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[12:17] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[12:19] <michael__> hey
[12:27] <michael__> ye again what is your guys stance on realbasic?
[12:29] <mhz> michael__: I have no idea about realbasic
[12:29] <mhz> sorry
[12:30] <michael__> k...
[12:31] <michael__> well for apps for this project you feel it would be ok to use java,realbasic or jsut stick with realbasic?
[12:31] <michael__> i mean last part c and gtk
[12:31] <michael__> well for apps for this project you feel it would be ok to use java,realbasic or jsut stick with c and gtk?
[12:32] <mhz> you mean edu-apps?
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[12:33] <michael__> yeah apps for edubuntu...
[12:33] <michael__> becuase i only know web languages and c and realbasic
[12:35] <mhz> well, edubuntu is designed to include apps in the CD but there are tons of other edu-apps that can be used
[12:36] <michael__> well do you feel java based apps are ok?
[12:37] <michael__> or perhaps a web app?
[12:37] <michael__> just to contibute to it :-P
[12:39] <mhz> both are fine
[12:39] <mhz> obviously
[12:39] <mhz> the faster the better
[12:39] <mhz> the lessrequirements the better
[12:39] <michael__> well ajva doesn't come with it, and nor deos apache..then realbasic some peole flip over :-P
[12:40] <mhz> remember LTPS is forwarding x via ssh
[12:41] <mhz> however, my guess is you contact Oliver (ogra) and discuss this with him
[12:41] <mhz> and also visit #ubuntu-motu
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[12:43] <michael__> whens ogra get on?
[12:50] <mhz> re
[12:51] <mhz> usually here almost everyday all time
[12:51] <mhz> BUT these last 2 days :D
[12:51] <michael__> yeah i noticed i checked yesterday
[12:51] <michael__> well at least you were here
[12:51] <mhz> he lives in Germany so I guess esp. during his time
[12:52] <mhz> heehe
[12:52] <mhz> but I am not great help or guide for your questions
[12:52] <michael__> yes you are...
[12:53] <michael__> adn definatly more than the others
[12:53] <michael__> :-p
[12:53] <mhz> hehehe
[12:54] <mhz> maybe it's been a matter of timings
[12:54] <michael__> maybe....
[12:56] <michael__> i jsut realized the app i wanted ot amke was just overshadowed by something already in edubuntu
[12:56] <mhz> oh
[12:56] <michael__> o well...
[12:57] <michael__> what could i make...
[12:57] <michael__> flash+php?
[12:57] <michael__> seems liek a mroe logical option
[12:57] <mhz> flash?
[12:57] <mhz> no pleas
[12:57] <michael__> yeah...
[12:57] <mhz> e
[12:57] <michael__> lol
[12:57] <michael__> js?
[12:58] <michael__> or jsut phph and html?
[12:58] <michael__> but what?
[12:58] <mhz> hmmm
[12:58] <michael__> whats wrong with flash anyway?
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[12:59] <michael__> o ok
[12:59] <michael__> wel lwhat would be useful?
[12:59] <michael__> well*
[01:01] <michael__> web calc?
[01:01] <michael__> like algebrator but in html and js or ph
[01:01] <michael__> php
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[01:02] <michael__> sound good?
[01:02] <mhz> as much as you can would be useful
[01:02] <mhz> the more we have, the better
[01:02] <mhz> ohh
[01:03] <mhz> which reminds me
[01:03] <mhz> wiki:EdubuntuStudyContent
[01:03] <mhz> duh
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[01:03] <michael__> lol
[01:07] <michael__> or the msot evil thing ever!!!
[01:08] <michael__> rate yuor teacher but only insdie your school
[01:08] <michael__> and everytime s student coments it would bug the teachers computer about it
[01:08] <michael__> :-p
[01:09] <mhz> michael__: there is this very important tool going on
[01:09] <mhz> SchoolTool
[01:09] <mhz> running on :7080
[01:09] <mhz> maybe you could help them get the thing done
[01:09] <michael__> that?
[01:10] <michael__> thoghut that was python...
[01:10] <michael__> whast the username?
