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Tm_Tsooo, -13 kernel isn't that good, right? atleast here was several issues with it12:24
crimsundo you mean -12?12:26
mdzworks fine here12:27
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Tm_Twell, part of /var was gone (that part atleast what apt uses) and network wasn't working12:32
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lamont__mdz: ping12:41
mdzlamont__: pong12:41
lamont__UVF/universe question for you...12:41
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lamont__in december, I uploaded lablgl_1.01-9ubuntu1 to use ocaml-3.09.112:42
lamont__Jan 7, the debian maintainer uploaded lablgl_1.02-1, also building with ocaml-3.09.112:42
lamont__however, no merge ever happened.12:42
lamont__but lablgtk did sync from debian (and is now ftbfs, d-w lablgl>=1.02-1)12:43
mdza sync is fine with me if MOTU don't object12:43
lamont__is that worthy of a sync?12:43
lamont__ah, ok12:43
crimsunit's fine with me12:45
slomosame here ;)12:45
crimsunI was going to ask for it in Dec12:45
lamont__mdz: and as an FYI:12:46
lamont__sound/vorbisgain_0.36-1: Dep-Wait by buildd+vernadsky [optional:out-of-date] 12:46
lamont__  Dependencies: debhelper (>= 5.0.10)12:46
lamont__dapper has 5.0.7ubuntu212:46
lamont__crimsun: done12:47
lamont__slomo: ditto12:47
crimsundanke12:47
lamont__sladen: just oh btw, e2fs-zero.py doubled the size of the hppa loopfs. :(12:47
slomomdz: another UVF question here... when upstream has a "bugfix-only" branch and we want to follow this, i.e. get a new upstream version with only bugfixes... is it likely to get an UVF exception? this mostly affects mono and stuff depending on it12:48
xhakergconf12:49
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mxpxpodwhat's going on with sound on powerpc in the latest dapper? alsa can't seem to find the soundcard (2.6.15-13)01:12
Burgundaviamxpxpod, please file a bug01:13
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mdzslomo: yes01:36
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lamontdear openoffice.  please don't &*)%$^&%*_)$^*&%_(&) steal focus when you start.  kthxbye02:40
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sladenlamont: oooh, funky.  does e2fsck reckon the filesystem is still okay?03:47
sladenlamont: both before and afterwards;03:48
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lamontsladen: haven't really played with it05:28
lamontI'll do some investigation though05:28
lamontjust not today05:28
sladenlamont: the grunt work is done by e2fsdump or something so hopefully it doesn't screw up the data in the meantime.  if it's *exactly* twice as long is that a 64-bit issue somewhere?05:29
sladenlamont: okay05:29
lamontnot exactly 2x05:30
lamont3.9e6 instead of 2.1e605:30
lamonter, e905:30
psusieh? what's going on?05:32
psusidid I somehow miss part of this conversation?05:32
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lamontpsusi: tons of scrollback ago05:33
psusiI guess so... over an hour I guess too... or however long I've been logged on05:33
lamontyeah, IIRC, something like 15 hours or so ago.05:33
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lamontpsusi: I've been in conversations that took literally _days_ simply because of absolute time-slew. (both parties online for 8+hours, never the same 8 hours)05:35
lamonter, no part of those 2x8 hours being overlapping at all05:36
lamontit makes for some rather disjointed discussions, esp when they happen in a public channel05:36
psusiomfg05:36
sladenpsusi: I gave up reading IRC by anything other than highlights...05:36
psusiwho reads that much scrollback?05:36
lamontpsusi: if the tab is blue, you go find it.05:36
psusilol.... wow05:36
lamontand knowing that the other person does that means you can drop little nonsequitors for them to answer.05:37
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lamontdunno how true it still is, but most of the original ubuntu crew working towards warty fits into the crowd that plays catchup on scrollback, at least looking for higlights, as the start of their day05:38
psusianyone know a debian-installer guru?  I think I have managed to udebify the dmraid package, but I can't get it built into a custom setup cd right to test it... 05:38
psusiafter building d-i from source and burning, setup complains that it can't find the Packages list... but it's there, i didn't touch that file05:38
