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RiddellJRe: upstream version freeze is tomorrow12:06
Riddellthursday12:06
Riddellnew pacakges are allowed right enough12:07
alleeRiddell: that's strange.12:44
alleeRiddell: so feel free to upload digikam 0.8.1 later (but without risk to miss deadline ;)12:45
RiddellMez: if we did KDE in backports is there some way to make sure they get released on the day of KDE release?01:05
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=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Tue Jan 17 10:51:36 2006
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MezRiddell: if we did it in backports-  it'd be dependent on it being in version+1 on release07:49
Mezand also how fast you can get James to process it07:50
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DenHi - is there a web page telling who is on the ubuntu KDE developers  team, who they are, what their specialty is?08:11
Tm_TDen: Riddell does have some kind of list, ask from him ;)08:12
DenRiddell: Are you here?08:12
Tm_TDen: and hullo, welcome here too ;)08:12
Tm_TI think he's sleeping08:12
DenTm_T: yes, Tanks :)08:13
Tm_Task 3h later, prolly better luck08:13
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\shRiddell: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2006-January/011994.html -> is fixing most of the problems in pykde09:56
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Riddell\sh: is it available yet?10:22
Riddellmorning chmj 10:22
\shI'm waiting for uploads to the servers10:22
\shI just woke up, and read my email and had this wonderful message in...10:22
Riddell"The requested URL /snapshots/PyKDE was not found on this server." fooey10:22
\sh"uploads to the servers == to riverbank"10:22
\shRiddell: yepp10:22
\shI'll just asked for a prerelease privatly to me :)10:23
\shif it's early enough..and it comes today, I'll package it and upload to dapper...(with short uvf exception from kamion/mdz)10:24
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Riddell\sh: the kmail crash is caused by kubuntu_0066_fcsort2fcmatch.dpatch not immodule10:29
Riddellfreeflying: ^^10:29
\shRiddell: but do you have as well amarok crashes. I didn't have anhy problems here, which is a clean dapper :)10:30
sebas\sh: If a new pykde snapshot goes into dapper, could you warn me as soon as it's available, so I can test guidance with it?10:32
\shsebas: sure10:32
sebasThe last one caused some API changes, I may have to adapt a couple of things.10:32
sebasThanks!10:32
\shsebas: did you read the announcement? I think it's not changing so much from the previous snapshot...but honors some patches the community was asking for. :)10:33
\shsebas: what I'm doing anyways is to check all apps depending on pykde...10:34
\shsebas: before I upload to dapper :)10:37
sebas\sh: Ah, even better, feel free to fix our version in svn ;-)10:41
sebasSerious: let me know, and I'll fix it, we need to adapt for upstream anyway.10:41
\shsebas: no problem..and which svn? :)10:42
sebaskdesvn10:43
sebasWe're in playground/base10:45
\shsebas: thx :) do you think guidance will be somehow becoming a default for kde?10:48
Riddellprobably not, it doesn't work with a lot of distributions10:50
\shthat's sad..because I think kde should have more python apps 10:51
\shto be honest, all distributions should be forks of kubuntu ;)10:52
sebas\sh: I've talked with Ben Meyer about it at akademy, and we're planning to use guidance modules in KDE4.10:53
sebasSo, yes.10:53
\shsebas: cool :)10:54
sebasRiddell: There are no tools that do the job right now, and guidance is easy to adapt.10:54
sebasIt's built with distro independancy in mind, and the only thing that should be distro-specific is serviceconfig/10:54
sebasServiceconfig has support for Mandrake, Debian and Gentoo, and others are quite easy to add.10:55
sebasSo, as to Linux, most of the stuff should work without too much effort.10:55
sebasBSD or other OS'es are another thing, though.10:55
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: UVF on Thursday | Flight 3 out || https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Join: http://www.last.fm/group/Kubuntu+Developers/
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Riddellyo jjesse 02:29
jjesseyo Riddell 02:30
Riddelljjesse: what's the status of kubuntu-docs?  (team meeting today)02:30
jjessereleasenotes is caught up, starting on quickguide, just added another writer gedde (i think his name is) and he is working on quickguide as well02:30
jjessethere shouldn't be any changes to about-kubuntu should there?02:31
