[12:04] <ogra> with only the locking functionallity
[12:04] <Burgwork> ogra, not really
[12:04] <ogra> but ? 
[12:04] <Burgwork> it does the lockdown stuff that sabayon can  do, but manually
[12:04] <Burgwork> such as editing gconf keys, mostly
[12:05] <ogra> yes
[12:05] <ogra> thats what i said above
[12:05] <penguin_roar> does it write into the sabayon profiles too?
[12:05] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, yes
[12:05] <ogra> nope
[12:05] <ogra> yes ? 
[12:05] <ogra> since when ? 
[12:05] <Burgwork> in newer versions of sabayon
[12:06] <penguin_roar> i installed the latest so it should work for me i suppose
[12:06] <ogra> ah
[12:06] <ogra> i didnt try the latest
[12:06] <penguin_roar> Burgwork, from CVS or the source package kind of latest?
[12:06] <Burgwork> might only be cvs head
[12:07] <penguin_roar> oki, ill setup a testbed then, dont want to rock the boat :D
[12:07] <Burgwork> http://www.vuntz.net/journal/2005/11/14/340-positive-feedback
[12:08] <penguin_roar> care to translate, plz? 
[12:09] <penguin_roar> argh, to fast
[12:09] <penguin_roar> ignore that
[12:09] <Burgwork> np
[12:09] <Burgwork> the sabayon <--> pessulus stuff is still very new, but I want to do some testing here at work too
[12:10] <penguin_roar> im in speed mode, installed Novell Open Enterprise, 100 thin clients and Edubuntu and im not wound down yet
[12:12] <penguin_roar> what is the "proper" way to setup settings in openoffice on ubuntu for all users? I just copied my own settings to /etc/skel but i suppose thats an ugly hack
[12:13] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, sadly I think that is the only way
[12:13] <penguin_roar> in k12ltsp there was a bunch of scripts that did those kind of things
[12:13] <penguin_roar> very handy, in /opt/ltsp they lied
[12:13] <Burgwork> the k12ltsp stuff might be easy to port
[12:15] <penguin_roar> any of theese days i need to get some time to chip in more
[12:15] <Burgwork> hah, you and me both
[12:16] <penguin_roar> im the only one who can Linux and my boss loves linux, guess who does 90% of all the work around here =)
[12:16] <penguin_roar> not that i can complain
[12:18] <Burgwork> I sell Linux, so I guess you could say I do 100%
[12:18] <penguin_roar> nice way to make a living
[12:19] <penguin_roar> do you sell services or whole packages?
[12:19] <Burgwork> both
[12:19] <Burgwork> together
[12:19] <ogra> he just sells the wrong system :)
[12:19] <penguin_roar> SUSE?
[12:19] <penguin_roar> heh
[12:19] <ogra> no edubuntu yet ;)
[12:20] <Burgwork> the business development side of hte company is looking at cool ltsp/multiseat stuff
[12:20] <penguin_roar> FC4 aint no dogfood, my former server was stable with 34 concurrent users on an AMD 3 Ghz
[12:21] <penguin_roar> it was unsinkable
[12:21] <penguin_roar> the only thing i miss is someone who do X through an ssh tunnel
[12:22] <penguin_roar> with ltsp that is'
[12:22] <penguin_roar> NX is nice but its not that easy to integrate with thin clients
[12:46] <penguin_roar> join #sweden
[12:46] <penguin_roar> sry, my bad
[08:50] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=668152&posted=1#post668152
[09:46] <JaneW> hi Burgundavia 
[09:48] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW cheers
[10:03] <Burgundavia> salut JaneW 
[10:03] <penguin_roar> hello there
[10:04] <penguin_roar> any of you know a way to see where your users surf with firefox, without a proxy?
[10:05] <JaneW> history?
[10:16] <penguin_roar> join /ltsp
[10:17] <penguin_roar> didnt get much sleep last night...
[10:30] <penguin_roar> anyone awake this hour?
