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Lord_Athurhi all12:17
michael__hey12:19
michael__ye again what is your guys stance on realbasic?12:27
mhzmichael__: I have no idea about realbasic12:29
mhzsorry12:29
michael__k...12:30
michael__well for apps for this project you feel it would be ok to use java,realbasic or jsut stick with realbasic?12:31
michael__i mean last part c and gtk12:31
michael__well for apps for this project you feel it would be ok to use java,realbasic or jsut stick with c and gtk?12:31
mhzyou mean edu-apps?12:32
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michael__yeah apps for edubuntu...12:33
michael__becuase i only know web languages and c and realbasic12:33
mhzwell, edubuntu is designed to include apps in the CD but there are tons of other edu-apps that can be used12:35
michael__well do you feel java based apps are ok?12:36
michael__or perhaps a web app?12:37
michael__just to contibute to it :-P12:37
mhzboth are fine12:39
mhzobviously12:39
mhzthe faster the better12:39
mhzthe lessrequirements the better12:39
michael__well ajva doesn't come with it, and nor deos apache..then realbasic some peole flip over :-P12:39
mhzremember LTPS is forwarding x via ssh12:40
mhzhowever, my guess is you contact Oliver (ogra) and discuss this with him12:41
mhzand also visit #ubuntu-motu12:41
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michael__whens ogra get on?12:43
mhzre12:50
mhzusually here almost everyday all time12:51
mhzBUT these last 2 days :D12:51
michael__yeah i noticed i checked yesterday12:51
michael__well at least you were here12:51
mhzhe lives in Germany so I guess esp. during his time12:51
mhzheehe12:52
mhzbut I am not great help or guide for your questions12:52
michael__yes you are...12:52
michael__adn definatly more than the others12:53
michael__:-p12:53
mhzhehehe12:53
mhzmaybe it's been a matter of timings12:54
michael__maybe....12:54
michael__i jsut realized the app i wanted ot amke was just overshadowed by something already in edubuntu12:56
mhzoh12:56
michael__o well...12:56
michael__what could i make...12:57
michael__flash+php?12:57
michael__seems liek a mroe logical option12:57
mhzflash?12:57
mhzno pleas12:57
michael__yeah...12:57
mhze12:57
michael__lol12:57
michael__js?12:57
michael__or jsut phph and html?12:58
michael__but what?12:58
mhzhmmm12:58
michael__whats wrong with flash anyway?12:58
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michael__o ok12:59
michael__wel lwhat would be useful?12:59
michael__well*12:59
michael__web calc?01:01
michael__like algebrator but in html and js or ph01:01
michael__php01:01
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michael__sound good?01:02
mhzas much as you can would be useful01:02
mhzthe more we have, the better01:02
mhzohh01:02
mhzwhich reminds me01:03
mhzwiki:EdubuntuStudyContent01:03
mhzduh01:03
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michael__lol01:03
michael__or the msot evil thing ever!!!01:07
michael__rate yuor teacher but only insdie your school01:08
michael__and everytime s student coments it would bug the teachers computer about it01:08
michael__:-p01:08
mhzmichael__: there is this very important tool going on01:09
mhzSchoolTool01:09
mhzrunning on :708001:09
mhzmaybe you could help them get the thing done01:09
michael__that?01:09
michael__thoghut that was python...01:10
michael__whast the username?01:10
michael__\/pass01:10
mhzhmmm01:11
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michael__k01:11
michael__:-p01:11
mhzit is python and html I guess01:11
michael__isn't it python, i'm not very good at python io'm just php/js/html/flash/jsp01:12
mhzohh01:12
michael__:-p01:12
mhzmaybe you can help integrating it with either .LRN or Moodle or Claroline01:12
michael__?01:14
michael__how would that go about?01:14
michael__SchoolTool is written in the Python language, using the Zope 3 web framework.  The code is extensively tested with unit and functional tests.  If you're interested in getting involved in SchoolTool development, check the code out of our repository, have a look around, drop in on our irc channel, and fix a few bugs.01:17
mhzyep, but th1a has told me they may consider some integration with Moodle or Claroline01:19
mhzin #schooltool01:19
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mhzYagisan: HI!!!03:50
mhzI was just thinking of you!03:50
Yagisanmhz: really ? cool03:53
mhzindeed03:53
mhzI am in #schooltool03:53
mhzand th1a told me: mhz th1a: hmmm not yet but I guess I 'll have to start knowing about ZODB03:54
