/ works as well [03:29] (this time with .org) [03:29] those are the static pages which are still there [03:29] mbreit: in REVU it's tjaalton@ubu.hut.fi, real one is @cc.hut.fi === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] going to linux.conf.au [03:30] now i have a passport i can get my key signed [03:30] followed by be abel to finally actualy upload to universe [03:30] and can get cracking again :) [03:31] tepsipakki: i don't see that email address in the keyring... [03:31] aaah [03:31] =) [03:32] tja@iki.fi worked.. [03:32] somehow I thought it took the email from the upload-data [03:32] _that_ is in the keyring... i searched for "tjaa", so i did not find that *g* [03:33] ..in .changes I had tjaalton@ubu.hut.fi [03:34] <\sh> grmpf [03:34] <\sh> siretart: what we need is a similar database like this one http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing/project/debsecan/release/1/ [03:34] <\sh> siretart: debsecan [03:34] \sh: right. we don't have that right now, my question was if somebody is willing to do that for ubuntu [03:35] <\sh> siretart: if I can convince pitti to work on that database as well, no problem. [03:35] \sh: I think he is pretty busy, but you can try [03:35] <\sh> siretart: and I have to try to get the format of this zlib compressed database...it's not gunzipable [03:36] <\sh> siretart: what I need is the actual content of the database...so I have to check what's inside..but so or so, there is not a lot of differences [03:39] \sh: see my mail ? [03:40] <\sh> yes.. [03:40] \sh: I'll see if he says no [03:40] \sh: it's funny - I got your mail after I sent mine [03:43] siretart: I probably could do the work for that - assuming I have access to the needed resources [03:43] siretart: i have found the problem we had with revu saying "unusable public key"... his subkey has expired some days ago ;) [03:43] mbreit: oh :) [03:44] <\sh> Yagisan: we have to update this database and change the url for this. and adding ubuntu release names to the source..which is the easy task...it's just python [03:44] \sh: about? [03:44] yes :) [03:44] jabberd2 [03:44] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/jabberd2/+bug/3526 [03:44] Malone bug 3526: "SQL script are not shiped" Fix req. for: jabberd2 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Unconfirmed [03:45] just fixed that, seem reasonable to you? [03:45] \sh: found the database http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/secure-testing [03:45] <\sh> Lathiat: fix it and upload :) [03:45] \sh: i cant upload, care to? :) [03:45] <\sh> Lathiat: sure...debdiff? [03:45] \sh: yep gimme a couple [03:46] \sh: that database won't have ubuntu only .debs in it [03:46] <\sh> Yagisan: we will put everything inside... [03:47] just waiting for pbuilder to put itself together === Lathiat twiddles [03:47] i need a faster net connection :) === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa92.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont__ [n=lamont@mib.fc.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] <\sh> Yagisan: let [03:52] <\sh> grrr [03:53] <\sh> Yagisan: let's take debians database and add our changes [03:53] that would be great and perhaps the best solution === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.254.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] \sh: I'd like to grab the tools too, *now* in case they disappear [03:54] <\sh> Yagisan: if you want to work on it do it :) [03:55] \sh: sure - it's my interest (relates to my day job) - I'll go for it [03:55] hmm... look like everything i would like to have in dapper before uvf is already in, so what else could i do now? [03:55] \sh: I'm not much of a coder, so if I need help I'll give a yell [03:55] <\sh> Yagisan: see florians mail [03:56] <\sh> Yagisan: would be cool if we can work it out...collaboration between debian security team and ubuntu [03:56] <\sh> Yagisan: so we could use one database [03:56] \sh: I got a reply ?? hasn't arrived here yet [03:57] <\sh> Yagisan: I have it already :) [03:57] \sh: cool. just arrived [03:59] \sh: ok - however - not being an ubuntu member I can't speak on behalf of the project [04:01] <\sh> Yagisan: ok...talk to pitti about how we can easily take the ubuntu-cve data from him to inject them [04:02] \sh: will do. You also interested ? [04:02] <\sh> Yagisan: secondly, we need a detailed plan, if debian security doesn't want to work with us..so if there is the possibilty to have debians security database + our changes as ascii diff somewhere..great:) [04:02] \sh: I need to go to