[10:47] <jsgotangco> hear me roar
[02:57] <mhz> Anyone knows if iptables is broken or something in Breezy?
[02:58] <mhz> Anyone having problems with NAT?
[04:02] <juliux> hi mhz 
[04:02] <mhz> hi juliux 
[04:26] <tarbazli> hi all
[04:27] <tarbazli> i installed edubuntu an trying ltsp
[04:27] <ogra> ah, finally, hi
[04:27] <tarbazli> when i run ltspconfig
[04:27] <ogra> did you read the install notes ? 
[04:27] <tarbazli> it said everything is ok 
[04:27] <tarbazli> only xdmcp not installed
[04:27] <ogra> ltspconfig breaks everything 
[04:27] <ogra> its a bug that its available 
[04:27] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp doesnt use xdmcp ...
[04:28] <ogra> we use ssh instead 
[04:28] <tarbazli> how can i setup ssh then
[04:28] <tarbazli> excuse me ogra
[04:29] <tarbazli> where is the install notes ?
[04:29] <tarbazli> i want to read it
[04:29] <ogra> its all set up after install, you only need to edit the dhcpd.conf 
[04:29] <ogra> see the channel topic
[04:29] <tarbazli> i see
[04:29] <tarbazli> my network is 10.0.0.0 kind
[04:30] <ogra> i'd really suggest a reinstall if you didnt tweak to much yet 
[04:30] <ogra> since ltspadmin will likely have broken your ltsp setup
[04:30] <tarbazli> ogra my english is poor
[04:31] <mhz> tarbazli: where are you from?
[04:31] <ogra> where are you from ? 
[04:31] <ogra> heh
[04:31] <tarbazli> i understand "we musnt use ltspadmin and ltspconfig"
[04:31] <tarbazli> is that true ?
[04:31] <ogra> yes
[04:31] <tarbazli> i am from turkey
[04:31] <ogra> they are tools for the classic ltsp which we dont use 
[04:31] <mhz> oops, I dont speak that lang.
[04:31] <ogra> edubuntu has a new ltsp ...
[04:31] <tarbazli> i see
[04:31] <mhz> tarbazli: Edubuntu does almost everything for you to NOT worry about LTSP
[04:31] <mhz> :)
[04:31] <ogra> using ssh, not xdmcp
[04:32] <ogra> for security
[04:32] <tarbazli> i wonder why edubuntu programmer add ltspadmin and ltspconfig inside in edubuntu
[04:32] <tarbazli> i understand
[04:32] <ogra> its a bug ...
[04:32] <ogra> i missed that the dependency was there ... sorry 
[04:32] <tarbazli> may i delete it ?
[04:32] <ogra> its fixed in the next release
[04:33] <ogra> no
[04:33] <tarbazli> mhz : thanks
[04:33] <tarbazli> ok
[04:33] <ogra> you cant, the new ltsp accidently depends on it
[04:33] <ogra> just dont use them
[04:33] <tarbazli> ok i wont use them
[04:33] <tarbazli> i understand
[04:33] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <tarbazli> now i am trying open a client
[04:34] <tarbazli> a sec please
[04:34] <tarbazli> it says
[04:35] <tarbazli> "Me: 10.0.0.200, dhcp: 10.0.0.2, tftp: 10.0.0.2, gateway: 10.0.0.254
[04:35] <tarbazli> searching for server (dhcp)
[04:36] <tarbazli> tftp error 1
[04:36] <tarbazli> file not found
[04:36] <tarbazli> :(
[04:36] <ogra> yes its broken
[04:36] <ogra> like i said, its not easy to fix 
[04:36] <tarbazli> what must i do now
[04:37] <tarbazli> if you tell
[04:37] <ogra> if you can do a reinstall and just follow the install notes
[04:37] <tarbazli> then i will do it
[04:37] <tarbazli> yes
[04:37] <ogra> only edit the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file after installing
[04:38] <tarbazli> ogra i understand you
[04:38] <tarbazli> but i am new on linux
[04:38] <tarbazli> i like it very much
[04:38] <tarbazli> and i want to learn it
[04:38] <ogra> great :)
[04:38] <tarbazli> if i work to fix that problem then i can learn lot of about linux
[04:39] <tarbazli> do you know a document about that problem 
[04:39] <ogra> there is no document about that 
[04:39] <tarbazli> then have yo0u got time ?
