[12:32] <Riddell> who's on breezy?
[12:32] <Riddell> I need amarok testers
[12:32] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.8 breezy main
[04:07] <\sh> Riddell: do you have problems installing libarts1-dev (depends on libqt3-mt-dev but it's not installable) while you are pbuilding?
[04:09] <shawkins> \sh: may I ask what you mean by pbuilding?
[04:09] <\sh> building a package inside a pbuilder chroot :)
[04:10] <shawkins> I see
[04:10] <\sh> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html
[04:11] <shawkins> well I gots a quick question which you may be able to answer, I'm having troubles.... using dapper, a second ago I typed apt-get dist-upgrade, and one of the packages to be removed was kubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <shawkins> the other day I did the dist-upgrade.. just didn't read the remove part... ooops....
[04:12] <\sh> looks like Xorg breakage 
[04:12] <shawkins> that would be my only guess.. wasn't sure..
[04:14] <shawkins> yet one more thing, I tried on the kubuntu channel... had no luck for this, I screwed up my system while installing windows a few days ago... well something is wrong with my superblock or something, booted up on a slackware disk and typed e2fsck -b 8193 I think it was.... didn't work, forget the error message
[04:15] <shawkins> in any case, something went wrong with the partition, I guess its not sure if it is ext3 of not, so I have to press ctrl-d to bypass that bit so it'll boot u
[04:15] <shawkins> *boot up
[04:15] <\sh> hmm...boot loader fun or overriding some important parts of your partition
[04:17] <shawkins> boot loader fun? possible I rewrote the boot loader wrong?
[04:17] <shawkins> I booted a live disc of ubuntu to get grub going again once I was done with windows...
[04:18] <\sh> did you install the grub bootloader into mbr or on the partition itself?
[04:18] <shawkins> good question, I'm not much for bootloader type things.... though I think it was the partition... used the command 'root (hd0,0) 
[04:19] <\sh> hmmm..could be that
[04:19] <shawkins> ok, well now I'm pretty sure it was the partition I installed it to, worked fine, but its also the first partition... so how would I fix it?
[04:27] <shawkins> well tell me this, how would you install grub?
[04:27] <\sh> in the mbr
[04:28] <shawkins> no.. the command, I understand the mbr part..
[04:28] <shawkins> I just sit here and screw around until it works.... 
[04:29] <\sh> grub-install :)
[04:29] <\sh> but it's only a guess, it can be, that windows fdisk screwed your partition table somehow...did you play with resizing partitions during windows installation?
[04:31] <shawkins> well... I deleted one of my linux partitions.... used that space for windows
[04:35] <\sh> another solution can be, to install ubuntu from scratch, it should be an easy task if you have your /home partition separated from the rest, and when you have a backup file of configurations in /etc
[04:36] <shawkins> \sh: yeah, I could do that, I thought about it the other day.. no, I don't have my home partition seperate.. however, I know how to back stuff up
[04:37] <shawkins> don't need the configuration files in /etc.... no need for them, the only one I change is /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc I think...
[04:37] <shawkins> other then that... I didn't change it a whole lot since I got it
[04:37] <shawkins> I've been in these irc rooms since I installed it
[05:33] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping
[07:30] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[07:39] <raphink> yeah my key is up :)
[07:55] <viviersf> i get this klauncher error randomly guys
[07:55] <viviersf> when i try to shut down
[07:55] <viviersf> got any ideas ?
[07:56] <raphink> this klauncher error <-- any more precision ?
[07:56] <viviersf> it sais
[07:56] <viviersf> cannot talk to klauncher
[07:56] <viviersf> and nothing else
[07:56] <viviersf> not big error 
[07:56] <viviersf> but very annoying
[07:56] <viviersf> and i need to release impi :/
[07:56] <raphink> oh when you shut down yes
[07:56] <raphink> I have had this too
[07:58] <viviersf> yeah
[07:58] <viviersf> i want it to go away
[07:59] <raphink> you can work on tracking it :)
[07:59] <raphink> that'd be nice :)
[07:59] <viviersf> sigh
[07:59] <viviersf> will do later
[07:59] <raphink> hehe ok
 sigh  <--- well someone will have to do it though. It won't correct alone. Try to search for an existing patch maybe.
[08:00] <viviersf> sigh is not at finding the problem
[08:00] <raphink> then what?
