=== Kaloz [i=kaloz@openwrt.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] elmo: do you remember why you put faad2 into multiverse? and should every package containing that sources or great parts of it be in multiverse too? === storm [i=joel@200.169.26.48] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] slomo_: it came from Marillat [12:13] anything from Marillat automatically ends up in multiverse [12:13] (came + originally) [12:13] heh [12:14] elmo: hehe ok :) i ask because i'll upload a NEW package (well, split of xine-lib) soon including the complete faad2 sources... where will you put it? [12:15] slomo_: I dunno, I'll have to have a look at the license, and what it contains, patent-wise etc. [12:15] elmo: it's the same as the current xine-lib tarball which is in main... but only the ffmpeg and faad plugin are used === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] mjg59: hm, i'll have to try that later. power button certain didn't work (w/ dapper's kernel) [12:23] dilinger: Worked here last time I checked, but I'm not on -13 yet [12:23] (since -12 is broken with NetworkManager) [12:24] BenC: Still not in the archive :((((((((( [12:25] mjg59: people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/ [12:25] there's a -13-686 in there somewhere [12:25] Heh [12:26] it's only missing a few unrelated patches from the real -13, but it fixes the oops [12:26] Super [12:26] That'll do nicely [12:26] mjg59: oh, the daily from yesterday works fine too [12:27] BenC: Ooh [12:27] I'll grab those [12:28] BenC: There still seems to be some problem with powernow-k7 (I'm told, I don't have any hardware to test it) === dilinger [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dilinger [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] mjg59: -13's in a.u.c; I installed it about an hour ago [12:29] oh god [12:29] they just keep making xchat's interface shittier and shittier [12:29] they stuck a close window thing where the left/right shift for tabs used to be === dilinger grumbles and hops on a plane [12:35] don't think I'll be doing this dist-upgrade [12:35] wants to remove 285 packages === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0186.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fordp [n=simon@82-34-224-225.cable.ubr02.gill.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leonel [n=leonel@dsl-201-128-142-157.prod-infinitum.com.mx] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fordp [n=simon@82-34-224-225.cable.ubr02.gill.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-69-255.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === onceNull [n=onceNull@OL144-166.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-96-16.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-203-76-59.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] Hey guys, is this "fd buffer read" problem while upgrading breezy today already known ? Can't find a bug in malone but I'm just checking before I file a useless bug :) [01:21] elmo: please sync aewm, lablgtkmathview, nvu, qucs, saods9, sndobj, soap-lite, sqlrelay, xtranslate, and xwit from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes (re-requested, all were requested prior) [01:22] crimsun: nvu is broken, diffren;t orig.tar.gz [01:22] in debian/ubuntu [01:22] elmo: ok, thanks === kjm [n=cjm@cpc2-woki1-3-0-cust229.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kjm [n=cjm@cpc2-woki1-3-0-cust229.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] elmo: thanks again. Please also sync octave2.1 from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes (also a re-request) [01:34] octave2.1 is in the broken list [01:34] not for orig.tar.gz tho [01:38] elmo: I thought octave2.9 was in the broken list [01:39] LaserJock: err, good point, well madew === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] crimsun: done, sorry for missing all of those [01:40] elmo: np, thank you :) === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089EBD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bhearsum [n=bhearsum@durhamlug/pdpc.basic.bhearsum] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] is there any documented procedure for installing ubuntu with an nfs root? === Kamion_ [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@pcd649141.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.96.214.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- is now known as GmanAFK === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Den [n=Den@dwin-wlan-115.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sattva [n=cjm@cpc2-woki1-3-0-cust229.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bhearsum [n=bhearsum@durhamlug/pdpc.basic.bhearsum] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === storm [i=joel@200.169.26.48] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.50.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F459.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawkins [n=root@oh-71-50-56-17.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawkins-away [n=root@oh-71-50-56-17.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shawkins-away [n=root@oh-71-50-56-17.