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lamont__anyone complain if I fix lablgtk by syncing lablgl?  (which would have synced 2 weeks ago if I hadn't uploaded it in december...12:43
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=== Kyral wonders if he is like betraying Ubuntu by trying other Distros
crimsunof course not01:23
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Kyralcool01:24
Kyralits only in a VM Image anyway01:24
LaserJockKyral: what are you going to try01:24
KyralEVERYTHIGN!01:25
KyralSuSE, Fedora, Debian, VLOS, the BSDs01:25
KyralHURD01:25
LaserJockI see01:25
KyralHeheh01:26
KyralI want to know the strengths and weaknesses of every major distro01:26
LaserJockyou haven't done that before?01:27
Kyralnope01:27
KyralI mean I know Gentoo and Slack01:27
Kyraland of course Ubuntu01:27
phanaticyou have a lot of time, man :)01:28
LaserJockI've never done Slack, but I did Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo, little bit of Debian, and Vector01:28
Kyralits more like I have a lot of diskspace ;p01:28
ompaulKyral, how many distros do you think are major?01:29
KyralI started on Slack01:29
Kyralompaul: dunno01:29
Kyralmaybe the Top20 on DW?01:29
LaserJockI'd go top 15 maybe01:29
ompaulKyral, supposing one you like is not there maybe DSL ( now I don't know what number that is)01:29
KyralDSL I know01:29
Kyralhehe01:29
KyralWhen I saw GTKEdit for the first time, the first thing I thought was "Damn Small Linux!"01:30
ompaulKyral, knowing a good bit about the main packaging systems would be better for you imho01:30
Kyralyah01:30
KyralRPM, Portage, Slackpack01:30
KyralI already know about Debpack :P01:31
LaserJockI like Portage quite a bit01:32
KyralI used to be a Portage Junkie01:33
KyralI heard VLOS is good01:33
KyralGentoo for people who don't wanna wait ;P01:33
LaserJockPortage is why I'm using Ubuntu ;-)01:33
Kyrallol01:33
KyralI heard its written in Python01:33
LaserJockyeah, I think so01:33
KyralI also find it amusing that there is a gentoo package ;P01:34
LaserJockthe file manager?01:34
Kyralyah01:34
Kyralhmm01:36
KyralSuSE has a nice installer and a massive package selection on install, BUT its over 5 CDs...01:36
LaserJockyah, DVDs help01:37
Kyralyah..01:38
Kyralbut not everyone has a DVD Burner01:38
LaserJockthat is one thing I like about Ubuntu, 1 CD01:38
Kyralyah01:38
LaserJockbut if you have .isos and use vmware-player...01:40
KyralI meant for normal people ;P01:40
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lifelessis anyone interested in packaging kiax02:03
lifeless?02:03
Kyrallinky?02:03
lifelesskiaz.sf.net02:03
lifelesserm02:03
lifelesskiax.sf.net02:03
lifelesslinux softphone, talks IAX02:03
KyralI'll look in a sec02:03
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KyralSuSE is installing in a VM, and my computer is a little slow...02:04
Kyralright now ;P02:04
lifelessand as we're bring up asterix very soon, having that would rock02:04
Kyral?02:04
lifelessfor canonical/ubuntu - we're doing an asterix conference server02:05
Kyraloh02:05
Kyralwazzat?02:05
lifelessasterix - apt-cache should tell ya :)02:05
azeemlifeless: it's asterisk02:05
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lifelessazeem: lol, right02:07
Burgundavialifeless, this going to be accessible to non-canonical employees?02:08
lifelessBurgundavia: yes02:08
Burgundaviacan ekiga/gnomemeeting do IAX?02:08
lifelessAFIAK no02:09
lifelesswe'll have sip as well02:09
lifelessbut IAX is nicer02:09
Burgundaviayep02:09
tsengopal has iax support02:10
tsengbut i have to disable to build atm02:10
KyralOkay02:11
Kyralwe need to beat SuSE's installer02:11
Kyraland I think I know how to02:11
BurgundaviaKyral, what does it do better?02:11
KyralLet them play Tetris or Space Invaders while the install is going :D02:11
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tsengKyral: erm02:12
BurgundaviaKyral, espresso will let people play or surf, etc.02:12
tsengKyral: UbuntuExpress, play any game you want02:12
Kyraloh02:12
tsengits a livecd installer02:12
Kyral*sheepish look*02:12
Burgundavialifeless, ick kiax is qt/kde02:13
Kyralyah and I gotta write the guide on it for the DocTeam :D02:14
BurgundaviaKyral, the UI had better land soon. I understand that the dev sprint is likely to finish the major bits of it02:14
