[12:56] <keithhhhhhhhhh> Hello ;)
[12:57] <LaserJock> hi keithhhhhhhhhh 
[12:58] <keithhhhhhhhhh> laser- have you been using ubuntu long?
[12:58] <LaserJock> since Hoary
[12:58] <keithhhhhhhhhh> When is that?
[12:59] <LaserJock> umm, something like last May or early June
[12:59] <keithhhhhhhhhh> hehe ok
[12:59] <keithhhhhhhhhh> looks great so Im thinking about playing with it
[12:59] <LaserJock> have you tried other linux distros before?
[01:00] <keithhhhhhhhhh> a little
[01:00] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I can navigate 
[01:00] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I just like the concept of only one program per task...from what I understand that is Ubuntu
[01:01] <keithhhhhhhhhh> Ive tried other distros
[01:01] <keithhhhhhhhhh> but after installing I find it hellish figure what I actually installed
[01:02] <keithhhhhhhhhh> hmmm I trying to remember what the dos prompt is callled
[01:02] <keithhhhhhhhhh> terminal?
[01:02] <LaserJock> yep
[01:02] <LaserJock> well, if you stick with it Ubuntu should be great
[01:03] <keithhhhhhhhhh> Is there any terminal applications in the base install of ubuntu?
[01:03] <LaserJock> sometimes you won't be necessarily used to the way things are done, but there is plenty of good documentation and help
[01:03] <keithhhhhhhhhh> cool
[01:03] <LaserJock> sure, there are lots of terminal apps. But I think you should be able to do most everything without using the terminal
[01:04] <LaserJock> a lot of us find the terminal is very powerful though
[01:04] <keithhhhhhhhhh> oh ya sure
[01:04] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I just want to know if there is programs in the base install
[01:04] <LaserJock> lots of them
[01:04] <keithhhhhhhhhh> hmmm
[01:04] <LaserJock> not that you have to use them
[01:04] <keithhhhhhhhhh> Is there an decent Ubuntu book that can be puchased?
[01:05] <keithhhhhhhhhh> actually I like terminal programs too ;)
[01:05] <LaserJock> I think there are a few being written but I'm not sure if there is one out already
[01:05] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com is a good resource
[01:05] <LaserJock> as is the wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:05] <keithhhhhhhhhh> so then how the *(&())* will I know what I installed
[01:05] <keithhhhhhhhhh> cool thanks ;)
[01:06] <LaserJock> well, you can look in the menu and you can look in synaptic (the package manager)
[01:06] <keithhhhhhhhhh> bookmarking those sites
[01:06] <keithhhhhhhhhh> ya I could except the terminal programs arent listed
[01:07] <LaserJock> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is a good place to start on the wiki
[01:07] <keithhhhhhhhhh> cool thanks
[01:07] <LaserJock> hmm, well. I wouldn't give up to soon. Sometimes the way linux does things is a bit different, but usually it is done for a good reason
[01:08] <keithhhhhhhhhh> do you think it will work on a p200 with 80megs of ram?
[01:08] <LaserJock> ummm, maybe. that's pretty marginal
[01:08] <keithhhhhhhhhh> (I tried a live disk on my current system p4 3.06 and of course it ran well)
[01:08] <LaserJock> usually linux uses a lot of RAM
[01:08] <keithhhhhhhhhh> ya I was thinking that
[01:09] <keithhhhhhhhhh> ya I noticed that also ;)
[01:10] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I have some free time next week so Im thinking about getting an old laptop
[01:10] <keithhhhhhhhhh> throwing linux on it and putting it into the living room
[01:11] <LaserJock> anyway, the documentation at help.ubuntu.com (also in the menu at System -> Help) and the wiki should help you to figure out what programs do what
[01:11] <LaserJock> you might consider Xubuntu
[01:11] <keithhhhhhhhhh> oh interesting I never heard of that
[01:11] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I assume Xubuntu runs off the x window system eh
[01:11] <keithhhhhhhhhh> ?
[01:12] <LaserJock> it actually uses XFCE as the desktop instead of Gnome.
