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Lord_Athur | hi all | 12:17 |
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michael__ | hey | 12:19 |
michael__ | ye again what is your guys stance on realbasic? | 12:27 |
mhz | michael__: I have no idea about realbasic | 12:29 |
mhz | sorry | 12:29 |
michael__ | k... | 12:30 |
michael__ | well for apps for this project you feel it would be ok to use java,realbasic or jsut stick with realbasic? | 12:31 |
michael__ | i mean last part c and gtk | 12:31 |
michael__ | well for apps for this project you feel it would be ok to use java,realbasic or jsut stick with c and gtk? | 12:31 |
mhz | you mean edu-apps? | 12:32 |
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michael__ | yeah apps for edubuntu... | 12:33 |
michael__ | becuase i only know web languages and c and realbasic | 12:33 |
mhz | well, edubuntu is designed to include apps in the CD but there are tons of other edu-apps that can be used | 12:35 |
michael__ | well do you feel java based apps are ok? | 12:36 |
michael__ | or perhaps a web app? | 12:37 |
michael__ | just to contibute to it :-P | 12:37 |
mhz | both are fine | 12:39 |
mhz | obviously | 12:39 |
mhz | the faster the better | 12:39 |
mhz | the lessrequirements the better | 12:39 |
michael__ | well ajva doesn't come with it, and nor deos apache..then realbasic some peole flip over :-P | 12:39 |
mhz | remember LTPS is forwarding x via ssh | 12:40 |
mhz | however, my guess is you contact Oliver (ogra) and discuss this with him | 12:41 |
mhz | and also visit #ubuntu-motu | 12:41 |
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michael__ | whens ogra get on? | 12:43 |
mhz | re | 12:50 |
mhz | usually here almost everyday all time | 12:51 |
mhz | BUT these last 2 days :D | 12:51 |
michael__ | yeah i noticed i checked yesterday | 12:51 |
michael__ | well at least you were here | 12:51 |
mhz | he lives in Germany so I guess esp. during his time | 12:51 |
mhz | heehe | 12:52 |
mhz | but I am not great help or guide for your questions | 12:52 |
michael__ | yes you are... | 12:52 |
michael__ | adn definatly more than the others | 12:53 |
michael__ | :-p | 12:53 |
mhz | hehehe | 12:53 |
mhz | maybe it's been a matter of timings | 12:54 |
michael__ | maybe.... | 12:54 |
michael__ | i jsut realized the app i wanted ot amke was just overshadowed by something already in edubuntu | 12:56 |
mhz | oh | 12:56 |
michael__ | o well... | 12:56 |
michael__ | what could i make... | 12:57 |
michael__ | flash+php? | 12:57 |
michael__ | seems liek a mroe logical option | 12:57 |
mhz | flash? | 12:57 |
mhz | no pleas | 12:57 |
michael__ | yeah... | 12:57 |
mhz | e | 12:57 |
michael__ | lol | 12:57 |
michael__ | js? | 12:57 |
michael__ | or jsut phph and html? | 12:58 |
michael__ | but what? | 12:58 |
mhz | hmmm | 12:58 |
michael__ | whats wrong with flash anyway? | 12:58 |
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michael__ | o ok | 12:59 |
michael__ | wel lwhat would be useful? | 12:59 |
michael__ | well* | 12:59 |
michael__ | web calc? | 01:01 |
michael__ | like algebrator but in html and js or ph | 01:01 |
michael__ | php | 01:01 |
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michael__ | sound good? | 01:02 |
mhz | as much as you can would be useful | 01:02 |
mhz | the more we have, the better | 01:02 |
mhz | ohh | 01:02 |
mhz | which reminds me | 01:03 |
mhz | wiki:EdubuntuStudyContent | 01:03 |
mhz | duh | 01:03 |
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michael__ | lol | 01:03 |
michael__ | or the msot evil thing ever!!! | 01:07 |