[04:40] <ogra> you would need to undo all changes that ltspadmin did to your system 
[04:40] <ogra> i have no idea what it did ...
[04:40] <ogra> i dont work with the old ltsp ...
[04:41] <tarbazli> ogra: my client display says a problem image file
[04:41] <tarbazli> i think there is aproblem tftp setup
[04:42] <ogra> yes, as i said, it tries to use the old ltsp mixed with the new ltsp 
[04:42] <ogra> you wont be able to upgrade, even if you get it working, it will break with the next security update 
[04:43] <tarbazli> but i update and upgrade few minut ago
[04:45] <tarbazli> ogra: is tftp send file inside /var/lib/tftp/ltsp ?
[04:46] <ogra> the normal edubuntu ltsp does that, yes
[04:46] <ogra> classic ltsp does it somewhere else
[04:46] <tarbazli> mine is not normal ?
[04:47] <mhz> nope
[04:47] <ogra> if you run ltspadmin, you break it
[04:47] <tarbazli> i see
[04:47] <tarbazli> i will format and clean isntall
[04:47] <ogra> pieces are classic and pieces are new ltsp
[04:47] <mhz> tarbazli: Edubuntu is using a modified LTSP
[04:47] <mhz> (for better)
[04:47] <ogra> mhz, s/modified/new implemented/
[04:47] <mhz> oh, yes
[04:47] <tarbazli> i understand
[04:48] <hannes_> hello
[04:48] <mhz> hello
[04:48] <hannes_> W're currently renewing some computer classes in my school
[04:48] <hannes_> and thought about installing edubuntu
[04:49] <hannes_> (free-use classes)
[04:49] <hannes_> or not renewing
[04:49] <ogra> cool :)
[04:49] <hannes_> but have to do something as the current windows installations are becoming unstable
[04:50] <hannes_> and I'd have a few questions about it
[04:50] <hannes_> what is the easiest way to access local devices?
[04:50] <hannes_> or is there any?
[04:51] <ogra> nope, not yet 
[04:51] <hannes_> such as fdd and cd-drives
[04:51] <hannes_> ok
[04:51] <ogra> ltsp.org has some different implementations you can use 
[04:51] <ogra> but there is none included by default
[04:52] <ogra> we'll have it by default in the october release
[04:52] <hannes_> ah, ok
[04:54] <hannes_> is thee any user imput required if booting from PXE (at boot time)
[04:57] <ogra> what exactly do you mean with "user input" ?
[04:59] <hannes_> well, what is required, if it is ser as the primary booting method in BIOS?
[05:00] <hannes_> *set
[05:00] <ogra> nothing :)
[05:00] <ogra> you just boot 
[05:00] <ogra> and get a login screen afterwards :)
[05:00] <hannes_> that sounds good enough
[05:02] <hannes_> what class should the server be when powering 8-10 clients
[05:02] <hannes_> and what should be concidered in the hardware-side on the server?
[05:04] <ogra> a rule of thumb is 100-128MB per client on the server and 256MB for the server itself 
[05:05] <ogra> the CPU as fast as you can afford, it should be > 1Ghz
[05:05] <hannes_> yes
[05:05] <ogra> so for 10 clients 1-1.5G is necessary ...
[05:05] <hannes_> yes
[05:06] <ogra> the clients should be >300Mhz and have 64MB or more
[05:07] <hannes_> ogra: well, the clients are 466/566MHz celerons with 64/96/128MB of memory
[05:07] <ogra> great, sounds perfect
[05:09] <hannes_> and I'm thinking 100Mbps networking is enough
[05:09] <ogra> yup
[05:10] <ogra> just dont run 10M coax :)
[05:10] <hannes_> We're having a meeting about it next week, and I'll have to set up a test machine by then, If there is something I'll need to ask I'll come here
[05:11] <ogra> yup, great ...