[01:12] <LaserJock> it is a bit lighter
[01:12] <keithhhhhhhhhh> never heard of that XFCE
[01:13] <LaserJock> http://www.xfce.org/
[01:14] <LaserJock> what you can do I think is do a server instal of Ubuntu which just installs the minimum amout of programs (maybe not even X)
[01:14] <LaserJock> and then you install xubuntu-desktop which pulls in the other programs you need.
[01:15] <keithhhhhhhhhh> that would actually a really cool idea thanks
[01:15] <LaserJock> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingXubuntu has more info
[01:16] <LaserJock> it might take a little bit of terminal work, but for an old computer it should work better
[01:17] <keithhhhhhhhhh> hmmmmm
[01:17] <keithhhhhhhhhh> thanks for the advice
[01:17] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I need to make this as idiot proof as possible
[01:17] <keithhhhhhhhhh> because my family will use this for the internet also ;)
[01:18] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I think I need to make a list of essential software ;)
[01:18] <LaserJock> actually, if you do the xubuntu-install it should have most everything you will need
[01:19] <keithhhhhhhhhh> sounds great
[01:19] <keithhhhhhhhhh> Im reading right now :)
[01:30] <tck> anyone use xfce4 ?
[01:31] <LaserJock> I have in the past
[01:31] <LaserJock> been a while though
[01:31] <tck> the xfce4-terminal
[01:31] <tck> it opens up quite large
[01:31] <tck> any way to make it smaller ?
[01:32] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know I'm afraid. Sorry
[01:32] <Burgwork> tck, you are better to ask in #xubuntu
[01:38] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[01:40] <theCore> Good evening, LaserJock 
[01:40] <theCore> so, anything new?
[01:40] <LaserJock> oh, lots of stuff in the MOTU world, not so much in the doc world
[01:42] <theCore> eh ... we should do a doc-o-thon some day
[01:42] <LaserJock> I agree. I just need to get some real life work in there somewhere
[01:43] <crimsun> hey I protest that. I'm surrounded by attractive young ladies, thank you very much.
[01:43] <Burgwork> sadly I am not
[01:43] <theCore> Burgwork, were do you work?
[01:43] <Burgwork> theCore, Userful
[01:44] <LaserJock> I'm surrounded by lasers and machines, not a whole lot of people
[01:44] <Kyral> lol
[01:44] <LaserJock> that's why I'm here. I can get my human contact ;-)
[01:44] <Kyral> lol
[01:45] <Kyral> Jeez when is the installer coming out
[01:45] <Kyral> Then I can start pulling my weight around here
[01:46] <Burgwork> Kyral, RSN
[01:46] <Kyral> RSN?
[01:46] <Burgwork> yep
[01:46] <crimsun> ("real soon now")
[01:46] <Kyral> lol
[01:46] <Kyral> okay
[01:46] <LaserJock> dang it! 2 days in a row I've spilt cider on my desk. When will they make a geek-proof mug?
[01:47] <Kyral> haha
[01:47] <Burgwork> http://beaglewiki.org/Beagle_UI_Hackfest <-- take a look at the screenshot closely
[01:47] <keithhhhhhhhhh> if its alcoholic cider
[01:47] <keithhhhhhhhhh> that would explain alot
[01:48] <LaserJock> keithhhhhhhhhh: I don't even have that excuse
[01:48] <keithhhhhhhhhh> hehehehe
[01:49] <theCore> keithhhhhhhhhh, do you know that you have too many `h' in your nick? ;)
[01:49] <keithhhhhhhhhh> ya sick of typing in keith
[01:49] <keithhhhhhhhhh> only to find out its taken
[01:49] <keithhhhhhhhhh> hehe
[01:49] <keithhhhhhhhhh> also just started IRCing
[01:50] <keithhhhhhhhhh> I havent IRCed in a long time
[01:51] <theCore> do you really need the 7 other`h' ?
[01:51] <theCore> ;)
[01:51] <theCore> Burgwork, sweet
[01:59] <theCore> Burgwork, is it just me or they are really using .NET ?
[02:59] <jaguardawg> hello?
[02:59] <theCore> jaguardawg, hi!
[02:59] <jaguardawg> can i just ask a question whenever?
[03:00] <jaguardawg> has anyone else experienced a 'crc error' when trying to install ubuntu?
[03:01] <theCore> crc error?