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp83-107.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diziet [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] <\sh> elmo/ Znarl : planet.ubuntu.com looks like it's down === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] wow... now that is awesome === psusi finally groks the zsync with lookinside algorithm [04:20] \sh: fixed, thanks [04:20] <\sh> elmo: no problem [04:21] \sh: do you know what you (MOTU) guys decided to do about UVF? [04:22] <\sh> elmo: yes...we are sticking with the UVF, but if it's necessary we will write exception reports for universepackages with some special attachments (diffstats, changelogs and rationals and risk reports), sending them to dholbach, he collects those reports and he decides which ones will be send to kamion/mdz for approval [04:23] \sh: ok - what about new packages? [04:25] oh, crap scim [04:25] <\sh> elmo: if they are not introducing new libs for main or deps for main (like in breezy times, you remember), we will push them until feature freeze. But this only applies to packages which are not in ubuntus or debians archives. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:27] <\sh> and now I wonder, why libarts1-dev complains about libqt3-mt-dev not installable in my amd64 pbuilder, but in a clean chroot it's installable...fun again... === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] <\sh> elmo: it was discussed and approved that universe will follow the Release Schedule for main this time :) [04:32] any debian-installer gurus around? I think I've got a good udeb setup for dmraid, but I can't seem to get it correctly integrated into the setup cd... I build d-i from source with the udeb added, and threw the initrd on the setup cd, updated the md5sums file, and burned it [04:32] but the setup complains that it can't find the Packages file... but I didn't touch the Packages file === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul is now known as lmanul|Zzz === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-203-76-59.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@238.Red-83-55-105.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@Gaa8f.g.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dark [i=deviled_@microsoft.gotrooted.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jblack [n=jblack@static-209-158-45-74.scr.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] Why does firefox take about 3 seconds to responding when decreasing the font size, when in my 2 yr old debian system it was instantaneous? Is this a firefox or ubuntu problem? [06:44] Den: I tested the live cd on the ieee1394 device yesterday and it worked just fine. Assuming we manage to get ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-live installable today, you should have a CD in not too long. [06:44] please file a bug on launchpad.net/malone/ rather than using the development channel for support === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] Mithrandir: Thank you _very_much.! [06:45] daniels: I'm trying to determine where the bug might be - has anyone else noticed this behavior of firefox? [06:47] daniels: And if this isn't the correct channel for such questions, no problem - what channel would you suggest I ask in? I thought I'd ask in this channel in order to have a greater chance of reaching a specialist in the relevant sw? [06:48] well, you could start with #ubuntu, really [06:48] Mithrandir: Will you please email me before you leave work & let me know the status, so I know beore this weekend if I can get an iso to try out? [06:49] Den: sure [06:50] Mithrandir: Thanks! [06:50] doko: I can't get -I to diff to DTRT on i386 either? === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.71.87] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] what is this thing about a oem user on flight cd 3? [07:09] I got installed the cd and I get missed the part were it says tha oem is the default user.... [07:09] also another thing is that the multiverse responsitory on the osurces.list does not work It should be replaced === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-130-160.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ritvik [n=ritvik@61.11.61.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@c529d3992.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === perofal [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-130-233.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === csj [n=csj@218-163-189-69.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] good morning [08:28] hi pitti :) [08:29] hi pitti === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] Mithrandir: my test case was diffing the gs-gpl source with the new upstream gnu ghostscript source using diff -ur gs-gpl-8.15 -I Id: gnu-ghostscript-8.16 (works on i386, but not amd64) === SoundMaster [i=SomeOne@213.244.230.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] 'morning pitti [08:51] pitti: care to fix m-f-l-a? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@pD951C930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-152-187.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-153-49.