psusionly replaced initrd.gz05:38
psusiand updated it's md5sum in md5sums.txt05:39
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lamonthrm... the udeb is going to live in cdrom/pool/....05:40
lamontwhich means fixing Packages, Packages.gz, fixing Release, Release.sig, and then (maybe - dunno if breezy was nicer in this respect) hacking ubuntu-keyring and doing that over again, so that the CD still verifies.05:41
psusiI built it into the initrd05:41
psusiI think...05:41
lamontif it's truly something that just lives in the initrd, then you're probably OK w/out mucking with Packages et al.05:41
lamonti386?05:41
psusiI got the source package for debian-installer, and added it to the package lists in there and built it05:41
psusiamd6405:41
psusithat resulted in a kernel image and an initrd... so I copied the initrd to the directory tree I extracted from the flight 3 iso05:42
lamontthen it's probably just the magic mkisofs command, which can be found on the LiveCDCustomizationHowTo page on the wiki05:42
psusiand updated the md5sums.txt, burned and booted05:42
lamontadmittedly, solving a slightly different issue.05:42
psusidid that05:42
lamontthen where is it dying>?05:42
psusiwell, actually I read SetupCDCustomizationHowTo05:42
lamontok05:42
psusid-i says it can't find Packages05:42
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lamontand there's a /cdrom/dists/$Mumble/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 file?05:43
psusiI *think* that the udeb can live in the initrd... it contains a single binary, /sbin/dmraid, and a postinst that runs dmraid -ay05:43
lamontwith the right md5sum in .../Release?05:43
lamontif it's in the initrd, then it doesn't run a postinst...05:43
psusilamont, I didn't touch anything in dists, it's all exactly as is from the flight3 cd05:43
lamontsince that's just a copy of a few binaries05:43
psusihrm....05:44
lamontd-i litteraly says it can't find the Packages file?05:44
psusiyea05:44
lamontor it can't find your udeb?05:44
psusican't find Packages05:44
psusiwhich I thought was really odd05:44
lamontthat could be a bad burn command, causing it to not be where it's supposed to be...05:44
psusiI looked... it was there05:44
lamonthow well does your CD compare to one that boots?05:44
lamontok05:44
lamontdunno.  I've bludgeoned around building CD's before, but not much recently.05:45
psusihrm... so... if you build d-i with the udeb, it installs it into the initrd, but won't run postinst on boot?05:45
psusithe non udeb version of the package installs files in /usr/share/initramfs-tools so that mkinitramfs will build dmraid into your initrd05:46
psusishould I just let the udeb do that too and build it into d-i?  or does d-i not use mkinitramfs like that?05:46
lamontthe initrd is "enough stuff to get us booted to the point where we can find the CD and load the rest of d-i from the cd"05:47
psusik... sounds like it shouldn't be there then... where should it be such that it will have it's postinst run?05:47
psusiand how do I get it there?05:47
lamontbut I'm kinda fuzzy on what the official process is for whatever it is you're trying to do with it....05:47
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lamontadding new udeb's is not something I'm familiar with05:47
psusidmraid is a program that scans the disks for bios metadata identifying the hardware fakeraid configuration, and programs the kernel device mapper to access it... it's a binary that you need to call before setup runs partman basically ;)05:48
psusiand obviously, dm-mod needs to be loaded as well05:49
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nnonixAre you guys handling w32codecs any differently in dapper?06:44
Amaranthstill not handling them at all06:47
Amaranthseeing how it's massive copyright infringement06:48
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nnonixWell, that's one way to handle them06:51
Amaranthnnonix: you realize what w32codecs is, don't you?06:52
nnonixyes I do06:53
nnonixbut I'm a rebel06:53
nnonix:)06:53
nnonixcheck this06:53
nnonixgstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly06:53
nnonixgstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse06:53
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Amaranthugly != illegal in US06:58
Amaranthnot all of them, anyway06:58
Amaranththe ugly package is basically some really crappy plugins that need lots of love to make it into good or bad06:59