bed soon - taking daughter to the doctor in 5hrs [04:02] <\sh> Yagisan: I can help, yes :) interested in the sense of "I could need this tool for server administration" much better :) [04:02] \sh: of course [04:03] <\sh> Yagisan: ok...trying to gather all information we need [04:03] <\sh> Lathiat: ready? [04:03] \sh: if it's all from public data and they don't help we should be able to regenerate it if needed [04:04] pvbuilder just finished making [04:04] <\sh> Yagisan: well...the source of the data of debian is public..so we can use this data + add data from us..seeing that the base of the db is ascii, we can maintain diffs [04:05] <\sh> ah...btw...yestday, did someone raised the issue because of UVF exceptions and who can discuss them with mdz/kamion? === Yagisan downloading svn now just to check out that repo [04:05] \sh: yes [04:06] <\sh> siretart: ok..candidates approved? [04:07] mbreit: I bet lots of people would like to have amsn 0.95 in dapper because it has webcam support === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] and audio too, I think [04:07] \sh: the candidates weren't mentioned, so we decide on that (already done). no problem on that side [04:08] <\sh> siretart: ok..so it's you, slomo, dholbach , ogra, ajmitch , and? [04:08] sistpoty and crimsun [04:08] <\sh> cool :) [04:08] <\sh> very good :) [04:10] Hieronymus: that is just a merge with debian, right? === Kyral still feels like an idiot for directing his @ubuntu back onto itself... [04:10] mbreit: 0.95 is in Debian [04:10] \sh: is wine in dapper up to date? [04:10] the autoscript is working again? [04:10] Kyral: who deals with those address ? I have a problem with mine [04:11] elmo [04:11] ok, so I pinged the right person, thanks [04:11] <\sh> siretart: if wine 0.9.5 is latest release, then yes :) and 0.9.5 is the last released wine :) so yes :) [04:11] ogra: I couldn't find the source tarball for pimp [04:11] hub, hmm, let me look ... [04:11] great [04:11] mbreit: but http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/amsn says it's only there for kfreebsd-i386 :/ [04:11] lucas: if he pings back mind telling him I'm sorry for messing up the redirect.. [04:12] ogra: the ftp server is down [04:12] hub, yes thats intentional [04:13] Kyral: ok, will do [04:13] <\sh> Hieronymus: it's not in debian linux yet...only in debian freebsd [04:13] hub, http://www.grawert.net/software/pimp/pimp-0.1.6.tar.gz === Kyral feels like idiot ;P [04:13] Hieronymus: i don't see any build-log for x86 for that version... [04:13] ogra: thx [04:13] <\sh> Hieronymus: for debian linux only 0.94 is there [04:13] oh lucas can you review GTKEdit? ;P [04:13] hub, but its not good as a base, just have a look at how it looks and runs for some idea how to write a import tool [04:13] Kyral: I'm busy with real life stuff [04:14] hub, its gtk perl ... and not very good ... === Kyral points to the :P [04:14] ogra: well it is to have a look [04:14] and eventually package it :-) [04:14] \sh: I grabbed a copy of the s-t svn repo. I'll look at it when I get some free time today, otherwise if you need me feel free to email me - either my list email or my business email in my sig [04:14] ah ;) [04:14] ogra: I already have my ideas [04:14] Hieronymus: debian buildd says it built fine on ppc for example [04:14] hub, great ... === Yagisan is off to bed [04:14] <\sh> Yagisan: sure :) good night :) [04:15] hub, it was originally only a personal interim solution when usb storage cameras were not supported ... [04:15] hub, but it has a userbase .. === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@ubuntu/member/mitsuhiko] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] \sh: hrm [04:16] \sh: db-setup.mysql and oracle seem to magically get .gzd, yet .pgsql doesnt? [04:16] <\sh> Lathiat: hmm...check dh_compress somehow in rules file? [04:17] there is no dh_compress [04:18] <\sh> Lathiat: let me check one moment [04:24] \sh: http://bur.st/~lathiat/jabberd2-3526.debdiff -- works fine just weird 2 are .gz and one isnt, i'm going to bed now i'll see tomorrow [04:24] Hieronymus: I will merge amsn... [04:24] <\sh> mbreit: have fun...you have to take all actual plugins from the amsn-0.94 directory [04:25] <\sh> mbreit: because in the default release source tarball there is only 3 of those plugins and not 10 or more just like in debian :) [04:25] \sh: what's the problem? [04:25] \sh: this Debian guy is a real **** [04:25] \sh: wtf... [04:26] <\sh> mbreit: you have to try if the plugins for 0.94 are still working with 0.95 [04:26] <\sh> mbreit: or forget the plugins at all :) [04:26] <\sh> mbreit: which will give more complains === Kyral stabs his college === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.34.