[12:33] <mpt> Greetings Launchpadders!
[12:33] <ajmitch> afternoon mpt 
[01:06] <ddaa> ALL YOUR BASE-0 ARE BELONG TO MEEEEEEEE!
[01:06] <ddaa> in one day of hacking
[01:06] <ddaa> against incredible odds
[01:07] <ddaa> ddaa codes and starts the bulk baz->bzr conversion system that is going to allow us (maybe) to meet the schedule!!!
[01:10] <spiv> ddaa: Cool.  Feel like doing an import of Twisted while you're at it? ;)
[01:10] <lifeless> ddaa: twisted folk think they have fixed their svn bug
[01:11] <ddaa> pft!
[01:11] <ddaa> arh... to much hair!
[01:11] <spiv> Heh.
[01:12] <ddaa> okay men... I've been working for 10h hours at the chronometer... so I'm not going to do anything more... just some final cleanups and then I'm done for today
[01:12] <ddaa> but thanks for telling me
[01:29] <ddaa> lifeless: it would be nice if you could start carving some time in your schedule to work on bzr support in importd
[02:11] <mpt> wakey wakey launchpad.net
[02:13] <mpt> Awesome, now we have a translation team registering themselves as a ... product
[02:15] <ajmitch> sounds logical
[02:34] <lifeless> mpt: you are kidding right ?
[02:34] <mpt> nuts, my column fixing didn't land in time for the rollout
[02:58] <mpt> lifeless, why would I be kidding?
[02:58] <mpt> Launchpad's margins will be a little wonky in Konqueror, Opera, and Safari for the next week
[02:58] <mpt> I don't think that's worth a cherrypick, is it?
[03:02] <Burgundavia> mpt, regarding the trival editing of bug urls, malone is very bad at this
[03:02] <mpt> Burgundavia, in what way?
[03:03] <Burgundavia> mpt, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22052 <-- say I want to go to 22053, it is simple
[03:03] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 22052: "[live cd]  User 'ubuntu' cannot log in" Product: Ubuntu, Component: UNKNOWN, Severity: critical, Assigned to: tfheen@ubuntu.com, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: FIXED
[03:04] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/28632 <---  now go to 28631
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28632: "Gnucash fails to load after guile upgrade" Fix req. for: gnucash (Ubuntu), Severity: Critical, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Confirmed
[03:04] <mpt> just change the last 2 to a 1
[03:05] <elmo> mpt: try that :P
[03:05] <mpt> I just did
[03:05] <mpt> "This bug has not yet been reported in gnucash (Ubuntu)" looks like an error when it shouldn't, but otherwise it works fine
[03:05] <elmo> and you don't think what it does is unuseful?
[03:06] <Burgundavia> mpt, but it doesn't *look* like you can do that
[03:06] <Burgundavia> so only the informed and the really stupid will discover that
[03:06] <Burgundavia> everybody else will assume you can't
[03:07] <mpt> elmo, everything on the resulting page -- subscribing, commenting, marking as duplicate, etc -- is just as easy as it would be if I was in the libpam-mount URL space
[03:07] <Ubuntuser_Ba> elmo, pvt??
[03:07] <mpt> Burgundavia, that's a point
[03:07] <elmo> it'd be really nice if https://launchpad.net/28631 or similar worked
[03:07] <elmo> Ubuntuser_Ba: eh?
[03:07] <Ubuntuser_Ba> about my mask
[03:07] <mpt> elmo, https://launchpad.net/bugs/28631 does indeed work
[03:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28631: "libpam-mount: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: libpam-mount (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed
[03:08] <mpt> (ta-da!)
[03:08] <mpt> but, hmmm
[03:08] <Burgundavia> mpt, but /+bug/ and /bug/ do not (trivial fix)
[03:10] <mpt> I'd like to see a 404 report before I believe that anyone tries that
[03:10] <mpt> I'm against inventing lots of URLs for the same thing, because it makes links less likely to look visited when they should
[03:11] <mpt> but, but, but
[03:11] <mpt> maybe we could just stay at https://launchpad.net/bugs/nnn instead of redirecting to the context, if there's only one context
[03:11] <mpt> that would make the editability look more obvious, Burgundavia 
[03:12] <Burgundavia> mpt, +bug and /bug are not going to be seen as anything but the bug and can be arrived at by editing the longer url, especially +bug
[03:12] <mpt> maybe even https://launchpad.net/bugs/nnn?distros/ubuntu etc
[03:13] <Burgundavia> mpt, there is no reason a user should ever run into a 404 when the intent can be reasonable guessed from the url they typed
[03:14] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/showmebug123damnyoustupidbugtracker
[03:15] <Burgundavia> I assume that was meant to be humourous?
[03:15] <mpt> a counterexample
[03:15] <Burgundavia> yes, but no one is going to type that in
[03:15] <mpt> i.e., having better things to do to improve Launchpad is a reason
[03:16] <Burgundavia> at least fix that +bug and bug thing
[03:17] <Burgundavia> mpt, from #gnome-hackers --> trs81 I'm feeling like pain, so I'll file it via launchpad
[03:18] <spiv> Personally, I'd like it if the search box on the front page of launchpad accepted bug numbers.  Then I don't need to care about bug URLs...
[03:18] <mpt> Burgundavia, I know Launchpad sucks terribly
[03:19] <Burgundavia> spiv, it should accept anything
[03:19] <spiv> Burgundavia: Sure
[03:19] <spiv> Burgundavia: But until we have time to reimplement google, this would be a good intermediate step ;)
[03:19] <Burgundavia> spiv, and we need one search box that works everywhere, in the same way
[03:20] <mpt> when we have a Malone-wide search, and a Registry-wide search, and a bounties-wide search, and a Rosetta-wide search, we can combine them into a Launchpad-wide search
[03:20] <mpt> Currently we don't have any of those things
[03:25] <Burgundavia> mpt, right
[03:39] <elmo> stub: asuka's cricket is making me deeply unhappy
[09:14] <sivang> morning launchpad lovers !
[10:03] <salgado> lifeless: are we going to have a reviewers meeting today?
[10:08] <lifeless> sorry
[10:08] <lifeless> yes
[10:08] <lifeless> ELYNNE
[10:08] <lifeless> let me check the agenda
[10:10] <lifeless> ok
[10:10] <lifeless> reviwers meeting
[10:10] <lifeless> roll call ?
[10:10] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[10:10] <lifeless> SteveA: ping
[10:10] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: ping
[10:10] <lifeless> BjornT: ping
[10:12] <salgado> looks like everybody forgot
[10:13] <lifeless> heh
[10:13] <lifeless> well
[10:13] <lifeless> next meetingm I'd like to move it to Monday, and one hour later
[10:13] <lifeless> on an ongoing basis
[10:13] <lifeless> is that ok for you ?
[10:14] <salgado> 1h later would be worst than is is now. 2h later, on the other hand, would be perfect
[10:15] <lifeless> hmm
[10:16] <lifeless> thats 2200, but to get wed free - ok.
[10:16] <lifeless> should make it easier for jamesh too
[10:20] <lifeless> so
[10:20] <lifeless> review queue status
[10:20] <lifeless> I have a couple of backlogged reviews I'll do tomorrow
[10:20] <lifeless> I like spivs suggestion:
[10:20] <lifeless>     *
[10:20] <lifeless>       Just a brief suggestion: reviewers should look over Daf's list of common HTML errors in our templates (see his mail titled "HTML validity"), and try to watch out for them when reviewing ZPT code. -- AndrewBennetts.
[10:21] <lifeless> I wonder if we can write a linter for zpt to catch them ?
[10:22] <lucas> hi
[10:22] <lucas> I changed my username on launchpad from 'nussbaum' to 'lucas'
[10:22] <lucas> I previously had the nussbaum@ubuntu.com email address
[10:23] <salgado> IIRC, somebody suggested attaching the linter to the test suit, first giving warnings and on a later stage failing the tests of pages that have invalid html
[10:23] <BjornT> lifeless: pong (sorry, fell asleep...)
[10:23] <lifeless> BjornT: np
[10:23] <lucas> do I need to do something special to get lucas@ubuntu.com working instead ?
[10:23] <lifeless> BjornT: does a shift to monday, and a 2 hour later time work for you ?
[10:24] <BjornT> lifeless: yes, that works for me
[10:24] <lifeless> salgado: yah. that sounds good to me. Lets get stevea/kiko to assign someone to that
[10:24] <lifeless> that way we dont need to care about it in reviews
[10:24] <lifeless> (after the linter is in place)
[10:26] <lifeless> so, any calls for help, or new business ?
[10:27] <salgado> not from me
[10:27] <BjornT> lifeless: well, i'd like to get my branches reviewed soon. they are assigned to steve and kiko, but neither seem to have time to review them.
[10:28] <lifeless> BjornT: please reallocate them then, or I can do so this evening
[10:28] <lifeless> stevea is in the london meeting still AFAIK
[10:29] <BjornT> lifeless: ok, i'll reallocate them
[10:29] <SteveA> lifeless: can we have a phone call soon?
[10:33] <lifeless> SteveA: sure, on my mobile now, or the house phone when lynne is finished
[10:35] <lifeless> oh, btw guys, pqm is fully updated now
[10:35] <lifeless> and pqm will push faster than it has been
[10:35] <SteveA> cool, that's good to hear
[10:45] <jordi> carlos: I'd swear I did those files
[10:46] <carlos> jordi, which files?
[10:49] <TWD> Just a question concerning Launchpad, I've just been filling some bugs out about the latest Dapper live CD, and I've just realised that I've put them in upstream, is there a way to move them over to ubuntu Dapper?
[10:49] <TWD>  I've tried adding a request for fix in distribution, but only ubuntu comes up, there doesn't seem to be a way to specify Dapper.