[05:11] <ogra> see the install notes before installing ...
[05:11] <hannes_> yes
[05:12] <hannes_> and you can run X on the server, right? 
[05:12] <hannes_> hmm
[05:12] <ogra> it starts by default ...
[05:12] <hannes_> ok
[05:12] <ogra> you can disable it if needed :)
[05:12] <hannes_> ok
[05:13] <hannes_> well, thanks for now
[05:13] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[05:23] <pc22> hi ogra 
[05:23] <pc22> seen yagi?
[05:24] <ogra> not today yet, nope
[05:24] <jsgotangco> its probably 2am on his side at the moment
[05:24] <jsgotangco> :P
[05:24] <ogra> thats no reason at all :)
[05:25] <jsgotangco> heh you don't even need sleep
[05:25] <pc22> ah
[06:15] <jkeel> hi
[06:15] <jkeel> does anyone here use Kanagram in KDE?
[06:16] <jkeel> (I wrote it, and I'm just trying to figure out how much usage it's getting)
[06:18] <phos-phoros> not yet jkeel, but I'm sure my kids will enjoy it once I finish downloading/installing edubuntu on their pc
[06:19] <ogra_> jkeel, its included in the next edubuntu release by default
[06:19] <jkeel> ah, excellent
[06:19] <jkeel> ogra_: so it's not there yet, but will be
[06:20] <jkeel> ?
[06:20] <jkeel> (I couldn't find a package listing on edubuntu.org)
[06:20] <ogra_> err, its there 
[06:20] <ogra_> wasnt it renames ? 
[06:20] <ogra_> *renamed
[06:20] <jkeel> yeah, rewritten and renamed from KMessedWords to Kanagram
[06:21] <ogra_> we ship kmessedwords in the last release and kanagram in the next :)
[06:21] <jkeel> ah :)
[06:21] <ogra_> since kanagram didnt exist when we did our last release in october :)
[06:22] <jkeel> right :)
[06:23] <jkeel> ogra_: is there any educational software you'd like to see created. I have a project in mind, but I'm also looking around some for a new project
[06:23] <phos-phoros> could someone tell me what window manager this is https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=b2175_screen_wmaker.jpg
[06:24] <jkeel> looks like Window Maker
[06:24] <ogra_> jkeel, thats rather a question for the mailing list, i'm the guy who throws it all together, but not the best to decide about edu apps ... :)
[06:25] <ogra_> phos-phoros, thats the desktop of mhz_Vuelvo2hrs :) 
[06:25] <ogra_> window maker ...
[06:25] <phos-phoros> thanks
[06:46] <jelkner> ogra_: ollie, is that you?
[06:47] <jelkner> i just flight tested flight-3
[06:47] <jelkner> the mother flew just fine
[06:48] <jelkner> but not the little birds
[06:54] <ogra_> jelkner, did you remember to add next-server ? 
[06:55] <jelkner> no
[06:55] <jelkner> where?
[06:55] <ogra_> in the dhcpd config
[06:55] <jelkner> the only change i made was in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
[06:56] <jelkner> the clients get an address
[06:56] <ogra_> add next-server <serverip> to /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
[06:56] <jelkner> but they hang on "Trying to load pxelinux.cfg...
[06:56] <steelballz> Can anyone help with a ltsp question
[06:57] <jelkner> ogra_: anywhere special?
[06:57] <ogra_> just somewhere where all the other stuff is, the order is your choice
[06:57] <jelkner> ok, let me try
[06:58] <ogra_> steelballz, whats the prob  ?
[06:59] <steelballz> I am getting an error when installing flight 3. the error is "Build LTSP chroot failed"
[07:00] <ogra> what architecture ? 
[07:00] <steelballz> amd 64 dual core 3800+
[07:00] <ogra> hmm, thats shouldnt happem
[07:01] <ogra> thats directly in the installer ? 
[07:01] <steelballz> yes
[07:02] <steelballz> I did run the cdrom error check and there is an error would you like me to get that error? The file seems unrelated though
[07:03] <ogra> oh, then your media is broken 
[07:03] <ogra> at which speed did you write the disk ? 
[07:05] <steelballz> That's what I thought but I downloaded it 2 more times including the daily version with the exact same results. I even burned a disk at 4x. I also tried 3 different discs. It appears to be an error in the image.
[07:05] <ogra> amd64 or i386 image ? 
[07:05] <steelballz> The server and workstation installs work fine
[07:06] <steelballz> amd54
[07:06] <ogra> hmm, worked fine here during the tests
[07:07] <ogra> a broken file sounds very suspicious like a broken CD, are yoou sure your CDRom is ok ? 
[07:08] <steelballz> Is there a way I can run the workstation install and then install the ltsp after? Can you remind me of the install command. also will it properly build the i386 directory for the ltsp clients?
[07:09] <steelballz> I have even tried 3 dirrent cd drives dor burning and reading
[07:09] <ogra> you must run it manually anyway on amd64, by default the host arch is used in the installer 
[07:09] <ogra> so you need to run ltsp-build-client manually with --arch i386 post install
[07:10] <ogra> (unless you use amd64 clients :) )
[07:10] <steelballz> So this error I am getting is the attempt to build the i386 directory?
[07:10] <ogra> it doesnt attmpt to build i386 on amd64 
[07:10] <ogra> it builds amd64 
[07:11] <ogra> thats what i mean, you need to run sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 andway to build the i386 chroot 
[07:11] <steelballz> gotcha
[07:12] <ogra> s/andway/anyway/
[07:13] <steelballz> Should I run the workstation install and the run apt get to obtain the ltsp server and then run the i386 command?
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: can you send me your ppc chroot?
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: I can't install edubuntu on it :P
[07:14] <lucasvo> it would be much easier
[07:14] <ogra> why ?
[07:15] <lucasvo> ogra: I have problems with my hd
[07:15] <ogra> dont you have a breezy liveCD ? 
[07:15] <lucasvo> no
[07:15] <lucasvo> not ppc
[07:19] <steelballz> orga: I really wanted to get this working. Just so you know I checked all 3 seperate downloads and none of them match your md5sum. I really think your uploaded image is bad.
[07:20] <ogra> thats automatically uploaded by the build system ...
[07:20] <ogra> i downloaded the same image and tested it on 3 arches, are you sure you downloaded flight3 and not a dily image ? 
[07:21] <steelballz> I tried both
[07:21] <steelballz> Hang on I will find the path i used
[07:23] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/
[07:23] <ogra> thats the path ...
[07:23] <steelballz> orga: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/dapper-install-amd64.iso
[07:23] <ogra> cab68293e0dc7da1035676bdfb61a72e
[07:24] <ogra> and thats the md5sum i get for the downloaded iso here
[07:24] <steelballz> I get a different md5sum. would you like the number?
[07:24] <ogra> nope 
[07:25] <ogra> its enough to know that you get a different one 
[07:25] <ogra> something is surely wrong ... do you have a proxy involved in the network connection  ?
[07:25] <steelballz> If you want I could download the 32bit version and see what happens
[07:26] <steelballz> No Iam dirrectly connected to the internet at home
[07:26] <steelballz> I am using a sofaware box (checkpoint) I am a firewall admin
[07:27] <ogra> hmm, very strange ...
[07:27] <ogra> but i definately get the right file here ...
