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| keithhhhhhhhhh | Hello ;) | 12:56 |
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| LaserJock | hi keithhhhhhhhhh | 12:57 |
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| keithhhhhhhhhh | laser- have you been using ubuntu long? | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | since Hoary | 12:58 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | When is that? | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | umm, something like last May or early June | 12:59 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | hehe ok | 12:59 |
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| keithhhhhhhhhh | looks great so Im thinking about playing with it | 12:59 |
| LaserJock | have you tried other linux distros before? | 12:59 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | a little | 01:00 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I can navigate | 01:00 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I just like the concept of only one program per task...from what I understand that is Ubuntu | 01:00 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | Ive tried other distros | 01:01 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | but after installing I find it hellish figure what I actually installed | 01:01 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | hmmm I trying to remember what the dos prompt is callled | 01:02 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | terminal? | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | yep | 01:02 |
| LaserJock | well, if you stick with it Ubuntu should be great | 01:02 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | Is there any terminal applications in the base install of ubuntu? | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | sometimes you won't be necessarily used to the way things are done, but there is plenty of good documentation and help | 01:03 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | cool | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | sure, there are lots of terminal apps. But I think you should be able to do most everything without using the terminal | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | a lot of us find the terminal is very powerful though | 01:04 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | oh ya sure | 01:04 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I just want to know if there is programs in the base install | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | lots of them | 01:04 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | hmmm | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | not that you have to use them | 01:04 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | Is there an decent Ubuntu book that can be puchased? | 01:04 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | actually I like terminal programs too ;) | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | I think there are a few being written but I'm not sure if there is one out already | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | help.ubuntu.com is a good resource | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | as is the wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com | 01:05 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | so then how the *(&())* will I know what I installed | 01:05 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | cool thanks ;) | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | well, you can look in the menu and you can look in synaptic (the package manager) | 01:06 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | bookmarking those sites | 01:06 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | ya I could except the terminal programs arent listed | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is a good place to start on the wiki | 01:07 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | cool thanks | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well. I wouldn't give up to soon. Sometimes the way linux does things is a bit different, but usually it is done for a good reason | 01:07 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | do you think it will work on a p200 with 80megs of ram? | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | ummm, maybe. that's pretty marginal | 01:08 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | (I tried a live disk on my current system p4 3.06 and of course it ran well) | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | usually linux uses a lot of RAM | 01:08 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | ya I was thinking that | 01:08 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | ya I noticed that also ;) | 01:09 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I have some free time next week so Im thinking about getting an old laptop | 01:10 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | throwing linux on it and putting it into the living room | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | anyway, the documentation at help.ubuntu.com (also in the menu at System -> Help) and the wiki should help you to figure out what programs do what | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | you might consider Xubuntu | 01:11 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | oh interesting I never heard of that | 01:11 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I assume Xubuntu runs off the x window system eh | 01:11 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | ? | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | it actually uses XFCE as the desktop instead of Gnome. | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | it is a bit lighter | 01:12 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | never heard of that XFCE | 01:12 |
