[02:25] <trojkolka> i got a problem and i know there is a lot in google about this topic but those ' solutions'  doesnt help for me :( My windows share content cannot be viewed. I can access my ubuntu computer with windows xp but the otherway around is quite impossible still ubuntu finds my computer but cannot access it
[02:25] <trojkolka> does anyone has a working solution?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> Kyral, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMac <-- can you try and move that to Ubuntu.Mac ?
[06:32] <Kyral> no
[06:32] <Kyral> I mean it doesn't work
[06:32] <Kyral> but changing it to "Ubuntu.mac" works :p
[06:33] <Burgundavia> it needs to .Mac
[06:33] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, @#$!@#$$# wiki
[06:33] <Kyral> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_%2eMac
[06:34] <Burgundavia> Kyral, none of those help because of this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-dot-mac
[06:34] <Kyral> Then change the spec?
[06:34] <Burgundavia> can't, no edit rights
[06:35] <Burgundavia> plus lots of people have linked to Ubuntu.Mac now
[06:36] <Kyral> Which doesn't exist lol
[06:36] <Burgundavia> which I just recreated
[06:37] <Kyral> huh?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> we hit digg and linuxtoday with that
[06:37] <Kyral> I changed the name back
[06:37] <Kyral> eh?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> I made .Mac redirect to Mac
[06:39] <Kyral> ah
[06:39] <Kyral> I almost put "Because Corey Told Me To" in the reason for renaming ;P
[06:39] <Burgundavia> hey, fair enough
[06:40] <Burgundavia> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-01-18-034-26-NW-DB-HL <--- aw bloody hell
[06:42] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, 2 of the top for hits on digg under linux/unix are that ubuntguide reborn and the .Mac stuff
[06:43] <robitaille> which tells you that the masses think they like "easy/simple" guides and a concept like the .Mac for linux...
[06:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:44] <Burgundavia> stupidity of the crowd, anyone?
[06:45] <Kyral> nwo I am too
[06:45] <Burgundavia> someone commented at linuxtoday about the dangers of doing all your thinking in the open
[06:45] <Kyral> We were SUPPOSED to do our lab build on Ubuntu
[06:45] <Kyral> I had metapackages and everything rerady
[06:46] <Kyral> and in like an hour, the day before we are supposed to install the build, they change it over to Fedora
[06:46] <Burgundavia> ugh, you poor man
[06:46] <Kyral> I wanna SCREEM
[06:46] <Kyral> I wanna KILL them
[06:47] <Kyral> Its like "I did all this work, then then BAM!"
[06:47] <robitaille> I'm the other way at work, we are finally getting a couple of Ubuntu boxes...the rest of the linux boxes  are Mandrake
[06:47] <Burgundavia> who made the decision?
[06:47] <Kyral> the team lead
[06:47] <Burgundavia> why so late?
[06:47] <Kyral> I HAVE NO IDEA
[06:47] <Burgundavia> robitaille, Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:47] <Kyral> "there were some issues about Devel stuff"
[06:48] <Burgundavia> the guys at VLUG attack me all the time, claiming that they cannot get a kernel to compile on Ubuntu
[06:48] <Burgundavia> I told them to go use Gentoo and shut up
[06:48] <robitaille> Ubuntu + kde-desktop on top;  users will be able to choose
[06:48] <Kyral> thats bullshit
[06:48] <Kyral> I custom compiled 15 kernels
[06:48] <Kyral> with GCC 4 mind you :D
[06:49] <Kyral> We target Joe Sixpack so much that we annilate the geeks
[06:49] <Kyral> like not installing Build-Essential by default
[06:50] <Burgundavia> geeks can find it and the rest of us have more secure machines
[06:50] <Burgundavia> and my stock answer "Nothing is stopping from using Gentoo"
[06:50] <Kyral> I'm trying to gain Ubuntu resepct...
[06:50] <Burgundavia> which I usually followup with "Just don't give Gentoo to your mother"
[08:56] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: ping?
