guy has not used repos before.... he needs updates
[12:18] <lusus> Live CD distros rock
[12:19] <Vge> have to aggree
[12:22] <neoncode> hey should "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" free disk space?
[12:24] <Keyseir> I had an error while 'make'ing Mac On Linux on breezy. Did it from the tgz. The configure went fine, but the make had errors. The error is here: http://pastebin.com/510689 if someone would take a look. Thanks.
[12:30] <devilz>  can i ask how can i get back into my linux, i installed windows and i cant see boot loader too choose windows or linux
[12:30] <devilz> and now i cant see linux
[12:30] <devilz> how can i see my linux agian
[12:30] <teclis> hello, I have a little problem with Knode. I can't configure it, because the config-menu is empty. :( Can anyone help me? Maybe a package is missing?
[12:32] <Vge> devilz: use your resquedisket
[12:32] <devilz> id ont have it
[12:33] <bimberi> ubotu tell devilz about recovergrub
[12:33] <Zappa> when i try and mount a samba share using the smbfs type, it fails and i have an error in my syslog which reads "smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported"
[12:33] <Zappa> anyone seen that before?
[12:34] <devilz> i write rescue and i get setup
[12:36] <bimberi> Zappa: have you installed smbfs?
[12:38] <neoncode> is konquror a multi-threaded FTP client?
[12:41] <tictric> why do you need a multi-threaded ftp client?
[12:43] <Arcanimus> hey guys
[12:43] <deacon> Greetings all
[12:43] <Arcanimus> i need teh help plx: My network doesn't work at all after i restarted the comp
[12:43] <Arcanimus> formatted twice, still happens after that first restart
[12:43] <Arcanimus> works fine before it though
[12:44] <Arcanimus> i am so pissed off right now at this issue - i have no clue how to fix it; never seen this problem before
[12:44] <Red_Herring> for the dapper flight 3, my cursor is SO FREAKING SLOW
[12:44] <Red_Herring> ideas on why?
[12:44] <deacon> Acanimus:  Check /etc/network/interfaces and make sure your network settings are correct under the section for your NIC
[12:44] <Red_Herring> i am on a laptop, using a touchpad
[12:44] <Arcanimus> i didn't change it though deacon
[12:44] <Arcanimus> like it works perfect, everything
[12:44] <Arcanimus> and then i restart
[12:44] <Arcanimus> and no network at all
[12:45] <Arcanimus> unless it configs itself during shutdown to purposely screw up
[12:45] <deacon> Arcanimus:  True, but sometimes, especially if you have used the GUI network config tool, it won't write correctly to that file.
[12:45] <Arcanimus> hmm ok lemme go check brb
[12:46] <Vge> gui one totally screws it in KDE atleast
[12:46] <tictric> Arcanimus: you installed dapper by any chance?
[12:46] <Red_Herring> anyone know why my touchpad in dapper flight 3 has so incredibly slow cursor speed?
[12:47] <deacon> Ok, now for my issue:  I am trying to get the Nvidia 64 bit drivers installed.  I am at the command line, and it keeps erroring out trying to find cc.  I have both the gcc-3.4 and 4.0 base files installed, but no joy.  Any ideas?
[12:47] <Red_Herring> yup
[12:47] <Red_Herring> im not at all sure about this one,
[12:47] <Red_Herring> but here goes:
[12:48] <Red_Herring> cc=gcc-3.4
[12:48] <Red_Herring> export cc
[12:48] <Red_Herring> then run it again in teh same terminal
[12:48] <tictric> deacon: I just installed amd64 system and nvidia drivers from the distribution work just fine
[12:48] <Arcanimus> ok deacon i'm back
[12:48] <Red_Herring> deacon: did you read the howto?
[12:48] <Arcanimus> err i deleted my wireless from the config file
[12:48] <Arcanimus> and then used kcontrol to enable
[12:49] <Arcanimus> this time it actually got enabled BUT
[12:49] <Red_Herring> uhh
[12:49] <deacon> Arcanimus:  did it work?
[12:49] <Arcanimus> i still can't access the network
[12:49] <Arcanimus> i'm trying restarting the comp
[12:49] <Red_Herring> try the terminal?
[12:49] <Arcanimus> as we speak
[12:49] <Arcanimus> so brb again
[12:49] <Arcanimus> :\
[12:49] <Red_Herring> i use it all the time for wirless stuff
[12:49] <deacon> godluck
[12:49] <deacon> *good
[12:49] <Red_Herring> deacon: did you check the forums?
[12:49] <Red_Herring> i think there was some mention of how to get around that
[12:50] <deacon> Red_Herring:  Yeah, that's where I got the original instructions from.
[12:50] <Red_Herring> did you try the cc=gcc3.4... stuff
[12:50] <deacon> Yeah.  that didn't work.  "Export"  is not a command
[12:50] <Red_Herring> not with a capital E
[12:50] <Red_Herring> export is
[12:50] <deacon> nope, lower case doesn't work either
[12:51] <Red_Herring> uhh
[12:51] <Red_Herring> i just tried it now
[12:51] <Red_Herring> you sure?
[12:51] <tictric> Red_Herring: have you tried settings with ksynaptics?
[12:51] <Red_Herring> ksynaptics?
[12:51] <deacon> here's the command I type in:  sudo export CC =/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[12:51] <Red_Herring> you gotta do that in multiple lines deacon
[12:52] <Red_Herring> first sudo -s
[12:52] <tictric> Red_Herring: graphical synaptics config tool
[12:52] <deacon> ok..
[12:52] <deacon> I'm on my other machine at command line now
[12:52] <Red_Herring> then cc=/usr/bin/gcc3.4
[12:52] <Red_Herring> then export cc
[12:52] <Red_Herring> tictric: im using the livecd, there is no ksynaptics
[12:53] <tictric> gcc-3.3
[12:53] <tictric> gcc-3.4 I mean
[12:53] <deacon> ok.
[12:53] <tictric> don't forget that dash :-)
[12:53] <deacon> that seemed to work.  trying the nvidia drivers now...
[12:53] <Vge> drums
[12:53] <tictric> Red_Herring: its in universe
[12:53] <deacon> nope.  gcc-version-check-failed
[12:54] <tictric> deacon: why don't you take the drivers from the distribution?
[12:54] <Red_Herring> is ot a good idea to be installing software to a livecd?
[12:55] <deacon> tictric:  I want to game on it.
[12:55] <tictric> Red_Herring: never tried it :-) I just swap harddrives
[12:55] <tictric> deacon: so? apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:56] <deacon> those drivers don't support open GL or 3d processing.  you HAVE to have the Nvidia binaries.
[12:56] <tictric> and apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-(your kernel version)
[12:56] <tictric> hell they do on my machine with a 6600
[12:56] <deacon> they fail the Cedega opn GL and 3d processing tests
[12:57] <Red_Herring> deacon: no, the actual nvidia drivers are in the repos
[12:57] <Red_Herring> they are slightly outdated
[12:57] <Red_Herring> but they still have opengl and 3d support
[12:57] <deacon> well, I'll try shoving them back in again...
[12:58] <deacon> rebooting
[12:58] <deacon> the other machine
[12:58] <Red_Herring> ah, i see the bug
[12:58] <Red_Herring> the live cd does not have synaptic drivers on it
[12:59] <Red_Herring> deacon: personally, i just ditched 64 bit because most things nice are 32 bit, wine, etc.
[01:00] <tictric> Red_Herring: and that didn't work with them 32bit compat libs?
[01:00] <Red_Herring> not sure
[01:00] <Red_Herring> i couldnt install it
[01:00] <Red_Herring> because it wasnt in the repos
[01:01] <Red_Herring> i could make a 32 bit envornment, and chroot into it, then install wine, but why bother
[01:01] <Red_Herring> plenty of other things about 64 bit are subpar to the polished 32bit version
[01:02] <Red_Herring> anyone here able to make scripts that ship w/ kubuntu?
[01:02] <Red_Herring> because i have a suggestion
[01:02] <deacon> Red_Herring:  Well if you want to go and buy me another $1500 worth of Mobo, Ram, and Processor so I can setup a 32 bit gaming rig, I can give you my mailing address.  otherwise I'm stuck with 64 bit.  lol!
[01:02] <Arcanimus> gah
[01:02] <Arcanimus> deacon
[01:02] <Arcanimus> i figured out what's wrong
[01:02] <Red_Herring> deacon: what processor are you using, an itanium>
[01:03] <deacon> AMD 64
[01:03] <Arcanimus> apparently it doesn't wanna recognize a static interface
[01:03] <Red_Herring> because amd64 are backwards compatable w/ 32 bit
[01:03] <Arcanimus> it works for DHCP
[01:03] <Arcanimus> but if i change it to static
[01:03] <Arcanimus> it just doesn't work at all
[01:03] <Arcanimus> even if everything is written in correctly
[01:03] <Arcanimus> -_-
[01:03] <Red_Herring> im running ubuntu 32 bit on my amd 64 3500+
[01:03] <Red_Herring> it works like a charm ;-)
[01:03] <deacon> Arcanimus:  just configure the interface file maually.  it takes 30 seconds, and will work with static config
[01:04] <Arcanimus> i did config it manually
[01:04] <Arcanimus> i just tried
[01:04] <Arcanimus> but it just doesn't work
[01:04] <deacon> did you remember the gateway address?
[01:04] <Arcanimus> i changed dhcp to static
[01:04] <Arcanimus> put:
[01:04] <Arcanimus> gateway 192.168.2.1
[01:04] <Red_Herring> personally, i see no need for a wireless computer to NOT use dhcp
[01:04] <Arcanimus> subnet 255.255.255.0
[01:04] <Red_Herring> why use static anyway?
[01:04] <Arcanimus> and the ip addy
[01:04] <Red_Herring> seriously
[01:04] <Vge> did you restart the network after changes?
[01:04] <Arcanimus> because static is what i prefer
[01:04] <Red_Herring> but why>
[01:04] <Arcanimus> i know exactly what comp is what ip
[01:04] <Arcanimus> i have like 10 comps in my house
[01:05] <Red_Herring> are you port forewarding or soemthing?
[01:05] <Arcanimus> :\
[01:05] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:05] <Arcanimus> whith dhcp it's a bit hectic
[01:05] <Red_Herring> true
[01:05] <Arcanimus> and yes i do use port forwarding
[01:05] <Arcanimus> not really on my kubuntu box
[01:05] <Red_Herring> but some cards dont like to not use dhcp :-(
[01:05] <Arcanimus> mainly just on my slackware serveer
[01:05] <Arcanimus> no my card is fine
[01:05] <Arcanimus> it's an Intel Gigabit LAN
[01:05] <Red_Herring> well, the drivers
[01:05] <Arcanimus> controller on my asus mobo
[01:05] <Red_Herring> the drivers under linux
[01:06] <Arcanimus> oh
[01:06] <_jon> Red_Herring: i just read up ab it, im running an AMD athlon 3200+ and im using 32 bit kubuntu as well
[01:06] <Arcanimus> well w/e
[01:06] <Arcanimus> anyways my network is working
[01:06] <Arcanimus> anyone tried KMyFirewall?
[01:06] <Arcanimus> if so, any good?
[01:06] <Red_Herring> _jon: do ya think its less buggy than 64 bit?
[01:07] <_jon> Red_Herring: yes, I had a VERY hard time with 64bit
[01:07] <_jon> guess he didnt care
[01:07] <_jon> :P
[01:07] <Arcanimus> anyways, going back on kubuntu box
[01:07] <Arcanimus> *walks upstairs*
[01:07] <deacon> Arcanimus:  This is what you do.  Go to /etc/network and right click the interfaces file and select "edit as root"  after entering your password the file will open.  scroll down to the section for your nic and add these 3 lines.  address <your IP addy>, netmask <your subnet mask> , gateway <your default gateway>  leave DNS blank and Kubuntu will fill that in automatically from your DHCP.  reboot and it shjoud work fine.
[01:08] <deacon> oh crud.  missed him
[01:09] <flipjarg> !info cervesia
[01:09] <flipjarg> !info bittorrent
[01:09] <ubotu> bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-3ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 536 kB
[01:10] <flipjarg> i'm using Ktorrent right now but i keeps locking up has anyone else had that problem.
[01:11] <_jon> hey i have a .bin file how do i open it?
[01:11] <deacon> be back later
[01:11] <flipjarg> 'cd .bin
[01:11] <_jon> huh?
[01:11] <flipjarg> "cd .bin"
[01:11] <flipjarg> in command line
[01:12] <_jon> i dont know wut that means
[01:12] <flipjarg> cd= change directory
[01:12] <_jon> its on my desktop
[01:12] <flipjarg> oh
[01:12] <_jon> hldsupdatetool.bin
[01:12] <flipjarg> is it visible to you without using a program?
[01:12] <_jon> no
[01:12] <flipjarg> oh ic
[01:12] <flipjarg> use  a text editor
[01:12] <flipjarg> kate
[01:12] <flipjarg> is one
[01:13] <flipjarg> !info kate
[01:13] <ubotu> kate: (advanced text editor for KDE), section editors, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu6 (breezy), Packaged size: 612 kB, Installed size: 1960 kB
[01:13] <_jon> eer
[01:13] <_jon> its for linux
[01:13] <_jon> i wanna install
[01:13] <UsefulIdiot> is there any way to install kde using apt?
[01:13] <UsefulIdiot> kdevelop*
[01:13] <flipjarg> !info kdevelop
[01:13] <UsefulIdiot> !info kdevelop
[01:14] <UsefulIdiot> i guess not :p
[01:14] <flipjarg> not a package.
[01:14] <flipjarg> lol
[01:15] <flipjarg> _jon, if you downloaded the package yourself go the the directory the file is in and then type "apt-get install packagename.extension
[01:15] <UsefulIdiot> and also, is there a show desktop shortcut / key combo for kde?
[01:15] <flipjarg> "ctrl+alt+d"
[01:15] <flipjarg> i think its a standard linux shortcut
[01:15] <UsefulIdiot> thx, im used to win+d
[01:16] <flipjarg> UsefulIdiot: yeah, it's hard to get used too. i'm trying to find out where the script is to change that. i don't want my windows key to be used for nothing. It's wasted space if it has no use.
[01:16] <null> hi all
[01:16] <null> does universe have kde packages?
[01:16] <null> or i have to add kbuntu sources to my sources.list?
[01:17] <flipjarg> are you talking about repos.
[01:17] <Vge> http://www.daskeyboard.com/ <-- only kind of keyboard i could get used to :/
[01:17] <Vge> actually i have similar (homemade) :)
[01:17] <flipjarg> Vge: Yeah i love those. i miss mine
[01:18] <flipjarg> null: are you talking about adept?
[01:18] <null> err..
[01:18] <null> not really
[01:18] <null> can i install kde 3.5 by just doing install kbuntu-desktop ?
[01:18] <flipjarg> null, are you talking about apt-get repos?
[01:21] <flipjarg> null, if you download the kde 3.5 file and use "apt-get install kde3.5filename" it will probably work.
[01:21] <null> eh..
[01:21] <null> flipjarg, i just installed breezy..
[01:21] <flipjarg> ah.
[01:21] <null> so i can just go ahead and do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get kde 3.5 ?
[01:22] <null> or do i have to add some sources or something?
[01:22] <bimberi> !kde3.5
[01:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[01:23] <Zappa> null: just add the source and upgrade - works a treat
[01:23] <null> so i have to add this source?
[01:23] <flipjarg> Does anyone know where i can get bittorrent-gui and bittorrent? Not the ones that come with kubuntu though. It's not the same as the bittorrent i used before.
[01:23] <Zappa> use azureus!
[01:24] <flipjarg> It's the same but just looks different, it looks crappier.
[01:24] <flipjarg> i used too i guess i'll give it a try again.
[01:25] <Vge> reminder to self "windows xp needs more than 5GB HDD"
[01:25] <null> can someone tell me what the heck is the difference between universe and multiverse?
[01:25] <bimberi> !components
[01:25] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[01:27] <null> since i have 'main' in the sources list already, and i add the kbuntu 3.5 location..
[01:28] <null> how the heck will synaptic know to get the new version of kubuntu-desktop from the kbuntu repo instead of the older version from main ?
[01:28] <bimberi> null: you just add that line to your sources.list, leave the rest of the file unchanged
[01:29] <null> bimberi, ok. so it will get me 3.5 and not whatever older version is there by default in main ?
[01:29] <bimberi> null: when you tell it to upgrade it will look for the latest version in the available repositories
[01:29] <null> ok
[01:29] <bimberi> null: that's right :)
[01:30] <null> okies kool
[01:31] <null> what about development packages for kde >?
[01:33] <bimberi> null: you can use the build-dep and source commands to apt-get to get those
[01:34] <null> hmm will need to check out those
[01:35] <bimberi> null: or do you man development environments (such as kdevelop)?
[01:35] <null> bimberi, no i mean i ompile some kde application from source like kile, amarok] 
[01:35] <Red_Herring> anyone here able to write scripts to be included in kubuntu?
[01:35] <Red_Herring> becasue i have an idea
[01:36] <Red_Herring> that i know is very easy to do, but have know idea how to incorperate it into kde
[01:36] <bimberi> null: ok, what i said first applies then :)
[01:36] <Red_Herring> how bout a .iso mounting script?
[01:37] <null> hmm iso mounting script, is oneliner,i mean from cmd line isnt ?
[01:37] <Red_Herring> yeah
[01:37] <Red_Herring> but theres a bit more to it
[01:37] <Red_Herring> like there needs to be that folder to be made
[01:37] <null> yeah
[01:38] <Red_Herring> so its not that hard to incorperate into kde right?
[01:38] <Red_Herring> ive never done anything like that, so i dont know what on earth to do
[01:39] <bimberi> Red_Herring: there is #kubuntu-devel or the mailing list ( http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel )
[01:39] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:47] <ryanakca> does anyone know of a good HOWTO on updating from kernel 2.6.12 that came with kubuntu breezy to kernel 2.6.15?
[01:47] <null> ok..
[01:47] <null> how do i update to kde 3.5 from synaptic?
[01:48] <Red_Herring> look at teh kubuntu homepage
[01:48] <null> i just added the kde3.5 source from kubuntu to my sources.list
[01:48] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:48] <Red_Herring> apt-get update
[01:48] <null> should i apt-get update kubuntu-desktop ?
[01:48] <Red_Herring> apt-get upgrade
[01:48] <Red_Herring> no
[01:48] <Red_Herring> just do an entire system update
[01:48] <null> or cannot do from synaptic?
[01:49] <Red_Herring> you can use any frontend you want
[01:49] <Red_Herring> just reload the package list in synaptic
[01:49] <Red_Herring> and click upgrade
[01:49] <KonvIRC> hi
[01:49] <null> there wasn;t a kubuntu-desktop package!
[01:49] <Red_Herring> it doesnt matter
[01:49] <Red_Herring> just run apt-get upgrade
[01:50] <Red_Herring> you *DO* have kde installed, right?
[01:50] <Red_Herring> just not 3.5
[01:50] <KonvIRC> I try to run adept, but they say : The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, how I can unlock APT database?
[01:50] <Red_Herring> sudo?
[01:51] <null> Red_Herring, yeah..
[01:51] <bimberi> !kdesu
[01:51] <ubotu> kdesu is, like, :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[01:51] <Red_Herring> so just open up the termial
[01:51] <Red_Herring> run "sudo apt-get update"
[01:51] <Red_Herring> and "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[01:51] <Red_Herring> update reloads the package lists
[01:52] <Red_Herring> upgrade performs the Acutal package installatoins
[01:53] <ryanakca> anyone know how to upgrade from breezy's 2.6.12 kernel to 2.6.15 kernel using apt (if possible.... something wich I highly doupt) or does ubuntu/kubuntu have a good HOWTO or Tutorial on updating kernels?
[01:53] <Red_Herring> ryanakca: why do you need to update it
[01:54] <Red_Herring> unless you have a REAL need to, its safer and more reliable to just keep the kernel you have
[01:54] <Red_Herring> but if you insist, there is a good howto, just search ubuntuforums.org
[01:54] <ryanakca> kk
[01:55] <ryanakca> I dont have an absolute die if I dont update it need....
[01:55] <ryanakca> I'm just doing it to explore.... the basic reason of me installing linux.... I have backups and everything of my hard-drive too, so I'm not too too worried if something messes up....
[01:56] <soccerfiend> you can follow kernel how-tos, then instead of running make, run "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image"
[01:57] <soccerfiend> building your own kernel is probably not one of the first things you jump into
[01:58] <Red_Herring> do you agree soccerfiend, that it is best to just use the kernel ubuntu comes with?
[01:58] <soccerfiend> for a new user, absolutely
[01:58] <soccerfiend> even though my uname -a says
[01:58] <soccerfiend> Linux hadron 2.6.15-mm4.gbj01 #1 Mon Jan 16 00:20:02 MST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:59] <Red_Herring> so why did you install 2.6.15?
[01:59] <soccerfiend> though I would grab a kernel that more closely matches your hardware than the default i386
[01:59] <Red_Herring> well
[01:59] <Red_Herring> i may be mistaken
[01:59] <Red_Herring> but cant you install linux-i686
[01:59] <soccerfiend> because my laptop has a ton of unknown devices
[01:59] <Red_Herring> which installes the i686 kernel, and modules
[02:00] <jindiaz> anyone using dc++ here?
[02:00] <Red_Herring> ah, that makes sense
[02:00] <soccerfiend> my laptop is actually a Turion based compaq, with an ATI chipset (not just video).  Loads of fun
[02:00] <Red_Herring> huh
[02:01] <Red_Herring> mine's a crap laptop w/ hardware i have no clue of
[02:01] <jindiaz> aight anyone knoe the best player to use, or where to get a codecs download???
[02:01] <jindiaz> like ace mega codecs pack for windows
[02:02] <Red_Herring> good question
[02:02] <Red_Herring> ffmpeg is a nice one
[02:02] <Red_Herring> but w32codecs is nice
[02:02] <Red_Herring> but the best bet is to use automatox
[02:02] <jindiaz> ffmpeg huh... aight are those in the adept thing??
[02:02] <Red_Herring> *automatix
[02:02] <jindiaz> im new to linux
[02:02] <Red_Herring> yup, its in by default
[02:02] <jindiaz> and now hate windows
[02:03] <jindiaz> so the conversion is abit troublesome
[02:03] <Red_Herring> Nice :-)
[02:03] <Red_Herring> well i understand
[02:03] <Vge> Mplayer is pretty nice for a player
[02:03] <Red_Herring> i suggest you check out vlc
[02:03] <Red_Herring> which is a media player
[02:03] <jindiaz> vlc?
[02:03] <Red_Herring> that can pretty much play ANYTHING
[02:03] <jindiaz> ok, i can get these all from the adept thing right?
[02:03] <Vge> is vlc for linux too?
[02:03] <Red_Herring> vlc? yeah
[02:03] <Red_Herring> vlc is for all OSs
[02:04] <jindiaz> and can i ask, how does the storage media thing work, like how do i access my drives?
[02:04] <Red_Herring> ah
[02:04] <soccerfiend> I use xine and mplayer myself, but I would try them out and find the ones that you like best
[02:04] <Vge> buaha, thease things get better and better ;)
[02:04] <Red_Herring> good question
[02:04] <Red_Herring> "/media"
[02:04] <Red_Herring> its a folder
[02:04] <jindiaz> yah but i dont see my main drive there, like the drive which linus is installed
[02:04] <Red_Herring> you cant see that
[02:05] <Red_Herring> let me explain how unix works
[02:05] <Red_Herring> for windows, they use names like c:
[02:05] <Red_Herring> d:, e:
[02:05] <Red_Herring> but in linux, you mount the drives in folders
[02:05] <Red_Herring> so your linux drive is mounted on /
[02:05] <Red_Herring> the first folder
[02:06] <Red_Herring> and most other drives are mounted in /media/
[02:06] <jindiaz> oooooooooooo.... ok ok, im sorta getting it, cause i need to create folders for storage there
[02:06] <Vge> http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/machater.html linux is like this, if you have just started to work with it
[02:06] <Red_Herring> nice site
[02:07] <Red_Herring> its hard explaining this over irc
[02:07] <shawkins> may I ask as to which site? just logged in :)
[02:07] <Red_Herring> http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/machater.html
[02:08] <Red_Herring> but if you want to get a linux tutorial thats useful...
[02:08] <jindiaz> cool thanks alot man. that helped out alot
[02:08] <jindiaz> YES
[02:08] <jindiaz> PLEASE!
[02:08] <jindiaz> lol
[02:08] <Red_Herring> i have come across some, but forgot the name of them
[02:08] <Red_Herring> sorry
[02:08] <Red_Herring> but google is your freind
[02:08] <jindiaz> lol, damn
[02:09] <jindiaz> hahaha
[02:09] <jindiaz> its cool thanks though
[02:09] <shawkins> yeah, I agree with Red, I use google most of the time
[02:09] <KonvIRC> hi
[02:09] <KonvIRC> how I can unlock APT database?
[02:09] <Red_Herring> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Beginners/
[02:09] <Red_Herring> that seems like a good place
[02:09] <shawkins> close the program that is using it
[02:09] <shawkins> such as adept..
[02:10] <jindiaz> thanks man
[02:10] <jindiaz> whut abt dc?
[02:10] <jindiaz> anyone knoe about that???
[02:11] <Vge> dc++?
[02:11] <jindiaz> yah man
[02:11] <jindiaz> how is it on linux?  easy or hard top configure??
[02:11] <Vge> same
[02:11] <Vge> cant remember the packet name thou
[02:11] <jindiaz> really, so just installs and same functionality and all that?
[02:11] <jindiaz> dammmmmmmmmmmmmn
[02:12] <jindiaz> cant find it
[02:12] <KonvIRC> the APT database is locked the last 5 days
[02:13] <Red_Herring> i never used dc
[02:13] <Red_Herring> has ANYONE here used automatix?
[02:13] <Red_Herring> i seriously recommend it
[02:13] <Red_Herring> it has codecs, media players, plugins, java 1.5 etc.
[02:13] <Red_Herring> really?
[02:13] <Vge> jindiaz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084&page=3
[02:14] <KonvIRC> the database is UNLOCKED thanks!!!!
[02:14] <Red_Herring> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105343&highlight=automatix
[02:14] <Red_Herring> thats the kubuntu version of automatix
[02:15] <Red_Herring> although for some reason when my freind uses it, it crashes
[02:15] <shawkins> Red_herring: I've used it, recommend it as well
[02:15] <Red_Herring> but  *of coarse* you live outside the US, Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
[02:15] <shawkins> *cough* I think......
[02:15] <Red_Herring> because its *illegal* in here
[02:16] <Red_Herring> well, if you install certain codecs it is
[02:16] <shawkins> yeah well.... don't think to many FBI folks will be outside my house waiting for me so....
[02:16] <Red_Herring> true
[02:18] <soccerfiend> move to Canada ;)
[02:18] <shawkins> to lazy to move :)
[02:18] <Red_Herring> who cares, no one is logging this, right?
[02:18] <ryanakca> YES!
[02:18] <ryanakca> move to canada
[02:18] <shawkins> in any case... I think I'm safe, up until I put billboards everywhere
[02:18] <ryanakca> lol... stops the logger
[02:18] <ryanakca> delets the files
[02:19] <Red_Herring> i like canada :-)
[02:19] <ryanakca> blow torches the hard drive and throws it off a cliff
[02:19] <shawkins> this is probably logged... but then again, are the FBI going to be going through it to search for me? And who says I even have them installed?
[02:19] <Red_Herring> i was wrong, i have a strong feeling ubuntulog is a logger
[02:19] <ryanakca> there, your fine now
[02:19] <ryanakca> drats.... I went through all that trouble for nothing
[02:20] <ryanakca> lol
[02:20] <Red_Herring> i like my computer club's room, we configd it so that nolog doesnt log that line, and all swears are not logged
[02:20] <shawkins> :) I gots my own blow torch
[02:20] <ryanakca> lol
[02:20] <Red_Herring> so, any of you have finals this week?
[02:21] <Red_Herring> i *should* be studying for math...
[02:21] <shawkins> not only that I have a 40 ton semi to run the whole computer over with
[02:21] <shawkins> no, my finals... are in a very long time
[02:21] <shawkins> lets se... 6 weeks I think
[02:21] <shawkins> *See
[02:21] <Red_Herring> dang
[02:21] <ryanakca> nope.... is lucky
[02:21] <Red_Herring> oh well, when does your year end?
[02:21] <shawkins> May something
[02:21] <ryanakca> next year I'll have some
[02:22] <Red_Herring> dang!
[02:22] <Red_Herring> how long is your year?
[02:22] <shawkins> I can't remember..
[02:22] <Red_Herring> sept to may?
[02:22] <ryanakca> I'm lucky.... only in grade 8..... :P..... poor you.... exams.... *shudders*
[02:22] <ryanakca> sept-june for me
[02:22] <Red_Herring> really?
[02:22] <shawkins> started... August...
[02:22] <Red_Herring> nice to have someone young in here
[02:22] <shawkins> late August
[02:22] <ryanakca> rofl
[02:23] <Red_Herring> learnign the ropes
[02:23] <Red_Herring> just dont forget to get a social life ;-)
[02:23] <shawkins> I'm slightly older, 16 and 11th grade..
[02:23] <ryanakca> lol
[02:23] <Red_Herring> 15 and in 10th
[02:23] <ryanakca> just slightly
[02:23] <shawkins> I've got my social life down :)
[02:23] <Red_Herring> yup, same here
[02:23] <Red_Herring> we hang out in #yorkcc
[02:23] <jindiaz> god damn it.  ok how the hell do you install things on this?
[02:23] <jindiaz> hahah
[02:24] <Red_Herring> calm down
[02:24] <Red_Herring> lets not swear at your god
[02:24] <shawkins> This is the first IRC channel I've been on in a few years
[02:24] <jindiaz> hahahahha
[02:24] <Red_Herring> whats the problem?
[02:24] <shawkins> what do you need installed?
[02:24] <Red_Herring> what are you installing?
[02:24] <ryanakca> formatting floppies..... fdformat /dev/fd0  ?
[02:24] <jindiaz> ok once you dowonload things how do i install them?
[02:24] <Red_Herring> ouch
[02:24] <jindiaz> trying to install kplayer
[02:24] <Red_Herring> do not do it
[02:24] <Red_Herring> use apt-get for everything
[02:24] <shawkins> dpkg -i kplater.......deb
[02:25] <jindiaz> yessss......
[02:25] <Red_Herring> why bother
[02:25] <jindiaz> and that means, whut exactly?
[02:25] <jindiaz> hahahaha
[02:25] <Red_Herring> just do apt-get install vlc
[02:25] <jindiaz> in the terminal?
[02:25] <Red_Herring> or do apt-get install mplayer
[02:25] <Red_Herring> yup
[02:25] <shawkins> I spelled it wrong.. but replace the kplater......deb with the .deb file you downloaded..
[02:25] <shawkins> yes, in terminal
[02:25] <Red_Herring> the terminal is your freind
[02:25] <shawkins> very much so your friend
[02:25] <Red_Herring> also, TAB auto fills in the name of a file in that folder you are in
[02:26] <shawkins> apt-get uses dpkg I think.... I believe its just the front-end for it...
[02:26] <orion> my sharing on ftp://82.235.196.94
[02:26] <shawkins> yes, I learned that little trick.... 6 months ago, helped me oh so much
[02:26] <orion> please cane someone test it and tell me
[02:26] <Red_Herring> last month for me
[02:26] <null> orion, so you finally got proftpd working?
[02:26] <jindiaz> ummm k, that didnt work
[02:26] <jindiaz> damn this is confusing
 please cane someone test it and tell me <-- works
[02:27] <Red_Herring> ITUNES MUSIC!
[02:27] <orion> null: lol you know what  I m running it on MAC OS X
[02:27] <shawkins> works here as well
[02:27] <orion> null: easyer to setup
[02:27] <Red_Herring> i would be thouroughly ashamed if ANY of you were *illegally* shairing files
[02:27] <shawkins> got enough songs?
[02:27] <orion> Red_Herring: yep help yourself
[02:27] <Red_Herring> thanks
[02:27] <orion> shawkins: 60 go
[02:27] <null> orion, you are the orion who was asking about this yesterday, no?/me == dodobrain
[02:27] <jindiaz> it says access denied ...
[02:27] <jindiaz> argh
[02:28] <jindiaz> or could not open lock file i mean
[02:28] <Red_Herring> jindiaz: what are you using?
[02:28] <ryanakca> Doesnt TAB also fill in the name of a comman like apt-TAB would give you apt-get, apt-cache, etc?
[02:28] <orion> null: yes I am
[02:28] <jindiaz> kubuntu
[02:28] <Red_Herring> ryanakca: not sure
[02:28] <ryanakca> jinidaz.... try sudo....
[02:28] <Red_Herring> jindiaz: i assumed
[02:28] <jindiaz> sudo instead of apt get?
[02:28] <Red_Herring> since you are in #kubuntu
[02:28] <jindiaz> yah that sudo thing worked b4
[02:28] <ryanakca> sudo apt-get
[02:28] <jindiaz> when i did skype with it
[02:28] <ryanakca> sudo apt-get install whateveritscalled
[02:29] <jindiaz> ooooo
[02:29] <Red_Herring> sudo means you are "administrator" in windows speak
[02:29] <jindiaz> OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[02:29] <jindiaz> .... i love you guys...