KyralI knwo I knwo lol02:14
KyralProlly by Flight 402:16
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KyralI am interested in seeing what they come up with02:16
Kyrallike what it looks like02:16
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shreddrmust go TODAY.  MESSAGE ME ONLY ON MSN AT MCSLTD2@HOTMAIL.COM, AIM AT OGD443 or YAHOO at MCSLTD2 IF INTERESTED! 1 alienware desktop computer price $550, one alienware area51-m 5700 notebook price $550.  prices include sameday shipping, case, wireless router.02:56
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tsengerg03:00
tsengbetter.03:00
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tsengirssi is too smart for my own good03:01
minghuawell done tseng :-)03:04
tsengwasnt me03:04
tsengfreenode ircop03:04
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minghuaoh I see03:04
KyralI am beginning to like SuSE lol03:08
Kyralenough to Dual Boot it03:08
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ajmitchafternoon03:17
SEJeffKyral, Are you serious? I have to fix the suse desktops of other admins at work with it's broken gnome implementation03:22
Kyrallol03:23
KyralIts fun...03:23
KyralI mean the Server thing03:23
SEJeffACPI in SUSE is also crap compared to ubuntu03:23
Kyraland Xen :D03:23
SEJeffSLES and SUSE are different... SLES (What we run at work) is pretty sweet03:24
SEJeffI agree with you about xen03:24
SEJeffAnd Apparmor03:24
KyralXen Xen Xen...03:24
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sistpotyhi folks03:29
ajmitchhi sistpoty03:32
sistpotyhi ajmitch03:32
ajmitchtypical, just after I do a bunch of zope merges/syncs, more are uploaded to debian ;)03:32
ajmitchnot new upstreams though, so I might ask for syncs03:32
sistpotyhehe03:33
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poningrur03:38
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phlaegelapparently mythtv .19 is coming out very soon (ie. about a week). any chance it'll get in to dapper?03:52
ajmitchit would require a freeze exception03:54
ajmitchgot good reasons for it to go in?03:54
Yagisanajmitch: is mythtv still maintained ? IIRC it was mdz's but not anymore03:55
ajmitchI don't know who cares for it now - I think some of the MOTUs do03:56
ajmitchI don't have the hardware, otherwise I'd use it03:56
Yagisanajmitch: I have the hardware - but no tv reception, so I can't use it :(03:57
Yagisanajmitch: I miss Iron Chef on SBS03:57
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Yagisanajmitch: much better quality then you can get from, well you know where03:58
ajmitchI get poor tv reception here, and few chanels03:58
ajmitchs/chanels/channels/03:58
sistpotyYagisan: iirc crimsun is working on mythtv03:59
Yagisanthanks sistpoty03:59
Yagisanajmitch: All I want is Iron Chef for me, and Play School for Kate and Eric04:00
Yagisanajmitch: and I can't even get that :(04:00
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phlaegelajmitch: I don't know the specifics, but I know they've done a lot of work on it... some new features, reworked livetv, etc... without it, I'd have to resort to building from source myself ;-)04:06
ajmitchwe hit upstream version freeze last week, so all exceptions need to have reasons :)04:07
phlaegelI've only been using mythtv for the last couple of versions, but the releases seem to be pretty solid04:07
tsenglike04:08
tsengbeagle 0.2.004:08
phlaegelajmitch: yeah, I know04:08
tsengmy reson?04:08
tsengit builds04:08
ajmitchf-spot 0.1.8 (when it's there) - because it fixes a few of the debian bugs04:08
stratusajmitch, cool that you wrote f-spot04:09
tsenghe did?04:10
tsengthat is cool04:10
stratusajmitch, they implemented flickrnet or not yet?04:10
stratustseng, lol he wrote the word f-spot and not the software04:10
tsengwell then04:10
ajmitchstratus: not that I know of04:10
tsengf-spot f-spot f-spot04:10
tsenggo me04:10
ajmitchstratus: might be worth integrating04:11
ajmitchstratus: why is saying f-spot cool?04:11
stratusbecause it reminded me about the flickrnet thing.04:11
stratusajmitch, i see someone rewriting the flickr support since it's ugly and only support old accounts04:12
ajmitchstratus: yes, it doesn't work with my flickr account04:12
ajmitchI had looked at it very briefly04:12