[10:49] <TWD> All help much appreciated
[10:54] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  use re.escape to prevent process-email from crashing. (r3006)
[10:57] <seb128> hi
[10:58] <seb128> so, how do I search for bugs with "something" contained to a comment?
[11:00] <TWD> thanks dilys
[11:03] <TWD> eh, dilys, how do you merge a bug? I'm sorry, this is my first real dive into launchpad
[11:10] <mpt> TWD, first ask for a fix in the distribution, then use "Target fix to releases"
[11:10] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Allow sftp: branch URLs (Bug 5573) (r3007: Stuart Bishop)
[11:11] <TWD> OK, thanks
[11:11] <mpt> seb128, I don't think that's possible
[11:12] <seb128> :((
[11:15] <mpt> lifeless, I already reported a bug on spiv's suggestion of hooking up an XHTML validator to the pagetest output, and assigned it to jamesh because it seemed like a jamesh sort of exercise
[11:15] <mpt> TWD, what do you mean by "merge a bug"?
[11:16] <TWD> I mean that I filed some bugs for upsteam, when I meant to file them for ubuntu dapper
[11:16] <mpt> ah, so just do what I said above
[11:16] <mpt> you can move a request from one product to another, and from one package to another, but not yet from a product to a package
[11:17] <seb128> bah, luckily most of dups have the backtrace to the summary which works for a query ... good enough for that one :)
[11:19] <mpt> seb128, you can use "Edit Description" to put stuff you'll need to search for later in the Description :-)
[11:19] <seb128> good idea
[11:19] <seb128> I could copy all the comments when they come to the description :l)
[11:19] <seb128> :)
[11:19] <mpt> well, yes
[11:20] <mpt> or at least the useful ones
[11:20] <jamesh> mpt: https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi <- you can use this to get OOPS reports via the web now
[11:20] <jamesh> mpt: no nice formatting yet though
[11:22] <mpt> jamesh, sexcellent
[11:22] <mpt> looks like the most urgent fix is inserting <br>s :-)
[11:22] <jamesh> we've got SQL statement logs in the latest reports
[11:23] <jamesh> mpt: at the moment it is serving the raw oops reports as plain text
[11:23] <mpt> yes, but as text/html rather than text/plain
[11:24] <jamesh> really?
[11:25] <jamesh> it doesn't seem to be doing that for me
[11:25] <mpt> well, it's showing up as a jumble in Safari
[11:26] <mpt> yeah, I think so
[11:26] <mpt> shows fine in Firefox
[11:26] <jamesh> the code definitely serves as text/plain (for now)
[11:27] <Kinnison> g'morning
[11:27] <mpt> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/08/13/safari-content-sniffing
[11:27] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Revert column widths, as the new widths broke bizarrely in Konqueror + Safari + Opera (bug 28694) (r3008: Matthew Paul Thomas)
[11:28] <mpt> whaaaat
[11:28] <mpt> I sent that merge request over 24 hours ago
[11:28] <Kinnison> pqm was catching up iirc
[11:29] <mpt> No wonder it didn't land in time for the rollout :-)
[11:30] <jamesh> well, formatting as HTML should solve that problem
[11:37] <mvo> can someone give me a hint what the messagebox in malone bug #3739 means? "This bug has not yet been reported in update-manager, do you want to report it"? I reassigned that bug from update-manager to update-nottifer (well, changed the source-pkg name)
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3739: "When people reload package informations, the screen "new update available" is displayed." Fix req. for: update-notifier (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Michael Vogt, Status: Confirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/3739
[11:39] <lifeless> mpt: cool
[11:45] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Added plural form information for Papiamento (r3009: Carlos Perell Marn)
[11:46] <jamesh> mvo: that message doesn't appear when you view the bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/3739 or http://launchpad.net/bugs/3739
[11:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3739: "When people reload package informations, the screen "new update available" is displayed." Fix req. for: update-notifier (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Michael Vogt, Status: Confirmed
[11:46] <jamesh> mvo: it means that the bug has no tasks against the update-notifier source package
[11:46] <jamesh> s/update-notifier/update-manager/
[11:47] <jamesh> the message looks more scary than it should
[11:50] <mvo> aha, thanks
[11:58] <jamesh> mpt: oops.cgi should have some simple HTML formatting now
[12:00] <SteveA> jamesh: ooh, oops.cgi
[12:00] <SteveA> jamesh: can we have a phone call shortly?
[12:02] <jamesh> SteveA: okay.  I got a headset yesterday, so we could try voip
[12:02] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Increase session timeout to 60 days (r3010)
[12:04] <matsubara> good morning!
[12:05] <SteveA> jamesh: that would be good for next week when i'm back in vilnius.  i'll call you on the phone now.
[12:05] <SteveA> jamesh: is now okay?
[12:06] <jamesh> SteveA: okay
[12:31] <cprov> morning guys
[12:39] <salgado> spiv, around?
[12:39] <kiko-zzz> hey there
[12:55] <daf> mpt_: around?