[02:29] <shawkins> yeah, or you could be stupid like me and just keep it logged in as root..
[02:29] <jindiaz> HAHAHAHAAH
[02:29] <jindiaz> joking, relax
[02:29] <shawkins> then you don't need sudo :)
[02:29] <Red_Herring> did ANYONE look at that guide i posted here?
[02:29] <Vge> or "use administrator for this following command"
[02:29] <ryanakca> btw.... its confusing to go from FC4 to kubuntu/ubuntu
[02:29] <Red_Herring> yup
[02:29] <shawkins> not really.. for me... I've used enough to know what each one does :)
[02:29] <null> whats so confusing?
[02:29] <ryanakca> I'm still used to typing su....
[02:29] <Red_Herring> thats why i forced my computer club to ditch FC4
[02:29] <Red_Herring> ryanakca: you can enable su
[02:30] <Red_Herring> its easy
[02:30] <ryanakca> I know
[02:30] <Red_Herring> just not recommended
[02:30] <shawkins> passwd root .......
[02:30] <ryanakca> sudo passwd whatever
[02:30] <Red_Herring> yup
[02:30] <orion> my sharing on ftp://82.235.196.94
[02:30] <null> ryanakca, thats nothing ubuntu specific.. just that you didn;t hve experience with sudo before on fcx
[02:30] <shawkins> I changed my root pass and then enabled root to login..
[02:30] <jindiaz> AWWW it says E: Couldn't find package vlc
[02:30] <Red_Herring> really?
[02:30] <shawkins> yeah
[02:30] <Red_Herring> thats it
[02:30] <ryanakca> try apt-cache search vlc
[02:30] <Red_Herring> ya need to enable the universe repository
[02:31] <jindiaz> ummmm how?
[02:31] <jindiaz> lol
[02:31] <Red_Herring> thats kinda tricky to do
[02:31] <ryanakca> hmmm.....
[02:31] <Red_Herring> anyone else kind enough to explain
[02:31] <jindiaz> im sorry, but once i get it i wont aske ever again
[02:31] <shawkins> yeah
[02:31] <shawkins> I'll do it
[02:31] <Red_Herring> thanks
[02:31] <jindiaz> thanx man, really appreciate it
[02:31] <null> jindiaz, are you on breezy?
[02:31] <shawkins> I guess..... you have two ways.. through adept or command line... pick :)
[02:31] <jindiaz> yup
[02:31] <null> if you are its even easier
[02:31] <Vge> http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[02:31] <Red_Herring> use adept
[02:31] <jindiaz> i am, and either or is fine
[02:32] <null> cat /etc/apt/aources.list
[02:32] <shawkins> null will do it :)
[02:32] <null> it will have univeerse already there.. just commented out
[02:32] <shawkins> I use command..
[02:32] <jindiaz> lol, ok, so in terminal then?
[02:32] <Red_Herring> or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:32] <null> omg!
[02:32] <shawkins> thats how I do it...... nano......
[02:32] <null> so i have to do this? and i just inatalled ubuntu for the first time ever :p
[02:32] <shawkins> well you spoke out :)
[02:32] <Red_Herring> then go down to the line that says # deb <some internet address> universe
[02:32] <shawkins> I was going to say but..
[02:32] <null> heh
[02:32] <Red_Herring> then delete the "#"
[02:33] <ryanakca> meh.... vim beats all.... in my opinion anywais
[02:33] <Red_Herring> then ctrl-x
[02:33] <Red_Herring> i like vi
[02:33] <shawkins> I never got used to vim....
[02:33] <Red_Herring> but what noob wants to start on that?
[02:33] <null> ryanakca, people prefer differernt things like emacs!!
[02:33] <Arcanimus> wee
[02:33] <ryanakca> ick
[02:33] <null> but i prefer vim :)
[02:33] <flipjarg> i started on vim
[02:33] <ryanakca> emacs is too complicated for me
[02:33] <shawkins> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[02:33] <shawkins> take that...
[02:33] <jindiaz> ok ok, i did that and this thing pops up, now whut?
[02:33] <null> ryanakca, more like you never got used to it
[02:33] <shawkins> take out the $
[02:33] <shawkins> *#
[02:33] <Arcanimus> LOL ryanakca, emacs too compliacted?
[02:33] <Arcanimus> obviously you've never used vi
[02:33] <orion> my sharing on ftp://82.235.196.94
[02:33] <ryanakca> null: LOL
[02:34] <ryanakca> lol
[02:34] <flipjarg> does anyone know how to get amarok to play mp3's?
[02:34] <Red_Herring> sure
[02:34] <Red_Herring> 2 ways
[02:34] <null> ryanakca, what? ask someone who has never used vim and only emacs, they will say '...oh vim is too complicated for me...'
[02:34] <null> you get what i am saying?
[02:34] <Red_Herring> a) install all the other gstreamer codecs
[02:34] <Red_Herring> or b) install amarok-xine
[02:34] <Arcanimus> I use VI and only vi
[02:34] <Red_Herring> which uses xine instead of gstreamer
[02:35] <Arcanimus> i really don't like emacs or pico or anything else
[02:35] <ryanakca> the first or second day I used linux.... it was debian woody.... I tried editing with emacs.... I couldnt get out of it... that was the last time I really wanted to use emacs.... I just rebooted the system and stuck to vim
[02:35] <Red_Herring> vi forever!
[02:35] <ryanakca> lol
[02:35] <Arcanimus> amen Red_Herring
[02:35] <shawkins> Kate!!!!
[02:35] <Arcanimus> :)
[02:35] <jindiaz> awww man, ummm ok, i typed the code in terminal, now whut????
[02:35] <Red_Herring> kate?
[02:35] <flipjarg> Red_Herring: i've done what it said on the amarok website. i installed a bunch of libs and it didn't work. i didn't use amaraok-xine, i'll try that quick.
[02:35] <Red_Herring> are you kidding?
[02:35] <Arcanimus> LOL
[02:35] <shawkins> yes :) KDE's...
[02:35] <null> ryanakca, and the very first time you ever used vi/vim.. you magically knew hoe the heck to quit?
[02:35] <null> c;mon.. don;t be silly
[02:35] <Red_Herring> flipjarg: im not sure if thats exactally what its called
[02:35] <ryanakca> when I run vi.... it runs vim instead.... its odd
[02:35] <shawkins> I prefer Kate over any other normal text editor... its what my site is written in..
[02:35] <Red_Herring> it might be called amarok-engines or something
[02:35] <flipjarg> Red_Herring: it installed good.
[02:35] <null> ryanakca, ls -l `which vi`
[02:35] <Red_Herring> oh
[02:36] <Red_Herring> good
[02:36] <shawkins> vi and emaces... just don't like them, as someone had said.... gotta know it to like it... don't feel like learning it just yet
[02:36] <ryanakca> null: erm.... when vi starts up.... it tells you to type :help for help
[02:36] <Red_Herring> are we talking about xorg programs or terminal?
[02:36] <null> ryanakca, and what version of emacs did you use?
[02:36] <orion_fr_24> if you are looking for good nusic to download for free my sharing is on ftp://82.235.196.94
[02:36] <Red_Herring> cuz kate is NOT a terminal thing as far as i know
[02:36] <null> did you even read the damn message it shows?
[02:36] <Vge> vi is like mother of nonusable programs
[02:36] <ryanakca> emacs doesnt do that..... I honestly dont know
[02:36] <null> you didn;t!
[02:36] <shawkins> I use kate in the terminal.... I type kate in :)
[02:36] <null> and thats why you whine! :)
[02:37] <Red_Herring> orion_fr_24: dont flash that site name around too much
[02:37] <ryanakca> lol
[02:37] <flipjarg> Red_Herring: Jeeze that was easy, thakns for the help.
[02:37] <Red_Herring> wow, i was not at all sure it would work
[02:37] <shawkins> as for terminal........ nano or whatever, doesn't matter much, as long as it works....
[02:37] <null> seriously.. i don;t like emacs.. but won't accept unreasonable statements against it!
[02:37] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: sorry I m just trying to share ;)
[02:37] <ryanakca> lol
[02:37] <Red_Herring> no its ok
[02:37] <Red_Herring> just kinda dangerous
[02:37] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: its more 4u all than 4 me
[02:37] <shawkins> orion: sharing isn't really... the most legal thing to do
[02:38] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: but I agree with you I appologies
[02:38] <jindiaz> ok null whut do i do next man?>
[02:38] <flipjarg> It's the nice thing to do shawkins
[02:38] <ryanakca> mmm.... isnt there some canadian law that makes it legal in CANADA?
[02:38] <flipjarg> ;-)
[02:38] <shawkins> the nice thing isn't always right :)
[02:38] <orion_fr_24> shawkins: who told i wanna be in law ? ;)
[02:38] <shawkins> trust me... I know
[02:38] <null> jindiaz, err.. you wanted to install vlc?
[02:38] <null> apt-get update; apt-get install vlc
[02:38] <Red_Herring> orion_fr_24: thanks for the music anyway, if my harddrive wasnt 4gb, i would download some now
[02:38] <jindiaz> yah man, i did that code to try and start the universe thing
[02:38] <shawkins> a certain dsl company told me to stop downloading so much crap once....
[02:39] <orion_fr_24> i m going to bed now
[02:39] <shawkins> 4gb!?!?!?
[02:39] <shawkins> I just bough a 160gb
[02:39] <orion_fr_24> bye everybody
[02:39] <jindiaz> but i dont know how to select the options at the bottom
[02:39] <orion_fr_24> keep using and promoting our distro
[02:39] <ryanakca> yup.... music sharing IS legal in CANADA!!!!
[02:39] <Vge> ya, and downloading is illegal in finland
[02:39] <ryanakca> lol
[02:40] <ryanakca>  Canada! Terre de nos aeux.....
[02:40] <ryanakca> hmmm.... formatting floppies.... fdformat /dev/fd0
[02:40] <orion_fr_24> ryanakca: tu parles francais ?
[02:40] <ryanakca> right?
[02:40] <ryanakca> Bien sure!
[02:40] <orion_fr_24> ryanakca: je suis en france
[02:40] <Vge> no parle pa france ffs :)
[02:41] <jindiaz> helloooo?????????????
[02:41] <orion_fr_24> ryanakca: bonne nuit le canada
[02:41] <shawkins> orion: I know some french :)
[02:41] <orion_fr_24> shawkins: thats a good thing
[02:41] <shawkins> orion: but I don't know that last bit
[02:41] <ryanakca> J'ai deux maudit cours de grammaire par semaine! Trs.... amusant... je pourrais dire....
[02:41] <Red_Herring> ouch
[02:41] <Red_Herring> brain overloading
[02:41] <orion_fr_24> shawkins: bonne nuit = good night
[02:41] <ryanakca> lol
[02:41] <Red_Herring> i only know 2 languages
[02:41] <Red_Herring> english
[02:41] <shawkins> orion: thanks
[02:41] <Red_Herring> and c++
[02:41] <ryanakca> lol
[02:41] <jindiaz> lol
[02:41] <shawkins> but I have hard enough trouble with English as it is so....
[02:42] <Red_Herring> aggreed
[02:42] <ryanakca> english, french, HTML (really simple), a bit of php and a bit of python
[02:42] <Red_Herring> i cant seem to pass any essay i have in english
[02:42] <orion_fr_24> shawkins: u see i m french and i know english ...
[02:42] <Red_Herring> well if a bit of a language counts. then:
[02:42] <orion_fr_24> ;)
[02:42] <ryanakca> lol
[02:42] <Red_Herring> html, javascript, java, php, c++ english, and spanish
[02:42] <Red_Herring> ph
[02:42] <ryanakca> nice
[02:42] <Red_Herring> python
[02:42] <shawkins> I know a little french, german, and spanish
[02:43] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: you re the man
[02:43] <Red_Herring> i want ta learn germain
[02:43] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: lol
[02:43] <Red_Herring> but my school canceled it right as i got there
[02:43] <Red_Herring> :-(
[02:43] <ryanakca> heehee.... I can make my way through latin.... but I can't speak it... I can make words out seeing that french is based on latin....
[02:43] <jindiaz> ok, so can anyone tell me how to type this command in:
[02:43] <Vge> i can only do Medal of honour german :/
[02:43] <jindiaz> 
[02:43] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: how old are u ?
[02:43] <Red_Herring> 15
[02:43] <jindiaz> damn it..... it doesnt show
[02:43] <shawkins> for programming.... I can do anything with php and mysql, html, java script, css (a few of those aren't really.. languages but.... makes the list longer :) ) I know a little java.... c, c++... who knows what else
[02:43] <shawkins> oh, and japanese
[02:43] <jindiaz> argh
[02:44] <shawkins> I'm getting better at japanese now..
[02:44] <Red_Herring> i took a computer programming class at my highschool
[02:44] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: ok 24 for myself
[02:44] <Red_Herring> it really helps
[02:44] <ryanakca> lol.... esperanto is neat too
[02:44] <orion_fr_24> well now it s late here i gotta work tomorrow so need to sleep
[02:44] <Red_Herring> css doesnt count, does it?
[02:44] <orion_fr_24> goodnight everybody
[02:44] <ryanakca> its based on french, english and spanish even though they say its unique
[02:44] <Red_Herring> where does everyone live?
[02:44] <ryanakca> Bonne Nuit!
[02:44] <ryanakca> Canada
[02:44] <Red_Herring> chicago
[02:44] <shawkins> night
[02:44] <orion_fr_24> Red_Herring: no css DOES NT count
[02:44] <shawkins> I like in Indiana
[02:44] <Red_Herring> good
[02:45] <ryanakca> Kingston, Ontario to be specific
[02:45] <Red_Herring> ya hear that, shawkins?
[02:45] <shawkins> yeah
[02:45] <Red_Herring> css doesnt count
[02:45] <shawkins> I'm 4 hours from ya :)
[02:45] <orion_fr_24> bye bye au revoir
[02:45] <Vge> "can do anything is mutch to say" ;)
[02:45] <shawkins> yeah, I hear that to
[02:45] <Red_Herring> well, actually elmhurst, which is right near chicago
[02:45] <ryanakca> ok... now... my question.... fdformat /dev/fd0           formats floppies, right?
[02:45] <Red_Herring> i went to ontario a couple years ago
[02:45] <shawkins> don't know where that it.... north, south, east or west of chicago
[02:45] <Red_Herring> its NICE up there
[02:45] <Red_Herring> there is no east of chicago
[02:46] <Red_Herring> its the lake
[02:46] <shawkins> well... could live on lake michigan :)
[02:46] <shawkins> or in it..
[02:46] <Red_Herring> well true
[02:46] <ryanakca> lol
[02:46] <Red_Herring> but im west side
[02:46] <Red_Herring> but at heart, im a south sider
[02:46] <shawkins> then I'm probably 5 or 6 hours from ya..
[02:46] <Red_Herring> and this year, WE KICKED ASS
[02:46] <shawkins> I've lived everywhere so...
[02:46] <Red_Herring> GO SOX
[02:46] <ryanakca> fdformat /dev/fd0 formats floppies, correct?
[02:47] <shawkins> up in michigan... I lived in Lapeer.... two schools there, east and west.... east always beat west ingame..., but after the game we would always beat them up..
[02:47] <shawkins> try it ryan...
[02:47] <shawkins> it'll give ya a yes or no... but I don't have a floppy so :)
[02:47] <ryanakca> ioctl(FDFMTTRK): Device or resource busy
[02:47] <ryanakca> odd
[02:48] <Red_Herring> shawkins: south side means a whitesox fan, the baseball team
[02:48] <Red_Herring> and we are huge rivals w/ the cubs
[02:48] <Arcanimus> what's a popular mp3 playing software?
[02:48] <Red_Herring> and this year we won!
[02:48] <Arcanimus> I'm currently using amaroK, tried XMMS (didn't like it that much)
[02:48] <Red_Herring> Arcanimus: take you pick
[02:48] <Arcanimus> and i've tried BMP in the past
[02:48] <Red_Herring> amarok is nice
[02:48] <glick> amarok is nice
[02:48] <Vge> XMMS is a winamp clone if you like it
[02:48] <Red_Herring> but mplayer and vlc play everything
[02:48] <Arcanimus> I don't like amaroK only because it's too bulky
[02:49] <shawkins> <----------------------- is afk... one second
[02:49] <Arcanimus> vlc reminds me too much of windows media player on windows 95
[02:49] <Arcanimus> though i might try this so called mplayer
[02:49] <Red_Herring> neither can do plalist things
[02:49] <Arcanimus> crap.
[02:49] <Red_Herring> yeah
[02:49] <Arcanimus> then nevermind
[02:49] <Arcanimus> sigh :(
[02:49] <Red_Herring> hmm...
[02:49] <Arcanimus> maybe i'll just run winamp through wine
[02:49] <Arcanimus> lol
[02:49] <Red_Herring> you could
[02:50] <Arcanimus> tried before on SuSE, didn't work that great
[02:50] <Red_Herring> but that would be worse than amarok
[02:50] <Arcanimus> yeah
[02:50] <Vge> XMMS cant play what your hart desires?
[02:50] <Arcanimus> it's too.... i dunno... it's like a winamp wannabe
[02:50] <Arcanimus> but not as great
[02:51] <Arcanimus> the preferances menus really suck
[02:51] <Red_Herring> anyone tried juk?
[02:51] <Red_Herring> or kaffeine with playlists
[02:51] <ryanakca> hmmm... odd.... you need to unmount a floppy to format it.....
[02:53] <Vge> hmm, now i know atleast that windows cant fit in 4,8GB, ffs
[02:53] <Red_Herring> wow, thats less than my hard drive
[02:53] <Red_Herring> i mean more
[02:53] <Red_Herring> my hd is currently 3.6 gb
[02:54] <Red_Herring> :-0
[02:54] <Vge> ya, had to run Pqmagic to resize :/
[02:57] <ryanakca> heehee
[02:57] <ryanakca> the computer I just threw out a couple of months ago had 16mb ram I think and 800mb....
[02:57] <ryanakca> it was running windows 3.1....
[02:58] <ryanakca> then it died
[02:59] <_greg_> hello everyone
[02:59] <_greg_> im veeery new to that whole linux/kubuntu thing
[02:59] <Red_Herring> thats ok
[02:59] <_greg_> just installed latest kubuntu yesterday
[02:59] <_greg_> so i had some basic questions
[02:59] <Red_Herring> shoot
[02:59] <_greg_> thought u guys mught help
[03:00] <Red_Herring> sure
[03:00] <ryanakca> hmmm..... how do you burn .img onto floppies.... *misses rawritewin*..... but then.... kubuntu probably has something better....
[03:01] <Red_Herring> wow floppys, those are still kicking around?
[03:01] <ryanakca> erm... yeah
[03:01] <ryanakca> I just bought a pack of 24 on the weekend
[03:01] <Red_Herring> i havent used a floppy in 2 years
[03:01] <ryanakca> its all our crappy school computers support
[03:01] <_greg_> ok, first of all - downloaded some packeges off the internet, opened konsole, browsed to their folder, and following instructions typed ./configure, and it gave me error saying that my gcc can't create executables
[03:02] <ryanakca> *gulp*
[03:02] <Red_Herring> _greg_: heres the thing about ubuntu:
[03:02] <ryanakca> wonderfull thing with super cow powers....
[03:02] <ryanakca> apt
[03:02] <Red_Herring> it uses somethgin called apt-get
[03:02] <Red_Herring> apt
[03:02] <_greg_> yeah
[03:02] <Red_Herring> and it is a wonderful program that will install anything in the world
[03:02] <_greg_> oh. great
[03:02] <Red_Herring> without any of the error messages you are getting
[03:03] <bimberi> Red_Herring: steady on :P
[03:03] <Red_Herring> so what program is this?
[03:03] <_greg_> licq
[03:03] <Red_Herring> thats an easy one
[03:03] <Red_Herring> open the terminal
[03:03] <Red_Herring> run "sudo apt-get install licq"
[03:04] <_greg_> does that mean that it will download it from somewhere?
[03:04] <Red_Herring> bimberi: if you disaggree w/ any of this, feel free to step in at any time
[03:04] <bimberi> _greg_: there's also kopete (which is installed by default)
[03:04] <Red_Herring> it downloads it from ubuntu
[03:04] <arrinmurr> _greg_: is there something in icq that kopete doesn't have?
[03:04] <Red_Herring> their servers
[03:04] <bimberi> Red_Herring: no way, it's fantastic ...
[03:04] <arrinmurr> err.. licq i mean
[03:04] <Vge> ryanakca: does this help with floppys http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/install/media.html#blin
[03:04] <_greg_> yeah, i almost vomited when i first saw it... it might not be that bad, but im sooo used to the greates icq client - QIP...
[03:04] <bimberi> Red_Herring: i liked 'anything in the world'
[03:04] <bimberi> :)
[03:05] <Red_Herring> well... for a n00b, it does
[03:05] <Red_Herring> and its just assuming within the realms of phisical possibility
[03:05] <ryanakca> Vge: thanks....
[03:06] <_greg_> Red_Herring: after typing in what u said i get this:
[03:06] <_greg_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:06] <Red_Herring> ah
[03:06] <_greg_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:06] <_greg_> oh
[03:06] <_greg_> yeah
[03:06] <Red_Herring> are you running adept now?
[03:06] <Red_Herring> or synaptic?
[03:06] <_greg_> should i close it?
[03:06] <_greg_> adept
[03:06] <Red_Herring> YES
[03:06] <Red_Herring> thats the problem
[03:06] <Red_Herring> only one program can use apt at a time
[03:07] <Red_Herring> and adept is using apt now
[03:07] <Red_Herring> working now?
[03:07] <_greg_> closed, tried it again.. here is what i get:
[03:07] <_greg_> greg@greg:~$ sudo apt-get install licq
[03:07] <_greg_> Reading package lists... Done
[03:07] <_greg_> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:07] <_greg_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_packages_kde35_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:08] <Red_Herring> run "sudo apt-get update"
[03:08] <Red_Herring> then try again
[03:08] <ryanakca> bbl
[03:09] <_greg_> ok... did that.. it updated something, and then said:
[03:09] <_greg_> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[03:10] <yellowdart> a quick question for anyone who has upgraded to kde3.5...i noticed that there are no restricted/universe/multiverse repositories...does that mean I should just wait until 6.04?
[03:10] <_greg_> i guess thats a minor error, right?
[03:10] <Red_Herring> yeah
[03:10] <Red_Herring> i think
[03:10] <Red_Herring> as for yellowdart
[03:10] <Red_Herring> i have no clue what you are talking about
[03:10] <_greg_> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[03:10] <_greg_> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[03:10] <_greg_> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[03:10] <_greg_> sorry
[03:10] <_greg_> E: Couldn't find package licq
[03:10] <_greg_> ah...
[03:10] <Red_Herring> ah, the key part
[03:11] <Red_Herring> this is where it gets kinda tricky
[03:11] <arrinmurr> !info licq
[03:11] <ubotu> licq: (ICQ client (base files)), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-3ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 617 kB, Installed size: 2004 kB
[03:11] <Red_Herring> you need to enable more repositories
[03:11] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main has ONLY a 'main'
[03:11] <Red_Herring> anyone care to lecture _greg_ on enabling repos?
[03:12] <Red_Herring> yellowdart: so?
[03:12] <_greg_> i would appreciate that :)
[03:12] <Vge> http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[03:12] <Red_Herring> its not supposed to replace EVERYTHING
[03:12] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: i was wondering if that would affect my upgrade
[03:12] <Red_Herring> not at all
[03:12] <Red_Herring> just keep the same sources.list
[03:12] <Red_Herring> except add the kde3.5 line
[03:12] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: yeah, i'm familiar with it
[03:13] <Red_Herring> ok
[03:13] <Red_Herring> good
[03:13] <Red_Herring> but it wont affect your upgrade
[03:13] <Red_Herring> apt is cool like that
[03:13] <yellowdart> just didnt want to have to set up everything again...i have lots of complex server setups here for my development
[03:13] <Red_Herring> wha!
[03:13] <Red_Herring> then dont install kde3.5
[03:13] <Red_Herring> well nvm
[03:13] <Red_Herring> it should be fine
[03:13] <Red_Herring> just back stuff up first
[03:14] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: yeah, my stuff is pretty redundant...i have all my projects on another machine in subversion
[03:15] <Mias> cool, now my ubuntu runs even though the installation from the 2nd burned install cd with 2x speed only
[03:15] <Red_Herring> ok, then its ok to upgrade
[03:15] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: dont really want to spend 5 hours restoring...but, eh...i like playing with fire ;)
[03:15] <_greg_> all right, maybe i'd use GAIM for now. have one more question though
[03:15] <Mias> .. also hungup on tyinstall
[03:15] <_greg_> how do i install new themes?
[03:15] <Red_Herring> what themes are we talking?
[03:15] <Mias> but it did a bit mor so I coul boot it :)
[03:15] <Mias> tzinstall even
[03:16] <_greg_> kde-look.org, the ones that change the way windows look like, etc
[03:16] <Red_Herring> ok...
[03:16] <Red_Herring> well
[03:16] <_greg_> i am not sure how they specifically called
[03:16] <Red_Herring> i never tried that one
[03:16] <Red_Herring> i just installed teh osx theme for kde
[03:16] <Red_Herring> and im satisfied w/ that
[03:16] <Vge> just copy Follow.jpg from XP and you feel right at home :)
[03:17] <_greg_> im more used to my win2k ;)
[03:17] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: i prefer the osx theme for osx myself..hehe
[03:17] <Red_Herring> if you enable the universe repos, you can get linux to look very similar to osx
[03:17] <Red_Herring> yellowdart: well, some of us cant afford it
[03:18] <Mias> but now its onlz half installed and base-config does no more
[03:18] <Red_Herring> anyone care to explain to the world how to enable the universe repo?
[03:18] <_greg_> so, its that mysterious "universe respos" where're stuck with again.. how do i enable it? :)
[03:18] <_greg_> is it THAT complicated?
[03:19] <Vge> http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[03:19] <Vge> or is there something wrong in my link :)
[03:19] <_greg_> awesome :) thanks, VGE
[03:19] <Red_Herring> its not that complicated
[03:19] <yellowdart> _greg_: no, it's not complicated...i'm guessing you're using Adept for package management?
[03:19] <Red_Herring> but tricky over irc
[03:19] <_greg_> ys
[03:19] <_greg_> yes
[03:19] <Mias> how to get my german keyboardlayout and X?
[03:20] <_greg_> oh, that was my third question! but with russian layout
[03:20] <Mias> err, I have X but no wm..
[03:20] <arrinmurr> !repos
[03:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:20] <yellowdart> _greg_: ok...in adept...click the "adept" menu...(the first menu) and click "manage repositories"
[03:20] <Red_Herring> anyone try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:21] <Red_Herring> thats for the keyboard layout, screen resolution etc.
[03:21] <_greg_> clicked
[03:21] <yellowdart> _greg_: right-click all the lines with 'universe' at the end...select 'enable'
[03:21] <_greg_> 4 of them. done
[03:22] <yellowdart> double-click the 'universe' column on each and make it read 'universe multiverse'
[03:22] <Red_Herring> Mias: to get a german keyboard layout, do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:22] <yellowdart> _greg_: after that...apply...and...done
[03:23] <_greg_> ok
[03:23] <_greg_> good, done
[03:23] <yellowdart> _greg_: you may want to do the breezy-backports lines as well...(good for multiverse)
[03:23] <Red_Herring> backports...
[03:24] <Red_Herring> thats getting complicated now
[03:24] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: those lines are already in the sources.list...and they dont hurt to be enabled
[03:24] <_greg_> the reason why i get into that in the first place was installing licq... im trying apt-get install licq
[03:24] <Red_Herring> ok
[03:24] <_greg_> and get muuch more text now, but in the end same "couldnt find package licq"
[03:25] <Red_Herring> you need to run "sudo apt-get update" again
[03:25] <Red_Herring> then try again
[03:26] <_greg_> oh, k.. its downloading stuff now
[03:26] <Red_Herring> good
[03:26] <_greg_> yay, working
[03:26] <_greg_> THANKS! :)
[03:26] <yellowdart> _greg_: if you want to see the file that you just edited...it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:27] <Red_Herring> oh, and if you want to theme kde
[03:27] <Red_Herring> now you can
[03:27] <_greg_> yeah, i tried to edit it before manually
[03:27] <Red_Herring> sudo apt-get install kxdocker
[03:27] <Red_Herring> thats the osx bar :-)
[03:27] <hawking> I want to use smb4k to connect to a windoze computer but it gives this error : An error occured while trying to mount the share smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts how can i do that?
[03:27] <Red_Herring> look under preferences
[03:28] <Red_Herring> hawking: it has some sort of preference that mentions using sudo
[03:28] <Red_Herring> check that box
[03:28] <Mias> Red_Herring: and for the console?
[03:28] <Red_Herring> Mias: console?
[03:28] <Mias> Red_Herring: without X
[03:28] <Red_Herring> oh, not sure
[03:28] <Red_Herring> look in the forums
[03:29] <Red_Herring> im sure someone at ubuntuforums.org managed it
[03:29] <kkathman> another OS bar is ksmoothdock...its pretty nice too, but you'll want to get it from the source :)
[03:29] <Mias> nevermind, more interesting is which wm is on the install cd
[03:29] <Red_Herring> hawking: i would verify what i just said, but im trying out the liveCD of dapper drake
[03:30] <Red_Herring> ksmoothdock?
[03:30] <kkathman> yep
[03:30] <Red_Herring> never heard of it
[03:30] <Red_Herring> does it have drag and drop?
[03:30] <_greg_> yeah, i saw it on kde-apps
[03:30] <Red_Herring> because thats VERY annoying w/ kxdocker
[03:31] <kkathman> its ok..there are like 20,000+ packages, no one has heard of all of them :)
[03:31] <Red_Herring> there is a lack of drag n drop all throughout linux
[03:31] <Red_Herring> is it in the repos?
[03:31] <Red_Herring> ANY of the repos?
[03:31] <Vge> arrrgh, i just downloaded and burned to my only cd-r on frigging ubuntu-live cd T_T
[03:31] <kkathman> I believe it is, but as per ubuntu, its very dated
[03:31] <Red_Herring> yeah
[03:31] <_greg_> im not a big fan(thats how you spell it?) of those docking things... tried ObjectDock under XP few times, it gets too annying
[03:31] <kkathman> thats why I suggested dl the source and compiling
[03:32] <Red_Herring> use RXDocker under windows
[03:32] <Red_Herring> its nice
[03:32] <kkathman> in KDE3.5 you can build your own docker anyway
[03:32] <Red_Herring> really? how?
[03:32] <kkathman> not too much need for it
[03:32] <hawking> Red_Herring : it says this --> Another user is currently editing one of the syste files that Smb4k wants to write to please try again later???
[03:32] <kkathman> using panels
[03:32] <hawking> I am on my laptop
[03:32] <_greg_> well, im stuck with my 2k server system, old school style windows, no docks :)
[03:32] <Red_Herring> hawking: odd
[03:32] <Red_Herring> kkathman: but they dont raise when you mouse over them, osx style
[03:33] <Red_Herring> a little osx theme couldnt hurt
[03:33] <Red_Herring> just w/o the osx bar
[03:33] <kkathman> ahh you want the parabolic thing
[03:33] <kkathman> no they dont do that
[03:33] <Red_Herring> its very visually pleasing
[03:33] <Red_Herring> i have to say
[03:33] <Vge> i hate when cd is still warm from burning and totally useless
[03:33] <kkathman> but they do disappear from the screen leaving more space :)
[03:33] <Red_Herring> yup
[03:33] <kkathman> which I like
[03:33] <Red_Herring> especially on laptops
[03:33] <Red_Herring> when tere isnt much space
[03:34] <Vge> ya T_T
[03:34] <kkathman> exactly
[03:34] <_greg_> yes, themes, id love to have a little osx theme! and there are so many of them... anyone dare to explain the installation proccess? there must be some theme managing thing
[03:34] <Red_Herring> yup greg
[03:34] <Red_Herring> there is
[03:34] <_greg_> whee!
[03:34] <_greg_> :)
[03:34] <Red_Herring> and its VERY easy to use
[03:34] <Red_Herring> well first
[03:34] <_greg_> good!
[03:34] <Red_Herring> to install teh osx theme
[03:34] <Red_Herring> you need to use adept
[03:34] <kkathman> some themes tho, have to be compiled and they are a pain :(
[03:34] <Red_Herring> becasuse i have no freaking clue how to spell bagarah
[03:35] <Red_Herring> and thats not spelled right
[03:35] <kkathman> baghira
[03:35] <Red_Herring> search for apple
[03:35] <kkathman> that one has to be compiled, then loaded :(
[03:35] <_greg_> baghira, yes. from the book
[03:35] <Red_Herring> and the one that says kwin-<something that looks like bagarah>, install
[03:35] <shawkins> if anyone needs a theme compiled... tell me where to get it.... I've seen my share of people that have a hard enough time just using the command line
[03:35] <Red_Herring> then when thats installed
[03:35] <Red_Herring> go to system setting
[03:35] <Red_Herring> --> appearence
[03:35] <yellowdart> baghira
[03:36] <kkathman> I could never get the thing to compile, personaly, but I didnt try very hard either :)
[03:36] <Red_Herring> --> window decoratoins
[03:36] <Red_Herring> and change that to baghira
[03:36] <Red_Herring> and then go to style
[03:36] <Red_Herring> and change that to baghira
[03:37] <Red_Herring> and then you have a mac osx-ish desktop
[03:37] <JohnFlux> What eats bats?
[03:37] <Red_Herring> no clue
[03:37] <_greg_> great, thanks!
[03:37] <Red_Herring> did it work?
[03:37] <Red_Herring> im assuming yes, but ya never know
[03:38] <_greg_> i'm pretty sure it will
[03:38] <_greg_> but
[03:38] <_greg_> while we're at it
[03:38] <kkathman> JohnFlux:  Ozzy Osborne?
[03:38] <Red_Herring> NICE
[03:38] <Mias> lol
[03:38] <_greg_> while im in appearence menu
[03:38] <Red_Herring> well, just the heads
[03:38] <_greg_> i cant get to see the bottm of it :|
[03:38] <Red_Herring> really?
[03:38] <Mias> _greg_: zou also could use enlightenment and its aqua theme
[03:38] <_greg_> like half of the window is.. mm.. behind the bottom
[03:38] <Red_Herring> oh yeah
[03:39] <Mias> you.
[03:39] <_greg_> dont know how to say it
[03:39] <Red_Herring> you hold ALT down
[03:39] <Red_Herring> then click
[03:39] <Red_Herring> then drag
[03:39] <_greg_> oohh
[03:39] <_greg_> working
[03:39] <_greg_> thats strange..
[03:39] <Red_Herring> yeah, the baghira config window is very big indeed
[03:40] <_greg_> wow. working
[03:40] <Red_Herring> glad to be of help
[03:40] <_greg_> yeah, big thanks again :)
[03:40] <Red_Herring> now excuse me i have a math final tomorrow
[03:41] <_greg_> good luck!
[03:41] <Red_Herring> and i havent studied yet
[03:41] <Red_Herring> AT ALL
[03:41] <Red_Herring> AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
[03:41] <_greg_> yah... exams are soon :(
[03:41] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: good news...the numbers dont change...so you should be safe
[03:41] <shawkins> I never studied for math.. seemed to understand it enough not to bother
[03:41] <kkathman> shawkins: same here
[03:41] <kkathman> all that busy work too
[03:42] <Vge> what is enough :/
[03:42] <kkathman> ok ok if you can do one matrix transformation in linear, why do 10 ??
[03:42] <shawkins> yeah, to much stuff for me to do.... fact is, don't think I studied for a single thing school wise... never needed to
[03:42] <_greg_> ok, installing Baghira was easy enough. but what about other themes?
[03:42] <Red_Herring> i usually never study for anything
[03:42] <kkathman> _greg_:  was baghira in the repos?
[03:42] <Red_Herring> but when my grade is 90, my final is very important
[03:42] <_greg_> yeah
[03:43] <Red_Herring> so therefore i need to study my ass off
[03:43] <kkathman> wow nice they put that there now
[03:43] <Red_Herring> yeah
[03:43] <Red_Herring> so is kxdocker
[03:43] <yellowdart> kkathman: even if you know how to do the first transformation...why go through with it :)
[03:43] <kkathman> Red_Herring: ahhh on the ol fence
[03:43] <_greg_> is there other themes there?
[03:43] <shawkins> kkathman: just because I don't have to study doesn't mean I got all A's.... I got 100% on my geo finals..... algebra 2 was a different matter... stopped there
[03:43] <Red_Herring> in multiple subjecuts too
[03:43] <Red_Herring> well, i got a 125% in world history
[03:43] <_greg_> too many bonus questions?
[03:43] <Red_Herring> and didnt need to take a final
[03:44] <Red_Herring> yup ;-)
[03:44] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: does that mean you studied into the future?
[03:44] <Red_Herring> no
[03:44] <_greg_> means that teacher crewed up :)
[03:44] <_greg_> screwed
[03:44] <Red_Herring> that means i took it over the summer
[03:44] <_greg_> *
[03:44] <shawkins> I never went above 100%.... when it got to 95 I'd slack off a bit until it went to 85... then I'd have it back to 95 in two weeks
[03:44] <Vge> i got 1+ from my swedish exam, and im kinda proud :)
[03:44] <Vge> so different subjects
[03:45] <_greg_> Vge - 5 is the lowest?
[03:45] <Red_Herring> in computer programming i made a c++ program that plays tic tac toe with an artificial AI, and my teacher gave me 110 for it
[03:45] <Red_Herring> it was about 310 lines of code
[03:45] <Vge> no, 1-5 is the scale, but it was my 4 time in the exam :D
[03:45] <_greg_> haha... my final was winsck based chat
[03:45] <shawkins> I went to one computer programming class... all my school had, teacher didn't know a thing, so I just kept the book.....
[03:45] <_greg_> teacher was really amazed...
[03:45] <Red_Herring> wow
[03:45] <Red_Herring> my teacher doesnt know ANYTHING about html
[03:45] <Red_Herring> but other than that, shes pretty good
[03:46] <Red_Herring> she teaches us to use FRAMES IN HTML!
[03:46] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: i remember in my c++ classes i used to turn in 4 week projects the same day they were assigned
[03:46] <_greg_> my comp. sci teacher originally is history teacher... so he was learning with us
[03:46] <Red_Herring> wow
[03:46] <Red_Herring> how old are you guys
[03:46] <Red_Herring> im 15
[03:46] <shawkins> yellowdart: I did the same thing..... :)
[03:46] <_greg_> but thats high school :D
[03:46] <Vge> 23 ;)
[03:46] <_greg_> 17
[03:46] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: 26
[03:46] <Red_Herring> holy crap
[03:46] <shawkins> I'm still a young little one..... 16... 17 in April
[03:47] <Red_Herring> thats not little
[03:47] <Vge> bachelors degree Y_Y
[03:47] <Red_Herring> at least not to me
[03:47] <_greg_> i thought you guys were a bit older
[03:47] <Vge> or what it's called
[03:47] <Red_Herring> nah
[03:47] <Red_Herring> we are geeks
[03:47] <Red_Herring> we come in all ages
[03:47] <_greg_> :)
[03:47] <yellowdart> shawkins: yeah, it was great...really pissed off the profs
[03:47] <_greg_> aight, got a question for ya
[03:47] <shawkins> yeah, thats what this one guy told me, Jon Hall.....
[03:47] <_greg_> how do i install support of non-english language?
[03:47] <Red_Herring> well, at least i havent started hacking teh school network yet
[03:48] <shawkins> he told me it doesn't matter the age... matters about the knowledge..
[03:48] <Red_Herring> _greg_: theres a way...
[03:48] <Red_Herring> not sure under adept
[03:48] <Red_Herring> sorry
[03:49] <shawkins> yellowdart: delayed response.... my teacher swore up and down that I was cheating, so one day he gave me my assignment and watched me do it.......
[03:49] <Red_Herring> wow
[03:49] <Red_Herring> thats hilarious
[03:49] <shawkins> greg: one second, I'll check up on that
[03:49] <kkathman> shawkins: I had one of those incidents too!!!
[03:49] <_greg_> thanks!
[03:50] <kkathman> she was one of those "show your work" teachers
[03:50] <Red_Herring> arg
[03:50] <Red_Herring> just like commenting
[03:50] <shawkins> kkathman: show your work... the worst thing any teacher could tell me...
[03:50] <kkathman> yah
[03:50] <_greg_> oh, i love commenting
[03:50] <shawkins> kkathmanL: to many times do I do it in my head...
[03:51] <_greg_> getting lost im my own programs all the time once they get more then few thousand lines long :(
[03:51] <kkathman> I would just do 2 lines and get an answer...finally she did just like you - come up to the board and work this.....
[03:51] <shawkins> I can stand commenting..... helps me for later on, specially when I still don't know everything about the langauge.... lets me know why I did something stupid
[03:51] <kkathman> I looked at it for like 15 seconds, and she smiled like "Gotcha"
[03:51] <kkathman> then I wrote the answer
[03:51] <Red_Herring> the only problem w/ commenting is that we use a crappy IDE
[03:51] <Red_Herring> codewarrior from 98
[03:51] <kkathman> she like flipped (I got applause)
[03:51] <Red_Herring> its no help
[03:52] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: what better IDE do you need than emacs? hehe
[03:52] <_greg_> kkathman: good job :)
[03:52] <kkathman> lol
[03:52] <Red_Herring> well, for starters, we use winblows 2000 at school
[03:52] <kkathman> she never asked me again  :)
[03:52] <Red_Herring> but other than that, can anyone suggest a nice IDE for linux?
[03:52] <kkathman> Red_Herring: Quanta
[03:52] <Red_Herring> its a IDE?
[03:52] <kkathman> thats a good like scripting IDE
[03:52] <Red_Herring> i thougt it was a web devel program
[03:53] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: if you want something like visual studio..kdevelop
[03:53] <kkathman> it is...for several things
[03:53] <kkathman> yah kdevelop for like C
[03:53] <shawkins> kkathman: ha... I was screwing around in class one day, in geo class.. started graphing 3d objects, first day learning it, didn't pay a bit of attention, was talking and such, he called me up and said 'I wonder if Mr. Hawkis could show us an example since he seems to know it all back there....' I looked up and said.... sure..... why not, 15 second later...
[03:53] <Red_Herring> although i have to say i like adjunta
[03:53] <Vge> Eclipse
[03:53] <LinuxNIT-laptop> hey guys im installing kubuntu on my desktop. (P4 2.2 ghz) it is installing the base system and has been at 6% for lik 20 min but making progress cause the package names change once in a while. is it supposed to take this long?
[03:53] <_greg_> anything good for VB ?
[03:53] <yellowdart> _greg_: gambas
[03:53] <shawkins> kkathman: So from then on I did whatever I wished to... didn't matter one bit
[03:53] <_greg_> gambas... need to write it down
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: sounds like a programming teacher I had that wanted us to flowxchart everything. I would just write the program while everyone else was doodling.
[03:53] <shawkins> kkathman: got 100 on both my finals for that class
[03:53] <Red_Herring> LinuxNIT-laptop: that depends
[03:54] <LinuxNIT-laptop> on what?
[03:54] <Red_Herring> LinuxNIT-laptop: as long as the pacckage names change once in a while...
[03:54] <Red_Herring> its fine
[03:54] <_greg_> wow, all those linus programs have such strange for my windows-ears names
[03:54] <Red_Herring> but under a p4, it shouldn take that long
[03:54] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ive never seen a base install take this long on any distro
[03:54] <Red_Herring> its faster on a p3
[03:54] <Red_Herring> do you have enough swap space?
[03:55] <Red_Herring> and RAM?
[03:55] <kkathman> hehe shawkins :)
[03:55] <LinuxNIT-laptop> 9**MB swap and over 700 MB of ram
[03:55] <Red_Herring> and a cd drive thats not from 1990?
[03:55] <Red_Herring> 9mb, or 900mb?
[03:55] <LinuxNIT-laptop> 900 something
[03:55] <LinuxNIT-laptop> sorry
[03:55] <Red_Herring> oh
[03:55] <Red_Herring> well
[03:55] <Red_Herring> im not sure whats going
[03:55] <Red_Herring> on
[03:55] <GameOver> hey g uys what u think the best irc client is to use in linux?
[03:55] <Red_Herring> xchat
[03:55] <Vge> irssi
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> kontact
[03:55] <yellowdart> kkathman: kdevelop has support for more stuff like C, C++, Ruby, PHP, Python, Java, FORTRAN, Perl, Pascal...
[03:55] <shawkins> I'm happy to say.... brand new dvd burner, new 160gb hdd...... I think I set it to 4gb swap... eventually I plan on making a LiveCD with this thing..
[03:55] <GameOver> oh man
[03:55] <LeeJunFan> bitchx
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> hehe, just had to put another one in there.
[03:56] <GameOver> guess ill have to try  all of them
[03:56] <shawkins> gameover: I think Konversation works just fine.. don't know how you could get better really..
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> konversation I meant. not kontact.
[03:56] <Red_Herring> well... LinuxNIT-laptop i cant help you there, but personally i just install ubuntu then install kubuntu from there
[03:56] <LinuxNIT-laptop> Red_Herring, why would a p3 be faster?
[03:56] <GameOver> shawkins: thats what im using now
[03:56] <Red_Herring> no clue why
[03:56] <_greg_> are major games (CofD2, HalfLife2, etc) avalibale under Linux ?
[03:57] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: hey, maybe we can ask what's better...vi or emacs...kde or gnome...hehe
[03:57] <Red_Herring> but i installed it on an old p3 and noted the speed
[03:57] <LinuxNIT-laptop> didnt think of that lol
[03:57] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ah
[03:57] <LinuxNIT-laptop> i see
[03:57] <shawkins> gameover: Really.. I'd like to see whats so different between any of them, take a week to learn the controls... and you master it
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> yellowdart: linux or windows. Oh, well that one is a no brainer :)
[03:57] <Red_Herring> _greg_: quake 4, doom 3, and ut 2004 all work under linux
[03:57] <Vge> _greg_: all ID software games have native linux support
[03:57] <Red_Herring> and quite well may I add
[03:57] <shawkins> greg: Cedega I believe.. will allow you to run such games under linux
[03:57] <yellowdart> LeeJunFan: mac or linux...or mac-on-linux
[03:57] <GameOver> hey shawkins: or anyone else: all i want to do is get fullscreen video in mplayer.....and not those dumb black frames with all video i play ... any idea how to fix this
[03:58] <Red_Herring> i can get FULL SETTTINGS on quake 4 and doom 3 using a 6600gt under linux, but half settings at best under winblows
[03:58] <_greg_> oh, i thought there were only those simple ones... great
[03:58] <Red_Herring> GameOver: thats a video card driver issue there
[03:58] <Vge> Red_Herring: thats only a matter of tweaking, you cant do bought equally well
[03:58] <GameOver> red_herring: it works fine in vlc
[03:58] <Red_Herring> well then
[03:58] <Red_Herring> not sure whats going on
[03:58] <GameOver> i just want mplayer for streaming video... but even then it wont do it right
[03:59] <Red_Herring> nah Vge
[03:59] <Red_Herring> i think its because windows versions partially use directx
[03:59] <LinuxNIT-laptop> Red_Herring, thanks
[03:59] <Red_Herring> whereas tehe linux version uses PURE OPENGL
[03:59] <_greg_> hound - its like a hunting dog, right?
[04:00] <Mias> nixe, now I have X and konqueror running, but still without WM. is there none on the install cd??
[04:00] <Red_Herring> WM?
[04:00] <Red_Herring> whats WM?
[04:00] <Mias> windowmanager
[04:00] <shawkins> KDE.... is ont he CD
[04:00] <shawkins> *on the
[04:00] <Red_Herring> you have no window manager?!?!?
[04:00] <GameOver> so no one knows how to fix this in mplayer..?
[04:00] <Red_Herring> type in kde
[04:00] <Vge> Red_Herring: as i know there is no sounddrivers for OpenGL nor in linux of in windows
[04:00] <_greg_> whats window manager?
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> Mias: how did you install? server install?
[04:00] <Mias> shawkins: konq is running already...
[04:01] <shawkins> then you should
[04:01] <shawkins> be fine..
[04:01] <Mias> LeeJunFan: b0rken CD install
[04:01] <Red_Herring> Vge: i found a fix for the sound problems w/ doom 3 and quake 4
[04:01] <shawkins> if konqueror is running..
[04:01] <Mias> shawkins: I know I should..
[04:01] <LeeJunFan> Mias: what about just sudo apt-get kubuntu-dekstop?
[04:01] <Red_Herring> you start the game w/ doom3 +set s_driver oss
[04:01] <Mias> shawkins: even kdesktop is running
[04:01] <Red_Herring> that makes audio work
[04:01] <GameOver> ok... also im using a laptop... and i cant get the mouse wheel button to work... any ideas on how to do it
[04:01] <Mias> LeeJunFan: I prefer enlightenment
[04:02] <Red_Herring> arg, must study
[04:02] <Vge> Red_Herring: didint ment that, and i have played those, ID games use Directx for sounds in Windows, not for Video as i know
[04:02] <Red_Herring> no
[04:02] <Red_Herring> the linux versions use ALSA
[04:02] <Red_Herring> or OSS
[04:02] <Vge> in windows
[04:02] <Red_Herring> whatever
[04:02] <Red_Herring> i dont know why
[04:02] <Red_Herring> but i get dramatic improvments under linux
[04:03] <enfact> new kde will not use alsa though
[04:03] <Red_Herring> good
[04:03] <Red_Herring> i hate alsa
[04:03] <enfact> 5
[04:03] <enfact> 4
[04:03] <Red_Herring> well, must study
[04:03] <Mias> aah, apt updates..
[04:04] <shawkins> Red!!! Study!!!
[04:04] <shawkins> and!! he left.. already
[04:04] <_greg_> well, he's in a better place now, studying
[04:04] <_greg_> as we all should....
[04:04] <shawkins> not really a better place..
[04:04] <shawkins> I should be working....
[04:04] <enfact> modern school is junk
[04:04] <shawkins> I agree!
[04:04] <enfact> teach myself more on my own
[04:04] <Vge> i just hate when we have integration methods in math atm :/
[04:05] <_greg_> depends on teacher alot
[04:05] <enfact> heh, they still teach java like its the best thing ever
[04:05] <enfact> also true
[04:05] <enfact> most in colleges are old news
[04:05] <enfact> you say AJAX, they say WHAT
[04:05] <Mias> LeeJunFan: ok, apting k-desk..
[04:05] <LinuxNIT-laptop> thats why we should do our school system like the do in some european countries
[04:05] <enfact> how is that?
[04:06] <_greg_> russian school systems, spend there 9 years
[04:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> where money is attached to the student forcing the schools to compete for the students to attemd
[04:06] <_greg_> :|
[04:06] <enfact> hmm
[04:06] <Vge> well i can tell you something about finnish school system? :)
[04:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> it forces the schools to have and attain higher standards
[04:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> lol
[04:06] <enfact> i beleive college should be more like "i have this project" not
[04:06] <enfact> you will take these classes
[04:07] <shawkins> I prefer home school, I know a 13 year old with a bigger vocabulary then most adults
[04:07] <shawkins> of course.. then it depends on who the teacher is but..
[04:07] <LinuxNIT-laptop> hehe i was homeschoooled too
[04:07] <LeeJunFan> college is stoopid :) Have to take classes that mean nothing to your major.
[04:07] <Vge> you measure skill by vocabulary?
[04:07] <enfact> truth
[04:07] <_greg_> in russia you dont choose your classes, you choose field of study. like sciences(physics, math, etc), or languages(less math, almost no physics)
[04:08] <_greg_> well, in high school, in university its all the same
[04:08] <enfact> i just left a school that i had an enormous scholarship at because of these things
[04:08] <_greg_> as in here
[04:08] <enfact> just not what i want to get into, the whole job type
[04:08] <wotnarg> Whats a good C++ ide thats based on qt?
[04:08] <Vge> well in finland every other is a bachelor something cos studying is free
[04:08] <shawkins> here in Indiana we have to attain so many credits of everything, biology, chemistry, physics..... everything
[04:08] <enfact> komodo, kdevelop
[04:08] <yellowdart> wotnarg: kdevelop
[04:08] <Vge> i would use Eclipse, but thats just me
[04:08] <enfact> they have a good tutorial and setup guide on trolltech.com
[04:09] <enfact> yes, eclipse is really versatile
[04:09] <wotnarg> Peer... it won't let me apt-get kdevelop.
[04:09] <yellowdart> Vge: he asked QT ;)
[04:09] <wotnarg> Does it have another name?
[04:09] <enfact> if we have any KDE GUI coders here, please reveal yourselves also, im looking for people for a new project!
[04:09] <shawkins> wotnary kdevelop3
[04:09] <yellowdart> wotnarg: do you have universe/multiverse repositories enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:09] <enfact> yes, kdevelop 3 esp
[04:10] <enfact> black adder also
[04:10] <wotnarg> yellowdart: Yes. Using the kde3.5 repos though, does that effect things?
[04:10] <shawkins> not that I know of wotnarg
[04:10] <yellowdart> wotnarg: no, shouldnt...
[04:10] <wotnarg> enfact: I play around with PyQT and C++/Qt, but I'm not terribly good at it :)
[04:10] <wotnarg> hrm
[04:10] <shawkins> you just have to put in kdevelop3 instead of kdevelop...
[04:10] <Vge> 2 more hours and i can get cd-r from local store to burn a new version of kubuntu
[04:11] <enfact> im looking for a new disto (not wholly redone but GUI/usability)
[04:11] <wotnarg> oh, that makes things easier. Thanks shawkins.
[04:11] <enfact> if you are interested i'd love to talk
[04:11] <shawkins> Vge: Thats the exact reason why I buy CD's in packs of 100..
[04:11] <enfact> creating a distro that is
[04:11] <yellowdart> wotnarg: pyqt...have you ever used 'eric'?
[04:11] <wotnarg> yes, its my ide atm
[04:12] <shawkins> PCLinuxOS..... you can download that, then add whatever software you like to it and make a CD of it
[04:12] <wotnarg> But I want to compare a python ide for C++ to a C++ for C++ :P
[04:12] <wotnarg> for python I still use eric
[04:12] <yellowdart> cool..it's not bad...though there's still something alluring about good ol' IDLE for pyton dev :)
[04:12] <_greg_> shawkins: so how do i install the support of another language in kubuntu? :) or anyone, who knows the answer
[04:12] <enfact> any opinions on komodo (i know its not os but...)
[04:12] <enfact> depends on the language
[04:13] <shawkins> greg: thanks for reminding me....
[04:13] <_greg_> no problem :)
[04:13] <shawkins> greg: I have a window open for that in firefox :)
[04:13] <_greg_> its russian
[04:13] <_greg_> well its a start!
[04:13] <shawkins> greg: I also had a page loaded.... from google, anyways, you want to change the default or?
[04:14] <Vge> _greg_: more google for ya http://www.mepis.org/node/1629
[04:14] <Nihil85> hi! i wanted to know how i can set a specific program to open a specific file; can anyone help me?
[04:14] <Vge> in short "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[04:14] <_greg_> not default, just so i can type in it
[04:14] <Vge> ic
[04:14] <shawkins> oh....
[04:14] <shawkins> well I don't know about that, Vga, would that be keymaps?
[04:14] <shawkins> I've never done that before..
[04:15] <yellowdart> _greg_:  'sudo apt-cache search language-pack-kde'
[04:15] <_greg_> ok, trying that
[04:15] <shawkins> greg: yellow is right
[04:16] <arrinmurr> Nihil85: open the properties of the file, and press the little button in the General tab
[04:16] <_greg_> language-pack-kde-ru-base
[04:16] <_greg_> found that
[04:16] <shawkins> greg: if you don't know how to go from there.... 'sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-en
[04:16] <_greg_> now "sudo apt-get language-pack-kde-ru-base" ?
[04:16] <_greg_> oh
[04:16] <_greg_> ok
[04:17] <shawkins> add install between apt-get and lang...
[04:17] <Nihil85> arrinmurr, thanks!
[04:17] <_greg_> yeah
[04:17] <shawkins> so.. sudo apt-get install language......
[04:17] <enfact> anybody tried klik for package installation yet?
[04:17] <shawkins> never heard of it
[04:18] <Arcanimus> how do i activate the vlc mozilla plugin in firefox?
[04:18] <Arcanimus> i just downloaded and installed using universe repository but i dunno where it is or how to add it
[04:18] <Arcanimus> is there just an "ln -s" i can do to the .so (if so, where is it???)
[04:18] <enfact> http://klik.atekon.de/
[04:18] <enfact> very interesting for app installation
[04:20] <_greg_> ok, i installed the package
[04:20] <_greg_> lang-package
[04:20] <shawkins> enfact: just installed it
[04:23] <_greg_> umm... empty white field instead of icons in "System Settings" + freezing firefox
[04:23] <_greg_> sounds like reboot
[04:28] <shawkins> great.. now mysql won't work.....
[04:30] <shawkins> wait... forgot.... default settings on this computer are localhost.localdomain..... not localhost
[04:31] <asplode> hello
[04:32] <shawkins> hey there
[04:32] <asplode> i am looking forward to trying kubuntu
[04:33] <shawkins> well if you have any questions there are many of us here willing to help :)
[04:33] <asplode> I do have a few
[04:33] <asplode> I'm reading the wiki on installing KDE into a regular Ubuntu installation
[04:34] <asplode> and I'm currently doing the apt-get install of kubuntu-desktop meta package
[04:34] <asplode> but what then?  how do I select between gnome and kde?
[04:34] <shawkins> when you login, I believe its named session..
[04:35] <shawkins> there will be a button of some sort named session, click on it
[04:35] <shawkins> it will give you the choice
[04:35] <asplode> hmm.
[04:35] <asplode> thats kinda cool.
[04:36] <asplode> this looks like its going to take a while though
[04:36] <shawkins> note, I think thats it, taking that out of memory, if not, just click buttons :)
[04:36] <shawkins> yeah, kde isn't exactly the smallest thing around
[04:36] <asplode> clicking buttons is more convenient for changing guis
[04:37] <asplode> is it worth it?
[04:37] <shawkins> I prefer kde over gnome big time
[04:38] <asplode> I ran suse linux back when it was 9.1
[04:38] <shawkins> I like the way it does stuff, I've used both over the years and kde just has a thing I like about it, that and there are many programs built specifily for kde, no matter what you need chances are kde has a program for it
[04:38] <asplode> and I think it used KDE
[04:39] <asplode> I forgot why I stopped using it, I think it didn't do wireless right or something, but I ended up running a long cat5 cable anyway
[04:42] <enfact> is suse going to go gnome in the near future?
[04:42] <enfact> there was a recent scare of that
[04:42] <enfact> with nat and the other ximian monkeys there, im sure there's a push
[04:42] <enfact> miguel
[04:43] <enfact> the only thing i really dont like about kde is the naming, please stop naming everything ksomething already
[04:44] <`Nomad> kwhy?
[04:44] <`Nomad> :)
[04:45] <`Nomad> Do we get to have firefox 1.5 soon?
[04:45] <_greg_> wow... that reboot DID NOT go well
[04:45] <_greg_> (in win2k now)
[04:45] <enfact> haha to knomad
[04:45] <asplode> yeah
[04:45] <_greg_> so, i rebooted, and while loading, after that wallpaper appeared, i get the error:
[04:46] <`Nomad> Is there a place that shows what packages are coming soon?
[04:46] <`Nomad> humm.. know-mad, could be good  ;)
[04:46] <_greg_> "the app unknown(kdmgreet) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[04:46] <asplode> 32/143 packages
[04:46] <_greg_> the oonly button is "close"
[04:46] <enfact> haha
[04:47] <_greg_> i press it, and it all just turns into a black-black window with white letters
[04:47] <_greg_> horrible
[04:47] <enfact> asking again, any GUI coders up this late? im working on a GUI package/dist
[04:47] <_greg_> that safe mode regime didnt work, i got the same error :(
[04:47] <specialbuddy> what are the different ways to enable your nic card
[04:47] <_greg_> so the system is not loading at all
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> enfact: you try in #kubuntu-dev ?
[04:47] <_greg_> anyone knows how to fix it?
[04:48] <enfact> sure did, looking here because im planning on kubuntu for it
[04:48] <enfact> as a base
[04:48] <enfact> <3 kkubuntu
[04:48] <specialbuddy> I had internet before and now I don't
[04:48] <specialbuddy> anyone know how to fix
[04:49] <enfact> can you be a little more specific :)
[04:49] <enfact> wireless or ethernet
[04:49] <specialbuddy> ethernet
[04:49] <enfact> just internet, or net and network
[04:49] <specialbuddy> I have a wireless card but I don't care to use it
[04:49] <specialbuddy> internet
[04:49] <_greg_> can anyone help me out with that kdmgreet thing crashing and preventing me from loading kubuntu?
[04:49] <specialbuddy> I go to settings and network settings
[04:50] <enfact> try opening a konsole and typing 'ifconfig eth0'
[04:50] <specialbuddy> ok
[04:50] <enfact> paste what you get in here
[04:50] <_greg_> ahh... stupid kubuntu stoped working in the second day of me using it :((
[04:50] <enfact> LeeJunFan: good point :)
[04:51] <enfact> dont get discouraged, once you get it set up you will love it forever
[04:51] <`Nomad> word
[04:51] <specialbuddy> I'm not sure how I am going to paste this
[04:51] <enfact> and wont have to do bs maintenance every week because it gets slow like some other os's *cough*
[04:51] <_greg_> well, now i just need some help fixing it :)
[04:51] <enfact> whats wrong there
[04:52] <specialbuddy> well I'm on my other computer talking to you
[04:52] <specialbuddy> I just need to enable my card I think
[04:53] <_greg_> i actually managed to access terminal, but since i dont know any of the linux commands, it is pretty useless..
[04:53] <enfact> shawkins, i cant priv msg
[04:53] <enfact> shawkins: last
[04:53] <shawkins> ok
[04:53] <shawkins> well we'll talk here then..
[04:53] <_greg_> reinstalling it all over will take to much time...
[04:53] <enfact> sure thing, im not a GUI coder thats why im looking
[04:53] <shawkins> are you a GUI coder yourself, or are you looking for one
[04:53] <shawkins> ok
[04:53] <enfact> why do you ask?
[04:54] <shawkins> well I've got a project I'm doing and in a week I'll be looking for a GUI coder :)
[04:54] <enfact> very cool, any more info on it?
[04:54] <shawkins> if you wanna know.... You know how Klik has its little list of programs such as it does?
[04:55] <enfact> sure
[04:56] <shawkins> well mine will be going a step further, I'm in the midst of creating a web site for it..... I'll package just about anything I can, and sell CD's for $5 a piece with whatever the person wants, I'll allow people to download the software... haven't figured if I'll charge or not... possibly make the first however many free and go $.50 from there or something...
[04:56] <shawkins> I'll have articles... reviews.. anything I can get for each product.....
[04:57] <wezlo> shawkins, interesting
[04:57] <enfact> sounds great, i know i loved klik's functionality
[04:57] <wezlo> wish I could get klick to work
[04:57] <shawkins> The guy I talked to about funding this said he liked the idea and gave me enough cash to get my computer up an running.... but in a week or so I plan on going back to him about it, he said he'd help me talk to Mark Shuttleworth..
[04:57] <enfact> i've installed probably five or six things with klik so far
[04:57] <shawkins> wezlo: I installed it a few minutes ago.. needs a program which I meant to go find... just forgot about it :)
[04:57] <wezlo> enfact, I get a mounting error
[04:58] <enfact> hmm, can you paste more
[04:58] <enfact> mounting error for what....
[04:58] <wezlo> hold on a moment and I'll let you know...
[04:58] <enfact> shawkins: i'd like to talk more if you have a min
[04:58] <shawkins> the last..... 12 hours, I was planning on working on my site.. just never did anything with it
[04:58] <shawkins> enfact: its all good, I gotta get klik to work, so it'll be a second
[04:58] <enfact> if you need help with a site, i can lend a hand
[04:59] <shawkins> really.. I'm going to need help with the design, I can do backend stuff, not the greatest, but I can do it, design though.....
[04:59] <wezlo> enfact: unable to mount /tmp/app/1
[04:59] <enfact> im all design :)
[04:59] <enfact> so thats a good thing
[04:59] <enfact> wezlo: ok just a sec
[04:59] <shawkins> thats a very good thing :)
[04:59] <enfact> if anybody's got something on this, feel free
[05:00] <wezlo> enfact then, /home/wallen/.zAppRun: line 132: /tmp/app/1/wrapper:No such file or directory
[05:00] <enfact> as suspected, that mount error will clear that up
[05:00] <wezlo> yah, it worked in hoary, haven't gotten it to work in breezy
[05:00] <enfact> you upgraded?
[05:00] <wezlo> yah
[05:00] <enfact> eek
[05:00] <enfact> ok
[05:01] <wezlo> ook?
[05:01] <enfact> haha
[05:01] <wezlo> enfact, was hoping someone would get that
[05:01] <specialbuddy> how come when I go into network settings it shows eth0 and eth1 disabled and everytime I click to enable them it disables them right after
[05:02] <shawkins> try the command line... now I don't know each one does...... as I just type until it works... but ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0
[05:03] <shawkins> I use ifup wlan0 to get it working..
[05:03] <specialbuddy> ok
[05:03] <shawkins> you'd have to use 'sudo ifup eth0'
[05:03] <shawkins> wezlo: did you manage to get that to work?
[05:03] <enfact> anybody else than me just enable root password and use su?
[05:03] <enfact> i find sudo annoying
[05:04] <shawkins> enfact: I went one step further... I enabled root to login to kde :)
[05:04] <specialbuddy> cool
[05:04] <yellowdart> enfact: why not try 'sudo -i'
[05:04] <shawkins> enfact: its not the greatest of things... but... it works
[05:04] <specialbuddy> I think it might be working
[05:04] <shawkins> ok
[05:04] <wezlo> shawkins, what, cinelerra?  yah, but dvfiles won't load - it looks like someone will be repackaging kino to do quicktime imports though
[05:04] <enfact> only suggested for people who know what their doing, but yes also ok
[05:04] <shawkins> enfact: guess its a good thing I know what not to touch.... most of the time
[05:04] <wezlo> enfact, I have root enabled
[05:04] <enfact> hahaha
[05:05] <enfact> i have root enabled on GUI as well but never suggest it
[05:05] <shawkins> enabling root was the first thing I did, only allowed root to login to kde on this computer.. the others.. no one else knows what not to touch
[05:06] <shawkins> I would never sugest root for the GUI either... but only because I don't know what all they know on what not to touch
[05:06] <enfact> true
[05:06] <wezlo> heh
[05:06] <shawkins> I don't want to be the reason someone uses kate or whatever to edit an important file..