[08:00] <viviersf> its bcoz of all my owkr 2day
[08:00] <viviersf> hehe
[08:00] <raphink> hehe
[08:01] <viviersf> hmm
[08:01] <viviersf> i think its something with kbluetooth
[08:01] <raphink> possibly
[08:06] <viviersf> ok
[08:07] <viviersf> its kbluetooth 
[08:09] <raphink> ok
[08:27] <viviersf> raphink, you know in what config kde stores startup apps ?
[08:29] <raphink> ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:29] <raphink> if that's what you mean
[08:29] <raphink> not sure though
[08:30] <viviersf> yeah sumthing like that
[08:30] <viviersf> lemme look
[08:32] <viviersf> yar sum goes there
[08:32] <viviersf> but not kbluetoothd
[08:34] <raphink> no
[08:34] <raphink> it must be launched somewhere else
[08:35] <raphink> Autostart is for the user to launch apps at login
[09:04] <viviersf> ya raphink 
[09:04] <raphink> viviersf: did you find what was wrong?
[09:04] <viviersf> no
[09:04] <raphink> :s
[09:04] <viviersf> will look just now
[09:05] <raphink> ok
[09:05] <viviersf> see 
[09:05] <viviersf> kblue jsut starts at random
[09:05] <viviersf> and i think when there is no bluetooth adapter
[09:05] <viviersf> its causes the error when you loggof
[09:05] <viviersf> etc
[09:06] <raphink> hmmm ic
[09:07] <raphink> did you check if the bug was reported to bugs.kde.org ?
[09:29] <tvo> Riddell: the patch I posted for #28923 doesn't seem to help, so I doubt a debdiff is useful atm... better wait until it's really fixed imho
[09:30] <viviersf> raphink, yes i did now
[09:31] <raphink> ok :)
[09:32] <Tm_T> alo
[09:38] <raphink> hi Tm_T 
[10:30] <raphink> Riddell: ping
[10:31] <raphink> Riddell: there's a big issue with kdelibs4-dev today
[11:03] <Riddell> hmm, who broke qt then
[11:05] <raphink> Riddell: I have
[11:05] <raphink> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:05] <raphink>   kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.5-rc1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:05] <raphink>                 Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.5) but it is not going to be installed
[11:05] <raphink>                 Depends: libavahi-qt3-dev but it is not going to be installed
[11:07] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:07] <Tm_T> I just installed...
[11:07] <Tm_T> no problems
[11:09] <raphink> I could upgrade too, Tm_T 
[11:09] <raphink> but it won't work on pbuilders and buildds
[11:09] <raphink> so all kde apps FTBFS on buildds today
[11:11] <Riddell> doesn't work on a fresh chroot
[11:11] <Riddell> it'll be whether or not you already have xlibs-static-dev installed
[11:11] <raphink> yes it seems so
[11:12] <raphink> there's a talk on #ubuntu-devel about this
[11:12] <raphink> I think seb128 is working on it
[11:12] <raphink> 2006-01-20 10:45]  <seb128>   libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable
[11:12] <raphink> [2006-01-20 10:45]  <seb128> is anybody working on that 
[01:13] <Mez> Riddell: will a sync of katapult from debian be against UVF ?
[01:15] <Riddell> "Manual syncs from Debian (where they do not involve new upstream releases)
[01:15] <Riddell> may still be requested by the usual means"
[01:16] <Mez> Riddell... well... not a ne upstream release - just been working on the packaging in debian a lil thats all (working on libtool stuff)
[01:16] <Riddell> so should be fine
[01:17] <Mez> even if it's new in debian ?
[01:19] <Riddell> "where they do not involve new upstream releases"
[01:19] <Mez> Riddell: ok :D lol - lucky we got the new one in - eh?
[01:20] <Riddell> it wasn't lucky, we timed it for UVF
[01:28] <Riddell> alleeHol: libkipi0 doesn't install the locale files
[01:30] <Mez> Riddell: hehe - well - it was sorta lucky
[01:31] <Mez> plus we can always just aply a delta as a patch ;)
[01:31] <Mez> if we wanna upgrade it
[01:35] <Riddell> morning JRe 
[01:36] <Mez> morning JRe 
[01:36] <JRe> hi Riddell 
[01:36] <Riddell> JRe: what's the status of Keep?
[01:36] <JRe> Riddell: SVN version is really stable for me
[01:37] <JRe> Riddell: I will release a new version tonight or tomorow
[01:38] <JRe> Riddell: it needs a little test but I think there is no big bug
[01:38] <Riddell> I'll try and test it out soon
[01:40] <tvo> "Terminal=false" for an app which shows "konsolekalendar is a command-line only program." on start is a bug right?
