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| trojkolka | i got a problem and i know there is a lot in google about this topic but those ' solutions' doesnt help for me :( My windows share content cannot be viewed. I can access my ubuntu computer with windows xp but the otherway around is quite impossible still ubuntu finds my computer but cannot access it | 02:25 |
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| trojkolka | does anyone has a working solution? | 02:25 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Sat Jan 14 15:41:04 2006 | ||
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| === Burgundavia kicks the wiki\ | ||
| === Kyral hears the Wiki cry out in pain | ||
| Burgundavia | Kyral, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMac <-- can you try and move that to Ubuntu.Mac ? | 06:30 |
| Kyral | no | 06:32 |
| Kyral | I mean it doesn't work | 06:32 |
| Kyral | but changing it to "Ubuntu.mac" works :p | 06:32 |
| Burgundavia | it needs to .Mac | 06:33 |
| Burgundavia | bloody hell, @#$!@#$$# wiki | 06:33 |
| Kyral | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_%2eMac | 06:33 |
| Burgundavia | Kyral, none of those help because of this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-dot-mac | 06:34 |
| Kyral | Then change the spec? | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | can't, no edit rights | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | plus lots of people have linked to Ubuntu.Mac now | 06:35 |
| Kyral | Which doesn't exist lol | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | which I just recreated | 06:36 |
| Kyral | huh? | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | we hit digg and linuxtoday with that | 06:37 |
| Kyral | I changed the name back | 06:37 |
| Kyral | eh? | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | I made .Mac redirect to Mac | 06:37 |
| Kyral | ah | 06:39 |
| Kyral | I almost put "Because Corey Told Me To" in the reason for renaming ;P | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | hey, fair enough | 06:39 |
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| Burgundavia | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-01-18-034-26-NW-DB-HL <--- aw bloody hell | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | bloody hell, 2 of the top for hits on digg under linux/unix are that ubuntguide reborn and the .Mac stuff | 06:42 |
| robitaille | which tells you that the masses think they like "easy/simple" guides and a concept like the .Mac for linux... | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | stupidity of the crowd, anyone? | 06:44 |
| === Burgundavia is in a foul mood | ||
| Kyral | nwo I am too | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | someone commented at linuxtoday about the dangers of doing all your thinking in the open | 06:45 |
| Kyral | We were SUPPOSED to do our lab build on Ubuntu | 06:45 |
| Kyral | I had metapackages and everything rerady | 06:45 |
| Kyral | and in like an hour, the day before we are supposed to install the build, they change it over to Fedora | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | ugh, you poor man | 06:46 |
| === Burgundavia is subjected to FC4 at work | ||
| Kyral | I wanna SCREEM | 06:46 |
| Kyral | I wanna KILL them | 06:46 |
| Kyral | Its like "I did all this work, then then BAM!" | 06:47 |
| robitaille | I'm the other way at work, we are finally getting a couple of Ubuntu boxes...the rest of the linux boxes are Mandrake | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | who made the decision? | 06:47 |
| Kyral | the team lead | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | why so late? | 06:47 |
| Kyral | I HAVE NO IDEA | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, Ubuntu or Kubuntu? | 06:47 |
| Kyral | "there were some issues about Devel stuff" | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | the guys at VLUG attack me all the time, claiming that they cannot get a kernel to compile on Ubuntu | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | I told them to go use Gentoo and shut up | 06:48 |
| robitaille | Ubuntu + kde-desktop on top; users will be able to choose | 06:48 |
| Kyral | thats bullshit | 06:48 |
| Kyral | I custom compiled 15 kernels | 06:48 |
| Kyral | with GCC 4 mind you :D | 06:48 |
| Kyral | We target Joe Sixpack so much that we annilate the geeks | 06:49 |
| Kyral | like not installing Build-Essential by default | 06:49 |
| Burgundavia | geeks can find it and the rest of us have more secure machines | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | and my stock answer "Nothing is stopping from using Gentoo" | 06:50 |
| Kyral | I'm trying to gain Ubuntu resepct... | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | which I usually followup with "Just don't give Gentoo to your mother" | 06:50 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: ping? | 08:56 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: :) | 08:56 |
| robotgeek | the wiki seems terribly slow, sigh | 09:19 |