[03:01] <nalioth> hi y'all
[03:01] <nalioth> who is responsible for this >>> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/index.html
[03:01] <jaguardawg> that's what it said
[03:01] <theCore> I don't did you tried the ask the #ubuntu
[03:01] <jaguardawg> i booted the computer, and chose 'enter', because i am not setting up a server
[03:02] <jaguardawg> where is that?
[03:02] <theCore> at #ubuntu
[03:02] <theCore> it is the official support channel
[03:02] <jaguardawg> it thought that was this channel?
[03:03] <nalioth> the reason i ask 'who is responsible' is that i find its layout disconcerting
[03:03] <theCore> here is the documentation channel
[03:03] <nalioth> jaguardawg: no, #ubuntu is the official support channel
[03:04] <theCore> nalioth, this is the old starter guide
[03:04] <nalioth> it's still linked from help.ubuntu.com
[03:05] <theCore> the new is located at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
[03:05] <theCore> new one*
[03:05] <nalioth> all i'd like to point out (i'da fixed it myself if it was the wiki) is that the revisions should be down at the bottom
[03:05] <nalioth> i've never been to h.u.c before now, and the first thing i click on for ubuntu starter guide is the above URL
[03:06] <nalioth> if it's old, it doesnt need to be on h.u.c, yes?
[03:06] <nalioth> i clicked on "ubuntu starter guide (multiple pages)"
[03:06] <theCore> help.ubuntu.com is updated at each release of ubuntu 
[03:07] <nalioth> theCore: that has nothing to do with this. i'd hope the h.u.c was updated more often than that
[03:07] <theCore> BTW, the docteam doesn't really control h.u.c
[03:07] <nalioth> theCore: ok. who does then?
[03:08] <theCore> the ubuntu webmasters
[03:08] <nalioth> i thought the doc team was in charge of all documentation (web, etc0
[03:09] <theCore> true, but they control h.u.c
[03:09] <theCore> they don't*
[03:09] <theCore> however, I don't know much about it
[03:10] <nalioth> this makes no sense to me. now i have to hunt up someone else
[03:10] <theCore> try to send a email to the mailing-list
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[03:10] <nalioth> ok, sorry to bother you folks
[03:11] <nalioth> ty for the info
[03:45] <theCore> bshumate, do you know who are the folks that maintain help.ubuntu.com ?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille 
[06:20] <robitaille> Bonsour Burgundavia
[06:20] <robitaille> or better bonsoir...
[06:41] <bhuvan> ping robotgeek
[06:42] <robotgeek> hey bhuvan 
[06:42] <bhuvan> robotgeek, where are you from ?
[06:42] <robotgeek> bhuvan: india, now in TX
[06:43] <bhuvan> cool! which city in india ?
[06:43] <robotgeek> hyderabad
[06:43] <bhuvan> excellent!
[06:44] <robotgeek> bhuvan: you?
[06:44] <bhuvan> india, chennai!
[06:44] <robotgeek> i am actually a tamilian :)
[06:44] <bhuvan> glad to hear and me too!
[06:45] <robotgeek> where in chennai? i have relatives there (mylapore, mambalam)
[06:45] <bhuvan> i stay at adambakkam (near guindy)
[06:52] <robotgeek> nice, near the IIT?
[06:54] <bhuvan> robotgeek, yep
[06:54] <robotgeek> nice bhuvan been there once or twice. not too smart to get in :)
[06:55] <bhuvan> ilugc (indian linux user group of chennai) meet there every month
[06:56] <robotgeek> hmm, 3 years since i left home
[10:18] <ompaul> moin - brain is not working this morning, there is a function somewhere where people can click on a button to submit hardware anyone got docs on same?
[10:18] <ompaul> please allow me rephrase that - anyone got a pointer to docs on same
[10:19] <mdke_> applications -> system tools -> Ubuntu Device Database -> Help
[11:02] <ompaul> mdke_, sorry was working on other stuff, again thanks
[03:13] <jjesse> morning mgalvin 
[03:14] <mgalvin> jjesse: good morning
[03:14] <mgalvin> good morning all
[03:18] <mdke> hello
[04:43] <robotgeek> did anyone else come up with an idea for a screencast introduction to ubuntu (or maybe someone did, and decided that it would not fit on the CD?)