| LaserJock | http://www.xfce.org/ | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | what you can do I think is do a server instal of Ubuntu which just installs the minimum amout of programs (maybe not even X) | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | and then you install xubuntu-desktop which pulls in the other programs you need. | 01:14 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | that would actually a really cool idea thanks | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingXubuntu has more info | 01:15 |
| LaserJock | it might take a little bit of terminal work, but for an old computer it should work better | 01:16 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | hmmmmm | 01:17 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | thanks for the advice | 01:17 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I need to make this as idiot proof as possible | 01:17 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | because my family will use this for the internet also ;) | 01:17 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I think I need to make a list of essential software ;) | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | actually, if you do the xubuntu-install it should have most everything you will need | 01:18 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | sounds great | 01:19 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | Im reading right now :) | 01:19 |
| tck | anyone use xfce4 ? | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | I have in the past | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | been a while though | 01:31 |
| tck | the xfce4-terminal | 01:31 |
| tck | it opens up quite large | 01:31 |
| tck | any way to make it smaller ? | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't know I'm afraid. Sorry | 01:32 |
| Burgwork | tck, you are better to ask in #xubuntu | 01:32 |
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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 01:38 |
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| theCore | Good evening, LaserJock | 01:40 |
| theCore | so, anything new? | 01:40 |
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| LaserJock | oh, lots of stuff in the MOTU world, not so much in the doc world | 01:40 |
| theCore | eh ... we should do a doc-o-thon some day | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | I agree. I just need to get some real life work in there somewhere | 01:42 |
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| crimsun | hey I protest that. I'm surrounded by attractive young ladies, thank you very much. | 01:43 |
| Burgwork | sadly I am not | 01:43 |
| theCore | Burgwork, were do you work? | 01:43 |
| Burgwork | theCore, Userful | 01:43 |
| LaserJock | I'm surrounded by lasers and machines, not a whole lot of people | 01:44 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | that's why I'm here. I can get my human contact ;-) | 01:44 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:44 |
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| Kyral | Jeez when is the installer coming out | 01:45 |
| Kyral | Then I can start pulling my weight around here | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | Kyral, RSN | 01:46 |
| Kyral | RSN? | 01:46 |
| Burgwork | yep | 01:46 |
| crimsun | ("real soon now") | 01:46 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:46 |
| Kyral | okay | 01:46 |
| LaserJock | dang it! 2 days in a row I've spilt cider on my desk. When will they make a geek-proof mug? | 01:46 |
| Kyral | haha | 01:47 |
| Burgwork | http://beaglewiki.org/Beagle_UI_Hackfest <-- take a look at the screenshot closely | 01:47 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | if its alcoholic cider | 01:47 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | that would explain alot | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | keithhhhhhhhhh: I don't even have that excuse | 01:48 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | hehehehe | 01:48 |
| theCore | keithhhhhhhhhh, do you know that you have too many `h' in your nick? ;) | 01:49 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | ya sick of typing in keith | 01:49 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | only to find out its taken | 01:49 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | hehe | 01:49 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | also just started IRCing | 01:49 |