| robotgeek | wow, as soon as i complain, it opens up. :) | 09:19 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: ping | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: pong | 09:34 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, i found about 5 different articles on package building, with various details | 09:34 |
| robotgeek | now, i know there's a package building guide underway, so what should i do | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | hmm that would depend on the relevance of the content | 09:35 |
| robotgeek | hmm, we already have a CompileSoftware page | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | im not familiar with the subject matter though | 09:37 |
| robotgeek | this should probably take it to the next step, to sort of mak packages the Ubuntu way, may provide a gentle introduction | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | so i can't make an educated guess at least | 09:37 |
| robotgeek | hmm, i would have edited the NetworkPrinter* articles, however I am not sure of the subject matter | 09:38 |
| robotgeek | CreateDebPackageHowto CreatePackageFromSourcePackage HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch (the most detailed) HowtoCreateNewPackages PackageBuilding | 09:39 |
| robotgeek | damn, LaserJock_away is away :) | 09:39 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: thanks anyways, i'll stay away from them as well :) | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | np sorry im not to keen on editing docs im not familiar with | 09:44 |
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| robotgeek | i know tha basics, not too much. i'll move on to the GPG articles :) | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, pong | 09:53 |
| robotgeek | if an article links to the forums, what should i do? (any licensing issues?) | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, no problem | 09:53 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: nvm i already forgot | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, rofl | 09:54 |
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| robotgeek | Burgundavia: cool | 09:54 |
| robotgeek | where are you folks from? so i can get an understanding of timezones etc | 09:55 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, utc -8 (west coast Canada) Madpilot, robitaille and I live in the same city | 09:56 |
| robotgeek | I'm utc -6 so, not much of a time difference (TX) | 09:56 |
| mdke | utc +0 | 09:56 |
| jsgotangco | im in +8 but just ignore me i can go to meetings anyways | 09:56 |
| robotgeek | my weird schedule puts me right in sync with mdke and jsgotangco :) | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock is -8 (-7) | 09:58 |
| robotgeek | hmm, i think i should start working in "regular" hours | 09:58 |
| robotgeek | okay, back to editing articles then. | 10:00 |
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| poningru | oh jeez | 10:26 |
| poningru | ubuntuguide is back | 10:26 |
| mdke | yes | 10:27 |
| mdke | although the url hasn't been moved | 10:27 |
| mdke | there must be about 5 ubuntuguides around the place | 10:27 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: really, let's just move it to our server pronto or use bzr | 11:20 |
| jsgotangco | fine :) | 11:21 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Sat Jan 14 15:41:04 2006 | ||
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| jjesse | doc team meeting today? | 02:31 |
| jjesse | i always forget | 02:31 |
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| jjesse | morning jsgotangco | 04:42 |
| jjesse | or whatever time of day it is for you :) | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | just a few minutes before it hits friday | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | how's your week going? | 04:43 |
| jjesse | going well, chatting with someone on #kubuntu-devel that wants to look at gettign started on kubuntu-docs :) | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | were you able to receive the email about the germain translation/ | 04:44 |
| jjesse | umm checking mail | 04:44 |
| jjesse | hmmm must have missed it | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | crap i've missed you guys | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | let me reforward it again | 04:46 |
| jjesse | grin | 04:46 |
| jjesse | you all moved now? | 04:46 |
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| jjesse | welcome perofal | 04:46 |
| perofal | :) | 04:47 |
| jjesse | jsgotangco: perofal is looking to help w/ ubuntu/kubuntu docs | 04:47 |
| jjesse | we were talking on #kubuntu-devel | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse: forwarded | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | ohhhhhh | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | well let's see what happens after mdke sent an email/rant/whatever about svn access | 04:47 |
| jjesse | i enjoyed that email, thought "about time that was sent" :) | 04:48 |
| perofal | :-) | 04:48 |
| jjesse | feature freeze started correct? | 04:49 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 04:49 |