ajmitchbut someone else was working on it I think04:12
stratusajmitch, i've a new account too.04:12
stratusajmitch, i see04:12
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stratusbtw, i'm working on a new (unrelated) toy right now, it's under tests04:13
stratusi call that piupartme.04:13
stratuspiupartme goal is pass each universe package through piuparts04:13
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ajmitchok04:14
ajmitchthat can be done in a few lines of shell, I've already got such a script04:15
stratusajmitch, but you wrote a heavily hardcoded script, no?04:16
ajmitchsure, it's just something to run on my box at the moment04:17
stratusoh, i see04:17
stratusajmitch, piupartme has 54 lines of python code atm04:17
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stratusajmitch, with it you can do the same against ubuntu main, debian sid, whatever.04:17
ajmitchok04:17
ajmitchwhere will you publish it?04:17
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stratusajmitch, i'm testing it on my laptop right now (but i won't run against the entire universe)...04:19
ajmitchmy laptop is now my fastest box now, it seems04:20
stratusajmitch, after the tests i'll change the needed bits to run it inside debian but against ubuntu universe.04:20
stratusajmitch, i've some servers (p4 3g ht, 2gb ram) running debian but nothing so good running ubuntu.04:20
ajmitchstratus: I notice that it can give very detailed reports, including about other packages that are dependencies of the ones you are testing04:20
ajmitchnearly all of my packages had some cruft left behind due to deps04:21
stratusajmitch, sure i plan to do the update things too, but i'll need more cpu power04:21
sistpotybtw ajmitch: do you have anything for unmet deps yet?04:23
ajmitchsistpoty: no04:24
stratuspackages with unmet deps where? universe?04:24
ajmitchsistpoty: I've hardly started working on it, I had a brief post-UVF break04:24
ajmitchstratus: yes04:24
sistpotystratus: sure, usually lots of them04:24
ajmitchstratus: looking at using britney to get a report04:25
sistpotyajmitch: I guess I'll do a branch of the merge list-tool to have a similar list. I only need some input which packages are affected yet :)04:25
sistpoty(maybe I'll start with siretarts list)04:26
ajmitchsistpoty: ok, I planned something a bit more than a simple list04:26
sistpotyajmitch: what do you have in mind?04:26
ajmitchsistpoty: since it ends up being a set of interconnected packages04:26
ajmitchso you identify which one really needs fixed to give the most benefit04:26
ajmitchie, dependants & dependencies04:27
ajmitchhm, bzr diff is taking a lot of cpu04:27
sistpotyhm... but for workflow this basically means a list with packages to work on?04:27
ajmitchsistpoty: yes04:27
sistpotyajmitch: good... then this should be pretty trivial to branch from the merge-list. what packages are listed depends on the input then ;)04:28
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ajmitchhm04:38
ajmitchI wonder why my dapper base tarball is so very very large04:38
ajmitch1.7GB is just excessive04:39
minghuapackage cache?04:40
ajmitchyeah04:40
ajmitchthe base tarball has /var/cache/apt/archives04:40
ajmitchit shouldn't have all those04:40
ajmitchmost dating back to august or so04:41
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ajmitchah that's better, 63MB, not 1.7GB04:50
ajmitchpbuilder login --save-after-login is not safe when it hardlinks in all the apt cache04:50
minghuayeah, I was bitten by that once as well04:52
minghuaI think it only happen if you use the APTCACHE out of chroot04:53
minghuait either hardlink it, or bindmount it, I don't remember04:53
ajmitchyeah04:55
ajmitchboth are far faster than copying it in04:55
=== psusi can't believe he has been waiting 7 years now for the linux kernel to support O_DIRECT on sockets, and it still doesn't
sistpotywhat does O_DIRECT do?04:58
psusisistpoty, tells the kernel not to buffer the data... just directly transfer to/from the hardware04:58
psusisaves memory and cpu time since two copies of the data are't made... it's very nice04:59
sistpotybut how could this been done for sockets?04:59
psusisame way it's done for anything else... don't copy to kernel buffers.. instead have the hardware directly dma to/from the user buffers05:00
