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| theine | Burgwork, so what's best to do? file another one in that category it actually belongs to? | 12:02 |
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| Kamion | no | 12:03 |
| theine | ok... | 12:03 |
| Kamion | just leave it now, infinity's already changed it | 12:03 |
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| theine | Kamion, sure, I will, I was more asking in general... | 12:03 |
| floam | is there any way to turn off this new logout dialog? I figured it was a prototype or something | 12:04 |
| sivang | dooglus: so swapping the lines fixed that modifications? (I assume so, since upstream accepted the patch) | 12:04 |
| floam | but it appears that it's supposed to stay like that since it's being touted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3 | 12:04 |
| Kamion | theine: either click on the package name under "Fix Requested In", which is (unintuitively) a link to a status editing scren | 12:04 |
| ogra | floam, its still work in progress | 12:04 |
| Kamion | screen | 12:05 |
| floam | ogra: oh | 12:05 |
| theine | Kamion, ah, ok, thanks | 12:05 |
| dooglus | sivang: it was freeing a node from a linked list, and then using the node to free the data that the node pointed to. you should use something after freeing it. | 12:05 |
| floam | ogra: is there a discussion or more information about it somewhere? | 12:05 |
| Kamion | theine: or use one of the "Request fix" links to create a new bug task rather than change the existing one (this is if the bug is really in more than one place and multiple things need to be fixed) | 12:05 |
| ogra | floam, on the ubuntu-desktop ML | 12:05 |
| dooglus | sivang: usually you can get away with it, since 'free' won't destroy the contents of the memory, it will just mark it as free for future use; but in this case the call to free actually overwrote the memory immediately, causing the crash | 12:06 |
| dooglus | s/should/shouldn't/ , of course | 12:07 |
| sivang | dooglus: that's why you better make sure you're dynamic list allocation is done by order :) | 12:07 |
| sivang | dooglus: s/allocation/deallocation/ | 12:07 |
| sivang | dooglus: thanks for this info, and thanks for the patch as well. | 12:08 |
| dooglus | sivang: no problem. I don't like seeing bugs in ubuntu either :) | 12:09 |
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| floam | ogra: ah | 12:09 |
| floam | if they just want to have a window full of buttons that do different actions I wonder why they don't just get rid of the log out button in the menus | 12:09 |
| sivang | dooglus: :) | 12:09 |
| Riddell | daniels: am I correct in thinking the fontconfig version won't be upgraded between now and dapper? | 12:09 |
| floam | and instead just make it a submenu with all of those options in it. | 12:09 |
| sivang | dooglus: in this case, you also fixed it upstream, and debian and ubuntu :) | 12:10 |
| daniels | Riddell: i'm not responsible for fontconfig, but probably | 12:10 |
| daniels | Riddell: why? | 12:10 |
| Riddell | daniels: there's a qt speedup patch which requires a version of fontconfig from recent CVS | 12:12 |
| daniels | Riddell: do you know what specifically it requires? | 12:12 |
| daniels | and do you have a link to the patch? | 12:12 |
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| infinity | Build-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.7.0) | 12:13 |
| Riddell | daniels: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/qt/3.3/qt-copy/patches/0066-fcsort2fcmatch.patch?rev=493585&view=auto | 12:14 |
| infinity | dpkg (1.7.0) unstable; urgency=low | 12:14 |
| infinity | [...] -- Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@debian.org> Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:28:39 +0100 | 12:14 |
| elmo | btw, whoever was asking about bittornado before, we absolutely need the tracker from tornado | 12:15 |
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| infinity | elmo: Check. | 12:15 |
| infinity | elmo: The bittorrent tracker is teh suck? | 12:15 |
| daniels | infinity: i assume that's in xorg? | 12:16 |
| infinity | daniels: Yeah. :) | 12:16 |
| daniels | infinity: if so, detrius from the original. don't blame me. | 12:16 |
| infinity | Cruft from xfree86, carried over? | 12:16 |
| daniels | yeah | 12:16 |
| elmo | infinity: from when I tried it yes, and I haven't any particular inclination to try again as everyone I know who runs a debian style torrent server uses tornado | 12:16 |
| daniels | Riddell: uhm, so why not just apply the fccfg.c.patch? | 12:16 |
| infinity | Cause you never know when someone might build it with a 6 year old dpkg. | 12:16 |
| infinity | elmo: Fair 'nuff. | 12:17 |
| elmo | infinity: 6 years in Debian time is like, a realease and a bit :-P | 12:17 |
| daniels | infinity: now you're thinking like a Debian X packager | 12:17 |
| infinity | daniels: You take that back. | 12:17 |
| ogra | mjg59, the g-p-m situation looks quite bad ... i cant get 0.3.4 running more than 0.5sec no matter what i do here | 12:18 |
| elmo | speaking of Debian X packagers, where did gravity go | 12:18 |
| daniels | elmo: what do you mean, where did he go | 12:18 |
| elmo | apparently the << Conflicts considered harmful message didn't reach them yet | 12:18 |
| elmo | daniels: he's not been on IRC the last couple of times I checked, but I haven't looked very hard | 12:19 |
| elmo | also his typo took out the entire debian buildd network today | 12:19 |
| elmo | IT WAS FUN | 12:19 |
| daniels | he's not on IRC overly much; he can't IRC from work | 12:19 |
| daniels | haha, awesome | 12:19 |
| daniels | HE"S FAIRLY RESPONSIVE TO MAIL | 12:19 |
| elmo | mail is so 6 years ago | 12:19 |
| daniels | jdub: dude, this keyboard has a sticky shift key | 12:19 |
| sivang | how can one type take out the entire buildd network ? | 12:20 |
| sivang | elmo: lol | 12:20 |
| jdub | daniels: i told you that you'd go blind if you kept doing that. now your keyboard is sticky too. | 12:20 |
| elmo | because the buildd network has single points of failure | 12:20 |
| elmo | like, say, apt | 12:20 |
| sivang | s/type/typo/ | 12:20 |
| infinity | sivang: By having syntax in your control file that dpkg-dev lets through, but apt-get COMPLETELY FLIPS OUT ON. | 12:20 |
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| infinity | (Of course, this is really a dpkg-dev bug for letting it slip through, and an apt bug for flipping out so badly, but it's more fun to blame gravity's thinko..) | 12:21 |
| lucas | elmo: I saw him yesterday or the day before on IRC | 12:21 |
| sivang | infinity: nice to know this can be done with small type, and not with a carefully crafted something :) | 12:21 |
| sivang | elmo: have you switched timezones or something? or are always awake that time? | 12:21 |
| elmo | sivang: I don't work in a UK timezone | 12:21 |
| Riddell | daniels: that's what I' | 12:22 |
| Riddell | daniels: that's what I'll be trying next | 12:22 |
| sivang | elmo: ah , I see. like jblack | 12:22 |
| mvo | infinity: what was it that made apt explode? (not that I would care :P) | 12:22 |
| daniels | sivang: elmo comes awake at night to feast on the souls of the undead and/or tinned tuna | 12:23 |
| sivang | elmo: that explains why you are so quite during EU daylight zone :) | 12:23 |
| sivang | daniels: hey, I'm alone at the office, trying to make this final QA cycel in which I don't find any more bugs to fix, that's too scary for me atm. /me shivers | 12:23 |
| ogra | sivang, whats daylight ? | 12:23 |
| infinity | daniels: That one looks much better. | 12:24 |
| daniels | infinity: bangin' | 12:24 |
| infinity | daniels: Shall I sign and upload it for you? | 12:24 |
| sivang | ogra: hehe | 12:24 |
| daniels | infinity: i'm one step ahead | 12:24 |
| daniels | infinity: but thansk :) | 12:24 |
| daniels | also, thanks | 12:24 |
| infinity | mvo: Two Provides fields, one of which was versioned. | 12:24 |
| sivang | the hummings of the Dual Xeons and pSeries servers here seem like they will come up and steal my sole.. | 12:24 |
| elmo | mvo: speaking of which, we really should fix that | 12:24 |
| infinity | mvo: It may have just been the versioned provides alone that killed it. The error message seemed to indicate it was flipping out on the version. | 12:25 |
| elmo | if we ever want to be able to do versioned provides | 12:25 |
| sivang | ogra: do you also work different timezones? | 12:25 |
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| elmo | mvo: (for versions of we meaning you of course ;) | 12:25 |
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| daniels | infinity: versioned provides? awesome | 12:25 |
| mvo | infinity, elmo: where can I download the package to reproduce the problem? | 12:26 |
| elmo | mvo: spohr.d.o/~james/ | 12:27 |
| mjg59 | ogra: I'd suggest talking to upstream | 12:28 |
| infinity | daniels: It was meant to be a Replaces, he thinkoed it. | 12:28 |
| infinity | (Hence why there were two Provides fields, one was correct, one was the Replaces-that-wasn't) | 12:28 |
| ogra | mjg59, will do, but we'll most likely miss UVF through that | 12:28 |
| ogra | mdz, can i ask for a gnome-power-mmanager UVF exception in advance for version 0.3.4 ? | 12:30 |
| daniels | elmo: itym /~troup/ | 12:31 |
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| elmo | daniels: indeed | 12:31 |
| mdz | ogra: when will you upload it? | 12:34 |
| ogra | mdz, since i'm in this strange conference from tomorrow on, not before sunday night | 12:35 |
| mdz | it looks OK, but it can't have an indefinite extension | 12:35 |
| mdz | ogra: monday is fine | 12:35 |
| ogra | ok | 12:35 |
| ogra | then i can care for my other stuff, thanks | 12:35 |
| mvo | elmo: thanks, I have all I need now to reproduce the problem | 12:38 |
| elmo | ah, crap UVF | 12:39 |
| infinity | That's not the first time that's been said today. | 12:39 |
| infinity | And I'm sure it won't be the last. :) | 12:39 |
| dholbach | good night everybody. | 12:41 |
| sivang | night dholbach | 12:41 |
| slomo_ | elmo: please sync tomboy, libgdiplus, fatsort, libogg, pygame, taglib, njb-sharp, cowbell from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped... and banshee, ipod-sharp, libipoddevice from debian/unstable but seems like they're currently somewhere between incoming and pool ;) | 12:41 |
| dholbach | bye sivang | 12:41 |
| ajmitch | slomo_: hopefully they'll get in sometime before UVF :) | 12:43 |
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| dilinger | has keybuk been around? | 12:44 |
| slomo_ | ajmitch: yes... well, we'll see :) | 12:45 |
| slomo_ | ajmitch: oh... they're in the pool now ;) problem solved... | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | are they? good | 12:46 |
| mvo | dilinger: he dosn't feel very well currently | 12:46 |
| dilinger | mvo: ok, thanks | 12:47 |
| dilinger | i just wanted to make sure i'm not somehow missing him (ie, new nick or something) | 12:47 |
| dilinger | yay | 12:50 |
| dilinger | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.parted.bugs/7325 | 12:50 |
| dilinger | i thought they were just going to ignore that | 12:50 |
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| sivang | night mvo | 12:51 |
| mvo | night sivang | 12:52 |
| infinity | Meh, that same obscure ldd/fakeroot segv on firefox/amd64... | 12:53 |
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| infinity | I was kinda hoping it would magically go away. | 12:53 |
| jcole | fyi, i talked about a floppy install for ubuntu, here's an example for creating a small iso :) - http://www.instalinux.com/cgi-bin/coe_bootimage.cgi | 12:53 |
| jcole | no prompts btw when using that method | 12:58 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync scapy from unstable, ubuntu override ok. thx. | 01:47 |
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| robertj | is that from upstream? | 02:03 |
| tseng | yes. | 02:03 |
| seb128 | and that's really likely to change before dapper | 02:04 |
| seb128 | some other shape/theme/etc | 02:04 |
| robertj | I think less is more really is right on here | 02:05 |
| ogra | hmpf | 02:06 |
| ogra | after a suspend to ram my touchpad stops working :/ | 02:06 |
| Lathiat | ogra: sucky | 02:07 |
| ogra | Lathiat, yup | 02:07 |
| ogra | sound is also muted | 02:07 |
| seb128 | anyway time to sleep here, later | 02:08 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: may I ask you to sync childsplay from unstable (went into archives few hours ago) which doesn't have any ubuntu changes? Thx. | 05:38 |
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| minghua | elmo: can I ask (an MOTU to ask) for a sync from Debian incoming? | 05:39 |
| minghua | elmo: I am the Debian maintainer of a universe package and a new version just got uploaded | 05:39 |
| sistpoty | elmo: you can take my motu ok for minghua... if it breaks I'll make him fix it ;) | 05:40 |
| minghua | thanks sistpoty :-) | 05:42 |
| sistpoty | np minghua | 05:42 |
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| sistpoty | good night everyone | 05:58 |
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| daniels | on my reasonably-new, extrodinarily expensive radeon x850 xt pe, glxgears with dri gives me a stonking 13 fps | 06:01 |
| daniels | take that, glxgears as a benchmark | 06:02 |
| Tm_T | daniels: and drivers support that card already? | 06:04 |
| Tm_T | I think no | 06:04 |
| Tm_T | might be the reason ;) | 06:04 |
| daniels | Tm_T: this is with dri | 06:05 |
| daniels | (i'd know if it wasn't) | 06:06 |
| daniels | and my system can do a little more than 13fps in software rendering | 06:06 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 06:06 |
| daniels | in fact, I'd go so far as to say, orders of magnitude more | 06:06 |
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| Tm_T | so then you have my lucky number as fps, congrats ;--P | 06:07 |
| SEJeff | So why did the new logout dialog get nixed for the ugly one in the new gnome panel? Is this an upstream decision? | 06:08 |
| SEJeff | I'm just curious | 06:08 |
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| daniels | ah, 2985, that's more like it | 06:32 |
| daniels | (he says, shamelessly benchmarking with glxgears) | 06:32 |
| infinity | I'm telling Daniel that you do that!! | 06:36 |
| daniels | infinity: so which order do you do symlink<->dir transitions in? | 06:39 |
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| Tm_T | daniels: what you did? | 06:41 |
| daniels | Tm_T: disabled drm debugging | 06:42 |
| Tm_T | :) | 06:42 |
| infinity | daniels: Ship the directory in the package, delete the link in preinst. | 06:42 |
| daniels | infinity: and for dir -> symlink? | 06:43 |
| infinity | daniels: (since in the old package, the "link" couldn't have contained files, it can't possibly try to remove any) | 06:43 |
| infinity | daniels: And for dir -> symlink, ship link in package, do dir->link swap in POSTinst. | 06:43 |
| daniels | okay, cool. ta. | 06:43 |
| infinity | (To avoid having the link replace the dir, then dpkg follow the link to remove old files) | 06:43 |
| infinity | Why it unpacks, then removes old files, I'll never know. | 06:43 |
| infinity | But whatever. :) | 06:44 |
| infinity | It's documented in policy, it just takes some real world banging of heads against walls before you really believe that what policy says is true. ;) | 06:44 |
| infinity | (I may have permanent scarring) | 06:44 |
| daniels | i remember getting it the wrong way around, so then I inverted it, then I got told *that* was the wrong way around, and ... | 06:44 |
| infinity | Heh. | 06:45 |
| infinity | Well, the only "right" way is the one that works. | 06:45 |
| infinity | Which is different depending on your starting point. | 06:45 |
| infinity | The worst is if you have a directory with stuff in it that you want to convert into a symlink... With that same stuff in it (ie: locally installed crap) | 06:46 |
| infinity | Most dir->link stuff if in /usr/share/doc, so an rm -rf sets you on your way. | 06:46 |
| infinity | For the moving bit, you may want to consider actually moving dir/* to a temporary directory, creating the link, then moving it back (still in the postinst, though) | 06:47 |
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| daniels | yeah | 06:47 |
| infinity | With appropriate rollback support, should the postinst abort. :/ | 06:47 |
| daniels | that part can be SEP. ;) | 06:47 |
| infinity | <nod> | 06:47 |
| infinity | I just cheated in that one upload of xmumble that I did, by just yelling at the user if they had crap there. ;) | 06:48 |
| daniels | x-common, which is getting merged into x11-common | 06:48 |
| infinity | Some days, I'm of the opinion that "if you didn't install it to /usr/local or /opt, you deserve to have it removed by dpkg anyway", but then I remember that I'm not actually that mean. | 06:48 |
| daniels | learn 'em good and proper. | 06:49 |
| daniels | 'user data? not any more!' | 06:49 |
| daniels | if you install crap into /usr/include/X11 or /usr/lib/X11, you deserve exactly what you get | 06:49 |
| daniels | imo | 06:50 |
| infinity | Hrm. thunderbird builds on exactly one arch.. The one I tested on. | 06:50 |