[08:56] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: :)
[09:19] <robotgeek> the wiki seems terribly slow, sigh
[09:19] <robotgeek> wow, as soon as i complain, it opens up. :)
[09:34] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: ping
[09:34] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: pong
[09:34] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: hmm, i found about 5 different articles on package building, with various details
[09:35] <robotgeek> now, i know there's a package building guide underway, so what should i do
[09:35] <jsgotangco> hmm that would depend on the relevance of the content
[09:36] <robotgeek> hmm, we already have a CompileSoftware page
[09:37] <jsgotangco> im not familiar with the subject matter though
[09:37] <robotgeek> this should probably take it to the next step, to sort of mak packages the Ubuntu way, may provide a gentle introduction
[09:37] <jsgotangco> so i can't make an educated guess at least
[09:38] <robotgeek> hmm, i would have edited the NetworkPrinter* articles, however I am not sure of the subject matter
[09:39] <robotgeek> CreateDebPackageHowto CreatePackageFromSourcePackage HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch (the most detailed) HowtoCreateNewPackages PackageBuilding 
[09:39] <robotgeek> damn, LaserJock_away is away :)
[09:42] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: thanks anyways, i'll stay away from them as well :)
[09:44] <jsgotangco> np sorry im not to keen on editing docs im not familiar with
[09:46] <robotgeek> i know tha basics, not too much. i'll move on to the GPG articles :)
[09:53] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, pong
[09:53] <robotgeek> if an article links to the forums, what should i do? (any licensing issues?)
[09:53] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, no problem
[09:54] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: nvm i already forgot
[09:54] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, rofl
[09:54] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: cool
[09:55] <robotgeek> where are you folks from? so i can get an understanding of timezones etc
[09:56] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, utc -8 (west coast Canada) Madpilot, robitaille and I live in the same city
[09:56] <robotgeek> I'm utc -6 so, not much of a time difference (TX)
[09:56] <mdke> utc +0
[09:56] <jsgotangco> im in +8 but just ignore me i can go to meetings anyways
[09:57] <robotgeek> my weird schedule puts me right in sync with mdke and jsgotangco :)
[09:58] <Burgundavia> LaserJock is -8 (-7)
[09:58] <robotgeek> hmm, i think i should start working in "regular" hours
[10:00] <robotgeek> okay, back to editing articles then. 
[10:26] <poningru> oh jeez
[10:26] <poningru> ubuntuguide is back
[10:27] <mdke> yes
[10:27] <mdke> although the url hasn't been moved
[10:27] <mdke> there must be about 5 ubuntuguides around the place
[11:20] <jsgotangco> mdke: really, let's just move it to our server pronto or use bzr
[11:21] <jsgotangco> fine :)
[02:31] <jjesse> doc team meeting today?
[02:31] <jjesse> i always forget
[04:42] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco 
[04:42] <jjesse> or whatever time of day it is for you :)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:43] <jsgotangco> just a few minutes before it hits friday
[04:43] <jsgotangco> how's your week going?
[04:43] <jjesse> going well, chatting with someone on #kubuntu-devel that wants to look at gettign started on kubuntu-docs :)
[04:44] <jsgotangco> were you able to receive the email about the germain translation/
[04:44] <jjesse> umm checking mail
[04:45] <jjesse> hmmm must have missed it
[04:46] <jsgotangco> crap i've missed you guys
[04:46] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:46] <jsgotangco> let me reforward it again
[04:46] <jjesse> grin
[04:46] <jjesse> you all moved now?
[04:46] <jjesse> welcome perofal
[04:47] <perofal> :)
[04:47] <jjesse> jsgotangco: perofal is looking to help w/ ubuntu/kubuntu docs
[04:47] <jjesse> we were talking on #kubuntu-devel
[04:47] <jsgotangco> jjesse: forwarded
[04:47] <jsgotangco> ohhhhhh
[04:47] <jsgotangco> well let's see what happens after mdke sent an email/rant/whatever about svn access
[04:48] <jjesse> i enjoyed that email, thought "about time that was sent" :)
[04:48] <perofal> :-)
[04:49] <jjesse> feature freeze started correct?
[04:49] <jsgotangco> yep
[04:50] <jsgotangco> we'll be able to make solid changes already that's in for sure
[04:50] <jjesse> now to tackle the quicjguide :)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> i think we can make better progress if we focus on just 2 docs for now imo
[04:53] <jsgotangco> what do you think?