[12:57] <salgado> cprov, MirrorManagement question:  In the 'Code Changes' section, there's this line "in a new MirrorProbeRecord row, store complete procedure log within a librarian, set date-created and status properly." that mentions a 'status' column in the MirrorProbeRecord table, but in the schema changes there isn't such a thing. Should this be a column like MirrorDistro{ArchRelease,ReleaseSource}.status?
[12:59] <jordi> carlos: what you goy asked for last night
[12:59] <carlos> jordi, did you handled the files from the queue?
[12:59] <carlos> jordi, they were there...
[01:00] <jordi> I think I did
[01:00] <jordi> Although I got some oopses
[01:00] <carlos> jordi, please, notify that...
[01:00] <cprov> salgado: yes, it set the status per MirrorDistro[ArchRelease, ReleaseSource] , for CDIMAGES and RELEASE mirrors the status is the own last prober output.
[01:01] <jordi> carlos: I will, in the evening
[01:02] <carlos> jordi, thanks
[01:04] <salgado> cprov, so, the answer is yes, the MirrorProbeRecord lacks a status column?
[01:05] <cprov> salgado: no, the status is in MirrorDistro[ArchRelease, ReleaseSource] 
[01:05] <kiko> well
[01:05] <kiko> you could store the status in the probe record too, as historical data
[01:05] <kiko> but that's extra
[01:07] <cprov> kiko: the probe record has the log message and might include several different status since it probes per Mirror including several MirrorDistro[ArchRelease, ReleaseSource] , so proberecord has no clear status
[01:08] <seb128> " Timeout error"
[01:08] <kiko> ah, I see.
[01:08] <seb128> rrraahhhh, I hate launchpad
[01:08] <seb128> and I've no "previous" button to get my comment back
[01:08] <cprov> kiko: kind of complex, don't know if it is the best we can do 
[01:09] <kiko> it should suffice for now
[01:09] <kiko> Kinnison?
[01:21] <mpt__> daf, barely
[01:23] <daf> mpt__: re launchpad.css: "color: Orange" -- Orange is not a CSS colour, ok if I change it to #ff6600?
[01:26] <kiko> daf, go ahead.
[01:26] <kiko> daf, is that one of the bugs reported yesterday?
[01:27] <daf> er, no
[01:27] <daf> just something the W3C CSS validator pointed out
[01:27] <mpt__> daf, that's fine
[01:27] <daf> there was one other thing: there's a "display: inline-block" in there
[01:28] <daf> inline-block is not a valid value
[01:29] <mpt__> It's CSS3
[01:29] <daf> oh
[01:29] <daf> I thought CSS3 wasn't a standard yet
[01:30] <mpt__> no, but it does what we want, and is harmless in browsers that ignore it
[01:30] <daf> ok
[01:31] <daf> :)
[01:31] <daf> becuase they haven't had the benefit of your wisdom?
[01:32] <mpt__> or because one of the WG had a bad experience with a tangerine
[01:32] <daf> or a satsuma
[01:43] <ddaa> thanks for unbreaking bzrsyncd
[01:43] <ddaa> I did not even notice it was broken
[01:43] <daf> ?
[01:43] <ddaa> oops
[01:43] <ddaa> I meant: "stub: thanks for..."
[01:44] <kiko> ddaa, does your importd2bzr branch still fail merging?>
[01:44] <ddaa> Sorry, I traded a temporary loss of SAN points for an earlier start of the bulk baz2bzr conversion on 10 processors...
[01:44] <ddaa> So I fear what I'm going to say today is not going to make much sense.
[01:44] <LarstiQ> Cthulu?
[01:45] <kiko> stub, any change of cherry-picking the process-mail fix?
[01:45] <ddaa> LarstiQ: sort of, here it's "RCS imports", but the rules are essentially the same.
[01:45] <kiko> oh, has it been already
[01:45] <ddaa> kiko: did not have a chance to try since I sent my mail.
[01:45] <LarstiQ> ddaa: I can imagine a spiraling descent in that game, indeed.
[01:46] <kiko> ddaa, okay, if you can retry it would be nice.
[01:46] <ddaa> kiko: do you really mean it? I think it's just not worth spending time on that, it's single use code.
[01:46] <ddaa> Though, I can send another merge request...
[01:47] <kiko> ddaa, I'd try with an updated tree, it won't hurt.
[01:47] <kiko> ddaa, are you aware of OSError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/var/tmp/lperr/2006-01-14'
[01:47] <kiko>  -- ?
[01:47] <ddaa> kiko: that's what I thanked stub about
[01:47] <kiko> ah, ok.
[01:48] <ddaa> maybe in the next days I'll be able to keep tabs on that stuff, but maybe not
[01:48] <kiko> don't worry about it, I'll nag if necessary
[01:48] <ddaa> cool, one less thing to worry about. Love that.
[01:48] <kiko> hey, cool output from today's update-branches!
[01:48] <ddaa> oh, really?
[01:49] <kiko> yeah, a lot saner
[01:49] <kiko> thanks jblack!