mhzmhz any good tips and suggestions why I'd better know about ZODB ?03:54
mhzth1a Well, it allows you to just focus on writing Python code.  You make Python objects that subclass the Persistent class, and they become persistent.03:54
Yagisanmhz: what's up ?03:54
mhzand I couldn't stop the laugh03:54
mhzthat was japaneese to my ears :D03:54
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mhzYagisan: also, I have just installed breezy for a small homeserver I'll have to use to host tecnocimiento.cl03:56
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Yagisanmhz: nice03:56
mhzand I was about doing the NAT stuff it did not work yesterday on a homebox03:56
Yagisanmhz: If you run into any issues, let me know03:56
Yagisanmhz: need a firewall script ?03:57
mhzI thought just 2 lines would do03:57
mhzunless you strongly suggested I was nuts03:57
mhzmy main issue was that either my DHCP worked or NAT, but not the 2 together :(03:58
Yagisanmhz: using the dhcp on your adsl router ?03:58
mhzso I'm loging in now to see what happens this time ;)03:58
mhzYagisan: hahaha, not any more03:58
Yagisanmhz: good - I was about to suggest not to use it03:59
mhzI have a ISP (Modem provide DHCP) and a hub like thing with 8 NICs03:59
mhzand the homeserver has 2 NIC's04:00
mhzmy original idea is 1 NIC for local and 1 NIC for outside04:00
Yagisanmhz: yep, that's a nice start04:00
mhzbut maybe I could just use 1 NIC for both traffics04:00
Yagisanmhz: two nics !!!!04:01
mhzand use the other NIC on a small box04:01
mhzoooh, okis04:01
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Yagisanmhz: mine is adsl modem -> firewall/server -> switch -> other pcs04:01
mhzyeah! a switch is what i have04:02
mhzcable modem -> server -> switch laptops04:03
mhzcable modem -> server -> switch -> laptops04:03
Yagisan:)04:03
mhzbut the damn M$ laptop of my wife always gives troubles04:04
Yagisanmhz: I used to run a dhcp server on my firewall box, but I moved it to the ltsp server04:04
Yagisanmhz: why does she need windows04:04
Yagisan?04:04
mhzYagisan: well, this homeserver will have to be Edubuntu LTSP and hosting for TC04:04
mhzYagisan: in a worl of gates?04:04
mhz+d04:04
Yagisanmhz: all I need on my server now is a bittorent tracker and seeder04:05
mhzYagisan: she only keeps it because she needs to generate DWG's files (AutoCAD)04:05
mhz(though she'd prefer MiniCAD)04:05
Yagisanmhz: ouch :(04:05
mhzyeah, I'd love to have a server server04:06
mhznot a server for LTSP + hosting pages04:06
mhzbut well.. sheeps happen04:06
mhz;)04:07
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Yagisanmhz: perhaps xen, uml, or linux vservers could help. If it makes you feel better, my server does multiple roles too04:07
mhzhehhehe04:08
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mhzwell, one of my dreams is to provide low cost UserModeLinux hosting for geeks04:08
Yagisanmhz: you'd be shocked if you new how many things I run on that server04:08
Yagisans/new/knew04:09
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mhzas longas it is not porn server ;)04:09
mhzYagisan: how long did it take you to set your Zope env.?04:11
Yagisanmhz: while I may have the hard drive space for that, I lack the bandwidth - so yes, I'd have the most popular site on the web, until I'm DOSed right off the net by horny teenagers04:11
Yagisanmhz: 20 minutes, after I practiced a few days in advance04:11
mhzohh04:12
mhzwith edubuntu box?04:12
Yagisanmhz: what do you want to set up in zope ?04:12
mhziirc, edubuntu comes qirh zope ready04:13
Yagisanmhz: ubuntu04:13
mhzwith04:13
mhzYagisan: just courious04:13
Yagisanmhz: plone needs things installed in a certain order04:13
mhzSchoolTool runs Zope 3 and python04:13
Yagisanmhz: zope installs, but won't run until you create an instance04:13
mhzohhh04:13
Yagisanmhz: Schooltool should set up a zope instance as it installs04:14
Yagisanmhz: if not - file a bug ;)04:14
mhzit works perfectly04:15
mhzYagisan: just courious04:15
mhzYagisan: once my interfaces are ok, can I manually config 'dhcp server' or it will conflict with Edubuntu once I install it (yes, I had to use Ubuntu cd )04:23
Yagisanmhz: don't do dhcp yet04:24
mhzokis04:24
Yagisanmhz: install edubuntu04:24
Yagisanmhz: it should install a dhcp server04:24
mhzyup04:24
Yagisanmhz: configure that one instead04:24
mhzhence I asked about 'conflict'04:24
Yagisanmhz: and you are good to go04:24
mhzokis04:24
Yagisanmhz: because when you install edubuntu, it's dhcp settings take priority04:24
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mhzYagisan: hmmmm04:43