| infinity | How inconvenient. | 06:50 |
| infinity | daniels: Yeah, I wouldn't have any problems with you claiming total ownership of those directories and just assuming what's there can go away. | 06:50 |
| infinity | daniels: Of course, in the Debian case, you'll run into some user that has been hand-compiling some ancient imake-using crap for the last 10 years, and has been installing his own headers to X's directories, and he'll cry. | 06:51 |
| infinity | And gravity can cross that bridge when you push him over it. :) | 06:51 |
| daniels | haha. indeed. | 06:52 |
| infinity | I can't see any Ubuntu user even knowing or caring what X's include and library directories are for. | 06:52 |
| Burgundavia | infinity, and if they do, they should know what to do | 06:52 |
| Tm_T | yo/ | 06:52 |
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| Tm_T | whops | 06:52 |
| daniels | infinity: the problem with /usr/lib/X11 is that it's sort of /usr/lib/X11, /etc/X11, /usr/share/X11, and /usr/bin/X11 rolled into one | 06:53 |
| daniels | (or was, traditionally, before Debian mangled it, and the modular hilarity refused to countenance the same kind of stupidity.) | 06:53 |
| infinity | daniels: Yeah. As is common with ancient UNIX stuff. | 06:53 |
| infinity | daniels: Heck, we still ship /etc/rmt ... \o/ | 06:54 |
| infinity | Go hysterical raisins. | 06:54 |
| daniels | isn't that tape backup shiz? | 06:54 |
| infinity | <nod> | 06:54 |
| Tm_T | two things I'm waiting in *NIX world: X replacement and working sound system | 06:54 |
| daniels | woooooo | 06:54 |
| daniels | Tm_T: oh, X is fundamentally broken | 06:54 |
| Tm_T | aye | 06:54 |
| daniels | Tm_T: it's just that any other system is worse, if only by virtue of not being X | 06:55 |
| daniels | the thing is, X's fundamental breakage isn't what you think it is, doesn't really matter that much these days, and is worked around by extensions anyway. :) | 06:55 |
| Tm_T | daniels: aye, replacement was bad word, but I'm not good with vocabulary | 06:55 |
| Tm_T | but I've been fighting with sound problem now whole night... errh | 06:56 |
| daniels | it could certainly be more optimal, but it's generally fine | 06:56 |
| Tm_T | aye | 06:56 |
| Tm_T | generally fine it is | 06:56 |
| Tm_T | I really need justworks(tm) software mixing | 06:57 |
| Tm_T | though that would save only half in my problem, but it would be good improvenment anyway :) | 06:57 |
| Tm_T | oh well, breakfast ;) -> | 06:58 |
| infinity | Hrm, is gnome-volume-manager crashing when I login a shiny new feature? | 07:00 |
| trs81 | infinity: yeah, I've noticed that too | 07:02 |
| trs81 | I was going to report it, but launchpad doesn't know about the latest version | 07:02 |
| Burgundavia | infinity, evil plot by Riddell to make us all switch to Kubuntu | 07:02 |
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| jblack | doko: Still around? | 07:13 |
| jblack | Looks like dapper might have a bit of a serious problem. Postfix bombed out here. | 07:14 |
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| jblack | I'm still working out how to chase it, but it looks like postfix is dependant upon a missing /usr/sbin/postfix-script. | 07:15 |
| lamont | jblack: that's two reports.... hrm.. | 07:18 |
| === lamont investigates | ||
| jblack | I tried symlinking /etc/postfix/postfix-script to /usr/sbin/postfix-script. | 07:18 |
| jblack | That gets rid of the postfix -v check error, but then postfix still bombs out for some unknown reason. | 07:18 |
| lamont | what's the error exactly? | 07:18 |
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| jblack | When I ran postfix check -v: | 07:19 |
| jblack | /etc/postfix/postfix-script: line 211: /usr/sbin/postfix-script: No such file or directory | 07:19 |
| lamont | and when that's commented out>? | 07:20 |
| lamont | er, fixed | 07:20 |
| infinity | Line 211 of /etc/postfix/postfix-script. | 07:20 |
| infinity | $command_directory/postfix-script quick-check | 07:20 |
| infinity | Oh, you got there already. | 07:20 |
| lamont | infinity: yeah - found that. that's bug #1. | 07:20 |
| === infinity shuts up. | ||
| jblack | postfix check no longer errors | 07:21 |
| lamont | and all is well? | 07:21 |
| jblack | Nope. :( | 07:21 |
| jblack | /etc/init.d/postfix starts, but the daemon doesn't run. | 07:21 |
| jblack | Nor do I see anything running in init.d | 07:21 |
| jblack | /var/log/mail.(log|warn) are both 0 length. | 07:22 |
| jblack | postfix -v start reports a bunch of dict_evals, and returns back to the shell with no apparent error. | 07:23 |
| lamont | sh -x /etc/init.d/postfix start says? | 07:23 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: please merge your seeds, you still have python-musicbrainz in there. kthxbye. | 07:24 |
| jblack | a lot of stuff... usplash_write 'SUCCESS ok' | 07:24 |
| jblack | a fir printfs, a tput, echo '[ ok ] '.. return 0, exit 0. | 07:24 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ^^ same goes for you. | 07:24 |
| lamont | jblack: my issue is that I can't actually reproduce this bug... | 07:24 |
| jblack | You want to play here? | 07:24 |
| lamont | if that works for you... | 07:25 |
| infinity | lamont: What's the correct fix to /etc/pf/pf-script? Just point it at itself on line 211? | 07:25 |
| jblack | Ok. Let me setup so that you can get in. | 07:25 |
| === infinity will try to reproduce this right now. | ||
| lamont | fwiw, there's a debian bug on this already... | 07:26 |
| infinity | postfix chroots by default? | 07:27 |
| lamont | yes | 07:27 |
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| jblack | lamont: mind pasting me a ssh key in msg? | 07:29 |
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| tepsipakki | lamont: I guess mount will not get nfs4-support before upstream? | 07:41 |
| lamont | tepsipakki: see debian experimental. please test | 07:41 |
| lamont | well, it'll hit there tomorrow's dinstall | 07:41 |
| tepsipakki | oh?? | 07:42 |
| tepsipakki | that's great | 07:42 |
| tepsipakki | where is it now?-) | 07:42 |
| lamont | right now, see incoming.debian.org/util-linux_2.12r-5.1nfs4* | 07:42 |
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| tepsipakki | wow | 07:42 |
| tepsipakki | will test it for sure | 07:42 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: why update-alternatives in prerm rather than postrm> because the docs says that's the usual style. | 07:43 |
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| lamont | infinity: line 211, change '$command' to '$config' - see if you can reproduce this on a dapper box/ | 07:48 |
| infinity | lamont: Yeah, I can reproduce. It pretends to start fine, but leaves no daemon running. | 07:48 |
| lamont | tail mail.log | 07:49 |
| lamont | er, /var/log/mail.log | 07:49 |
| infinity | Ah-ha. | 07:49 |
| infinity | Jan 19 17:29:06 localhost postfix/master[6772] : fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 83: no valid IP address found: smtp | 07:49 |
| lamont | yeah. | 07:49 |
| viviersf | :/ | 07:49 |
| lamont | which is, um, wrong., | 07:49 |
| Mithrandir | lamont: is there any reason why it doesn't try to see if smtp.foo exists before suggesting it? | 07:50 |
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| lamont | Mithrandir: with the line starting 'smtp' it's supposed to bind to INADDR_ANY | 07:50 |
| lamont | infinity: grab source, change the -O2 back to -O1 in debian/rules, and see if rebuilding fixes things | 07:50 |
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| infinity | lamont: You think this is an optimiser bug? | 07:51 |
| lamont | "think" might be a bit strong | 07:51 |
| === lamont needs to go to bed before he face-plants... | ||
| lamont | and I'll admit that it's almost grasping at straws, execpt that we used to just blindly do -O1, and there are new compilers between -3 and -5 | 07:52 |
| lamont | because, anyway you slice it, this is working on code that should be just fine, hasn't been touched, etc. | 07:53 |
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| viviersf | daniels, ping | 07:54 |
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| daniels | viviersf: sup sup | 07:57 |
| lamont | infinity: anyway, I'm going to go catch about 6 hours sleep, then fix the bug... any details you may have by then would be very welcome... Otherwise, no biggy. | 07:57 |
| viviersf | daniels, i have to go set up a acer c200 tablet today, and i was wondering if you didnt have any info / comments on the tablet on it ? | 07:58 |
| viviersf | i cant seem to find anything on the internet | 07:58 |
| daniels | viviersf: ... no | 07:58 |
| viviersf | problem being xorg + wacom :( | 07:59 |
| daniels | yeah, that's non-trivial to fix | 07:59 |
| Den | Hi - Do I need a new password for launchpad bugzilla that is different from bugzilla.ubuntu.com? I entered a bug on b.u.c about 3 weeks ago, & just noticed a msg about that moving to launchpad, & I can't log in there. Was moving bugzilla to launchpad done within about the last 3 weeks? | 08:00 |
| viviersf | lol seems im going in blindlu | 08:00 |
| viviersf | and hoping for the best | 08:00 |
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| minghua | Den: according to the announcement: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000051.html you need a new password for lanuchpad | 08:02 |
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| Den | minghua: Thx! | 08:06 |
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| daniels | gar. why does the meeting have to be at 1am. | 08:09 |
| Mithrandir | Den: I'm still working on getting you a live cd. Sorry for it taking forever, but the rest of the distro team seems busy trying to break stuff around me. ;-) | 08:13 |
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| Den | Mithrandir: Good morning :) Thanks. Keep up the good work! | 08:15 |
| Den | Mithrandir: are you a full time employee for ubuntu? | 08:16 |
| Den | Mithrandir Also, since you got a firewire cd, great that you can test that out yourself too, | 08:16 |
| Den | Mithrandir: And, the whole reason I got into needing this iso is cause of a bug with external hard disks getting offlined during a 10 GB file copy, so, do you have an external firewire or usb2 HD to test a 10GB file copy on? | 08:18 |
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| Mithrandir | Den: yes, I have a 80G USB2 drive. | 08:27 |
| Den | Mithrandir: did I tell you, & do you still have, the err # of the bug I submitted on external drive copyy fail? Have you been aware I submitted a bug on that? | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | Den: no, I'm not aware of any such bug, but I imagine it's a kernel issue, so BenC is the man to talk to. | 08:28 |
| Den | Mithrandir: Are you the person who would work on that? | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | no, BenC would probably. | 08:29 |
| Den | Mithrandir: Yes, BenC told me to get a new kernel to see if that fixes the bug, which is why I am wanting the iso for Dapper - to get the new kernel. | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | Den: ah, ok. I'll do my best today as well, then. :-) | 08:30 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: dude, 1.5.dfsg is a really, really broken version number. Could you please make mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb & friends be installable on i386? | 08:30 |
| Den | Mithrandir: Thanks. this bug is holding up my being able to use kubuntu for serious work. That's why I m eager to get the iso & see if the new kernel fixes this bug. | 08:31 |
| Mithrandir | Den: understandable. | 08:31 |
| Den | Mithrandir: any eta for when the bugs holding up the iso will be fixed, and the iso available? | 08:32 |
| daniels | whois den | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | Den: today might be a bit bumpy, since daniels is going to do a bit of X uploads, but I'm hoping for tomorrow | 08:34 |
| Den | Mithrandir: Thanks. Anything yoyu can do to get a woking iso asap is greatly appreciated! :) Please email me as soon as you think a working iso should be availble. :) | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | Den: yup, will do. | 08:36 |
| Den | Anyone - How do I get help w/ launchpad not logging me in? This channel? some other channel? I just created an account there, but it refuses to log me in. When I try to log in, it just drops me back at the main page, not logged in. What's up? any ideas? | 08:37 |
| daniels | stop refusing cookies? | 08:37 |
| Den | Is this a known bug? | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | Den: #launchpad might be able to help you | 08:37 |
| Den | I gota let it have cookie? If so, it should say so. I didn't see any msg from launchpad about needing cookies. | 08:38 |
| Den | Cookies got me in. Very frustrating to not have it tell me I neeeded cookies. | 08:40 |
| infinity | Unless there's a big ugly session ID in the URL, it's a fair bet that you need a cookie to login. | 08:41 |
| infinity | That's just kinda how the interweb thingee works. | 08:41 |
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| doko | infinity: please could you requeue openoffice.org2 on powerpc? same error as last time ... | 09:02 |
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| tepsipakki | lamont: util-linux_2.12r-5.1nfs4 built and installed fine on dapper | 09:13 |
| tepsipakki | next some mount-trickery | 09:14 |
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| tepsipakki | well, it mounts nfs4 shares, what else is there.. =) | 09:15 |
| pitti | Good morning | 09:17 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:23 |
| pitti | hi dholbach | 09:24 |
| dholbach | hellas pitti! | 09:24 |
| === pitti hugs dholbach | ||
| === dholbach hugs pitti back. | ||
| dholbach | pitti: how does icon-naming-utils look? :) | 09:25 |
| === pitti whistles innocently | ||
| pitti | dholbach: sorry, what? | 09:26 |
| pitti | :) | 09:26 |
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| Mithrandir | Riddell: is there any way to, programmatically, determine if one is on kubuntu? Do you change lsb_release or something, f.e? | 09:26 |
| dholbach | pitti: it's just 62 k big, that'S a piece of cake for you ;) | 09:26 |
| === dholbach hugs pitti | ||
| daniels | g'morning pitti, dholbach | 09:28 |
| pitti | morning daniels | 09:28 |
| dholbach | hellas daniels! | 09:28 |
| === dholbach hugs daniels | ||
| Mithrandir | uh, is there any way to reject a bug and at the same time give a reason? Just saying "rejected" looks a bit unfriendly. | 09:29 |
| minghua | elmo: if you accepts sistpoty's support for me, please sync scim 1.4.4-1 from incoming/unstable, dropping ubuntu changes, thanks | 09:29 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: Give the reason in the status whiteboard, it gets sent out with the reject email. | 09:29 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: use the status field | 09:29 |
| === dholbach hugs Mithrandir, infinity and minghua too. | ||
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| Mithrandir | thanks. | 09:29 |
| Mithrandir | hiya dholbach | 09:29 |
| minghua | hi dholbach :-) | 09:29 |
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| dholbach | Hey koke! | 09:30 |
| === infinity holds dholbach's dog ransom until gnome-terminal starts behaving better. | ||
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:30 |
| koke | hi there! | 09:30 |
| === Mithrandir feels a bit bad about rejecting a translation. | ||
| dholbach | infinity: i'm 10 seconds before uploading a new version | 09:30 |
| dholbach | infinity: so leave my dog out of it :) | 09:31 |
| infinity | dholbach: Does the new version not freeze every 10 minues, eating 100% CPU for 30 seconds, later, rinse, repeat? :) | 09:31 |
| daniels | g'morning mvo | 09:31 |
| mvo | hey daniels | 09:32 |
| dholbach | It says something about not crashing at startup. GNOME bug 327313 | 09:32 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 327313: "crash on startup" Product: gnome-terminal, Component: general, Severity: blocker, Assigned to: gnome-terminal-maint@gnome.bugs, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: FIXED http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327313 | 09:32 |
| dholbach | infinity: uploaded. | 09:33 |
| infinity | dholbach: Nah, mine doesn't crash on startup, mine just hogs resources every once in a while. | 09:34 |
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| infinity | We'll see. | 09:34 |
| dholbach | Yeah. :) | 09:34 |
| infinity | I'll file a bug if it persists for another week or so. | 09:34 |
| infinity | (ie: if it's still happening by sprint time) | 09:34 |
| infinity | Oh look, I think I fixed the thunderbird PPC FTBFS. | 09:35 |
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| daniels | iz gtk bug | 09:35 |
| === infinity waits for the build to finish anyway, out of paranoia. | ||
| infinity | What time it the distro meeting today? | 09:35 |
| dholbach | That sounds great. The terminal seems to be in the state as most other parts of GNOME are, getting all code stuffed in before Feature Freeze. :) | 09:35 |
| dholbach | 14 utc? | 09:35 |
| infinity | Ugh. 1am for me. And I have to leave at 5am to catch a plane. | 09:36 |
| infinity | That'll be fun. | 09:36 |
| dholbach | poor you. :-/ | 09:36 |
| daniels | infinity: there should still be a red eye platinum in the bar fridge. use it wisely. | 09:36 |
| infinity | Oh well, I'll probably be up packing anyway. | 09:36 |
| daniels | (tastes really good with vodka, but I brought all that with me, so.) | 09:37 |
| Mithrandir | what's a red eye platinium? | 09:37 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: awesome-tasting energy drink. combines far better with vodka than red bull. | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | evil au concoction | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: ahkay. I've never been fond of vodka and red bull, though. | 09:38 |
| infinity | Oh, speaking of alcohol... | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | they both taste better alone | 09:38 |
| daniels | infinity: drink the beer and you're dead | 09:38 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: I don't think any beer will be travelling with me, due to the "carrying all my carry-on around to hotels, and into Tokyo" business.. | 09:38 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: shame. :-/ | 09:39 |
| daniels | infinity: jal? | 09:39 |
| daniels | infinity: heathrow has decent duty-free | 09:39 |
| infinity | daniels: Da. | 09:39 |
| infinity | daniels: LHR duty-free sells Coopers? | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: not that I know of. | 09:41 |
| daniels | not coopers, no. | 09:41 |
| infinity | Yeah, exactly. :) | 09:41 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: I'll see how nice I'm feeling, but the idea of carrying bottles around with me all over doesn't sound very good. | 09:42 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: You may just have to come visit and get pissed. | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: why can't you stick them in the luggage proper? | 09:43 |
| infinity | Cause they'll explode? | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | (and yes, I guess I will come to .au again, but probably not this year) | 09:43 |
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| infinity | I've never had good experience with beverages in checked luggage. Ever. :) | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | not IME | 09:43 |
| pitti | hi again | 09:43 |
| infinity | I've had cans explode, bottles break (and well-packed ones, too, I think baggage handlers just hate me) | 09:43 |
| pitti | bwah, I just had a very nasty DoS | 09:43 |
| pitti | dholbach: can you please teach n-cd-burner to clean up after itself? | 09:44 |
| daniels | i got bottles from cph -> lhr -> bcn -> lhr, but somewhere in between lhr and mel, one of them leaked just a tiny bit, and suddenly all of my white shirts, weren't | 09:44 |
| daniels | but I did have like eight bottles | 09:44 |
| dholbach | pitti: clean up? | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: packing them in a plastic bag would be a good precaution, yes. | 09:44 |
| pitti | dholbach: my daily backup just tried to stick a 4 GB ~/.image.KLDF file into the backup archive, which overrun /var and left my machine unusable and unbootable | 09:44 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: hindsight, 20/20 | 09:44 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: they were pretty well padded in clothes | 09:45 |
| Mithrandir | heh. | 09:45 |
| pitti | dholbach: that's a DVD image produced by n-c-b | 09:45 |
| daniels | infinity: dude, the side of my case won't even go on any more | 09:45 |
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| infinity | daniels: Ouch. Got bendy? | 09:47 |
| daniels | infinity: i can't bend it back into shape. i took a photo of it just then, and now my camera's crashed. taking batteries out for a while isn't helping. | 09:48 |
| daniels | not my day. | 09:48 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: I'll see what I can do, but I'm not making any promises. :) | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: thanks anyway. | 09:49 |
| dholbach | pitti: and it was a successful burn? | 09:53 |
| pitti | dholbach: yes, from yesterday | 09:53 |
| pitti | dholbach: anyway, even if it's an unsuccessful one, there should be a signal handler that ensures cleaning up the tmpfiles even after crashes | 09:53 |
| dholbach | pitti: right - want me to file the bug report (upstream) and CC you or you want to do it? | 09:53 |
| pitti | dholbach: you know I'm lazy :) | 09:54 |
| pitti | anyway, no reason to shift my work to you | 09:54 |
| pitti | I'll file one | 09:54 |
| dholbach | No, it's ok. | 09:54 |
| dholbach | Just take care of icon-namin-utils ;-p | 09:54 |
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| \sh | oh well I'm a lucky guy | 09:55 |
| \sh | is UVF including the 19th or am I allowed to upload as quick as I can a new upstream version? | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | pitti, you might want to comment on desktop-devel about the security issues with the current design for g-p-m | 09:55 |
| \sh | I just got the message of a new pykde snapshot which fixes the most bugs I patched away from pykde. | 09:55 |
| \sh | http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2006-January/011994.html | 09:55 |
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| infinity | \sh: If it builds and tests okay, upload it, fast. :) | 09:56 |
| pitti | Burgundavia: I'm not on that list, do you have an URL? | 09:56 |
| \sh | infinity: cool...I just woke up..have to be quick then :) | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | pitti, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-January/msg00329.html | 09:57 |
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| \sh | gnarf..it's not yet on the bloody servers | 09:58 |
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| mvo | Burgundavia: what's the opinion about libnotify/notification-daemon? | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | mvo, in, but I am not a gnome developer nor should you take anything I say an canon | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | mvo, there have been no serious objections to it | 10:00 |
| mvo | Burgundavia: thanks, that's good news (even with your caveat) | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | mvo, how easy would it be to abstract gnome-app-install to be distro-agnostic? | 10:02 |
| mvo | Burgundavia: actually, it should be fairly easy because from it's POV it only needs a working package cache and desktop-files or channels. the actual backend that fetches/installs is relatively small and should be easy to e.g. switch to smart | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | mvo, I assume update-manager is the same way? Just wondering if it would be worth proposing them upstream | 10:05 |
| mvo | Burgundavia: I think we can try that for g2.16 when we build our tools on top of smart. it's way more disto-independant | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | mvo, cool | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | mvo, are we thinking smart for dapper+1 | 10:07 |
| mvo | Burgundavia: I think gnome will only accept it when it works with at least one other distro (that is, a rpm based one) :) | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 10:08 |
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| mvo | it's not set in stone, but there is a strong tendency I think | 10:08 |
| infinity | mvo: Well, it would work with apt-rpm, I suppose. :P | 10:08 |
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| Burgundavia | infinity, apt-rpm has basically been dropped by fedora. g-a-i would need to work with yum | 10:09 |
| infinity | Burgundavia: Yeah, I know, hence the ":P" | 10:09 |
| mvo | infinity: haha, right. but it seems that the distros using it switch to smart. and our python-apt is not available elesewhere AFAIK | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | infinity, I get tortured by a FC4 machine at work daily | 10:09 |
| mvo | another problem is that I would have to use cvs again if it was a official gnome package :P | 10:10 |
| === mvo pats bzr | ||
| LetterRip | hello all - Blender Foundation is currently on RC2 of blender 2.41, while we had hoped to have a release ready for today, and it is extremely unlikely for there to be any real change to current code base, it would be a bit more convenient if we could use the full release that will happen Monday | 10:11 |
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| LetterRip | otherwise we would need to ask the debian package maintainer to try and do the RC2 version into debian | 10:12 |
| infinity | LetterRip: You're better off asking for a UVF exception once the release is out, than discussing it now. Odds are, if it's within a week, it'll be accepted, if there's a compelling reason to want the new upstream. | 10:12 |
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| LetterRip | here is the list of changes since our 2.40 release about a month ago | 10:13 |
| LetterRip | http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/Competitive_Analysis/ReleaseNotes241 | 10:13 |
| LetterRip | infinity - ok | 10:13 |
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| LetterRip | it is mostly bugfixes - but isn't a 'bugfix only' release | 10:13 |
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| LetterRip | infinity - who would I contact for a UVF exception once the release is out? | 10:14 |
| LetterRip | is there a doc somewhere? | 10:14 |
| infinity | LetterRip: mdz and/or Kamion would be your best bet. | 10:14 |
| LetterRip | ok much appreciated | 10:15 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: we don't change lsb_release so you can't tell if it's kubuntu | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: 'k. | 10:15 |
| infinity | LetterRip: And, of course, it should be packaged already by someone (either the Debian maintainer, or one of our maintainers) before asking for such an exception. Hard to consider software that isn't actually available. | 10:15 |
| Riddell | openoffice checks for various environment variables of course | 10:15 |
| LetterRip | infinity sure | 10:15 |
| Riddell | and you could check if kubuntu-desktop is installed | 10:15 |
| LetterRip | Larstiq would probably package it today if I asked, but didn't want to ask unless absolutely necessary | 10:16 |
| LetterRip | also didn't want to package an RC2 with full release so close | 10:16 |
| LetterRip | thanks for your help | 10:16 |
| infinity | LetterRip: Well, if the full release is likely to be (almost) identical to RC2, it's worth packaging now, so it's a simple matter of swapping tarballs and incerementing the version in the changelog when the final release is out. | 10:17 |
| LetterRip | infinity - ok | 10:18 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: I merged the seeds yesterday to remove python-musicbrainz | 10:18 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: you need to upload kubuntu-meta too. | 10:18 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I merged edubuntu seeds yesterday for another reason, but didn't upload -meta. | 10:19 |
| LetterRip | infinity I think the only thing that might change is the addition of a few more docstring translations, and possibly one or two more bug fixes | 10:19 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: true | 10:19 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: should I do that for you/ogra? | 10:19 |
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| LetterRip | ok thanks for your help | 10:22 |
| LetterRip | I'm off to sleep... | 10:22 |
| mdke | Mithrandir, ubuntu-docs looks good to me. thanks very much for doing that! do you know if the dapper packages are already ok? | 10:24 |
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| Mithrandir | mdke: I hope so. | 10:29 |
| ogra | Kamion, Mithrandir, whats wrong ? | 10:29 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: Someone should double-check that the dapper packages migrate properly. ;) | 10:30 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: (But it can be done later..) | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: you include python-musicbrainz in your seeds => edubuntu-desktop uninstallable | 10:30 |
| ogra | ah, k | 10:30 |
| mdke | Mithrandir, the dapper packages were made a while back so they might not have the same fix. I think that Riddell sorted it out, but a double-check would be a good idea I think | 10:31 |
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| mdke | Mithrandir, we build them from our svn repository, so if any changes are needed, lemme know and I'll make any changes | 10:33 |
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| Kamion | ogra: (I've already merged your seeds while doing something else - you just need to update edubuntu-meta) | 10:34 |
| ogra | Kamion, yup, got it ... i was just missing the piece of conversation that introduced all the highlighting in here :) | 10:35 |
| ogra | hmm... | 10:37 |
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| Mithrandir | mdke: I'll go over the dapper packages as well. | 10:37 |
| ogra | hmpf | 10:38 |
| mdke | Mithrandir, thanks a lot, hopefully you won't have the same problem | 10:38 |
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| triceratops | How may I fill a bugreport against a package from universe which isn't registered in malone yet? | 10:56 |
| sivang | morning all | 10:58 |
| sivang | ogra: did you sleep at all ? :) | 10:58 |
| ogra | yes, some hours | 10:58 |
| ogra | 3 or 4 | 10:59 |
| sivang | :) | 10:59 |
| dholbach | triceratops: tell the guys in #launchpad to import it. | 11:00 |
| triceratops | dholbach: Thanks, will do so... | 11:00 |
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| jk_work | kernel 2.6.12-10 won't boot my laptop. 2.6.12-9 will. Any info you want? | 11:06 |
| === sivang wonders if the http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/vmware/Ubuntu-5.10.zip image includes DB2Express | ||
| Kamion | sivang: no | 11:11 |
| Kamion | it's a simple Ubuntu 5.10 install | 11:11 |
| sivang | Kamion: ah , ok. | 11:11 |
| ogra | Riddell, ping | 11:13 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Mon Jan 16 17:04:02 2006 | ||
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| === Kamion scratches his head and tries to match up console-data's idea of keymaps with gfxboot-theme-ubuntu's | ||
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: cxkb ftw | 01:49 | |
| (Riddell/#ubuntu-devel) dholbach: is this a bad sign? http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libfreetype.diff | 01:49 | |
| dholbach | Riddell: no, seems like they just added a function and changed internal stuff - that part looks good. | 01:50 |
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| Kamion | daniels: yeah, I know I'll have to change it later, but we need a keymap menu RSN | 01:52 |
| teroedni | Hello:) | 01:52 |
| dholbach | Riddell: we should have input on this from our cjk testers. | 01:52 |
| Riddell | dholbach: well it fixes the CJK problem, I've confirmed that, it's just the patches are quite large and I don't know much about freetype to say if something else might randomly break | 01:53 |
| dholbach | Riddell: me neither. :( | 01:54 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: having a menu there would be really, really nice, yes, since I can then just map the names from the menu to X keyboard maps in casper and mark simplified-live as implemented. :-) | 01:54 |
| Riddell | dholbach: and you were the other guy who commented on the bug report :) | 01:54 |
| dholbach | Riddell: Yeah, because I synced freetype at the time and brought breakage to Ubuntu. :) | 01:55 |
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| infinity | daniels: Not testing if a directory is a symlink before dumping the contents and exiting 1? | 01:57 |
| pitti | Riddell, infinity: I didn't follow the qt4 discussion yesterday, did you discuss this any further? | 01:57 |
| Riddell | pitti: since everyone seemed to object to qt4 in main for dapper I've not uploaded it | 01:58 |
| pitti | well, we have to balance that with the features we lose by not having it | 01:58 |
| pitti | Riddell: how much would break without qt4? | 01:58 |
| daniels | infinity: ? | 01:59 |
| infinity | daniels: Oh, it's a copy and paste of my old code from somewhere else, isn't it? So it's my fault. :) | 01:59 |
| daniels | if [ -d "/usr/bin/X11" ] ; then | 01:59 |
| daniels | [...] | 01:59 |
| daniels | if ! rmdir /usr/bin/X11 2>/dev/null; then | 01:59 |
| daniels | [...] | 01:59 |
| infinity | daniels: (Little known fact, "test -d" is true if the target is a directory.. Or a symlink toa directory. | 01:59 |
| daniels | exit 1 | 02:00 |
| Riddell | pitti: nothing would break, and it is only the calculator program, but it adds some features that people have been asking for (e.g. keypad) | 02:00 |
| daniels | infinity: oh my. | 02:00 |
| infinity | daniels: So you need [ -d foo ] && [ ! -L foo ] or some such. | 02:00 |
| daniels | infinity: so I guess -d /usr/bin/X11 && ! -L ... yeah | 02:00 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you expect more programs that use qt4 by dapper release? I. e. do you have a similar UVF exception like gnome? | 02:01 |
| infinity | I hope xorg doesn't circualarly depend on x11-common at this point, or I'll have to bootstrap this by hand. :) | 02:02 |
| infinity | daniels: Uploading fix? | 02:02 |
| Riddell | pitti: I don't know of any others that are likely to release qt4 versions imminently and we don't have a UVF exception | 02:02 |
| daniels | infinity: s/ing/ed/ | 02:02 |
| infinity | Spiff | 02:02 |
| \sh | Kamion: send via email, (matt and jonathan included) | 02:03 |
| infinity | daniels: Oh, that's fortunate. xorg's build-deps don't pull in a single X lib... Phew. | 02:04 |
| \sh | waiting for xorg to be installable again ;) | 02:04 |
| daniels | infinity: well, it's just metapackages | 02:05 |
| \sh | dpkg: error processing x11-common (--configure): | 02:06 |
| \sh | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 02:06 |
| \sh | Errors were encountered while processing: | 02:06 |
| \sh | x11-common | 02:06 |
| \sh | argl | 02:06 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I'm just trying to figure out how to transform Linux console maps automatically into something I can use within gfxboot. It's ... not exactly trivial. | 02:06 |
| \sh | BREAKMYUBUNTU | 02:06 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: is there a specification for gfxboot maps somewhere? | 02:07 |
| infinity | daniels: Yeah, but debhelper's dependencies grow every week. :) | 02:07 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: array of [ scan-code plain-ASCII shifted-ASCII altgr-ASCII ] (you can leave out ones that are just the same as the US map, although I think that might be too much trouble) | 02:08 |
| daniels | shawarma: dude, the exact same issue was just discussed not 25 minutes ago | 02:08 |
| \sh | daniels: you mean \sh and yes... | 02:08 |
| daniels | yeah, that | 02:09 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: playing with loadkeys -m at the moment | 02:09 |
| daniels | i also mean s/minutes/lines/ | 02:09 |
| \sh | while I wait...I'm watching neal armstrong landing on the moon | 02:10 |
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| giftnudel | \sh, what's your time now? | 02:11 |
| \sh | 13:11 UTC / 14:11 local time | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I guess I should just sit down and write lcxkb, then | 02:11 |
| giftnudel | \sh, well the date is surely something * 196? | 02:12 |
| \sh | giftnudel: it's named "NASA 50 years of space exploration part 1 :) | 02:12 |
| jdub | daniels: xfonts-* to be purged on dist-upgrade - transient package oddness or intentional? (i'm upgrading for now) | 02:16 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: in fact, UTF-8 for each of the plain, shifted, and altgred codes seem to work | 02:16 |
| daniels | jdub: uh | 02:16 |
| daniels | jdub: unintentional | 02:17 |
| daniels | ah, I see | 02:17 |
| daniels | transient | 02:17 |
| jdub | heh, transient because you're uploading a fixed package? ;-) | 02:17 |
| Mithrandir | hooray, most stuff got installable again | 02:18 |
| daniels | notice how your upstream is choked right now? :) | 02:18 |
| teroedni | will xorgand xorg common work together or are they completely broken apart/ i can see that xorg use 7 and xcommon 6.8:O | 02:18 |
| Nafallo | teroedni: since yesterday we have x11-common :-) | 02:18 |
| Nafallo | (and since today it works ;-)) | 02:19 |
| mvo | some change to x-window-system-core made ubuntu-desktop uninstall on dist-upgrades apparently | 02:19 |
| === mvo looks closer | ||
| daniels | mvo: transient | 02:20 |
| teroedni | nafallo:xorg common 7.0 version? | 02:20 |
| mvo | daniels: great, so it will be gone with the next upload? | 02:20 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: hmm, I don't think loadkeys -m is good enough - it doesn't output Unicode | 02:20 |
| daniels | mvo: yep | 02:20 |
| mvo | daniels: thanks :) | 02:20 |
| daniels | teroedni: xorg-common, xserver-common, and x-common are deprecated | 02:20 |
| daniels | x11-common is the new hotness | 02:21 |
| daniels | Kamion: loadkeys -u -m? | 02:21 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: how much would you love me if you had lcxkb before the sprint? | 02:21 |
| mvo | it looks like I picked a bad timing for asking for testing on the dist-upgrade process then :) | 02:21 |
| daniels | mvo: haha | 02:21 |
| teroedni | ohh then im installing the wrong package:/ | 02:21 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: extreme stress-testing. :-P | 02:21 |
| daniels | mvo: it should be gone by the time the dev team meeting's over | 02:21 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: the buildds are coping with most of daniels' fallout and it should all stabillise a bit in a little while? | 02:22 |
| daniels | pfft, I wasn't even trying | 02:22 |
| Kamion | daniels: tried that, it outputs 0x00a4 for Euro | 02:22 |
| daniels | Kamion: d'oh | 02:22 |
| Kamion | which is the ISO-8859-1 currency symbol, not the Euro symbol | 02:22 |
| Kamion | anyone know how the Euro stuff works? | 02:22 |
| daniels | 'badly' | 02:22 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: It's where the Euro symbol is in 8859-15 | 02:23 |
| mjg59 | (In case that's non-obvious) | 02:23 |
| Kamion | mjg59: aha | 02:23 |
| \sh | hmmm...do i have the imagination, that the ammount of bug reports increased since the merge to malone, or is it fact? | 02:23 |
| mjg59 | Why it's outputting in 8859-15, I have no idea | 02:23 |
| daniels | \sh: decreased | 02:23 |
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| \sh | hmm..then it's something else...I wonder if I have to adjust my sieve filters | 02:25 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: For some value of coping. I'll be handholding during the meeting. | 02:26 |
| Kamion | Christ. loadkeys -m spits out 0xf0a4 for "currency" (U+00A4) and 0x0151 for "odoubleacute" (U+0151) | 02:28 |
| teroedni | yea i wish i knew earlier:/ Ive most have the most broken system currently:Evrything was removed:O | 02:28 |
| === Kamion ponders just ignoring anything not in ASCII | ||
| daniels | teroedni: if you're not prepared to face this sort of breakage, development branches are not for you | 02:28 |
| Nafallo | or a bit more careful what you ack for that matter :-) | 02:29 |
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| teroedni | daniels:I guess im just a little bit suprised/ I am completely broken I havent even got a terminal any longer:P well well :P | 02:30 |
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| teroedni | daniels:Thanks for the tips :Atleast :I cant be dumb enough to do the same mistake twice:P | 02:31 |
| pvanhoof | ow, some x-server related upgrades | 02:32 |
| pvanhoof | is it save to upgrade dapper atm? :) | 02:32 |
| pvanhoof | safe | 02:32 |
| infinity | pvanhoof: No. Any other questions? | 02:33 |
| pvanhoof | :p | 02:33 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 02:33 |
| === Nafallo just removed a bunch of xserver-xorg-{driver,input}-* :-) | ||
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| pvanhoof | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 02:40 |
| pvanhoof | ddd libxp6 sun-j2sdk1.5 vncserver x-common x-window-system-core xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xorg-common xserver-common | 02:40 |
| pvanhoof | xserver-xorg | 02:40 |
| pvanhoof | is that normal when installing x11-common :) ? | 02:40 |
| pvanhoof | or should I wait a few days? ;) | 02:40 |
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| infinity | pvanhoof: Did you not just ask 15 minues ago if stuff was broken, and I said "yes"? | 02:41 |
| pvanhoof | right, I'll wait a few days | 02:41 |
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| teroedni | pvanhoof:Yea wait ;) | 02:42 |
| pvanhoof | :p | 02:42 |
| teroedni | Hope i get answer on this:imsorry if im being a pain in the ass | 02:43 |
| teroedni | but does the latest build work with x11-common? | 02:43 |
| pvanhoof | going to upgrade firefox nevertheless .. | 02:43 |
| pvanhoof | :p | 02:43 |
| pvanhoof | and the x11 stuff can wait | 02:43 |
| infinity | Kamion: Any urge to do a quick cron.daily again, to get us back on track? | 02:44 |
| infinity | Kamion: Then I should be able to fix the world during the meeting. | 02:44 |
| \sh | hehe | 02:44 |
| infinity | Kamion: Err, waiting for everything to hit accepted, of course (so, in 30 seconds or so...) | 02:44 |
| Kamion | infinity: running | 02:45 |
| infinity | Danke. You're a lifesaver. | 02:45 |
| Kamion | xorg 7.0.0-0ubuntu5 INSTALLED on all architectures | 02:45 |
| \sh | "SuperAdam, The Hero Who Fixed the World" ;) | 02:45 |
| infinity | \o/ | 02:45 |
| lamont | tepsipakki: does it mount nfs v3 shares? | 02:45 |
| Kamion | well, the big three and ia64 anyway | 02:45 |
| Nafallo | again, and again, and again... :-) | 02:46 |
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| tepsipakki | lamont: yes | 02:48 |
| tepsipakki | I've used a patched version for three weeks without problems | 02:48 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: I have what looks like a working console-keymaps-at / loadkeys -m scraper now - it's just a matter of some textual transformations | 02:52 |
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| \sh | oh I love daniels, kamion and infinity :) | 02:56 |
| Kamion | Dapper status meeting, in case anyone missed it | 03:03 |
| Kamion | er, is missing it :) | 03:03 |
| Kamion | (#ubuntu-meeting) | 03:03 |
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| \sh | Kamion: the autosync tool is not switched off by now? | 03:17 |
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| daniels | jdub: i just committed the fix for your quebecistani craptop to xorg head | 03:23 |
| mjr | so, I seem to have heard that dapper would contain some tools for centralized package management, is that so and any links? | 03:24 |
| daniels | whois mjr | 03:24 |
| mjr | mjr is someone who's doing some lectures on Linux, also Ubuntu, as well as a homebrew centralized package management system for the purposes of transitionin the CS department here to it | 03:30 |
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| shaya | infinity: thundebird now has its own problem | 03:32 |
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| shaya | /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/components/libgfx_gtk.so: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map | 03:32 |
| infinity | shaya: When/how are you managing to get that? | 03:33 |
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| shaya | just installed 1.5 | 03:33 |
| shaya | running from command line | 03:33 |
| infinity | shaya: Oh, feh. I haven't upgraded to -0ubuntu2 yet. Maybe enabling pango broke something internally. | 03:34 |
| infinity | I can revert that change for now and deal with it in a week. | 03:34 |
| shaya | let me try to build it locally | 03:36 |
| shaya | see if it works | 03:36 |
| shaya | hmm | 03:37 |
| shaya | X is uninstallable right now | 03:37 |
| daniels | yes, we know | 03:37 |
| shaya | I say this as I can't install the one dep I need to build thunderbird | 03:38 |
| shaya | oh well | 03:38 |
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| infinity | shaya: Feh. Looks like I'm calling into /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0.1101.1, but not linking to it. | 03:46 |
| infinity | GO THUNDERBIRD! | 03:46 |
| infinity | Or, go pango. I dunno who to blame. | 03:46 |
| === infinity just reverts the pango support for now. | ||
| shaya | so if it's LD_PRELINKED? | 03:46 |
| infinity | I'll sort it out in a week, after I'm back from VAC. | 03:47 |
| shaya | enjoy your hoover | 03:47 |
| infinity | Yeah, this works fine: | 03:47 |
| infinity | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0.1101.1 mozilla-thunderbird | 03:47 |
| teroedni | i have big problems with network-admin | 03:48 |
| teroedni | it often locks using rt2500 driver | 03:48 |
| shaya | yes it does | 03:48 |
| teroedni | and i want to submit bugs | 03:48 |
| teroedni | ahh so it is a known issue? | 03:49 |
| teroedni | eg any point in bug reporting on this? | 03:49 |
| shaya | infinity: for some reason thunderbird just launched konqueror | 03:52 |
| infinity | shaya: Then Konq is your default browser somewhere. | 03:52 |
| shaya | hmm | 03:53 |
| shaya | x-www-browser | 03:53 |
| infinity | That'd be the one. | 03:53 |
| shaya | yes | 03:53 |
| shaya | figuring this out | 03:53 |
| shaya | wondering why | 03:53 |
| infinity | Anyhow, pango support reverted and uploaded. | 03:53 |
| shaya | oh well | 03:53 |
| shaya | I liked the nice fonts | 03:53 |
| shaya | :) | 03:53 |
| infinity | In a week or so, Tbird 1.5 will get more love and polish. Right now, I just want it in and more or less functional. | 03:53 |
| shaya | so how do I update alternatives manually | 03:53 |
| infinity | Pango support will come back when I come back, I just need to fix the bug. | 03:54 |
| infinity | With a plane to catch in 3 hours, that's not gonna happen. :) | 03:54 |
| shaya | hmm | 03:54 |
| shaya | why does firefox have priority of 70 for x-www-browser, but konq 100 | 03:54 |
| tseng | shaya: because if you install kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu, its assumed that you prefer kde stuff | 03:55 |
| tseng | ubuntu = base | 03:55 |
| shaya | didnt install kubuntu-desktop | 03:55 |
| shaya | just konq | 03:55 |
| tseng | so the same thing i just said applies | 03:55 |
| shaya | I guess it makes sense | 03:55 |
| tseng | feel free to write a patch to read users minds | 03:55 |
| tseng | it has to go one way or the other | 03:56 |
| shaya | it be nice if there was a debconf message that is normally hidden, but that one can hit on dpkg-reconfigure that could ask about that | 03:56 |
| shaya | i.e. assume user wants it | 03:56 |
| shaya | but give easy way to change it by running one command and changing it | 03:56 |
| tseng | if you were that knowledgeable | 03:57 |
| tseng | it wouldnt be a strech to expect you to know 'sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' | 03:57 |
| shaya | ah | 03:58 |
| shaya | didnt know about config | 03:58 |
| tseng | you do now :) | 03:58 |
| shaya | just did a --set | 03:58 |
| shaya | config seems saner | 03:58 |
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| shaya | but it doesnt update the slave | 03:59 |
| shaya | weird | 03:59 |
| shaya | oh well, not going to worry about it right now | 03:59 |
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| ogra | mvo, want a bug as reminder for the xss issue ? | 04:03 |
| mvo | ogra: thanks | 04:04 |
| mvo | I added it to my tomboy notes for the meeting | 04:04 |
| ogra | err ... | 04:04 |
| ogra | ah, k | 04:04 |
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| infinity | Kamion: Feel like one more forced cron.daily, just to clear this mess out? | 04:14 |
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| dholbach | mdz: ping | 04:15 |
| mvo | woah, after my dist-upgrade, I have *no* interfaces anymore on startup (not even lo) | 04:16 |
| Kamion | infinity: running | 04:17 |
| infinity | Kamion: Ping me when it passes apt-ftparchive? | 04:18 |
| Kamion | ok | 04:18 |
| tseng | mvo: does Detecting Hardware script take forever to run? | 04:18 |
| tseng | i think it is rcS.d/S10udev | 04:19 |
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| mvo | tseng: no, seems to be normal | 04:22 |
| tseng | hm mine sits for several minutes than fails | 04:23 |
| pitti | hi jdthood, how are you? | 04:23 |
| tseng | (i am seeing the same thing about nic modules etc not being loaded) | 04:23 |
| tseng | and Keybuk hasnt been here for 2 days | 04:23 |
| jdthood | pitti: Doin' fine | 04:23 |
| Kamion | infinity: past, in ziyi | 04:23 |
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| Mez | infinity: any chance of updating enigmail as well as thunderbird please? | 04:24 |
| infinity | Mez: Not until I get back from vacation. The changelog notes where you can get a working enigmail plugin. | 04:24 |
| Mez | infinity - already have one :D | 04:25 |
| infinity | Mez: Well, there you go. | 04:26 |
| \sh | infinity: which country? | 04:28 |
| infinity | \sh: Vacationing in London before the sprint(s) | 04:28 |
| \sh | infinity: nice :) | 04:29 |
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| \sh | Kamion/mdz: do you need more informations about pykde uvf exception? | 04:31 |
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| mdz | dholbach: pong | 04:32 |
| rburton | am i being dense, or is there not a product in malone for xorg | 04:32 |
| dholbach | mdz: I just queried you. | 04:32 |
| mdz | infinity: I don't object to the renaming of thunderbird, but the timing is awkward | 04:32 |
| Treenaks | rburton: there is a product for every small subsystem :) | 04:33 |
| mdz | \sh: I've only just begun email for this morning | 04:33 |
| rburton | Treenaks: the only driver i can find a product for is synaptics | 04:33 |
| Treenaks | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/ works fine too | 04:34 |
| rburton | ok, i'll go via distros in the future | 04:34 |
| Nafallo | infinity: YAY! linuxdcpp switched to cdbs! :-D | 04:34 |