[01:49] <ddaa> it looks I do not receive that mail...
[01:49] <ddaa> weird
[01:49] <kiko> that's paradise
[01:50] <kiko> stub, is update-bugwatches running?
[01:51] <ddaa> kiko: you from the "ignorance is bliss" school?
[01:51] <kiko> I believe a certain amount of controlled ignorance is bliss.
[01:51] <kiko> I don't watch the 8pm news for instance.
[01:51] <ddaa> I call that spam filtering.
[01:52] <kiko> it's not really.
[01:52] <ddaa> War in africa. Tension in middle east. Flood in asia. Corruption here.
[01:52] <ddaa> Scandal in the USA
[01:52] <ddaa> it's always the same stuff
[01:52] <ddaa> just change the names and the dates
[01:52] <LarstiQ> ddaa: don't forget the kittens stuck in trees.
[01:52] <kiko> well, some of it is meaningful
[01:53] <ddaa> kiko: you get to know the meaningful stuff regardless.
[01:53] <kiko> sometimes
[01:53] <kiko> I'm often surprised by news that I should have known of.
[01:54] <ddaa> I'm sometimes surprised by news everybody want me to know of
[01:54] <ddaa> "cars burning in france!"
[01:54] <ddaa> hu, yeah? That happens all the time? What's the matter?
[01:54] <ddaa> "MORE cars burning than usual"
[01:55] <ddaa> And the fact that these ass-holes actually burnt like a couple of schools and police station almost went unnoticed.
[01:55] <kiko> I didn't know that.
[01:56] <ddaa> The interesting bit was: the "Renseignement Gneraux" (the internal french intelligence agency, belonging to the police), guys who _really_ know what they talk about
[01:57] <ddaa> Published a statement that said, in substance, "our minister of internal affairs is full of shit, these events were NOT organized, islamic groups have NOTHING to do with that. It was SPONTANEOUS and primarily caused by EXCLUSION. You idiot twit minister!"
[01:58] <ddaa> In slightly softer words, of course.
[01:59] <ddaa> I mean, just remove the the "You idiot twit minister" and that's about what the statement was.
[01:59] <kiko> ddaa, let me know if your merge fails again.
[02:06] <kiko> stub, I'm seeing something which clearly indicates to me that the database is not being refreshed between two standalone tests.
[02:06] <seb128> is malone broken?
[02:07] <kiko> the test which is causing problems is likely to be one that I added that does a transaction.commit() and then flush_database_updates() and then logout()
[02:07] <seb128> trying to edit a bug result in a delay followed by a launchpad internal error
[02:07] <kiko> seb128, what's the oops?
[02:07] <seb128> no oups
[02:07] <seb128> s/oups/oops
[02:08] <kiko> odd.
[02:08] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-utils/+bug/16591/+editstatus
[02:08] <seb128> can you load that pagE?
[02:08] <Ubugtu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugtracker failed: The read operation timed out
[02:08] <seb128> see :p
[02:08] <kiko> seb128, yes
[02:09] <kiko> it may be that one of the servers is horked
[02:09] <seb128> hum
[02:09] <kiko> Znarl, elmo, stub: can one of you check if both servers are okay?
[02:09] <Znarl> kiko : Yes, already checking.
[02:10] <kiko> thanks.
[02:10] <LarstiQ> seb128: I could get through in a second attempt after a server error
[02:10] <seb128> I've retried several time on 3 pages already
[02:10] <seb128> doesn't work from here
[02:11] <kiko> you're probably stuck on the wrong server?
[02:13] <Znarl> Fixed now.
[02:14] <kiko> Znarl, what was the problem?
[02:14] <kiko> I'm concerned if this is a recurring problem..
[02:14] <Znarl> kiko : Python processes stoped responding.
[02:15] <seb128> yeah, works fine now
[02:15] <seb128> Znarl: thank you
[02:15] <kiko> Znarl, can you send launchpad@lists.canonical.com a message with some context and debugging information?
[02:15] <seb128> kiko: thank you too :)
[02:20] <Alinux> hi, I would like to ask If there is a packages group to translate to get the main ubuntu gnome interface translated into own language?
[02:21] <Alinux> I can't translate some menus entries...I can't understand which .po I must translate.
[02:21] <seb128> Alinux: which one by example?
[02:22] <Alinux> gnome-panel is translated
[02:23] <Alinux> but System-->(Preferencies) or (Administration) are not..
[02:23] <Alinux> and sub menus also.
[02:23] <seb128> those come from gnome-menus probably
[02:23] <Alinux> Programmes(translated) --> submenus NOT :(
[02:26] <Alinux> seb128, only this package?
[02:27] <seb128> for what you describe yep
[02:27] <seb128> if you have other example list them
[02:28] <Alinux>  gnome-menus in Ubuntu Dapper
[02:28] <Alinux> Translation templates
[02:28] <Alinux> No translatable templates available
[02:28] <Alinux> in lauchpad.