sistpotydunno about the internals, but don't you need to put some network protocol in there for sockets?05:01
psusiyou mean slap on some packet headers?  yea05:01
sistpotyexactly... at least for nic's which don't do this in hw... but I have no clue how networking inside the kernel works, though ;)05:02
psusithe nic has to support scatter/gather dma so the kenrel can program it to grab the packet headers from kernel space, and the body from the user buffers05:02
psusiI wrote an ftp server on NT back in 1998/99 using this technique.... it was able to push 11,820 KB/s over a single connection on a fast ethernet network...05:03
psusiplugged in a second nic and saturated them both... with less than 1% of the cpu on a PII-23305:04
ajmitchsistpoty: great, you got mythplugins uploaded :)05:07
sistpotyajmitch: yes, I really ruined mdz's packaging now *G*05:08
sistpoty(it's a bit horrible now, but I hope it works)05:08
ajmitchheh05:09
sistpotyeeks... I really should have run lintian... setting compat to 5 and forgetting to adjust debhelper b-d :(05:12
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ajmitchoops05:13
ajmitchnaughty05:13
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psusiso... anyone here ever udebified a package before?  I think I've managed to udebify dmraid, but I'd like someone to take a look at it on revu05:17
bmontyajmitch: on the openssl issue I asked you about yesterday, do I put the openssl acknowledgement in the copyright file?05:37
ajmitchif it's really in the source's copyright05:37
ajmitchmaybe something to clarify with the debian maintainer05:38
bmontyit is in the source's copyright, but checking with the maintainer probably isn't a bad idea05:38
=== Yagisan feels odd - my copyright file in /debian is more current then what is in the source, infact some of the source has no copyright notices
Amaranthdoes the source at least have a LICENSE file?05:44
Amaranthor have a note in every file saying the license?05:44
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YagisanAmaranth: it's from a package that was rejected because upstream has mixed licenses which no longer pass the dfsg tests, but can be distributed non-commercially05:49
AmaranthYagisan: multiverse, if it gets in at all05:49
Amaranthwhat is it?05:49
YagisanAmaranth: a doom source port05:50
Amaranthalso, the non-commercially thing would probably keep it out of multiverse too05:50
sistpotyhooray... mythplugins all built05:50
YagisanAmaranth: my 3rd party repo page http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/05:50
Amaranthah05:51
YagisanAmaranth: what is annoying is that one of the raven programmers later stated heretic/hexen are now public domain05:52
Amaranthnot good enough05:52
YagisanAmaranth: in a doomworld forum, but I can't find the post now :(, and there is no mention @ raven software :(05:53
Amarantheveryone who touched the code has to have something publicly verifiable05:53
sistpotyYagisan: just the engine or data as well?05:53
Yagisansistpoty: just the engine, actually only two source directorys - easy to delete if you don't want heretic or hexen05:54
Yagisansistpoty: you'd need to either buy the data, or use freedoom + a megawad to play05:54
sistpotywould have been so cool, if they made data available as well...05:55
Yagisansistpoty: I agree - but they still actually sell it !!!05:55
sistpotyheretic and hexen? wow... didn't know that05:56
sistpotyanyway, I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone05:57
minghuagood night sistpoty05:57
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Kyrallol06:17
KyralHURD!06:18
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=== Yagisan thinks that sounds perfect
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=== psusi wonders WTF a WWII submarine simulation game needs to compute fast fourier transforms for
persiapsusi: Realistic sonar?06:41
ajmitchpsusi: what game?06:42
psusidangers of the deep06:43
psusiI'm trying to package it06:43
ajmitchfun06:45
psusiany idea WTF debuild would say it is ignoring deletion of (every god damned file in the orig tarball)?06:45
psusiheh06:45
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zakamehello all06:57
minghuahi zakame06:58