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] \sh: in debian amsn package, there are only 3 subfolders in plugins/ === vurdak [n=vurdak@151.56.34.31] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:28] <\sh> mbreit: then he patched everything via diff.gz [04:28] <\sh> fun [04:29] <\sh> *gnarf* [04:30] <\sh> hahha..yes he moved everything in to diff.gz fantastic [04:30] <\sh> lol [04:30] \sh: there are no plugins in diff.gz? [04:30] at least for 0.95 [04:30] <\sh> mbreit: there are a lot in it :) [04:31] <\sh> in 0.94 [04:31] <\sh> where did you get the 0.95 source package? [04:31] debian [04:31] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/amsn/ [04:31] <\sh> mbreit: hmm..yes...so he changed everything [04:33] \sh: but still the orig.tar.gz is bigger than the upstream tarball *sigh* [04:34] <\sh> hehe [04:35] I don't think that I want to touch that package.... [04:36] <\sh> mbreit: try to build ? [04:37] so should i keep the tarball from debian? [04:37] <\sh> mbreit: and check if https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amsn/+bug/5089 is fixed :) [04:37] Malone bug 5089: "[patch] amsn .desktop file is old, not valid" Fix req. for: amsn (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Instant Messaging, Status: Fix Released [04:38] i did === Hieronymus just looked at the .desktop file from Debian amsn 0.95 [04:38] it has no Version [04:38] it is fixed, so we could request a sync with debian [04:38] *if* it builds... [04:39] <\sh> mbreit: try it :) for what are you here :) [04:39] <\sh> Lathiat: uploaded [04:39] \sh: well, I can't do everything at once ;) [04:40] <\sh> mbreit: lol [04:40] <\sh> mbreit: why the gods of unix invented multiple terms and screen? [04:40] <\sh> heheh [04:42] \sh: useless with only two hands ;) [04:43] <\sh> mbreit: true :) === Hieronymus built amsn 0.95 from Debian [04:44] it seems to work [04:45] Hieronymus: you are too fast... I am still updating pbuilder ;) === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:57] Hieronymus: looks like amsn 0.95-1 builds and works on amd64, can't test logging in 'cause I don't have a msn account [04:58] but I'll request a sync from elmo anyway [05:01] mbreit: I logged in [05:01] amd64 as well [05:03] email to elmo has been sent [05:05] so what's next on the todo list? === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nealmcb [n=nealmcb@wikipedia/nealmcb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@c529d3992.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] <\sh> laters. === luk [n=luk@222.10-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d058239.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jelly [n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jelly [n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Client] === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-014-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sedak [n=fred@APuteaux-151-1-55-38.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-70-105-231-88.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] <\sh> lucas: please don't overreact only because a package maintainer said something...we have to concentrate on our distribution first, and then the rest. gparted is main, and it always had 0ubuntuX versions. [06:57] <\sh> lucas: most of the main packages (gnome/kde) have those numbers and are different from those in ubuntu...but the gnome/kde teams are working with debian teams on those packages...so everything is fine. [06:57] \sh: I discussed this with lucas. We might consider this as a process and at least, it should be documented. [06:57] \sh: I proposed to take gparted as an example, because it was my 'fault'. [06:58] It's certainly not a 'must'. [06:58] But it's good if people know, how they 'could' do it. [06:58] <\sh> dholbach: the problem is, those inquieries like joeys or others will increase, and that is the worst outcome of all this rants and flames [06:59] You can't relate bug reports to rants. [06:59] <\sh> dholbach: i'm only concerned, that we have to do more "legal" stuff, then everything else. Those incidents are really destroying the workflow === Gervystar [n=alessand@ip-124-244.