[07:28] <steelballz> Should I try a torrent. I avoid thouse because they take so long
[07:28] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060116/
[07:29] <ogra> that will disapper tonight if the next daily is built, its identical with flight3
[07:29] <ogra> try downloading this one 
[07:30] <steelballz> Ok i will try it. Will you be around in another half hour? Thanks : )
[07:30] <ogra> might be ... i cant promise it :)
[07:31] <steelballz> Ok thanks
[07:35] <steelballz> Orga: I have been testing Centos 4.2 64 bit version with ltsp and FC4 version of ltsp and they both automatically creat the i386 directory because most if not all clients that would be connecting to a ltsp server would be 32 bit. Do you ever plan on setting it up this way?
[07:37] <ogra> zjaz depends how much change to the installer is involved, i havent looked at it yet
[07:37] <ogra> s/zjaz/that/
[07:37] <steelballz> Orga: I also get the same error with the 20060119
[07:37] <Burgwork> ogra, that was a very interesting typo
[07:38] <ogra> my right hand was shifted one key to the right :)
[07:39] <ogra> steelballz, the isos after the 20060116 one are all not tested
[07:40] <ogra> and the latest ones are overflown and this broken, 20060119 surely wont work
[07:40] <ogra> s/this/thus/
[07:40] <steelballz> ok
[07:55] <jelkner> ogra: FYI: the little birds fly ;-)
[07:56] <ogra> thats what i expected :)
[07:56] <jelkner> the first time i booted after adding next-server i only got to # prompt
[07:56] <jelkner> so i rebooted the client and it got to X
[07:56] <jelkner> looks great!
[07:57] <ogra> jelkner, ltspfs and ltspfsd were upgraded to the latest version yesterday, you can install them from universe and use the ltsp.org scripts with them for local device support
[07:57] <lucasvo> jelkner: I have exactlz the same problem
[07:57] <jelkner> wow!
[07:57] <jelkner> that is awesome news!
[07:57] <ogra> jelkner, oh, and please have a look at pida its far beyond idle but very similar imho
[07:57] <jelkner> ogra: thanks a 10**6!
[07:58] <jelkner> ok, i'll check out pida
[07:58] <jelkner> i've been using drpython
[07:58] <ogra> isnt that wxpython based ? 
[07:58] <jelkner> but i've been corresponding with stani michaels about spe
[07:58] <jelkner> yes
[07:58] <jelkner> stani might be adding something to spe for me that would make me switch.
[07:59] <ogra> thats a blocking factor for main ... or at least a difficulty
[07:59] <jelkner> for now, yes?
[07:59] <jelkner> but eventually, all the cool python stuff is going that way
[07:59] <ogra> i have no crystal ball here :)
[07:59] <ogra> sure for now :)
[07:59] <jelkner> pythoncard is wxpython based too
[07:59] <jelkner> spe is as well
[07:59] <ogra> yup
[08:00] <jelkner> the future standard gui toolkit for python seems to be wxpython
[08:00] <jelkner> not everyone loves it
[08:00] <ogra> in ubuntu its pygtk ...
[08:00] <jelkner> hmm...
[08:01] <ogra> the problem might be security related, i dont know ... and its an ugly beast to maintain as a package ...
[08:01] <jelkner> which, wxpython or pygtk?
[08:01] <ogra> wxpython
[08:01] <jelkner> ok, i need to run to another school
[08:01] <jelkner> talk to you later...
[08:01] <ogra> ciao
[08:01] <jelkner> thanks again!
[08:10] <lucasvo> ogra: so, why did jelkner and me have to reboot the machine because of some strange root console?
[08:10] <ogra> huh ? 
[08:10] <lucasvo> he said:
[08:10] <lucasvo> 19:56 < jelkner> the first time i booted after adding next-server i only got to # prompt
[08:11] <lucasvo> 19:56 < jelkner> so i rebooted the client and it got to X
[08:11] <ogra> ah, thats the nfs timeout
[08:11] <ogra> still needs a debugging session
[08:11] <lucasvo> good
[08:14] <hannes_> 2057.02 < ogra> jelkner, ltspfs and ltspfsd were upgraded to the latest version yesterday, you can install them from universe and use the ltsp.org scripts with them for local device support2057.02 < ogra> jelkner, ltspfs and ltspfsd were upgraded to the latest version yesterday, you can install them from universe and use the ltsp.org scripts with them for local device support
[08:14] <hannes_> oops
[08:14] <hannes_> sorry
[08:14] <ogra> heh
[08:15] <juliux> ogra, ping
[08:15] <ogra> lucasvo, did you reboot or restart the nfs server when you changed the next-server option? or did you only restart dhcpd ? 