[04:53] <perofal> ... looks like I have to change to dapper drake
[04:54] <jjesse> what 2 docs would you suggest?
[04:54] <jjesse> the releasenotes are "done" 
[04:54] <jsgotangco> update the kquickguide
[04:55] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:55] <perofal> I will install dapper drake in 2 hrs
[04:55] <perofal> ok?
[04:55] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:55] <jsgotangco> i've just finished downloading kubuntu flight 3 last night
[04:55] <jsgotangco> but i'll take time to install it tommorow
[04:55] <jjesse> i was talking about the kquickguide
[04:55] <perofal> need to finish some shi** I have the flight 3  iso somewere in my hd :)
[04:56] <jjesse> releasenotes are done and now its time for quickguide
[04:58] <jsgotangco> damn the upload changes for dapper are updating almost every minute
[04:58] <jsgotangco> jjesse: http://www.kubuntu.linuxfuehrerschein.de/doku.php
[04:58] <jjesse> i noticed that
[04:59] <jjesse> cool
[05:21] <jsgotangco> night
[05:28] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: ping
[05:28] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: pong heh just in time i was about to sleep
[05:29] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GpgHowto 
[05:29] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GpgHowto to replace GPGKey GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[05:30] <jsgotangco> can you make a redirect instaed of deleting GPGKey and GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[05:31] <robotgeek> yeah, i was about to delete this page. this was for testing only
[05:32] <robotgeek> just redirect GPGKey to GnuPrivacyGaurdHowto
[05:43] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: all done
[05:45] <robotgeek> hey bshumate 
[05:51] <mdke> hi perofal 
[05:51] <mdke> welcome
[05:52] <robotgeek> later all, back to bed :)
[05:53] <mdke> Ng, that would be good. shout if you need any help getting involved
[05:53] <Ng> I was just about to ask where to start, but I see a url in the topic
[05:53] <Ng> :)
[05:53] <perofal> mdke : thankx
[05:54] <robotgeek> mdke: GnuPrivacyGuardHowto one more down :)
[05:54] <perofal> mdke : I want to help :) 
[05:54] <Ng> I've been hanging out in #ubuntu for a while now and there are many many questions that the starter guide could cover that would help people there - assuming it can be made discoverable enough
[05:54] <mdke> robotgeek, nice work, albeit with a long name
[05:54] <mdke> perofal, that's great. kubuntu docs need your help
[05:55] <robotgeek> mdke: hmm, true. can add redirects to make it happen. i want to add one more section before i get it out of CategoryCleanup
[05:55] <mdke> how about just remove "Howto"
[05:55] <mdke> redirects are confusing when users do searches, don't forget
[05:56] <mdke> so we don't want too many unless they are necessary
[05:56] <robotgeek> hmm, the searches don't redirect automagically?
[05:57] <mdke> if there are two pages, one of which is a redirect, they will appear as two pages if you search on page names
[05:57] <mdke> unsurprisingly, because they are two different pages with names
[05:58] <mdke> so it's justifiable to have two pages, called GPG and GnuPrivacyGuard, but not pages with the same common search string in the titles
[05:58] <robotgeek> true, but the search should probably figure out that one is a redirect to the other, and only display the other 
[05:59] <mdke> it doesn't
[05:59] <mdke> i don't think
[05:59] <robotgeek> it doesn't, but it should :)
[06:01] <robotgeek> anyways, the only other page pointing to this one now is GPGKey, so no issues in this case
[06:01] <mdke> ah good
[06:01] <mdke> maybe just kick the "Howto", if the page is quite young
[06:02] <robotgeek> the longer page was called howto, so i merged it into that one. 
[06:03] <mdke> i mean, delete "Howto" from the page name, leaving it "GnuPrivacyGuard"
[06:03] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, will do after i add a section to it. later tonite
[06:04] <robotgeek> LaserJock: there are atleast 5 articles on the wiki about packaging, if i start putting it together, would you be able to guide me on the technical questions?