michael__ | rate yuor teacher but only insdie your school | 01:08 |
michael__ | and everytime s student coments it would bug the teachers computer about it | 01:08 |
michael__ | :-p | 01:08 |
mhz | michael__: there is this very important tool going on | 01:09 |
mhz | SchoolTool | 01:09 |
mhz | running on :7080 | 01:09 |
mhz | maybe you could help them get the thing done | 01:09 |
michael__ | that? | 01:09 |
michael__ | thoghut that was python... | 01:10 |
michael__ | whast the username? | 01:10 |
michael__ | \/pass | 01:10 |
mhz | hmmm | 01:11 |
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michael__ | k | 01:11 |
michael__ | :-p | 01:11 |
mhz | it is python and html I guess | 01:11 |
michael__ | isn't it python, i'm not very good at python io'm just php/js/html/flash/jsp | 01:12 |
mhz | ohh | 01:12 |
michael__ | :-p | 01:12 |
mhz | maybe you can help integrating it with either .LRN or Moodle or Claroline | 01:12 |
michael__ | ? | 01:14 |
michael__ | how would that go about? | 01:14 |
michael__ | SchoolTool is written in the Python language, using the Zope 3 web framework. The code is extensively tested with unit and functional tests. If you're interested in getting involved in SchoolTool development, check the code out of our repository, have a look around, drop in on our irc channel, and fix a few bugs. | 01:17 |
mhz | yep, but th1a has told me they may consider some integration with Moodle or Claroline | 01:19 |
mhz | in #schooltool | 01:19 |
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mhz | Yagisan: HI!!! | 03:50 |
mhz | I was just thinking of you! | 03:50 |
Yagisan | mhz: really ? cool | 03:53 |
mhz | indeed | 03:53 |
mhz | I am in #schooltool | 03:53 |
mhz | and th1a told me: mhz th1a: hmmm not yet but I guess I 'll have to start knowing about ZODB | 03:54 |
mhz | mhz any good tips and suggestions why I'd better know about ZODB ? | 03:54 |
mhz | th1a Well, it allows you to just focus on writing Python code. You make Python objects that subclass the Persistent class, and they become persistent. | 03:54 |
Yagisan | mhz: what's up ? | 03:54 |
mhz | and I couldn't stop the laugh | 03:54 |
mhz | that was japaneese to my ears :D | 03:54 |
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mhz | Yagisan: also, I have just installed breezy for a small homeserver I'll have to use to host tecnocimiento.cl | 03:56 |
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Yagisan | mhz: nice | 03:56 |
mhz | and I was about doing the NAT stuff it did not work yesterday on a homebox | 03:56 |
Yagisan | mhz: If you run into any issues, let me know | 03:56 |
Yagisan | mhz: need a firewall script ? | 03:57 |
mhz | I thought just 2 lines would do | 03:57 |
mhz | unless you strongly suggested I was nuts | 03:57 |
mhz | my main issue was that either my DHCP worked or NAT, but not the 2 together :( | 03:58 |
Yagisan | mhz: using the dhcp on your adsl router ? | 03:58 |
mhz | so I'm loging in now to see what happens this time ;) | 03:58 |
mhz | Yagisan: hahaha, not any more | 03:58 |
Yagisan | mhz: good - I was about to suggest not to use it | 03:59 |
mhz | I have a ISP (Modem provide DHCP) and a hub like thing with 8 NICs | 03:59 |
mhz | and the homeserver has 2 NIC's | 04:00 |
mhz | my original idea is 1 NIC for local and 1 NIC for outside | 04:00 |
Yagisan | mhz: yep, that's a nice start | 04:00 |
mhz | but maybe I could just use 1 NIC for both traffics | 04:00 |
Yagisan | mhz: two nics !!!! | 04:01 |
mhz | and use the other NIC on a small box | 04:01 |
mhz | oooh, okis | 04:01 |
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Yagisan | mhz: mine is adsl modem -> firewall/server -> switch -> other pcs | 04:01 |
mhz | yeah! a switch is what i have | 04:02 |
mhz | cable modem -> server -> switch laptops | 04:03 |
mhz | cable modem -> server -> switch -> laptops | 04:03 |
Yagisan | :) | 04:03 |
mhz | but the damn M$ laptop of my wife always gives troubles | 04:04 |
Yagisan | mhz: I used to run a dhcp server on my firewall box, but I moved it to the ltsp server | 04:04 |
Yagisan | mhz: why does she need windows | 04:04 |
Yagisan | ? | 04:04 |
mhz | Yagisan: well, this homeserver will have to be Edubuntu LTSP and hosting for TC | 04:04 |
mhz | Yagisan: in a worl of gates? | 04:04 |
mhz | +d | 04:04 |
Yagisan | mhz: all I need on my server now is a bittorent tracker and seeder | 04:05 |
mhz | Yagisan: she only keeps it because she needs to generate DWG's files (AutoCAD) | 04:05 |
mhz | (though she'd prefer MiniCAD) | 04:05 |
Yagisan | mhz: ouch :( | 04:05 |
mhz | yeah, I'd love to have a server server | 04:06 |
mhz | not a server for LTSP + hosting pages | 04:06 |
mhz | but well.. sheeps happen | 04:06 |
mhz | ;) | 04:07 |
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Yagisan | mhz: perhaps xen, uml, or linux vservers could help. If it makes you feel better, my server does multiple roles too | 04:07 |
mhz | hehhehe | 04:08 |
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mhz | well, one of my dreams is to provide low cost UserModeLinux hosting for geeks | 04:08 |
Yagisan | mhz: you'd be shocked if you new how many things I run on that server | 04:08 |
Yagisan | s/new/knew | 04:09 |
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mhz | as longas it is not porn server ;) | 04:09 |
mhz | Yagisan: how long did it take you to set your Zope env.? | 04:11 |
Yagisan | mhz: while I may have the hard drive space for that, I lack the bandwidth - so yes, I'd have the most popular site on the web, until I'm DOSed right off the net by horny teenagers | 04:11 |
Yagisan | mhz: 20 minutes, after I practiced a few days in advance | 04:11 |
mhz | ohh | 04:12 |
mhz | with edubuntu box? | 04:12 |
Yagisan | mhz: what do you want to set up in zope ? | 04:12 |
mhz | iirc, edubuntu comes qirh zope ready | 04:13 |
Yagisan | mhz: ubuntu | 04:13 |
mhz | with | 04:13 |
mhz | Yagisan: just courious | 04:13 |
Yagisan | mhz: plone needs things installed in a certain order | 04:13 |
mhz | SchoolTool runs Zope 3 and python | 04:13 |
Yagisan | mhz: zope installs, but won't run until you create an instance | 04:13 |
mhz | ohhh | 04:13 |
Yagisan | mhz: Schooltool should set up a zope instance as it installs | 04:14 |
Yagisan | mhz: if not - file a bug ;) | 04:14 |
mhz | it works perfectly | 04:15 |
mhz | Yagisan: just courious | 04:15 |
mhz | Yagisan: once my interfaces are ok, can I manually config 'dhcp server' or it will conflict with Edubuntu once I install it (yes, I had to use Ubuntu cd ) | 04:23 |
Yagisan | mhz: don't do dhcp yet | 04:24 |
mhz | okis | 04:24 |
Yagisan | mhz: install edubuntu | 04:24 |
Yagisan | mhz: it should install a dhcp server | 04:24 |
mhz | yup | 04:24 |
Yagisan | mhz: configure that one instead | 04:24 |
mhz | hence I asked about 'conflict' | 04:24 |
Yagisan | mhz: and you are good to go | 04:24 |
mhz | okis | 04:24 |
Yagisan | mhz: because when you install edubuntu, it's dhcp settings take priority | 04:24 |
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mhz | Yagisan: hmmmm | 04:43 |
mhz | little issue | 04:43 |
mhz | Yagisan: I have been at this laptop while the sytem was being installed on the homeserver | 04:43 |
Yagisan | mhz: ? | 04:44 |