[08:15] <ogra> juliux, pong
[08:16] <mhz> ogra: how many canonical hired developers are there currently? any list I can see? (to know who is not hired by canonical)
[08:16] <juliux> ogra, do you have a short text about what edubuntu is?
[08:16] <Burgwork> mhz, on edubuntu, only ogra with matt did some work on ltsp early on
[08:16] <lucasvo> ogra: no, every time I start up, I have to do it 2 times
[08:17] <lucasvo> I get the strange console, ->ctrl+alt+del
[08:17] <ogra> mhz, i have no clue, the distro team might be 15 or 20 the launchpad team are some more iirc
[08:17] <mhz> Burgwork: ok, so that's 2. But in total (Ubuntu and official projects)?
[08:17] <lucasvo> :P
[08:17] <mhz> lucasvo: hehehe
[08:18] <Burgwork> mhz, 15 maybe. The dapper development report will give an exact number, as they are all required to be at those meeting
[08:18] <lucasvo> anybody know how to add images into illustrator?
[08:18] <ogra> Burgwork, there are also community contributors that have feature goals
[08:18] <ogra> so there are more people on that list
[08:18] <Burgwork> ogra, yes
[08:18] <mhz> Burgwork: any idea where I can get that report? wiki?
[08:19] <Burgwork> mhz, it goes to -announce each week, I think
[08:19] <ogra> its sent weekly to the -announce list
[08:19] <Burgwork> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000056.html
[08:19] <mhz> Burgwork: oh, right, thx. (iirc log is more difficult because many ohters attend those meetings -even myself)
[08:20] <Burgwork> ogra, yes, but you can generally sort out the community from the canonical, as the community have one goal and the you lot have about 10 billion each
[08:20] <mhz> indeed :D
[08:21] <ogra> heh
[08:37] <steelballz> ogra: I tried what you said with 20060116 and I got the same error
[08:45] <steelballz> ogra: are you still there?
[08:48] <steelballz> Is anyone here?
[08:51] <mhz> steelballz: what's the problem?
[08:51] <vmarks> no
[08:52] <steelballz> I downloaded and ran the install per ogra's request and it still fails
[08:56] <ogra> steelballz, does the md5sum match now  ?
[08:57] <steelballz> Let me check
[08:59] <steelballz> yes
[08:59] <steelballz> I am trying the 32 bit right now
[09:09] <steelballz> ogra: the 32bit works fine. Interesting
[09:10] <ogra> what about the md5 ? 
[09:10] <steelballz> For the 32 bit?
[09:10] <ogra> nope
[09:10] <ogra> for the one we compared before indeed
[09:11] <steelballz> I replied above. The 20060116 matched
[09:11] <ogra> ah, i misse dthe yes
[09:11] <ogra> but it still didnt install ? 
[09:11] <steelballz> Is there a debug mode install I can run during install to pinpoint the problem?
[09:12] <ogra> could you look what fails on tty3 if you get the error ? 
[09:12] <steelballz> No it failed in the same spot
[09:12] <steelballz> OK
[09:12] <ogra> tty3 will have the output from the ltsp builder
[09:12] <ogra> it should clearly state the error
[09:13] <steelballz> Give me one second I want to let the 32 bit complete. Thanks
[09:32] <steelballz> The 32 bit installed completely with no issues. i am running the 64 bit right now
[09:34] <steelballz> I have the error. There is a lot of info
[09:35] <steelballz> The main error is "E: Couldn't find the package xresprobe
[09:37] <steelballz> Ogra: are you still on?