mhzlittle issue04:43
mhzYagisan: I have been at this laptop while the sytem was being installed on the homeserver04:43
Yagisanmhz: ?04:44
mhziin order to install edubuntu desktop and server, I need to connect modem to homserver instead and I'd lose this communication and wiki editing I am on04:44
mhzbecause I have only 1 NIC in the laptop04:45
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mhzYagisan: any 'gifted man ideas' ?04:45
Yagisanmhz: hmm04:46
Yagisanmhz: well - yes, but I doubt you have the hardware there04:47
Yagisanmhz: we *can* turn your parallel port into a network interface04:47
Yagisanmhz: but it's not that fast04:47
mhzlol04:48
mhzyou are nuts04:48
Yagisanmhz: well, I have the hardware here :) and once I built a cluster of systems daisy chained with parallel ports04:48
Yagisanmhz: I'd finish up your work - then install edubuntu on the server04:49
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mhzyeah, it sounds less traumatic04:49
mhzwhat if I used eth0:104:50
mhzor something?04:50
Yagisanmhz: you may be able to set up sub-interfaces - but the "gifted man" takes the easy way out04:50
mhzokis04:52
mhzthe padawan follows advice04:52
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Lord_Athurhi all04:53
YagisanG'day Lord_Athur04:53
Lord_Athurmhz, prac can be a good option, but i could not understand your instrucctions in the wiki (i've got bag english....)04:53
Lord_Athurhi Yagisan 04:53
Yagisanmhz - is it ethical of me to download 4.7GB of learning material in a torrent04:53
mhzLord_Athur: ahhh, Trac04:53
Yagisan?04:53
Lord_Athurmhz, is there another program04:54
mhzwhy not, Yagisan ?04:54
mhzmoin-desktop04:54
mhz3 minutes only04:54
Lord_Athurbut one a little easier (easyer or more easy)04:54
mhzno apache04:54
Lord_Athurok04:54
mhzLord_Athur: need a url?04:54
Lord_Athuryes04:55
Lord_Athurmhz, i'm not allowed to find good applications with my debian source list04:55
Lord_Athur:O04:55
Lord_Athuri never find what i want04:56
Lord_AthurxD04:56
Lord_Athuri will have to change to an ubuntu based system soon04:56
Lord_Athurthen mhz, can't apache be a wiki?04:56
Lord_Athurbecause apache is currently installed on the system04:57
Lord_Athur:O04:57
mhzLord_Athur: moin-desktop does not use apache, nor SQL04:57
mhzonly moin-desktop04:58
mhz1) Download04:58
mhz2) unpack04:58
Lord_Athurmhz, 04:58
mhz3) run it04:58
mhz5 mintues04:58
Lord_Athurmy debian aptitude system does not find it04:58
Lord_Athurthe moin-desktop or moin-server cannot be installer04:58
Lord_Athurmmm04:59
Lord_Athurbut i installer Prac04:59
Lord_Athurdo i run it?04:59
mhzLord_Athur: not in repositories05:00
mhzURL05:00
mhz:)05:00
Lord_Athurap ok05:01
Lord_Athurthen, give me the link to install it05:01
Lord_Athurmhz, 05:01
Lord_Athuri installed Prac05:01
Lord_Athurdo i run it?05:01
mhzTrac05:02
mhznot Prac05:02
mhz:)05:02
Lord_Athur:O05:02
Lord_Athurverdad05:02
Lord_AthurxD05:02
Lord_Athurdo i run it under a terminal environment?05:03
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mhznope05:18
lshirotadoes anybody know how to setup a dial-up account?05:19
mhzlshirota: not me :(05:21
mhzthere's a tool forit05:22
lshirotaand what is that05:23
mhzlshirota: I have never used it05:23
mhzsorry05:23
mhzthe good news is that it is possible :)05:24
lshirotaok05:25
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Lord_Athurhi all05:57
Lord_Athurmhz_ServerOff, i've decided to continue with apache for the documentation05:58
Lord_Athur:O05:59
Lord_Athuris there a current version of edubuntu live cd?06:04
Lord_Athurdoesn't this exist?06:04
Lord_AthurYagisan, don't you know it?06:05
Lord_Athur:P06:05
YagisanLord_Athur: sorry - was doing some work06:06
Lord_Athurok+06:06
YagisanLord_Athur: no live cd for breezy06:06
Lord_Athur:O06:07
Lord_Athurok06:07
YagisanLord_Athur: should be one for dapper06:07
YagisanLord_Athur: live cd is a workstation install06:07
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Lord_Athurthanks Yagisan 06:07
YagisanLord_Athur: your welcome06:08
Lord_Athur:D06:09
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michael__Hello11:30
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lucasvowill there be a GRUB with pictures in dapper?12:48
lucasvohttp://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ 12:49
lucasvolike this12:49
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michael__don' think thats on main roadmap...01:22
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michael__wow there not much talk in here :-p03:25