nnonixYep, I just found the -ugly humorous07:03
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Lathiatif i remove x-common xorg-common xserver-common will it break my system?07:33
Lathiatim despratel in need of an upgrade my kde is only half working :\ heh07:33
Lathiatsuppose i could leave the X upgrades back07:33
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l0st-bitHello07:45
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Tm_TLathiat: I think you can remove them08:03
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Lathiat02:14 < seb128>    * Merge xserver-common and xorg-common packages into x11-common.08:35
Lathiatah08:35
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MezLathiat: ping08:36
LathiatMez: pong08:37
MezLathiat: any prgress on the thing for katapult? 08:38
MezI cant see you in the channel - or I'd have pinged you there08:38
LathiatMez: been to busy to do anything as yet08:39
Mezkool08:40
Lathiatgot linx.conf.au this week might find some hacking time :)08:40
Mezkool08:42
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triceratopsDoes someone know which application is resposible for mountung 'varlock -t tmpfs /var/lock' in dapper?  It seems that some folders, e.g. /var/lock/clamav where not created.09:32
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pittihi11:27
HiddenWolfhi pitti 11:28
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csjMithrandir, hello, I download i386.squashfs  and  `mount i386.squashfs /mnt -t squashfs -o loop`  but it seems read-oonly, could you give me some advice to re-mster it?11:31
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mdkeMithrandir, how are we looking on the ubuntu-docs update? did you upload it already?12:39
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marseillai_hi! i currently got a dapper on my laptop (MSI S260) and i can not use hibernation. i've made many tests but no way to solve the problem for me. i would do a bug report but i don't really know how to do. I assume it must be done on launchpad? but what file i must include with the bug report? perhaps /var/log/dmesg ? perhaps another? could you help me please. thanks and sorry for my english mistakes, i'm french.01:00
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mdkemarseillai, include what you can with the bug report, and the developers will ask for what they need01:01
marseillaioki but01:01
marseillaiwhat do you think the can need ?01:01
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mdkemarseillai, your video card?01:05
marseillaimdke: intel i91501:06
mdkemarseillai, there is likely a bug open about that, hang on01:08
mdketry bug 2921801:09
UbugtuMalone bug 29218: "Hibernation resume failure on Thinkpad T43" Fix req. for: acpi-support (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/2921801:09
marseillaimdke: i didn't know this bug but it seem it's not the same01:10
marseillaiGoing to hibernation works seems to work fine too01:11
marseillaibut on wake i got a "normal" boot01:11
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mdkemarseillai, ok, file a separate bug01:12
marseillaii'll do!01:12
marseillaithx for your help01:12
marseillaiso. It's really not easy to report a bug ... :s01:16
mdkemarseillai, in that case, you need to report a bug with the bug reporting software ;) or ask in #launchpad01:19
marseillaiis it important to say i use kubuntu ?01:22
mdkemarseillai, the more information the better01:23
marseillaioki01:23
marseillaimdke: last question : i'm writing my report here : https://launchpad.net/ who can i attach a file ????01:24
mdkemarseillai, make sure you file the bug on ubuntu, under the package acpi-support, then afterwards, attach a file with "Add Attachment"01:26
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marseillaihttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/2928101:31
UbugtuMalone bug 29281: "hibernate doesn't work" Fix req. for: acpi-support (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed01:31
marseillaiis it ok ?01:31
mpt_marseillai, that's fine01:32
marseillaithanks for your help mdke 01:33
mdkenp01:33
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siretartlamont: could you please give back gnucash? I cannot reproduce the problems from the buildd logs on my laptop.01:48
siretartoh wait. it depends on xfree86-common 01:50