[05:06] <enfact> time for another beer here, im in puerto rico, sucking free wireless and drinking medalla!
[05:06] <shawkins> free wireless down there? sweet
[05:06] <enfact> can get better on a balcony :)
[05:06] <wezlo> so, is there a way to get klick working (enjoy the beer enfact)
[05:06] <enfact> yeah i was surprised
[05:06] <shawkins> I could imagine
[05:07] <shawkins> wezlo: I'm working on that now..
[05:07] <enfact> i get to go back to NY on thurs though, bummer
[05:07] <wezlo> shawkins, sorry
[05:07] <wezlo> heh
[05:07] <wezlo> where in NY upstate or the city?
[05:07] <shawkins> wezlo: no worries :) slow work.... talking distracts me..
[05:07] <specialbuddy> shawkins, that worked
[05:07] <enfact> albany for now
[05:07] <enfact> soon to be boston
[05:08] <wezlo> I was up in boston for a few years
[05:08] <wezlo> nice area, terrible drivers
[05:08] <shawkins> wezlo: you got that mount problem don't you..
[05:08] <enfact> i've heard it's expensive
[05:08] <wezlo> enfact, ummm - it balances
[05:08] <wezlo> we found goceries to be dirt-cheap
[05:08] <enfact> yeah pay is better
[05:08] <wezlo> and we lived in the two places with the cheapest car insurance in the state
[05:09] <wezlo> shawkins, yes, the "mount problem"
[05:09] <enfact> i have some links concerning that for ya wezlo
[05:09] <enfact> *thanks google*
[05:10] <wezlo> enfact, I would be much obliged - I looked but my brain started hurting and I stopped....too many pans on the fire
[05:10] <shawkins> throw them up enfact... I'm clueless so far
[05:10] <wezlo> enfact, downtown boston is a great place to hang out though - we used to walk all over the city, the common's a blast
[05:11] <shawkins> you guys....... sat down 2 hours ago and now... my strawberry shortcake bar is all melted..
[05:11] <wezlo> shawkins, I was alwyas partial to the chocolate eclair bars
[05:12] <shawkins> rpm2cpio
[05:12] <shawkins> rpm2cpio
[05:12] <shawkins> stupid thing..
[05:12] <shawkins> pressing ctrl-v...
[05:13] <shawkins> in any case, that thing, rpm2cpio.. installs with the 'rpm' package, so now firefox 1.5 is installing..
[05:14] <shawkins> yeah yeah :) just learned that ctrl-v is a shortcut for pasting and pressing enter.. though, it probably has something to do with the fact I copied that from the terminal... along with a few extra lines of nothing... one or two line breaks
[05:14] <shawkins> well firefox was installing..
[05:14] <shawkins> it says '/tmp/app/1/firefox/wrapper-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
[05:15] <wezlo> shawkins, I know firefox was having problems with klick
[05:15] <shawkins> I'm just finding that out :)
[05:16] <shawkins> however, in a second I think it will be fixed
[05:16] <shawkins> gotta notice the 'think' there though
[05:16] <enfact> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-84838.html
[05:17] <shawkins> so kkathman... just sitting the watching our conversations or was that last bit a random drop in here?
[05:17] <enfact> finding threads that end up helpful is tough
[05:17] <kkathman> well I thought I would drop a bit of humor around :)
[05:17] <shawkins> wezlo.... that one is a good one
[05:18] <shawkins> try making a symlink between /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ -> /usr/share/X11/fonts/ and see if that does the trick for you
[05:18] <shawkins> thats from the thread he posted
[05:18] <kkathman> I always have to look it up
[05:19] <shawkins> I know I have to do ln something.... thats where ln --help pops up on screen..
[05:19] <wezlo> shawkins, yah, I'm reading it
[05:19] <kkathman> yah its like ln -s  directory/from/file  /directory/to/file or something
[05:19] <wezlo> but I've got both those directories and I really don't want ot mess with it
[05:20] <shawkins> ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts /usr/share/X11/fonts
[05:20] <shawkins> I think*
[05:21] <enfact> check this page
[05:21] <enfact> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1629
[05:21] <shawkins> ln -s /usr/share/X11/fonts /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts
[05:21] <shawkins> one of those ways....
[05:21] <enfact> and search for "klik applications do not terminate cleanly"
[05:21] <t00r> Hi everyone, is there anyway (apt-get command) to remove gtk and all traces of it?
[05:21] <abionnnn> has anyone tried installing the latest version of acroread on kubuntu? It doesn't seem to load up without outputing anything to stdout/stderr
[05:21] <shawkins> apt-get remove gtk...
[05:21] <shawkins> but let me check for its name real quick
[05:21] <enfact> near the middle they have info on getting the mountpoints right if they have gone wrong
[05:22] <enfact> sometimes the apps hang and leave the mountpoints
[05:22] <wezlo> shawkins, the thing is I've got both those directories populated, won't a symlink over write it?
[05:22] <enfact> you'll have to manually unmount em
[05:22] <shawkins> I wouldn't think so...... but... never tried that
[05:22] <enfact> shoudnt
[05:22] <t00r> uh, gtk isnt a package
[05:23] <shawkins> so thats where you went yellowdart..
[05:23] <shawkins> well it is.... :)
[05:23] <shawkins> in a sense
[05:23] <t00r> but theres no way to actually remove gtk
[05:23] <shawkins> taking gtk out though.. will take many others out I would think, as many depend on it
[05:23] <t00r> Yeah, im willing to do that
[05:23] <yellowdart> shawkins: yeah, decided to press my luck...ran into one snag...some doc files didnt install, but i got around it
[05:23] <wezlo> enfact, nothings listed
[05:23] <wezlo> but good idea
[05:24] <yellowdart> shawkins: but all-in-all i got 3.5 up and running
[05:24] <shawkins> t00r: there is not one way to do it... to many packages, you'll have to use adept and remove each one..
[05:25] <shawkins> yellowdart: thats good to hear, I did a full dist-upgrade the second I installed kubuntu on this computer a week ago.. worked fine, though I have some program that crashes while I shut it down... so I just leave it run
[05:26] <shawkins> wezlo: I really don't know, if you are worried about its contents... which this may be it... just take those files in one directory, and drop them in the other.. then create a symlink
[05:26] <shawkins> because klik may not be look in both....
[05:26] <shawkins> so what it needs is in the wrong one
[05:26] <shawkins> just a guess though
[05:26] <shawkins> as it works fine on mine
[05:26] <wezlo> yah
[05:27] <yellowdart> shawkins: i have TONS of development stuff from uni/multiverse...i didnt expect 100%...all my apps still work and are configured correctly...plus my treo600 still syncs fine.. so i'm happy for now
[05:27] <shawkins> yellowdart: I had the similar problem, except I didn't configure anything yet, I installed everything I wanted first... then decided at the last second to use dapper...
[05:28] <shawkins> what do you type to make that red? /red or something?
[05:28] <yellowdart> shawkins: any line that has your name is red
[05:29] <shawkins> oh, how pretty :)
[05:29] <shawkins> didn't know that
[05:29] <shawkins> I figured people were making it read whenever
[05:29] <shawkins> thanks
[05:29] <yellowdart> yeah, it's so you can sift through potentially 100's of posts
[05:29] <shawkins> makes sense to me
[05:29] <t00r> ok removed all pkgs with gtk in them, its libgtk-2.0bin i think, i feel cleansed now
[05:30] <shawkins> how many did you remove?
[05:30] <abionnnn> t00r: hey, wanna check out my cool gtk-based program? What??? You don't have gtk??? :P
[05:30] <wezlo> shakwins, did it - it still doesn't work
[05:31] <shawkins> wezlo: odd, quite odd....
[05:31] <t00r> I think i removed  between 50 and 100
[05:31] <t00r> abionnnn, I can use my moms computer.
[05:31] <shawkins> wezlo: hate to say it but I don't know what else to do, so one sec, I'll do my own googleing
[05:31] <abionnnn> t00r hehe
[05:32] <shawkins> t00r: regardless.... nowadays space isn't a problem.. why even hassle with it, thats why I install everything I think I'll ever need once I do a fresh install :)
[05:33] <t00r> I'd rather not accidently open something like gtkcalc and have 30 new processes suck up my 512 megs of ram
[05:33] <abionnnn> LOL
[05:33] <shawkins> t00r: truthfully... I have 256mb ram on my one computer.. it runs fine
[05:33] <shawkins> 512mb ram is not something to be worried about :)
[05:34] <abionnnn> I have 1gb and I still don't want a thousand processes running :P
[05:34] <t00r> Well then I dont like waiting 20 minutes for a simple program to launch and have it not blend into my DE
[05:34] <wezlo> think I got it working, but the .cmg I was trying to run crashed
[05:34] <wezlo> ROFL
[05:34] <wezlo> I'm cursed!Q
[05:34] <enfact> i'm up for helping with whatever i can, design and what not
[05:34] <enfact> do you have any names in mind?
[05:34] <shawkins> wezlo: *shakes head* if only you could be as talented as me ;P
[05:35] <spstarr_home> is kchmviewer broken in dapper?
[05:35] <shawkins> I'll check
[05:35] <spstarr_home> missing kio-slave
[05:35] <t00r> ahh, and now my Kmenu is cleaned up, not two columns of "GConfigurePalmPilotWithSerialPort-2"
[05:36] <shawkins> I'm installing it right now spstarr
[05:36] <shawkins> enfact: no.. no names...
[05:36] <wezlo> ohmygosh, I got jahshaka running through klick!
[05:36] <enfact> do you have any info up online as of yet?
[05:36] <shawkins> enfact: I'm horrible with being creative :)
[05:36] <wezlo> awesome
[05:36] <shawkins> !!!!!!! great job wezlo
[05:36] <ubotu> No idea, shawkins
[05:36] <enfact> i can cover ya on that :)
[05:37] <spstarr_home> missing protocol 'ms-its'
[05:37] <spstarr_home> but there's no ms-its debian package yet :/
[05:37] <shawkins> enfact: no, the only talks I've done was with a friend of mine and the guy that paid for my computer stuff
[05:37] <spstarr_home> http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/kio_msits/
[05:37] <spstarr_home> seems its not ported to KDE3
[05:37] <shawkins> enfact: much of it has been thought out in my head
[05:38] <shawkins> wezlo: jahshaka?
[05:38] <shawkins> enfact: so I name I have not come up with as of yet...
[05:39] <shawkins> spstarr... kchmviewer does work in dapper
[05:39] <spstarr_home> what dependencies?
[05:39] <spstarr_home> do you have kio_msits?
[05:39] <spstarr_home> KchmViewer: ERROR: : couldn't create slave : Unable to create io-slave:
[05:39] <spstarr_home> klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'ms-its'.
[05:39] <wezlo> jahshaka is a realtime editor
[05:39] <enfact> shawkins: you've coded part or just written plans?
[05:39] <wezlo> can't load a dv file currently
[05:39] <shawkins> libchm1
[05:39] <spstarr_home> got that
[05:40] <wezlo> I need to head to bed, thank gang
[05:40] <spstarr_home> which KDE
[05:40] <shawkins> enfact: I've coded some, getting the whole backend done.. a lot of work, theres much more then what I've said behind it
[05:40] <enfact> sounds like it:)
[05:40] <enfact> what are you coding it in?
[05:41] <spstarr_home> shawkins, do you know which dependency your ms-its io-slave is found in?
[05:41] <shawkins> the site is in PHP.... I've got the planning for the rest of it.. which I'll go through in a second.... I don't know what it'll be in
[05:41] <spstarr_home> seems odd the .deb didn't install the rest of the dependencies aside from libchm1
[05:42] <spstarr_home> libchm.so.1.0.0 isn't a kde-ioslave ;/
[05:42] <shawkins> besides having the front-end.... at my end I'll have a computer, possibly two, and a T3 lines with it... everyday the computer will check for any new updates, if it finds any it'll download the sources, compile, and then package for each distro I intend on supporting..
[05:42] <shawkins> spstarr it works fine here
[05:42] <shawkins> one sec spstarr
[05:43] <spstarr_home> it seems the one i have isn't built with it
[05:43] <spstarr_home> 1.3a-1
[05:43] <shawkins> no, I don't know whats wrong
[05:43] <shawkins> can't figure it out over here
[05:44] <spstarr_home> can you do a dpkg -S on the ms-its ioslave DSO?
[05:44] <spstarr_home> that would give me a good hint as to whats missing
[05:45] <kkathman> yup iM around ...wassup?
[05:45] <spstarr_home> dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde3/kio_msits.so or so
[05:45] <spstarr_home> if thats the name of it
[05:45] <shawkins> yeah, one sec
[05:45] <seth|lappy> please please don't paste the output of that
[05:45] <seth|lappy> pastebin it
[05:46] <seth|lappy> !pastebin
[05:46] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:46] <seth|lappy> :)
[05:46] <shawkins> kkathman: nothing, just checking to see if you were there... :)
[05:46] <spstarr_home> no no, i just need the package name not pastebin :)
[05:46] <kkathman> heh
[05:46] <shawkins> kkathman on a more serious note....
[05:47] <shawkins> kkathman: - and any others that may know this.... I want to create a script that checks for new updates, downloads them, compiles, and then packages..... what language would be best fit for this? bash, perl... python... anything else?
[05:48] <spstarr_home> is it still chuggin along ?
[05:48] <shawkins> kchmviewer: /usr/lib/kde3/kio_msits.so
[05:48] <spstarr_home> !!!!!!
[05:48] <ubotu> spstarr_home: What?
[05:48] <shawkins> thats he output :)
[05:48] <spstarr_home> its in the package?
[05:48] <spstarr_home> unless i need to restart KDE?
[05:48] <spstarr_home> (?) reload the KIO slaves?
[05:49] <spstarr_home> i have the file too
[05:49] <kkathman> shawkins:  any of those is fine, but prolly a bash would be best and easiest
[05:49] <kkathman> in fact we talked about that earlier today   :)
[05:49] <spstarr_home> since those are module DSOs, ldconfig won't do it
[05:49] <spstarr_home> a new konsole didn't work
[05:49] <kkathman> shawkins: SuSE has something called YOU (YaST Online Updater)  which does actually that
[05:50] <shawkins> kkathman: not worried about easiest :) just.... any difference in speed? as I won't be just doing small things... but I don't know if a script calling commands can be much different speed wise from one another
[05:50] <spstarr_home> looks like i need to restart KDE to load a kio_slave
[05:50] <spstarr_home> hrm, thats not good
[05:50] <kkathman> shawkins: nah I dont think so...the only thing is plugging the params, and that will be tricky
[05:50] <shawkins> kkathman: its not for me... its so that I can in turn burn them to a CD or put them up for download.. for my project :)
[05:50] <enfact> YOU is not web based however
[05:50] <spstarr_home> some other KDE service i guess needs a way to reload ioslaves
[05:51] <kkathman> shawkins: for instance..you can do a apt-get update and then apt-get dist upgrade I suppose .. a little error trapping and yer done
[05:51] <shawkins> kkathman: don't know if you followed anything I said earlier about it, but this site will be a mass distrabution center type thing for just about any piece of open source software out there..
[05:52] <spstarr_home> oh manually running kioslave
[05:52] <shawkins> kkathman: so I needed a way to do as much as possible automaticly without working to hard on it all day..
[05:52] <spstarr_home> ugh, you need to register the io-slave
[05:52] <kkathman> shawkins: whats to do?? those 2 statements basically :)
[05:52] <shawkins> kkathman: throwing a script together sounds good to me
[05:53] <kkathman> you could make it harder I suppose :)
[05:53] <shawkins> kkathman: so... those two statements work good for ME.... but.. lets go through this... what I'm going to do
[05:53] <shawkins> ok... I'm making a site, at this site people from around the world will be able to pick the software they like and 1. Download it, 2. Burn it to a CD and have it shipped to them....
[05:54] <kkathman> shawkins: well, Im not an expert on bash scripts , but there may be some options you need to issue ...dunno
[05:54] <shawkins> So.... my idea was to have the computer itself download everything, compile, package it, so that when needed I can simply take it and burn it to a CD... that process is automated as well
[05:55] <enfact> shawkins: will this make specific updates or packages for what the user is running?
[05:55] <kkathman> shawkins: but if you created a bash script with those two items, feasibly you could have cron run it periodically
[05:55] <t00r> God gnome is the worst most underdeveloped DE ever
[05:55] <t00r> Id rather use Xfce without a file browser
[05:55] <shawkins> kkathman: I realize the options part, but thats figured out as well
[05:55] <kkathman> excellent!!
[05:55] <kkathman> yer ahead of me :)
[05:55] <t00r> sorry ignore my comment
[05:56] <shawkins> katthman: I realize that part, however, like I said, thats for ME... and... thats also only for this distro, I'm going to support various distros with this
[05:56] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:56] <shawkins> kkathman: do you get it?
[05:56] <kkathman> sure
[05:56] <glick> gnome is *ok*
[05:57] <shawkins> kkathman: Since its not only for me... and not only for kubuntu, I need a way to compile and package many programs... this includes stuff not included or readily avaliable with ubuntu
[05:57] <shawkins> so... thats where downloading sources and such come in handy, I'll have to type out a thing on this again...
[05:58] <shawkins> I did it once... a small version of it, so I could get my funding started, here in a week or two I'm hoping to get the last bit of funding done
[05:58] <shawkins> that part will be a little harder...
[05:58] <kkathman> shawkins: give me an example of these things?
[05:58] <shawkins> kkathman: what do you mean? and example process of it?
[05:58] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[05:59] <kkathman> shawkins: no, the things that "arent included" etc, cuz ther are scripts already written that do that
[05:59] <shawkins> kkathman: ok, well... let me type this out and I'll see if it helps..
[05:59] <kkathman> ok
[06:00] <grigory> yes, kubuntu reinstalled succesefully
[06:01] <_greg_> (i was that guy _greg_ who kept asking questions here about an hour ago)
[06:01] <_greg_> (and whos kubutu crashed then after experiment with kde)
[06:01] <_greg_> oh, nick changed
[06:02] <Vge> hmm, i think i should get to sleep, my roommates alarmclock just started to ring :)
[06:03] <shawkins> kkathman: Everyday, say at noon, the computer will check, through a list of programs set by me, for updates on each one, I'll be using RSS where possible to find new updates, mailing lists, you name it, whatever there is, I'll use it. Once it has that list the computer will fetch the source of each program that is updated. After that is done it will compile each one..... from there it will package each program for whatever distros I sup
[06:03] <shawkins> does that help at all?
[06:03] <yellowdart> i just found something quirky with kde3.5 ...i have dual monitors (nvidia 6600gt), and xinerama (instead of twinview).. I can drag windows back and forth across monitors fine, but icons only stay on #1...wierd
[06:04] <shawkins> odd
[06:04] <shawkins> but... personally... I like my icons on one window... you know, never thought to add a second monitor to this computer... I have a 17 inch only 10 feet from me unused
[06:05] <enfact> i need an apple 30in cinema display, period. that will be enough for me
[06:05] <grigory> can Konversation sit in system tray?
[06:05] <shawkins> for grins and giggles.. I should add my TV as a screen
[06:05] <enfact> hehe
[06:06] <shawkins> all I'd need is an S-video cable.....
[06:06] <Vge> hmm, can i use realvnc and win2VNC together where i would control linux realvnc from windows?
[06:06] <shawkins> I could go to wally world and get that...
[06:06] <shawkins> kkathman: was that what you wanted? if not tell me :)
[06:07] <iantec> hi its me again .... i want to know how to restore my root privileges since its locked for some reason.
[06:07] <shawkins> restore?
[06:07] <shawkins> can you use su?
[06:07] <shawkins> or...
[06:07] <kkathman> shawkins: ahhh ok...much more involved than I thought
[06:07] <yellowdart> BUT...finally i can configure a different wallpaper on each monitor...so, it's worth the tradeoff of icons on only one monitor
[06:07] <shawkins> passwd root
[06:07] <shawkins> kkathman: yeah, just a little, lack of talk on my part, my bad
[06:08] <glick> anyone here familier with Oreilly books
[06:08] <glick> ?
[06:08] <shawkins> welll... 'sudo passwd root'
[06:08] <kkathman> shawkins: so that means you'll need to have some "database" of apps, then some RSS or other processing to flip a status to download or not..
[06:08] <shawkins> kkathman correct
[06:08] <glick> http://blipp.com/pawal/artiklar/tcpipillustrated/tcpipillustrated.gif
[06:08] <glick> haha acheck that out its pecious
[06:08] <iantec> how do i check if it is still ok....but this is whats happening everytime i need to enter my password to run like for synaptic or other things thaty needs my pass it always says error with conversation with su and it says i have the wroong password but i do have the right password because i can use it before
[06:08] <kkathman> shawkins: then you would check to see if updates were available, and then download/compile through the list
[06:08] <yellowdart> shawkins: you can "su" without setting root password... 'sudo -i'
[06:09] <kkathman> shawkins: I'd say you should look into python probably to help out with this...a little more robust I'd say
[06:09] <enfact> i would look into python just for simplicity's sake
[06:09] <enfact> esp with text parsing that seems you will need to do much of
[06:09] <shawkins> katthman the guy I talked to about this, we exchanged some emails and he started me up.... he said after I got a prototype of everything setup he'd help me get funding for it... T3 line include, along with a 100 CD burner for this... so I'm not worried about a computer getting slowed down by this..
[06:09] <glick> python is a great language
[06:10] <glick> i love python
[06:10] <shawkins> kkathman: ok, thanks
[06:10] <kkathman> shawkins: let me know if I can help :)
[06:10] <shawkins> kkathman: now... I've never really used python, anywhere I should start learning it?
[06:11] <shawkins> kkathman: trust me, you help tons by making me think this out....
[06:11] <nalioth> shawkins: python.org has links to many helpful educational oppertunities
[06:11] <shawkins> thanks nalioth
[06:12] <shawkins> another question... seeing as I don't know much about python.... is there anything good, like anything special, I can do with a python IDE... or will Kate be fine
[06:12] <enfact> shawkins: check my priv msg
[06:12] <enfact> there isnt A python IDe
[06:12] <shawkins> enfact: sorry.. one sec
[06:12] <enfact> there are ide's with integration
[06:12] <enfact> so, basically all the usefull stuff regular ide's do for C++ etc..
[06:12] <enfact> nothing real special
[06:13] <nalioth> shawkins: 'eric' is a python IDE
[06:14] <shawkins> nalioth: I'm assuming you know a lot about python.... are you on here a lot? that goes for anyone else that knows python
[06:15] <nalioth> shawkins: dont assume anything. i know nothing about python other than where to go to learn about it
[06:15] <shawkins> nalioth: ha, ok, well thanks
[06:15] <shawkins> kkathman: do you know much of python?
[06:16] <nalioth> shawkins: i do know a lot about other things, tho
[06:16] <shawkins> nalioth: like?
[06:17] <nalioth> shawkins: when you ask a question i can answer, i will
[06:17] <shawkins> ok, thanks
[06:17] <kkathman> I am learning python actually
[06:17] <kkathman> this christmas I got 2 books on it
[06:18] <shawkins> oh sweet, I'll probably go out and buy a book or three...
[06:18] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to get wine working
[06:18] <shawkins> is python good with user interfaces? or is it more of a command line thing?
[06:18] <kkathman> shawkins:  I would highly recommend the O'Reilly Books - Learning Python and Python Cookbook
[06:19] <kkathman> shawkins: you'll need the QT extensions
[06:19] <kkathman> pyQT
[06:19] <shawkins> kkathman: thanks, I'll go look that up right now
[06:19] <kkathman> that will do it for KDE for instance
[06:19] <nalioth> shawkins: do you use 'alacarte' ?
[06:20] <shawkins> ok, another question.... the installation program on the CD.. say it has a gui.... is there a way to compile qt with the program or something.... so the host computer doesn't need that extension?
[06:20] <shawkins> nalioth: never heard of it
[06:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell shawkins about alacarte
[06:21] <nalioth> shawkins: this is a fine python app developed by one of our own
[06:22] <shawkins> its installing now
[06:23] <FunkyELF> I think I read somewhere that ubuntu has regular releases and will support their releases for a certain amount of time.  Which releases are those?
[06:23] <FunkyELF> what is the latest release that is an offical supported release?
[06:24] <nalioth> FunkyELF: releases are every 6 months
[06:24] <FunkyELF> so 5.10?
[06:25] <nalioth> FunkyELF: depeding on the issue, there is a 18 to 60 month support window
[06:25] <nalioth> FunkyELF: 5.10 was released in october (10) 200(5)
[06:26] <nalioth> FunkyELF: why are you asking in two channels?
[06:26] <FunkyELF> will there be an easy way to upgrade from 5.10 to the official release of 6.x ?
[06:26] <nalioth> FunkyELF: i refuse to anser you in two channels with info you got already
[06:26] <FunkyELF> nalioth, I haven't decided which one I will install and wanted to get a feel for how similar they are
[06:27] <nalioth> FunkyELF: ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu are the same thing, the only diff is gnome/kde/xfce
[06:27] <FunkyELF> hrm....
[06:27] <nalioth> all answers are the same for any *buntu
[06:27] <FunkyELF> *loves
[06:28] <FunkyELF> is there a place where I can browse the current packages in *buntu?
[06:29] <shawkins> packages.ubuntu.com I think*
[06:29] <nalioth> shawkins is correct
[06:29] <FunkyELF> anyone know off hand if the live versions of these *buntu's have MythTV on them?
[06:30] <shawkins> the one thing I love about me.... the one reason I never had any troubles in math class.... I can remember stuff without even thinking about it... that url came to me a few days ago... never even used it though... just skimmed by it
[06:31] <specialbuddy> has anyone here used wine
[06:31] <nalioth> FunkyELF: this one does >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[06:31] <shawkins> yes special
[06:31] <shawkins> specialbuddy: 'sudo apt-get install wine'
[06:32] <macd> has anyone seen a bug in kubuntu dapper when any program that does "save as" crashes that program
[06:32] <LinuxNIT-laptop> apparently kubuntu doesnt like to install off a scratched up cd lol
[06:32] <specialbuddy> any idea on how to get rid of stuff that I already installed with wine
[06:32] <LinuxNIT-laptop> it took 30 at the 6% mark then errored and i looked at the cd and it was covered in scratches lmao
[06:32] <iantec> thius accounts privileges are not working i mean when it come to  actions that needs user passwords
[06:32] <shawkins> specialbuddy: I think.... delete the .wine directory in you home directory..
[06:33] <specialbuddy> ok
[06:33] <shawkins> LinuxNIT-laptop: scratches aren't very good for CD's.... just in case you wanted to know :)
[06:33] <LinuxNIT-laptop> lol i figured that out ;)
[06:33] <shawkins> specialbuddy: can't promise anything.. but I think thats where its all installed
[06:34] <FunkyELF> if I install 6.04 will I be able to get to the official release (when it comes out) without wiping out the entire system?
[06:34] <LinuxNIT-laptop> didnt now they were there or else i woulndt have used it :)
[06:34] <specialbuddy> I just want to install starcraft and I did but when I go to play it, it says that it can't find the cd
[06:35] <iantec> is possible to create a public folder where every user can  write and view at that folder?
[06:35] <shawkins> chmod 777 /folder
[06:36] <shawkins> chmod 777 ./folder....
[06:36] <iantec> ic thanks
[06:36] <shawkins> or you could just... chmod 777 folder
[06:36] <shawkins> ... either way
[06:36] <shawkins> first one is wrong unless the folder is at the root of the file system... I think
[06:37] <macd> FunkyELF: yes you will just need to change your apt sources, and dist-upgrade thereafter
[06:37] <nalioth> shawkins: be careful giving chmod advice
[06:38] <shawkins> nalioth: ok, I'm guessing I should probably say what it does or?
[06:38] <shawkins> the bad parts about it..
[06:38] <shawkins> something?
[06:39] <nalioth> shawkins: you should advise folks to not use it outside of their homedir and to be careful using it inside their homedir
[06:39] <shawkins> ok
[06:39] <nalioth> shawkins: the wrong permissions on files (even in your homedir) can cause your box to stop working)
[06:39] <shawkins> thanks, stuff like that you'll have to keep me on top of... I've never helped anyone through irc like this before :)
[06:40] <specialbuddy> how would I remove a directory such as /.wine
[06:40] <nalioth_zZz> shawkins: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[06:40] <shawkins> I'm there
[06:41] <LinuxNIT-laptop> where can i get a list of or read up on what numbers to use with chmod. the man didntseem to helpful
[06:42] <nalioth_zZz> LinuxNIT-laptop: ask the great google
[06:42] <shawkins> specialbuddy: I really don't know the exact risks of deleting that directory, however, 'rmdir .wine' should do it, procede at your own risk... I believe that directory contains the configuration files for your user, running winecfg after that should create a new set of config files
[06:42] <LinuxNIT-laptop> tried guess i didnt ask  him the right question :-/
[06:42] <specialbuddy> ok
[06:42] <specialbuddy> thanks
[06:44] <shawkins> LinuxNIT-laptop I'll look that up, one second
[06:45] <LinuxNIT-laptop> shawkins, thanks i regoogled and found a good site
[06:45] <shawkins> http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/WS-19990114-EM01.htm
[06:45] <shawkins> ok..
[06:46] <shawkins> welcome back kkathman :)
[06:46] <LinuxNIT-laptop> its even got a niftly litte thing so you can see it work first hand
[06:46] <LinuxNIT-laptop> http://www.ss64.com/bash/chmod.html
[06:46] <LinuxNIT-laptop> dunno why i never saw it before maybe i was just being dumb :-/
[06:47] <shawkins> I've gotta go.. night
[06:47] <kkathman> thnx
[06:47] <kkathman> cya shawkins
[06:47] <LinuxNIT-laptop> gnight
[06:49] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ty nalioth_zZz
[06:57] <LinuxNIT-laptop> why did it never ask for a root password during the install?
[06:57] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: because the root user is disabled by default
[06:57] <nalioth_zZz> ubotu: tell LinuxNIT-laptop about root
[06:58] <LinuxNIT-laptop> so wierd
[06:58] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: it's actaully a security thing...
[06:58] <LinuxNIT-laptop> how is that better?
[06:59] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: os x does the same thing...you can accomplish any root task with sudo ('sudo -i' for a persistent login)
[06:59] <LinuxNIT-laptop> how is that better?
[06:59] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: because every linux system has a user 'root' so if it's disabled then they would have to guess your username and password to compromise your system
[07:00] <yellowdart> not just root's password
[07:00] <LinuxNIT-laptop> then if there is more than one user the other if he didnt know so much could really screw things up
[07:01] <yellowdart> well, that's the thing with sudo...only users of a certain group are allowed to use it
[07:01] <yellowdart> usually 'wheel'
[07:01] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ok
[07:02] <kkathman> and you dont know how much you miss sudo, until you dont have it :)
[07:02] <yellowdart> so, you can create other "non-admin" users that cannot change settings with sudo
[07:02] <kkathman> I hate having to su to a root account !!!!!
[07:02] <sampan> is this where i chime in with my little root slogan?
[07:02] <kkathman> go for it sampan :)
[07:02] <sampan> roots are for trees! save the trees! use sudo!
[07:02] <sampan> :X
[07:02] <LinuxNIT-laptop> why once youhave su'd then you dont have to type sudo before every command
[07:02] <kkathman> hehe
[07:02] <yellowdart> hehe
[07:03] <LinuxNIT-laptop> lol
[07:03] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: su is like saying "log in as super user"
[07:03] <LinuxNIT-laptop> yeah i know
[07:03] <kkathman> LinuxNIT-laptop: I personally believe that people think too much of their ability (nobody believes they are worse than they are)
[07:03] <kkathman> for THAT REASON ALONE, sudo should be the choice
[07:03] <kkathman> because there is NO more dangerous thing, than an innept user with root priviledges
[07:04] <LinuxNIT-laptop> yeah
[07:04] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: plus with sudo, you only make a mistake if you DELIBERATLY WANT TO
[07:04] <yellowdart> yeah
[07:04] <kkathman> and who wants to keep toggling back and forth from their own name and root!! its a waste of time
[07:04] <LinuxNIT-laptop> and not with su?
[07:04] <sampan> linuxnit there's a timeout on sudo -- if you're doing multiple commands it won't make you redo the pw every time.  on top of that, you can use an option to have a persistent root session -- in short, you can do everything a root can do and have none of the risk
[07:04] <kkathman> sudo is very easy and almost 2nd nature
[07:04] <kkathman> besides, sudo is a much safer model and more robust
[07:05] <sampan> no risk of getting your su and non-su term mixed up
[07:05] <kkathman> exactly
[07:05] <LinuxNIT-laptop> on more question
[07:05] <yellowdart> sampan: you can also configure sudo (really dangerous) to not need a password from certain users or groups as well
[07:05] <kkathman> people that su to root  forget they are root and all of a sudden things arent set right
[07:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> if it stores the password woulndt that make it easier for some type of script virus to do damage?
[07:06] <sampan> yellowdart hahaha that sort of defeats the whole purpose -- but it's nice to know linux will obligingly let you shoot yourself in the foot!