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penguin_roarmichael, were meditating ;D03:43
michael__of course i'm sorry03:47
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mhzjuliux, awake?04:02
juliuxmhz, yes04:04
mhzjuliux, could you help me see why i am so stupid i can't make NAT work, please?04:04
juliuxmhz, puh04:05
juliuxmhz, i can try it 04:06
mhzit used to wrok just fine04:06
mhzuntil I had to let the box go. Now, I got it back, installed Edubuntu and still no NAT, juliux 04:06
juliuxyou have 2 NIC in the box right?04:07
juliuxand  2 different ip addressareas right?04:07
mhzgood point. I have:04:08
mhzISP modem -> homeserver (eth0) -> switch (eth1) -> laptops04:08
juliuxok04:09
juliuxan on which rechner you want to do NAT?04:09
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mhzrechner?04:10
juliuxsorry on which computer04:10
mhzform laptop to Edubuntu server 04:11
michael__hey mhz04:13
mhzmichael__, hi there04:15
juliuxmhz,        iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE 04:16
juliuxmhz, that should work04:16
michael__wow your setup looked like wha ti was tryign to do :-p04:16
juliuxmhz, eth0 is the outgoing device on the server04:16
michael__eth0 ->wlan1 ->router -> isp04:16
mhzjuliux, that I do... unsuccessfully04:17
juliuxmhz, and you have to activate masquerading with this         echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward04:17
mhzyup04:17
mhzvery typical NAT04:17
juliuxyes 04:17
mhznot working for 10 hours04:17
juliuxhm04:18
juliuxstrange04:18
mhzyup04:18
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mhz:)04:19
juliuxbut it was working right?04:19
mhzwhen I lent the box04:20
mhzwhen I got it back04:20
mhzI installed everything again04:20
mhzfrom breezy CD04:21
juliuxhm04:21
juliuxstrange04:21
mhzyup04:23
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andrew_hi all05:28
mhzhi05:28
andrew_im currently running 4 ubuntu breezy boxes here, and im thinking of putting edubuntu on my 8yr old sons box what will he have different?05:30
mhz_librenothing, except he'll get GCompris + other edu apps05:32
mhz_librelike khangman05:32
mhz_libreand, that box can be used for LTSP serving05:32
andrew_is there an easy way to go from ubuntu breezy to edubuntu breezy?05:33
mhz_libreyup05:33
andrew_change sources.lst?05:34
mhz_libreapt-get install edubuntu-desktop05:34
mhz_libreand apt-get install edubuntu-server05:34
andrew_ah ok05:34
mhz_libreif you want LTSP05:34
mhz_libreedubuntu is 100% ubuntu05:34
andrew_well i have a 3ghz p4 desktop that could run ltsp i would think05:35
mhzindeed05:35
andrew_i have been using it for xdmcp05:35
mhzthat's for your son?05:35
mhzwow!05:35
mhzI wanna be your son :D05:36
andrew_no, he has a p4 2.805:36
andrew_:)05:36
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andrew_i have quite a bit of p3 hardware05:37
mhz_libreoh05:37
mhz_librenice05:37
mhz_libresince05:37
andrew_how does ltsp compare with xdmcp?05:37
mhz_libreEdubuntu is cool from min. 1.xGHz processor, 256 RAM for server + 128 MB p/client attached to it05:37
mhz_libreEdubuntu ltsp is forwarding ssh05:38
mhz_libreand LTSP can be used for very thin clients (no HD)05:38
andrew_does it run faster than xdmcp?05:38
mhz_libreno idea05:38
andrew_ok, np, i will try it out then05:39
mhz_libreI have not tried yet05:39
andrew_my wife works in education too so she is interested to see it05:40
mhzgreat05:41
mhzalso, Edubuntu comes with SchoolTool ready to rock05:42
mhzin localhost:808005:42
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michael__mines not on port 8080 by default man06:02
mhz_libre?06:05
mhz_libre/etc/init.d/schooltool start :)06:05
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michael__i ment imne on 9080...06:28
mhzohhhhhhhhhhh06:28
mhztrue06:28
michael__:-p06:28
mhz70:8006:28
mhz:708006:28
michael__yeah was before :-p06:29
michael__8080 is coldfusion... and other web services06:29
mhzoh, coldfusion must be FreeAsInfreedom so people can get more energy06:30
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michael__of course it is...06:39
penguin_roarwhat is schooltool?06:58
michael__it is school planning tool07:01
michael__http://www.schooltool.org/07:02
michael__or if your running edubuntu07:02
michael__127.0.0.1:708007:02
michael__strangly enough i have no clue as to what the default password is07:03
michael__they have irc #schooltool07:03
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michael__whats the schooltool pass and user?08:08
michael__...o08:12
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