siretartis this supposed to work in dapper?01:50
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torkelsiretart: shouldn't it be x11-common nowdays?02:01
siretarttorkel: seems so. the question is if I really have to touch the package02:02
siretartbut I think I have :/02:02
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segfaultwhy "w" takes so long to execute now?02:43
segfaultreal    0m2.035s02:43
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HiddenWolfIs todays daily-live sane?02:47
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Evasohi, actually ubuntu automatically recognize new installed hard-drive?02:57
HiddenWolfEvaso: #ubuntu02:58
EvasoHiddenWolf: i want only know for backporting to debian is not a support request :)02:58
mdkeEvaso, #ubuntu might be able to help02:59
Evasoi try it03:00
mdkeok03:00
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Evasomdke: seems that also ubuntu needs to manually mount or edit /etc/fstab for new hard-drive03:03
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siretartEvaso2: yes03:06
Evaso2This is a problem for some newbie that after come back to computer assistance doesn't find his new hard drive in ubuntu03:06
siretartright03:07
siretartbut what should be done in case a new hard drive is inserted?03:07
siretartthe user is expected to partition and create filesystem on it03:07
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Evaso2why doesn't let the disk manager of gnome-system-tools the let you to mount new harddrive 03:08
siretartI don't expect newbies to even understand what this means and how to do it03:08
Evaso2also to interact with fstab03:08
siretartit does? really?03:08
Evaso2yes it let to mount new haddriwe because is scan devices03:08
Evaso2and not fstab03:08
siretartinteresting03:09
Evaso2also gparted (gtk gui) 03:09
siretartyes03:09
Evaso2let to partition new harddrive because scan devices03:09
siretartif you really care about this, could you please write a spec documenting what should be done in this case?03:10
siretartbecause I think this really needs more discussion03:10
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Evaso2i could but my english is not at the level of an human understendable spec :)03:11
mdkedo it in your language, and ask someone on a local community team to translate it03:12
mdkeor correct it03:12
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Evaso2where i could to post the english version?03:14
mdkeEvaso2, on the wiki03:15
HiddenWolfmdke: launchpad?03:16
mdkeEvaso2, on the wiki, create a new page using "SpecTemplate" and then you can make a spec entry in launchpad if you wish03:18
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Chipzz*sigh*03:38
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Chipzzwho to fuck was smoking what on earth when they invented the seriously crakpotted idea of /var/run and /var/lock mounted as a tmpfs?03:39
HiddenWolfaren't those supposed to contain only temporary information?03:40
Chipzzthey stay mounted after boot03:41
ChipzzWORSE03:41
Chipzzthey get mounted after booting a kernel without initramfs!03:41
Chipzz$#%$## !03:42
siretart?03:42
ChipzzI have a kernel compiled with make-kpkg, without the need for any initrd/initramfs at all, and it breaks horribly :/03:43
Chipzze2fsck output getting spewn over the console with brown * beside it (like the failed stuff), network not starting up at all...03:43
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siretartChipzz: try asking the guys in #ubuntu-kernel. 03:45
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Mithrandirmdke: sorry, haven't gotten around to uploading it yet.. been out skiing today.  I'll try to get to it on Monday.04:28
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jsgotangcohi guys04:33
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HiddenWolfwho is the livecd guy?04:43
xhakermight be the casper wizard04:43
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MithrandirHiddenWolf: 'sup?04:43
jsgotangcoheh04:44
HiddenWolfMithrandir: works fine here, but the blue loading bar and the "loading linux" with lotsa dots message really have to go.04:44
Mithrandirwhat blue loading bar?04:45
HiddenWolfright after the menu.04:46
MithrandirHiddenWolf: the "loading linux" messages come from the kernel.04:46
Mithrandiroh, that one.04:46
HiddenWolfthere is a windows-like popup loading bar, dissapears in a bit.04:46