[07:06] <kkathman> LinuxNIT-laptop: how many viruses have you seen on linux?
[07:06] <LinuxNIT-laptop> kkathman, still havent done that one
[07:07] <kkathman> hehe.. me neither..as in ZERO
[07:07] <LinuxNIT-laptop> personally i havent seen one yet but they do exist and its only time before the become more prevelant
[07:07] <LinuxNIT-laptop> as linux grows so with the num of viruses
[07:07] <yellowdart> sampan: yeah, 'sudo visudo' is how you configure /etc/sudoers
[07:07] <kkathman> but there are precautions for that too anyway...like any other security issue
[07:07] <sampan> yellowdart  with my luck i'd manage to bork the file trying to use vi ... :X
[07:07] <kkathman> yellowdart: I always think of Phil Collins Sussudio when someone says that
[07:09] <yellowdart> sampan: actually i think it's nano that it uses...not sure why it's 'visudo' but hey
[07:09] <yellowdart> kkathman: hehe
[07:09] <sampan> linuxnit, storing the timeout session is surely no more dangerous than having a terminal session logged in as root -- both sessions have admin rights, so if someone could hijack the sudo-time-out session they could hijack your root session too
[07:10] <sampan> but at least the sudo session EXPIRES automatically so you don't leave it up accidentally for days
[07:10] <LinuxNIT-laptop> i dont leave root sessions logged in :)
[07:10] <LinuxNIT-laptop> when im dont so are they :)
[07:10] <yellowdart> LinuxNIT-laptop: not that you're aware of at least... ;)
[07:10] <LinuxNIT-laptop> dont = done
[07:11] <sampan> but you -could- even without intending to (a phone call that interupts ...)!  still the sudo is safer
[07:11] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ok
[07:11] <yellowdart> sampan: 'man sudoers' shows you how to load your gun and aim at your foot... :)
[07:11] <LinuxNIT-laptop> yesssssssssssss
[07:12] <sampan> hahahaha
[07:12] <LinuxNIT-laptop> jsut what i want
[07:12] <LinuxNIT-laptop> ;)
[07:12] <sampan> yellowdart  you sound like you're almost encouraging me to experiment -- tsk tsk!
[07:12] <sampan> ;)
[07:13] <yellowdart> sampan: well...how about "latent safety"...you can have sudo email you everytime you use it...so you can look back and remember :)
[07:14] <yellowdart> hehe
[07:14] <yellowdart> nice...i just saw that you can set sudo to insult you if you get the password wrong :)
[07:16] <macd> be nice to the typog god.
[07:16] <macd> typo*
[07:16] <sampan> only thing i would probably use in there would be to lower the timeout -- i almost never need 15 minutes in a row
[07:17] <sampan> but i'm not sure lowering that is worth having to fiddle with vi :/
[07:18] <yellowdart> sampan: like i said...sudo visudo brings up nano for me...so it's pretty easy
[07:19] <sampan> ohhhhhhh ... i missed that ... is that default? or did you have to change a setting?
[07:20] <sampan> bah, comes up with vi for me
[07:20] <yellowdart> sampan: i have changed nothing
[07:20] <yellowdart> maybe it's the default "editor"
[07:21] <yellowdart> i know how to change that in gentoo.. but not ubuntu
[07:24] <yellowdart> sampan: what's so hard about vi anyhow :)
[07:24] <yellowdart> of course i like emacs way better myself
[07:27] <sampan> yellowdart it's probably not "hard" if i were to take the time to track down tutorials and command explanations, but since i'll almost never use it (not a programmer or techie), it's a rather large time expenditure just to change a file
[07:29] <yellowdart> sampan: well...there are really 4 things you have to remember...
[07:30] <yellowdart> 'i' lets you start writing (insert)...'esc' leaves insert mode... ':w" saves a file (non-insert mode) and ':q' quits vi (non-insert mode)
[07:31] <yellowdart> you can do :wq to write/quit
[07:32] <yellowdart> sampan: but true...it's hardly worth the effort of anything in-depth if you're not a programmer
[07:33] <yellowdart> plus not many programmers nowadays like to use vi or emacs...they all get caught up in their gui's :)
[07:34] <yellowdart> personally i like emacs because i don't like to use my mouse unless i have to...and all emacs is, is a series of hotkeys
[07:34] <sampan> hehe -- nice to know it's not just us "normal" people who are susceptible to that
[07:35] <yellowdart> sampan: that's what happens when people grow up with notepad and visual studio...hehe
[07:35] <yellowdart> i accept i'm a minority
[07:36] <sampan> yeah ... you're right though, in a purely textual medium the mouse can be inefficient.  that i can understand -- it's the same reason i use irssi instead of xchat or some other gui irc client -- irc is text, keyboard is simply the most efficient way once it's set up right
[07:37] <yellowdart> sampan: y'know...that earns you a new level of respect from me...not many non-programmers know the power of hotkeys :)
[07:38] <sampan> lol :D  well i've been on irc since ... sheesh, when i had to telnet into networks ;/  color and gui?  pffffffft!  it was -all- text and all monochrome :D
[07:38] <yellowdart> sampan: really, the only thing that i use a "mouse" for in any extended means...in photoshop on my mac. and even then i use my graphics tablet, so it's not even really a mouse
[07:39] <yellowdart> hehe...zmodem!!! that's how i used to access the internet through the public library's system
[07:40] <yellowdart> 9600 baud :)
[07:40] <sampan> hahahaha -- good old days
[07:40] <thompa> how can i make windows default boot in grub
[07:41] <thompa> i want to switch it so ubutu is not first default
[07:41] <thompa> do i simply edit grub?
[07:42] <yellowdart> thompa: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:42] <yellowdart> the line that says default 0...change to whatever number windows is
[07:42] <thompa> ok, i figured, was just wondering if there was something new
[07:43] <thompa> like a setup choice or something
[07:43] <thompa> thanks
[07:43] <yellowdart> down at the bottom are all your boot options... start counting from the top at 0, 1, 2...n
[07:44] <yellowdart> whatever one is windows change 'default n'
[07:44] <thompa> ok
[07:44] <thompa> also can i remove the old kernel entries i guess
[07:45] <yellowdart> well, actually...if you remove them with synaptic or adept then grub auto-updates to remove them too
[07:45] <thompa> thats nice
[07:45] <yellowdart> thompa: but, yes...you can remove them
[07:46] <yellowdart> i would suggest commenting them out though if you're going to do that
[07:46] <thompa> yellowdart: are you using kde 3.5?
[07:46] <yellowdart> yes
[07:46] <yellowdart> just upgraded about 3 hours ago
[07:48] <kkathman> very nice features added :)
[07:48] <thompa> konqueror is fast
[07:50] <thompa> thanks again, good night!
[07:57] <insanekane> hello aseigo
[07:57] <thompa> kubuntu is real nice now
[07:58] <thompa> system settings seems to be fixed now
[07:58] <thompa> or maybe thats kde 3.5
[07:59] <thompa> is there a question bot here?
[07:59] <thompa> !realplayer
[07:59] <ubotu> I heard realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:00] <thompa> i think kaffeine will play real formats now
[08:01] <thompa> !css
[08:01] <ubotu> thompa: Are you on ritalin?
[08:01] <thompa> how do i get real codecs stuff?
[08:01] <thompa> i dont want real player
[08:02] <sampan> ubotu tell thompa about restrictedformats
[08:03] <sampan> thompa, check ubotu's pm ... that link should get you going
[08:03] <xwolf-> what do i have to edit in xorg.conf so that i can run my kubuntu with 1024x768 under vmware?
[08:03] <thompa> thanks, i heard real player is unnecessary now for streaming bbc
[08:04] <thompa> !FreeFormats
[08:04] <ubotu> well, freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[08:04] <sampan> thompa, no problem.  i don't do much multimedia, so i have no idea about BBC streams (though i do read their text articles every so often)
[08:05] <thompa> i think kde can do it all now
[08:05] <hydenesse> kubuntu is great
[08:05] <yellowdart> well, it's time for me go to bed...
[08:05] <hydenesse> anyone know where ican get xmms for kubuntu???
[08:05] <sampan> g'night yellowdart  :)
[08:05] <yellowdart> sampan: later :)
[08:06] <sampan> hydenesse  if you have the repos enabled, you can get xmms through adept (or in konsole by: sudo aptitude install xmms ... or sudo apt-get install xmms)
[08:08] <thompa> ipod poped right up
[08:08] <thompa> im using it only for hard drive backup
[08:09] <sampan> that's an expensive HD backup -- how about you send me the ipod, and i'll send you a 60 GB hd in a usb enclosure!?
[08:09] <sampan> <_<
[08:09] <sampan> >_>
[08:09] <thompa> its an older model
[08:09] <thompa> shakes a bit
[08:10] <sampan> ahhhh
[08:11] <thompa> i never used it for music
[08:13] <thompa> auf weidersein!
[08:35] <hubbadub> i have a question for you guys, what is the best Linux IRC client?
[08:35] <hubbadub> im specifically looking for something that will save my username/password in the bookmarks, which i cant fiqure out how to make konversation do
[08:36] <sampan> hubbadub  you will get many different responses.  really, it's all up to you and your tastes.  xchat, konversation, irssi, bitchx, kvirc -- they all have their advocates
[08:36] <jariep1_> how do I get mail can somebody help me with ddclient
[08:36] <jariep1_> for dyndns
[08:37] <sampan> hubbadub  in konversation, open up the server list, then click on the "default identity" for the server in question -- then you can hit "edit" and set up commands to auto-execute on connect
[08:51] <hydenesse> iddnt have repos ..and my computer is in standalone mode...
[08:51] <hydenesse> how do i get xmms rpm..
[08:51] <ilba7r> !easysource
[08:51] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:52] <ilba7r> hydenesse, look for .deb rpm is for redhat based distro this is deb based one
[08:52] <hydenesse> it is the same with any other xmms?
[08:52] <hydenesse> ups
[08:52] <hydenesse> .deb??
[08:52] <ilba7r> hydenesse, they are diff binaries
[08:52] <hydenesse> xmms.deb?
[08:53] <ilba7r> hydenesse, do you use synaptic
[08:54] <ilba7r> hydenesse, i guess you use kubuntu so the package managers are adapet and kynaptic. launch them and search for the binary (program) or library you need
[08:56] <hydenesse> its different with any other rpm??
[08:57] <hydenesse> whats make kubuntu more powerfull from the other distro?
[08:57] <ilba7r> hydenesse, we do not install rpm in kubuntu not unless there is no deb or source package which is highly unlikely
[08:58] <hydenesse> so are we free from depedencies???
[08:59] <ilba7r> hydenesse, they are all linux. The diff is with the support you get till you learn linux. And with the ease of maintaining your os and packages
[08:59] <ilba7r> and in this ubuntu is really good
[09:00] <hydenesse> i usually use FC 3 and mandrake 9
[09:00] <ilba7r> hydenesse, there are dependencies but are not a hastle like rpm. Debian is known for it superb package management. You can check these information on Distrowatch.com for comparison between diff distros and package managements
[09:01] <ilba7r> hydenesse, i come form suse and mandrake the transition will take some time but it was worth it for me
[09:02] <hydenesse> the debian packages always complete with their depedencies?
[09:02] <hydenesse> is the debian packages always complete with their depedencies?
[09:04] <hubbadub> sampan, thanks for the advice on how to auto-login to different channels!
[09:04] <hubbadub> i got it working all good now
[09:04] <sampan> hubbadub  glad to hear it :)  almost all irc clients will do that -- so don't let it stop you from experimenting with other clients if you get the urge :)
[09:05] <hubbadub> cool, thanks, but im not sure that is necessary, the layout and simplicity of konversation is probably all i will ever need :D
[09:05] <hydenesse> where can i find package for xmms in kubuntu??(without rpos)..
[09:05] <sampan> perfect! it's all about choice -- if you're happy that's really the only thing that counts :D
[09:06] <ilba7r> hydenesse, if you use the package management you forget about dependencies. If you do not use it you will take care of dependencies
[09:06] <sampan> hydenesse  you can download it directly from http://packages.ubuntu.com  ... to install then: dpkg -i package.name.here
[09:07] <hydenesse> thanks sampan
[09:07] <sampan> hydenesse  but as ilba7r said, if you go that route, dependencies can be a huge problem.
[09:07] <hydenesse> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[09:07] <hydenesse> ??
[09:07] <sampan> the repos via package managers take care of all the dependencies for you - ubuntu is really designed as an online-OS in that way
[09:08] <hydenesse> u mean diskless?
[09:09] <sampan> after install, yes -- there's no need for a disk anymore (all the packages on the install disk are installed already)
[09:10] <hydenesse> oooo
[09:10] <hydenesse> its rather same with yum in fedora??
[09:11] <hydenesse> am i right??
[09:11] <hydenesse> is ubuntu live cd?
[09:11] <sampan> ubuntu has a livecd and an install cd.  (kubuntu too)
[09:17] <inc|stone> how can i get drivers for soundblaster live?
[09:17] <inc|stone> 24 bit
[09:21] <hubbadub> i just noticed some new kernel headers were installed for me with apt-get upgrade, can anyone explain exactly what that is?
[09:24] <hubbadub> i mean how important are they? since it auto reconfigures grub, which is slightly irritating
[09:25] <ilba7r> hubbadub, most probably it is a security update. The image and headers are updated together
[09:26] <hubbadub> ok cool so its important then :D
[09:26] <ilba7r> yes i am installing it now and it is security update allright
[09:26] <hubbadub> is there away to avoid having kernel/header/image updates not alter my grub flags?
[09:27] <hubbadub> for instance my initng flag
[09:27] <ilba7r> hubbadub, sorry i do not know how to do that. I wish i knew though
[09:28] <ilba7r> by the way the image update change grub. the header is just the header c files you might need if you compile something
[09:28] <ilba7r> so they go together
[09:29] <ilba7r> ok need to reboot now to see if something is messed up in my grub too :) take care
[09:29] <hubbadub> cool thanks ilba
[09:29] <sampan> does the update actually change the bootflags?  or just the kernel image name?
[09:32] <inc|stone> You have selected Live! 24-bit and Linux Sorry, no Creative updates are available for the selected query.
[09:32] <inc|stone> :/
[09:35] <hubbadub> no probs i take it ilba
[09:36] <ilba7r> the menu need re edititn
[09:36] <ilba7r> the grub-menu i mean
[09:36] <visik7> anyone can see this stream with any player rtsp://a2047.v1413b.c1413.g.vq.akamaistream.net:80/5/2047/1413/2_h264_110/1a1a1ae656c632970267e04ebd3196c428970e7ce857b81c4aab1677e445aedc3fae1b4a7bafe013/mw_2006_3_110.mov
[09:37] <ilba7r> other than that i did not compile to many modules. The main problem i used to have before was the ndiswrapper
[09:41] <hubbadub> yeah i was pretty lucky that all my hardware worked out of the box, well i had some trouble with my ATI drivers, but thats a issue for a lot of folks, same as ndiswrapper acutally
[09:42] <ilba7r> hubbadub, you know i did not want to install the ATi drivers just for that. Lost 3-d accel but better than the hastle
[09:42] <ilba7r> hubbadub, how well the drivers work. I heared a lot of problems with them. Another reason i was scared not to install them
[09:43] <hubbadub> well, it made my fonts look pretty different for some reason
[09:43] <hubbadub> so i had to do a lot of readjusting there
[09:43] <hubbadub> but they seem to work great for me now that i actually got them working
[09:43] <hubbadub> which took about 2 weeks lol
[09:43] <ilba7r> wow
[09:44] <ilba7r> i have an old card supposdly will work well. 9600 yet i am not tempted to loose such time trying to make it work
[09:44] <mth`MAW> Hello @all
[09:45] <hubbadub> well i followed the tutorial on the forums about 4 different times but it wasnt working for me, then just last week i tried a "modrobe rm fglx" , then added it again after reinstalling the drivers, and now it works perfectly
[09:46] <ilba7r> and now you will redow that again everytime the linux-image is updated
[09:46] <hubbadub> awesome
[09:46] <hubbadub> lol
[09:47] <hubbadub> i should just go back to the ATI driver then, i think, i dont game much
[09:47] <ilba7r> same here i do not game at all
[09:47] <hubbadub> maybe a hour a week of Enemy territory, but its not a big deal to give that up to have stable video drivers
[09:47] <hubbadub> ive been thinking about selling my 9800 on ebay for about 70-80 bucks and getting a nvidia 6600gt for about 130
[09:48] <hubbadub> i hear the nvidia drivers are head and shoulders better then ATI's
[09:48] <ilba7r> hubbadub, the problem is you will also have to compile the nivida drivers
[09:48] <visik7> anyone can see this stream with any playerhttp://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jan/mw2006/m_mw_2006_650_ref.mov
[09:48] <visik7> anyone can see this stream with any player http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jan/mw2006/m_mw_2006_650_ref.mov
[09:48] <ilba7r> visik7, i tried and it did not work sorry
[09:49] <inc|stone> how did i unpack files calls README.txt.gz?
[09:49] <visik7> ilba7r: no, the one above doesn't work anymore try the other
[09:50] <hubbadub> didnt work for me either visik, acutally, it froze firefox for me lol
[09:50] <visik7> hubbadub: no open it with mplayer or other mov capable player
[09:52] <ilba7r> visik7, does not work either
[09:53] <hubbadub> not for me either, what is it vis?
[09:53] <visik7> ilba7r: :((
[09:53] <hubbadub> is there any video stream rippers to rip it right to wmv as opposed to watching the stream?
[09:54] <ilba7r> visik7, not even in vlc
[09:54] <hubbadub> mov i mean
[09:56] <tanzender_uhu> Hallchen
[09:57] <visik7> ilba7r: seems to be a know problem
[09:57] <ilba7r> visik7, do you have a link on that?
[09:58] <ilba7r> for i ve been through that problem too and did not manage to solve it either
[10:08] <weedar> How do I get amarok to play mp3s? I followed the instructions on the amarok wiki..
[10:16] <paines> hi
[10:16] <ilba7r> hi
[10:17] <paines> i have a problem with kicker. everytime I shut down my box, kicker crashes. breezy and dapper3. anyone experinecing the same
[10:17] <hubbadub> did you change the engine in amarok weedar?
[10:18] <hubbadub> what programs are in your system tray paines?
[10:18] <paines> hubbadub: k.menu, amarok, kontact, firefox and konqueror
[10:20] <hubbadub> well i would try disabling the system tray for a shutdown and see if it happens, and i would also try a reinstall of kicker, try that 1st acutally
[10:20] <paines> hubbadub: okay. i will try that. thanks
[10:21] <Tm_T> paines: actually, if it's not too big trouble, compile kicker yourself, no crashes here since ;)
[10:21] <hubbadub> i cant remember what program it was, but on hoary, a program would crash kicker if it was in the system tray on a shutdown (its been since fixed though)
[10:23] <paines> hubbadub: must be. cause the default configuration won't crash. only after I drop my favorites there
[10:23] <weedar> hubbadub, for some weird reason it worked after I quit amarok and started it again, even though I already had restarted it after installing the necessary addons to gstreamer-engine. :)
[10:24] <hubbadub> so it is working properly now?
[10:24] <juif> hola... would software compiled for debian run on kubuntu ?
[10:26] <paines> juif: depends on the dependencies of the software, like libs etc
[10:26] <ilba7r> juif not all
[10:26] <ilba7r> juif, the problem with deb targeting kernel module
[10:27] <hubbadub> computers are odd sometimes :D
[10:27] <juif> was just wonderin' cause i saw somewhere that kubuntu was based on debian
[10:28] <ilba7r> juif, most probbably you will find what ever you need in the repos of ubuntu
[10:32] <juif> i find almost everything i need in the repos :)
[10:32] <juif> just a few emulators i will need to compile myself, i gather
[10:33] <juif> can i have the link to that ubuntu page about compiling software for it ? anyone got it handy ?
[10:34] <weedar> hubbadub, yes it's working as it should. sorry for late reply :)
[10:35] <hubbadub> cool weedar, blast some good tunes for me
[10:36] <ilba7r> juif, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[10:36] <weedar> hubbadub, way ahead of you ;)
[10:36] <hubbadub> heh
[10:41] <juif> any special reason why video looks very strange when playing full screen ?
[10:41] <juif> i tried a few different players
[10:41] <juif> but whenever i play a file at something else than its original resolution
[10:41] <juif> it looks all jittery
[10:42] <paines> juif: what are you using for playing vids
[10:43] <paines> Tm_T: you just recompiled kicker ?
[10:43] <juif> i tried VLC and uuh, that other thing that came with kubuntu
[10:44] <juif> if you mean hardware
[10:44] <juif> its just some onboard thing
[10:44] <juif> VIA
[10:44] <paines> no no, the software
[10:44] <juif> ok
[10:44] <paines> try xine
[10:44] <juif> i did
[10:44] <juif> thats the one
[10:44] <juif> lemme try again
[10:45] <juif> nope
[10:45] <juif> its just awful
[10:46] <juif> like i was trying to play it on a tandy 1000
[10:46] <juif> drops to around 3 FPS when full screen
[10:46] <robotgeek> !enter
[10:46] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[10:47] <paines> well, via is an awful chipset. but thy made an via optimized xine version. http://sourceforge.net/projects/viaexp/
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: yes
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: I recompile kicker about twice a week
[10:49] <paines> Tm_T: and that did it? wow
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: well, here
[10:49] <ilba7r> twice a week Tm_T do you like recompiling it that often :)
[10:49] <Tm_T> paines: that crash might be timing issue
[10:50] <Tm_T> ilba7r: well, that's not often, I use devel stuff
[10:50] <hubbadub> notes the irony of ubotu using 4 lines
[10:50] <Tm_T> ilba7r: I compile amaroK ~5 times a day
[10:50] <ilba7r> i suspected that just kidding you
[10:50] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:50] <paines> Tm_T: okay. i will try that. thanks for the hint
[10:51] <Tm_T> paines: np, use svn if you're familiar with it
[10:51] <paines> Tm_T: yup. using it for  development too
[10:52] <Tm_T> paines: excellent
[10:53] <Tm_T> paines: just use --enable-debug=full when cofiguring, so if it still crashing, you're able to track it, maybe
[10:56] <paines> Tm_T: okay. thx
[11:09] <Phazeman> hi all. sin'ce i've ever done this myself, i would like to have some explanation/read some article about... i want tu upgrade my existing ubuntu breezy to the newly released dapper beta 3... can someone point me to any document explainging the process ? thanks in advance
[11:09] <ilba7r> !dapper
[11:09] <ubotu> I heard dapper is The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. Release date April 20, 2006. Not before. It is NOT ready for use.  Use it at your _own_ risk, when it breaks you need to be able to fix it yourself.
[11:10] <Phazeman> ilba7r: i know those facts... but still i want to try it... i know that to do the update i have to change the sources list but i've never done this for updating the whole distro...
[11:10] <ilba7r> !dapper drake
[11:10] <ubotu> I heard dapper drake is the 4th release for Ubuntu (ver. 6.04). For goals see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals. To try without removing/breaking breezy see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot. see warnings !dapper
[11:11] <ilba7r> Phazeman, i would suggest the second approach if you just need to try it. this way you will not break breezy
[11:12] <Phazeman> ilba7r: you mean the chroot ?
[11:12] <ilba7r> yap
[11:12] <Phazeman> thanks much.. will try that... but i wanted to see all the new improvements in the GUI
[11:12] <Phazeman> like the updates icons and the new control panel and stuff
[11:12] <Phazeman> just interested to see it
[11:13] <ilba7r> Phazeman, this will show it all to you
[11:14] <ilba7r> Phazeman, if you replace breezy though it is kind of guranteed it will break something. most of the time your sound
[11:15] <Phazeman> ilba7r: i will try to get the chroot first... though, last time i've done this was with MDK 8.2.... will haev to clean the rust...
[11:15] <ilba7r> good luck than
[11:28] <tomplast> can anyone tell me how you translate documents?
[11:28] <tomplast> Im from Sweden and I thought that it would be nice if more documents were translated into Swedish.
[11:28] <robotgeek> tomplast: mostly using launchpad
[11:28] <tomplast> how?
[11:29] <tomplast> I have been able to translate programs through rosetta
[11:29] <tomplast> but this launchpad I don't really know of
[11:29] <tomplast> can you give me a url or something?
[11:30] <robotgeek> tomplast: moment, pulling it up
[11:30] <tomplast> thanks :)
[11:32] <robotgeek> tomplast: the only url i can pull right now is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[11:33] <tomplast> oki thanks
[11:33] <tomplast> btw what is the best way to start programming in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[11:33] <tomplast> is it python?
[11:34] <robotgeek> tomplast: /j #ubuntu-translators
[11:34] <tomplast> ah :)
[11:34] <tomplast> thank you robotgeek :)
[11:35] <robotgeek> tomplast: not too many ppl in there :(
[11:35] <tomplast> :/
[11:35] <tomplast> it sad
[11:35] <tomplast> but do you know anything about programming?
[11:35] <galorin> Does anyone in here have experience with sleep states?  I'm trying to get suspend to disk and suspend to ram working.  The system appears to go down fine, but coming back up is problematic.
[11:36] <galorin> tomplast, do you have any previous programming experience?
[11:36] <tomplast> hmm, C/C++, Assembly, basic
[11:36] <tomplast> but nothing advanced
[11:38] <tomplast> i think i have read that python is quite easy to learn and that ubuntu/kubuntu tries to focus more at python
[11:38] <robotgeek> tomplast: /j #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:38] <tomplast> why?
[11:39] <tomplast> i mean, programmings isnt such a offtopic :/
[11:39] <tomplast> programming
[11:39] <tomplast> okioki
[11:39] <tomplast> bye
[11:39] <robotgeek> tomplast: not related to kubuntu support
[11:39] <tomplast> oki
[11:39] <robotgeek> tomplast: don't leave :)
[11:39] <tomplast> oki
[11:39] <tomplast> then i can ask for some more support then i guess :P
[11:39] <galorin> Assembl.. nothing advanced eh? LOL  Anyhow, what sort of stuff do you want to program?  If you want to do scripting, use whatever language the script needs.  For more advanced programs, use whatever language would work best with the program.
[11:40] <tomplast> games galorin ;)
[11:40] <tomplast> have you tried dapper drake robotgeek?
[11:40] <robotgeek> tomplast: actually on it right now :)
[11:40] <tomplast> is it working good?
[11:40] <galorin> tomplast, 3d, 2d, text?
[11:40] <robotgeek> tomplast: i am on the live cd since 5 minutes
[11:40] <tomplast> galorin: 2d
[11:41] <tomplast> robotgeek: is the video-bug fixed? so that you can use webcams
[11:41] <robotgeek> tomplast: i like what i see till now
[11:41] <robotgeek> tomplast: no sure, you mean in kopete?
[11:41] <tomplast> robotgeek: yup an in amsn, it doesnt work anywhere. not for me anyway
[11:42] <robotgeek> tomplast: hmm, i am not sure. sorry don't have a webcam yet
[11:42] <tomplast> robotgeek: oh :(. but it isnt so nice when your whole system freezes as soon as you want to use your webcam :/
[11:42] <galorin> If you've got C experience, go with that, and maybe hit happypenguin.org, and look at the projects there.  You can get access to source code for loads of the games, and see what they use, and how they use it.
[11:42] <tomplast> galoring: thanks :). then I have something todo tody :P
[11:43] <tomplast> today
[11:44] <robotgeek> hey melonipoika , did you get any solution to your problem?
[11:46] <galorin> Maybe I'l wait until my new vid card arrives before trying to get resume working.  I'll be using nvidia drivers, instead of whatever funky thing is on-board this PC.
[12:08] <_max_> Anyone successfully gotten a onboard graphics card and a Geforce card working with 3 monitors?
[12:08] <_max_> i can't for the life of me get it working.
[12:08] <_max_> onboard : i810 , pci : Geforce MX4000 (vga+dvi)
[12:31] <paines> _max_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/EvilDick%27s_Triple_Monitors
[12:37] <_max_> im guessing my Geforce mx4000 is using dubble buffer, does that module come with nvidia package? or do i need to get that on my own?
[12:47] <DocTomoe> I have a dapper problem, maybe someone can show me where to look: MySQL5 does no longer work in combination with PHP5, tells me "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (13)" ... what can I do?
[12:50] <andrzej> jest moe kto z polski?
[12:51] <DocTomoe> I dont even get all the characters you wrote, andrzej . You might try #kubuntu-pl
[12:54] <P3L|C4N0> hi people
[12:55] <DocTomoe> Hi, old-fasioned printer control language on some strange chemical formula I do not remember
[12:56] <_max_> paines : its still not activating any other monitor =/ iv tried like 10 of those sort of configs.
[12:56] <_max_> starting to wonder if its this crap card.
[01:22] <irasu> hi
[01:22] <crimsun> hi
[01:23] <irasu> How to change the resovlution durable? I tried the option in kcontrol, but it didn`t work.
[01:25] <crimsun> do you mean use a different resolution, like 1280x960 vs. 1024x768?
[01:26] <irasu> crimsun: No. Just want to change the resolution.
[01:27] <crimsun> irasu: does the System Settings not workL
[01:27] <crimsun> ?
[01:27] <crimsun> !tell irasu about fixres
[01:28] <irasu> crimsun: thank you. got i working
[01:46] <Mias> oh no: mias@(none):~$ sudo passwd root
[01:46] <Mias> sudo: unable to lookup (none) via gethostbyname()
[01:47] <Mias> but I gave my host a name yesterday!
[01:48] <robotgeek> Mias: did you change it manually, it also needs to be in /etc/hosts
[01:48] <Mias> how to get admin rights now, except copying my old passwd file?
[01:49] <Mias> robotgeek: yes, I said hostname $name as root
[01:49] <robotgeek> Mias: okay, now are you trying to enable root?
[01:50] <Mias> robotgeek: yes
[01:50] <robotgeek> Mias: why?
[01:51] <Mias> because sudo also dont work
[01:52] <robotgeek> Mias: did you reboot after that?
[01:52] <Mias> robotgeek: yes I did
[01:54] <robotgeek> Mias: i know that you have to change the hostname in /etc/hosts, but i don't remember how i managed to fix this issue. maybe edit it from the single user mode?
[01:55] <Mias> robotgeek: what exactly has to be written there?
[01:56] <robotgeek> Mias: the hostname there will be different, which is causing the lookup issue
[02:07] <Mias> hmm there is no /etc/hosts at all..
[02:14] <robotgeek> Mias: ask in #ubuntu also
[02:16] <C-O-L-T> hello
[02:16] <C-O-L-T> Can I ask what is edubuntu?
[02:17] <Vivaldi> hello
[02:17] <rance_> Iits a flavor of ubuntu devoted to schools
[02:18] <Vivaldi> whats the flight thing?
[02:18] <C-O-L-T> rance_: what does contain which I can't find in ubuntu?
[02:18] <rance_> whats the command to reconfigure X (again :-)
[02:20] <rance_> not sure, but if kubuntu is any indication edubuntu is just a different subset of default starting packages, but all the packages come from the same repository
[02:21] <rance_> gotta GO
[02:21] <DjDarkman> hy ,i tried to update to the latest kde ,kde 3.5 but ,there are broken packeges in my list ,what should i do?
[02:22] <robotgeek> Vivaldi: flight is the latest release on the Dapper sequence indicating a milestone
[02:28] <Vivaldi> :(
[02:28] <Vivaldi> robotgeek, thanks
[02:28] <Vivaldi> i downloaded the image yesterday
[02:28] <Vivaldi> (the old one)
[02:28] <Vivaldi> now there's a new one
[02:29] <Vivaldi> too bad
[02:29] <DjDarkman> is flight dapper out?
[02:29] <DjDarkman> and it is stable?
[02:29] <robotgeek> !dapper
[02:29] <ubotu> dapper is, like, The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. Release date April 20, 2006. Not before. It is NOT ready for use.  Use it at your _own_ risk, when it breaks you need to be able to fix it yourself.
[02:31] <DjDarkman> robotgeek: djdarkman.4ya.us/snapshot1.png ,please chek this i want to upgrade to kde 3.5 and i get this
[02:32] <shawkins-away> I upgraded fine....
[02:32] <shawkins-away> but mines was from a fresh install...
[02:32] <shawkins-away> mines*mie
[02:32] <shawkins-away> *mine
[02:32] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: open up a console, please
[02:32] <DjDarkman> ok robotgeek done
[02:33] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get update
[02:33] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:34] <DjDarkman> ok i get dependencies
[02:34] <DjDarkman> so that`s the problem
[02:34] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:35] <DjDarkman> hmmm i get more dependencies
[02:35] <DjDarkman> should i satisfy them all and then update?
[02:37] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: does it say broken?
[02:37] <DjDarkman> no robotgeek it displays dependecies for example
[02:37] <DjDarkman>  akregator: Depends: libkdepim1a (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed
[02:37] <DjDarkman>   kaddressbook: Depends: libkcal2b (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed
[02:37] <DjDarkman>                 Depends: libkdepim1a (>= 4:3.4.2) but it is not installed
[02:39] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: sudo apt-get install akregator
[02:41] <DjDarkman> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ sudo apt-get install akregator
[02:41] <DjDarkman> Reading package lists... Done
[02:41] <DjDarkman> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:41] <DjDarkman> akregator is already the newest version.
[02:41] <DjDarkman> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[02:41] <DjDarkman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:41] <DjDarkman> ...
[02:41] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: apt-get -f install then
[02:42] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: please use the pastebin to paste
[02:42] <robotgeek> !pastebin
[02:42] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:42] <DjDarkman> ok ,but what does apt-get f exactly do?
[02:44] <robotgeek> DjDarkman: man apt-get
[02:44] <DjDarkman> k robotgeek 10x
[02:56] <melonipoika> Hi, i need the kernel sources to compile ndiswrapper. I download and installed a package called linux-source that i found with synaptic and match with my kernel, but when i type "make" i get an error saying that it couln't find the kernel source. Can you tell me the exact name of the package i need to install or how to do it?
[02:56] <robotgeek> melonipoika, sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:57] <melonipoika> ok, thank you very much
[02:58] <melonipoika> robotgeek: did you manage with the usb booting?
[02:58] <robotgeek> melonipoika: it works in dapper
[03:00] <melonipoika> really? i installed dapper on the usb disk and i couldn't boot from it, i am not sure if my bios is ale to do it, at least it is saying that you can boot from usb 3 1/2 drive...
[03:00] <robotgeek> melonipoika: hmm, that's what the guys doing the live cd told me :)
[03:00] <robotgeek> melonipoika: i was able to boot into my hdd from the live cd, have tried usb hdd yet
[03:01] <Vivaldi> use the --force, melonipoika
[03:02] <hawking> are there any zip password recovery tools for linux?
[03:03] <Vivaldi> ?
[03:28] <eXistenZ> I find my Konqueror web browser quite slow, although I have a nice speed when downloading
[03:34] <fit4lfe> is it a good idea to install automatix on your 32 bit chroot ?
[03:38] <ForrestFunk> hello
[03:39] <ForrestFunk> can someone in here help me with a konversation problem?
[03:42] <Riddell> ForrestFunk: you have to say what the problem is
[03:43] <ForrestFunk> i want to know if there is some kind of perform ... so that i can automatically perform "auth command" at quakenet
[03:49] <thompa> im having some problem with fonts
[03:50] <thompa> id like to adjust them to a better state, i know i can do that in settings, but it still is not so good
[03:50] <thompa> first they looked bad in konsole and firefox,
[03:52] <thompa> i set my fonts to default but they still look somewhat poor
[03:52] <eXistenZ> how can I add the home folder shortcut to my desktop?
[03:53] <thompa> have you tried right click on desktop?
[04:00] <thompa> eXistenZ: seems to be a problem
[04:00] <thompa> im just trying to myself
[04:01] <mixi> nvidia
[04:02] <mixi> hello
[04:02] <mixi> !nvidia
[04:02] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:04] <thompa> eXistenZ: you can in system menu s, go to users folder, link it to desktop
[04:04] <Tm_T> mixi: hullo :)
[04:04] <thompa> hi'
[04:05] <thompa> does someone know how to fix fonts?
[04:05] <thompa> !fonts
[04:05] <ubotu> hmm... fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:08] <mixi> Tm_T: :)
[04:10] <thompa> seems no matter what i do fonts are bad
[04:13] <_root> wenas noxes
[04:16] <jose> hi all, does anyone know how to configure ndiswrapper? i think that the driver is already in the kernel so i dhoudln't install anything, but typing "ndiswrapper -i" i get error saying command not found
[04:17] <seashell11> !ndiswrapper
[04:17] <ubotu> somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[04:17] <knubbe-> is there a way to log my wlan connection? alert/write to file if it goes down
[04:17] <jose> thanks
[04:20] <visik7> ,
[04:20] <visik7> knubbe-: iwevents
[04:20] <visik7> knubbe-: iwevent
[04:23] <knubbe-> visik7: thanks!
[04:26] <jimb0> anyone have experience patching madwifi on kubuntu?
[04:30] <visik7> madwifi is in kubuntu
[04:30] <visik7> modprobe ath_pci
[04:30] <jimb0> i know
[04:30] <visik7> but ?
[04:30] <jimb0> but im trying to 'patch' it
[04:31] <visik7> why ?
[04:31] <jimb0> because i play with wep cracking on my AP just for learning
[04:31] <jimb0> and it works
[04:31] <jimb0> but its slow
[04:31] <jimb0> and i suspect a driver issue
[04:31] <visik7> ok what's the problem with the module provided by ubuntu ?
[04:31] <jimb0> nothing really, but i suspect if i used a patched driver it would work faster
[04:32] <jimb0> have you done wep cracking before?
[04:32] <visik7> yes
[04:32] <visik7> with madwifi too
[04:32] <jimb0> so heres my issue then
[04:32] <jimb0> i get IVs
[04:32] <jimb0> but slowly, about 1/5th speed i should get them
[04:32] <jimb0> so im going to try changing the drivers around
[04:32] <jimb0> using 'patched' drivers
[04:32] <visik7> with injection ?
[04:32] <jimb0> yes
[04:33] <thompa> how can i fix konsole fonts to look better?
[04:33] <visik7> and the speed that you refer to is ?
[04:33] <jimb0> well
[04:33] <jimb0> about 1000 IVs in 7 secs
[04:33] <jimb0> other people ive talked to, and the flash demos ive seen, will get 1000 IVs in about 1.5 secs
[04:35] <visik7> jimb0: we crack our  128bit wep in 2 hours
[04:35] <visik7> jimb0: don't remember the speed of IVs
[04:35] <jimb0> yeah
[04:35] <jimb0> 2 hours is how long it takes me
[04:35] <jimb0> for 128bit
[04:35] <jimb0> shouldnt take but 20 mins
[04:36] <jimb0> well you know maybe a little more than that
[04:36] <jimb0> it should be faster is what im saying.
[04:36] <jimb0> im suspecting a driver issue.
[04:37] <Xemanth^^^> from what package i get xorg includes and headers
[04:37] <visik7> jimb0: no should take 2 hour
[04:37] <visik7> it's normal
[04:38] <jimb0> im telling you ive talked to people about it and they are getting much faster
[04:38] <visik7> 'couse the same test is reproduced with a prism54
[04:38] <thompa> i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig so my fonts now look better
[04:38] <visik7> depend on the key
[04:38] <jimb0> no
[04:38] <thompa> xterm or konsole fonts are awful though
[04:38] <jimb0> im talking speed of getting IVs alone
[04:39] <jimb0> not aircrack speed
[04:39] <jimb0> aircrack is all cpu
[04:39] <jimb0> madwifi injection is very little cpu
[04:40] <visik7> I mean depend on the key if it could be discovered in less time than normal
[04:40] <jimb0> that's a different issue
[04:41] <jimb0> that's an issue of how MANY IVs
[04:41] <jimb0> not how fast you're receiving them
[04:41] <visik7> btw I've tried the latest cvs of mad-wifi and the speed was 2hours
[04:42] <jimb0> when was that?
[04:42] <visik7> 1 month ago
[04:42] <visik7> more or less
[04:42] <jimb0> k
[04:42] <visik7> maybe with madwifi-ng but injection is a problem with that driver
[04:42] <visik7> (i.e. doesn't work)
[04:42] <jimb0> yeah im kind of hesitant
[04:42] <jimb0> because it works....
[04:42] <jimb0> just want to make it work faster
[04:43] <visik7> what works ?
[04:43] <p337> Hey everyone...... How would i go about putting my laptop in standby?
[04:43] <jimb0> wep cracking in general
[04:43] <p337> is this possible with kubuntu?
[04:43] <visik7> I'm going to take a coffe be back soon
[04:43] <jimb0> p337 if your laptop is like mine it hates acpi
[04:43] <jimb0> so i use the noapic and acpi=off options at boot
[04:43] <p337> this will allow me to put my laptop into sleep mode?
[04:44] <jimb0> probably not
[04:44] <jimb0> :)
[04:44] <p337> heh.....
[04:44] <jimb0> but it fixed a bunch of hardware problems i was having
[04:44] <jimb0> mainly with interrupts
[04:44] <p337> well most of my hardware is good except sound... i just have to spend some time working on that
[04:45] <p337> I just need to be able to go into standby... because i cannot be loading the kernel between classes... and then connecting to the wireless network...
[04:45] <p337> by then the class has already started
[04:45] <visik7> ubuntu has suspend2 patch
[04:45] <seashell11> p337: try Preferences > Power Control > Laptop Battery
[04:46] <p337> aight.... lemme reboot with kubuntu
[04:50] <p337> ok.... i totally forgot what you said to do
[04:50] <p337> heh....
 p337: try Preferences > Power Control > Laptop Battery
[04:50] <p337> thanks
[04:51] <jimb0> doesnt mean it will work
[04:52] <jimb0> hibernate/suspend would work on my laptop until it wanted to come out of them
[04:52] <jimb0> (the screen would remain black, only option was hard shutdown)
[04:52] <seashell11> jimb0: Don't have to be so pessimistic, it might work, might as well try
[04:52] <p337> ok... i am a little lost...  where do i find power control preferences
[04:52] <p337> lol.. nvm....
[04:53] <thompa> hello
[04:53] <jimb0> uhm, wasnt pessimistic, was warning
[04:53] <jimb0> p337 system settings
[04:53] <p337> yeah i got it thanks
[04:53] <thompa> i could not find anything about konsole fonts on forum
[04:53] <jimb0> but generally i am pessimistic
[04:53] <jimb0> for the record
[04:54] <seashell11> jimb0: and I'm probably to much the opposit lol :-P
[04:54] <p337> ok.. im gonna try it
[04:54] <jimb0> its cool. thats good. people dont really like me very much.
[04:54] <thompa> hey is this thing on?
[04:55] <jimb0> no
[04:55] <thompa> ok
[04:55] <jimb0> is somebody talking?
[04:55] <seashell11> p337: you might have to right click the battery icon the hit suspend or whatever you want, I always have to right click the battery icon to hibernate
[04:55] <seashell11> p337: in the system tray
[04:55] <jimb0> theres an option to allow your computer to have those abilities
[04:56] <thompa> has anybody had font issues with konsole?
[04:56] <jimb0> theres a list of checkboxes of what you want to allow on your Kbattery system tray icon
[04:56] <thompa> it seems i fixed it by changing schema in settings
[04:56] <jimb0> ie hibernate, suspend, cpu throttling
[04:56] <jimb0> thompa: no
[04:56] <jimb0> is your resolution correct?
[04:56] <thompa> ok
[04:56] <jimb0> :p
[04:57] <thompa> thanks
[04:57] <thompa> i went through xorg.conf yes
[04:57] <seashell11> jimb0: do you know if there is a command line option for hibernating?
[04:57] <jimb0> no idea
[04:57] <jimb0> google
[04:57] <jimb0> not being an ass, just saying that i dont know, so google is best bet
[04:57] <jimb0> i feel like i have to filter my words ever since you called me a pessimist.
[04:57] <thompa> well it works if i use transparent schema, the dfault is scratchy looking
[04:58] <jimb0> change the font options around in the term
[04:58] <jimb0> what term do you use
[04:58] <thompa> it says konsole?
[04:58] <jimb0> and what version of kubuntu?
[04:58] <seashell11> jimb0: yea, iv'e tried google once, guess ill go have another shot at it, sometimes the second time you search you do something different and TADA! :-)
[04:58] <jimb0> yeah konsole is default
[04:58] <thompa> its a default new install
[04:58] <jimb0> right
[04:58] <jimb0> okay
[04:59] <jimb0> then i dont know what to tell you it should be pretty like the rest of the OS
[04:59] <thompa> though i installed kde 3.5
[04:59] <jimb0> thats good
[04:59] <jimb0> 3.5 = new
[04:59] <jimb0> oh you're saying
[04:59] <jimb0> your install cd didnt have 3.5?
[05:00] <p3372> That did not work.... it just turned off when i closed the lid
[05:00] <thompa> i installed ubuntu, then changed repos for 3.5, and installed kubuntu (kde 3.5)
[05:00] <jimb0> hahaha
[05:00] <jimb0> owned
[05:00] <jimb0> i told you to watch out man
[05:00] <p3372> lol indeed
[05:00] <Xemanth^^^> from what package i get xorg includes and headers, that i can compile kvirc cvs
[05:00] <jimb0> acpi is teh blow in linux as far as i can tell
[05:00] <thompa> something else is affecting fonts, im not sure what
[05:00] <jimb0> its just terrible with IRQs and APIC and ACPI and APM and all that shit
[05:01] <jimb0> no idea thompa
[05:01] <thompa> it works anyway
[05:01] <jimb0> change font settings
[05:01] <thompa> as long as i dont use default settings
[05:01] <jimb0> unless that doesnt fix anything
[05:01] <thompa> no that wont work
[05:01] <thompa> i had to change schema
[05:01] <jimb0> yeah i have no idea what you mean by scratchy
[05:01] <thompa> well ugly
[05:01] <jimb0> or that
[05:02] <thompa> chicken virus scratchy
[05:02] <jimb0> ohhh okay
[05:02] <jimb0> apply the chicken virus patch
[05:02] <thompa> ha
[05:02] <visik7> re
[05:02] <Blippe> is there more people than me that has font problems in kubuntu? Some boots, the font is real freaking tiny, altough the settings haven't changed. How do i fix that?
[05:02] <Xemanth^^^> chicken virus? :D
[05:02] <jimb0> apt-get install chickenvirusvaccine
[05:02] <thompa> i can help with fonts
[05:03] <jimb0> i dont have any font problems
[05:03] <jimb0> and i have an el-cheapo laptop
[05:03] <Blippe> thompa ?
[05:03] <visik7> jimb0: try on #madwifi
[05:03] <jimb0> k worth a shot, thanks
[05:03] <thompa> just a sec, i found some solutions, been playing with this all morning
[05:03] <jimb0> im already on #whax and #remote-exploit
[05:05] <thompa> Blippe: Is your montior resolution correct firstly?
[05:05] <thompa> Blippe: i have lcd so had to enter vert and horz sync in xorg.conf
[05:06] <thompa> Blippe: then....sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[05:06] <thompa> 
[05:06] <jimb0> whats up with all the sudo, i hate not logging in as root all the time
[05:06] <seashell11> !sudo
[05:06] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:07] <jimb0> ....
[05:07] <jimb0> i hope that was a bot response
[05:07] <jimb0> because duh.
[05:07] <thompa> Blippe: you there?
[05:07] <visik7> jimb0: sudo -i
[05:07] <jimb0> i know
[05:07] <jimb0> but still
[05:07] <thompa> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[05:07] <Blippe> thompa dimensions are the same (2560x1024)  actually, the xserver is just like always!
[05:07] <jimb0> dont want to type that all the time
[05:07] <jimb0> why not log in as root?
[05:07] <Blippe> I will try that!
[05:07] <visik7> jimb0: sudo passwd
[05:07] <visik7> jimb0: and set the root passwd
[05:07] <jimb0> uhm what?
[05:08] <jimb0> why would i want to do that if im logged in as root all the time
[05:08] <seashell11> jimbo read the page that the bot gave you, it will tell you why not to log in as root
[05:08] <thompa> Blippe: x out and in again after that
[05:08] <jimb0> i know the basic reason
[05:08] <jimb0> you can fuck stuff up
[05:08] <Blippe> ok!
[05:08] <seashell11> if you are logged in as root you can very easily change things without your knowlecge that will break your system
[05:09] <seashell11> highly unadvisable
[05:09] <thompa> Blippe: also make sure all is set to default
[05:09] <jimb0> yeah i dont care too much
[05:09] <bipolar> jimb0: if you want a root shell, sudo -s
[05:09] <jimb0> if it breaks ill reinstall if i have to
[05:09] <seashell11> very unsecure, if other people break into your system
[05:09] <jimb0> k
[05:09] <jimb0> hope they dont!
[05:09] <jimb0> :o
[05:09] <thompa> in konsole i had to choose a schema and it cleared out the ugly xterm fonts
[05:10] <jimb0> cool.
[05:10] <thompa> Blippe: do you have a nvidia card or anything like?
[05:11] <visik7> jimb0: seems no answers from madwifi staff
[05:11] <seashell11> kdesu konqueror will give you a root file browser
[05:11] <seashell11> sudo -i a root terminal
[05:11] <seashell11> but it is best not to totally log in as root since you can do things this way
[05:12] <thompa> Blippe:  i also did "fc-cache
[05:12] <thompa> "
[05:12] <thompa> dont know if that even does anything, but its working now
[05:13] <ninnghizidha> Hello. I need help with OpenOffice's Template-System ... may someone help me doing it?
[05:15] <thompa> !koffice
[05:15] <ubotu> KOffice is a free, integrated office suite for KDE. Included is word processing, spreadsheet, flowcharting, image manipulation applications and many more. See http://koffice.kde.org
[05:17] <bipolar> ninnghizidha: you probbly want to ask in #openoffice
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> anyone happen to know how do I upgrade to the latest released version of kubuntu? I tried apt-get upgrade, but I'm only getting files specifically for that release? TIA
[05:17] <bipolar> or is that #openoffice.org
[05:17] <thompa> ninnghizidha: are you trying to save as a template?
[05:18] <bipolar> hatake_kakashi: you need to edit your sources file to point to breezy
[05:19] <seashell11> !easysource
[05:19] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:19] <hatake_kakashi> bipolar: cool, will search up for that on the forums :)
[05:19] <hatake_kakashi> thanks
[05:19] <seashell11> you could go there and make a new sources.list file for breezy
[05:19] <thompa> ninnghizidha: this is the general link for templates http://documentation.openoffice.org/Samples_Templates/User/template/
[05:20] <seashell11> hatake_kakashi: i mean you can go to the link ubotu gave you
[05:21] <thompa> you can also import ms templates,  or create own and save as .ott
[05:21] <damonfiser> uhm
[05:24] <hatake_kakashi> seashell11: ahh bah, I edited the file myself, replaced the names with the proper ones and commented the original ones, out.. now I'm doing apt-get update
[05:25] <seashell11> hatake_kakashi: that ought to work hope everything updates right :-S
[05:25] <hatake_kakashi> :/
[05:26] <Blippe> worked great!
[05:26] <hatake_kakashi> oh well, I'll just update and upgrade.. it will take sometime.. and hopefully all works out well
[05:31] <seashell11> ninnghizidha: i have did that before, i will go see if I can figure it out again
[05:32] <ninnghizidha> would be cool! :-D
[05:32] <seashell11> ninnghizidha: Shift + F11
[05:32] <ninnghizidha> i cant manage it :-/
[05:33] <hatake_kakashi> anyone running ISA sound cards? heh :)
[05:34] <seashell11> ninnghizidha: did you save the document first? i do not think it will do it if you have edited it and not saved it
[05:34] <seashell11> I save templates all the time like that
[05:34] <ninnghizidha> i saved my Template as OTD, and it looks great.
[05:35] <ninnghizidha> but the original document, which shall use that template, cant get those formations.
[05:35] <ninnghizidha> how do i tell the document to use the template i did?
[05:36] <seashell11> I do not know, I always open the Template and the make the document
[05:36] <ninnghizidha> well ...
[05:37] <ninnghizidha> ...maybe this is the right way?
[05:37] <ninnghizidha> i dont know :-S
[05:38] <pussfeller> how do I do that thing where the tv-out from xine goes directly to the tv, but my regular xsession is not affected
[05:45] <iantec> someitmes an error message shows up regarding my sound card
[05:46] <iantec> how do i isntall the proper driver for my sound card?
[05:52] <seashell11> !sound
[05:52] <ubotu> I guess sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[05:53] <VOYAGER> prolly easiest
[06:17] <rosco> someone know why the system hang except for the mouse after a fresh install ? (i386, nvidia 6600gt)
[06:18] <VOYAGER> rosco, with the beta version ?
[06:18] <rosco> the 5.10
[06:19] <seashell11> OK I have a mind block, what is that other good live CD that is more up to date than the ubuntu live cd? I had one and gave it away and now I can't remember what it was to make me another one
[06:19] <VOYAGER> did you install the o/s driver or a nvidia ?
[06:19] <tRSS> hey guys, how can I mount a windows share automatically everytime I log into my kubuntu. I could easily do it in (gnome) ubuntu using the menus and GUI
[06:20] <rosco> voyager: I've made a default install with the nv module.
[06:20] <ilba7r> seashell11, do you mean knoppix
[06:21] <VOYAGER> mmm then im stumped ive seen it not like the nvidia drivers but default no  sorry
[06:21] <seashell11> ilba7r: yea thanks, don't know why I couldn't remember that
[06:21] <seashell11> ubotu tell tRSS about fstab
[06:22] <ilba7r> uwl:)
[06:22] <iantec> where can i dpownload codecs to play media files like mp3 mpg wma and all the common ones.... i cant seem to play my files from my windows hd
[06:22] <ilba7r> heared kanotix is good too
[06:22] <ilba7r> !restricted
[06:22] <ubotu> I heard restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:27] <tRSS> hey guys, how can I mount a windows NETWORK share automatically and places an icon on the desktop for it everytime I log into my kubuntu. I could easily do it in (gnome) ubuntu using the menus and GUI
[06:33] <RobNyc> http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[06:35] <ilba7r> tRSS, i do that automtaically in gnome
[06:36] <ilba7r> and it i used to do it automatically in kde too. Try add netowrk places
[06:37] <asplode> hey guys
[06:37] <tRSS> ilba7r: where can I do the "add network places"?
[06:37] <asplode> when I'm doing the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <asplode> and it asks me "do you want gdm or kdm" I want kdm, right?
[06:38] <macd> you want kdm, yes, k desktop manager
[06:38] <asplode> cool.
[06:38] <asplode> I think its finally done then
[06:39] <macd> it shouldnt take to long :)
[06:39] <asplode> now to start up kde
[06:39] <macd> startkde
[06:39] <asplode> it took forever
[06:39] <macd> ehh, slow internet conection?
[06:39] <asplode> it was downloading the packages at like, 25kbps
[06:39] <asplode> no, its not slow at all
[06:39] <asplode> just the connection
[06:39] <macd> wierd, I usualy get about 200ish from the repos
[06:40] <asplode> I do too sometimes, but not last night.
[06:41] <asplode> uhoh.
[06:41] <asplode> should I have run startkde with a sudo?
[06:41] <macd> no.
[06:41] <asplode> i've got like a weird gnome/kde mix right now
[06:42] <macd> but I would recommend rebooting and just selectiong kde in the sessions menu.
[06:42] <asplode> should I wait for this script to stop?
[06:42] <macd> Yeha I also went from ubuntu to kubuntu via apt process
[06:42] <macd> is it configurinh kde?
[06:42] <macd> s/h/g
[06:43] <asplode> its still running that startkde thing
[06:43] <asplode> and repeating itself
[06:43] <macd> kill it.
[06:43] <asplode> kbluetoothd: HciSocket::open(), bind failed: no such device
[06:43] <jjesse> hmm i have mysql-server-4.1 installed (dapper) and i cannot connect
[06:43] <macd> btw, did you run sudo apt-get update before you swicthed to kde?
[06:44] <jjesse> however i did a sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop && sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start and it shows mysql started
[06:44] <jjesse> any help?
[06:44] <macd> jjesse: there is info about mysql in dapper in the forums.
[06:44] <asplode> is that equivalent to updating the repository lists in synaptic?
[06:44] <macd> asplode: yes it is
[06:44] <asplode> then yes I did
[06:45] <macd> you should be ok to reboot, then select kde in the sessions menu
[06:45] <asplode> allright
[06:45] <asplode> see you back in a second
[06:45] <macd> evrything *should* go well
[06:46] <VOYAGER> <crosses fingers
[06:46] <macd> heh
[06:50] <macd> its working?
[06:50] <asplode> I'm in KDE now
[06:51] <macd> excellent, using konversation for irc ? :)
[06:51] <asplode> only problem thus far: "Error - KDE Panel" could not make folder /home/david/.local/share/Trash
[06:51] <asplode> so i don't have a trash can yet
[06:51] <macd> interesting
[06:51] <asplode> yeah I'm using Konversation too
[06:51] <macd> Yeah youll find if you use the kde apps, they run faster and load quicker than most anything else.
[06:52] <macd> who needs a trash can? used to be once it was gone it was gone in *nix ;)
[06:52] <asplode> it seems like its going to be a bitch to remove all the gnome stuff, If I chose too
[06:53] <aseigo> asplode: just go for the jugular and remove gtk+ ... then add back something like the gimp to get the bare essentials again
[06:53] <macd> well, before you installed kde, doing apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop will remove gdm and most traces of it
[06:53] <robotgeek> macd: actually no
[06:53] <macd> funny@go for the jugular and kill gtk ;)
[06:53] <macd> really?
[06:53] <asplode> well
[06:53] <robotgeek> macd: uninstalling ubuntu-desktop will not do anything as it's a meta package
[06:53] <asplode> I'm more or less referrring to all the apps that gnome uses
[06:54] <asplode> and I now have duplicated for
[06:54] <asplode> wow
[06:54] <asplode> KDE is much prettier than gnome
[06:54] <robotgeek> asplode: want to remove all the stuff gnome installs?
[06:54] <macd> robotgeek: it uninstalled gdm and all traces for me.
[06:54] <macd> most traces*
[06:54] <asplode> sure
[06:54] <asplode> I'm probably going to stick with KDE, assuming I can get everything to work right
[06:55] <robotgeek> macd: only if you install it using aptitude. i am not sure about synaptic/adept
[06:55] <macd> I just use apt and aptitude, I dont real ylike adept at all, synaptic either.
[06:56] <jjesse> so who can i whine about the change in mysql :(
[06:56] <macd> adept seems buggy to me.
[06:56] <macd> jjesse: or you could reconfigure it to your liking.
[06:56] <jimb0> macd: adept is pathetic
[06:56] <jjesse> macd: can someone explain why it changed?
[06:57] <jimb0> am i right?
[06:57] <macd> you are :)
[06:57] <robotgeek> asplode: i wrote a nice script exactly for this purpose
[06:57] <macd> jjesse: try #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel, werenot the developers
[06:57] <macd> robotgeek: wanna stick it in pastebin? Id like to look at it
[06:58] <robotgeek> macd: http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage
[06:58] <macd> jjesse: however Im sure it has something todo with baseline security
[06:58] <robotgeek> macd: though, you can use debfoster. it's probably more reliable (i have tested mine only on my machine)
[06:58] <macd> jimb0: what are your thoughts on "deer park" ;)
[06:59] <macd> robotgeek: thanks for the info .
[06:59] <robotgeek> macd: it did work correctly on my 3 machines. you have to answer too many questions with debfoster
[07:00] <macd> indeed, the script looks nice, I may play with it on my dapper box as it still is gdm based, I
[07:00] <macd> 'll let you know
[07:00] <robotgeek> macd: cool, thanks
[07:00] <asplode> ok
[07:00] <jimb0> havent tried deer park yet
[07:00] <asplode> looking at this script
[07:00] <jimb0> mother fucker man
[07:00] <jimb0> i fucked with klaptop and now i cant run startx anymore
[07:00] <jimb0> :(
[07:01] <robotgeek> !coc
[07:01] <ubotu> I guess coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[07:01] <asplode> so
[07:01] <asplode> this script turns a k/ubuntu installation into a kubuntu installations
[07:02] <macd> ohh, thats harsh, maybee some sort of warning first.
[07:02] <macd> afterall, Im sure you all say a few select words, you just dont type them ;)
[07:02] <nalioth> macd: there is no reason for that language at all. do you talk that way to your mother?
[07:02] <robotgeek> asplode: yeah, that's the idea.
[07:02] <asplode> he's still in the channel i think
[07:03] <nalioth> asplode: he was not banned.
[07:03] <asplode> yeah, I'm still trying to figure out what happened
[07:03] <macd> nalioth: sometimes, but then again Im a grown adult
[07:04] <asplode> okay, I have another quick question
[07:04] <asplode> since I've been using linux again
[07:04] <macd> sorry 1per day limit ;)
[07:04] <asplode> I noticed that CTRL + C, X, and V don't seems to work
[07:04] <asplode> and this bothers me deeply, as I've grown accustomed to them, and like the functionality they provide
[07:04] <nalioth> asplode: they work differently on different applications.
[07:05] <asplode> oh, so each program will have its own shortcut as to what copy and paste is?
[07:05] <asplode> because i've been using a mouse rightclick to cut and paste
[07:06] <asplode> and its a lot slower than the keyboard shortcuts
[07:08] <robotgeek> asplode: you could map F11 key to middle click, and paste :)
[07:09] <asplode> I'm not too sure on how to map keys
[07:10] <asplode> in fact, if I can remap keys, I want to remap my mouse forward and back keys to scroll up and scroll down
[07:12] <robotgeek> asplode: i meant the keyboard, not mouse
[07:12] <asplode> oh okay.
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> I've just installed (I suppose) the KDE desktop enviroment (all packages)
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> throufh Synaptic. Now what? How can activate the KDE GUI?
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> PS: I've installed Ubuntu not Kubuntu
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> Thnx in advance
[07:13] <asplode> im still working on making your script into one on my computer
[07:13] <dark_suic> Linuxapprentice, end session
[07:13] <Linuxapprentice> ah?
[07:13] <dark_suic> and when you have the window for entering your username and pass
[07:13] <dark_suic> look for a menu
[07:13] <dark_suic> options or something like that
[07:14] <dark_suic> and search for session type
[07:14] <robotgeek> Linuxapprentice: logout, and select sessions (F9 key i think) from the login screen
[07:14] <dark_suic> then choose kde
[07:14] <robotgeek> Linuxapprentice: then select Kde
[07:14] <robotgeek> :)
[07:14] <dark_suic> :)
[07:14] <Linuxapprentice> so i choose kde from a session or sth?
[07:15] <Vge> hmm, is it a known bug that if i have extra sidepanel in left and i open KDEprograms panel form the left corner, and when my cursor is over the programspanel and hovers over the sidepanel, the sidepanel shows, but dont autohide like it should?
[07:15] <macd> Vge: dapper? breezy?
[07:15] <DjDarkman> hy ,i try to run a half life server and i get this : WARNING: UDP_OpenSocket: port: 27015  bind: Address already in use
[07:15] <DjDarkman> what should i do?
[07:16] <Vge> breezy is im not mistaken
[07:16] <macd> DjDarkman: sounds as if its already running.
[07:17] <DjDarkman> WARNING: UDP_OpenSocket: port: 27015  bind: Address already in use
[07:17] <DjDarkman> FATAL ERROR (shutting down): Couldn't allocate dedicated server IP port 27015.
[07:17] <macd> DjDarkman: in k/console, try "ps ax | grep "name of your executeable here""
[07:17] <macd> DjDarkman: you can also use "netstat an"
[07:18] <DjDarkman> and what do i do there?
[07:18] <macd> your looking for something using that port
[07:19] <DjDarkman> nothing
[07:19] <dark_suic> that's it Linuxapprentice, when you have to login, search in the window for the option "session" and there just select kde
[07:19] <macd> if netstat shows nothing listening on that source port, then you know the error your getting is most likely due to the program your trying to run needing sudo env.
[07:19] <asplode> hey robotgeek
[07:19] <DjDarkman> how can i open it?
[07:19] <asplode> how do I execute this script
[07:20] <DjDarkman> sudo ,well i`ve tried that
[07:20] <robotgeek> asplode: what are you trying to keep, and remove what?
[07:20] <asplode> remove the ubuntu side of it
[07:21] <robotgeek> asplode: PKG_KEEP=kubuntu-desktop, PKG_REMOVE=ubuntu-desktop
[07:21] <DjDarkman> it doesen`t work with sudo :((
[07:21] <AnObfuscator> are the ubuntu forums down? :'(
[07:21] <DjDarkman> how can i open that port?
[07:22] <macd> DjDarkman: you need to find ut what is using that source port.
[07:22] <asplode> ok
[07:22] <asplode> now, i have it saved to a file called cleanpkg.sh?
[07:22] <robotgeek> asplode: cool, just run it
[07:23] <macd> asplode: chmod +x cleanpkg.sh then sudo ./cleanpfg.sh
[07:23] <robotgeek> thanks macd
[07:23] <macd> ;
[07:23] <DjDarkman> wait i`ll paste it
[07:23] <AnObfuscator> can anyone tell me where to find the xorg conf file?
[07:24] <robotgeek> AnObfuscator: /etc/xorg/xorg.conf
[07:24] <AnObfuscator> thanks
[07:24] <robotgeek> AnObfuscator, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:24] <macd> indeed, Ive managed to make a iso of my base image working and configured as I like it, and put it on my restaore partition on my thinkpad
[07:24] <macd> one button restore :)
[07:24] <robotgeek> macd: oh, i meant in case the script messes up your install
[07:24] <AnObfuscator> ahhh, xserver-xorg ... that's what it was. thanks, robotgeek
[07:24] <macd> oh, hehethat too
[07:25] <DjDarkman> i posted the erors
[07:25] <DjDarkman> in the pastebin
[07:25] <Vge> omg, im starting to love this kubuntu more and more, skype was clearly easier to install to KDE than windows
[07:25] <seashell11> is it possible to make an iso of my hard drive, so that I can install it on another computer and it will be exactly like mine? even if the other computer has other hardware?
[07:25] <DjDarkman> please chek it out
[07:25] <macd> DjDarkman: well need a link to that
[07:26] <macd> seashell11: not so easily
[07:26] <DjDarkman> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/511741
[07:26] <asplode> oh
[07:26] <asplode> thats why it wasnt able to be executed
[07:26] <asplode> I didnt make the file executable
[07:27] <Vge> hmm, what repositories i have to enable to find azureus?