zakameheya minghua :)06:58
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tepsipakkihello all08:24
tepsipakkiI made a new upload of gtkpod-aac yesterday08:24
tepsipakkito REVU of course08:24
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Mezajmitch: do you think it would be a good thing for me to go through a load of apps in ubuntu and re-make them so that they like - hae tighter depends (fix the whole libtool thing!)09:22
ajmitchsuch as?09:22
minghuahi Mez, I remember you asking the Qt immodule thing on debian-devel list09:22
minghuaMez: did you get any answer for that?  AFAIK debian's qt3 doesn't has the immodule patch applied09:23
Mezajmitch: well put it this way09:23
Mezminghua - nope - no answer - though we submitted a patch for it anyays09:23
minghuaMez: to qt-x11-free?  I think I want to subscribe to that bug09:24
lifelesstwelth from the top of NEW09:25
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Mezhttp://ubuntu.pastebin.com/51582309:25
Mezajmitch:09:25
Mezhttp://ubuntu.pastebin.com/51582309:25
Mezminghua, 34737709:26
minghuaMez: thanks09:27
ajmitchMez: and how much divergence from debian do you want to introduce now?09:28
Mezajmitch: I would only modify *ubuntu* packages09:29
Mezand would submit patch upstream and stuff09:29
Mez+ It's being asked for in debian :P09:29
Mezhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00016.html09:29
ajmitchok,, do it if you want :)09:31
Mezhmm09:32
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Mezminghua: lol09:32
Mezmine is (well will be)09:32
Mezand I only asked casue I've just updated yakuake to fix it (talking to the DD regarding it!)09:33
minghuaMez: I think I'll learn from you how to do it properly09:34
Mezminghua: It's really really easy09:34
Mezlol - well for KDE stuff anyways09:35
minghuaMez: I didn't fix my packages because I don't understand autotools at all, and since my upstream uses resonably recent autotools + libtool, and they compile on all arches, I didn't bother09:35
Mezminghua: thing is - does it use DEBIAN's libtool?09:35
minghuaMez: no09:35
Mezminghua: there comes the problem - the libtool stuff is in debian only09:36
Mezhave a read of that link above09:36
Mezit tells you a lot09:36
minghuaI only use the new config.{sub,guess}, but didn't relibtoolize it09:36
Mezminghua, http://people.debian.org/~keybuk/libtool-updating.html09:37
minghuaMez: thanks for the links, reading09:38
Mezminghua, no probs09:39
minghuaI read d-d-a, but didn't follow all the links in that mail09:39
Mezwhen ever someone mentions d-d-a I always think ddr09:40
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phanatichi people10:54
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spiritzhi10:55
Gloubiboulgahello phanatic10:55
phanatichi Gloubiboulga10:55
phanatici fixed the package10:55
phanaticuploaded to revu yesterday10:55
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Gloubiboulgaphanatic, cool10:56
phanaticGloubiboulga: if you have a little time, could you have a look at it pls?10:56
minghuarelibtoolizing fixed that, though10:57
Gloubiboulgaphanatic, I'm looking at it... but I am not a MOTU10:58
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nlindbladhello masters11:29
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Fuddl... eeeehm..... would somebody like to take a look at the quake3 package i uploaded to revu.tauware.de? *smiiiiiiiile*12:25
siretartlink?12:27
siretarthttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=157012:27
phanatici also uploaded a new version of gnome-rdp, if any of the masters have time for it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=157612:30
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siretartphlaegel: advocated12:41
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teprrrFuddl, hmm. why there is those quke3-server*.preinst, prerm, postinst, postrm and shlibs if they're empty?12:46
teprrrand there quake3_*.preinst, prerm and shlibs which seem to be empty too12:47
teprrrI don't know the policy, just thinking :)12:47
siretartteprrr: they are not available in the package12:47
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teprrrhmm12:48
siretartteprrr: it is just the script, which creates them. if they have size 0, then the package does not have them12:48