| keithhhhhhhhhh | I havent IRCed in a long time | 01:50 |
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| theCore | do you really need the 7 other`h' ? | 01:51 |
| theCore | ;) | 01:51 |
| theCore | Burgwork, sweet | 01:51 |
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| theCore | Burgwork, is it just me or they are really using .NET ? | 01:59 |
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| jaguardawg | hello? | 02:59 |
| theCore | jaguardawg, hi! | 02:59 |
| jaguardawg | can i just ask a question whenever? | 02:59 |
| jaguardawg | has anyone else experienced a 'crc error' when trying to install ubuntu? | 03:00 |
| theCore | crc error? | 03:01 |
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| nalioth | hi y'all | 03:01 |
| nalioth | who is responsible for this >>> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/index.html | 03:01 |
| jaguardawg | that's what it said | 03:01 |
| theCore | I don't did you tried the ask the #ubuntu | 03:01 |
| jaguardawg | i booted the computer, and chose 'enter', because i am not setting up a server | 03:01 |
| jaguardawg | where is that? | 03:02 |
| theCore | at #ubuntu | 03:02 |
| theCore | it is the official support channel | 03:02 |
| jaguardawg | it thought that was this channel? | 03:02 |
| nalioth | the reason i ask 'who is responsible' is that i find its layout disconcerting | 03:03 |
| theCore | here is the documentation channel | 03:03 |
| nalioth | jaguardawg: no, #ubuntu is the official support channel | 03:03 |
| theCore | nalioth, this is the old starter guide | 03:04 |
| nalioth | it's still linked from help.ubuntu.com | 03:04 |
| theCore | the new is located at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html | 03:05 |
| theCore | new one* | 03:05 |
| nalioth | all i'd like to point out (i'da fixed it myself if it was the wiki) is that the revisions should be down at the bottom | 03:05 |
| nalioth | i've never been to h.u.c before now, and the first thing i click on for ubuntu starter guide is the above URL | 03:05 |
| nalioth | if it's old, it doesnt need to be on h.u.c, yes? | 03:06 |
| nalioth | i clicked on "ubuntu starter guide (multiple pages)" | 03:06 |
| theCore | help.ubuntu.com is updated at each release of ubuntu | 03:06 |
| nalioth | theCore: that has nothing to do with this. i'd hope the h.u.c was updated more often than that | 03:07 |
| theCore | BTW, the docteam doesn't really control h.u.c | 03:07 |
| nalioth | theCore: ok. who does then? | 03:07 |
| theCore | the ubuntu webmasters | 03:08 |
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| nalioth | i thought the doc team was in charge of all documentation (web, etc0 | 03:08 |
| theCore | true, but they control h.u.c | 03:09 |
| theCore | they don't* | 03:09 |
| theCore | however, I don't know much about it | 03:09 |
| nalioth | this makes no sense to me. now i have to hunt up someone else | 03:10 |
| theCore | try to send a email to the mailing-list | 03:10 |
| nalioth | <sigh> | 03:10 |
| nalioth | ok, sorry to bother you folks | 03:10 |
| nalioth | ty for the info | 03:11 |
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| theCore | bshumate, do you know who are the folks that maintain help.ubuntu.com ? | 03:45 |
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| Burgundavia | salut robitaille | 06:16 |
| robitaille | Bonsour Burgundavia | 06:20 |
| robitaille | or better bonsoir... | 06:20 |
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| bhuvan | ping robotgeek | 06:41 |
| robotgeek | hey bhuvan | 06:42 |
| bhuvan | robotgeek, where are you from ? | 06:42 |
| robotgeek | bhuvan: india, now in TX | 06:42 |
| bhuvan | cool! which city in india ? | 06:43 |
| robotgeek | hyderabad | 06:43 |
| bhuvan | excellent! | 06:43 |
| robotgeek | bhuvan: you? | 06:44 |
| bhuvan | india, chennai! | 06:44 |
| robotgeek | i am actually a tamilian :) | 06:44 |
| bhuvan | glad to hear and me too! | 06:44 |
| robotgeek | where in chennai? i have relatives there (mylapore, mambalam) | 06:45 |
| bhuvan | i stay at adambakkam (near guindy) | 06:45 |
| robotgeek | nice, near the IIT? | 06:52 |
| bhuvan | robotgeek, yep | 06:54 |
| robotgeek | nice bhuvan been there once or twice. not too smart to get in :) | 06:54 |
| bhuvan | ilugc (indian linux user group of chennai) meet there every month | 06:55 |
| robotgeek | hmm, 3 years since i left home | 06:56 |
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| ompaul | moin - brain is not working this morning, there is a function somewhere where people can click on a button to submit hardware anyone got docs on same? | 10:18 |
| ompaul | please allow me rephrase that - anyone got a pointer to docs on same | 10:18 |
| mdke_ | applications -> system tools -> Ubuntu Device Database -> Help | 10:19 |
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| ompaul | mdke_, sorry was working on other stuff, again thanks | 11:02 |
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| jjesse | morning mgalvin | 03:13 |
| mgalvin | jjesse: good morning | 03:14 |
