=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@tor/session/x-de728833e9115f45] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-189-163.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trojkolka [n=trojkolk@h171241.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:25] i got a problem and i know there is a lot in google about this topic but those ' solutions' doesnt help for me :( My windows share content cannot be viewed. I can access my ubuntu computer with windows xp but the otherway around is quite impossible still ubuntu finds my computer but cannot access it [02:25] does anyone has a working solution? === trojkolka [n=trojkolk@h171241.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next Meeting: 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: at #ubuntu-meeting === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Sat Jan 14 15:41:04 2006 === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia kicks the wiki\ === Kyral hears the Wiki cry out in pain [06:30] Kyral, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMac <-- can you try and move that to Ubuntu.Mac ? [06:32] no [06:32] I mean it doesn't work [06:32] but changing it to "Ubuntu.mac" works :p [06:33] it needs to .Mac [06:33] bloody hell, @#$!@#$$# wiki [06:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_%2eMac [06:34] Kyral, none of those help because of this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-dot-mac [06:34] Then change the spec? [06:34] can't, no edit rights [06:35] plus lots of people have linked to Ubuntu.Mac now [06:36] Which doesn't exist lol [06:36] which I just recreated [06:37] huh? [06:37] we hit digg and linuxtoday with that [06:37] I changed the name back [06:37] eh? [06:37] I made .Mac redirect to Mac [06:39] ah [06:39] I almost put "Because Corey Told Me To" in the reason for renaming ;P [06:39] hey, fair enough === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:40] http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2006-01-18-034-26-NW-DB-HL <--- aw bloody hell [06:42] bloody hell, 2 of the top for hits on digg under linux/unix are that ubuntguide reborn and the .Mac stuff [06:43] which tells you that the masses think they like "easy/simple" guides and a concept like the .Mac for linux... [06:44] yes [06:44] stupidity of the crowd, anyone? === Burgundavia is in a foul mood [06:45] nwo I am too [06:45] someone commented at linuxtoday about the dangers of doing all your thinking in the open [06:45] We were SUPPOSED to do our lab build on Ubuntu [06:45] I had metapackages and everything rerady [06:46] and in like an hour, the day before we are supposed to install the build, they change it over to Fedora [06:46] ugh, you poor man === Burgundavia is subjected to FC4 at work [06:46] I wanna SCREEM [06:46] I wanna KILL them [06:47] Its like "I did all this work, then then BAM!" [06:47] I'm the other way at work, we are finally getting a couple of Ubuntu boxes...the rest of the linux boxes are Mandrake [06:47] who made the decision? [06:47] the team lead [06:47] why so late? [06:47] I HAVE NO IDEA [06:47] robitaille, Ubuntu or Kubuntu? [06:47] "there were some issues about Devel stuff" [06:48] the guys at VLUG attack me all the time, claiming that they cannot get a kernel to compile on Ubuntu [06:48] I told them to go use Gentoo and shut up [06:48] Ubuntu + kde-desktop on top; users will be able to choose [06:48] thats bullshit [06:48] I custom compiled 15 kernels [06:48] with GCC 4 mind you :D [06:49] We target Joe Sixpack so much that we annilate the geeks [06:49] like not installing Build-Essential by default [06:50] geeks can find it and the rest of us have more secure machines [06:50] and my stock answer "Nothing is stopping from using Gentoo" [06:50] I'm trying to gain Ubuntu resepct... [06:50] which I usually followup with "Just don't give Gentoo to your mother" === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-137-219.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-236.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-152-206.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] Burgundavia: ping? [08:56] Burgundavia: :) [09:19] the wiki seems terribly slow, sigh [09:19] wow, as soon as i complain, it opens up. :) [09:34] jsgotangco: ping [09:34] robotgeek: pong [09:34] jsgotangco: hmm, i found about 5 different articles on package building, with various details [09:35] now, i know there's a package building guide underway, so what should i do [09:35] hmm that would depend on the relevance of the content [09:36] hmm, we already have a CompileSoftware page [09:37] im not familiar with the subject matter though [09:37] this should probably take it to the next step, to sort of mak packages the Ubuntu way, may provide a gentle introduction [09:37] so i can't make an educated guess at least [09:38] hmm, i would have edited the NetworkPrinter* articles, however I am not sure of the subject matter [09:39] CreateDebPackageHowto CreatePackageFromSourcePackage HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch (the most detailed) HowtoCreateNewPackages PackageBuilding [09:39] damn, LaserJock_away is away :) [09:42] jsgotangco: thanks anyways, i'll stay away from them as well :) [09:44] np sorry im not to keen on editing docs im not familiar with === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-25.