| Nafallo | that means scons in not a problem anymore, right? :-) | 04:35 |
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| \sh | mdz: ok :) | 04:36 |
| janimo | jdub, is changing reply-to settings on lists.u.c prohibited? I change it for xubuntu-devel but w/o any error it just sets it back to default | 04:39 |
| janimo | by popular request I want to set it to reply to list insted of poster | 04:40 |
| Treenaks | we need better mail clients | 04:40 |
| janimo | webmail mostly | 04:40 |
| janimo | is the cause | 04:41 |
| Treenaks | Webmail clients need to get better | 04:41 |
| janimo | tell that to google | 04:41 |
| mdz | janimo: if the list participants prefer to set reply-to, there's no reason not to do so. I don't know why changing the setting isn't working for you | 04:41 |
| mdz | -users is reply-to, iirc | 04:41 |
| janimo | me neither, I just check the box say submmit changes and the radio buttons is the default after page refresh | 04:42 |
| jdub | janimo: hrm, i'll take a look | 04:42 |
| mdz | Treenaks: there is an X.org project which should group all of the products | 04:42 |
| mdz | https://launchpad.net/projects/xorg | 04:42 |
| janimo | thanks | 04:42 |
| Treenaks | mdz: ah, cool | 04:43 |
| Treenaks | mdz: the structure of everything in launchpad is still a bit unclear to me | 04:43 |
| Treenaks | even _with_ the new look | 04:43 |
| janimo | is soyuz rollout implying world imports will be done in bzr instead of bazaar? | 04:43 |
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| jdub | oh man | 04:44 |
| mdz | janimo: they're unrelated, but yes, afaik the plan is to import to bzr. #launchpad will know more | 04:44 |
| jdub | now the mailman pages are https | 04:44 |
| mdz | jdub: can you approve my -devel-announce mail if no one has already? I have no idea what the admin passwords are anymore | 04:44 |
| jdub | janimo: it's something to do with the https setup | 04:44 |
| tseng | Treenaks: what new look? | 04:44 |
| janimo | jdub, mine or the servers? | 04:44 |
| jdub | mdz: ok | 04:44 |
| \sh | elmo: I think you missed my sync requests...the last week...ncbi-tools6 and g-wrap from sid, dropping ubuntu changes :) thx :) | 04:45 |
| Treenaks | tseng: the one without the tabs :) | 04:45 |
| tseng | hm | 04:45 |
| jdub | janimo: i assume the server, but firefox has been 'interesting' recently | 04:45 |
| tseng | i didnt notice they were missing | 04:45 |
| jdub | janimo: hrm, no, i just tried from windows too | 04:45 |
| Treenaks | tseng: ('new' being relative, I guess I saw it first in December) | 04:45 |
| janimo | jdub, ok then I wait, thanks | 04:45 |
| jdub | mdz: the only one there was the ubuntu women mentors post | 04:45 |
| jdub | oh, i know what it is | 04:45 |
| jdub | Znarl, elmo: who did the mailman https change? | 04:46 |
| Znarl | jdub : I did it! | 04:46 |
| jdub | Znarl, elmo: the list configurations need to be changed to point to https | 04:46 |
| mdz | jdub: was approved already, it seems (UVF) | 04:46 |
| jdub | mdz: ok | 04:46 |
| elmo | jdub: eh? | 04:47 |
| jdub | elmo: currently, the pages are forced to https, but the form is pointing to http | 04:47 |
| jdub | elmo: and thus, not working | 04:47 |
| Znarl | Ah, yes. Good point. Will change that jdub. | 04:48 |
| elmo | jdub: only the admin pages are forced, and they work for me? | 04:48 |
| jdub | elmo: definitely don't work for me - try changing config | 04:48 |
| jdub | Znarl: thanks | 04:48 |
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| elmo | hang on tho, if we change this, doesn't it change for everyone? | 04:48 |
| elmo | like will it affect the listinfo pages? | 04:48 |
| elmo | because if it does, we need to get a proper cert for l.u.c | 04:49 |
| jdub | oh, you only want to force it for admin/login? | 04:49 |
| elmo | anyway this is way -ECHAN | 04:49 |
| jdub | hold on | 04:49 |
| jdub | proper cert? | 04:49 |
| jdub | since when has that stopped us? :) | 04:49 |
| Nafallo | lol | 04:50 |
| \sh | elmo: thx :) | 04:51 |
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| \sh | Kamion / mdz: short update to the UVF exception report of pykde..it doesn't break anything. | 04:58 |
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| siretart | elmo: I think some sync request got lost somehow: please sync the following packages from unstable, ok to drop ubuntu changes: wmfire xmms-jack, sdcv, arson, dx. Thanks in advance! | 04:59 |
| \sh | oh wow...mark met my favorite indian ubuntu women contact :) | 05:02 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 05:02 |
| \sh | which is really great :) | 05:02 |
| Kamion | mdz: yeah, I did a pass over u-d-a moderation this morning | 05:03 |
| seb128 | elmo: is there a place where we have informations like why python-musicbrainz has been dropped? | 05:05 |
| Mez | jdub: ping | 05:06 |
| elmo | seb128: it wasn't built from source | 05:07 |
| elmo | and no, right now, the removals file isn't public | 05:07 |
| elmo | so for now, ask any of the 5+ people with logons to jackass | 05:07 |
| elmo | and then wait for the new soyuz world order | 05:07 |
| WaterSevenUb | pitti, quick question... are breezy langpack updates still planned before dapper? | 05:08 |
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| WaterSevenUb | :) | 05:08 |
| dilinger | ugh | 05:09 |
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| dilinger | /usr/share/gajim/COPYING? no copyright file in /usr/share/doc/gajim? /usr/share/gajim/src? | 05:10 |
| \sh | Launchpad ... The Final Frontier..we are writing the year 2006 ... These are the adventures of the spaceship Ubuntu | 05:10 |
| \sh | dilinger: what? | 05:10 |
| \sh | dilinger: lemme check | 05:10 |
| carlos | WaterSevenUb, pitti I will try to provide pitti with updates for tomorrow | 05:10 |
| \sh | argl... | 05:10 |
| carlos | so the answer is yes ;-) | 05:10 |
| \sh | pykde is just building and blows my machine | 05:11 |
| pitti | carlos: yay, that would be a good time to build new langpacsk | 05:11 |
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| pitti | current ones are scary (seb128 will certainly agree) | 05:11 |
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| \sh | dilinger: latest gajim upload? | 05:11 |
| Riddell | \sh: blows? | 05:11 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, I was going to ping you, stuff like xchat-gnome have no translation atm :p | 05:11 |
| \sh | Riddell: yeah...increasing the cpu load to 99 ,) | 05:11 |
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| WaterSevenUb | carlos, hhmm... shouldn't this be announced beforehand such that translators ultimate things? My understanding is that we are talking about first breezy langpack updates in locale, if not all... | 05:12 |
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| WaterSevenUb | in some locale.... | 05:13 |
| pitti | mvo: is there a reference bug for 'lo' not being ifup'ed? I have a dup for that | 05:13 |
| carlos | WaterSevenUb, well, we still have some problems with its generation | 05:13 |
| \sh | dilinger: ok COPYING is easy to fix...the rest is quite ... not really complicated, but complicated | 05:13 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, half of my dialog boxes are not translated any more either | 05:13 |
| carlos | WaterSevenUb, we will do the announcement when we are able to give concrete dates | 05:13 |
| dilinger | \sh: i may just end up packaging it properly | 05:13 |
| dilinger | \sh: if i use it. i've been working on a jabber client in ruby, using glade | 05:14 |
| dilinger | this seems very similar, though | 05:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, that too | 05:14 |
| \sh | dilinger: let me check why the python stuff is in /usr/share/gajim/src it can be, that upstream has a bug there... | 05:14 |
| WaterSevenUb | carlos, as you said tomorrow you will give pitti updates I understood you were rolling out the tarballs tomorrow :) | 05:15 |
| mvo | pitti: I havent found one yet | 05:15 |
| dilinger | \sh: not sure what python policy is for that, but i would imagine the stuff in src should go in /usr/lib/python*/gajim, and the stuff in data would be in /usr/share/gajim | 05:16 |
| pitti | mvo: ok, then I'll bless this one as a reference bug. Shall I assign it to Scott? | 05:16 |
| pitti | mvo: (you seemed to have suffered from this a lot, that's why I ask you) | 05:16 |
| carlos | WaterSevenUb, yes, that's the plan but if we announce it today, is useless as people is not going to have enough time to do useful updates | 05:16 |
| carlos | WaterSevenUb, the idea is to get this fixed as soon as possible and running on concrete dates | 05:17 |
| \sh | dilinger: it should and I apologise for not seeing this..but I'll take care...and bug upstream if this is something serious (and fixing it now for ubuntu) | 05:17 |
| pitti | WaterSevenUb: well, once this works, we can release updated langpacks more often | 05:17 |
| carlos | so people knows, for instance that every 1st of month we do a roll out | 05:17 |
| \sh | dilinger: only for the record, gajim in is the same layout | 05:17 |
| dilinger | \sh: yea, i figured it was just the case of someone leaving the default layout | 05:17 |
| mvo | pitti: I think scott is the right person, can you subscribe me to it as well please? | 05:18 |
| pitti | sure | 05:18 |
| WaterSevenUb | pitti, carlos, ok... great :) announce as much as you can even when it's too late in any case :) | 05:19 |
| \sh | dilinger: it's even in upstream makefile...I'll fix this now and check if I need to fix upstream sources as well *gnarf* | 05:19 |
| \sh | uh nasty | 05:21 |
| \sh | cd /usr/share/gajim/src in /usr/bin/gajim *grr* | 05:21 |
| dilinger | haha | 05:21 |
| dilinger | nice | 05:21 |
| dilinger | i checked to see whether it was a symlink | 05:21 |
| dilinger | didn't think to look at the actual script | 05:22 |
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| bedo | Hi all | 05:22 |
| \sh | just branching 0.9.1 and *censored* fixing it completly | 05:22 |
| bedo | I'm trying to boot a self-made ubuntu distro, based on breezy, with a self-made preseed. It's going well, when it gives me an error like: check target/var/log/bootstrap fo details. But tjis file dowsn't exist! Any hints? | 05:24 |
| Kamion | bedo: it's probably /var/log/messages in breezy, apologies for the error getting out of sync with the code there | 05:24 |
| Kamion | in dapper everything the installer says will just be in /var/log/syslog; they were still a bit split out in breezy | 05:25 |
| bedo | so i've to check what's wrong in /var/log/messages? | 05:27 |
| ogra | often its enough to use tty4, did you look there for errors ? | 05:29 |
| bedo | i'm looking | 05:29 |
| bedo | i'm writing from another pc so i can try my iso "live" :) | 05:29 |
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| Diziet | Is there anyone whose toes I'd be treading on if I just fixed the m-f-locale-* conflict by editing m-f-locale-all ? | 05:30 |
| Diziet | I think I have the right dhange. | 05:31 |
| Diziet | s/dha/cha | 05:31 |
| bedo | chroot: cannot execute mount: No such file or directory | 05:31 |
| bedo | now i'm looking for the packages i've made myself, there can be something wrong :) | 05:31 |
| bedo | Maybe :) | 05:31 |
| Kamion | Diziet: I doubt it | 05:34 |
| Kamion | bedo: you tried to chroot before the base system was installed, probably | 05:35 |
| Kamion | ogra: /var/log/messages is displayed on tty3, not tty4 | 05:35 |
| ogra | oh, sorry | 05:35 |
| Kamion | /var/log/syslog goes on tty4, but in breezy debootstrap output was not sent to syslog | 05:35 |
| Kamion | but in any case I normally find nano -v to be more useful even for /var/log/syslog, as you can search and scroll | 05:35 |
| ogra | i really miss ping in the installer | 05:36 |
| Kamion | the scrolling output on tty4 is useful if you're watching a long process go by and something's wrong with the status bar | 05:36 |
| Kamion | er, progress bar | 05:36 |
| bedo | In the installation phase it can't download some files | 05:36 |
| bedo | so the base system couldn't load | 05:36 |
| Kamion | bedo: which? | 05:39 |
| bedo | which files? many | 05:39 |
| bedo | link libs | 05:39 |
| bedo | like libs sorry | 05:39 |
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| Kamion | bedo: perhaps your mirror or network is broken | 05:41 |
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| \sh | dilinger: I fixed it now for the installation things...but I have to bug upstream because there is a glitch in their logic :) | 05:43 |
| bedo | i'm installing all with CDs | 05:44 |
| ryanpg | this may be considered a "support" question by some but... is there any reason to upgrade current dapper from the flight 3 cd? | 05:44 |
| mvo | ff is a bit crashy today? (on amd64) | 05:45 |
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| \sh | dilinger: and thx for finding this issue :) | 05:46 |
| \sh | mdz: thx for the approval | 05:47 |
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| \sh | btw... | 05:49 |
| \sh | short and easy question: regarding the uvf announcement, autosync should be stopped, right? | 05:50 |
| pitti | \sh: isn't it? | 05:51 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: what's the status of the "fix firefox version number" issue? | 05:51 |
| \sh | pitti: I had some autosyncs now in my autosync folder from 16:24 DCT | 05:51 |
| bedo | Solved! | 05:52 |
| bedo | the problem was the wrong path in the Packages file | 05:52 |
| bedo | :) | 05:52 |
| dilinger | \sh: np, thanks for fixing it | 05:52 |
| dilinger | \sh: does it pass lintian checks? | 05:52 |
| \sh | dilinger: I can't tell...will see later when I build it :) I have to wait for my final pykde test build :) | 05:53 |
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| Diziet | Oh, FFS. m-f-locale-all has what should be an FTBFS but it doesn't notice due to lack of set -e. I added the set -e because it blundered about at me and that's why my build is broken now. | 05:55 |
| Diziet | And I have no idea how it was supposed to work or anything. | 05:55 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: I read that as "I'm working on it". Thanks. | 05:55 |
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| Diziet | mithrandir: You're welcome. | 05:55 |
| pitti | Diziet: I'll take a look at it | 05:56 |
| pitti | Diziet: if you give me the details? | 05:56 |
| Diziet | You sure ? | 05:56 |
| pitti | Diziet: well, I consider -all largely my task/fault | 05:56 |
| Diziet | I'll email you a diff. Apply it to your package, run debian/rules update-debian-files, run debian/rules build, it bombs. | 05:56 |
| pitti | (unless you want to fix it, that is :) ) | 05:56 |
| Diziet | No, I don't want to fix it if you can tell what the problem is :-). | 05:56 |
| pitti | Diziet: ok, that sounds good | 05:56 |
| pitti | I'm not aware at all about problems in update-debian-files so far | 05:57 |
| pitti | (apart from the fact that it's utterly hackish, of course) | 05:57 |
| pitti | but I didn't bother changing it too much compared to Debian | 05:57 |
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| pitti | since I hope that we can eventually drop it completely | 05:58 |
| \sh | ok...while pykde is building I should go shopping | 05:59 |
| Diziet | Yes, it's not u-d-f that's going wrong. It's giving me an error: unzip: cannot find or open chrome/bg-BG.jar, chrome/bg-BG.jar.zip or chrome/bg-BG.jar.ZIP. | 06:00 |
| Diziet | but I'm pretty sure I'm only seeing it because I added some set -e's. | 06:00 |
| Diziet | YHM | 06:00 |
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| Diziet | The diff has my fix for the firefox version screwup, and the set -e's. See the debian/changelog, which I edited accurately. | 06:00 |
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| Diziet | my fix for the firefox version screwup> which I _think_ I have right but I was going to do a test build and then tripped up, as you see. | 06:01 |
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| dilinger | isn't today upstream version freeze? | 06:05 |
| Kamion | dilinger: yes, there's a mail on -devel-announce about it | 06:05 |
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| mdz | fun, gnome-terminal just freaked out and is spinning on the CPU. anyone else see this? | 06:06 |
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| pitti | mdz: hm, mine just doesn't start any more from time to time | 06:06 |
| mdz | mine is running, but won't redraw or anything | 06:07 |
| Kamion | it does that for me on the live CD from time to time, but I'd put it down to a mad live CD or unionfs bugs or something ... | 06:07 |
| mdz | strace shows no syscalls, gdb backtrace is garbage | 06:07 |
| Kamion | oh, in my case it's when I'm trying to start it before the window appears | 06:07 |
| dilinger | mdz: ltrace? | 06:08 |
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| mdz | nothing, seems to be in a tight loop somewhere | 06:08 |
| mdz | dunno why gdb gives only '??', not even any symbol names | 06:09 |
| Kamion | smashed stack? | 06:09 |
| mdz | apparently, but it changes as it sits and spins | 06:09 |
| mdz | oh well, killing it | 06:10 |