[02:30] <Alinux> seb128, can't find a package.
[02:30] <WaterSevenUb> alinux, translation templates for dapper will only be ready in february
[02:31] <Alinux> WaterSevenUb, I#m using breezy
[02:31] <Alinux> I need this damned menu translations file...
[02:31] <Alinux> I can't find anything.
[02:33] <WaterSevenUb> alinux, consider #ubuntu-translators... also, read this http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/rosetta-users/2006-January/001188.html
[02:33] <Alinux> WaterSevenUb, thank you!
[02:34] <seb128> Alinux: what locale do you use, what menu item is an issue for you?
[02:34] <Alinux> Georgian  (ka)
[02:34] <Alinux> not translated menus are in English.
[02:35] <Alinux> en_GB
[02:40] <kiko> daf, do you think you could fix this?
[02:40] <kiko> There were 1 database import violations.
[02:40] <kiko> You should not import canonical.launchpad.database into:
[02:40] <kiko>     canonical.rosetta
[02:49] <Alinux> where I can find main _Colse _Ok buttons translation?
[02:50] <carlos> Alinux, gtk+
[02:50] <Alinux> ok I'll search it in lauchpad.
[02:51] <Alinux> gtk+ - is it exact name of a package?
[02:51] <Alinux> I'll translate it right now.
[02:56] <Alinux> carlos, https://launchpad.net/products/gtk is it a right one to start translating?
[02:57] <carlos> Alinux, not exactly...
[02:58] <Alinux> https://launchpad.net/products/gtk/+translations this one?
[02:58] <Alinux> but it is fort hoary... it's a problem?
[02:58] <Alinux> is it a problem?
[02:58] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/gtk+2.0/+pots/gtk20
[03:01] <Alinux> carlos, thank you!
[03:02] <carlos> you are welcome
[03:10] <Alinux> do yuo know what packege provides "coreutils.mo" package... ? I think it's very important file.
[03:11] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: rs=mark Fix for bug 6430: distribution registrant is not allowed to add a milestone. So distributions couldn't be edited by anybody but admins before; I think this is overzealous, because Soyuz is really concerned with distribution releases. launchpad.Edit on the distribution is a reasonable permission for owners: it allows setting a bug contact, translation team, milestones etc. (r3011: kiko)
[03:15] <carlos> Alinux, it's a text console application
[03:15] <carlos> Alinux, and the package is coreutils too
[03:16] <Alinux> great.
[03:16] <bradb> stub: Can we turn off Launchpad timeouts in dev mode? They make debugging impossible.
[03:17] <Alinux> carlos, but it's ony for Hoay right?
[03:17] <carlos> Alinux, all distributions should have it
[03:18] <stub> bradb: sure
[03:18] <Alinux> carlos, what's the main funciton of this package?
[03:20] <carlos> Alinux, the commands rm, dir, true, sleep, etc...
[03:20] <Alinux> ah...
[03:20] <Alinux> but it will be silly idea to translate them :)
[03:22] <bradb> stub: Setting db_statement_timeout and soft_request_timeout to 0 causes a perma-timeout. What's the right way to change this?
[03:24] <bradb> I think it was really db_statement_timeout == 0 that causes that, because it tried it before the soft timeout was implemented.
[03:24] <bradb> s/it tried/I tried/
[03:48] <stub> bradb: Comment out the entries I think
[03:51] <bradb> stub: Seems to work, thanks.
[03:53] <bradb> stub: So it's safe to comment those entries out in configs/default/launchpad.conf? I can land that with my next malone-smallfixes changes.
[03:53] <stub> bradb: Sure. If anyone complains, we can sort it out then.
[03:53] <bradb> Sounds good, thanks
[03:54] <stub> Leave the testing section alone though, unless you want to fix any breakages ;-)
[03:57] <looksaus> is the date and place of a successor conference to Mataro, Montreal,... already known?
[04:31] <kiko-fud> anyone ever seen anything like bug 28900?
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28900: "Database modificaation in standalone test affects another test when run by PQM" Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/28900
[04:45] <SteveA> kiko-fud: could be the sqlobject state leakage that gustavo filed a bug about
[05:05] <kiko-fud> SteveA, it's very strange.
[05:27] <Mez> hmm
[05:27] <Mez> will launchpad pick up an Uploaders: field?
[05:27] <kiko> Mez, what do you mean by "pick up"?
[05:28] <Mez> kiko: as in I'd like for launchpad to list the group katapult-dev as the owners/maintainers of the katapult package
[05:29] <kiko> Mez, well, what happens is that currently, maintainer is a bit of a quagmire (in part because the packages themselves don't make it clear)
[05:29] <kiko> I would very much like to find a solution to that problem!
[05:29] <Mez> fair enough
[05:29] <kiko> I'm just not sure that Uploaders is the way to go
[05:29] <kiko> I'd need confirmation from kamion/mdz that that's the policy
[05:30] <kiko> and then it's some bit-swapping from my POV to get it done
[05:37] <kiko> daf
[05:37] <kiko> ?