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] Yes, we shouldn't make it a requirement. === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] We don't want no MOTU police watching over people and what they do. But it's good to have it documented and the more people do it, the better. === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@unaffiliated/firerabbit] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] <\sh> dholbach: I don't say that we should not file bug reports, I don't want that "people coming over the sea, because somehow they see their furs swimming, and giving us more work with thinking about legal stuff then to do our work". If there is a solution for feeding the trolls@debian, please let's find it, and everybody can go back to work. right now, it's just a barrel with black powder [07:01] \sh, you totally misunderstood joeys mail [07:02] <\sh> ogra: libmetakit was my incident today. it cost me more time to reply and explain the process, then everything. for a change which wasn't important to debian at all, and for a package where the next revision will be a sync. thx === seashell11 [n=eastern@pool-71-240-255-224.syr.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:03] why do you guys care one day before UVF for such political stuff ? [07:03] <\sh> ogra: I did understand his concerncs, he has a point. [07:04] \sh, he only said that he puts people reporting bugs for his software in foreign distros to his killfile [07:04] <\sh> ogra: that wsa the 2nd mail today. [07:04] <\sh> please read the 1st [07:04] ...as long as the distro makers dont remove his name [07:04] i talk about the first === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seashell11 [n=eastern@pool-71-240-255-224.syr.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["ttyl"] [07:05] <\sh> ogra: [07:05] <\sh> Please consider ALL code written/maintained by me that is present in [07:05] <\sh> Ubuntu and is not bit-identical to code/binaries in Debian to be not [07:05] <\sh> suitable for release with my name on it. [07:05] \sh: I just wanted to explain the gparted bit. [07:06] <\sh> the first paragraph of the mail is not important, the second paragraph is even more important, because he has a point there [07:06] \sh, you omit the second paragraph [07:06] \sh: and I think it's ok to explain the process. [07:06] <\sh> ogra: it's the second. the first is with the killfile [07:06] yes, but you miread it [07:06] <\sh> dholbach: for sure. [07:06] Cool. [07:06] So that's sorted out. [07:07] <\sh> dholbach: but we have to respect, that "first comes ubuntu, then the rest" (that is my thinking( [07:07] <\sh> ogra: ok..how would you read the second paragraph? [07:08] i would read the whole mail as mentioned above [07:08] and Kamion with whom i discussed it reads it the same way .... === xerxas [n=xerxas@176.107.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] <\sh> ogra: can you ask him? I tried to reach joey via email, but he 1. refuses to answer, 2. I don't have name ,) [07:09] <\sh> 3. I'm in his killfile [07:09] just answer his mail in the ML [07:09] <\sh> ogra: nope...I don't answer anymore on d-d [07:09] i dont think he killfiles mailing lists [07:10] on -motu i mean [07:11] <\sh> ogra: i did already :) [07:11] <\sh> Message-Id: <200601170708.21709.sh@sourcecode.de> === ogra is *very* annoyed by the politics that took place in MOTU over the last weeks === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-67-175.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:15] and i 100% agree that we dont need a MOTU police like the one that seems to form here recently [07:15] facecrime! [07:16] I'm sure most of us don't want it and we have to keep this in mind. What I love about MOTU is, that it changes and copes with the different types of load, it's not static - let's all try (whenever we change) to keep low hierarchies and little amount of policies in mind and it'll all be good. [07:16] dholbach,++++++++++++ [07:17] lets not morph MOTU in a debian subproject with all its bureocracy and annoyances please [07:17] you should educate people [07:17] no need of anything paper for that [07:17] seb128, exactly [07:18] just make clear that everybody wins by lowering the delta with Debian [07:18] seb128, nice to see you here btw :) [07:18] May I introduce star educator MAAAAAAAAAGIIIIIIIIIC SEEEEEEEEEEEB :-) [07:18] seb128, yes, but not force people to do so [07:18] ie: sending useful fixes to @packages.debian.org [07:18] or to the BTS [07:19] and not changing for little details like a typo fix or a desktop file, etc [07:19] <\sh> seb128: so define: what is useful? [07:19] but we made this always optional and thst what makes MOTU attractive for many people [07:19] <\sh> seb128: cxx transition renames? [07:19] yeah [07:19] seb128, recently people