jjessereleasenotes are also now available on doc.u.c so people can see what is going to be in dapper for a sneak peak02:32
Riddellwe need to fix the stylesheet in firefox for about-kubuntu02:32
jjesseok that is something i don't know how to do02:32
Riddellno, that's my responsibility :)02:33
Tonio_hi all02:33
Riddellhi teprrr 02:34
RiddellTonio_: 02:34
\shRiddell: did you read the uvf exception report? I think it's enough for colin and matt?02:34
jjessemorning Tonio_ 02:34
Riddell\sh: yeah, looks very complete02:34
\shgood to know :)02:34
jjesseRiddell: where you talking about doc team meeting today?02:35
Tonio_Riddell: FYI, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1529 -> modifications required done02:36
Riddelljjesse: ubuntu developers team meeting, in half an hour in #ubuntu-devel02:37
jjesseRiddell: ok do you need anything else from me ? do i need to be there?02:37
teprrrhttp://tuksutin.d5k.net/~tpr/kubuntu/kboggle/0.4.1/ -- there's a kboggle package if someone wants to test it02:38
Riddelljjesse: nope, that's great thanks02:38
teprrrx breakage has been started today?02:48
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the "too many executable files", would you suggest a bug cdbs patch, a rule entry, or maybe a tarball rebuild ?02:53
RiddellTonio_: I'd fix it in .orig02:54
RiddellTonio_: ask in #ubuntu-motu, maybe they would prefer to keep it in, it doesn't do any harm after all but it seems really messy to me02:55
Tonio_Riddell: okay02:56
RiddellTonio_: ah, kwin-style-blended is fixed now, lovely :)02:56
Riddellsee also k9copy02:56
Tonio_Riddell: I'm just doing it ;)02:58
Tonio_Riddell: I feel so sad not beeing able to package ktechlab......02:58
RiddellTonio_: what's up with it?02:59
jjesseRiddell: are kubuntu-docs not included in dapper yet?02:59
Tonio_there is a crappy dependancy, in both sid and dapper, reported via a malone bug....02:59
Riddelljjesse: certainly are02:59
\shbuilding pykde302:59
Tonio_[12:51]  <Tonio_> The following packages have unmet dependencies: 03:00
Tonio_[12:51]  <Tonio_>   gpsim-dev: Depends: gpsim (= 0.20.14-7.2) but it is not going to be installed 03:00
Tonio_[12:51]  <Tonio_> E: Broken packages 03:00
\shTonio_: which bug?03:00
Tonio_malone bug #5777 talks about that03:00
jjesseWhen I click on release notes in konq I get "there is no documentation available for /khelpcenter/kubuntu/kreleasenotes/C/index.html03:00
jjessefrom the "main" screen in konq03:00
\shTonio_: and broken in sid, too?03:02
Tonio_\sh: yep, I tried in a chroot, same problem03:02
\shTonio_: but it's build as http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gpsim/0.20.14-7.2/ shows...so something else is wrong03:03
Tonio_\sh: yes the package is refered to exist03:04
Tonio_\sh: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/electronics/gpsim03:07
Tonio_\sh: you can see it is there, even browse the dep content, everything seems to be fine, but impossible to install....03:07
Tonio_\sh I also tried to pbuild it from source, there was an error....03:08
\shTonio_: try apt-get -s install gpsim and you see the problem03:08
Tonio_\sh: the only explanation I have it that the debian source package has been modified without version increment.........03:08
Tonio_\sh: ok03:08
\shlibgtkextras16 is not available03:09
Tonio_\sh: yes.......... but it should have been, because the package has been build a few weeks ago apparently.....;;03:10
\shTonio_: but it's not available :) can be that it was removed in the meantime03:10
Tonio_\sh: true.... what's the best thing to do according to you ? that's a SID problem apparently........03:11
\shTonio_: try to rebuild the package without this dependency..if it's not working poke seb128 or dholbach our gtk/gnome experts :)03:11
Tonio_it works without that dep..... but that's a big feature missing.........03:11
\shor find a way to replace this build-dep03:11
\shor try libgtkextra17 :)03:12
\shwhich is available :)03:12
Tonio_so repackaging gpsim, then get it revued, then packaging ktechlab........; ok ;)03:13
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Riddellhello perofal 03:15
perofalhello03:15
perofal:)03:15
perofalwhats up?03:15
\shTonio_: forget it..I'll try to replace the dependency with the new one..it's a bug fix and can be uploaded directly if it works03:16
\shTonio_: or try to do it, and send me a debdiff for gpsim to sh@sourcecode.de03:16
\shI03:16
\shI'm fixing up pykde new snapshot now and finally ran into problems03:16
perofalRidell : perofal = poimen03:16