[06:47] <carlos> so
[06:47] <carlos> salgado, Hi, around?
[06:47] <kiko> so
[06:47] <bradb> kiko: Can you approve my post to launchpad-users@? It has a UI prototype attached.
[06:47] <carlos> If I have
[06:47] <salgado> carlos, yes
[06:48] <carlos> a team that is 'rosetta-admins'
[06:48] <carlos> and I do rosetta_admins.inTeam(rosetta_admins)
[06:48] <carlos> I get False
[06:48] <kiko> bradb, I don't have the password. I suck.
[06:48] <carlos> shouldn't I get True there?
[06:48] <salgado> carlos, right
[06:48] <bradb> kiko: Who can approve it?
[06:48] <kiko> SteveA can, or I can if you remind me of the password
[06:48] <salgado> carlos, no, because by definition, only a person is a member of itself, not a team
[06:49] <carlos> salgado, ok, that's what confused me
[06:49] <carlos> so I need to check that and also if the person is the own team
[06:49] <bradb> SteveA: Can you approve my post to launchpad-users@?
[06:49] <carlos> to know if that person/team has permissions
[06:49] <carlos> to do something that only one concrete team is allowed to do
[06:50] <salgado> carlos, the owner will always have the rights to administer the team, even if he's not listed as a member of that team anymore
[06:50] <carlos> salgado, yeah, but that's not what I need
[06:50] <carlos> salgado, I have IPOFile.canEditTranslations
[06:51] <salgado> hmmm, then I didn't understand your question
[06:51] <carlos> that method tells me if someone has rights or not to edit translations
[06:51] <carlos> I allow launchpad's admins and Rosetta experts to do that always
[06:51] <salgado> shouldn't that be a security adapter registered for IPOFile with permission launchpad.Edit?
[06:52] <lucas> hi, after a username change (nussbaum -> lucas), my lucas@ubuntu.com address doesn't work. are the aliases generated via cron or something ? should I ping somebody ?
[06:53] <carlos> salgado, hmmm I need to call it from other parts of the code base, it's not a matter of web page access, I'm not sure if that's doable atm
[06:53] <lucas> (nussbaum@ubuntu.com did work, I expected lucas@u.c to work after the change)
[06:53] <carlos> lucas, ask elmo
[06:53] <carlos> salgado, anyway, I have the same problem
[06:53] <Znarl> lucas : Can you email rt@admin.canonical.com with this request please?
[06:54] <carlos> Znarl, hi, sorry, I didn't remember your nick... I don't know why I thought it was Karl....
[06:54] <Znarl> carlos : My name is Karl. 
[06:55] <kiko> he thought your nick was Karl
[06:55] <carlos> That was the problem ;-)
[06:56] <salgado> carlos, you need something like if person.inTeam(lp_admins) or user.inTeam(rosetta_experts): return True ?
[06:56] <salgado> s/user/person
[06:56] <carlos> salgado, I have that already
[06:56] <carlos> salgado, but sometimes, person will be the team rosetta_experts
[06:57] <salgado> that's weird
[06:58] <salgado> why do you want to check if a team can edit a translation, if the team itself can't take any actions?
[07:00] <kiko> bradb, that's pretty cool.
[07:00] <kiko> however, it unpornetizes
[07:00] <bradb> sure does ;)
[07:01] <bradb> It moves the data to where people can see it.
[07:01] <kiko> bradb, it's stevea material, but I think he's been slammed too many times this week..
[07:01] <bradb> kiko: this *week*!
[07:02] <SteveA> bradb: is it moving something from a portlet to the main display?
[07:02] <kiko> it takes some time to wear off :)
[07:02] <bradb> SteveA: Yes.
[07:02] <kiko> SteveA, well, see the patch
[07:02] <kiko> err, the screenshot
[07:02] <bradb> SteveA: Can you approve the post to launchpad-users@?
[07:02] <kiko> it doesn't /just/ do that
[07:03] <SteveA> screenshot?
[07:03] <bradb> There are some obvious tweaks missing, e.g., I forgot to add the link to edit the description.
[07:03] <bradb> SteveA: Yeah
[07:03] <SteveA> where?
[07:03] <bradb> SteveA: My post to launchpad-users@ :)
[07:03] <SteveA> attachments, eh?
[07:03] <bradb> Message body too big, yeah.
[07:04] <kiko> why did you use a tiff, bradb?
[07:04] <kiko> 500kb is too big for a screenshot
[07:04] <bradb> kiko: Apple.
[07:04] <carlos> salgado, because we set the importer of a file to the rosetta-admins team for all the translation imported from a distribution
[07:04] <kiko> if it's larger than 50kb put it on the web and add a link.
[07:04] <SteveA> 0.5 meg?