[09:37] <ogra> hmm
[09:37] <ogra> xresprobe should be on the disk, i didnt get that error here
[09:38] <steelballz> Is there an easy way for me to check that it in on the disk?
[09:39] <ogra> yup, look in /pool/main/x
[09:39] <ogra> (on the cd)#
[09:39] <ogra> the testreport doesnt mention xresprobe for that build 
[09:39] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060116/report.html
[09:40] <steelballz> what do you mean?
[09:40] <ogra> there is a test report for the iso in the daily dir ...
[09:41] <ogra> it shows the packages that didnt work ...
[09:41] <ogra> (see the url)
[09:41] <ogra> xresprobe isnt listed there, it should be on the Cd ... and as i said, i didnt have that error here 
[09:41] <steelballz> Pardon my stupidity but you are saying I am SOL?
[09:42] <ogra> but no reason to worry for you, since you dont want an amd64 chroot anyway
[09:42] <ogra> just jump over the ltsp step 
[09:42] <ogra> finish the installation and set up ltsp manually for i386
[09:42] <ogra> its pretty easy ...
[09:44] <steelballz> cool. Just for reference do you have a link that I can use for guiding me throught the LTSP install?
[09:44] <ogra> the if you hit ok on the error in the forst tty you'll get to a menu, just go to the next step after the ltsp stuff and go on with the install
[09:44] <ogra> yup
[09:45] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientHowto
[09:45] <ogra> thats a very detailed instruction set 
[09:45] <ogra> you'll only need the ltsp-build-client step ...
[09:45] <steelballz> Well you taught me to make sure I examine the testreport
[09:45] <steelballz> awesome thanks
[09:45] <ogra> tftp dhcp and ssh should be preconfigured
[09:46] <steelballz> what flavor ltsp are you at. 4.4.?
[09:46] <ogra> note that the --arch option isnt documented yet ...
[09:46] <ogra> ubuntu ltsp ;)
[09:46] <ogra> its a completely new implementation based on ssh 
[09:46] <steelballz> lol
[09:47] <steelballz> will sound work on the clients?
[09:47] <ogra> ltsp.org just adopts it as the muecow concept for their next version
[09:47] <ogra> you need to set SOUND = Y in the lts.conf for the clients ...
[09:48] <ogra> (its neither documented yet)
[09:48] <steelballz> You have been very helpful thanks. Your support blows away Centos and FC
[09:48] <ogra> thanks :) 
[09:49] <ogra> thanks for giving feedback ... testers giving good feedbackl are rare :)
[09:50] <ogra> btw, if you want to set up the i386 chroot a bit faster, mount the i386 cd 
[09:51] <ogra> hmm
[09:51] <ogra> what dropped me ..
[09:51] <ogra> i was about to say:
[09:52] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom
[09:52] <ogra> then your chroot is built in less than 10 min
[09:52] <ogra> else it will build it from the net, which takes up to 45min, depending on yur web connection
[10:20] <steelballz> ogra: I ran the client build but it only installed amd64. How do i install the i386?
[10:21] <ogra_> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom
[10:21] <ogra_> (mount the i386 cd before)
[10:21] <steelballz> oh yeah sorry
[10:57] <penguin_roar> Hey, found out howto set the default save format in OO to MS format.
[10:57] <penguin_roar> Boy do i feel stupid
[10:57] <penguin_roar> To set it just change /etc/openoffice/openoffice.conf and all users gets the settings
[10:58] <penguin_roar> If its needed im interested in helping out with the documentation, i stumble upon things like this all day =)
[11:02] <Burgwork> penguin_roar, talk to kjcole and jelkner
[11:04] <penguin_roar> ok, ill grab them when i see them, thanks
[11:06] <penguin_roar> heh, they sure set the goals high in the Edubuntu Cookbook, Downloading the internet. Pretty tedious task :D
[11:53] <mhz> penguin_roar: and you could start making those docs in the wiki, in the meantime :)