| pitti | Diziet: btw, I just made a very interesting discovery: if I start firefox without a ~/.mozilla, it crashes; but if I ssh -X test@localhost and start firefox as user test (without .mozilla again) it works | 06:10 |
| seb128 | mdz: no bug about that and it works fine for me but I've not updated to today new version | 06:10 |
| dilinger | ah, what the hell | 06:10 |
| mdz | seb128: neither have I | 06:10 |
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| mdz | seb128: I'll call it sunspots unless I see it again | 06:10 |
| seb128 | ok | 06:11 |
| seb128 | quick questions guys, slomo has prepared a xine-lib for main without patented codecs, would you keep naming the binary package libxine1c2 ? | 06:11 |
| seb128 | or libxine-main and have a libxine-universe and libxine Depending on both to not drop feature silently? | 06:12 |
| pitti | so we still need it for main at all? | 06:13 |
| seb128 | we said we would evaluate both | 06:14 |
| pitti | otherwise, your second solution seems correct if the new libxine1c2 is in universe | 06:14 |
| seb128 | so have a xine and a gstreamer totem for main | 06:14 |
| pitti | 'k | 06:14 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, but anyway we will have to rebuild stuff with libxine-main so it doesn't work :/ | 06:15 |
| pitti | the rdepends list is not too scary, so we can do the transition for main | 06:15 |
| pitti | universe/multiverse packages are certainly fine to depend on libxine1c2 | 06:15 |
| seb128 | right | 06:15 |
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| \sh | another transition? | 06:16 |
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| seb128 | small one | 06:16 |
| pitti | seb128: amarok kaffeine kdeaddons kdemultimedia totem | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Hello | 06:16 |
| seb128 | pitti: in fact no need to rename for that | 06:17 |
| \sh | what about universe ? | 06:17 |
| pitti | seb128: why not? | 06:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: we can keep libxine1c2 and add a Depends on libxine-extracodecs for universe package | 06:18 |
| seb128 | pitti: what advantage do we have to rename libxine1c2 to libxine-main? | 06:19 |
| janimo | mdz, can you promote the xfce packages pitti reviewed for main if not all their dependencies are approved yet? | 06:19 |
| mdz | janimo: not really; that would make them uninstallable | 06:19 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, the extra depends WFM, too | 06:19 |
| pitti | janimo: what's still missing? | 06:19 |
| janimo | mdz, ah ok I'll remove the deps from xubuntu-meta then | 06:19 |
| janimo | pitti, some panel plugins | 06:20 |
| pitti | packages you don't consider ready for release yet? | 06:20 |
| janimo | some still don;t come from debian as they are not uptodate yet | 06:20 |
| seb128 | pitti: we have to transition anyway, better to keep libxine1c2 for main, create a new libxine-extracodecs and make universe packages Depends on it ... what do you think? | 06:20 |
| janimo | oh, they are ready for release but may be hairier for you to review :) | 06:20 |
| janimo | but ok I'll give you a list | 06:20 |
| pitti | mdz: btw, janimo and I talked about langpacks for xubuntu; they are small enough to not justify split out packs | 06:20 |
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| janimo | pitti, I shall add them to the queue then ok? | 06:21 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds sane; indeed there even are fewer universe packages that use libxine than main ones :) | 06:21 |
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| Kamion | janimo: getting anywhere with the cdimage/debian-cd hacking for xubuntu? | 06:21 |
| pitti | janimo: yes, please write any concerns about maturity into the reports | 06:21 |
| janimo | Kamion, had no time yet sorry | 06:21 |
| Kamion | np | 06:21 |
| seb128 | grumpf, gnome-session hacking ... | 06:21 |
| seb128 | re :) | 06:21 |
| janimo | will look at it once things are in main | 06:21 |
| Kamion | not like I've had time either | 06:21 |
| \sh | seb128: giving the motus more work? ,) | 06:21 |
| bddebian | Heh | 06:22 |
| janimo | pitti, they are mature just not from the same upstream, they are community plugins. I'll make a short list and drop the rest from xubuntu-desktop for now to keep it safe | 06:22 |
| seb128 | \sh: rebuilding 5 packages to put a Depends on a new package ... really few work, that's like 10 min for slomo | 06:22 |
| \sh | seb128: hehe...it's less :) | 06:22 |
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| ulaas | x is ok now? | 06:26 |
| pitti | Diziet: bwah, heisenbug. 'firefox' segfaults, but "firefox --debugger 'strace -o /tmp/ffox.strace'" works like charm of course | 06:27 |
| Diziet | Nice. i386 ? | 06:27 |
| pitti | amd64 | 06:27 |
| Diziet | Um, which version ? | 06:27 |
| ulaas | safe to upgrade now? | 06:27 |
| pitti | so it works as user 'test' without debugger, and as 'martin' with debugger, and crashes as 'martin' without debugger. go firefox | 06:28 |
| pitti | 1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1ubuntu4 | 06:28 |
| pitti | and gdb doesn't help at all | 06:28 |
| Diziet | That's quite old really. I think we should concentrate on fixing the FTBFS and see if it still does it in the 1.5 release version. | 06:28 |
| Mithrandir | uh, where has my applications, system and places menu gone? | 06:29 |
| Diziet | I had them for lunch. Sorry. | 06:29 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: is ^^ a known bug? I haven't removed them. | 06:29 |
| Mithrandir | bad Diziet! | 06:29 |
| elmo | ok, guys, I think I'm caught up on syncs | 06:29 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: nop, not known | 06:30 |
| pitti | \o/ thanks elmo | 06:30 |
| elmo | if you haven't seen your sync on dapper-changes, and the source isn't in the archive, please reping me about it | 06:30 |
| ogra_ | only 40 ? | 06:30 |
| siretart | thanks elmo! | 06:30 |
| Diziet | syntax error at -e line 3, near "while" | 06:30 |
| Diziet | syntax error at -e line 7, near "}" | 06:30 |
| Diziet | Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. | 06:30 |
| Diziet | make[4] : Nothing to be done for `export'. | 06:30 |
| Diziet | And then it just carries on. ?! | 06:30 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: is your panel frozen? | 06:30 |
| bddebian | 'bout time elmo | 06:30 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: unsure. It fixed itself when I killall-ed it. | 06:30 |
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| Diziet | pitti: Did that diff look sane to you ? Was I right about it being broken before I got to it ? | 06:32 |
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| bddebian | martink == madduck? | 06:33 |
| pitti | Diziet: didn't look at it yet, sorry; I'm trying to chase this crash | 06:33 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: let me know before killall it it that happens again :) | 06:34 |
| Diziet | pitti: OK. | 06:34 |
| martink | bddebian, no | 06:34 |
| Diziet | Re the crash: did you already move ~/.mozilla aside ? | 06:34 |
| bddebian | martink: Ah, OK, sorry | 06:34 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: willdo | 06:35 |
| pitti | elmo: could you already process the removal and backport requests, too? | 06:35 |
| elmo | pitti: I did, AFAIK | 06:35 |
| pitti | Diziet: yes (as I said above) | 06:35 |
| pitti | great, thank you | 06:36 |
| bddebian | Sorry to ask in here but does anyone know how to crack a bios password on a ThinkPad R31 without the security chip replacement thing? | 06:36 |
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| janimo | hmm at least xfprint, xterminal and xffm4-icons are still in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/ | 06:37 |
| mdke | elmo, any chance you have a minute or two to talk about the docteam svn server? | 06:38 |
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| pitti | janimo: true, AFAICS only the non-arch-all debs were removed | 06:40 |
| dilinger | oops, maybe i should've waited | 06:40 |
| pitti | janimo: on, rather, did xfprint ever built at all? | 06:40 |
| janimo | only debs not sources too? | 06:40 |
| dilinger | looks like libapt broke | 06:41 |
| Diziet | pitti: Oh, err, so what's different about `martin' ? | 06:41 |
| pitti | xfprint | 4.2.1-1ubuntu2 | breezy/universe | source | 06:41 |
| pitti | xfprint | 4.2.1-1ubuntu2 | dapper/universe | source | 06:41 |
| pitti | xfprint | 4.2.1-1ubuntu2 | hoary/universe | source | 06:41 |
| janimo | in hoary we useed it | 06:41 |
| janimo | but in breezy got superceded by xfprint4 | 06:41 |
| pitti | Diziet: that's what I'm asking myself, too | 06:41 |
| Kamion | right, this officially rocks | 06:41 |
| pitti | Diziet: I'm in more groups | 06:41 |
| Kamion | complete conversion of console-keymaps-at into gfxboot keymaps and a working keymap menu | 06:41 |
| pitti | Diziet: does ffox read gconf or anything like that? or just .mozilla? | 06:41 |
| pitti | Diziet: but if it would depend on the state of some files, then it shuold fail under strace as well *headdesk* | 06:42 |
| Kamion | even the French keymap works | 06:43 |
| pitti | Diziet: (did I mention that firefox -g works as well?) | 06:43 |
| Diziet | pitti: I couldn't say, I'm afraid, what ff reads. | 06:44 |
| pitti | Kamion: you better make sure, otherwise your panel will break in interesting ways :) | 06:44 |
| Kamion | FSVO "works" that means "does mad azerty things" | 06:44 |
| Diziet | But yes, since the new mime handling I think it uses gconf. | 06:44 |
| Diziet | That is, it calls some gnome mime library which might well look at gconf data. | 06:44 |
| janimo | elmo, please sync/override xfmedia and if possible change my sync notification address from email.ro to jani@u.c . thank you | 06:45 |
| ogra_ | elmo, scim is missing from the syncs i think, should be at 1.4.4-1 | 06:45 |
| pitti | Diziet: hm, moving aside .gnome2 doesn't help either | 06:45 |
| elmo | janimo: xfmedia is broken, different orig.tar.gz in Debian and Ubuntu, I can't sync | 06:46 |
| janimo | oh, weird | 06:46 |
| janimo | never mind than, sorry | 06:46 |
| elmo | janimo: changed your email | 06:46 |
| janimo | thanks | 06:47 |
| elmo | ogra_: what's minghua's name? | 06:47 |
| elmo | name + email | 06:47 |
| ogra_ | Ming Hua <minghua@rice.edu> | 06:47 |
| Diziet | pitti: When you try it as test, do you run it as test displaying to your own display, or in a test login session ? | 06:47 |
| pitti | Diziet: in my own display | 06:47 |
| Diziet | You could move aside ~ I suppose. | 06:47 |
| pitti | $ gdmflexiserver | 06:48 |
| Kamion | the only problem with hacking on keymap support is that sometimes I'm left going "WHERE DID MY DOWN KEY GO?" | 06:48 |
| pitti | Segmentation fault | 06:48 |
| pitti | bwah | 06:48 |
| pitti | Diziet: my whole ~? Sure | 06:48 |
| ogra_ | just make sure to have all commands you'll ever need in your history ;) | 06:48 |
| pitti | Diziet: I'll try it in a separate display if that helps | 06:48 |
| pitti | seb128: confirmed, new gdm fixes gdmflexiserver segfault | 06:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: cool, thank you | 06:49 |
| Diziet | No, if you're already trying it in your display then we know it's not something in your display that's breaking it. So we're left with permissions or ~. | 06:50 |
| Diziet | You could do binary chop on the groups list I suppose. | 06:50 |
| pitti | Diziet: ok, that gets some consistency. In complete 'test' session, firefox segfaults, too | 06:50 |
| Diziet | Ooo. | 06:50 |
| Diziet | But not when debugged, no doubt. | 06:50 |
| pitti | Diziet: sure thing | 06:51 |
| Diziet | Looks like infinity's workaround for the amd64 FTBFS works. | 06:51 |
| Diziet | Do you fancy trying ronne:~iwj/firefox-4u2/firefox_1.5.dfsg-4ubuntu2_amd64.deb ? | 06:52 |
| pitti | sure | 06:52 |
| pitti | btw, ssh -X martin@localhost from the 'test' session segfaults | 06:52 |
| pitti | so it's not overly consistent | 06:52 |
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| ulaas | is common remove safe? | 06:54 |
| ulaas | is xcommon remove safe? | 06:54 |
| pitti | Diziet: btw, how is 1.5.dfsg- >> 1.5.z999 ? | 06:56 |
| pitti | and indeed, the newly generated debian/control is seriously screwed | 06:56 |
| Diziet | pitti: Eh ? | 06:57 |
| pitti | Diziet: it misses all the language names | 06:58 |
| Diziet | That's still the old package. From yesterday. | 06:58 |
| pitti | - for Mozilla Firefox (Arabic language, ar). | 06:58 |
| pitti | + for Mozilla Firefox ( language, ar). | 06:58 |
| Diziet | Oh, sorry, you're talking about m-f-l-a. | 06:58 |
| pitti | yes, sorry | 06:58 |
| Diziet | 1.5.dfsg- isn't supposed to be >> 1.5.z999. | 06:58 |
| pitti | oh, sure, Conflicts:. My bad | 06:58 |
| pitti | ok, I'll figure out what fails in debian/rules and try to fix it | 06:59 |
| Diziet | It manages the language names here. You mean my change around CURLANGXPATH ? | 06:59 |
| Diziet | I just added that because if you say xpath yada yada | sed yada yada and xpath isn't installed, it just blunders on without noticing. | 06:59 |
| pitti | Diziet: AFAICS you just split the command, right? | 07:00 |
| Diziet | Because false | true == true | 07:00 |
| Diziet | Yes. | 07:00 |
| pitti | yes, I understood it that way | 07:00 |
| pitti | maybe it's easier to check for which xpath at the start and exit 1 if not, but it should work under -e | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | or use bash and PIPESTATUS | 07:00 |
| Diziet | There's a set -o you can say with modern bash, too, to make false | true == false. | 07:02 |
| Mithrandir | pipefail | 07:02 |
| pitti | Diziet: meh, new ffox requires a new libnspr4, too | 07:04 |
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| Diziet | Yes, 'fraid so. But that's probably fairly painless. | 07:05 |
| Diziet | Just get the whole lot and dpkg -iGROEB | 07:05 |
| pitti | sure | 07:05 |
| Diziet | Amazingly the new nspr has not been _too_ bad. Just a few more obscure things broke. | 07:05 |
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| dilinger | how come there's no gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad ? | 07:08 |
| dilinger | there's -good and -ugly | 07:08 |
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| pitti_ | yay, go network | 07:08 |
| pitti_ | Diziet: still segfaults :( | 07:08 |
| Diziet | Damn. | 07:09 |
| Diziet | Does it do it if you debug it, now ? | 07:09 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: hmm, firefox builds fine in dapper for me.. | 07:09 |
| Diziet | mithrandir: amd64 ? fakeroot ? | 07:10 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: yes | 07:10 |
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| Diziet | The amd64 FTBFS is a fakeroot bug. Hmm. How interesting. | 07:10 |
| Diziet | And does it run ? | 07:10 |
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| Mithrandir | Diziet: no idea yet. I'm just wondering why it ftbfs on the buildds. | 07:11 |
| Diziet | I reproduced the FTBFS on ronne's dapper chroot. | 07:13 |
| Diziet | ronne:~iwj/firefox-4u2/firefox-* is the build tree. | 07:13 |
| Diziet | (after I applied infinity's suggested workaround) | 07:13 |
| Diziet | (ie, it FTBFS, I applied the workaround, then it built; that tree is the finished build) | 07:14 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: it segfaults if I run it with the wrapper script, but works if I do LD_LIBRARY_PATH=bla /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox | 07:14 |
| pitti | Diziet: same behaviour still | 07:14 |
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| Mithrandir | Diziet: turning off the esddsp thing makes it not crash on startup | 07:16 |
| Diziet | mithrandir: Oh! Can you get the wrapper script to print out the environment and figure out which variable is .... | 07:16 |
| Diziet | ... ah. | 07:16 |
| Diziet | Is there flash involved here at all ? | 07:17 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: (confirmed with changing auto to none in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc) | 07:17 |
| Mithrandir | on /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/indx.html? I hope not. | 07:17 |
| Diziet | Right :-). | 07:17 |
| pitti | Diziet: not at all | 07:17 |
| Diziet | Just checking you hadn't got a different start page or anything. | 07:17 |
| Mithrandir | anyway, there's no 64 bit flash plugin available so it wouldn't have ran. | 07:17 |
| Diziet | I'm starting to run short of time if I want to get an upload out today. | 07:18 |
| Diziet | So I think I'll have a quick look and if I can't see it straight away I'll just disable the esddsp option on amd64. | 07:19 |
| pitti | Diziet: Mithrandir hit the nail - changing auto to none fixes the crash | 07:19 |
| Mithrandir | if you change the default to "none" on amd64, nobody will kill you, I suspect. | 07:19 |
| Diziet | For now anyway. | 07:19 |
| pitti | Diziet: yes, we want alsa anyway | 07:19 |
| Diziet | Do we ? I know naaathing. | 07:19 |
| pitti | esd == the suck | 07:19 |
| ogra | hrm ... | 07:19 |
| pitti | ... for !ltsp | 07:19 |
| pitti | anyway, nice to have this workaround | 07:20 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: however you found that out, you rock :) | 07:20 |
| Diziet | What's this about ltsp ? | 07:21 |
| pitti | Diziet: ltsp needs esd for remote audio | 07:21 |