jjesseRiddell: did you see my note about documentation?03:21
Riddelljjesse: yes, busy.. team meeting03:21
jjesseRiddell: sorry forgot03:21
sebasGasfornuins vond ik het leukste.03:22
sebasAansluiten, duimen dat de boel niet ontploft :)03:22
sebasOuch, wrong channel.03:22
Tonio_Riddell: there was a problem while uploading kwin-style-blended.......03:24
Tonio_files where not overwritten in revu........ I'm reuploading03:25
perofalRidell : I have a launch pad acount, now I just need to kwon what documentation is needed to be translated or updated  I can help with that   but I need how to do it03:31
Tonio_Riddell: FYI, kwin-style-blended is now fine on revu ;)03:32
\shgnarf03:48
\shthink upstream forgot an #include <X11/X.h> in some of their files...03:49
\shgrmpf...it was documented before03:49
\shfinally it's building03:53
jjesseperofal: are you looking to help out w/ kubuntu documetnation?04:00
\shoh well...04:06
\shkde 3.15.1 will be the next official stable release when kde 3.5.1 is out....04:06
\shah well pykde 3.15.104:08
\shi mean04:08
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sebasRiddell: Did anything come out of your kpowersave inquiry?04:24
\shsebas: hey...I just finished to build the new pykde version...give me a hint what should I test with kde-guidance?04:30
\shI should try to build kde-guidance and pykdeextensions04:31
sebas\sh: Just start one of the modules directly from python should reveal problems.04:31
sebasIf something breaks, it's quite likely that the breakage is fatal.04:32
\shsebas: how do I do that..I'm not working with the python shell normally :)04:32
sebasDo you have a pykde package handy?04:32
sebasIf could check here.04:32
\shsebas: I can upload ... just a sec04:32
\shsebas: latest dapper?04:33
sebasThat's for dapper?04:33
\shsebas: yepp04:33
sebasI'm running breezy on this machine though, but might still work.04:33
\shsebas: kde 3.5 packages for breezy from riddell?04:33
sebasyeah.04:33
\shshould work04:33
sebasFine.04:33
\shlet me quickly upload this stuff04:35
\shsebas: http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/index.php?path=pykde04:38
sebas:*04:41
perofaljjesse : yes04:41
perofaljjesse : kubuntu - ubuntu documentation as well04:42
jjesseperofal: awesome we need help on kubuntu documentation, have you looked at the docteam wiki pages?04:42
perofalnope04:42
jjessewiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted i think is the best spot to look, also wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects shows a list of things we are working on04:43
\shsebas: is the download working?04:43
perofaljjesse thankx04:43
sebas\sh: The download is, but the packages don't install due to dependency problems.04:44
jjesseperofal: no problem, feel free to hit me w/ question or join #ubuntu-dc04:44
jjesse#ubuntu-doc sorry bout that04:44
sebasGive me a couple of yours, I'll try at home where I have a dapper chroot04:44
\shsebas: argl04:45
\shsebas: give me a short clue about "starting the module from python shell" :))04:45
sebaslocate serviceconfig.py04:45
sebasAnd then sudo python serviceconfig.py04:46
sebasSame with mountconfig.py, userconfig.py04:46
sebasAnd maybe displayconfig.py, but that one may be broken.04:46
\shstarting04:46
perofaljjesse ok04:46
\shsebas: Couldn't load file: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/var/tmp/guidance-packagedescriptioncache'04:47
Riddellsebas: no replies yet04:47
sebasRiddell: Ok.04:47
Riddellsebas: do you have an opinion?04:47
sebas\sh: cd into that directory?04:47
\shsebas: trying to fetch the descriptions :)04:47
sebasRiddell: It looks nice (and I have a vague idea how ugly klaptopdaemon is)04:47
sebas\sh: ok04:47
\shsebas: it's there04:47
\shworks04:47
Tonio_\sh: didn't you uploaded "prozilla" ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=117204:47
Tonio_\sh: can't find it in the archives04:48
sebasSo it works, without backtraces?04:48
\shwithout backtraces...04:48
\shlast message 04:49
\shDouble QObject deletion detected.04:49
\sh*** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x0843e4d8 ***04:49
\shAlarm clock04:49
\shdisplayconfig is backtracing04:50
\sh File "displayconfig.py", line 1134, in __init__04:50
\sh    self.current_screen = self.xsetup.getUsedScreens()[0] 04:50
\shIndexError: list index out of range04:50
\shlast 3 lines04:50
\shuserconfig mountconfig all working04:50
sebasOk, displayconfig is "under construction", although Sime might be interested in that.04:51
\shsebas: which bts?04:52
sebasThose message indicates that hardware detection is buggy (and that depends a lot on drivers and graphics hardware)04:52