| jsgotangco | we'll be able to make solid changes already that's in for sure | 04:50 |
| jjesse | now to tackle the quicjguide :) | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | i think we can make better progress if we focus on just 2 docs for now imo | 04:53 |
| jsgotangco | what do you think? | 04:53 |
| perofal | ... looks like I have to change to dapper drake | 04:53 |
| jjesse | what 2 docs would you suggest? | 04:54 |
| jjesse | the releasenotes are "done" | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | update the kquickguide | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:55 |
| perofal | I will install dapper drake in 2 hrs | 04:55 |
| perofal | ok? | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | i've just finished downloading kubuntu flight 3 last night | 04:55 |
| jsgotangco | but i'll take time to install it tommorow | 04:55 |
| jjesse | i was talking about the kquickguide | 04:55 |
| perofal | need to finish some shi** I have the flight 3 iso somewere in my hd :) | 04:55 |
| jjesse | releasenotes are done and now its time for quickguide | 04:56 |
| jsgotangco | damn the upload changes for dapper are updating almost every minute | 04:58 |
| jsgotangco | jjesse: http://www.kubuntu.linuxfuehrerschein.de/doku.php | 04:58 |
| jjesse | i noticed that | 04:58 |
| jjesse | cool | 04:59 |
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| jsgotangco | night | 05:21 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: ping | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: pong heh just in time i was about to sleep | 05:28 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GpgHowto | 05:29 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GpgHowto to replace GPGKey GnuPrivacyGuardHowto | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | can you make a redirect instaed of deleting GPGKey and GnuPrivacyGuardHowto | 05:30 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i was about to delete this page. this was for testing only | 05:31 |
| robotgeek | just redirect GPGKey to GnuPrivacyGaurdHowto | 05:32 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: all done | 05:43 |
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| robotgeek | hey bshumate | 05:45 |
| mdke | hi perofal | 05:51 |
| mdke | welcome | 05:51 |
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| robotgeek | later all, back to bed :) | 05:52 |
| === Ng was just perusing the starter guide... I think I'm gonna try and get involved to help improve it ;) | ||
| mdke | Ng, that would be good. shout if you need any help getting involved | 05:53 |
| Ng | I was just about to ask where to start, but I see a url in the topic | 05:53 |
| Ng | :) | 05:53 |
| perofal | mdke : thankx | 05:53 |
| robotgeek | mdke: GnuPrivacyGuardHowto one more down :) | 05:54 |
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| perofal | mdke : I want to help :) | 05:54 |
| Ng | I've been hanging out in #ubuntu for a while now and there are many many questions that the starter guide could cover that would help people there - assuming it can be made discoverable enough | 05:54 |
| mdke | robotgeek, nice work, albeit with a long name | 05:54 |
| mdke | perofal, that's great. kubuntu docs need your help | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | mdke: hmm, true. can add redirects to make it happen. i want to add one more section before i get it out of CategoryCleanup | 05:55 |
| mdke | how about just remove "Howto" | 05:55 |
| mdke | redirects are confusing when users do searches, don't forget | 05:55 |
| mdke | so we don't want too many unless they are necessary | 05:56 |
| robotgeek | hmm, the searches don't redirect automagically? | 05:56 |
| mdke | if there are two pages, one of which is a redirect, they will appear as two pages if you search on page names | 05:57 |
| mdke | unsurprisingly, because they are two different pages with names | 05:57 |
| mdke | so it's justifiable to have two pages, called GPG and GnuPrivacyGuard, but not pages with the same common search string in the titles | 05:58 |
| robotgeek | true, but the search should probably figure out that one is a redirect to the other, and only display the other | 05:58 |
| mdke | it doesn't | 05:59 |
| mdke | i don't think | 05:59 |
| robotgeek | it doesn't, but it should :) | 05:59 |
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| robotgeek | anyways, the only other page pointing to this one now is GPGKey, so no issues in this case | 06:01 |
| mdke | ah good | 06:01 |
| mdke | maybe just kick the "Howto", if the page is quite young | 06:01 |
| robotgeek | the longer page was called howto, so i merged it into that one. | 06:02 |
| mdke | i mean, delete "Howto" from the page name, leaving it "GnuPrivacyGuard" | 06:03 |
| robotgeek | mdke: okay, will do after i add a section to it. later tonite | 06:03 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: there are atleast 5 articles on the wiki about packaging, if i start putting it together, would you be able to guide me on the technical questions? | 06:04 |
| mdke | :( no response to my email to -devel about svn access | 06:05 |