[01:40] <alleeHol> dpkg -L libkipi0 | grep libkipi.mo | wc -l
[01:40] <alleeHol> 31
[01:40] <alleeHol> Riddell: ^^^^^  Which version?
[01:41] <alleeHol> + have you tried?
[01:42] <Riddell> 0.1.2-2ubuntu4
[01:42] <Riddell> quite possibly we're out of sync with debian
[01:42] <Riddell> tvo: it looks like it but there may well be a reason it's set like that
[01:43] <alleeHol> no, 0.1.2-3 is in alioth but not released due my mentor relocation
[01:44] <Riddell> right, I've fixed it in ubuntu now
[01:44] <alleeHol> Riddell: I've a look at it tongight
[01:44] <tvo> Riddell: I'll just file a bug then and see what you and others think :)
[01:46] <alleeHol> bbl
[01:48] <Riddell> tvo: may be worth asking on #kontact
[01:48] <tvo> Riddell, sure
[03:04] <tvo> Riddell: ping
[03:05] <Riddell> hi tvo 
[03:06] <tvo> Riddell: I doubt that debdiff will be useful if someone of us (katapult team) is going to make Debian katapult packages anyway
[03:06] <Riddell> it'll be useful for kubuntu
[03:07] <Riddell> waiting on debian isn't always reliable
[03:08] <tvo> Riddell: true, but we could wait some time, and if time's running out for dapper and we still haven't synced the fix from debian, make the debdiff..
[03:09] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[03:09] <Riddell> tvo: we could yes
[03:09] <Riddell> freeflying_: hi
[03:10] <freeflying_> Riddell: ttf-arphic-uming and ukai have new release 
[03:11] <tvo> Riddell: oh and btw, I got no reaction in #kontact
[03:12] <Riddell> freeflying_: I'll need a detailed changelog to ask for a UVF exception
[03:16] <tvo> anyway, I should study a bit, see you later
[03:51] <nlindblad> 13GiB ISOs seeded so far
[03:52] <Riddell> nlindblad: woo :)
[03:52] <Riddell> nlindblad: flight 3 or breezy?
[03:54] <nlindblad> Breezy
[03:54] <nlindblad> I'll seed it until Dapper is released
[06:12] <jpatrick> Riddell: hello
[06:13] <Riddell> jpatrick!
[06:13] <jpatrick> Riddell: I was wondering if you could announce http://www.kubuntu-es.org at kubuntu.org
[06:14] <Riddell> si
[06:14] <jpatrick> gracias
[06:14] <Riddell> jpatrick: who made it, who hosts it and does ubuntu-es know?
[06:15] <jpatrick> Riddell: some guy (that practically came out of nowhere), been talking to him and stuff, not sure who hosts it and ubuntu-es does know
[06:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: do you have admin access on the boards?
[06:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: yes, sir
[06:17] <Riddell> excellent excellent
[06:18] <Riddell> the links at the bottom of the Menu box are broken
[06:18] <jpatrick> yep
[06:18] <jpatrick> have to get him to fixing that
[06:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: you should get it announced on http://www.kdelatino.org/ too
[06:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: we have
[06:20] <jpatrick> (tons of places actually)
[06:20] <jpatrick> BUT I have no ftp access to the site
[06:21] <jpatrick> seems the whole thing is though the admin panel
[06:22] <\sh> morning 
[06:22] <jpatrick> evening \sh 
[06:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: I need a spanish translation for "kubuntu-es is a new website and forum for Spanish speaking Kubuntu users"
[06:23] <Riddell> or some similar sentence
[06:27] <jpatrick> kubuntu-es es la pagina web y foros nuevos para hispanohablantes
[06:27] <jpatrick> should do
[06:28] <jpatrick> "pagina" has an accent on the first a which goes to the right :P
[06:30] <jpatrick> ...de Kubuntu
[06:31] <Riddell> acute or grave?
[06:32] <jpatrick> acute
[06:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: how's that?
[06:39] <Riddell> jpatrick: you should get the forums on kubuntuforums notified
[06:39] <Riddell> spanish ones that is
[06:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: I think they already know...
[06:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: since we were discussing the site there a few weeks ago
[06:42] <jpatrick> looks okay :)
[06:48] <jpatrick> btw what's UVF?
[06:55] <Riddell> upstream version freeze, we upload new versions of existing packages
[06:55] <JRe> Riddell: is it good for dapper if I release my version of Keep today ?
[06:56] <jpatrick> oh yeah...