[07:04] <SteveA> use imagemagik or something
[07:04] <SteveA> to change it to a png
[07:05] <kiko> don't post 500mb to a users mailing list
[07:05] <kiko> err 500kb
[07:05] <kiko> :)
[07:05] <bradb> sorry
[07:06] <kiko> bradb, don't let that detract from the nice solution you produced, though
[07:06] <bradb> thanks. /me waits for gimp to open.
[07:23] <bradb> Hm, flickr takes a long while to upload an image.
[07:29] <bradb> Anyway, lunching right now, but if flickr ever completes this upload, I'll reply with a link to the png.
[07:29] <bradb> SteveA: Meanwhile, here's a wiki hack: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BugPagePrototype
[07:34] <carlos> btw
[07:34] <carlos> salgado, how is that this test works?
[07:34] <carlos>     >>> admins = getUtility(ILaunchpadCelebrities).admin
[07:34] <carlos>     >>> pofile.canEditTranslations(admins)
[07:34] <carlos>     True
[07:35] <carlos> salgado, pofile.canEditTranslations checks the team membership as I just told you
[07:37] <salgado> carlos, I'd need to see the code of canEditTranslations()
[07:38] <carlos> salgado, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filepYZoU2.html
[07:39] <DeViLuS> hello everyone
[07:39] <kiko> hi there.
[07:39] <DeViLuS> I'm marouane from morocco nice to meet u 
[07:40] <salgado> carlos, the permission for that pofile is not OPEN, is it?
[07:40] <carlos> no
[07:40] <carlos> the test changes it
[07:40] <carlos> let me show you the whole check
[07:40] <carlos> s/check/test/
[07:40] <sivang> ddaa: remmebr what we talked about sets of bugs etc?
[07:40] <sivang> ddaa: dholbach is filing a bug on that
[07:40] <sivang> just ot inform :)
[07:41] <salgado> carlos, >>> c.admin.inTeam(c.rosetta_expert)
[07:41] <salgado>  True
[07:41] <carlos> salgado, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filenlgb7d.html
[07:41] <salgado> the admin team is a member (or the owner) of the rosetta_experts team
[07:42] <carlos> salgado, really?
[07:42] <DeViLuS> yo ppl what is the subjet ?
[07:42] <salgado> carlos, yep
[07:43] <carlos> salgado, we look at the TeamParticipation table, right?
[07:43] <salgado> carlos, the owner may not have a participation entry
[07:43] <carlos> oh, right!
[07:43] <carlos> I forgot that
[07:43] <salgado> carlos, and in this case, the admins team is the owner of the rosetta-admins team
[07:44] <carlos> ok, I understand it now
[08:07] <carlos> see you later
[08:09] <mdke_> argh. When I change the status of a bug and include "status description" or something, that does not appear as a comment, and I have to make a separate comment
[08:21] <ddaa> sivang: sets of bugs?
[08:26] <sivang> ddaa: err, we talked about possibility to group stuff etc ? you asked if I could follow up to ML and I still haven't...rings a bell?
[08:27] <sivang> ddaa: havein like "My Lunachpad" in which I add stuff to groups that I want to focus on etc..
[08:27] <ddaa> Sure, that's something would make sense to me.
[08:27] <bradb> mdke_: I've already landed a fix for that. Should be rolled out within a week or so.
[08:27] <ddaa> I'm really bad at remembering all the stuff I raved about at conferences...
[08:28] <ddaa> usually that's not a problem because other people do not remember either :)
[08:28] <sivang> ddaa: actually it was here, on the channel , so now I now I'm not the only one (<-s/now/know/) with bad memory :)
[08:28] <bradb> mdke_: The fix will allow a Real Comment to be added at the same time you change things. ;)
[10:20] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Try to make externalsystem's XML parsing more robust (I have no idea what's causing the problem) (r3012: kiko)
[10:32] <mpt__> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:32] <ajmitch> morning mpt__ 
[10:37] <mpt> ok, what does "DDTT" stand for? Neither Google nor acronymfinder.com are any help
[10:38] <elmo> Debian Developer Temper Tantrum? :-P
[10:44] <LarstiQ> elmo: haha :)
[10:53] <mpt> plausible...
[11:00] <kiko> L O L
[11:30] <sivang> hey mpt
[11:31] <sivang> mpt: so you're back to southern hemisphere timezones?
[11:31] <sivang> (back in .nz)
[11:41] <cyberix> If the original application wants to develope an application in Launchpad, an application that already exists in Ubuntu, how and what should he do in Launchpad?
[11:43] <lifeless> pardon?
[11:43] <LarstiQ> cyberix: you have an application that you would want to register in launchpad, but someone else has already done so?
[11:53] <cyberix> LarstiQ: I'm just trying to understand how Launchpad works
[11:53] <cyberix> LarstiQ: With overlapping projects.
[11:54] <LarstiQ> cyberix: my first reaction was the same as lifeless', we have a hard time understanding what you are asking
[11:54] <lifeless> cyberix: I'm still not sure what you are asking
[12:03] <cyberix> Explain me how everything works when a package has two development teams and is included in two distributions
[12:03] <cyberix> All of which are managed with launchpad