=== pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-130-233.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-71-241-195-206.port.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["later."] === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-087-082.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@dpc67142247022.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-102-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zooko [n=user@blk-215-95-202.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zooko is now known as zookowiggle === zookowiggle is now known as zooko === Chipzz [n=chipzz@ace.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:47] hi [03:47] do you guys realize that the latest initramfs setup has broken home-made kernels built with make-kpkg beyond all belief? [03:48] :/ === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-129-244-71.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:36] Chipzz: uh, how so? [04:38] networking not starting at all [04:38] which is due to /etc/network/ifstate not being removed [04:39] and output of e2fsck being spewed all over the console with brown * next to it [04:39] (like failure messages) [04:44] that has nothing to do with custom or regular kernels. [04:45] I have a custom kernel built with make-kpkg, and I have different problems than that. === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:58] oh *sigh* [04:58] this time it fucks up in the initramfs [04:58] :/ [04:59] this is exactly why I have home-made kernels: to avoid the need for any crap like initrds and initramfs'es *at all* [04:59] :( [05:01] maybe it fucks up because you did something silly when compiling your kernel, then? [05:11] this kernel has worked ever since I installed ubuntu, and before that several months on a debian install [05:12] (to be more precise: I recompiled the kernel form my debian system with the same config on ubuntu with make-kpkg) [05:12] yes, and? If you're not using initrds, the initrd/initramfs can't break your boot. [05:13] the reason it breaks is exactly because initramfs being run [05:13] don't use initramfs, then. [05:13] ok, little question... [05:14] why is /dev mkdir'ed in the initramfs? [05:14] because else it won't exist? :-) [05:14] duh :) [05:14] but why don't you put it in the initramfs in the first place>? [05:14] that'd work too. [05:15] I was going to suggest the following: [05:15] on debian I had devfs earlier [05:15] but just in case that crapped up [05:15] newer kernels don't support devfs, though. [05:15] I had the necessary device nodes in /dev [05:15] (for the root filesystem) [05:16] so even if for some reason the devfsd maintainer screwed up big time [05:16] at the very least the / fs would still mount === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:17] well, we discover stuff at boot-time rather than relying on /dev/sda being the right node each time. [05:17] maybe a good idea to actually ship /dev in the initramfs, with the necessary device nodes to mount / (and possibly /usr and /var and /tmp?) [05:17] or rather, you need to load the relevant module [05:17] what's needed to mount the root filesystem? [05:17] one device node ;P [05:18] in my case, /dev/hda1 ;) [05:18] udev creates that when the device becomes available [05:18] yes [05:18] and what if the udev maintainer fucks up and udev doesn't start? [05:18] ;) [05:19] thing is [05:19] then your system becomes unbootable, but you switch back to your previous initramfs and boot happily using that? [05:19] you *know* what device node will be needed to mount / at initramfs creation time [05:19] no, you don't. [05:20] wouldn't that be the same device node your / fs is mounted at at that moment? [05:21] what's if your root device is an USB hard drive? [05:23] ok, in most sane cases... ;P [05:27] installing to an USB hard drive is not a sane case? A live cd is not a sane case? === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:04] i dunno who normally handles this, but i just uploaded ndiswrapper 1.8 to debian [08:04] there are misc bugs in 1.5 (which is in dapper) that are fixed in 1.8 [08:04] might want to consider resynching w/ debian [08:05] we don't sync that package with debian, plus we are in an upstream feature freeze [08:05] but thanks [08:05] version freeze I mean === dilinger shrugs [08:07] ok [08:07] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338309 [08:07] stuff like that is what you'll get when using ndiswrapper 1.5 w/ a newer kernel [08:07] how new? [08:08] we aren't going past 2.6.15 for dapper [08:08] that bug report is with 2.6.14 [08:08] 1.5 is quite old [08:08] 1.5 was released not too long after dapper started, which was only a few months ago [08:09] well, in terms of kernel releases, it's old [08:09] Heh. [08:09] i assume you had to patch it to make it compile? [08:10] looks like 1.5 was released on halloween [08:10] don't think so, maybe just the USB URB thing [08:11] a bunch of people compiled that 1.5 didn't compile w/ 2.6.14 [08:11] complained, rather :) [08:11] anyways, just a suggestion [08:12] ok === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:29] heylo === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:56] BenC: ping === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:04] ugh [10:04] this dapper box is having issues [10:04] disk read issues :/ === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:54] rock! [10:55] i just upgraded to the latest initramfs/kernel packages in dapper [10:55] it looks like it fixed all the udev problems [10:55] /dev/null and friends now even have the correct permissions === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:23] mxpxpod: pong === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel