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| Chipzz | hi | 03:47 |
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| Chipzz | do you guys realize that the latest initramfs setup has broken home-made kernels built with make-kpkg beyond all belief? | 03:47 |
| Chipzz | :/ | 03:48 |
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| Mithrandir | Chipzz: uh, how so? | 04:36 |
| Chipzz | networking not starting at all | 04:38 |
| Chipzz | which is due to /etc/network/ifstate not being removed | 04:38 |
| Chipzz | and output of e2fsck being spewed all over the console with brown * next to it | 04:39 |
| Chipzz | (like failure messages) | 04:39 |
| Mithrandir | that has nothing to do with custom or regular kernels. | 04:44 |
| zooko | I have a custom kernel built with make-kpkg, and I have different problems than that. | 04:45 |
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| Chipzz | oh *sigh* | 04:58 |
| Chipzz | this time it fucks up in the initramfs | 04:58 |
| Chipzz | :/ | 04:58 |
| Chipzz | this is exactly why I have home-made kernels: to avoid the need for any crap like initrds and initramfs'es *at all* | 04:59 |
| Chipzz | :( | 04:59 |
| Mithrandir | maybe it fucks up because you did something silly when compiling your kernel, then? | 05:01 |
| Chipzz | this kernel has worked ever since I installed ubuntu, and before that several months on a debian install | 05:11 |
| Chipzz | (to be more precise: I recompiled the kernel form my debian system with the same config on ubuntu with make-kpkg) | 05:12 |
| Mithrandir | yes, and? If you're not using initrds, the initrd/initramfs can't break your boot. | 05:12 |
| Chipzz | the reason it breaks is exactly because initramfs being run | 05:13 |
| Mithrandir | don't use initramfs, then. | 05:13 |
| Chipzz | ok, little question... | 05:13 |
| Chipzz | why is /dev mkdir'ed in the initramfs? | 05:14 |
| Mithrandir | because else it won't exist? :-) | 05:14 |
| Chipzz | duh :) | 05:14 |
| Chipzz | but why don't you put it in the initramfs in the first place>? | 05:14 |
| Mithrandir | that'd work too. | 05:14 |
| Chipzz | I was going to suggest the following: | 05:15 |
| Chipzz | on debian I had devfs earlier | 05:15 |
| Chipzz | but just in case that crapped up | 05:15 |
| Mithrandir | newer kernels don't support devfs, though. | 05:15 |
| Chipzz | I had the necessary device nodes in /dev | 05:15 |
| Chipzz | (for the root filesystem) | 05:15 |
| Chipzz | so even if for some reason the devfsd maintainer screwed up big time | 05:16 |
| Chipzz | at the very least the / fs would still mount | 05:16 |
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| Mithrandir | well, we discover stuff at boot-time rather than relying on /dev/sda being the right node each time. | 05:17 |
| Chipzz | maybe a good idea to actually ship /dev in the initramfs, with the necessary device nodes to mount / (and possibly /usr and /var and /tmp?) | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | or rather, you need to load the relevant module | 05:17 |
| Mithrandir | what's needed to mount the root filesystem? | 05:17 |
| Chipzz | one device node ;P | 05:17 |
| Chipzz | in my case, /dev/hda1 ;) | 05:18 |
| Mithrandir | udev creates that when the device becomes available | 05:18 |
| Chipzz | yes | 05:18 |
| Chipzz | and what if the udev maintainer fucks up and udev doesn't start? | 05:18 |
| Chipzz | ;) | 05:18 |
| Chipzz | thing is | 05:19 |
| Mithrandir | then your system becomes unbootable, but you switch back to your previous initramfs and boot happily using that? | 05:19 |
| Chipzz | you *know* what device node will be needed to mount / at initramfs creation time | 05:19 |
| Mithrandir | no, you don't. | 05:19 |
| Chipzz | wouldn't that be the same device node your / fs is mounted at at that moment? | 05:20 |
| Mithrandir | what's if your root device is an USB hard drive? | 05:21 |
| Chipzz | ok, in most sane cases... ;P | 05:23 |
| Mithrandir | installing to an USB hard drive is not a sane case? A live cd is not a sane case? | 05:27 |
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| dilinger | i dunno who normally handles this, but i just uploaded ndiswrapper 1.8 to debian | 08:04 |
| dilinger | there are misc bugs in 1.5 (which is in dapper) that are fixed in 1.8 | 08:04 |
| dilinger | might want to consider resynching w/ debian | 08:04 |
| BenC | we don't sync that package with debian, plus we are in an upstream feature freeze | 08:05 |
| BenC | but thanks | 08:05 |
| BenC | version freeze I mean | 08:05 |
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| dilinger | ok | 08:07 |
| dilinger | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338309 | 08:07 |
| dilinger | stuff like that is what you'll get when using ndiswrapper 1.5 w/ a newer kernel | 08:07 |
| BenC | how new? | 08:07 |
| BenC | we aren't going past 2.6.15 for dapper | 08:08 |
| dilinger | that bug report is with 2.6.14 | 08:08 |
| dilinger | 1.5 is quite old | 08:08 |
| BenC | 1.5 was released not too long after dapper started, which was only a few months ago | 08:08 |
| dilinger | well, in terms of kernel releases, it's old | 08:09 |
| zooko | Heh. | 08:09 |
| dilinger | i assume you had to patch it to make it compile? | 08:09 |
| dilinger | looks like 1.5 was released on halloween | 08:10 |
| BenC | don't think so, maybe just the USB URB thing | 08:10 |
| dilinger | a bunch of people compiled that 1.5 didn't compile w/ 2.6.14 | 08:11 |
| dilinger | complained, rather :) | 08:11 |
| dilinger | anyways, just a suggestion | 08:11 |
| BenC | ok | 08:12 |
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| zul | heylo | 08:29 |
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| mxpxpod | BenC: ping | 08:56 |
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| dilinger | ugh | 10:04 |
| dilinger | this dapper box is having issues | 10:04 |
| dilinger | disk read issues :/ | 10:04 |
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| dilinger | rock! | 10:54 |
| dilinger | i just upgraded to the latest initramfs/kernel packages in dapper | 10:55 |
| dilinger | it looks like it fixed all the udev problems | 10:55 |
| dilinger | /dev/null and friends now even have the correct permissions | 10:55 |
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| BenC | mxpxpod: pong | 11:23 |
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