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua@222.50.182.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] Mithrandir: yessh [09:30] pitti: thanks [09:36] pitti, I'm generating the final language pack for breezy [09:37] yay [09:37] pitti, I'm doing a full export of main (we can now select just main pofiles) [09:37] The export has 6923 pofiles [09:37] carlos: that's nice, so I can drop that logic from langpack-o-matic in the future? [09:37] we still miss some of them [09:38] ok, no problem, I can merge them with the final breezy version [09:38] pitti, yes, you don't need to remove translation domains [09:38] pitti, we have that information already in our database [09:39] carlos: do you do a full export, or just things that changed since the breezy release? [09:39] pitti, full export [09:39] carlos: since I had to drop so many stuff back then, a full export might be adequate [09:39] ok [09:39] yeah [09:39] and next time we can do a relative one? [09:39] yes [09:39] that's the idea [09:39] nice [09:39] a relative one since yesterday [09:39] what's the status for dapper? [09:40] pitti, nothing until you use launchpad to build packages [09:40] that's one or two weeks [09:40] if all things work as planned [09:40] ok, then I better generate new ones today from the buildds [09:40] and update them in two weeks with rosetta love [09:40] yeah [09:41] oh, I forgot one thing... === pitti holds his breath [09:41] what's the catch? :) [09:41] pitti, we need to edit some of the exported .po files [09:41] to change the encoding information [09:42] I will try to fix that issue today, but just in case I'm not able to have that on time for the rollout [09:42] the exported .po files are using UTF-8 encoding [09:42] but the .po header is not yet updated [09:45] mdz: around? [09:47] seb128: care to reupload contact-lookup-applet? iz uninstallable due to new eds, it appears. [09:47] seb128: do you know how to start gnome-screensaver safely without having to re-login? [09:48] Mithrandir: I had plan to have a review of all the stuff that needs a rebuild for eds soname changes, now is good time for it, I'll do that now :) [09:48] tepsipakki: type gnome-screensaver on a command line? [09:48] mdz: ping is about libnotify / notification-are new versions coming today, upstream define them as [09:48] seb128: doesn't start the dialog when I lock the screen [09:48] " [09:48] The current release, as I mentioned, is very broken. The new one will [09:48] fix a *lot* of major bugs, crashers, API usage, and installation [09:48] issues, as well as usability and visual bugs." [09:48] mdz: can we get freeze exception for that? [09:49] seb128: excellent, thanks. [09:49] np [09:49] tepsipakki: what do you mean? [09:50] actually, when I lock the screen it only fades black [09:51] doesn't show the password-dialog or even the screensaver itself [09:51] but theres some output on the cmdline ;) [09:51] restart your session [09:51] :) [09:52] I have to reinstall this anyway, my sata-disk is being killed [09:52] slow and painful dead.. [09:52] death.. === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-138-31.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] pitti, forget what I told you. I already fixed that [10:03] pitti, I'm doing also a full export for Hoary === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] Riddell: could you update qt3 to not depend on xlibs-static-dev, but rather the correct set of packages it needs? === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] Diziet: ping === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1F11.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] good morning [10:24] hiya daniel [10:24] morning dholbach [10:25] hello Tollef, Andrew - how are you? [10:25] good :) [10:25] angry at all the uninstallable packages. :-) [10:25] I can imagine. === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-153-49.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] dholbach: if you'd coordinate fixing all the stuff which is uninstallable due to the new eds, I'd appreciate that. (seb said he'd start reviewing it, but I don't know if it just landed in his queue or if he's already on it) [10:26] Mithrandir: I uploaded some already. [10:26] uhm, .. coordinate with seb on.., not just coordinate [10:26] coolie, thanks [10:27] new xorg which should fix up a bunch of uninstallables hits after this cron.daily. [10:30] elmo: please remove evolution-caldav. [10:31] dholbach: oh? Has it been integrated into -plugins or upstream? [10:31] into evolution-data-server [10:31] * amd64:132 [10:31] * i386:135 [10:31] * powerpc:124 [10:31] utch [10:32] dholbach: nice. :-) [10:32] lot of packages have installation issues atm [10:32] seb128: a lot of it'll go away with the new xorg, since that reintroduces xutils and xbase-clients. [10:32] Mithrandir: ah nice [10:32] we should probably go through the packages depending on those and fix the deps. [10:32] (at some point, but it's less urgent as long as they are installable) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:45] libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable [10:45] is anybody working on that one? === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.97.95.