sebasTo: simon@simonzone.com, Cc: sebas@kde.org :-)04:52
\shsebas: one minute :)04:52
\shsebas: send04:54
sebas\sh: THanks,04:55
\shsebas: ok :) so we can agree, that this version is not breaking kde guidance :)04:56
sebasSime will probably get back to you requesting xorg.conf, some more logs, and the content of /mnt/pr0n04:56
sebas\sh: I agree until further notice :-)04:56
\shsebas: cool..:) so I can update our releng :)04:56
sebas"releng" is what?04:56
\shsebas: sime is welcome to get my collection of all naked linux chicks :)04:57
sebasOr: WTF RELEGNN!!!!!!!!?????????????1111111111 ;-)04:57
\shsebas: you too :)04:57
\shrelease engineers :) or release managers :) 04:57
sebassudo apt-get install \sh-chicks04:57
sebasAye !04:57
sebasUnrelated: What is linux-server.org ?04:58
sebasDoes that relate to some IRC channel on euirc?04:58
\shsebas: no..it's my domain only :) running jabberservices :) jabber servers are: jabberme.{org,net,de},sourcecode.de,kde-coder.de,linux-server.org :)04:59
sebasOk :)04:59
\shfeel free to use it :) when you are in need of a free jabber account :)05:00
sebasSure :)05:00
\shand sebas@kde-coder.de sounds nice :)05:00
sebasI already got my weekly additional emailaddress though :P05:01
\shsebas: it's a jabber id :) not email :)05:01
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Riddelltvo: could you do me a debdiff for the katapult package in dapper for that 28923 beastie?05:29
tvoRiddell: sure, but not now. tomorrow is ok though05:30
Riddellgroovy05:30
Riddellallee: we have our UVF exception for digikam, shall I upload?05:30
\shRiddell: pykde is approved for upload...05:31
Riddell\sh: great05:31
sebas\sh: Didn't use jabber until now, and not really planning :)05:32
sebasI rarely login to my other IM thingies.05:33
Riddell\sh: kde-hal-device-manager is another package which uses pykde05:33
\shRiddell: damn...I forgot that...but is it in main?05:33
Riddell\sh: no05:33
\shah ok...but I'll test it just now :) when pykde finally build on this amd6405:34
nlindbladgood afternoon05:34
Riddellhi nlindblad 05:34
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Riddellwhere was the trip to?05:35
RiddellTonio_: I'll upload kwin-style-blended but it might be nice to include the associated colour theme in the p05:37
Riddellthe package05:37
Tonio_right05:37
Tonio_Riddell: can you wait a bit ?05:38
RiddellTonio_: sure :)05:38
Tonio_I may have time to do that toonight05:38
Tonio_Riddell: I didn't thought about hat, but that'sa nice idea05:38
tvohmm, why is initscripts not in malone?05:41
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tvoor rather, in which package is /etc/init.d/mountall.sh if it's not initscripts? (which is what dpkg says)05:41
\shtvo: it is..sourcepackage is sysvinit05:42
tvo\sh: ah ok, thanks05:42
\shtvo: and your second question: apt-file search is your friend :)05:42
\shtvo: but it's in sysvinit (aka binary package initscripts )05:42
tvo\sh: ah ok thanks, I was used to dpkg -S for checking which package, but that does something slightly different apparently...05:43
\shtvo: well...i'm using apt-file .. I don't use so much dpkg (only for installing testpackages I build :))05:45
tvohmm, apt-file returns initscripts too...05:55
tvooff to dinner now, bye05:56
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\shRiddell: can we set by default line break at 76 chars for kmail? 06:06
Riddell\sh: rationale?06:06
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\shRiddell: as lucas told me now06:07
\sh <lucas> rfc1855:06:07
\sh[18:05]  <lucas> (netiquette)06:07
\sh[18:05]  <lucas>     - Limit line length to fewer than 65 characters and end a line06:07
\sh[18:05]  <lucas>       with a carriage return.06:07
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Riddell\sh: 65 seems very short and 76 != 6506:09
\shRiddell: yes..> <quoted line> == 80 with 78 chars lb, and 76 > > <quoted line> with 76 chars...but actually I don't care...it was just a question :) 06:10
alleeRiddell: yes, please upload.  Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks a lot!06:18
\shallee: congrats for digikam :)06:18
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allee\sh :)06:19
Riddellteprrr: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kboggle.text06:25
Riddellteprrr: nothing major, looks nice06:25
Riddellteprrr: please get an account on revu, ask sirtat on #ubuntu-motu06:25
Riddellsiretart06:25
\shteprrr: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU06:27