| pitti | alsa itself doesn't support network audio | 07:21 |
| Diziet | Ahm. | 07:21 |
| pitti | but in Ubuntu proper we don't use esd by default any more | 07:21 |
| pitti | it's still there for the apps that want it, though | 07:21 |
| Mithrandir | it's a crash in libesddsp.so, I suspect. I need a debugging version, I think. | 07:21 |
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| Diziet | Maybe ltsp should set FIREFOX_DSP=esddsp ? | 07:22 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: this rings a bell | 07:22 |
| Diziet | Well, I'll change the default on amd64 for now. | 07:22 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I had a similar esd bug ages ago that mystically disappeared under strace | 07:22 |
| pitti | thanks | 07:22 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: I can reproduce it with gdb, so.. | 07:22 |
| pitti | oh, it works fine under gdb here | 07:22 |
| pitti | as it does with strace | 07:22 |
| pitti | which is really annoying if you want to find the reason | 07:23 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: if you LD_PRELOAD /usr/lib/esound/libesddsp.so.0 too? | 07:23 |
| Diziet | Can I select on uname -m output or should I make it depend on the build architecture ? | 07:23 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: use the target architecture from dpkg-architecture. | 07:24 |
| Mithrandir | so cross-compiles (hahahha) will work. | 07:24 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: indeed, then it crashes | 07:24 |
| Diziet | mithrandir: YM dpkg --print-architecture I take it. | 07:25 |
| pitti | Diziet: is there a reason we would ever want to use esddsp at all? | 07:25 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: doesn't that use the OSS interface? | 07:25 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH is what I meant, I think. | 07:25 |
| Diziet | pitti: I have no idea really what esddsp is. | 07:25 |
| pitti | oh, wait, the other way orund | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it means flash doesn't hog the sound device. | 07:26 |
| pitti | it emulates an OSS interface through esd | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: yes. | 07:26 |
| perofal | if I want to help is not important if I use amd64 vercion or 386 one? | 07:26 |
| pitti | ok, then disabling it on amd64 is no big deal since there is no flash plugin anyway | 07:26 |
| pitti | perofal: does it crash for you as well? | 07:26 |
| pitti | perofal: Mithrandir and I am on amd64 | 07:27 |
| pitti | s/am/are/ | 07:27 |
| perofal | I havent installed it yet | 07:27 |
| perofal | downloading the fight 3 cd right now | 07:27 |
| perofal | :( | 07:27 |
| perofal | I am have downloaded the 386 vercion | 07:27 |
| Mithrandir | bingo, the fault is in libesd somewhere. I get mplayer to segfault too. | 07:28 |
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| Mithrandir | (why on _earth_ isn't that in the default cflags?) | 07:30 |
| perofal | pitti : the amd64 is broken? | 07:30 |
| pitti | CONFIG_OPTS+= --enable-debugging | 07:31 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ^ doesn't that suffice? | 07:31 |
| Mithrandir | apparently not. | 07:31 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: oh, no, I see - CFLAGS="-O2" | 07:31 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: anyway, works with -g :-( | 07:31 |
| pitti | yay heisenbugs | 07:31 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:31 |
| Mithrandir | no, I'm lying. | 07:31 |
| \sh | bah...whoever said, that concatening source files is better for the compiletime...I shoot him | 07:32 |
| Mithrandir | esddsp isn't thread-safe. | 07:39 |
| wasabi | My car got stolen. =( | 07:40 |
| \sh | wasabi: damn... | 07:41 |
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| dilinger | whee! | 07:45 |
| dilinger | can't install xserver-xorg, the kernel likes to hang when doing network related stuff.. good times | 07:45 |
| tseng | dilinger: happy UVF | 07:46 |
| bddebian | tseng!! | 07:46 |
| dilinger | UVF? | 07:46 |
| tseng | bddebian: dude! | 07:46 |
| tseng | dilinger: version freeze | 07:46 |
| dilinger | ah | 07:46 |
| dilinger | hehe | 07:46 |
| tseng | dilinger: when we theoretically stop breaking things in horrific ways | 07:46 |
| bddebian | tseng: How you been? | 07:46 |
| tseng | bddebian: good, you | 07:47 |
| dilinger | it's a good thing i didn't intend to actually do any real work today | 07:47 |
| bddebian | Busy and frustrated :-( | 07:47 |
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| pkern | Hi. How is the outer mixer in Gnome called (the one controlled by media keys)? I need it to look for/to file a bug about the mixer not using the correct sound card specified in Preferences > Sound. | 07:51 |
| tseng | pkern: the media keys normally control Master mixer | 07:52 |
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| tseng | so does the mixer applet | 07:52 |
| pkern | tseng: The mixer applet is configurable. The other mixer is not. | 07:53 |
| tseng | im aware | 07:54 |
| pkern | tseng: It controls the wrong master, despite playing system sounds on the correct soundcard. | 07:54 |
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| tseng | there used to be a gconf folder for acme | 07:58 |
| tseng | not now, it seems | 07:58 |
| tseng | acme being the standalone version of multimedia key grabber before it was integrated into gnome-control-center | 07:59 |
| tseng | there was a bit of namespace sharing for awhile | 07:59 |
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| shaya | anyone know why evolution is asking me to unlock my secret key? | 07:59 |
| Treenaks | to get to your email password? | 08:00 |
| shaya | why? | 08:00 |
| shaya | it stores it in gnome keyring now? | 08:00 |
| shaya | so every time I use evo its going to ask me at least once? | 08:00 |
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| tuhl | hi | 08:01 |
| tuhl | any beagle guys online? | 08:01 |
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| tseng | you could try asking your question | 08:01 |
| shaya | except, I dont know what password it wants | 08:01 |
| tuhl | best does not start in upstream | 08:01 |
| tseng | it works better. | 08:01 |
| shaya | not my gnome keyring password | 08:01 |
| tseng | "in upstream?" | 08:01 |
| tuhl | best | 08:02 |
| tuhl | Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libbeagleuiglue | 08:02 |
| tuhl | in (wrapper managed-to-native) Beagle.Util.GeckoUtils:blam_gecko_utils_init_services () | 08:02 |
| tuhl | in <0x00007> Beagle.Util.GeckoUtils:Init () | 08:02 |
| tuhl | in <0x0006c> Best.Best:Main (System.String[] args) | 08:02 |
| tseng | dont do that please | 08:02 |
| tuhl | tseng: sorry | 08:02 |
| tseng | now please start at the begining | 08:02 |
| tseng | you built beagle from source? | 08:02 |
| pkern | tseng: gnome-volume-control, thanks (= | 08:02 |
| pkern | tseng: Within /apps/ | 08:02 |
| tuhl | tseng: no by installing packages | 08:02 |
| tseng | so why did you say upstream | 08:03 |
| tseng | pkern: erm theres nothing in there :) | 08:03 |
| tseng | pkern: or i would have pointed you straight to it | 08:03 |
| tuhl | tseng: people told me that dapper is (upstream :-)) | 08:03 |
| tseng | uh | 08:03 |
| pkern | tseng: I've got "active-element" with the name of the wrong sound card. | 08:03 |
| tseng | tuhl: than people are making stuff up. | 08:03 |
| tseng | anyway the beagle package is pretty broken | 08:04 |
| tseng | pkern: huh, just window_{height,width} here | 08:04 |
| tuhl | tseng: beagle-query works | 08:04 |
| tseng | ok well best uses firefox to render html snippets | 08:04 |
| shaya | Treenaks: never mind | 08:05 |
| shaya | I'm an idiot | 08:05 |
| shaya | somehow pgp got checked | 08:05 |
| tseng | it needs rebuilt against the latest firefox | 08:05 |
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| tseng | among other things | 08:05 |
| shaya | that dialog should be clearer: "PGP Signing: Trying to unlock key for ...." | 08:05 |
| elmo | mdke: grr | 08:06 |
| \sh | oh damn... | 08:06 |
| elmo | mdke: hint, IRC is a lossy medium, don't use it to chase people | 08:07 |
| pkern | tseng: That's in the ui folder below. But then I haven't yet checked if it worked. It's a breezy->dapper dist-upgraded install anyway. On breezy it did indeed work with the right sound card, on dapper it did not. | 08:07 |
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| tuhl | tseng: who will recompile it? | 08:08 |
| mdke | elmo, right. I can mail you, or you can reply directly to my mail to -devel today | 08:10 |
| elmo | mdke: or you could have mailed in the first place | 08:10 |
| mdke | elmo, since I didn't, I can do it now | 08:10 |
| elmo | mdke: instead of uselessly pinging repeatedly on IRC, which I only just saw as I was going through the sync backlog | 08:10 |
| elmo | mdke: doing it now isn't remotely helpful after you've just complained loudly to the world | 08:11 |
| mdke | elmo, it's not a private thing, nor is it a blaming thing. I just want to discuss it | 08:12 |
| elmo | mdke: no you want to complain | 08:12 |
| mdke | elmo, I don't, I want a solution | 08:12 |
| mdke | i wouldn't complain, I'm not paying anyone to do anything for me | 08:13 |
| elmo | mdke: you're either delusional or being dishonest | 08:13 |
| elmo | if you don't see how your post amounts to complaining and not very usefully at that | 08:13 |
| mdke | i disagree | 08:13 |
| mdke | the system doesn't work, i wanted to ask if there is an alternative system | 08:14 |
| tuhl | will we see ekiga in dapper? | 08:14 |
| elmo | the system demonstrably does work because you're using it | 08:14 |
| elmo | changes don't happen as fast as you'd like | 08:14 |
| elmo | which I accept, but when you can't even be bothered to ping us over anything but IRC I have very little sympathy for you complaining like this | 08:15 |
| mdke | elmo, right. There's no point arguing about the definition of "work" because it depends on your point of view | 08:15 |
| mdke | elmo, i've sent about 5 mails to RT | 08:15 |
| elmo | no you haven't | 08:15 |
| elmo | I just checked | 08:15 |
| mdke | before and in between pinging on irc | 08:15 |
| mdke | ok, they are not arriving then | 08:15 |
| elmo | there are two tickets open, and one of them has the initial mail and a ping | 08:15 |
| elmo | and the other has the initial mail | 08:15 |
| elmo | well that's convenient isn't it | 08:16 |
| mdke | meh | 08:16 |
| mdke | you're too excited about this, i just want a solution | 08:16 |
| slomo_ | tuhl: afaik yes... dholbach wanted to do it | 08:16 |
| elmo | I'm not even remotely excited about this, trust me | 08:17 |
| mdke | elmo, ok, so let's stop looking for blame | 08:17 |
| elmo | mdke: too late for that after your useful post | 08:17 |
| elmo | but thanks for playing the "I wasn't trying to blame anyone" game | 08:17 |
| mdke | elmo, i said in my mail that the reasons the system is slow are perfectly understandable. I can't be more clearer than that. | 08:17 |
| Diziet | seb128: ping | 08:17 |
| mdke | gah, "more clearer" | 08:17 |
| Diziet | seb128: Did you say you'd rebuilt yelp to work with recent ff ? | 08:18 |
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| seb128 | Diziet: pong, dholbach was on it (and doing a new version too) | 08:19 |
| Diziet | Oh, right. So it's not known to work atm ? | 08:19 |
| dholbach | Diziet: Is it on AMD64 already? | 08:19 |
| Diziet | The new ff ? It will be on ff as soon as I upload it. | 08:19 |
| dholbach | s/it/a new working version | 08:19 |
| dholbach | ah right. | 08:19 |
| Diziet | But I promised seb128 I'd test my upload with yelp. | 08:20 |
| dholbach | Well the thing I build yesterday evening was crashy. | 08:20 |
| Diziet | And currently it doesn't (on i386, that is). | 08:20 |
| dholbach | Horrible on AMD64, not-really-usable on i386. | 08:20 |
| Diziet | crashy on amd64> We think that's an esd problem - see scrool. | 08:20 |
| Diziet | Oh, you mean yelp was crashy ? | 08:20 |
| dholbach | Yes, the new one. | 08:20 |
| dholbach | I can upload a package to rookery, if you want to play with it. | 08:21 |
| Diziet | Oh. Well on my testbed it fails to find libgtkembedmoz.so. | 08:21 |
| dholbach | (the new one that is) | 08:21 |
| Diziet | No, I just want you to say you don't mind if I upload my latest ff even though yelp doesn't work with it. | 08:21 |
| Diziet | The previous ff doesn't work with yelp either. | 08:21 |
| Diziet | That is, with yelp from current dapper. | 08:21 |
| dholbach | Diziet: Go ahead, I will retry then. | 08:21 |
| Diziet | OK. | 08:21 |
| dholbach | Cool, I'll keep you updated. | 08:21 |
| janimo | Znarl, re the https lists.u.c that jdub brought up earlier | 08:22 |
| Znarl | janimo : Yes? | 08:24 |
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| janimo | anything holding it up? | 08:24 |
| janimo | it dtil doesn't work here | 08:24 |
| janimo | still | 08:24 |
| pkern | tseng: You were right. There's no schema for it in gconf, just the value. | 08:24 |
| pkern | And gnome-volume-properties calls a Removable Drives and Media Preferences window onto the desktop *cough* | 08:25 |
| Znarl | janimo : I will let you know when it's done. | 08:25 |
| janimo | Znarl, thanks. | 08:26 |
| Mithrandir | ok, I rock. | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet/pitti: I got firefox working with esddsp | 08:27 |
| Diziet | Oh, good :-). | 08:27 |
| Diziet | My upload to disable it is on the way :-). | 08:28 |
| \sh | I need another beer... | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: a trivial mutex around the dsp_init in esddsp.c seems to at least let firefox start. | 08:28 |
| Diziet | Excellent. | 08:28 |
| Diziet | esddsp.c is in esddsp or in ff ? | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | esound | 08:28 |
| Diziet | Right. | 08:28 |
| Diziet | Well, I'll revert the disablement next upload then. | 08:29 |
| Diziet | I assume you'll upload new esound ? | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: either way works, I guess. | 08:29 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: I was going to get pitti to do it, but if he's not responding soon, I'll just do it. | 08:29 |
| Diziet | Better to fix it than to disable it I think. | 08:29 |
| Diziet | OK. Whatever you like. Anyway, it's time I was going. Thanks for your investigations ! | 08:31 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: do you want to fix it, or should I just upload the changes I have? | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: also, why are you calling configure with --disable-xprint, but build-dep on libxp-dev? | 08:34 |
| Diziet | Mistake. | 08:34 |
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| Mithrandir | ok | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | fixed, or do you want a bug about it? | 08:35 |
| Diziet | I've added it to my list (on paper!) here, and will fix it next upload. No need for a bug unless you feel like it. | 08:35 |
| Diziet | Thanks for pointing it out. | 08:35 |
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| Mithrandir | ok, fine. Just trying to make it not get lost. | 08:36 |
| Diziet | Quite so. | 08:36 |
| janimo | Dizier, add the deb on libnss3 on the paper too :) thanks | 08:36 |
| janimo | dep not deb | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | I wonder why this dsp bug didn't show itself on i386, though. Maybe nobody has tried on an SMP machine. | 08:36 |
| Diziet | janimo: Already fixed in today's upload. | 08:36 |
| janimo | Diziet, ok thanks | 08:36 |
| Diziet | mithrandir: Or maybe the race comes out differently. | 08:36 |
| Diziet | janimo: NP. It was on the paper already, you see :-). | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: strange that it should be dependent on architecture. | 08:36 |
| Diziet | Races are allowed to depend on the phase of the moon :-). | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | well, true. | 08:37 |
| Diziet | Anyway, I'm going to stop work now. Thanks for your help and I'll check scrool tomorrow morning so feel free to `Diziet: ...' things and I'll see them. Or email me. | 08:37 |
| Diziet | Goodnight. | 08:37 |
| seb128 | Diziet: sorry I was away. Just upload firefox we will manage, thanks for trying/asking before :) | 08:37 |
| Diziet | NP | 08:37 |
| seb128 | see you later ! | 08:38 |
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| janimo | seb128, you mentioned in todays meeting something needed being done to gdm but no time | 08:38 |
| zul | hmmm...interesting yelp crashes if i try to go about->ubuntu | 08:39 |
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| dholbach | janimo: DapperDesktopPlan | 08:42 |
| === dholbach hugs janimo btw | ||
| dholbach | :) | 08:43 |
| janimo | thanks daniel | 08:43 |
| === janimo hugs daniel | ||
| janimo | and murphy :) | 08:43 |
| dholbach | ... sleeping :) | 08:43 |
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| janimo | dholbach, the GdmRoadmap link is broken on that page, but I read the rest | 08:45 |
| dholbach | Yeah | 08:45 |
| dholbach | UDU/GdmRoadmap maybe | 08:45 |
| ulaas | eieeeeeek. my x screwed. please tell me it is fixed already :) | 08:46 |