mhz | iin order to install edubuntu desktop and server, I need to connect modem to homserver instead and I'd lose this communication and wiki editing I am on | 04:44 |
mhz | because I have only 1 NIC in the laptop | 04:45 |
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mhz | Yagisan: any 'gifted man ideas' ? | 04:45 |
Yagisan | mhz: hmm | 04:46 |
Yagisan | mhz: well - yes, but I doubt you have the hardware there | 04:47 |
Yagisan | mhz: we *can* turn your parallel port into a network interface | 04:47 |
Yagisan | mhz: but it's not that fast | 04:47 |
mhz | lol | 04:48 |
mhz | you are nuts | 04:48 |
Yagisan | mhz: well, I have the hardware here :) and once I built a cluster of systems daisy chained with parallel ports | 04:48 |
Yagisan | mhz: I'd finish up your work - then install edubuntu on the server | 04:49 |
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mhz | yeah, it sounds less traumatic | 04:49 |
mhz | what if I used eth0:1 | 04:50 |
mhz | or something? | 04:50 |
Yagisan | mhz: you may be able to set up sub-interfaces - but the "gifted man" takes the easy way out | 04:50 |
mhz | okis | 04:52 |
mhz | the padawan follows advice | 04:52 |
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Lord_Athur | hi all | 04:53 |
Yagisan | G'day Lord_Athur | 04:53 |
Lord_Athur | mhz, prac can be a good option, but i could not understand your instrucctions in the wiki (i've got bag english....) | 04:53 |
Lord_Athur | hi Yagisan | 04:53 |
Yagisan | mhz - is it ethical of me to download 4.7GB of learning material in a torrent | 04:53 |
mhz | Lord_Athur: ahhh, Trac | 04:53 |
Yagisan | ? | 04:53 |
Lord_Athur | mhz, is there another program | 04:54 |
mhz | why not, Yagisan ? | 04:54 |
mhz | moin-desktop | 04:54 |
mhz | 3 minutes only | 04:54 |
Lord_Athur | but one a little easier (easyer or more easy) | 04:54 |
mhz | no apache | 04:54 |
Lord_Athur | ok | 04:54 |
mhz | Lord_Athur: need a url? | 04:54 |
Lord_Athur | yes | 04:55 |
Lord_Athur | mhz, i'm not allowed to find good applications with my debian source list | 04:55 |
Lord_Athur | :O | 04:55 |
Lord_Athur | i never find what i want | 04:56 |
Lord_Athur | xD | 04:56 |
Lord_Athur | i will have to change to an ubuntu based system soon | 04:56 |
Lord_Athur | then mhz, can't apache be a wiki? | 04:56 |
Lord_Athur | because apache is currently installed on the system | 04:57 |
Lord_Athur | :O | 04:57 |
mhz | Lord_Athur: moin-desktop does not use apache, nor SQL | 04:57 |
mhz | only moin-desktop | 04:58 |
mhz | 1) Download | 04:58 |
mhz | 2) unpack | 04:58 |
Lord_Athur | mhz, | 04:58 |
mhz | 3) run it | 04:58 |
mhz | 5 mintues | 04:58 |
Lord_Athur | my debian aptitude system does not find it | 04:58 |
Lord_Athur | the moin-desktop or moin-server cannot be installer | 04:58 |
Lord_Athur | mmm | 04:59 |
Lord_Athur | but i installer Prac | 04:59 |
Lord_Athur | do i run it? | 04:59 |
mhz | Lord_Athur: not in repositories | 05:00 |
mhz | URL | 05:00 |
mhz | :) | 05:00 |
Lord_Athur | ap ok | 05:01 |
Lord_Athur | then, give me the link to install it | 05:01 |
Lord_Athur | mhz, | 05:01 |
Lord_Athur | i installed Prac | 05:01 |
Lord_Athur | do i run it? | 05:01 |
mhz | Trac | 05:02 |
mhz | not Prac | 05:02 |
mhz | :) | 05:02 |
Lord_Athur | :O | 05:02 |
Lord_Athur | verdad | 05:02 |
Lord_Athur | xD | 05:02 |
Lord_Athur | do i run it under a terminal environment? | 05:03 |
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mhz | nope | 05:18 |
lshirota | does anybody know how to setup a dial-up account? | 05:19 |
mhz | lshirota: not me :( | 05:21 |
mhz | there's a tool forit | 05:22 |
lshirota | and what is that | 05:23 |