| mgalvin | good morning all | 03:14 |
| mdke | hello | 03:18 |
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| robotgeek | did anyone else come up with an idea for a screencast introduction to ubuntu (or maybe someone did, and decided that it would not fit on the CD?) | 04:43 |
| Kyral | hmm | 04:46 |
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| jjesse | i don't think that was ever finalized? | 04:46 |
| robotgeek | i think it would be nice, and people might prefer to do screencasts, rather than document | 04:48 |
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| mdke | there is one in the works | 04:53 |
| mdke | a flash presentation which runs during the install, i think | 04:53 |
| mdke | dunno if it will happen | 04:53 |
| robotgeek | why flash? | 04:54 |
| robotgeek | GPL Flash needs to get more stable, i think | 04:54 |
| mdke | dunno | 04:54 |
| mdke | they are gonna keep it simple | 04:55 |
| robotgeek | i'll try out amd maybe submit statistics on sizes and etc | 04:55 |
| mdke | the technical side is being handled by a professional i think | 04:55 |
| jjesse | i hope first they remove the require to be connected to the internet to have a nice and easy install :( | 04:56 |
| jjesse | do you know how much of a pain it is to be a dial-up user trying to install dapper? | 04:56 |
| robotgeek | ah okay, i'll stick to the docs then | 04:56 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: really, you mean for the universe stuff? | 04:57 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: no i mean for a basic install, when you install dapper it goes out to the internet to download a release file which didn't occur during breezy install | 04:57 |
| jjesse | and if you aren't connected via a network to high speed or something like that you have to do an "expert" mode | 04:58 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: hmm, i did not notice that | 04:58 |
| jjesse | robotgeek: do you have highspeed? | 04:58 |
| jjesse | or broadband? | 04:59 |
| robotgeek | yeah, adsl | 04:59 |
| jjesse | try an install w/o connected to the internet | 04:59 |
| robotgeek | hmm, okay. i have a flight3 install pending, for kubuntu | 05:00 |
| jjesse | it also scnas the different repositories when configuring apt which means once again internet connectivity :( | 05:00 |
| mgalvin | jjesse: by the time dapper is released that should be fixed... the installer should not need the inet | 05:01 |
| jjesse | mgalvin: it was/is a frustrating part of installing dapper | 05:01 |
| mgalvin | i understand... i have cable... but oh man i remember those painful dialup days | 05:02 |
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| robotgeek | screencasting lacks a good tool :) | 05:25 |
| robotgeek | i'll stick to screenshots + text documentation . back to the wiki | 05:25 |
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| mdke | hey jeffsch | 09:09 |
| jeffsch | hey man | 09:09 |
| jeffsch | howz it goin? | 09:10 |
| mdke | good thanks | 09:10 |
| mdke | i'm just on my way out, just wanted to say thanks for sorting out some stuff in generic/ | 09:10 |
| jeffsch | np | 09:10 |
| mdke | wrt the Makefile, we don't need packageguide or serverguide in there because they'll be called by the ubuntu/kubuntu Makefiles | 09:10 |
| mdke | currently for the preview server they are in ubuntu/Makefile | 09:11 |
| mdke | anyhow, hope you're well, got to run | 09:11 |
| robotgeek | later mdke | 09:11 |
| mdke | byee | 09:11 |
| jeffsch | cya | 09:11 |
| robotgeek | Am i blind, or are these two pages same https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary | 09:21 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKimset2005Hoary | 09:21 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup 220 221 | 09:21 |
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| mgalvin | in case anyone is interested i just wrote up (on my blog) how to use qemu to create vmware images and use them with vmware player so it can all be done freely | 10:07 |
| Kyral | Wikipage? | 10:07 |
| mgalvin | i find it useful for testing and taking my screen shots | 10:07 |
| mgalvin | my blog (for now) | 10:07 |
| jjesse | mgalvin: awesome, i use qemu all the time running dapper and debian in qemu right now | 10:08 |
| jjesse | what is your blog page | 10:08 |
| Kyral | Make one I meant lol | 10:08 |
| mgalvin | http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/ | 10:08 |
| Kyral | Yea! Now I can do a LFS Install :D | 10:09 |
| Kyral | without messing with my parts ;P | 10:09 |
| mgalvin | Kyral, i'll clean it up and make a wiki page when i have some more free time | 10:09 |
| mgalvin | :) | 10:09 |
| Kyral | what blogservice is that? | 10:09 |
| Kyral | gak no Debpack for VMWare Player | 10:11 |
| mgalvin | Kyral: it my own hosted site and i am just using wordpress | 10:12 |
| jjesse | you have to download it from vmare.com | 10:12 |
| Kyral | yah | 10:12 |
| Kyral | stull | 10:12 |
| Kyral | NO DEBPACK ;P | 10:12 |
| Kyral | Just RPM and Tarball | 10:12 |
| Kyral | hmmm | 10:14 |
| Kyral | Now I can test MANY distros :D | 10:14 |
| Kyral | SuSE here I come ;P | 10:14 |