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:46] i know tha basics, not too much. i'll move on to the GPG articles :) [09:53] jsgotangco, pong [09:53] if an article links to the forums, what should i do? (any licensing issues?) [09:53] robotgeek, no problem [09:54] Burgundavia: nvm i already forgot [09:54] jsgotangco, rofl === Burgundavia grumbles quietly at himself [09:54] Burgundavia: cool [09:55] where are you folks from? so i can get an understanding of timezones etc [09:56] robotgeek, utc -8 (west coast Canada) Madpilot, robitaille and I live in the same city [09:56] I'm utc -6 so, not much of a time difference (TX) [09:56] utc +0 [09:56] im in +8 but just ignore me i can go to meetings anyways [09:57] my weird schedule puts me right in sync with mdke and jsgotangco :) [09:58] LaserJock is -8 (-7) [09:58] hmm, i think i should start working in "regular" hours [10:00] okay, back to editing articles then. === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-96-16.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:26] oh jeez [10:26] ubuntuguide is back [10:27] yes [10:27] although the url hasn't been moved [10:27] there must be about 5 ubuntuguides around the place === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke is tired of waiting for new svn commit members === mdke composes angry email === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.47.176] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.47.176] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:20] mdke: really, let's just move it to our server pronto or use bzr [11:21] fine :) === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next Meeting: 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: at #ubuntu-meeting === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Sat Jan 14 15:41:04 2006 === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:31] doc team meeting today? [02:31] i always forget === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@tor/session/x-18adccf36bc966f0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpathy [n=mpathy@ACB77178.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpathy [n=mpathy@ACB77178.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:42] morning jsgotangco [04:42] or whatever time of day it is for you :) [04:43] heh [04:43] just a few minutes before it hits friday [04:43] how's your week going? [04:43] going well, chatting with someone on #kubuntu-devel that wants to look at gettign started on kubuntu-docs :) [04:44] were you able to receive the email about the germain translation/ [04:44] umm checking mail [04:45] hmmm must have missed it [04:46] crap i've missed you guys [04:46] hehe [04:46] let me reforward it again [04:46] grin [04:46] you all moved now? === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:46] welcome perofal [04:47] :) [04:47] jsgotangco: perofal is looking to help w/ ubuntu/kubuntu docs [04:47] we were talking on #kubuntu-devel [04:47] jjesse: forwarded [04:47] ohhhhhh [04:47] well let's see what happens after mdke sent an email/rant/whatever about svn access [04:48] i enjoyed that email, thought "about time that was sent" :) [04:48] :-) [04:49] feature freeze started correct? [04:49] yep [04:50] we'll be able to make solid changes already that's in for sure [04:50] now to tackle the quicjguide :) [04:53] i think we can make better progress if we focus on just 2 docs for now imo [04:53] what do you think? [04:53] ... looks like I have to change to dapper drake [04:54] what 2 docs would you suggest? [04:54] the releasenotes are "done" [04:54] update the kquickguide [04:55] hmm [04:55] I will install dapper drake in 2 hrs [04:55] ok? [04:55] sure [04:55] i've just finished downloading kubuntu flight 3 last night [04:55] but i'll take time to install it tommorow [04:55] i was talking about the kquickguide [04:55] need to finish some shi** I have the flight 3 iso somewere in my hd :) [04:56] releasenotes are done and now its time for quickguide [04:58] damn the upload changes for dapper are updating almost every minute [04:58] jjesse: http://www.kubuntu.linuxfuehrerschein.de/doku.php [04:58] i noticed that [04:59] cool === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:21] night [05:28] jsgotangco: ping [05:28] robotgeek: pong heh just in time i was about to sleep [05:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GpgHowto [05:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GpgHowto to replace GPGKey GnuPrivacyGuardHowto [05:30] can you make a redirect instaed of deleting GPGKey and GnuPrivacyGuardHowto [05:31] yeah, i was about to delete this page. this was for testing only [05:32] just redirect GPGKey to GnuPrivacyGaurdHowto [05:43] jsgotangco: all done === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:45] hey bshumate [05:51] hi perofal [05:51] welcome === Ng [n=Ng@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:52] later all, back to bed :) === Ng was just perusing the starter guide... I think I'm gonna try and get involved to help improve it ;) [05:53] Ng, that would be good. shout if you need any help getting involved [05:53] I was just about to ask where to start, but I see a url in the topic [05:53] :) [05:53] mdke : thankx [05:54] mdke: GnuPrivacyGuardHowto one more down :) === robotgeek forgets the ppl can scroll up [05:54] mdke : I want to help :) [05:54] I've been hanging out in #ubuntu for a while now and there are many many questions that the starter guide could cover that would help people there - assuming it can be made discoverable enough [05:54] robotgeek, nice work, albeit with a long name [05:54] perofal, that's great. kubuntu docs need your help [05:55] mdke: hmm, true. can add redirects to make it happen. i want to add one more section before i get it out of CategoryCleanup [05:55] how about just remove "Howto" [05:55] redirects are confusing when users do searches, don't forget [05:56] so we don't want too many unless they are necessary [05:56] hmm, the searches don't redirect automagically? [05:57] if there are two pages, one of which is a redirect, they will appear as two pages if you search on page names [05:57] unsurprisingly, because they are two different pages with names [05:58] so it's justifiable to have two pages, called GPG and GnuPrivacyGuard, but not pages with the same common search string in the titles [05:58] true, but the search should probably figure out that one is a redirect to the other, and only display the other [05:59] it doesn't [05:59] i don't think [05:59] it doesn't, but it should :) === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:01] anyways, the only other page pointing to this one now is GPGKey, so no issues in this case [06:01] ah good [06:01] maybe just kick the "Howto", if the page is quite young [06:02] the longer page was called howto, so i merged it into that one. [06:03] i mean, delete "Howto" from the page name, leaving it "GnuPrivacyGuard" [06:03] mdke: okay, will do after i add a section to it. later tonite [06:04] LaserJock: there are atleast 5 articles on the wiki about packaging, if i start putting it together, would you be able to guide me on the technical questions? [06:05] :( no response to my email to -devel about svn access === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-99-35.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:07] robotgeek: perhaps, I'm still learning myself === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] mdke: how should non-members send their proposed updates - like if I want to take a big stick to the starter guide would you want a patch to whatever the source format is, or a fresh copy, or what? :) [06:08] mdke: I know, they are sooo busy. elmo never got around to syncing quite a few MOTU packages before UVF [06:08] Ng, patch to the source yeah. [06:08] mdke: split up by section? or just a big lump? [06:09] Ng, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Contribute [06:09] LaserJock: hmm, okay. [06:09] mdke: ah, thanks [06:09] Ng, my advice is to keep it small at first because it will be easier for us to check. For large scale changes, mail the list and discuss your ideas [06:09] i'll cut paste from the packaging guide too, LaserJock [06:09] cool, I like docbook :) [06:09] mdke: ok [06:09] Ng, welcome aboard [06:10] mdke: save that till I actually do something. I do like working with db though and I enjoy and have some experience writing, so I expect to :) [06:10] LaserJock, busy is an excuse but it's not really good enough: he promised to do commit requests within 48 hours, and has never ever done it. We need to be able to control it ourselves [06:10] Ng, great [06:11] mdke: I agree [06:11] i might play around with setting up an svn archive on the server [06:11] robotgeek: so you are wanting to put together the wiki pages on packaging into one page? [06:12] LaserJock: the pages there are half baked, not one of them is complete in any respect [06:12] robotgeek: could you give me a list of them? [06:12] LaserJock: one sec [06:13] LaserJock, didn't you compile a list once? [06:15] mdke, perhaps. oh yes, w.u.c/UbuntuPackagingGuide/Resources i believe [06:15] mdke: thanks for reminding me ;-) [06:15] robotgeek, ^ [06:15] CreateDebPackageHowto CreatePackageFromSourcePackage HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch HowtoCreateNewPackages PackageBuilding ( DebootstrapChroot PbuilderHowto are related, but fine ATM) [06:15] i need to make a firefox thing for that [06:16] i mean, typing HowtoCreateNewPackages will take me to w.u.c/HowtoCreateNewPackages [06:16] robotgeek: are they all on the link ^^ ? [06:18] Not all, i'll add them in then [06:18] robotgeek: ok, great [06:19] nice, the firefox thing to do that was easy :) [06:22] LaserJock: done [06:23] robotgeek: I'm sure at least some of those wiki pages can be merge together [06:23] I'll just work on putting those 5/6 pages together in a sane way [06:24] i do all of my editing offline, so no issues. (can't type without vim ) [06:24] robotgeek: ok, there is two different packaging's going on [06:24] robotgeek: one is packaging for personal use (checkinstall) [06:24] robotgeek: and the other is packaging for inclusion in Ubuntu (much more involved) [06:25] robotgeek: you might want to try to keep those seperate [06:25] LaserJock: yes, i understand that. [06:25] robotgeek: ok, good [06:25] robotgeek: have at it! :-) [06:25] i have mentioned to use CheckInstall method after CompileSoftware [06:26] so, home users will be happy with that [06:26] Compiling debs the "right" way is more confusing :) [06:27] it's a good opportunity to get all my information right [06:27] later LaserJock [06:34] cya robotgeek_zzz [06:58] about the starter guide wasn't that getting roled into the desktopguide? [07:00] jjesse, yes === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:09] does anyone know the status of desktopguide then? 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