| crimsun | elmo: please sync xastir from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes | 08:47 |
| dilinger | ah, sweet! daniels just fixed xserver-xorg | 08:48 |
| ulaas | yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 08:48 |
| seb128 | re | 08:48 |
| ulaas | did it hit the servers? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | janimo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDesktopPlan | 08:49 |
| dilinger | of course, it still tries to run /usr/bin/X11/X, which doesn't exist | 08:50 |
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| ulaas | dilinger: oh. nooooo. | 08:50 |
| janimo | seb128, and what do you think is the best way to chose different themes depending on ubuntu variant? | 08:51 |
| janimo | I see ogra needs such feature and I do too | 08:52 |
| dilinger | and xserver-xorg contains /usr/X11R6/bin/X, which is a symlink to /usr/bin/X (which doesn't exist) | 08:52 |
| seb128 | janimo: making a patch to add a such feature | 08:52 |
| dilinger | and i can't message him because this irc network is lame | 08:52 |
| ogra | janimo, i think adding a commandline option to gdmsetup or writing a own commandlien binary using the code from gdmsetup to modify the config is the way to go | 08:53 |
| ogra | seb128, ^^ | 08:53 |
| janimo | ogra I thought so too, but it would be maybe better to pass not just the theme but the location of the config file | 08:53 |
| janimo | what do you think | 08:54 |
| janimo | it would be even better if the gdm.conf file could handle includes | 08:54 |
| janimo | so we don't have essentially similar files with just one line changed | 08:54 |
| janimo | I though maybe not gdmsetup, but have gdm have the config file name taken form and env var if exists or fall back to the hardcoded name | 08:55 |
| janimo | but maybe upstream has a better idea | 08:55 |
| ogra | yes thats pretty upstreamish ... | 08:56 |
| ulaas | ls | 08:56 |
| ulaas | ooops. please fix x. otherwise i will be sending console commands all the time.. | 08:57 |
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| dilinger | ah-ha | 09:02 |
| dilinger | cd /usr/bin && ln -s Xorg X | 09:03 |
| dilinger | that fixes the broken X symlink issue | 09:03 |
| janimo | ogra , gdm --help | 09:04 |
| ulaas | dilinger: is it safe when the package gets fixed? | 09:04 |
| janimo | --config=CONFIGFILE Alternative configuration file | 09:04 |
| janimo | we may use this? | 09:04 |
| janimo | make /etc/init.d/gdm call gdm with a variant specific config location | 09:04 |
| ogra | then you would have to rewrite the initscript i guess | 09:04 |
| janimo | sure | 09:04 |
| ogra | hmm | 09:04 |
| dilinger | ulaas: ? | 09:04 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: (sorry, was at dinner) | 09:04 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I don't sit on esound, if you have fixed it, go ahead ;) | 09:05 |
| ogra | /etc/default/gdm could carry such a thing | 09:05 |
| janimo | or even /etc/defaults/gdm | 09:05 |
| janimo | :) | 09:05 |
| ogra | :) | 09:05 |
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| dilinger | ulaas: dist-upgrading to the latest dapper, installing xserver-xorg, and making that symlink makes stuff work for me | 09:05 |
| dilinger | where "stuff" is X :) | 09:05 |
| dilinger | (gdm) | 09:05 |
| ogra | then its an easy scripting task | 09:05 |
| mjg59 | Argh why has gnome-power-manager broken again | 09:05 |
| janimo | right, no need to bother upstream or add patched | 09:05 |
| mjg59 | ** (gnome-power-manager:5954): CRITICAL **: HAL does not have PowerManagement capability | 09:05 |
| ogra | janimo, lets do it like that ... | 09:05 |
| ogra | mjg59, i didnt upload a new version yet | 09:06 |
| janimo | ogra, good, do it and I'll use it too ;) | 09:06 |
| ulaas | dilinger: sure man. i just wanted make sure that a when this issue gets fixed that i hope that symlink is safe in case i forgot it there. | 09:06 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Does new hal need new g-p-m? | 09:06 |
| ogra | mjg59, 0.3.4 is at hughsies desk currently, seems one function he wrote doesnt return from glib | 09:06 |
| ogra | it shoudlnt ... but i'm not sure | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Well, it's broken since I upgraded | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | (With the above error) | 09:07 |
| ogra | currently i cant even test, it simply segfaults | 09:07 |
| dilinger | ulaas: oh, i have no idea. i'd like to talk to daniels about it, but i don't feel like dealing w/ freenode registration | 09:07 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Can you drop back to 0.3.1 and take a look at that? | 09:07 |
| dilinger | ah, he's on oftc | 09:07 |
| ogra | mjg59, i want it fixed before monday, but i have to go to a conference in about 12h | 09:08 |
| ogra | (and didnt sleep much last night ...) | 09:08 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 09:08 |
| ogra | i wont be able to look at it before sunday | 09:08 |
| dilinger | wasm | 09:09 |
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| dilinger | wasn't there some gui wireless access point finder thingy for gnome? is that in dapper? | 09:09 |
| dholbach | network-services? wifi-radar? | 09:09 |
| mjg59 | dilinger: There's NetworkManager, but since my last dist-upgrade it's started crashing whenever it connects | 09:09 |
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| dilinger | mjg59: ah. that doesn't seem to actually do anything for me | 09:13 |
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| dilinger | oh, nevermind | 09:19 |
| dilinger | it did break my /etc/resolv.conf | 09:19 |
| dilinger | so it does *something* ;p | 09:19 |
| ogra | yeah, thats n-m :) | 09:21 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Ok, new hal requires new g-p-m | 09:24 |
| mjg59 | So the one in the archive currently is broken | 09:24 |
| ogra | ok | 09:24 |
| ogra | but new g-p-m segfaults :( | 09:24 |
| ogra | evil situatuion after it worked so nice for so long | 09:24 |
| Znarl | janimo : Fixed now. | 09:25 |
| janimo | Znarl, thanks | 09:25 |
| dilinger | interesting | 09:26 |
| dilinger | it does list access points in the pulldown for the wireless card's if properties | 09:26 |
| dilinger | well, at least the one essid that's on this floor | 09:26 |
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| pkern | Who's the Ubuntu contact in the launchpad for confidental security bugs? | 09:29 |
| pitti | pkern: me | 09:30 |
| pitti | pkern: or, rather, security@ubuntu.com | 09:30 |
| pkern | pitti: k. | 09:30 |
| dholbach | pkern: In Launchpad bugs can be marked as confidential as well. | 09:30 |
| pkern | dholbach: Yep, that's why I needed the Cc address | 09:35 |
| dholbach | pitti: <fejj> yea, I'm going to make a 1.5.10 release of g-v-m shortly | 09:36 |
| pitti | with that stupid crash fixed? | 09:37 |
| pkern | Hm. What's the correct value for "distribution"? It doesn't accept "breezy" nor does the popup find something. | 09:37 |
| pitti | dholbach: cool, I already wanted to upload a workaround | 09:37 |
| pitti | pkern: Ubuntu | 09:37 |
| pitti | pkern: breezy is a release | 09:37 |
| pkern | Doesn't work anyway, it bails out. ;) | 09:39 |
| pitti | elmo: btw, if you remove a package from ubuntu (like the mozilla-firefox-*), does it automatically land on the sync blacklist? | 09:40 |
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| LaserJock | the latest xorg updates want me to get rid of vnc4server, will I be able to reinstall it after it is removed? | 09:46 |
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| pkern | Perhaps anyone could fix mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail, so that people using it could update to 1.5 ;) | 09:51 |
| dholbach | pkern: If I understood correctly, infinity wanted to do that once he got off the plan and managed the jetlag. | 09:51 |
| pitti | mdz: does syncing a new upstream version from debian fall under 'complete merges' or UVF? | 09:52 |
| pkern | dholbach: Fine. Thanks. (: | 09:52 |
| pitti | mdz: poppler 0.4.4 integrates the recent security updates and thus allows us to drop the patch | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | pkern: the changelog says you can use the enigmail binaries for now | 09:53 |
| mdz | pitti: either way, it requires an exception now | 09:53 |
| pitti | mdz: ah, I see | 09:53 |
| mdz | pitti: if it's a bugfix-only release I'm unlikely to object | 09:53 |
| pitti | mdz: I want to do another poppler bugfix, so I need an -ubuntu upload anyway | 09:54 |
| pitti | mdz: I'll take a look at the upstream changelog | 09:54 |
| dilinger | mjg59: i guess this should be an obvious thing, but maybe i'm hitting a bug or something.. how on earth do you unsuspend an x40? :P | 09:54 |
| dholbach | dilinger: press the power button? | 09:55 |
| ogra | or attach a 380V powerline, but note that this wakes it up only shortly :) | 09:55 |
| dilinger | dholbach: yea, i would've thought that would work..but no love | 09:56 |
| ogra | did you suspend or hibernate it ? | 09:56 |
| dilinger | suspend | 10:00 |
| dilinger | well, the suspend button | 10:00 |
| dilinger | which looks like it made it hibernate | 10:00 |
| dilinger | but regardless, i can't seem to wake it up now | 10:00 |
| ogra | hmm, remove the battery ? | 10:00 |
| ogra | (hard reset) | 10:01 |
| pitti | mdz: the new release includes all recent xpdf security patches and a bugfix in the jpeg decoder | 10:01 |
| pitti | mdz: oh, and a build system bug fix | 10:01 |
| mdz | pitti: fine by me | 10:01 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 10:01 |
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| seb128 | mdz: any objection to a libxine1c2 to libxine-main transition now? (package splitted to libxine-main libxine-extracodecs, libxine1c2 beeing universe Depends on both ... that allow updates from 5.10 without dropping features for people using universe), slomo did the packages changes for it | 10:18 |
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| teroedni | will the new init.d/hdparm break anything | 10:22 |
| teroedni | please answer...i dont wanna reinastall a third time | 10:22 |
| teroedni | Thanks for all answers:) | 10:22 |
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| dholbach | teroedni: It might be cleverer to read bug reports, or scan the relevant mailing lists than flaming around here. | 10:24 |
| dholbach | seb128: libmusicbrainz merge done :) | 10:25 |
| seb128 | dholbach: you rock :) | 10:25 |
| dholbach | Merci. | 10:25 |
| teroedni | dholbach:oh right sorry :( | 10:25 |
| dholbach | seb128: Qu'est-ce que vous gens dit en franais pour "somebody rocks"? :-) | 10:26 |
| seb128 | "t'assures" :) | 10:26 |
| pkern | "vous gens dit"? ;) | 10:26 |
| daniels | seb128: bon soir baguette croissant | 10:27 |
| pkern | lol | 10:27 |
| seb128 | daniels: s/bon soir/bonsoir | 10:27 |
| daniels | dang | 10:27 |
| seb128 | daniels: et c'est pas l'heure du petit dj :) | 10:27 |
| tseng | erm | 10:27 |
| daniels | seb128: parlez vous c'est la vie? | 10:28 |
| tseng | dholbach: nicht werstehen was Sie sagen :) | 10:28 |
| dholbach | hahahahaha | 10:28 |
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| pkern | Hihi. | 10:28 |
| tseng | :D | 10:28 |
| stratus | duvido que entendam portugues :) | 10:28 |
| seb128 | tseng: du must french gesprochen | 10:28 |
| tseng | seb128: nein! | 10:28 |
| dholbach | seb128: LOL! :) | 10:28 |
| seb128 | :p | 10:29 |
| tseng | must i think is nehmen or something | 10:29 |
| seb128 | daniels: ca veut rien dire ta phrase :) | 10:29 |
| tseng | ich muss | 10:29 |
| daniels | itisi | 10:30 |
| dholbach | Is the conversation of the last 4 minutes an example of why we don't do 2 week conferences? :-) | 10:30 |
| daniels | nai poroja | 10:30 |
| pkern | Possiamo parlare anche un po' d'italiano? ;) | 10:30 |
| daniels | dang | 10:30 |
| daniels | i mean, itisi nai poroja | 10:30 |
| stratus | pkern, yes (and i really can understand you but i don't speak italian) | 10:31 |
| pkern | stratus: I wouldn't say that I do. Heh. (= | 10:32 |
| stratus | pkern, lol | 10:33 |
| pkern | stratus: I had some Italian and French at school, sufficient to survive, but probably not much more left. (= | 10:33 |
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| pkern | So a `ln -s Xorg X' in /usr/bin is currently needed, good to know. | 10:38 |
| TerminX | I hate to bother you good people, but is there a fix for the broken Thunderbird in Dapper, or should I just downgrade? | 10:39 |
| Burgwork | TerminX, downgrade for now | 10:39 |
| TerminX | so I'm not the only one who can't compose? :) | 10:39 |
| Burgwork | TerminX, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/005040.html | 10:40 |
| Burgwork | TerminX, that might be your bug | 10:40 |
| TerminX | hm | 10:40 |
| TerminX | Tbird runs for me, but if I try to compose a message it tells me "An error occurred while creating a message compose window. Please try again." | 10:41 |
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| Burgwork | TerminX, please file a bug | 10:42 |
| mdz | seb128: sounds ok, how many packages affected? | 10:51 |
| TerminX | Burgwork: heh, oops, too late.. purge and reinstall fixed it | 10:52 |
| seb128 | mdz: 2 packages for main, 10 for universe | 10:53 |
| mdz | seb128: yeah, no problem | 10:54 |
| seb128 | mdz: cool, thanks | 10:54 |
| seb128 | slomo_: go for it :) | 10:54 |
| slomo_ | ok, fine :) i'll upload in ~1 hour, need to get some food before ;) | 10:55 |
| seb128 | mdz: BTW about poppler we will need poppler 0.5, evince guys will require it for GNOME 2.14 | 10:58 |
| mdz | seb128: is it released yet? | 10:59 |
| pitti | if it's approved, then I'll upload 0.5 right away instead of 0.44. | 10:59 |
| pitti | 0.4.4, even | 10:59 |
| seb128 | mdz: poppler 0.5 is, evince 0.5 will come today | 10:59 |
| mdz | ok | 10:59 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:59 |
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| dholbach | apt-get.org build finished | 11:01 |
| dholbach | 450 good, 733 bad | 11:01 |
| dholbach | 26 repos gave 404 error | 11:01 |
| dholbach | WOW | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: so what does that mean? | 11:02 |
| dholbach | I will review around 450 packages. | 11:02 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, that's a lot. | 11:03 |
| dholbach | and if one or the other of 733 sounds interesting and I'm not tired enough, I'll try fixing it. | 11:03 |
| seb128 | :) | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I had riddle fix one of those a little while back | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | Riddell I mean | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: is it ok for us to be fixing those apt-get.org packages? | 11:04 |
| dholbach | If somebody wants to help me review, I appreciate that, but I'd like it better, if we could get the REVU stuff sorted out until FeatureFreeze. | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I would volunteer to help, if you want me to. I'm not sure if I'd be much help though. | 11:06 |
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| dholbach | LaserJock: We can have a look together and see how good it works. Thanks for the offer. | 11:07 |
| mjg59 | dilinger: Power button or FN key | 11:07 |
| lucas | dholbach: please ask for the removal of ruby-gnuplot instead of importing it please | 11:08 |
| dholbach | lucas: removal? | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | lucas: it shouldn't be imported since the apt-get.org version hasn't changed | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I got lucas to do a new package for Debian | 11:08 |
| lucas | yeah, it's a very old version | 11:08 |
| lucas | like 2001 | 11:08 |
| lucas | I packaged it inside debian and hope to get it in before FF | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | but the name is different, right | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | so we should ask for removal of the old one | 11:09 |
| lucas | yeah, but the binary package name will conflict | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: so who do we ask about removal? | 11:10 |
| dholbach | elmo | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | lol, shoulda known. I was thinking that. | 11:11 |
| dholbach | :-) | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | I must be psychic | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | elmo, is the answer to most of the questions I ask here ;-) | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | s/,// | 11:12 |
| dholbach | I'll call it the day. Have a nice evening. | 11:15 |
| lucas | you too | 11:15 |
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| mdz | seb128: are you mostly using the email interface or the web interface? | 11:24 |
| mdz | (for malone) | 11:25 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | elmo: I made some sync requests by email awhile ago that haven't appeared on dapper-changes, want me to resend? | 11:53 |
| elmo | zope-theworld? | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:55 |
| elmo | ok, found it sorry, doing | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 11:56 |
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