come in new and start writing policies which is not right imho ... [07:20] Giving back is nice....but if you don't wanna send it to Debian..I'll be more than happy to for you ;P [07:20] that's a matter of godd sense [07:20] that's like working with upstream [07:20] you should know when a patch is a distro hack [07:20] or should go upstream because it fixes something === Kyral gets back to work [07:21] Kyral: what do you mean? happy to keep a divergence? [07:22] <\sh> seb128: I send patches for the source stuff towards debian and upstream [07:22] seb128: No, I mean if you don't wanna file an ITP for it in Debian, I'll file the ITP for you and maintain it in Debian :P [07:23] <\sh> seb128: but trivial package renames will go away for the next release cycle or when debian is switching to new technologies like modular xorg or python2.4 [07:23] <\sh> packages in ubuntu but not in debian is again another story. === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] \sh: I'm not overreacting, I'm just saying that you were off topic [07:27] we you improve somebody else's work, it's good practice in the FLOSS community to notify him [07:28] that's what we do when we package a newer upstream release === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] Kyral: I bet you have a limit of what you can "maintain" [07:28] Kyral: or is "maintain" just uploading and not carring about the bugs coming next? [07:29] \sh: imagine you are a Debian maintainer. V 0.1 is packaged in Debian. You package 0.2 and then discover that all the work was already done in Ubuntu. How would you react ? [07:29] lucas: I disagree with that. Should I send 40 mails to the BTS every 2 weeks to notify every GNOME packager we are working on the new unstable version of their package? [07:29] <\sh> lucas: sure...but it should be the decision of the creator of the package. and I think that most of the stuff in main is cared for, that those things are going back to debian. dholbach can whip me, when I'm wrong :) [07:29] seb128: we are discussing universe packages hre [07:29] lucas: same issue [07:30] seb128: I'll fix bugs [07:30] if possible [07:30] ifnot I send to upstream :D [07:30] <\sh> lucas: well, I would look first over my shoulder [07:30] if the new version is running dch -i and uploading no need to send a mail imho [07:30] but I really should get back to classwork [07:30] hey, we have 24h until UVF, is it really the time for political discussions ? [07:31] <\sh> lucas: not doing the work first and then looking. [07:31] <\sh> lucas: but this is how I work. [07:31] it's not about politics, it's about improving processes so we actually have less work to do [07:32] lucas, for me its general chatter that could be done at a more appropriate time ... [07:32] seb128: btw, your example is wrong, since you are packaging gnome in debian too ;) [07:32] not 24h before an important deadline [07:33] lucas: not by myself and not everything :) [07:34] People: get in all the crazy new stuff you want to instead of asking ogra and me in the next days, kthxbye. [07:34] :) [07:34] ;) === ogra is on a conference anyway the next days :) [07:36] iirc there are a few more people that can approve new upstreams [07:36] although i have yet to see a clear list [07:36] or at least the same list twice [07:36] tseng, sure, but still we have a date for UFV and every exception requires extra eyeballing and manpower [07:37] and surely some frustration for the denied packages === \sh is glad [07:41] <\sh> not to be in the line :) [07:43] What about the wine update? [07:43] <\sh> to 0.9.5? === bddebian [n=bddebian@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] Heya gang [07:43] HEY bddebian! [07:43] Daniel!!!!! [07:43] Just in time for UVF! :) [07:43] <\sh> BARRY [07:43] I heard. :'-( [07:43] Heya \sh [07:44] <\sh> dholbach: latest release of wine is in dapper [07:44] Cool. [07:44] <\sh> dholbach: since 2 weeks or so? i don't remember [07:45] There was some chatter about this morning, so I thought I'd ask. [07:45] We should grep through our MOTU bugs and see if there's urgent stuff to update. [07:45] <\sh> ogra: btw...ssh -X works again, and I can't reproduce the bug with wine over remote [07:46] <\sh> ogra: the bloody amd64 box needed a stupid reboot [07:47] <\sh> ogra: DCOM98.exe (the installer of the bug reporter in edubuntu) does work perfectly, but the application or dll itself, can't be installed, because by default wine things it's 95 and not 98 or NT :) [07:47] <\sh> s/things/thinks/ === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] DCOM98?? WTF? :-) [07:48] Kyral: so did you set your @ubuntu.com address as your preferred address in LP? [07:51] <\sh> ok going back to "sending mails with cvs to companies :(" [07:51] <\sh> laters === robotgeek [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] LaserJock: question [07:51] yeah [07:52] LaserJock: http://www.pyrorobotics.org/ [07:53] I would be willing to build Ubuntu package for this program, and all it several recommends [07:53] I don't think it's in debian yet [07:53] robotgeek: make sure to check out the license, but it looks pretty cool === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] robotgeek: well, check for ITPs or RFPs [07:54] LaserJock: i have a basic listing here, if you are interested. http://robotgeek.org/wiki/Main/PyroInstallation [07:54] \sh_away, you'll need ltsp, ssh -X isnt enough [07:54] but thats not a UVF task anyway ... i'll do some testing the next weeks === dholbach does a Universe update. === WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip68-104-53-190.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] YAY, GO ME! [07:55] go dholbach go ! === robotgeek notes that there are 3 more days to UbuntuHugDay [07:55] (run forest run) :) [07:55] There's a HUG DAY in three days? === dholbach blinks. [07:56] 21'st, Bug Day, right? [07:56] Nobody invited me. [07:56] Heh [07:56] Or you mean the Party I'm about to have at my place? :) [07:56] robotgeek: I think it was 21 December, no? [07:57] damn, i missed it by over a week. 11th Jan, *sigh* [07:57] We'll have a new one, don't worry. :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [07:57] well, alteast i scared you folks for a moment [07:58] Didn't scare me, I'm useless lately :'-( === newbie_ [n=nobody@samlop.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === newbie_ is now known as bunda [07:59] hi [07:59] hi bunda ;) [08:01] ajmitch: ping? [08:02] robotgeek: pyrobot seems to be GPL and I can't find an ITP or RFP for it looks like fair game :-) [08:03] Does somebody have some time to do a review of my package cdpr? [08:03] robotgeek: you might try emailing the authors with your intentions, sometimes you need to get info from them so it is good to open a line of communication [08:03] LaserJock: HMm, i have to contact a lot of people. But will do so [08:04] about 7 packages, in all i think [08:04] robotgeek: ? [08:04] robotgeek: don't you just need to do pyrobot? [08:04] LaserJock: pyrobot acutally brings togehter about 6 other simulator packages [08:05] i think all of them are gpl [08:05] robotgeek: but do you need to package each seperatly? [08:06] LaserJock: yes, cause it's not really a dependency, and the simulators are from different places (Stanford, UCB etc) [08:07] hey bddebian! (still around?) [08:07] robotgeek: anyway, if you can come up witha a source package it would be cool [08:08] LaserJock: i'll see what i can do. This has been one of my goals, but i've attained some confidence only now. === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084F1EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] as always, i can bug you guys :) [08:08] sure [08:08] does anybody here have some time for a small review? [08:10] bunda: give it to me [08:10] i will attack the issue after my CategoryCleanups. later all === robotgeek [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:11] hmm I mean if you want, I can do it ;) just give me the url ;) [08:11] raphink http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1533 [08:11] ok [08:13] mbreit: Yep, sorry [08:16] ocbook2x-man kvpnc.1.docbook [08:16] I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd [08:16] does anyone has this problem ? [08:17] someone oups [08:22] could I get somebody to pastebin the output of "ls /etc/cron.daily" ? [08:22] bbiam === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:30] hi lucas [08:31] re === gborzi [n=gborzi@host33-115.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] Any MOTU who has some time to review and upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1534 (this fixes malone 3349)? [08:34] Hello, I need some help for a package (keytouch) I have submitted to MOTU. [08:35] Is there anyone ? [08:36] gborzi, about the config* files ? [08:36] Yes! I tried the link trick, but it doesn't work. === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0272.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] bunda: almots done with reviewing your package :) [08:37] these file already exist in the orig.tar.gz ? [08:37] files* [08:38] Yes, they are there. And the rules files overwrite them. [08:39] gborzi, ask a MOTU to confirm, but I think you can just drop the lines about config.