mhz | lshirota: I have never used it | 05:23 |
mhz | sorry | 05:23 |
mhz | the good news is that it is possible :) | 05:24 |
lshirota | ok | 05:25 |
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Lord_Athur | hi all | 05:57 |
Lord_Athur | mhz_ServerOff, i've decided to continue with apache for the documentation | 05:58 |
Lord_Athur | :O | 05:59 |
Lord_Athur | is there a current version of edubuntu live cd? | 06:04 |
Lord_Athur | doesn't this exist? | 06:04 |
Lord_Athur | Yagisan, don't you know it? | 06:05 |
Lord_Athur | :P | 06:05 |
Yagisan | Lord_Athur: sorry - was doing some work | 06:06 |
Lord_Athur | ok+ | 06:06 |
Yagisan | Lord_Athur: no live cd for breezy | 06:06 |
Lord_Athur | :O | 06:07 |
Lord_Athur | ok | 06:07 |
Yagisan | Lord_Athur: should be one for dapper | 06:07 |
Yagisan | Lord_Athur: live cd is a workstation install | 06:07 |
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Lord_Athur | thanks Yagisan | 06:07 |
Yagisan | Lord_Athur: your welcome | 06:08 |
Lord_Athur | :D | 06:09 |
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michael__ | Hello | 11:30 |
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lucasvo | will there be a GRUB with pictures in dapper? | 12:48 |
lucasvo | http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ | 12:49 |
lucasvo | like this | 12:49 |
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michael__ | don' think thats on main roadmap... | 01:22 |
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michael__ | wow there not much talk in here :-p | 03:25 |
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penguin_roar | michael, were meditating ;D | 03:43 |
michael__ | of course i'm sorry | 03:47 |
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mhz | juliux, awake? | 04:02 |
juliux | mhz, yes | 04:04 |
mhz | juliux, could you help me see why i am so stupid i can't make NAT work, please? | 04:04 |
juliux | mhz, puh | 04:05 |
juliux | mhz, i can try it | 04:06 |
mhz | it used to wrok just fine | 04:06 |
mhz | until I had to let the box go. Now, I got it back, installed Edubuntu and still no NAT, juliux | 04:06 |
juliux | you have 2 NIC in the box right? | 04:07 |
juliux | and 2 different ip addressareas right? | 04:07 |
mhz | good point. I have: | 04:08 |
mhz | ISP modem -> homeserver (eth0) -> switch (eth1) -> laptops | 04:08 |
juliux | ok | 04:09 |
juliux | an on which rechner you want to do NAT? | 04:09 |
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mhz | rechner? | 04:10 |
juliux | sorry on which computer | 04:10 |
mhz | form laptop to Edubuntu server | 04:11 |
michael__ | hey mhz | 04:13 |
mhz | michael__, hi there | 04:15 |
juliux | mhz, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE | 04:16 |
juliux | mhz, that should work | 04:16 |
michael__ | wow your setup looked like wha ti was tryign to do :-p | 04:16 |
juliux | mhz, eth0 is the outgoing device on the server | 04:16 |
michael__ | eth0 ->wlan1 ->router -> isp | 04:16 |
mhz | juliux, that I do... unsuccessfully | 04:17 |
juliux | mhz, and you have to activate masquerading with this echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 04:17 |
mhz | yup | 04:17 |
mhz | very typical NAT | 04:17 |
juliux | yes | 04:17 |
mhz | not working for 10 hours | 04:17 |
juliux | hm | 04:18 |
juliux | strange | 04:18 |
mhz | yup | 04:18 |
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mhz | :) | 04:19 |
juliux | but it was working right? | 04:19 |
mhz | when I lent the box | 04:20 |
mhz | when I got it back | 04:20 |
mhz | I installed everything again | 04:20 |
mhz | from breezy CD | 04:21 |
juliux | hm | 04:21 |
juliux | strange | 04:21 |
mhz | yup | 04:23 |
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andrew_ | hi all | 05:28 |
mhz | hi | 05:28 |
andrew_ | im currently running 4 ubuntu breezy boxes here, and im thinking of putting edubuntu on my 8yr old sons box what will he have different? | 05:30 |
mhz_libre | nothing, except he'll get GCompris + other edu apps | 05:32 |
mhz_libre | like khangman | 05:32 |
mhz_libre | and, that box can be used for LTSP serving | 05:32 |
andrew_ | is there an easy way to go from ubuntu breezy to edubuntu breezy? | 05:33 |
mhz_libre | yup | 05:33 |
andrew_ | change sources.lst? | 05:34 |
mhz_libre | apt-get install edubuntu-desktop | 05:34 |
mhz_libre | and apt-get install edubuntu-server | 05:34 |
andrew_ | ah ok | 05:34 |
mhz_libre | if you want LTSP | 05:34 |
mhz_libre | edubuntu is 100% ubuntu | 05:34 |
andrew_ | well i have a 3ghz p4 desktop that could run ltsp i would think | 05:35 |
mhz | indeed | 05:35 |
andrew_ | i have been using it for xdmcp | 05:35 |
mhz | that's for your son? | 05:35 |
mhz | wow! | 05:35 |
mhz | I wanna be your son :D | 05:36 |
andrew_ | no, he has a p4 2.8 | 05:36 |
andrew_ | :) | 05:36 |
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andrew_ | i have quite a bit of p3 hardware | 05:37 |
mhz_libre | oh | 05:37 |
mhz_libre | nice | 05:37 |
mhz_libre | since | 05:37 |
andrew_ | how does ltsp compare with xdmcp? | 05:37 |
mhz_libre | Edubuntu is cool from min. 1.xGHz processor, 256 RAM for server + 128 MB p/client attached to it | 05:37 |
mhz_libre | Edubuntu ltsp is forwarding ssh | 05:38 |
mhz_libre | and LTSP can be used for very thin clients (no HD) | 05:38 |
andrew_ | does it run faster than xdmcp? | 05:38 |
mhz_libre | no idea | 05:38 |
andrew_ | ok, np, i will try it out then | 05:39 |
mhz_libre | I have not tried yet | 05:39 |
andrew_ | my wife works in education too so she is interested to see it | 05:40 |
mhz | great | 05:41 |
mhz | also, Edubuntu comes with SchoolTool ready to rock | 05:42 |
mhz | in localhost:8080 | 05:42 |
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michael__ | mines not on port 8080 by default man | 06:02 |
mhz_libre | ? | 06:05 |
mhz_libre | /etc/init.d/schooltool start :) | 06:05 |
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michael__ | i ment imne on 9080... | 06:28 |
mhz | ohhhhhhhhhhh | 06:28 |
mhz | true | 06:28 |
michael__ | :-p | 06:28 |
mhz | 70:80 | 06:28 |
mhz | :7080 | 06:28 |
michael__ | yeah was before :-p | 06:29 |
michael__ | 8080 is coldfusion... and other web services | 06:29 |
mhz | oh, coldfusion must be FreeAsInfreedom so people can get more energy | 06:30 |
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michael__ | of course it is... | 06:39 |
penguin_roar | what is schooltool? | 06:58 |
michael__ | it is school planning tool | 07:01 |
michael__ | http://www.schooltool.org/ | 07:02 |
michael__ | or if your running edubuntu | 07:02 |
michael__ | 127.0.0.1:7080 | 07:02 |
michael__ | strangly enough i have no clue as to what the default password is | 07:03 |
michael__ | they have irc #schooltool | 07:03 |
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michael__ | whats the schooltool pass and user? | 08:08 |
michael__ | ...o | 08:12 |
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BenGC | howdy | 11:25 |
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michael__ | of ocurse i miss the cahgne to say hi :-p | 11:28 |
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michael__ | hey | 11:48 |
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