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| LaserJock | robotgeek: perhaps, I'm still learning myself | 06:07 |
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| Ng | mdke: how should non-members send their proposed updates - like if I want to take a big stick to the starter guide would you want a patch to whatever the source format is, or a fresh copy, or what? :) | 06:08 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I know, they are sooo busy. elmo never got around to syncing quite a few MOTU packages before UVF | 06:08 |
| mdke | Ng, patch to the source yeah. | 06:08 |
| Ng | mdke: split up by section? or just a big lump? | 06:08 |
| mdke | Ng, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute | 06:09 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: hmm, okay. | 06:09 |
| Ng | mdke: ah, thanks | 06:09 |
| mdke | Ng, my advice is to keep it small at first because it will be easier for us to check. For large scale changes, mail the list and discuss your ideas | 06:09 |
| robotgeek | i'll cut paste from the packaging guide too, LaserJock | 06:09 |
| Ng | cool, I like docbook :) | 06:09 |
| Ng | mdke: ok | 06:09 |
| mdke | Ng, welcome aboard | 06:09 |
| Ng | mdke: save that till I actually do something. I do like working with db though and I enjoy and have some experience writing, so I expect to :) | 06:10 |
| mdke | LaserJock, busy is an excuse but it's not really good enough: he promised to do commit requests within 48 hours, and has never ever done it. We need to be able to control it ourselves | 06:10 |
| mdke | Ng, great | 06:10 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I agree | 06:11 |
| mdke | i might play around with setting up an svn archive on the server | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: so you are wanting to put together the wiki pages on packaging into one page? | 06:11 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: the pages there are half baked, not one of them is complete in any respect | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: could you give me a list of them? | 06:12 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: one sec | 06:12 |
| mdke | LaserJock, didn't you compile a list once? | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | mdke, perhaps. oh yes, w.u.c/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources i believe | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | mdke: thanks for reminding me ;-) | 06:15 |
| mdke | robotgeek, ^ | 06:15 |
| robotgeek | CreateDebPackageHowto CreatePackageFromSourcePackage HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch HowtoCreateNewPackages PackageBuilding ( DebootstrapChroot PbuilderHowto are related, but fine ATM) | 06:15 |
| robotgeek | i need to make a firefox thing for that | 06:15 |
| robotgeek | i mean, typing HowtoCreateNewPackages will take me to w.u.c/HowtoCreateNewPackages | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: are they all on the link ^^ ? | 06:16 |
| robotgeek | Not all, i'll add them in then | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: ok, great | 06:18 |
| robotgeek | nice, the firefox thing to do that was easy :) | 06:19 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: done | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: I'm sure at least some of those wiki pages can be merge together | 06:23 |
| robotgeek | I'll just work on putting those 5/6 pages together in a sane way | 06:23 |
| robotgeek | i do all of my editing offline, so no issues. (can't type without vim ) | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: ok, there is two different packaging's going on | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: one is packaging for personal use (checkinstall) | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: and the other is packaging for inclusion in Ubuntu (much more involved) | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: you might want to try to keep those seperate | 06:25 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yes, i understand that. | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: ok, good | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: have at it! :-) | 06:25 |
| robotgeek | i have mentioned to use CheckInstall method after CompileSoftware | 06:25 |
| robotgeek | so, home users will be happy with that | 06:26 |
| robotgeek | Compiling debs the "right" way is more confusing :) | 06:26 |
| robotgeek | it's a good opportunity to get all my information right | 06:27 |
| robotgeek | later LaserJock | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | cya robotgeek_zzz | 06:34 |
| jjesse | about the starter guide wasn't that getting roled into the desktopguide? | 06:58 |
| Burgwork | jjesse, yes | 07:00 |
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| jjesse | does anyone know the status of desktopguide then? | 07:09 |
| Burgwork | rob stoffers was working on it, but he apparently is awol right now | 07:10 |
| jjesse | thats what i was afraid of | 07:10 |
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