{sub,guess} in debian/rules [08:40] bunda: comments sent ;) [08:40] Gloubiboulga: thanks for the suggestion, but I think those lines should not be dropped. === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-70-105-231-88.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] Otherwise the build will use the upstream author's config.* === gborzi [n=gborzi@host33-115.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [08:43] :/ [08:43] It was such a bad suggestion? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] so the questions is whether you need to get config.{sub,guess} in the diff.gz? [08:49] s/get/keep/ [08:49] you should avoid having it in diff.gz if at all possible [08:50] so can you just ignore them, I really don't understand [08:50] having references to it in debian/rules is fine, though, presuming you b-d on autotools-dev (or something that pulls it in) [08:51] well ideally upstream refreshes config.{guess,sub} periodically [08:51] I'm just wondering about whether it would be good to have commentaries on REVU sent to the packagers from the reviewer, automagically [08:51] sometimes I see that they are in the diff.gz. Is that because of the source package building process? [08:51] so the reviewer can just answer to get more infos for ex [08:51] LaserJock: pretty much [08:52] crimsun: but they aren't needed are they, aren't they just recreated when the binary package is built? [08:52] raphink: I think that functionality would be useful [08:53] LaserJock: it's not necessary to have the full contents of config.{guess,sub} in the diff.gz, no. [08:53] crimsun: :) [08:53] sispoty is not here though [08:53] raphink: I think that might become a REVU2 feature ;-) [08:53] yep [08:53] if sistpoty wsa here I would suggest him === azeem_ [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink wonders if he could write a filter to apply to Motu-reviewers emails, so that when a comment has been posted by him, it gets the email of the packager from the email and forwards it [08:56] I think we also need to have more than the email address to identify people. irc or LP names would be nice [08:57] you can add your irc to LP [08:57] and jabber etc [08:57] yep [08:57] although I doubt packagers on REVU look at the LP page of the people who review their packages [08:57] I do :) [08:58] I'm just saying it's hard to see who is uploading when all we have is their email address [08:58] you could do a lookup and link to the LP person page [08:58] or even switch user auth to LP [08:58] hmm, I think LP user auth might also be the plan for REVU2 but I can't remember [08:59] LaserJock: Yah *redface* [08:59] could I get somebody to pastebin the output of "ls /etc/cron.daily" ? [08:59] late [08:59] Kyral: don't worry I did it too, I'm glad I read the irc log ;-) [08:59] LaserJock: yes, when you get a comment on REVU, the name of the MOTU should be a link to his/her LP page [08:59] raphink: well, I think the uploader name is important too ;-) [08:59] sure [09:00] so uploaders would need to have an LP account [09:00] which would be good imo [09:00] LJ did yours get set back yet? [09:00] Kyral: I just switched my preferred email back. I didn't get any emails about it or anything [09:00] yah mine was disabled >_< [09:02] siretart: ping [09:03] crimsun: pong (but phon) [09:03] siretart: hi, what's the word on GL{u} b-ds so that we don't have to generate a merge based just on b-ds? [09:04] sorry? [09:04] siretart: the Build-Depends alternatives so that we can just use Debian's GL{u} [09:05] i.e., instead of libgl1-mesa-dev|libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev|libglu-dev [09:05] xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev , libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev [09:05] siretart: excellent, thanks === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] should work for both debian and ubuntu [09:05] right. [09:05] ah :) [09:06] I remember you asking infinity in -devel last week, just didn't jot it down [09:06] imo we should introduce a dummy package 'xlibmesa-gl-dev' which just depends on libgl1-mesa-dev [09:08] that would certainly save a lot of merge time [09:10] raphink: about your make target comment: a make target should be named as the file it creates, so make looks if the file does exist and is newer as the source files, otherwise is will build that target... [09:10] thanks mbreit :) [09:10] raphink: in make, targets who are _not_ files, are the exception ;) [09:11] hehe ok ;) [09:11] well debian/rules usually contains mostly exceptions then [09:11] so the dot in the target name is right there ;) [09:11] well, debian/rules is no typical use of make ;) === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greenpenguin13 [n=greenpen@user-196.l3.