[04:46] <Kyral> hmm
[04:46] <jjesse> i don't think that was ever finalized?
[04:48] <robotgeek> i think it would be nice, and people might prefer to do screencasts, rather than document
[04:53] <mdke> there is one in the works
[04:53] <mdke> a flash presentation which runs during the install, i think
[04:53] <mdke> dunno if it will happen
[04:54] <robotgeek> why flash?
[04:54] <robotgeek> GPL Flash needs to get more stable, i think
[04:54] <mdke> dunno
[04:55] <mdke> they are gonna keep it simple
[04:55] <robotgeek> i'll try out amd maybe submit statistics on sizes and etc
[04:55] <mdke> the technical side is being handled by a professional i think
[04:56] <jjesse> i hope first they remove the require to be connected to the internet to have a nice and easy install :(
[04:56] <jjesse> do you know how much of a pain it is to be a dial-up user trying to install dapper?
[04:56] <robotgeek> ah okay, i'll  stick to the docs then 
[04:57] <robotgeek> jjesse: really, you mean for the universe stuff?
[04:57] <jjesse> robotgeek: no i mean for a basic install, when you install dapper it goes out to the internet to download a release file which didn't occur during breezy install
[04:58] <jjesse> and if you aren't connected via a network to high speed or something like that you have to do an "expert" mode
[04:58] <robotgeek> jjesse: hmm, i did not notice that
[04:58] <jjesse> robotgeek: do you have highspeed?
[04:59] <jjesse> or broadband?
[04:59] <robotgeek> yeah, adsl
[04:59] <jjesse> try an install w/o connected to the internet
[05:00] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. i have a flight3 install pending, for kubuntu
[05:00] <jjesse> it also scnas the different repositories when configuring apt which means once again internet connectivity :(
[05:01] <mgalvin> jjesse: by the time dapper is released that should be fixed... the installer should not need the inet
[05:01] <jjesse> mgalvin: it was/is a frustrating part of installing dapper
[05:02] <mgalvin> i understand... i have cable... but oh man i remember those painful dialup days
[05:25] <robotgeek> screencasting lacks a good tool :) 
[05:25] <robotgeek> i'll stick to screenshots + text documentation . back to the wiki
[09:09] <mdke> hey jeffsch 
[09:09] <jeffsch> hey man
[09:10] <jeffsch> howz it goin?
[09:10] <mdke> good thanks
[09:10] <mdke> i'm just on my way out, just wanted to say thanks for sorting out some stuff in generic/
[09:10] <jeffsch> np
[09:10] <mdke> wrt the Makefile, we don't need packageguide or serverguide in there because they'll be called by the ubuntu/kubuntu Makefiles
[09:11] <mdke> currently for the preview server they are in ubuntu/Makefile
[09:11] <mdke> anyhow, hope you're well, got to run
[09:11] <robotgeek> later mdke 
[09:11] <mdke> byee
[09:11] <jeffsch> cya
[09:21] <robotgeek> Am i blind, or are these two pages same https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary 
[09:21] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKimset2005Hoary
[09:21] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup 220 221
[10:07] <mgalvin> in case anyone is interested i just wrote up (on my blog) how to use qemu to create vmware images and use them with vmware player so it can all be done freely
[10:07] <Kyral> Wikipage?
[10:07] <mgalvin> i find it useful for testing and taking my screen shots
[10:07] <mgalvin> my blog (for now)
[10:08] <jjesse> mgalvin: awesome, i use qemu all the time running dapper and debian in qemu right now
[10:08] <jjesse> what is your blog page
[10:08] <Kyral> Make one I meant lol
[10:08] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/
[10:09] <Kyral> Yea! Now I can do a LFS Install :D
[10:09] <Kyral> without messing with my parts ;P
[10:09] <mgalvin> Kyral, i'll clean it up and make a wiki page when i have some more free time
[10:09] <mgalvin> :)
[10:09] <Kyral> what blogservice is that?