[01:10] <michael__> \/pass
[01:11] <mhz> hmmm
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[01:11] <michael__> k
[01:11] <michael__> :-p
[01:11] <mhz> it is python and html I guess
[01:12] <michael__> isn't it python, i'm not very good at python io'm just php/js/html/flash/jsp
[01:12] <mhz> ohh
[01:12] <michael__> :-p
[01:12] <mhz> maybe you can help integrating it with either .LRN or Moodle or Claroline
[01:14] <michael__> ?
[01:14] <michael__> how would that go about?
[01:17] <michael__> SchoolTool is written in the Python language, using the Zope 3 web framework.  The code is extensively tested with unit and functional tests.  If you're interested in getting involved in SchoolTool development, check the code out of our repository, have a look around, drop in on our irc channel, and fix a few bugs.
[01:19] <mhz> yep, but th1a has told me they may consider some integration with Moodle or Claroline
[01:19] <mhz> in #schooltool
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[03:50] <mhz> Yagisan: HI!!!
[03:50] <mhz> I was just thinking of you!
[03:53] <Yagisan> mhz: really ? cool
[03:53] <mhz> indeed
[03:53] <mhz> I am in #schooltool
[03:54] <mhz> and th1a told me: mhz th1a: hmmm not yet but I guess I 'll have to start knowing about ZODB
[03:54] <mhz> mhz any good tips and suggestions why I'd better know about ZODB ?
[03:54] <mhz> th1a Well, it allows you to just focus on writing Python code.  You make Python objects that subclass the Persistent class, and they become persistent.
[03:54] <Yagisan> mhz: what's up ?
[03:54] <mhz> and I couldn't stop the laugh
[03:54] <mhz> that was japaneese to my ears :D
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[03:56] <mhz> Yagisan: also, I have just installed breezy for a small homeserver I'll have to use to host tecnocimiento.cl
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[03:56] <Yagisan> mhz: nice
[03:56] <mhz> and I was about doing the NAT stuff it did not work yesterday on a homebox
[03:56] <Yagisan> mhz: If you run into any issues, let me know
[03:57] <Yagisan> mhz: need a firewall script ?
[03:57] <mhz> I thought just 2 lines would do
[03:57] <mhz> unless you strongly suggested I was nuts
[03:58] <mhz> my main issue was that either my DHCP worked or NAT, but not the 2 together :(
[03:58] <Yagisan> mhz: using the dhcp on your adsl router ?
[03:58] <mhz> so I'm loging in now to see what happens this time ;)
[03:58] <mhz> Yagisan: hahaha, not any more
[03:59] <Yagisan> mhz: good - I was about to suggest not to use it
[03:59] <mhz> I have a ISP (Modem provide DHCP) and a hub like thing with 8 NICs
[04:00] <mhz> and the homeserver has 2 NIC's
[04:00] <mhz> my original idea is 1 NIC for local and 1 NIC for outside
[04:00] <Yagisan> mhz: yep, that's a nice start
[04:00] <mhz> but maybe I could just use 1 NIC for both traffics
[04:01] <Yagisan> mhz: two nics !!!!
[04:01] <mhz> and use the other NIC on a small box
[04:01] <mhz> oooh, okis
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[04:01] <Yagisan> mhz: mine is adsl modem -> firewall/server -> switch -> other pcs
[04:02] <mhz> yeah! a switch is what i have
[04:03] <mhz> cable modem -> server -> switch laptops
[04:03] <mhz> cable modem -> server -> switch -> laptops
[04:03] <Yagisan> :)
[04:04] <mhz> but the damn M$ laptop of my wife always gives troubles
[04:04] <Yagisan> mhz: I used to run a dhcp server on my firewall box, but I moved it to the ltsp server
[04:04] <Yagisan> mhz: why does she need windows
[04:04] <Yagisan> ?
[04:04] <mhz> Yagisan: well, this homeserver will have to be Edubuntu LTSP and hosting for TC
[04:04] <mhz> Yagisan: in a worl of gates?
[04:04] <mhz> +d
[04:05] <Yagisan> mhz: all I need on my server now is a bittorent tracker and seeder
[04:05] <mhz> Yagisan: she only keeps it because she needs to generate DWG's files (AutoCAD)
[04:05] <mhz> (though she'd prefer MiniCAD)
[04:05] <Yagisan> mhz: ouch :(
[04:06] <mhz> yeah, I'd love to have a server server
[04:06] <mhz> not a server for LTSP + hosting pages
[04:06] <mhz> but well.. sheeps happen
[04:07] <mhz> ;)
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[04:07] <Yagisan> mhz: perhaps xen, uml, or linux vservers could help. If it makes you feel better, my server does multiple roles too
[04:08] <mhz> hehhehe
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[04:08] <mhz> well, one of my dreams is to provide low cost UserModeLinux hosting for geeks
[04:08] <Yagisan> mhz: you'd be shocked if you new how many things I run on that server
[04:09] <Yagisan> s/new/knew
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[04:09] <mhz> as longas it is not porn server ;)
[04:11] <mhz> Yagisan: how long did it take you to set your Zope env.?
[04:11] <Yagisan> mhz: while I may have the hard drive space for that, I lack the bandwidth - so yes, I'd have the most popular site on the web, until I'm DOSed right off the net by horny teenagers
[04:11] <Yagisan> mhz: 20 minutes, after I practiced a few days in advance
[04:12] <mhz> ohh
[04:12] <mhz> with edubuntu box?
[04:12] <Yagisan> mhz: what do you want to set up in zope ?
[04:13] <mhz> iirc, edubuntu comes qirh zope ready
[04:13] <Yagisan> mhz: ubuntu
[04:13] <mhz> with
[04:13] <mhz> Yagisan: just courious
[04:13] <Yagisan> mhz: plone needs things installed in a certain order
[04:13] <mhz> SchoolTool runs Zope 3 and python
[04:13] <Yagisan> mhz: zope installs, but won't run until you create an instance
[04:13] <mhz> ohhh
[04:14] <Yagisan> mhz: Schooltool should set up a zope instance as it installs
[04:14] <Yagisan> mhz: if not - file a bug ;)
[04:15] <mhz> it works perfectly
[04:15] <mhz> Yagisan: just courious
[04:23] <mhz> Yagisan: once my interfaces are ok, can I manually config 'dhcp server' or it will conflict with Edubuntu once I install it (yes, I had to use Ubuntu cd )
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: don't do dhcp yet
[04:24] <mhz> okis
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: install edubuntu
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: it should install a dhcp server
[04:24] <mhz> yup
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: configure that one instead
[04:24] <mhz> hence I asked about 'conflict'
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: and you are good to go
[04:24] <mhz> okis
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: because when you install edubuntu, it's dhcp settings take priority
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[04:43] <mhz> Yagisan: hmmmm
[04:43] <mhz> little issue
[04:43] <mhz> Yagisan: I have been at this laptop while the sytem was being installed on the homeserver
[04:44] <Yagisan> mhz: ?
[04:44] <mhz> iin order to install edubuntu desktop and server, I need to connect modem to homserver instead and I'd lose this communication and wiki editing I am on
[04:45] <mhz> because I have only 1 NIC in the laptop
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[04:45] <mhz> Yagisan: any 'gifted man ideas' ?
[04:46] <Yagisan> mhz: hmm
[04:47] <Yagisan> mhz: well - yes, but I doubt you have the hardware there
[04:47] <Yagisan> mhz: we *can* turn your parallel port into a network interface
[04:47] <Yagisan> mhz: but it's not that fast
[04:48] <mhz> lol
[04:48] <mhz> you are nuts
[04:48] <Yagisan> mhz: well, I have the hardware here :) and once I built a cluster of systems daisy chained with parallel ports
[04:49] <Yagisan> mhz: I'd finish up your work - then install edubuntu on the server
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[04:49] <mhz> yeah, it sounds less traumatic
[04:50] <mhz> what if I used eth0:1
[04:50] <mhz> or something?
[04:50] <Yagisan> mhz: you may be able to set up sub-interfaces - but the "gifted man" takes the easy way out
[04:52] <mhz> okis
[04:52] <mhz> the padawan follows advice
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[04:53] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[04:53] <Yagisan> G'day Lord_Athur
[04:53] <Lord_Athur> mhz, prac can be a good option, but i could not understand your instrucctions in the wiki (i've got bag english....)
[04:53] <Lord_Athur> hi Yagisan 
[04:53] <Yagisan> mhz - is it ethical of me to download 4.7GB of learning material in a torrent
[04:53] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ahhh, Trac
[04:53] <Yagisan> ?
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> mhz, is there another program
[04:54] <mhz> why not, Yagisan ?