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-125-87.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@unaffiliated/lotusleaf] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sovvy2009 [n=sovvy200@82-37-32-193.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@85.65.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pkern [n=pkern@debian/developer/pkern] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] ogra: You might want to sync gobby_0.3.0-2 in, which is linked against Avahi, thus providing Zeroconf support, but as Gobby was patched a simple sync probably doesn't work (due to epochs or so); obby_0.3.0-3 would have to be synced in first. [10:00] gobby avahi support sounds nice === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] It's only the howl compatibility layer, we haven't yet started to 0.4.x tree containing native support (additionally to howl because avahi is not soon to be ported onto mingw) [10:04] pkern, oh i see. [10:04] morning === ajmitch checks to see what version we have at the moment [10:07] debian 0.3.0-2 ubuntu 0.3.0-1ubuntu1 [10:07] does it require a running avahi daemon? [10:07] yes I saw that thanks [10:07] ajmitch: Ew. That should be started automatically when it's installed on Debian/Ubuntu? [10:08] ajmitch: And yes, of course it does. [10:08] pkern: right - avahi is in main, but we have the policy of no listening ports by default [10:08] so the daemon isn't started, iirc [10:08] ajmitch: Well, most probably you're told to start mDNSresponder ;) === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] is it a runtime option in gobby? :) [10:09] And zeroconf is deactivated for the session [10:09] ok [10:09] Yep, but with failure message. [10:09] Currently mapping to howl. [10:09] hm [10:10] was avahi the only one that's DFSG-free? [10:10] yep [10:10] Howl 2 probably will be, too, taking the free mdnsresponder from avahi. === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] it gets messy & broken if two stacks try to claim reponsibility [10:11] ajmitch: Yep, currently there's only Avahi included in Debian and Ubuntu, so I see no problem. [10:11] yeah [10:11] ajmitch: I'll link against this lib anyway on Linux. [10:11] ajmitch: Against howl on OS X and Windows. [10:11] were you talking with the avahi developers recently about mingw? [10:11] I saw them talking about it in channel yesterday [10:11] Nope. === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] pkern, i'm very swamped currently and UVF is tomorrow [10:12] i couls ask for the sync now and let it fail on the buildds until i have time to fix it though [10:12] just saw that mingw's still considered not supported, so you're right :) [10:13] pkern, that would also solve your prob with scotts patches [10:14] ogra: UVF as in Debian as upstream or as in the part before the dash? [10:14] ogra: As this is a minor Debian revision only, no source code changes. [10:14] before the dash, actual upstream, AIUI === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] GRRRR === ogra_ throws a frozen pumpkin on the german telekom [10:19] how creative :) [10:19] it was lying on the terrace ;) [10:20] time for me to finish off 4 zope merges & file bugs [10:24] who can add a mysql database for me on tiber ? [10:24] umm [10:24] you need mysql? [10:24] #ugh [10:24] since it's mostly postgresql at the moment [10:24] cant you take postgres ? [10:24] no, I'd like to use phpmyedit to store some info [10:25] and it only supports mysql [10:25] tiber only has 512MB RAM, so I'm not sure if running postgresql+mysql at the same time is a good thing [10:25] lucas@tiber:~$ w [10:25] 16:24:46 up 40 days, 32 min, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [10:26] it doesn't seem too loaded right now otoh [10:26] and phppgadmin wont do it ? [10:26] no it's different === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:26] phpmyedit is about generating some simple table-based webapps [10:27] but anyway, I can start somewhere else [10:27] and move to tiber later [10:27] would be nice to keep some consistency [10:27] ask admin@tiber, the alias goes to those of us who can do it [10:27] or ask siretart & sistpoty also [10:27] ogra: consistency like ? [10:28] staying with one programming language, one database engine etc [10:28]