Mithrandirthey have nothing to do with the live cd, it's a bootloader thing.  Fight over it with Kamion04:46
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HiddenWolfMithrandir: and networking didn't come up, but I guess that's known. ;)04:47
MithrandirHiddenWolf: that's known, yes.  I'm blaming Scott for that one.  I guess we'll find a solution to that at the distro sprint.04:48
HiddenWolfMithrandir: make the kernel messages go, or land behind the menu or something. Spoils the good impression.04:48
MithrandirHiddenWolf: if you want the "loading linux" thing to go away, you have to convince BenC, not me.04:48
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lamontmozilla, gnucash given back05:06
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Mithrandirmdz: regarding 29223, our livefs is about a week old, it doesn't have any of the one-true-path stuff in it.05:52
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mdkeMithrandir, ooh nice. thanks07:36
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ryanpgupdated dapper, Xorg.0.log says:08:15
ryanpg(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so08:16
ryanpg(EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7)08:16
ryanpgknown bug? or should I file one?08:16
azeemdid you check whether it is known?08:16
ryanpgazeem, I'm still getting the hang of launchpad/malone whatever08:17
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ryanpgso no08:17
ryanpghttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=libGLcore.so&search=Search&orderby=-priority%2C-severity turns up nothing but who knows If I searched correctly08:19
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ubuntu_anyone knows whats the package for network-admin? I want to fill a bug for dapper08:35
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thierry_anyone knows whats the package for network-admin? I want to fill a bug for dapper08:36
crimsunthierry_: use http://packages.ubuntu.com 's search08:36
thierry_thanks08:36
winklethierry_: gnome-system-tools08:36
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thierry_crimsun, winkle : if you want to check the bug, its 29314 on launchpad... very strange one08:41
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HiddenWolf\sh_away: could you please not break planet again? :)08:53
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mdzMithrandir: odd, I wonder why a) I haven't received any livefs build failure notifications (lamont/infinity?), and b) why the PATH changed09:45
lamontmdz: checking. any == no arch built?09:47
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lamontmdz: stale lock file... removed, I'll have to track down why the previous build died without removing it though...09:55
alinux_hello boys :)09:55
alinux_I'm searching for pitti09:55
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mdkeAlinuxOS, you'll find him here monday to friday09:59
AlinuxOSmdke, thanks :)10:00
\shactually it's weekend nobody should work today, only totally screwed people like me...who are upgrading gentoo boxes 10:04
mdzlamont: thanks10:09
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AlinuxOShow can I definite a default language  with locale?10:14
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AlinuxOSsudo dpkg-reconfigure locales dosen't work anymore like in breezy.10:14
AlinuxOSI'm using dapper in this moment.10:14
lamontmdz: anything you want/need before I disappear for several hours?10:20
mxpxpodhas anyone seen multiple syslog processes getting launched in dapper?10:21
mxpxpodI had like 20 running just a moment ago10:21
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taomasterany easy way to install java?10:42
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mdketaomaster, try #ubuntu or search the wiki10:42
taomasterok  thanx10:46
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mxpxpodI just logged into gnome on dapper and it's not recognizing any of my settings11:02
mxpxpodI have all of the defaults11:02
HiddenWolfmxpxpod: #ubuntu11:03
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dilinger<dilinger> rock!11:07
dilinger<dilinger> i just upgraded to the latest initramfs/kernel packages in dapper11:07
dilinger<dilinger> it looks like it fixed all the udev problems11:07
dilinger<dilinger>  /dev/null and friends now even have the correct permissions11:07