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] it makes kdelibs4-dev uninstallable, too [10:45] seb128: actually I have [10:45] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [10:45] kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.5-rc1) but it is not going to be installed [10:45] Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.5) but it is not going to be installed [10:45] Depends: libavahi-qt3-dev but it is not going to be installed === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-164.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] raphink: the base issue is what I copied before probably [10:47] hmm [10:47] at what time? [10:47] xlibs-static-dev you mean? [10:48] libqt3-mt-dev needs xlibs-static-dev [10:48] I'm not sure if we should reintroduce that or nuke xlibs-dev. [10:48] hmm [10:48] is 1.5.0 newer than 1.5-rc ? [10:48] dpkg --compare-versions [10:49] thanks ajmitch [10:50] Mithrandir: as Debian sent out FTBFS bugs for the packages that build-dep on xlibs-dev and we probably could just sync/merge their efforts, it might make sense to get rid of it, no? [10:51] dholbach: we're in UVF, though. [10:51] Mithrandir: Debian dropped it we should do it too [10:51] we have one week for merges. [10:51] Kamion_: ^^ any thoughts on what we should do? [10:51] xserver-xorg-input-wacom seems to be gone -evdev seems to have moved to universe, causing -input-all to be uninstallable too. [10:51] Mithrandir: we are still doing remaining sync [10:51] hum [10:52] seb128: yes, but we need to decide what we should do, then go for it. It's not obvious to me that we want to get rid of xlibs-dev just yet; it'll probably hit the motus fairly hard too. [10:52] ~370 packages Build-Depends on xlibs-dev atm [10:52] I would say we have better to do [10:52] let's keep xlibs-dev for now :) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink doesn't get how dpkg --compare-versions work [10:53] that means reintroducing xlibs-static-dev. [10:53] Mithrandir: that would be a lot of work for no win imho [10:53] raphink: dpkg --compare-versions $ver1 lt $ver2 && echo "y" || echo "n" [10:53] oh ok thanks [10:53] seb128: yeah, it's one of those cleanups we want to do, but it's not urgent. IMO. [10:53] Mithrandir: 22 packages Build-Depends on that one, do we need it? [10:53] seb128: xlibs-dev depends on it. That's easily fixed, though. [10:54] Mithrandir: that's one those cleanup we will get for free from Debian after dapper [10:54] yes [10:54] I'd like to have Kamion's opionion before we go for it, though. [10:54] so no point to spend the efforts to rebuild ~370 packages now [10:54] yeah, np [10:54] We have enough time and some new MOTUs can do their first uploads then :-))) [10:55] dholbach: you're evil. ;-) === siretart *sighs* [10:55] Mithrandir: That'd be the soyuz stress test. :-) [10:56] dholbach: sounds like fun :) [10:56] dholbach: yeah, those lazy guys need some action [10:56] hahaha :) [10:56] we seem to have a new kernel uploaded too, time for new lrm and linux-meta, I guess. === dholbach hugs seb === seb128 hugs dholbach [10:56] Mithrandir: another one already? [10:56] -14 now? [10:57] ajmitch: nah, probably just the meta and lrm which needs updating. [10:57] Mithrandir: l-r-m and l-m have been uploaded next to linux [10:57] (according to -changes list) [10:58] seb128: they're listed as being uninstallable, though. [10:58] " * Kernel ABI bump for linux-source-2.6.15 2.6.15-13 (Look Adam!! I got it [10:58] right the first time!!)." [10:58] haha :-) === ajmitch is still waiting for his alsa driver to be fixed upstream :) [10:58] ;) [10:58] might need NEW-ing === martink [n=martin@p54B3A9B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] Mithrandir: tend to agree with seb128 [11:02] Kamion_: so, fix xlibs-dev to depend on the proper set of packages, fix the 22 packages depending on xlibs-static-dev? [11:03] Mithrandir: what needs to change in xlibs-dev? [11:03] Mithrandir: and yeah, only 22 packages seems easy enough to deal with [11:04] Kamion: xlibs-dev depends on xlibs-static-dev [11:04] if we don't reintroduce -static-dev, that needs to be fixed. :-) [11:05] I'll also drop the dependencies on non-existing -input and -driver packages. [11:05] ah, ok [11:05] if we could have the rest promoted (under the obvious, we already had the code in xorg), xorg should be happy. [11:06] obvious rule, even [11:06] sounds like a plan? [11:07] Kamion, no bazaar archive just a patch for cd-image xubuntu bits [11:07] http://startx.ro/jani/ubuntu/xubuntu-cd/ [11:08] Diziet: unping; translations did not work any more, but that was just due to the s/mozilla-firefox/firefox/ path change [11:09] Diziet: btw, set -e was a great idea; it uncovered a lot of bugs in the xpi processing === mvo [n=egon@pD951C930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] Mithrandir: sounds reasonable [11:10] janimo: ok, will look once I've wound through the rest of this morning's to-do list [11:10] thanks [11:10] Kamion: thanks, effectuating that, then. [11:11] is that better than "doing"? [11:11] it's the same, I think. [11:11] heh [11:16] janimo: fyi, you'll need to merge the commit I just made to the Ubuntu seeds for 2.6.15-13 === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.97.95.