[07:27] <macd> DjDarkman: looks like nothing it using it, Id try support methods for your game server software
[07:27] <asplode> vge: use automatix
[07:27] <robotgeek> !automatix
[07:27] <ubotu> from memory, automatix is messy, breaks all sorts of security guidelines, and is not open to improvement. In short: DO NOT USE IT!, or try !easyubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUbuntu
[07:27] <Vge> kk, was looking that word, missed it from yesterday, ty
[07:28] <asplode> oh well, thats where I got my azureus from
[07:28] <asplode> because I ended up having to use a script to start it
[07:29] <DjDarkman> but how do i oppen a port with iptalbles|
[07:29] <DjDarkman> ?
[07:29] <DjDarkman> the readme says this
[07:29] <DjDarkman> 7) I am behind a firewall.  What ports need to be opened for hlds?
[07:29] <DjDarkman> 
[07:29] <DjDarkman> Incoming UDP to local destination 27015.
[07:29] <DjDarkman> Outgoing UDP to remote destination 27010, 27012, 27040.
[07:29] <DjDarkman> Outgoing TCP to remote destination 7002.
[07:30] <Vge> ubuntuforums are down?
[07:30] <macd> its not iptables causing your problem, its your serverprogram cant bind to the address
[07:30] <divansantana> DjDarkman: Use guardddog! :)
[07:30] <DjDarkman> divansantana: that`s a little bit hard for me ;)
[07:30] <divansantana> DjDarkman: Guarddog is soooo easy, just give it a try, Its all graphical just tick and untick
[07:31] <macd> that wont solve his problem.
[07:31] <DjDarkman> the last tiem i tried it ,i disabled my whole net
[07:31] <sampan> macd, it might not solve it but it gives him (and us) one more thing to troubleshoot!!! YAY!
[07:31] <macd> oh boy!
[07:31] <sampan> ;D
[07:33] <pestilence> does anybody know if amarok-1.3.5 is any good?  seems to be the latest available for hoary, i recall there being some issues with podcasts in amarok before a certain version
[07:34] <pestilence> or, another question, is it possible to build amarok 1.3.7 on hoary?
[07:35] <aseigo> pestilence: you can get the most recent amarok from kubuntu.org =)
[07:35] <aseigo> pestilence: right on the main page there is a sources entry and instructions for it
[07:35] <pestilence> aseigo: not 1.3.7... for hoary
[07:35] <aseigo> ah... hm. in that case i dunno ...
[07:35] <aseigo> you shoudl be able to build from source in a pinch, however
[07:36] <seashell11> pestilence: is there any reason for not upgrading to breezy?
[07:36] <pestilence> will this work: deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.7 breezy main
[07:36] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell pestilence about compile
[07:37] <pestilence> seashell11: yes, the xorg in breezy doesn't work well on my laptop.
[07:37] <seashell11> pestilence: oh, shoot that sucks
[07:37] <macd> that seems odd, pestilence have you tried it lately.
[07:37] <pestilence> macd: relatively.  i filed a bug.
[07:37] <macd> excellent.
[07:38] <pestilence> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20240
[07:38] <rosco> the 5.10 dvd hang on my powerbook. I boot with live, or live-expert and the system hangs at arch_setup: enter
[07:38] <pestilence> don't know if it's fixed in dapper.  not willing to try at the moment
[07:38] <rosco> i've tried the option mentionned at boot time, but it doesn't help
[07:39] <rosco> any idea ?
[07:39] <macd> ehh, I run dapper on another laptop, you dont want to hae to deal with that update curve.
[07:40] <pestilence> macd: thats what i figured.  hoary is about as bleeding edge as i need, though.  with the exception of amarok :-D
[07:40] <robotgeek> rosco: hmm, i'm not very familiar with dvd drives, but did you burn it at a low speed
[07:40] <macd> Im in love with amarok, and its databse features.
[07:40] <robotgeek> macd: yes, it's the killer app for linux
[07:40] <macd> Im what you might call a pgsql monger
[07:40] <rosco> robotgeek: 12X
[07:41] <asplode> ewwww, I just switched to the redmond theme, and it looks just like windows
[07:41] <robotgeek> rosco: isnt that particularly fast for dvd writers?
[07:41] <pestilence> i was in love with it, until i downgraded to hoary to get dual head working :-(
[07:41] <pestilence> the version in hoary is very old
[07:41] <Elsan_> How can I change the maximum amount of apt cache? It's currently taking lots of space...
[07:41] <macd> you can compile anything from source.
[07:41] <rosco> robotgeek: I have to mention that I've been able to boot in expert mode once, and I've checked the media: it was ok
[07:41] <macd> Ive found k/ubuntus gcc very well thought out
[07:41] <pestilence> macd: true, but it won't work if it depends on a newer kde than exists in hoary
[07:42] <pestilence> macd: without some *major* work
[07:42] <pestilence> (that i'm not willing to do)
[07:42] <macd> pestilence: I was just going to say that
[07:42] <robotgeek> rosco: hmm okay, i don't have a clue as i claimed earler
[07:42] <insanekane> Elsan_: why don't you just purge everything ?
[07:42] <sampan> elsan_  you can clean it out easily enough: apt-get clean ... i think it is
[07:42] <insanekane> apt-get purge
[07:42] <sampan> doh! close
[07:42] <Elsan_> Ok :p
[07:42] <robotgeek> insanekane: apt-get purge will not work, i think.
[07:43] <Elsan_> But I'd prefer a limit
[07:43] <pestilence> macd: so essentially that was the question i was hoping somebody would answer, but i guess i'm about to answer it myself
[07:43] <Elsan_> I got Synaptic that does it anyway
[07:43] <macd> pestilence: indeed you are :)
[07:43] <insanekane> robotgeek: you probably need to add a 'sudo' to it
[07:43] <robotgeek> Elsan_: I think you can set limits in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[07:44] <robotgeek> insanekane: no, apt-get purge will _not_ work. apt-get remove --purge will remove config files installed by the package
[07:44] <insanekane> robotgeek: hmm
[07:44] <macd> ehh I use apt-get clean
[07:45] <Elsan_> I used Synaptic, there's an option to do it. I prefer it to Adept
[07:45] <robotgeek> i don't bother, it autocleans i think
[07:45] <Elsan_> Even though I still use adept from time to time
[07:45] <macd> I prefer a pile of poop over adept.
[07:45] <insanekane> robotgeek: no it doesnt autoclean ... it just grows and grows and grows
[07:45] <insanekane> macd: adept is nice :)
[07:45] <macd> to each thier own I suppose
[07:45] <robotgeek> insanekane: hmm, okay.
[07:48] <asplode> hey i finally got the trash to work
[07:48] <asplode> I had to manually make the directorys it wanted
[07:50] <pestilence> nope, dependency problems.  not kde it seems, though.  so maybe i'll still do it.
[07:50] <pestilence> TagLib is too old
[07:51] <pestilence> hrmm the build is still proceeding, maybe that didn't spoil the deal
[07:52] <dutchie> evening .... Kopete can't log my Yahoo Messenger user on ... I tried forwarding port 5050 (as suggested in a forum somewhere) but no joy .... does anyone have a tip for me ?
[08:02] <karvr> is it possible to have firestarter start at boot time instead of always giving it a password when the user account starts
[08:03] <rance> hey guys, got two questions for you
[08:03] <rance> first, whats the command to reconfigure X, I keep forgetting
[08:04] <robotgeek> rosco, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:04] <robotgeek> rance, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:04] <robotgeek> rance: sorry :)
[08:05] <rance> robotgeek: ive been called worse, lol, heck, at least you answered the question
[08:06] <insanekane> robotgeek: will easyubuntu ever come in pyqt format ?
[08:06] <robotgeek> insanekane: i believe that is the +1 release of easyubuntu :)
[08:06] <rance> second question is how do I disable "automount" or "autodiscover" or whatever its called so that NOTHING happens when I insert a cd, or, better yet, how do I define what happens when I insert a cd
[08:07] <robotgeek> insanekane: /j #easyubuntu for more details
[08:07] <insanekane> robotgeek: so in other words "not anytime soon" ?
[08:08] <nalioth> insanekane: not so.
[08:09] <insanekane> hmm ok thanks
[08:09] <nalioth> insanekane: the source is available for anyone to port it to anything they like
[08:09] <yellowdart> anybody know if it's possible in kopete to switch the default chat window to something other than aim for a meta-contact without clicking directly on the service icon
[08:09] <Nemezis> I tried to get back the default KDE profile, of Konqueror's Home directory, but my Konqueror and profiles are all messed up...what is wrong and how to solve it ?
[08:09] <insanekane> nalioth: yes, thats exactly what i meant. thanks
[08:09] <nalioth> insanekane: join #easyubuntu for more info
[08:09] <insanekane> nalioth: i.e., thanks for the info :)
[08:10] <yellowdart> maybe sync it with the standard IM address in kaddressbook?
[08:20] <Nemezis> I want to use my default KDE Konqueror profiles
[08:20] <Nemezis> not Kubuntu ones
[08:20] <macd> yellowdart: Im not sure so dont quote me on this, but kopete can be configured to use alternate user addres books
[08:20] <Nemezis> I followed the guide on the wiki, but didn't help, instead, made my konqueror profiles worse
[08:23] <Nemezis> I want to use my default KDE Konqueror profiles not Kubuntu ones I followed the guide on the wiki, but didn't help, instead, made my konqueror profiles worse
[08:23] <yellowdart> macd: i have kopete recognizing kaddressbook...and the contacts inside. it's just that if i click directly on a name in my buddy list, it opens an AIM chat window if that protocol exists for a buddy. I was just wondering if I could use the 'IM Address' field in kaddressbook OR have a 'default protocol' selefted directly in kopete
[08:23] <jorik> how can i set up mouse gestures ?
[08:24] <macd> hmm, yellowdart thats a good question, one I cant answer either ;)
[08:24] <yellowdart> macd: but i can click directly on the protocol icon i want to use and it opens the appropriate window...i'm just looking for a bigger click area :)
[08:25] <_luca> hi to all
[08:26] <yellowdart> macd: if this was my mac, i'd just throw together some applescript to handle it...but im not aware of any scripting interface for kopete (or kde in general)
[08:26] <_luca> anyone had experience with a crash on reboot in kubuntu?
[08:27] <macd> indeed@yellowdart
[08:28] <_luca> and the second prob is... with my sata HD the led is always on; any ideas?
[08:29] <macd> yellowdart: actualy http://dot.kde.org/972146187/
[08:29] <macd> might be of some use if you are familiar with python
[08:29] <Nemezis> I want to use my default KDE Konqueror profiles not Kubuntu ones I followed the guide on the wiki, but didn't help, instead, made my konqueror profiles worse
[08:32] <Nemezis> whipe off
[08:35] <macd> !coc
[08:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[08:38] <sorush20> should I use ReiserFS with sata ?
[08:39] <_luca> anyone had experience with a crash on reboot in kubuntu?
[08:41] <Blippe> sorush20, use reiser if you are going to use it as a heavily used server, otherwise ext3 is good for you!
[08:42] <jjesse> _luca: i haven't had any problems, what version of kubuntu or you using?
[08:43] <yellowdart> macd: cool..i'll have to check that out...thx
[08:50] <ubuntu> Linux KC Test
[08:54] <divansantana> ?
[09:07] <C2ODe_> kubuntu (last version) sata HD led is always on; any ideas?
[09:12] <divansantana> Maybe your cables are wrong that lead into your motherboard...
[09:18] <sorush20> what is letter m in zeroz and ones?
[09:18] <sorush20> what is that called?
[09:19] <Firetech> hmm, my kmail is duplicating mails in IMAP mailboxes :/
[09:21] <arox> hi all
[09:22] <arox> how to start an app when kubuntu (not kde) loads?
[09:22] <arox> auto-start
[09:26] <hugelmopf> arox: in ~/.kde/Autostart create a link to the program you want to start
[09:26] <hugelmopf> arox: ah sorry, that was about when kde starts
[09:36] <divansantana> higelmopf: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#zzboot
[09:37] <divansantana> woops I meant hugelmopf
[09:38] <hugelmopf> divansantana: that is probably for arox?
[09:38] <divansantana> oh yeah woops me not reading properly...
[09:41] <xwolf-> what do i have to edit in xorg.conf to get kubuntu running under vmware with 1024x768 instead of 640x480? (this last one is the only option)
[09:42] <seashell11> !xorg
[09:42] <ubotu> somebody said xorg was to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:42] <seashell11> xwolf-: try ubotu's suggestion
[09:44] <seashell11> xwolf-: you could also try changing the 640x480 to 1024x768
[09:46] <xwolf-> i cant, seashell11, not in kcontrol
[09:46] <xwolf-> i mean in screen config
[09:46] <ui> hi i just changed to kubuntu and i still got the programs of gnome in my menu how do i delete them?
[09:47] <Usefulldiot> where is kpersonalizer in kubuntu?
[09:47] <jose> ui, try to unistall ubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <seashell11> xwolf-: try sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:48] <ui> jose: ty
[09:48] <xwolf-> seashell11 i use vim :D
[09:49] <xwolf-> do you know which line i have to modify
[09:49] <xwolf-> ?
[09:49] <seashell11> xwolf-: whatever, as long as its a text editor lol
[09:50] <seashell11> xwolf-: what is your default depth?
[09:50] <jose> ui, sorry?
[09:50] <seashell11> xwolf-: could you pastbin your xorg.conf file?
[09:50] <xwolf-> dont get me wrong, kub runs smooth and clean when i am booting normally, but when i boot it under vmware, it only shows 640x480
[09:51] <kosmokramer> must go today 2 alienware laptops price 550 each including shippin case and wireless router, or 1 alienware desktop at 550 including shipping, monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse and of course the tower. message me on aim at mikcomputing, msn at mcsltd3@hotmail.com or yahoo at mcsltd2 if interested and want to buy
[09:52] <seashell11> xwolf-: could you pastebin?
[09:52] <ui> jose :it didint work X_X
[09:52] <xwolf-> you're gonna have to wait
[09:53] <xwolf-> just a minute
[09:53] <seashell11> ok
[09:53] <omerix> how can we use siemens sx1 mobile phone in linux
[09:53] <Red_Herring> hello
[09:53] <omerix> data transferring etc...
[09:53] <Red_Herring> was i signed on all this time?
[09:53] <arox> hi !
[09:53] <seashell11> omerix: you could try kandy
[09:54] <arox> how can i directly run an app as another user?
[09:54] <arox> but not as root!
[09:54] <Red_Herring> su <username>
[09:54] <Red_Herring> then type in the name of the program
[09:54] <visik7> or su -c "command"
[09:54] <Red_Herring> -c ?
[09:55] <jose> ui, ok, then i don't know, maybe you need to uninsall then one by one, but maybe if you have space in the hd you can have both desktop, i find it usefull to have both...
[09:56] <Usefulldiot> is there any way to remove the , for tabs in kate/kwrite?
[09:56] <Red_Herring> whats wrong with them?
[09:56] <Red_Herring> just wondering
[09:56] <Usefulldiot> im just used to visual studio and dont like them :P
[09:57] <Red_Herring> oh
[09:57] <Usefulldiot> kubuntu  is a SWEET pspdev distro though
[09:57] <Red_Herring> huh, well, i have relativly recently took up programming
[09:57] <Red_Herring> and i never use kwrite or kate
[09:58] <seashell11> xwolf-: make wure you prefix my username when you reply, so that I know you are sending me a message
[09:58] <Red_Herring> sorry :-(
[09:58] <Usefulldiot> i cant get kdevelop to work so i just write my code within kate and build & copy from console
[09:58] <Red_Herring> really?
[09:58] <Red_Herring> i had that problem too
[09:59] <Red_Herring> with my laptop, but not my desktop
[09:59] <Usefulldiot> on my laptop i just use vim in one tty and build&copy in another
[09:59] <Red_Herring> huh
[09:59] <Usefulldiot> kubuntu runs like molasses on a g3 mac
[09:59] <Red_Herring> well, a g3 is very old
[09:59] <Red_Herring> and kde is not very good on old hardware
[10:00] <Red_Herring> unless you disable a whole bunch of services
[10:00] <Usefulldiot> 500mhz 384mb ram should run at least decently
[10:00] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:00] <Red_Herring> well, i disabled a bunch of stupid UI things
[10:00] <Usefulldiot> i figured the extra ram would help but even mouse cursor gets laggy
[10:00] <Red_Herring> and it works MUCH faster with mu laptop
[10:01] <Usefulldiot> i used to just use kpersonalizer to get rid of extras but its gone in kubuntu :o
[10:01] <xwolf-> seashell11 http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/512003 this is the xorg.conf i use to run kub under vmware
[10:01] <Red_Herring> really?
[10:01] <yannux> Hye everybody !
[10:01] <seashell11> xwolf-: ill check it out
[10:01] <Red_Herring> go to system setting --> style --> effects
[10:02] <Usefulldiot> how do you get rid of that pseudo sparkly popup thingy on the taskbar
[10:02] <Red_Herring> and turn all of them off
[10:02] <kosmokramer> must go today 2 alienware laptops price 550 each including shippin case and wireless router, or 1 alienware desktop at 550 including shipping, monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse and of course the tower. message me on aim at mikcomputing, msn at mcsltd3@hotmail.com or yahoo at mcsltd2 if interested and want to buy
[10:02] <Red_Herring> it will do that too
[10:02] <Red_Herring> kosmokramer: whats the catch?
[10:03] <Usefulldiot> i have no system settings -> style :o kde 3.4
[10:03] <Usefulldiot> nm just lies elsewhere
[10:03] <Red_Herring> really?
[10:03] <omerix> seashell11: my sx1's data cable is with YSB
[10:03] <Red_Herring> oh
[10:03] <Usefulldiot> missed the appearance button
[10:03] <omerix> i installed candy
[10:03] <Red_Herring> really? its in the top left hand corner
[10:03] <omerix> seashell11: i installed candy
[10:03] <seashell11> xwolf-: you want it with 1024x768 ?
[10:04] <xwolf-> or 1280xsomething
[10:04] <omerix> seashell11: is candy supports usb connection?
[10:04] <seashell11> omerix: I haven't did anything with kandy, i think it supports usb for some fones but I would advise you to google
[10:04] <xwolf-> seashell11 either one of the two largest (1280 and 1024 thingies)
[10:04] <yannux> does someone have made a package for kopete 3.5.1 ?
[10:05] <Red_Herring> did you try installing kde 3.5?
[10:05] <yannux> Red_Herring: me ? yes
[10:05] <Usefulldiot> i think kde3.4 is quite a jump since the last time i used it(3.0). I used to be a gnome-man but the new plastik theme and desktop ROCK
[10:06] <Red_Herring> yannux: is should be in there
[10:06] <seashell11> xwolf-: go look at it in the pastebin now, on line 103
[10:06] <yannux> Red_Herring: I want 3.5.1 to correct msn file bug :s
[10:06] <Red_Herring> huh
[10:06] <seashell11> xwolf-: you can change that to 1280x1024 if it works
[10:06] <Red_Herring> did ya google it?
[10:07] <Red_Herring> all i can think of is that you compile it yourself
[10:07] <Red_Herring> but thats usually a pain in the ass
[10:07] <kkathman> howdy Red_Herring :)
[10:07] <Usefulldiot> hrm theres no option(s) to remove the sparkly popup thing on the taskbar
[10:07] <Red_Herring> hey
[10:07] <Usefulldiot> either that or i missed it
[10:07] <Red_Herring> Usefulldiot: just disable gui effects
[10:07] <Red_Herring> alltogeather
[10:08] <Usefulldiot> does it require a kde restart?
[10:08] <Red_Herring> it runs MUCH faster
[10:08] <seashell11> xwolf-: because you see that your default depth is set to 24 so you can try forcing it to use one setting by taking the others out of the depth 24 part of the file
[10:08] <Red_Herring> not on the livecd
[10:08] <Red_Herring> kkathman: hi
[10:08] <Usefulldiot> im using installed ver
[10:08] <seashell11> xwolf-: if you catch on what I mean?
[10:08] <Red_Herring> ouch, i really should have studied for that math final some more
[10:09] <xwolf-> seashell11 i get it
[10:09] <kkathman> Red_Herring: uhoh... problemos with da math?
[10:09] <shawkins> hay kkathman and red
[10:09] <_buz> i updated the kernel today but lilo fails because of lacking initrd.img
[10:09] <kkathman> hey shawkins :)
[10:09] <shawkins> yeah, hows those exams coming along red?
[10:09] <kkathman> lilo?
[10:09] <kkathman> ugh
[10:09] <seashell11> kkathman: probably serves him right lol :-D
[10:09] <Red_Herring> kkathman: yup
[10:09] <kkathman> lol
[10:10] <Red_Herring> its a 90 q test
[10:10] <_buz> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[10:10] <_buz>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/mapper/hdb1'
[10:10] <_buz> Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory
[10:10] <_buz> which kinda sucks if you ask me
[10:10] <shawkins> 90 questions, out that blows..
[10:10] <Red_Herring> there was half an hour left when i was on the 30th question
[10:10] <kkathman> _buz why lilo?
[10:10] <shawkins> mine used to be in the 100-150 question range though :)
[10:10] <_buz> cause kubuntu setup insists on throwing that on my system
[10:10] <_buz> and i'm too bloody lazy to install grub by hand
[10:11] <shawkins> grub isn't that hard to install..
[10:11] <kkathman> _buz hmnm.. I dont understand, mine is grub
[10:11] <Red_Herring> same here
[10:11] <shawkins> same here
[10:11] <_buz> i think it defaults to lilo if you use XFS for root
[10:11] <kkathman> that was standard in warty!
[10:11] <Red_Herring> oh
[10:11] <Red_Herring> well thats different
[10:11] <kkathman> oh..hmm dunno that
[10:11] <Red_Herring> why XFS?
[10:11] <kkathman> grub is nice :)
[10:11] <Red_Herring> well, it needs some sort of color in it
[10:11] <Red_Herring> its very plain now
[10:11] <kkathman> and the ubuntu installs honor other systems when it installs :)
[10:11] <_buz> cause reiser sucks donkey ass
[10:12] <Red_Herring> i hope someone fixes it in dapper
[10:12] <shawkins> I use ext3....
[10:12] <kkathman> shawkins: me too
[10:12] <seashell11> ext3 here to
[10:12] <Red_Herring> yup
[10:12] <seashell11> it always works good
[10:12] <shawkins> I read a thing on the filesystem benchmarks... but never figured it mattered much for me... don't need a blazing system, works fine how it is
[10:12] <kkathman> the newer distros all use that reiserfs
[10:12] <Red_Herring> plus, you can get drivers for windows to Read and write to ext3
[10:12] <kkathman> SUSE does :(
[10:12] <kkathman> oh well
[10:12] <shawkins> yeah, linspire I think uses reiserfs
[10:12] <_buz> reiser is about the worst fs ever
[10:13] <Red_Herring> not at all
[10:13] <_buz> best way to lose data ever
[10:13] <kkathman> lol
[10:13] <Red_Herring> well... at least its fast
[10:13] <_buz> i tried it 3 times
[10:13] <_buz> every single time it corrupted the whole fs in less than a month
[10:13] <shawkins> I never tried anything but ext2 and ext3...
[10:13] <kkathman> my SUSE works fine on reiserfs, just wasnt my choice
[10:13] <shawkins> but ext2 was... years back
[10:13] <_buz> besides, xfs doesnt care if i trip over powercords
[10:14] <_buz> much less than ext3 anyway
[10:14] <Red_Herring> no, ext3 doenst care either
[10:14] <Red_Herring> not that i noticed at least
[10:14] <kkathman> ext3 doesnt seem to care
[10:14] <shawkins> for whatever reason SUSE won't install on my system.. once it gets done with the first CD it reboots instead of taking in another CD.... not no shutdown then reboot either... just ups and restarts without doing anything
[10:14] <_buz> last time i had to wait for an ext3 server to boot thru i didnt find it didnt care
[10:14] <_buz> took it >3min to fsck a 120gb volume
[10:14] <kkathman> shawkins: but its supposed to do that :)
[10:14] <kkathman> it DOES restart after the first CD, continues and asks for more CDs
[10:15] <_buz> mhh removing all linux-images and reinstallling the current seems to have helped with lilo
[10:15] <shawkins> kkathman: well I'm glad someone told me..... I figured it'd do what the rest do...... never had that happen before, odd....
[10:15] <_buz> now i just pray it will boot next time i try it
[10:15] <_buz> better burn that dapper flight 3 iso before reboot ;)
[10:15] <kkathman> shawkins: nope...its a bit odd...I just did SUSE last week... 10.0 and thats what it did
[10:15] <Red_Herring> its nice
[10:15] <kkathman> it actually boots a couple of times
[10:15] <Red_Herring> im using dapper drake flight 3 live cd now
[10:15] <_buz> does Exa work now?
[10:16] <Red_Herring> my laptop has apparently been on 2 days
[10:16] <Red_Herring> Exa?
[10:16] <kkathman> Red_Herring: Im considering adding Dapper soon
[10:16] <Red_Herring> just do the livecd
[10:16] <kkathman> that way I'll have a triple boot system :)
[10:16] <shawkins> kkathman: I got the CD's for it right here.... just never cared to go farther after it rebooted like it did... I decided to screw it and popped in my slackware CD and installed grub again
[10:16] <seashell11> kkathman: I already switched to dapper on one of my computers :-P
[10:16] <Red_Herring> why use dapper?
[10:16] <shawkins> kkatham: I'm on dapper right now, works fine for me....
[10:17] <Red_Herring> well
[10:17] <Red_Herring> as a primary os anyway
[10:17] <shawkins> red_herring: I just like the lastest and greatest :)
[10:17] <_buz> i got burnt with an early version of breezy on my workstation
[10:17] <xwolf-> seashell11 no change, vmware still runs with 640x480
[10:17] <Red_Herring> how stable is it?
[10:17] <shawkins> it is my primary os..
[10:17] <_buz> wont go to dapper until it's beta
[10:17] <kkathman> seashell11: yah Im playin around with breezy and suse right now, I'll put up dapper later
[10:17] <shawkins> I'd say stable enough to use..
[10:17] <Red_Herring> well, how much use are we talking
[10:17] <shawkins> red_herring: I'm trusting it with all my files... one sec phone
[10:17] <kkathman> Flight3 I hear is pretty usable unless you are ppc
[10:17] <Red_Herring> the livecd works fine
[10:18] <Red_Herring> useless?
[10:18] <Red_Herring> as in not working?
[10:18] <kkathman> problems on ppc I hear
[10:18] <Red_Herring> it wont boot using ppc
[10:18] <kkathman> no it boots
[10:18] <Red_Herring> really?
[10:18] <kkathman> just has some display probs and driver issues I think
[10:18] <Red_Herring> thats not what the release said
[10:18] <Red_Herring> huh
[10:18] <kkathman> Nalioth had some issues on his ppc
[10:19] <Red_Herring> well, i do have to say that the live cd REALLY SHOULD ship w/ synaptics drivers pre-installed
[10:19] <nalioth> ussyes>
[10:19] <nalioth> issues?
[10:19] <Red_Herring> because DAMN THIS TOUCHPAD IS SLOW
[10:19] <kkathman> nalioth: dapper on ppc
[10:19] <Red_Herring> it takes me 5 or 6 times across the entire touchpad to move from one side of the screen to the other
[10:19] <kkathman> nalioth:  relating your difficulties the other night
[10:19] <kkathman> Red_Herring: big screen?
[10:20] <kkathman> hehe
[10:20] <Red_Herring> not at all
[10:20] <Red_Herring> 1024x768
[10:20] <kkathman> jk
[10:20] <nalioth> dapper 3 works. it is functional if not acceptable
[10:20] <Red_Herring> im not sure
[10:20] <kkathman> nalioth: but you did experience some display issues yes?
[10:20] <nalioth> yes there were display issues
[10:20] <kkathman> ok
[10:20] <Red_Herring> a bunch of the programs on the livecd crash when doing odd things
[10:21] <nalioth> but since i can run console they did not bother me
[10:21] <shawkins> kkathman: don't know what was said..... but ... dapper is working great on my computer
[10:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Red_Herring about malone
[10:21] <shawkins> kkathman: don't know why I pointed that to you though..
[10:21] <nalioth> Red_Herring: visit that site and file bugs
[10:21] <Red_Herring> ok
[10:21] <seashell11> xwolf-: shoot did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:22] <shawkins> dapper is installed, is doing everything the way I ask it to, Iits just... working great, haven't had but one problem, and that was when I was screwing around and decided to uninstall X....
[10:23] <TSDgeos> lol, so much people reported the kpdf problem?
[10:23] <shawkins> kkathman: If I put together a paper on this idea I got... would you read it and give any suggestions or anything on how to make it better... or how I'm going to do this or that?
[10:23] <TSDgeos> well, that was not my question
[10:23] <TSDgeos> hi
[10:23] <TSDgeos> and then, is it easy to install nvidia binary drivers on kubuntu?
[10:23] <shawkins> I haven't used kpdf yet..
[10:23] <TSDgeos> easy = aptitude foobar
[10:24] <seashell11> hey anyone here help xwolf- ? he is only able to get a 640x480 resolution http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/512013
[10:24] <shawkins> TSDgeos: yes, its easy to install them.... 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx'
[10:25] <shawkins> I think..
[10:25] <TSDgeos> ok nice
[10:25] <TSDgeos> thanks, today i convinced my boss to let me switch to linux
[10:25] <yellowdart> shawkins: yeah, you're right... nvidia-glx is what you want
[10:25] <TSDgeos> just hope i'll be able to do all i do on win also on linux
[10:26] <yellowdart> TSDgeos: what do you do on windows exactly?
[10:26] <shawkins> TSDgeos: what all do you do
[10:26] <TSDgeos> app developing on Qt
[10:26] <TSDgeos> so that's easy to do in linux
[10:26] <shawkins> then you'll be fine
[10:26] <TSDgeos> the problem is 3d part
[10:26] <divansantana> TSDgeos: I know exactly what thats like! Its tough at first butt def worthwhile!
[10:26] <TSDgeos> and the shitload of win only specific apps that i have to write interfaces to
[10:27] <divansantana> And after time u'l never look back
[10:27] <shawkins> seashell11: I have no clue, I'm horrible at stuff like that.... for me it either works or it doesn't when it comes to video...
[10:27] <yellowdart> TSDgeos: true...if you usually use directx instead of opengl
[10:27] <TSDgeos> no no, we use ogl
[10:27] <seashell11> shawkins: i've had bout the same experience, either it works or you buy a new video card :-S
[10:27] <TSDgeos> just need a easy way to install the binary drivers
[10:28] <seashell11> xwolf-: hey, you did restart x didn't you?
[10:28] <shawkins> seashell11: for me I just install every driver there is for video hoping for some odd reason one of them will work with it... don't care if its the right one or not.... it worked for me one
[10:28] <yellowdart> TSDgeos: you have to have universe/multiverse repositories enabled...then 'apt-get install nvidia-glx'
[10:29] <TSDgeos> nice,
[10:29] <TSDgeos> thanks a lot
[10:29] <TSDgeos> bye
[10:29] <seashell11> shawkins: well mine was listed not working with linux
[10:29] <shawkins> wow.. pretty, using my middle mouse button changes the window I'm in.. learn something new every dya
[10:29] <_grigory> Red_Herring: hey! how's your math finals
[10:29] <_grigory> ?
[10:29] <shawkins> seashell11: in that case...please go to newegg.com and buy a new video card :) I had to do that once
[10:30] <divansantana> shawkins: try kompose to switch windows! Awesome program should be included in dapper
[10:30] <seashell11> divansantana: what is kompose?
[10:31] <divansantana> apt-cache show kompose from universe, a application switched very very kewl! Just install it and then press win+tab and watch!! Its really nice!
[10:31] <shawkins> !info kompose
[10:31] <ubotu> kompose: (full screen task manager for KDE), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-2build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 356 kB
[10:31] <_grigory> can you guys suggest a good BT client? something like BitTornado
[10:32] <divansantana> kttorrent
[10:32] <shawkins> ummmm... one sec, I know what I want to say.. starts with an A
[10:32] <divansantana>  ktorrent i mean
[10:32] <shawkins> Azureus
[10:32] <_grigory> aahhh
[10:32] <shawkins> I think..
[10:32] <_grigory> not that one
[10:32] <yellowdart> shawkins: that's java though...
[10:33] <_grigory> yeah
[10:33] <_grigory> i have noghtmares about it
[10:33] <_grigory> nightmares*
[10:33] <_grigory> allright, lets try ktorrent
[10:33] <judax> Azureus works good for me
[10:33] <shawkins> yellowdart: yeah well... other then BitTornado... thats the only other one I've used.... back on my old window machine
[10:33] <shawkins> try the original bittorrent
[10:33] <shawkins> !info bittorrent
[10:34] <ubotu> bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-3ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 536 kB
[10:34] <Red_Herring> wha wha wah?
[10:34] <shawkins> yeah.... its there....