[06:05] <mdke> :( no response to my email to -devel about svn access
[06:07] <LaserJock> robotgeek: perhaps, I'm still learning myself
[06:08] <Ng> mdke: how should non-members send their proposed updates - like if I want to take a big stick to the starter guide would you want a patch to whatever the source format is, or a fresh copy, or what? :)
[06:08] <LaserJock> mdke: I know, they are sooo busy. elmo never got around to syncing quite a few MOTU packages before UVF
[06:08] <mdke> Ng, patch to the source yeah.
[06:08] <Ng> mdke: split up by section? or just a big lump?
[06:09] <mdke> Ng, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute
[06:09] <robotgeek> LaserJock: hmm, okay. 
[06:09] <Ng> mdke: ah, thanks
[06:09] <mdke> Ng, my advice is to keep it small at first because it will be easier for us to check. For large scale changes, mail the list and discuss your ideas
[06:09] <robotgeek> i'll cut paste from the packaging guide too, LaserJock 
[06:09] <Ng> cool, I like docbook :)
[06:09] <Ng> mdke: ok
[06:09] <mdke> Ng, welcome aboard
[06:10] <Ng> mdke: save that till I actually do something. I do like working with db though and I enjoy and have some experience writing, so I expect to :)
[06:10] <mdke> LaserJock, busy is an excuse but it's not really good enough: he promised to do commit requests within 48 hours, and has never ever done it. We need to be able to control it ourselves
[06:10] <mdke> Ng, great
[06:11] <LaserJock> mdke: I agree
[06:11] <mdke> i might play around with setting up an svn archive on the server
[06:11] <LaserJock> robotgeek: so you are wanting to put together the wiki pages on packaging into one page?
[06:12] <robotgeek> LaserJock: the pages there are half baked, not one of them is complete in any respect
[06:12] <LaserJock> robotgeek: could you give me a list of them?
[06:12] <robotgeek> LaserJock: one sec
[06:13] <mdke> LaserJock, didn't you compile a list once?
[06:15] <LaserJock> mdke, perhaps. oh yes, w.u.c/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources i believe
[06:15] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks for reminding me ;-)
[06:15] <mdke> robotgeek, ^
[06:15] <robotgeek> CreateDebPackageHowto CreatePackageFromSourcePackage HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch HowtoCreateNewPackages PackageBuilding ( DebootstrapChroot PbuilderHowto are related, but fine ATM)
[06:15] <robotgeek> i need to make a firefox thing for that
[06:16] <robotgeek> i mean, typing HowtoCreateNewPackages will take me to w.u.c/HowtoCreateNewPackages
[06:16] <LaserJock> robotgeek: are they all on the link ^^ ?
[06:18] <robotgeek> Not all, i'll add them in then
[06:18] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok, great
[06:19] <robotgeek> nice, the firefox thing to do that was easy :)
[06:22] <robotgeek> LaserJock: done
[06:23] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I'm sure at least some of those wiki pages can be merge together
[06:23] <robotgeek> I'll just work on putting those 5/6 pages together in a sane way
[06:24] <robotgeek> i do all of my editing offline, so no issues. (can't type without vim )
[06:24] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok, there is two different packaging's going on
[06:24] <LaserJock> robotgeek: one is packaging for personal use (checkinstall)
[06:24] <LaserJock> robotgeek: and the other is packaging for inclusion in Ubuntu (much more involved)
[06:25] <LaserJock> robotgeek: you might want to try to keep those seperate
[06:25] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes, i understand that. 
[06:25] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok, good
[06:25] <LaserJock> robotgeek: have at it! :-)
[06:25] <robotgeek> i have mentioned to use CheckInstall method after CompileSoftware
[06:26] <robotgeek> so, home users will be happy with that
[06:26] <robotgeek> Compiling debs the "right" way is more confusing :)
[06:27] <robotgeek> it's a good opportunity to get all my information right 
[06:27] <robotgeek> later LaserJock 
[06:34] <LaserJock> cya robotgeek_zzz 
[06:58] <jjesse> about the starter guide wasn't that getting roled into the desktopguide?
[07:00] <Burgwork> jjesse, yes
[07:09] <jjesse> does anyone know the status of desktopguide then?
[07:10] <Burgwork> rob stoffers was working on it, but he apparently is awol right now
[07:10] <jjesse> thats what i was afraid of