[06:56] <JRe> Riddell: I have tested it and thinks its ready now
[06:58] <Riddell> JRe: yes, new packages are allowed, just not new upstream versions of existing packages
[06:59] <JRe> Riddell: ok, cool. Untill when new packages are accepted .
[06:59] <JRe> ?
[06:59] <Riddell> February 23rd 
[06:59] <Riddell>    FeatureFreeze
[06:59] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule
[06:59] <Riddell> I think
[07:00] <jpatrick> yes! so I still have time for some package...
[07:00] <jpatrick> -ing*
[07:01] <Riddell> yes, it is feature freeze
[07:01] <Riddell> please do :)
[07:04] <Riddell> mdz: able to look at KubuntuDapperPackageManager?
[07:21] <mdz> Riddell: looking
[07:23] <mdz> Riddell: how will tag exclusion work?
[07:23] <Riddell> mornfall^^
[07:23] <mornfall> here
[07:23] <mornfall> i think it should already work :)
[07:23] <Riddell> mdz: it's the I Don't Want box that you can drag tags to
[07:24] <mornfall> mdz: it's sort of like http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi -- just different interface, but similar concept
[07:26] <mdz> that web interface is very confusing
[07:27] <mornfall> that's probably subjective
[07:28] <mdz> the spec is much improved
[07:28] <mdz> apt won't get dependency tracking for dapper
[07:28] <mornfall> i expected that
[07:29] <mornfall> sort of
[07:29] <mornfall> it can be done when it gets in, or if it doesn't, implemented in libapt-front
[07:30] <mdz> we wouldn't want it in libapt-front; the idea of having it in apt itself was to avoid having multiple implementations
[07:30] <mdz> what's the rationale for adding pinning to adept?
[07:31] <mdz> in my opinion there are too many "gotchas" with pinning for it to be exposed in a user-oriented tool
[07:33] <mornfall> user requests, i guess... and the fact adept manager is probably adressing more of an intermediate user... the rest have the very simple tools
[07:33] <mornfall> a very user-oriented tool shouldn't expose dependencies either, IMO
[07:34] <mdz> indeed
[07:34] <mornfall> also, pinning, dependencies etc will not get in the way of current adept workflow... all that it will need in the main user interface is a single details button
[07:35] <mornfall> which makes it 2 buttons per package and a context menu, which is probably as un-obtrusive as it gets
[07:35] <mdz> there are about 5 weeks before feature freeze; how much of this work do you think is achievable in that time?
[07:37] <mdz> I am most interested in the simple installer, followed by the update notifier
[07:38] <mornfall> mdz: i am not sure about pinning, everything else should be doable... apart from the new libapt-pkg features which seem not
[07:41] <nlindblad> jpatrick: hi!!!
[07:41] <mdz> mornfall: just to avoid any confusion, let's break it down into the different components
[07:42] <mdz> mornfall: we wouldn't want to end up in a situation where the whole thing was a bust because you ran out of time
[07:43] <mdz> mornfall: please send me a proposal with separate pricing for the simple installer, update notifier, adept and .deb installer via email
[07:43] <mdz> and we'll go from there
[07:43] <mdz> thanks for your work on the spec, it's much clearer now
[07:45] <mornfall> okey, i'll try to come up with something reasonable
[07:47] <mornfall> what about "infrastructure work", that is things in libraries that are needed by most of the components?
[07:48] <mdz> I'd bundle it in with the first component in my list above which needs the infrastructure
[07:48] <mdz> since that's the priority order as I see it
[07:48] <mornfall> okey, sounds good
[07:48] <jpatrick> nlindblad: boo
[08:02] <nlindblad> jpatrick: long time no see
[08:04] <jpatrick> nlindblad: yep - few (critical) real-world problems to fix
[08:04] <nlindblad> oh :(
[08:05] <nlindblad> jpatrick: I bought "Familiar To Millions" :D
[08:06] <jpatrick> ok
[08:07] <nlindblad> (Oasis)
[08:07] <jpatrick> wow!
[08:08] <nlindblad> but I enjoy my other purchase even more
[08:08] <nlindblad> The Killers - Hot Fuss
[09:21] <jpatrick> yo raphink !!
[11:11] <allee> Riddell: I rebuild libkipi0_0.1.2-2ubuntu4_i386.deb localy and
[11:11] <allee> $ dpkg --contents libkipi0_0.1.2-2ubuntu4_i386.deb | grep LC_MESSAGES/libkipi.mo | wc -l
[11:11] <allee> 31
[11:11] <allee> so looks like a buildd problem!?
[11:13] <allee> fwiw martin pitt uploaded already 2ubuntu5 with a ca translation fix