[04:54] <mhz> moin-desktop
[04:54] <mhz> 3 minutes only
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> but one a little easier (easyer or more easy)
[04:54] <mhz> no apache
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:54] <mhz> Lord_Athur: need a url?
[04:55] <Lord_Athur> yes
[04:55] <Lord_Athur> mhz, i'm not allowed to find good applications with my debian source list
[04:55] <Lord_Athur> :O
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> i never find what i want
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> xD
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> i will have to change to an ubuntu based system soon
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> then mhz, can't apache be a wiki?
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> because apache is currently installed on the system
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> :O
[04:57] <mhz> Lord_Athur: moin-desktop does not use apache, nor SQL
[04:58] <mhz> only moin-desktop
[04:58] <mhz> 1) Download
[04:58] <mhz> 2) unpack
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[04:58] <mhz> 3) run it
[04:58] <mhz> 5 mintues
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> my debian aptitude system does not find it
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> the moin-desktop or moin-server cannot be installer
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> but i installer Prac
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> do i run it?
[05:00] <mhz> Lord_Athur: not in repositories
[05:00] <mhz> URL
[05:00] <mhz> :)
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> then, give me the link to install it
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> i installed Prac
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> do i run it?
[05:02] <mhz> Trac
[05:02] <mhz> not Prac
[05:02] <mhz> :)
[05:02] <Lord_Athur> :O
[05:02] <Lord_Athur> verdad
[05:02] <Lord_Athur> xD
[05:03] <Lord_Athur> do i run it under a terminal environment?
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[05:18] <mhz> nope
[05:19] <lshirota> does anybody know how to setup a dial-up account?
[05:21] <mhz> lshirota: not me :(
[05:22] <mhz> there's a tool forit
[05:23] <lshirota> and what is that
[05:23] <mhz> lshirota: I have never used it
[05:23] <mhz> sorry
[05:24] <mhz> the good news is that it is possible :)
[05:25] <lshirota> ok
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[05:57] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[05:58] <Lord_Athur> mhz_ServerOff, i've decided to continue with apache for the documentation
[05:59] <Lord_Athur> :O
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> is there a current version of edubuntu live cd?
[06:04] <Lord_Athur> doesn't this exist?
[06:05] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, don't you know it?
[06:05] <Lord_Athur> :P
[06:06] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: sorry - was doing some work
[06:06] <Lord_Athur> ok+
[06:06] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: no live cd for breezy
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> :O
[06:07] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:07] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: should be one for dapper
[06:07] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: live cd is a workstation install
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[06:07] <Lord_Athur> thanks Yagisan 
[06:08] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: your welcome
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> :D
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[11:30] <michael__> Hello
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[12:48] <lucasvo> will there be a GRUB with pictures in dapper?
[12:49] <lucasvo> http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/ 
[12:49] <lucasvo> like this
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[01:22] <michael__> don' think thats on main roadmap...
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[03:25] <michael__> wow there not much talk in here :-p
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[03:43] <penguin_roar> michael, were meditating ;D
[03:47] <michael__> of course i'm sorry
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[04:02] <mhz> juliux, awake?
[04:04] <juliux> mhz, yes
[04:04] <mhz> juliux, could you help me see why i am so stupid i can't make NAT work, please?
[04:05] <juliux> mhz, puh
[04:06] <juliux> mhz, i can try it 
[04:06] <mhz> it used to wrok just fine
[04:06] <mhz> until I had to let the box go. Now, I got it back, installed Edubuntu and still no NAT, juliux 
[04:07] <juliux> you have 2 NIC in the box right?
[04:07] <juliux> and  2 different ip addressareas right?
[04:08] <mhz> good point. I have:
[04:08] <mhz> ISP modem -> homeserver (eth0) -> switch (eth1) -> laptops
[04:09] <juliux> ok
[04:09] <juliux> an on which rechner you want to do NAT?
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[04:10] <mhz> rechner?
[04:10] <juliux> sorry on which computer
[04:11] <mhz> form laptop to Edubuntu server 
[04:13] <michael__> hey mhz
[04:15] <mhz> michael__, hi there
[04:16] <juliux> mhz,        iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE 
[04:16] <juliux> mhz, that should work
[04:16] <michael__> wow your setup looked like wha ti was tryign to do :-p
[04:16] <juliux> mhz, eth0 is the outgoing device on the server
[04:16] <michael__> eth0 ->wlan1 ->router -> isp
[04:17] <mhz> juliux, that I do... unsuccessfully
[04:17] <juliux> mhz, and you have to activate masquerading with this         echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[04:17] <mhz> yup
[04:17] <mhz> very typical NAT
[04:17] <juliux> yes 
[04:17] <mhz> not working for 10 hours
[04:18] <juliux> hm
[04:18] <juliux> strange
[04:18] <mhz> yup
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[04:19] <mhz> :)
[04:19] <juliux> but it was working right?