[10:34] <Red_Herring> sorry
[10:34] <_grigory> !info ktorrent
[10:34] <ubotu> ktorrent: (BitTorrent client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.0-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB
[10:34] <Red_Herring> gone for a second
[10:34] <shawkins> mines smaller :)
[10:34] <JakubS_> azureus is memory-eating monster
[10:34] <yellowdart> yeah, i'm not saying it's bad or good...i thought that you were listing KDE BT clients :)
[10:34] <seashell11> hey i fully agree kompose ROCKS! but so does yakuake
[10:34] <_grigory> true
[10:34] <shawkins> I agree to that JakubS
[10:35] <JakubS_> current svn version of ktorrent is good enough for me
[10:35] <Red_Herring> _grigory: math final sucked :-(
[10:35] <_grigory> oh... studying didnt helped? :\
[10:35] <_grigory> help*
[10:35] <Red_Herring> not much
[10:35] <Red_Herring> there was 90questions
[10:35] <Red_Herring> in 1 hour and 45 min
[10:35] <Red_Herring> like full length problems
[10:35] <_grigory> that sucks. my finals next week, and i have horrible feeling that im going to get raped by those tests :|
[10:36] <Red_Herring> i got to num 30 when there was less than 45 min. left
[10:36] <Red_Herring> didnt make it unforunatly :-(
[10:36] <_grigory> oh..
[10:36] <Red_Herring> it all depends on the teacher, and the school
[10:36] <_grigory> thats why they have so many hw, so you would practice and get fast at those q's :)
[10:36] <Red_Herring> my school and teacher both push finals
[10:36] <seashell11> Red_Herring: aww c'mon math was one of the few things I liked about school
[10:36] <Red_Herring> i like math alot
[10:36] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: one Q every 1.16 minutes?
[10:37] <Red_Herring> just HATE FINALS
[10:37] <seashell11> lol :-D
[10:37] <Red_Herring> its kinda hard to time my answers
[10:37] <seashell11> yea the finals arn't the most fun
[10:37] <Red_Herring> but the problems she asked COULD NOT be answered in 1.16min
[10:37] <Red_Herring> oh well
[10:37] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: what math is it btw?
[10:38] <_grigory> yeah, what was it?
[10:38] <divansantana> seashell yeah hopefully those two apps will be incl in dapper default...
[10:38] <Red_Herring> enriched soph algebra and trig
[10:38] <shawkins> I'm gonna take off.. things to do, people to see, 3-wheelers to play with
[10:38] <_grigory> gotta love trig! :)
[10:38] <Red_Herring> we havent started trig yet
[10:38] <Red_Herring> thats next semester
[10:38] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: you should of just done it all with calculus...would have been faster ;)
[10:38] <shawkins> I didn't take trig...
[10:38] <_grigory> although i had problems memorizing some stuff in trig...
[10:38] <shawkins> stopped at algebra 2..
[10:38] <_grigory> which grade is it?
[10:38] <Red_Herring> oh yeah, like i know calculus
[10:39] <Red_Herring> 10th grade man
[10:39] <Red_Herring> thats not for another 2 years
[10:39] <_grigory> damn, im taking AP calculus next semester... should be fun probably O.o
[10:39] <Red_Herring> i have to say im not a big fan of kompose
[10:39] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: you'll be amazed at how much more you'll understand algebra once you see calculus
[10:40] <Red_Herring> thanks, well, its gonna be too late by then
[10:40] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: hehe
[10:40] <Blippe> calculus is easy... and everything you learned before will fall into place
[10:40] <Red_Herring> thats nice
[10:40] <yellowdart> Blippe: i totally agree
[10:40] <_grigory> btw, i found how to make kubuntu support few "typing" languages(so i can type in, say, russian too) - turned out to be a matter of seconds :)
[10:40] <Red_Herring> good
[10:40] <Red_Herring> glad you fixed that
[10:41] <_grigory> yeah.. still cant find how to make it switch languages by pressing Ctrl+Shift though
[10:41] <Blippe> in sweden calculus is eleventh grade...
[10:41] <Red_Herring> wow
[10:41] <Red_Herring> well, here in america, we are just stupider
[10:41] <Red_Herring> i have ta say
[10:42] <_grigory> in russia its 11 too
[10:42] <_grigory> well, there is only 11 grades there
[10:42] <buz> omfg
[10:42] <_grigory> no gr. 12
[10:42] <buz> exa is so sweet
[10:42] <yellowdart> Blippe: well, in the us...schools arent that competitive
[10:42] <seashell11> if you are using kompose you use Alt+Tab not WinStart+Tab
[10:42] <divansantana> what is exa?
[10:42] <Red_Herring> seashell11: i dont like kompose at ALL
[10:42] <seashell11> and I like how that runs better
[10:42] <buz> acceleration for translucency and stuff
[10:43] <Blippe> i studied 12grade in america, after tenth in sweden...
[10:43] <divansantana> seashell11 I use win+tab default to swap apps, isnt it??
[10:43] <Red_Herring> kompose REALLY slows down my computer, and its pretty slow
[10:43] <seashell11> Red_Herring: each person has his own prefferences i guess lol
[10:43] <Red_Herring> i guess
[10:43] <buz> transparency still isnt so fast though
[10:43] <seashell11> Red_Herring: I guess I don't need to worry about slow computer :-)
[10:44] <seashell11> on my other on maybe but not this one
[10:44] <Red_Herring> guess not
[10:44] <Red_Herring> but with a 1.5ghz CELERON laptop, i kinda need to
[10:44] <buz> but that fade effect is seriously schweet
[10:44] <Red_Herring> especially when it has a HUGE 3.6GB HARD DRIVE!
[10:45] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: nice...sounds like my inspiron 4000 pII 300mhz
[10:45] <seashell11> Red_Herring: this is a desktop overclocked to 3.6 ghz with 200GB
[10:45] <Red_Herring> wow
[10:45] <Red_Herring> my desktop is a 3500+ OCd to 2.5ghz
[10:45] <seashell11> but my other computer not quite that fast, im at the office now
[10:45] <Red_Herring> and 280GB HD
[10:45] <Red_Herring> but i like mobility
[10:45] <buz> 3.6gb hd
[10:46] <buz> i didnt think they made those since 2000 or so
[10:46] <Red_Herring> i had a 30gb one, but it died :-(
[10:46] <seashell11> Red_Herring: yea, I got an e-machines m2350 for laptop
[10:46] <buz> aaah
[10:46] <buz> that explains it
[10:46] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:46] <Red_Herring> i had to pluck the 3.6gb one from another old laptop
[10:46] <buz> and finallz even katapult has become useful
[10:47] <seashell11> laptop 2.4 ghz with 60 gb hd
[10:47] <divansantana> katapult is awesome! Can't believe gnome hasn't got that yet!
[10:47] <Red_Herring> whats all this talk about katapult
[10:47] <Red_Herring> someone care to elaborate?
[10:47] <yellowdart> i have a few old pentium 133mhz here that i'm thinking of clustering
[10:47] <Red_Herring> i only notice it when i type in a wierd key combo and the katapult logo pops up
[10:48] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: katapult...alt+space
[10:48] <buz> yeah in breezy i didnt use it
[10:48] <Red_Herring> thats the one
[10:48] <buz> but in dapper live it seems seriously neat
[10:48] <seashell11> !katapult
[10:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space. When splash screen appears, type the command you want.
[10:48] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: then start typing the name of an application
[10:48] <Red_Herring> very neat
[10:49] <ryanakca> hmmmm
[10:49] <vge> gotta love konversation over mirc
[10:49] <ryanakca> I updated kde and I'm getting pretty little errors.... should I restart kde?
[10:49] <divansantana> awesome app, just organise yr bookmarks nicely! It lauches menu items, bookmarks and the folders from your home directory!
[10:50] <buz> thinking of it
[10:50] <divansantana> very quick! no need for desktop icons etc with katapult
[10:50] <Red_Herring> i found BAB starter to be interesting
[10:50] <buz> katapult is much more useful than my beloved enter command kicker applet
[10:50] <vge> gotta look into it
[10:50] <_grigory> is there some sort of task manager in kubuntu that i can use to kill processes?
[10:50] <divansantana> ryanakca: if from  3.4.3 to 3.5 then yes! or restart X maybe with alt+cntrl+backspace
[10:51] <Red_Herring> sure, ksysguard
[10:51] <_grigory> is it pre-installed?
[10:51] <Red_Herring> i think so
[10:51] <_grigory> oh, it is
[10:51] <_grigory> thanks
[10:51] <Red_Herring> no problem
[10:51] <divansantana> _grigory try ctrl+esc
[10:52] <_grigory> oh, great!
[10:52] <divansantana> _grigory even better! awesome thing about kde just press cntrl+alt+esc and click where you want to kill!! Works like a dream
[10:52] <_grigory> ... Adept doesnt want to start :( damn
[10:52] <Samout> hey... can anyone explain me something... i was just wondering why kdesu asks for my user password, even though what i have undestood it works like su which asks for the root passwd
[10:52] <divansantana> pgrep adept and kill it
[10:52] <_grigory> pgrep?
[10:53] <yellowdart> _grigory: you should use kpackage anyhow :)
[10:53] <divansantana> Samout, kubuntu/ubuntu is set up to disable root because its better/safer in a way...
[10:53] <_grigory> kpackage? :| is it something like Adept?
[10:53] <Red_Herring> i dont care for adept at all
[10:53] <yellowdart> _grigory: yeah...but better search capabilities
[10:53] <Red_Herring> i like synaptic
[10:54] <_grigory> ok, ill try that
[10:54] <seashell11> ubotu tell Samout about root
[10:54] <Red_Herring> nah
[10:54] <yellowdart> Red_Herring: have you ever tried kpackage?
[10:54] <Red_Herring> no
[10:54] <Red_Herring> i always install ubuntu
[10:54] <Red_Herring> then install kde
[10:54] <Red_Herring> the kubutu package
[10:54] <seashell11> Red_Herring: same here, then you get the best of both
[10:54] <Red_Herring> yeah
[10:54] <Samout> and also is there some way to enable one group to use a certain program with kdesu... i tried to edit /etc/sudoers but it didn't affect kdesu
[10:55] <Red_Herring> well, i actually did it because hoary had MAJOR ISSUES
[10:55] <yellowdart> Samout: did you 'sudo visudo'
[10:55] <Red_Herring> so i needed to use ubuntu instead of kubuntu, then install kde
[10:55] <yellowdart> Samout: 'man sudoers'
[10:55] <Red_Herring> but now i think they are on par now
[10:55] <Samout> yeah
[10:55] <divansantana> Red_Herring: I still think ubuntu is far more polished!I hope kubuntu catches up though :(
[10:56] <Red_Herring> agreed
[10:56] <divansantana> I wouldnt use ubuntu over kubuntu tho :D
[10:56] <seashell11> Red_Herring: I did it the first time because I already had ubuntu, now I do it so I have programs from both
[10:56] <Red_Herring> i hate how kde looks by default
[10:56] <yellowdart> Samout: those are the best instructions i can give really..
[10:56] <divansantana> y?
[10:56] <Samout> well i did put right commands in the sudoers file since it works as i wanted it to work when usin sudo from the command line... its only that kdesu doesn't do the same thing
[10:56] <yellowdart> i kinda like Xubuntu..
[10:56] <Red_Herring> eh
[10:57] <yellowdart> xfce4
[10:57] <divansantana> why u dont like how kde looks by default?
[10:57] <Red_Herring> i think, once again, installing ubuntu, then installing xfce4 is the way to go
[10:57] <Red_Herring> divansantana: i think its just ugly
[10:57] <Blippe> yellowdart, but xubuntu feel real unfinished, they got all these dependencies on gnome
[10:57] <seashell11> Red_Herring: yea I use the Keramik theme, and make another panel
[10:57] <Red_Herring> why suck a BORING DESKTOP
[10:57] <divansantana> ushould install superkaramba aero & liquid weather are awesome widgets!
[10:57] <Red_Herring> *such
[10:57] <Red_Herring> i have all those installed
[10:57] <xwolf-> wtf is *karamba?
[10:57] <Red_Herring> mines fully customized
[10:57] <Red_Herring> xwolf-: its like widgets for osx
[10:57] <yellowdart> Blippe: i like minimalistic for a lot of things...no need for tons of libraries you may never use
[10:58] <divansantana> one u change the wallpaper and add widgets its a lot better :D
[10:58] <seashell11> !superkaramba
[10:58] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[10:58] <yellowdart> Blippe: mind you, i used to be a hardcore gentoo user :)
[10:58] <xwolf-> Red_Herring say it like i was a 4 year-old
[10:58] <Red_Herring> sorry, but the default kde is too boring, i mean come on, just put the bar on the top or something
[10:58] <divansantana> xwolf install superkaramba and learn! Its prety awesome
[10:58] <Red_Herring> xwolf-: its small  little "toys" on your desktop that do neat things
[10:58] <divansantana> incl in kde4 by default into plasma....
[10:58] <_grigory> if ill install kdeartwork, will it have any chances of killing my kubuntu? yesterday by accident i installed kdebase something and have to reinstall after that :( it just didnt boot
[10:58] <Red_Herring> they live there
[10:59] <seashell11> bar on top and bottom, that is one thing I have the same as gnome
[10:59] <xwolf-> oh, now we're getting somewhere
[10:59] <xwolf-> let me check the site
[10:59] <Red_Herring> its kinda pointless, just eyecandy
[11:00] <Red_Herring> i just think thta there are PLENTY of ways it can be cleaned up, and also, how bout coming with a new theme that looks interesting
[11:00] <divansantana> the cpu - ps - battery - cpu temp - monitoring is useful though!!
[11:00] <Blippe> packages to be a I love the minimalism in xfce, (when working in windows i exchanged everything to stuff from tinyapps.org and turned of everthing), but xubuntu uses tooo many gnomepackages to really be a what i expedcted from xfce
[11:00] <seashell11> Red_Herring: yea its just eyecandy, but it got my dad convinced to let me switch his computer over, he fell in love with the weather being on his desktop like that
[11:00] <Blippe> hopefully it will all change in dapper
[11:01] <Blippe>  I love the minimalism in xfce, (when working in windows i exchanged everything to stuff from tinyapps.org and turned of everthing), but xubuntu uses tooo many gnomepackages to really be a what i expedcted from xfce
[11:01] <Blippe> bah, stupid freaking keyboard
[11:01] <divansantana> ip monitor is very useful widget too!!
[11:01] <yellowdart> Blippe: but xfce is based on gtk...so it's not unexpected
[11:01] <Red_Herring> some are useful
[11:01] <divansantana> and stock market thing if u use it...
[11:01] <Red_Herring> but painfully slow
[11:01] <divansantana> most r not agreed! Mine aren't slow... 1.5ghz centrino, 512mb
[11:02] <Red_Herring> well thats the key, a centrino
[11:02] <Red_Herring> i have a CELERON
[11:02] <divansantana> Centrino is mobile version of intel's cpu
[11:02] <Red_Herring> i know
[11:02] <Red_Herring> but celerons suck
[11:02] <divansantana> oh my bad! Yeah agreed! sorry :(
[11:02] <_grigory> do i need any extra software to install widgets?
[11:03] <divansantana> has anyone tried getting google earth to work on linux?
[11:03] <seashell11> Red_Herring: its a celeron that I got, overclocked to 3.6ghz
[11:03] <Red_Herring> its just that on a beast machine, sure they are nice and fast, but under a minimalistic kde... i cant afford that
[11:03] <larsivi> centrino is the whole platform, not just the processor
[11:03] <Red_Herring> whatever
[11:03] <larsivi> the processors are called Pentium-M
[11:03] <Red_Herring> the point is my computer is significantly slower than his
[11:03] <larsivi> I've got a Pentium-M, and it's fast :)
[11:03] <divansantana> _grigory you need superkaramba and then open it...
[11:04] <seashell11> Red_Herring: buy you a now one
[11:04] <_grigory> ok.. lets find that
[11:04] <seashell11> :-S
[11:04] <Red_Herring> anyone willing to give me one?
[11:04] <seashell11> s/now/new
[11:04] <divansantana> has anyone actually used kpackage? Is it any good? adv/disadv??
[11:05] <divansantana> haha sorry I wish I was rich :D
[11:05] <_grigory> it didnt work for me... said that my password is wrong, although its totaly correct
[11:05] <Red_Herring> i was amazed by how remarkably faster kde runs when smb4k, kompose, and many other useless things were turned off, along with special effects
[11:05] <seashell11> divansantana: i tried kpackage, switched back to suod apt-* though
[11:06] <divansantana> _grigory explain in more detail
[11:06] <Red_Herring> to enable root:
[11:06] <divansantana> seashell11: did u find it better than adept?
[11:06] <Red_Herring> sudo passwd root
[11:06] <Red_Herring> thats it
[11:06] <seashell11> I dunno, never tried adept
[11:06] <Red_Herring> then that password thing should work
[11:06] <_grigory> when i try to install the package it asks for my pswd, just as it should, but keeps telling me that its wrong
[11:06] <Red_Herring> adept == crappy
[11:07] <_grigory> adept is not starting either... damn
[11:07] <divansantana> adept is basic but def crappy...
[11:07] <seashell11> ther is also kynaptic
[11:07] <Red_Herring> _grigory: that may be that its asking for it using su...
[11:07] <divansantana> _grigory reboot!
[11:07] <Red_Herring> which is disabled
[11:07] <Red_Herring> no
[11:07] <Red_Herring> just try to enable root, and see what happens
[11:07] <_grigory> ys, reboot. last time i rebooted everything crashed.. hope it goes better this time O.o
[11:08] <Red_Herring> try not to reboot now
[11:08] <Red_Herring> just try that fix i just mentioned
[11:08] <divansantana> where do u get kynaptic for breezy tho
[11:08] <Red_Herring> universe?
[11:08] <seashell11> sudo apt-get install kynaptic
[11:08] <Red_Herring> or is it in the main repos
[11:08] <_grigory> how do i 'enable root' though?
[11:09] <seashell11> I don't have a clue which repo, I just have all the repo's enabled all the time
[11:09] <Red_Herring> _grigory: in the terminal type this:
[11:09] <Red_Herring> sudo passwd root
[11:09] <divansantana> seashell11: kewl I never thought  it was there :)
[11:09] <Red_Herring> then do whatever it says next
[11:09] <_grigory> k, done
[11:09] <Red_Herring> anything change?
[11:09] <seashell11> !info kynaptic
[11:09] <jorik> adept is pretty good ... i like it over synaptic
[11:09] <ubotu> kynaptic: (Graphical package manager), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1:0.55+cvs20050115-0ubuntu8 (breezy), Packaged size: 288 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB
[11:10] <_grigory> kpackage is loading.. slow
[11:10] <Red_Herring> jorik: really? i hate adept
[11:10] <seashell11> synaptic over kynaptic
[11:10] <Red_Herring> !info kubuntu-desktop
[11:10] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.55 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[11:10] <seashell11> no like kpackage
[11:10] <Red_Herring> neat
[11:10] <_grigory> Red: yeah, it worked fine
[11:11] <Red_Herring> wow...
[11:11] <Red_Herring> and WHO TOLD HIM TO REBOOT?
[11:11] <Red_Herring> divansantana?
[11:11] <divansantana> darn kynaptic is darn ugly I remember it! uninstalled it already...
[11:11] <_grigory> :)
[11:11] <seashell11> divansantana: yea, me no like
[11:11] <seashell11> cli is the only way
[11:12] <_grigory> kdeartpackage is downloading... 300 kb\sec, still takes a long time
[11:12] <Red_Herring> anyone know any *GOOD* drivers for windows that can r/w ext3 partitions w/o giving me filesystem errors at bootup?
[11:12] <divansantana> nope
[11:12] <jorik> nope
[11:12] <seashell11> _grigory: doesn't that install by default?
[11:13] <_grigory> i am not sure...
[11:13] <Red_Herring> seashell11: no, thats an optional one
[11:13] <Red_Herring> usually its kubuntu artwork
[11:13] <Red_Herring> not kde
[11:13] <_grigory> ph, thats the thing about kpackage
[11:13] <_grigory> adept told me whether package is installed already
[11:14] <_grigory> kpackage doesnt tell you that in the main window
[11:14] <vge> hmm, somebody can tell a good burning software?
[11:15] <Red_Herring> i got a question, why not put in more wireless modules by default?
[11:15] <Red_Herring> vge: K3b
[11:15] <Red_Herring> its great
[11:15] <seashell11> !info k3b
[11:15] <ubotu> k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.12.2-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3658 kB, Installed size: 7880 kB
[11:15] <vge> ill look into it
[11:16] <Red_Herring> but the wireless card i *really* like is never included in any distro but whax
[11:16] <seashell11> Red_Herring: agreed Kompose sucks, it keeps on filling up my terminal with thing i don't want so goodby kompose
[11:16] <divansantana> what you mean seashell11?
[11:17] <divansantana> What can rip a DVD?? K3B?
[11:17] <poningru> divansantana: many things
[11:17] <divansantana> Does anyone know how to make an iso image of a cd using k3b or anything??
[11:17] <poningru> !rip
[11:17] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, poningru
[11:17] <poningru> hold on let me go find it
[11:17] <poningru> grr
[11:18] <Red_Herring> divansantana: k3b can
[11:18] <divansantana> kde app prefered
[11:18] <divansantana> how??
[11:18] <poningru> not sure about the dvd thing
[11:18] <seashell11> divansantana: ill post a screenshot
[11:18] <divansantana> kewl
[11:18] <Red_Herring> just make a normal cd, but whenit gets to the burning screen, save it to the hard drive where it says something about making an image of it
[11:18] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...when i run apps with kdesu or sudo the root fonts are too small...how can i change the fonet size?
[11:19] <divansantana> it saves it as .img instead of .iso :( then can't mount it :(
[11:19] <Mias> !celestia
[11:19] <ubotu> Mias: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:19] <Red_Herring> really? just rename it to .iso
[11:19] <Mias> yeah right
[11:19] <divansantana> in system settings m_tadeu appeareances => font
[11:20] <divansantana> I haven't tried that...
[11:20] <Red_Herring> divansantana: i think they are the same thing really
[11:20] <divansantana> I swear it use to work! Can't remeber how... :(
[11:20] <divansantana> I'l try
[11:20] <vge> ya, k3b is pro enough :)
[11:21] <seashell11> divansantana: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7337
[11:23] <Usefulldiot> Whenever i try and remove a directory off a usbstick with konqueror it says "Creating folders is not supported with protocol trash"
[11:24] <Red_Herring> do shift-delete instead
[11:24] <Usefulldiot> ahhh thankyou, saves much repetitive console work
[11:24] <Usefulldiot> (compile + testing) with a psp
[11:25] <divansantana> seashell11 thats probably because you opened kompose from terminal try open from alt+f2 rather and you won't get that!
[11:26] <divansantana> Still writes image as .img ! errr
[11:26] <divansantana> Will try rename when its done though... :(
[11:28] <seashell11> divansantana: what program are you using?
[11:29] <divansantana> k3b for trying to make iso image of dvd
[11:29] <seashell11> divansantana: oh by the way that did work to open it the other way
[11:29] <divansantana> Did you understand what I was saying about kompose and teminal problem...
[11:30] <divansantana> seashell11 if you run an app from terminal you see all its messages, this is ideal if you trying to see why it crashes or what its doing, just to keep that in mind, it help me :D
[11:30] <_grigory> wow... like 15 adept windowses just poped up in a second.. after they did not appear 15 mins ago... better late then never i guess
[11:30] <divansantana> haha
[11:31] <seashell11> _grigory: sometimes, lol, but I don't know if that applies with all 15 of them :-D
[11:31] <_grigory> :) and they all started t oask for my root pswrd... killed and killed
[11:32] <seashell11> uh, problems when hard drive makes weird screetching noises and computer wont boot............ :-S
[11:32] <_grigory> yeah, thats unpleasant
[11:33] <yellowdart> seashell11: that noise is probably just so you know it's running :-D
[11:33] <_grigory> anyone uses licq here?
[11:33] <seashell11> that's what one of my friends say is happening to their's, so I guess I get to fix computer tonight
[11:33] <_grigory> fucking thing dont want to connect to the server :(
[11:33] <_grigory> doesnt*
[11:34] <divansantana> language....
[11:34] <divansantana> try kopete
[11:34] <seashell11> yellowdart: lol yea sure know its running all right, I could here it over the fone
[11:34] <_grigory> hey, iv been learning english for a year only
[11:34] <_grigory> ohh, you mean f* word
[11:34] <divansantana> haha :D
[11:34] <_grigory> :D
[11:34] <_grigory> oh well
[11:35] <divansantana> kopete for icq?
[11:35] <seashell11> yea, i use kopete, and actually like it better than konversation
[11:35] <_grigory> no, its just that i cant find where to change char. encoding in kopete or gaim
[11:36] <divansantana> seashell11 you mean you use it now to talk?? Here?
[11:36] <_grigory> so i cant read anything in russian, and licq goes around that nicely by having a button for this right in the msg window
[11:36] <seashell11> divansantana: yea!
[11:36] <divansantana> kewl, I should try that...
[11:36] <seashell11> then all my messages from other im protocols will pop up in tabs in the same window
[11:37] <divansantana> okay...
[11:37] <seashell11> and you can add chanells to your buddy list
[11:38] <_grigory> you can do the same in GAIM probably
[11:38] <_grigory> i should try that now..
[11:38] <divansantana> hmmm i must try...
[11:38] <_grigory> how do i register my nickname here?
[11:39] <Syuusuke> ./msg nickserv register
[11:39] <_grigory> oh, its nickserv
[11:39] <Syuusuke> just follow the syntax after
[11:39] <_grigory> damn, "grigory" is already in use :(
[11:39] <Syuusuke> heh
[11:39] <_grigory> hate choosing nicks
[11:39] <_grigory> aight, be it "codemrus"
[11:40] <Red_Herring> yeah, someone took red_herring
[11:40] <seashell11> yea you can do it in gaim to, but i don't like the way gaim and kde run together
[11:40] <_grigory> wait.. thats too banal... ill stick with my name probably
[11:40] <Red_Herring> actually under AIM someone actually is Red_Herring
[11:40] <Red_Herring> which surprised me
[11:42] <_grigory> lets try logging in here from GAIM
[11:42] <_grigory> oh, working
[11:42] <seashell11> yep
[11:42] <seashell11> I like the way kopete does it better though
[11:42] <_grigory> nice! icq, msn, irc, all in one place
[11:43] <seashell11> _grigory: yea I luv it
[11:43] <_grigory> how do i "login" with my nick here?
[11:43] <_grigory> it says that im using someone elses nick
[11:43] <_grigory> although i just registered it
[11:43] <Syuusuke> ./nick yournamehere
[11:43] <Red_Herring> its you thats using it
[11:44] <_grigory> and entered pswd in gaim..
[11:44] <Syuusuke> then identify yourself
[11:44] <jorik> and kill him !
[11:44] <_grigory> yeah, how do i do that? after two years of not using IRC completely forgot all the commands
[11:45] <Syuusuke> ./msg nickserv identify passwordhere
[11:46] <Syuusuke> make sure you do it in the status window
[11:46] <Syuusuke> not here, just incase you mispelled it and you'll post your password to your login
[11:46] <_grigory> oh, ok, thanks!
[11:47] <Red_Herring> dont use the "." either
[11:47] <_grigory> :) well i do remember some things ;)
[11:47] <Red_Herring> ok good
[11:47] <Red_Herring> some people in the forums...
[11:47] <Red_Herring> just hafta be sure
[11:48] <_grigory> sweet, working
[11:48] <Syuusuke> awesome gj
[11:48] <_grigory> i remember we even had those channel wars, taking over the popular wars, setting up war-bots
[11:48] <_grigory> good old times
[11:49] <Red_Herring> well...
[11:50] <Red_Herring> i remember last month our bot made lilo come in
[11:50] <lebomb> hi
[11:50] <Syuusuke> hello :)
[11:50] <Red_Herring> he yelled at us for a while, then another admin came in
[11:50] <Red_Herring> turns out making clones of our bot is NOT a good idea
[11:50] <_grigory> hi lebomb
[11:50] <_grigory> =))
[11:51] <_grigory> lilo - admin?
[11:51] <Red_Herring> yup
[11:51] <visik7> is there some helix amarok plugin  ?
[11:51] <_grigory> and whos our bot?
[11:51] <Red_Herring> lilo as in the head of freenode
[11:51] <_grigory> !info bot!
[11:51] <Red_Herring> i think ubotu is the bot here
[11:51] <_grigory> oh, ubotu
[11:51] <lebomb> I'm trying to connect to my wireless network, but I'm not broadcasting my SSID. What do I edit in wireless.opts to specify one?
[11:52] <Syuusuke> hrm
[11:52] <Red_Herring> just do iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid>
[11:52] <Syuusuke> don't you edit the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[11:52] <lebomb> how do i get it to save though?
[11:52] <Syuusuke> or yeah you can do that also
[11:52] <Red_Herring> well
[11:52] <lebomb> i added eth1 to my interfaces file
[11:53] <Red_Herring> just make sure it works now with iwconfig
[11:53] <Red_Herring> then the exact command is:
[11:53] <lebomb> it's working, i'm using it now
[11:53] <Red_Herring> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid <whatever it is>
[11:53] <lebomb> yeah i did that already
[11:53] <Red_Herring> oh
[11:53] <Red_Herring> wow
[11:53] <Red_Herring> sorry
[11:53] <lebomb> sorry
[11:53] <lebomb> i should have explained
[11:53] <Red_Herring> my bad
[11:53] <lebomb> how do I get it to save?
[11:54] <Syuusuke> haha
[11:54] <Red_Herring> not sure
[11:54] <lebomb> lol
[11:54] <lebomb> do you do this everytime you want to use your wireless?
[11:54] <Syuusuke> edit your /etc/network/interfaces
[11:54] <Syuusuke> and add it under your iface eth1
[11:55] <Syuusuke> or whatever interface name it is
[11:55] <lebomb> ok
[11:55] <lebomb> as an option?
[11:55] <Syuusuke> add this
[11:55] <Syuusuke> wireless-essid namegoeshere
[11:55] <lebomb> on a new line?
[11:55] <Syuusuke> give me a sec i'll find you a site
[11:55] <_grigory> told some people at school that im planning on switching to linux(kubuntu), they called me a geek at laughed
[11:55] <_grigory> idiots
[11:55] <lebomb> iface eth1 inet dhcp wireless-essid fuckoff
[11:56] <lebomb> they're right, grigor 8)
[11:56] <lebomb> it's ok to be a geek though
[11:56] <Syuusuke> bah, the ubuntu forums is slow for some reason
[11:56] <Syuusuke> but yeah add that line you just typed there
[11:56] <lebomb> cool
[11:57] <Syuusuke> did you need to enter a wep key?
[11:57] <lebomb> nah I don't care about local encryption
[11:57] <Syuusuke> do*
[11:57] <Syuusuke> ah ok
[11:57] <lebomb> I don't see any advantages in using it
[11:57] <_grigory> :) haha... cant call myself a geek, just doesnt work... for me geek is not someone who does rugby at school, mountain biking whole summer long... but i do take all the math courses thoug, geo, calculus, data management.. fun
[11:58] <Syuusuke> if you have nothing to hide then sure ;)
[11:58] <lebomb> grigor
[11:58] <_grigory> physics! i love physics...
[11:58] <lebomb> if you are a linux user and physics person,m ath guy, you are definately a geek
[11:58] <lebomb> it's ok though
[11:58] <_grigory> rugby is fun too though
[11:58] <_grigory> well
[11:58] <_grigory> ...
[11:58] <lebomb> i am a geek, i competition sports, workout, etc
[11:58] <lebomb> and make a lot of money
[11:58] <_grigory> i actually used to spend days in front of the computer
[11:58] <_grigory> maybe a year ago
[11:59] <_grigory> then i figured its a waste of time
[11:59] <_grigory> unless u do something productive
[11:59] <lebomb> I can do amazing things with computers
[11:59] <_grigory> so i started to learn ASP, VB, then eventually .NET
[11:59] <Red_Herring> and mountain biking IS productive?
[11:59] <_grigory> YES
[11:59] <lebomb> lol
[12:00] <Red_Herring> just as productive as rugby
[12:00] <Red_Herring> and baseball
[12:00] <_grigory> a bit more then that
[12:00] <am> hah did i just here amazing go along with ASP and VB ?
[12:00] <Red_Herring> one, you use your head, one, you use your mind
[12:00] <lebomb> it is productive because it satisfies ones self
[12:00] <lebomb> doesn't matter what it is
[12:00] <lebomb> might be watching paint dry
[12:00] <_grigory> am: whats wrong with ASP and VB? :)
[12:01] <Syuusuke> so are you saying that watching porn is productive since it satisfies ones self?
[12:01] <Syuusuke> lol
[12:01] <lebomb> yeup
[12:01] <lebomb> that's probably the most productive thing you could do with yourself
[12:01] <Syuusuke> lol
[12:01] <lebomb> honestly
[12:01] <Red_Herring> well... thats at one end of the spectrum
[12:01] <_grigory> REd: you should try mountain biking! there's lots of types of it though - dirt jumping, urban, downhill racing, biker-cross, freeride...
[12:01] <Red_Herring> oh yeah, in my town!
[12:02] <Red_Herring> middle of suburbia
[12:02] <Red_Herring> in ILLINOIS
[12:02] <am> _grigory: ok where would you like me to start...the spaghetti code it produces, the lack of optimizations,  the poor coding practises it encourages, the memory leaks  ?
[12:02] <lebomb> the bills it pays
[12:02] <Red_Herring> there is no MOUNTAIN, or HILL for that matter for at least 300 miles
[12:02] <lebomb> for hungry programmers..
[12:02] <am> _grigory: that doesn't apply to C#
[12:02] <am> just ASP and VB