| mgalvin | i worked out how to do it b/c qemu is simply to slow for me to deal with when i reinstall dapper so often :) | 10:16 |
| Kyral | lol | 10:16 |
| Kyral | I just wanna try SuSE | 10:16 |
| Kyral | and maybe give Gentoo another whirl | 10:16 |
| Kyral | I wonder how much those images can be compressed? | 10:16 |
| mgalvin | not sure | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: so you just install into the vmware using an .iso? | 10:17 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: yup (or a physical CD if you want) | 10:18 |
| mgalvin | ide1:0.fileName = /home/mgalvin/Desktop/dapper-install-i386.iso | 10:18 |
| mgalvin | just set that line to the location of the iso you want to use | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: do you think a liveCD would work? | 10:18 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: um, i didn't try yet, but it should probably work | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | I have .iso from a couple of liveCD's that I wanted to test. That might work well | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | I'll have to try it out | 10:20 |
| mgalvin | go for it, let me know how it turns out | 10:20 |
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| mgalvin | i'll probably try it when i get home too | 10:21 |
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| Kyral | ..how would I mount 5 SuSE Install CDs? | 10:33 |
| Kyral | in VMWare.. | 10:34 |
| mgalvin | Kyral: ouch... um, there should be a way to switch the iso image, lemme check | 10:35 |
| mgalvin | OR, use a dvd iso | 10:35 |
| Kyral | DVD Iso Not on my local mirror ;P | 10:36 |
| crimsun | should be on umn.edu, though, and you have I2 to there | 10:37 |
| Kyral | Clarkson? | 10:37 |
| Kyral | Yah I actuallu lol | 10:37 |
| crimsun | nearly all US unis are on i2 | 10:37 |
| Kyral | what is it Mirror? | 10:37 |
| Kyral | mirror.umm.edu? | 10:37 |
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| crimsun | mirror.cs.umn.edu, which seems to be hosed atm? | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | mdke: did you see the link for bug 29162 ? | 10:39 |
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| Burgundavia | LaserJock, how good is your Ubuntu server knowledge? | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | Kyral, what about you ^ | 10:45 |
| Kyral | uhh | 10:45 |
| Kyral | Depends | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | uhh, what do you mean? | 10:45 |
| Kyral | you mean like running a server? | 10:45 |
| Kyral | Or the Package itself? | 10:45 |
| Burgundavia | writing some stuff on it | 10:45 |
| Kyral | I know some about SSH | 10:45 |
| Kyral | and IPTables | 10:45 |
| Kyral | but I haven't really messed with server | 10:46 |
| Kyral | though I have been meaning too | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, do you think you could write a piece on the server? | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | I really don't know anything about servers | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | ah, ok | 10:47 |
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| Kyral | I could learn hehehe | 10:47 |
| Kyral | VMWare here I come ;P | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: you might try a call for contribution from -motu or -devel | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 10:48 |
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| mgalvin | later all | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | darn, he left | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | I can't get his .vmx to work | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | anybody got an email for bhuvan? | 11:02 |
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| Burgundavia | never mind | 11:03 |
| Kyral | okuch | 11:05 |
| Kyral | LRM wasn't updated...so I had to recompile the NVidia Module | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | I just switched to nv for a while | 11:07 |
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| robotgeek | Burgundavia: ping | 12:01 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, pongers | 12:01 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: here? | 12:01 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: yup, whats up | 12:02 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: do you think it's a good idea to move all the wireless configuration pages to something like a WirelessHardware/<Chipset> | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | mgalvin: your vmware thing worked for a livecd. The only thing is I had to replace all the quotes | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, sounds sane to me | 12:02 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, you can use qemu to do a livecd as well | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: that's what i'm doing | 12:03 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: sweet :) | 12:03 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: of course, redirects will be in place | 12:03 |
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