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] Mithrandir: uploading new m-f-l-all package now; I had to fix a fair number of bugs, so it took a little longer [11:20] pitti: thanks a lot. [11:20] but now I can enjoy a German firefox again :) === seb128 would enjoy a french epiphany browser if somebody was updating the language-packs for gnome :p [11:22] seb128: sorry, pitti just updated the german one. :-p === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] seb128: langpacks are on today's list, too === jvw_ [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] seb128: OTOH my list today is scaringly long (well, as always), let's hope I'll manage it === seb128 hugs pitti [11:24] Hi jvw_, how are you? [11:24] pitti: I know that too well ... [11:24] Mithrandir: should I upload a qt which doesn't depend on xlibs-static-dev? [11:24] pitti: I tend to finish my TODO list at 2am this week [11:24] Riddell: that would be nice, so poppler could build [11:24] Riddell: does it use libxf86config? [11:25] seb128: oh, it built fine for me? [11:25] Mithrandir: I don't see why it should [11:25] Riddell: just nuke the dependency, then. [11:25] pitti: "libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installabl" on the buildd [11:26] (s/bl/ble) === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] there, new xorg uploaded. Let's see how this fares. [11:29] anothe one? *sigh* [11:30] yesterday we already had about 3000 mDhanielStones... [11:32] just xorg, it's just a meta package. === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulaas [n=ulas@ant-a5-02-asy17.ant-ro-01.superonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] slomo: ping === dexem [n=dani@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [n=jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] hi! whats up with X? [11:54] Kamion, will do the seed merge now === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] ulaas: in the middle of a couple of transitions. [11:56] Mithrandir: thanx for reply. any way to solve it manually just to ease the pain or wait? [11:56] janimo: thanks === herzi [n=herzi@c153119.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] Kamion, actually bzr pull brings no changes in ubuntu-dapper [11:57] ulaas: just wait, it will hopefully be ok in a few hours [11:57] Mithrandir: ohh thats great news. thats fast. thank you so much you guys rock!! [11:58] btw how urgent are these syncs usually? I check the seeds once every couple of days or even more ferquently [11:58] ls === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] hehe === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] janimo: perhaps you have an http_proxy set? I definitely pushed changes this morning [12:04] I do have http_proxy [12:04] try unsetting and pulling again [12:04] I want; aware it was caching these too [12:05] yeah, it can be a bit annoying [12:05] it'll be more urgent once we start building xubuntu CDs; this particular change is necessary for CD images to keep working at all [12:05] kernel ABI transitions are like that ... === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] Kamion, ok I'll see about them being up-to date and fix the proxy, thanks === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] re [12:08] great [12:08] xorg is b0rked [12:09] where is daniels when you need him? :) [12:09] seb128: what' b0rked this time? [12:09] $ setxkbmap -layout 'fr' -model pc105 -print | xkbcomp - :0.0 2>&1 | grep -v Warning [12:09] Ignoring extra symbols [12:09] X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) [12:09] Major opcode of failed request: 148 (XKEYBOARD) [12:09] Minor opcode of failed request: 9 (XkbSetMap) [12:09] seb128: the X->Xorg missing symlink? [12:09] what's, even [12:09] oh, fun. [12:09] ie: gnome-settings-daemon just crash [12:09] no theme, ni icon for GNOME [12:10] seb128: you were taking xkb, weren't you? :-) [12:10] . o O { I feel like saying similar things when seeing a French keyboard :) } [12:10] haha [12:10] Mithrandir: does it start by a g? *g* [12:10] Mithrandir: quick, rename the package [12:10] pitti: I'll bring you a french keyboard, you will learn loving them :) [12:11] seb128: that's easily fixed. :-) Seriously, didn't you and daniels talk about that at UBZ? [12:11] seb128: oh, I converted from de to en_US some months ago, I'm happy with that :) [12:12] Mithrandir: yep I did, but I'm not as skilled as him in that area, I know some stuff but I could still use some advice from him :) [12:12] Riddell: hrm, kdelibs breezy-securit still has -ubuntu2, not 1.1, but nevermind [12:13] pitti: BTW it chockes the same way on "de" [12:13] hm, I can type German and Russian fine here, lemme try that command [12:14] seb128: I get a ton of warnings, but no errors [12:14] pitti: so that's something local to my box, *great* :) [12:14] seb128: hmm, how do I teach the gnome keyboard selector to take over again? that setxkbmap command disabled it [12:15] pitti: the applet of the capplet? [12:15] hm, whatever is in my panel and allows me to change keyboard layout [12:15] right click on it, there is a menu [12:16] try picking it again === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] seb128: does 2.13 still crash a lot when doing keyboard stuff in control-center? [12:16] jordi: if you use bugged xorg yep [12:16] hrm [12:16] should be more robust [12:16] jordi: those crash are due to xorg errors, not to GNOME === _mvo_ [n=egon@pD951C930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] jordi: try beeing robust to something that crash under your feet ... :) [12:17] seb128: doesn't work [12:17] pitti: select an another one switch back :) [12:17] seb128: ah [12:17] so it's the libs crashing [12:17] that's bad [12:17] seb128: well, I can't select another one any more, that's the problem [12:18] pitti: what does it do? === spacey [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] seb128: I can click on whatever I want, and even reset to defaults and add the other lazouts again [12:19] layouts, even )bah= [12:19] (bah) [12:19] seb128: is xklavier 2.1 safe? [12:19] hm, typing on de is *hard* [12:19] jordi: it should yep [12:19] seb128: I'll nmu debian now then [12:19] pitti: killall gnome-settings-daemon :) [12:19] Kamion: can you please promote xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-driver-sisusb and xserver-xorg-driver-voodoo under the "we had this source in main already" rule? [12:20] seb128: merci, that was it [12:20] pitti: np :) [12:20] Mithrandir: done [12:21] Kamion: thanks === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-242-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] seb128: where has libtotem-plparser0 gone? There's a bunch of stuff which is uninstallable because of it. [12:25] Mithrandir: soname bump [12:25] Mithrandir: I'm doing that right now [12:25] great, thanks. [12:25] sorry for nagging.. it's just that it's one of the relativetly few things holding back a working live cd. [12:25] or at least, a buildable one. === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6414B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] Mithrandir: np === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] Good morning Ubugtu ! [12:30] Hi Seveas [12:31] hi there === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-244-223.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178024124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@dslb-084-059-006-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-80-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] mvo: ping [12:57] hello HiddenWolf [12:57] Hi. :) [12:58] Just saw your screenshots for the dist-upgrader. [12:58] screenshots gave me the impression the progress bar indicates only the progress of the step, rather than for the progress. [12:58] eh, process [12:59] yes, mpt complained about that though. so it will probably change [12:59] Please. if a progress bar moves to hunderd, you get that feeling in your gut that it's nearly done. [12:59] also it can be frustrating I guess to wait for the upgrade process. because it can take *ages* [12:59] to get through all stages including downloading and installing :) [01:00] I'd suggest have 2 progress bars. One for the current step, one for overall progress. [01:00] People want to know how much time it'll take, even if roughly. [01:00] they also dont' want to see a "frozen" progress bar [01:01] sorry, my lunch is ready, we must discuss that further late :) [01:01] :) [01:02] but I fully agree [01:06] Go eat. :) [01:07] HiddenWolf, progress of subsidiary tasks is better shown using text underneath the progress bar [01:09] Whenever I see a progress bar that fills up and then empties again I think "well, make up your mind, are you finished or not?" [01:11] Riddell: any idea why libkipi has heaps of po files, but doesn't build .mo files out of them? [01:13] pitti: nope, let me have a look [01:19] pitti: it seems to make .gmo files [01:19] grumpf [01:19] what is a .gmo? [01:19] the same as a .mo with a different name? [01:19] just what I was wondering [01:20] pitti: yep [01:20] ok, so shall I teach pkgstriptranslations to strip those as well [01:20] Files ending with `.gmo' are really MO files, when it is known that these files use the GNU format. [01:21] from infor gettext [01:21] info [01:21] and teach langpack-o-matic about them? [01:21] thanks janimo [01:21] pitti: the po folder has .gmo files after the build and they are installed as mo usually [01:21] evince and gdm uses those too [01:21] seb128: I see [01:22] seb128: but I only consider the installed, not the built mo files [01:22] pitti: is there some package installing .gmo? [01:22] Riddell: would it hurt to install the files with a .mo extension? [01:22] seb128: can't be many [01:22] is there any? [01:22] that seems weird to me [01:23] I don't have any [01:23] but indeed, package builds produce .gmo often === Cassidy [n=gdesmott@di-pc76.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] pitti: they do get installed with a .mo, but the package doesn't put them in either of the .debs, I'll fix that now [01:23] Riddell: ah, I see :) [01:24] thanks [01:24] latest firefox keeps segfaulting on me [01:24] wont start [01:24] tepsipakki: even without esddsp? [01:24]