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mxpxpoddilinger: what arch?11:08
dilingermxpxpod: amd6411:08
mxpxpoddilinger: hmm11:08
mxpxpoddilinger: after you upgraded, did you run anything?11:08
dilingernope11:08
dilingerjust rebooted11:08
mxpxpoddilinger: I still have udev problems... plus I have a gconf problem now11:09
dilinger  487  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-13-amd64-k8  initramfs-tools busybox-initramfs11:09
dilinger+ linux-image-amd64-k811:09
dilingeri left the rest alone11:09
ryanpgI have udev problems too, gnome-volume-manager perhaps also11:18
ryanpgUSB storage devices no longer show up on the desktop... they do in computer:/// though11:19
ryanpgquite odd11:19
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mxpxpodryanpg: I can't log into gnome right now11:20
ryanpgmxpxpod, you win11:20
segfaultany idea on why "w" takes so long now to run?11:20
mxpxpodryanpg: it's like gconf is hanging11:21
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ryanpgmxpxpod, when that's happend to me before I've moved .gconf and .gnome2 to a temporary locatoin11:21
mxpxpodryanpg: except that I'd like my settings to be saved...11:21
ryanpgmxpxpod, move back one part at a time and see what breaks? :)11:22
mxpxpodryanpg: heh11:22
ryanpgmxpxpod, I've really done that11:23
mxpxpodryanpg: no dice11:24
ryanpgmxpxpod, ?11:24
mxpxpodryanpg: I moved them and it still hangs11:24
ryanpgic11:25
ryanpgmxpxpod, well maybe you should ask in #ubuntu then :(11:25
mxpxpodryanpg: somethings really strange with dapper... I know that when I reboot, /etc/init.d/dns-clean fails to run and I have to create /var/run/pppconfig before it will work11:29
ryanpgmxpxpod, yeah I found that too11:29
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jc-dentonhi all11:30
jc-dentondid anybody here already try to build beagle11:30
mxpxpodryanpg: and with the latest kernel, I can't get a sound device11:30
ryanpgmxpxpod, I roll my own11:31
mxpxpodryanpg: I used to, but I don't have time anymore ;)11:31
torkeljc-denton: you will probably have better luck asking in #ubuntu-motu11:32
jc-dentonwell i'm trying to build it11:32
dilingerwhy is lm-sensors always on crack? :(11:33
mxpxpodryanpg: hmm, ok, this is strange... I'm getting a wierd error in my .xsession-errors file...11:33
dilinger-5V:       -3.74 V  (min =  +4.85 V, max =  +4.45 V)       ALARM11:33
dilingerwho writes this crap?11:33
jc-dentonbut i always get this error with ./configure11:33
jc-dentonchecking for mono.pc... configure: error: missing the mono.pc file, usually found in the mono-devel package11:34
jc-dentoni think i forgot something11:34
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jc-dentonbut i have no idea what11:34
mxpxpodjc-denton: wait, you have mono working?11:35
torkeldo you have libmono-dev installed?11:35
jc-dentoni thik11:35
jc-dentontorkel: not sure11:35
jc-dentonwell monodevelop works11:35
jc-dentonah ok11:36
jc-dentonthat was missing11:36
mxpxpodman, powerpc gets the short end of the stick11:36
Mezjdub: ping11:39
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mdkeit is because livejournal set the feed to all have the same date11:40
jc-dentonouh11:42
jc-dentonchecking for MONO... configure: error: Package requirements (mono >= 1.1.10) were not met.11:42
mxpxpodjc-denton: yeah, I get that too11:42
jc-dentoni've got only mono 1.1.8.311:42
jc-denton:(11:42
jc-dentonis there a way to get a newer mono?11:42
torkel1.1.13 is in dapper11:44
jc-dentoni have breezy11:45
jc-dentonand i cannot setup dapper right now11:45
torkeltry to find a backport of it maybe?11:45
Mithrandirmdz: I don't know how livefs build failures are communicated?11:46
jc-dentoni had one but it was completely broken11:46
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DenMithrandir: U here???11:53
DenHi all - anyone know if Mithrandir is around?  whois sho's he's beewn idle 6 min11:56
tsengDen: he was here just before you joined, maybe your enthusiasm scared him off? :)11:59
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tsengjc-denton: building things from source isnt really the aim of this channel 12:01
jc-dentontseng sry12:01
jc-dentonbut the people in #ubuntu didn't seem to have a clue12:01
tsenghttp://apt.filefind.net/12:01
tsengyou can try this for mono backports12:02
tsengbut I in no way support it12:02

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