[10:11] <Kyral> gak no Debpack for VMWare Player
[10:12] <mgalvin> Kyral: it my own hosted site and i am just using wordpress
[10:12] <jjesse> you have to download it from vmare.com
[10:12] <Kyral> yah
[10:12] <Kyral> stull
[10:12] <Kyral> NO DEBPACK ;P
[10:12] <Kyral> Just RPM and Tarball
[10:14] <Kyral> hmmm
[10:14] <Kyral> Now I can test MANY distros :D
[10:14] <Kyral> SuSE here I come ;P
[10:16] <mgalvin> i worked out how to do it b/c qemu is simply to slow for me to deal with when i reinstall dapper so often :)
[10:16] <Kyral> lol
[10:16] <Kyral> I just wanna try SuSE
[10:16] <Kyral> and maybe give Gentoo another whirl
[10:16] <Kyral> I wonder how much those images can be compressed?
[10:17] <mgalvin> not sure
[10:17] <LaserJock> mgalvin: so you just install into the vmware using an .iso?
[10:18] <mgalvin> LaserJock: yup (or a physical CD if you want)
[10:18] <mgalvin> ide1:0.fileName = /home/mgalvin/Desktop/dapper-install-i386.iso
[10:18] <mgalvin> just set that line to the location of the iso you want to use
[10:18] <LaserJock> mgalvin: do you think a liveCD would work?
[10:19] <mgalvin> LaserJock: um, i didn't try yet, but it should probably work
[10:20] <LaserJock> I have .iso from a couple of liveCD's that I wanted to test. That might work well
[10:20] <LaserJock> I'll have to try it out
[10:20] <mgalvin> go for it, let me know how it turns out
[10:21] <mgalvin> i'll probably try it when i get home too
[10:33] <Kyral> ..how would I mount 5 SuSE Install CDs?
[10:34] <Kyral> in VMWare..
[10:35] <mgalvin> Kyral: ouch... um, there should be a way to switch the iso image, lemme check
[10:35] <mgalvin> OR, use a dvd iso
[10:36] <Kyral> DVD Iso Not on my local mirror ;P
[10:37] <crimsun> should be on umn.edu, though, and you have I2 to there
[10:37] <Kyral> Clarkson?
[10:37] <Kyral> Yah I actuallu lol
[10:37] <crimsun> nearly all US unis are on i2
[10:37] <Kyral> what is it Mirror?
[10:37] <Kyral> mirror.umm.edu?
[10:38] <crimsun> mirror.cs.umn.edu, which seems to be hosed atm?
[10:39] <LaserJock> mdke: did you see the link for bug 29162 ?
[10:44] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, how good is your Ubuntu server knowledge?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Kyral, what about you ^
[10:45] <Kyral> uhh
[10:45] <Kyral> Depends
[10:45] <LaserJock> uhh, what do you mean?
[10:45] <Kyral> you mean like running a server?
[10:45] <Kyral> Or the Package itself?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> writing some stuff on it
[10:45] <Kyral> I know some about SSH
[10:45] <Kyral> and IPTables
[10:46] <Kyral> but I haven't really messed with server
[10:46] <Kyral> though I have been meaning too
[10:47] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, do you think you could write a piece on the server?
[10:47] <LaserJock> I really don't know anything about servers
[10:47] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[10:47] <Kyral> I could learn hehehe
[10:47] <Kyral> VMWare here I come ;P
[10:47] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you might try a call for contribution from -motu or -devel
[10:48] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:58] <mgalvin> later all
[11:01] <LaserJock> darn, he left
[11:01] <LaserJock> I can't get his .vmx to work
[11:02] <Burgundavia> anybody got an email for bhuvan?
[11:03] <Burgundavia> never mind
[11:05] <Kyral> okuch
[11:06] <Kyral> LRM wasn't updated...so I had to recompile the NVidia Module
[11:07] <LaserJock> I just switched to nv for a while 
[12:01] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: ping
[12:01] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, pongers
[12:01] <LaserJock> mgalvin: here?
[12:02] <mgalvin> LaserJock: yup, whats up
[12:02] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: do you think it's a good idea to move all the wireless configuration pages to something like a WirelessHardware/<Chipset>
[12:02] <LaserJock> mgalvin: your vmware thing worked for a livecd. The only thing is I had to replace all the quotes
[12:02] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, sounds sane to me
[12:02] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, you can use qemu to do a livecd as well
[12:03] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: that's what i'm doing
[12:03] <mgalvin> LaserJock: sweet :)
[12:03] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: of course, redirects will be in place