\shteprrr: send a signed mail to keyring@tiber.tauware.de with your keyid and we will include your key in the REVU keyring06:27
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\shRiddell: how can we use the cdbs patches of kubuntu for kde .pot files in debhelper maintained packages? :)07:35
allee\sh: Are you sure you need them?07:38
\shallee: well, it would be a cool thing to have all universe kde apps as well on rosetta07:38
\shproblem is, that some sources are so old, that I can't patch admin dir with Riddell patch 07:39
\shand replacing the old admin dir, with a more recent one is sometimes more terrible07:39
allee\sh for digikam right thing was figured your without the patch.  So at least all (recent?) kde3.5/admin tarballs should work out of the box with rosettafication07:40
\shallee: sure..but what about old <3.5 admin dirs?07:40
\sh3.4 I can patch, but older then that is a problem07:41
allee\sh: copy the one funtion used from new admin/cvs.sh and run it?07:43
allee+ as a script included in debian/07:43
\shallee: I'll have a look :)07:43
\shtomorrow or so...07:43
allee;)07:43
allee\sh: bit of topic, you know what ??? is:  sudo mount -t ??? -o loop /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` /mnt07:46
alleenot cramfs, not initramfs07:46
\shsqashfs eventually?07:46
alleewrong type :(07:47
\shoh moment...07:51
\shhehe07:52
\shgunzip it first :007:52
\shfile initrd.img-* and it tells you "gzipped"07:52
alleeyeah. saw this but did not take the consequences07:52
\sh*g*07:53
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Riddell\sh: you have to add the extract-messages command to the rules file manually08:11
\shRiddell: i'll have a look tomorrow...right now I'm still waiting for pykde *grrr*08:14
Riddell\sh: on your amd64?08:14
Riddellshouldn't that be super fast?08:14
\shRiddell: yes...I just believed upstream..who said, concatenating source files is 80% faster then single cpp files...and it's truly a lie08:15
\shI compiled it today in i386 without this new feature and I was done in one hour..now it's compiling since two hours...on the same machine, but now in 64bit mode...08:16
Riddellthat concatenating source files thing is so evil08:16
\shyes..I set the -i switch after finishing this build08:18
\shso it doesn't do it anymore08:18
\shand then I upload it..so the buildds have some snacks to nibble08:22
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\shbah...08:31
\shkswapd0 eats 70% of my cpu..no wonder08:31
\sha load of  load average: 3.93, 3.43, 3.3008:32
\shMem:    512336k total,   506280k used,     6056k free,     2480k buffers08:32
\shSwap:  2088408k total,   757240k used,  1331168k free,     6612k cached08:32
\shthats pykde08:32
\shno x nothing is running on this machine..only pbuilding pykde....funny08:32
hunger_Is kontact broken(ish) at the moment?08:42
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\shI think i'm over 40 GiB this month..08:51
\shbut this month I had the time to watch movies from the early morning to the late night08:52
\shanyways..pykde uploaded...08:53
\shok...fixing some other packages and going to bed...09:02
nlindblad\sh_away: I'm not talking traffic in that sense09:05
nlindblad10GiB of seeding the ISOs for Kubuntu09:06
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Riddellhunger: kontact works for me, what's the problem?09:34
alleerevu upload of codeine this morning: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1544.  Should be ready, feel free to check09:36
alleehave to go.  bye09:36
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teprrrRiddell, ah. okay. but um, how should I handle the source depends? need to check them manually then?09:48
teprrrRiddell, watch was just for testing, yes. and will remove those files. anything else to remove? debhelper version came from cdbs, I think, so that's the problem there indeed09:49
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Tm_Thumm, these packages can securely be removed? x-common xorg-common xserver-common10:13
Tm_TI think yes10:14
Riddellteprrr: yeah, do them by hand10:16
Tonio_re10:17
teprrrRiddell, with pbuilder or..?10:17
Riddellteprrr: use pbuilder as a final check yes10:18
Tonio_dapper update isn't that fine actually... I explosed my laptop trying to migrate ;)10:18
Riddellbut cdbs doesn't do anything intelligent, it just adds cdbs and debhelper10:18
Riddelland for some unknown reason build-essential10:18
teprrrah, okay10:21
raphinknight guys :)10:43
Tonio_Riddell: kwin-style-blended with included color sheme is uploaded10:45
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