[04:20] <mhz> when I lent the box
[04:20] <mhz> when I got it back
[04:20] <mhz> I installed everything again
[04:21] <mhz> from breezy CD
[04:21] <juliux> hm
[04:21] <juliux> strange
[04:23] <mhz> yup
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[05:28] <andrew_> hi all
[05:28] <mhz> hi
[05:30] <andrew_> im currently running 4 ubuntu breezy boxes here, and im thinking of putting edubuntu on my 8yr old sons box what will he have different?
[05:32] <mhz_libre> nothing, except he'll get GCompris + other edu apps
[05:32] <mhz_libre> like khangman
[05:32] <mhz_libre> and, that box can be used for LTSP serving
[05:33] <andrew_> is there an easy way to go from ubuntu breezy to edubuntu breezy?
[05:33] <mhz_libre> yup
[05:34] <andrew_> change sources.lst?
[05:34] <mhz_libre> apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <mhz_libre> and apt-get install edubuntu-server
[05:34] <andrew_> ah ok
[05:34] <mhz_libre> if you want LTSP
[05:34] <mhz_libre> edubuntu is 100% ubuntu
[05:35] <andrew_> well i have a 3ghz p4 desktop that could run ltsp i would think
[05:35] <mhz> indeed
[05:35] <andrew_> i have been using it for xdmcp
[05:35] <mhz> that's for your son?
[05:35] <mhz> wow!
[05:36] <mhz> I wanna be your son :D
[05:36] <andrew_> no, he has a p4 2.8
[05:36] <andrew_> :)
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[05:37] <andrew_> i have quite a bit of p3 hardware
[05:37] <mhz_libre> oh
[05:37] <mhz_libre> nice
[05:37] <mhz_libre> since
[05:37] <andrew_> how does ltsp compare with xdmcp?
[05:37] <mhz_libre> Edubuntu is cool from min. 1.xGHz processor, 256 RAM for server + 128 MB p/client attached to it
[05:38] <mhz_libre> Edubuntu ltsp is forwarding ssh
[05:38] <mhz_libre> and LTSP can be used for very thin clients (no HD)
[05:38] <andrew_> does it run faster than xdmcp?
[05:38] <mhz_libre> no idea
[05:39] <andrew_> ok, np, i will try it out then
[05:39] <mhz_libre> I have not tried yet
[05:40] <andrew_> my wife works in education too so she is interested to see it
[05:41] <mhz> great
[05:42] <mhz> also, Edubuntu comes with SchoolTool ready to rock
[05:42] <mhz> in localhost:8080
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[06:02] <michael__> mines not on port 8080 by default man
[06:05] <mhz_libre> ?
[06:05] <mhz_libre> /etc/init.d/schooltool start :)
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[06:28] <michael__> i ment imne on 9080...
[06:28] <mhz> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[06:28] <mhz> true
[06:28] <michael__> :-p
[06:28] <mhz> 70:80
[06:28] <mhz> :7080
[06:29] <michael__> yeah was before :-p
[06:29] <michael__> 8080 is coldfusion... and other web services
[06:30] <mhz> oh, coldfusion must be FreeAsInfreedom so people can get more energy
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[06:39] <michael__> of course it is...
[06:58] <penguin_roar> what is schooltool?
[07:01] <michael__> it is school planning tool
[07:02] <michael__> http://www.schooltool.org/
[07:02] <michael__> or if your running edubuntu
[07:02] <michael__> 127.0.0.1:7080
[07:03] <michael__> strangly enough i have no clue as to what the default password is
[07:03] <michael__> they have irc #schooltool
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[08:08] <michael__> whats the schooltool pass and user?
[08:12] <michael__> ...o
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[11:25] <BenGC> howdy
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[11:28] <michael__> of ocurse i miss the cahgne to say hi :-p
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[11:48] <michael__> hey