Fuddlteprrr: yepp, no pre* or post* stuff is in the source package12:49
teprrroh, okay.. the package of mine doesn't have those though: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=156812:49
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ajmitchmorning \sh01:23
\shmoins01:24
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siretarthi ajmitch, hi \sh01:27
ajmitchhello siretart01:28
\shmoins siretart01:28
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\shoergs mail time :)01:36
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ajmitchnight all01:48
tsengbye ajmitch01:48
jpatrickajmitch: night01:48
siretartgn8 ajmitch01:48
\shajmitch: sleep well :)01:49
marcin`hello MOTU02:01
marcin`got a question02:01
Yagisannight ajmitch02:01
marcin`what you guys do when you want to change name of package?02:01
Yagisanmarcin`: first - why do you want to change the name of a package ?02:01
tsenga source package or a binary?02:01
marcin`how you count releases? what about changelog?02:02
marcin`Yagisan: hmm for example to use different name convention02:03
marcin`tseng: both02:03
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Yagisanmarcin`: is this package from debian ?02:05
marcin`Yagisan: kind of...02:05
marcin`Yagisan: there are packages that are available in debian and some new packages02:06
Yagisanmarcin`: wishlist bug + very good reason @ debian bts02:06
Yagisanmarcin`: new packages - not in ubuntu already ?02:06
marcin`I'm just going to upload a bunch of packages to REVU...02:06
marcin`Yagisan: yes not in ubuntu and not in debian02:06
marcin`Yagisan: but related to some infrastructure that is already available in debian and ubuntu02:07
Yagisanmarcin`: the new packages - different source to the debian packages ?02:07
marcin`Yagisan: it's about Emacs02:07
marcin`Yagisan: I would like to package some *.el files and tools for Emacs02:08
marcin`Yagisan: but also repackage some existing debs02:08
Yagisanmarcin`: name the new packages consistently with existing package names if possible02:08
marcin`Yagisan: and that the problem02:08
Yagisanmarcin`: why repackage ?02:08
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marcin`Yagisan: because in fact I don't see any naming convention for emacs packages02:08
marcin`Yagisan: it's just chaos and mess02:09
marcin`Yagisan: this is why I would like to change names of some existing packages02:09
Yagisanmarcin`: repackaging that sounds like unnecessarily divergence from upstream02:09
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minghuanever read it though02:09
Yagisanmarcin`: wishlist bug + very good reason @ debian bts + patch may help02:09
marcin`minghua: there is emacs policy - but it's related to how emacs packages install and uninstall libraries02:10
marcin`minghua: and about emacsen-common scrpits02:10
minghuamarcin`: okay.  I am really not familar with that part at all02:10
marcin`Yagisan: why repackage: 1. because I want to use cdbs in rules02:10
marcin`Yagisan: 2. because there is a lot of things in emacs packages that just don't work at all02:11
Yagisanmarcin`: so what - upstream will eat you for eat - it becomes your baby for life02:11
Yagisans/for eat/for that02:11
Yagisanmarcin`: fixing is good, changing upstreams build system without discussing it with them is bad02:11
Yagisanmarcin`: they have already complained about it02:12
marcin`Yagisan: 3. bacause there is a big mess in emacs packages especially in names02:12
marcin`Yagisan: for example you got pretty simple naming convention for libs*, python2.*-*, perl*-* etc....02:12
marcin`Yagisan: but emacs is just mess02:13
marcin`Yagisan: anyway - this is why I want to upload this to REVU - to start discussion - right?02:13
Yagisanmarcin`: no doubt, but because we are taking this from debian, it is much much much easier for us, if we can get debian to do the renaming02:13
Yagisanmarcin`: are you on the ubuntu-motu mailing list ?02:13
Yagisanmarcin`: an email there will get you responses from real MOTU's not an apprentice like me02:14
Yagisanmarcin`: but as I said, name your new packages as you like02:15
marcin`Yagisan: ok, I'll do02:15
marcin`Yagisan: but my question was - what you do when you want to change name02:15
marcin`Yagisan: what you do with changelog02:15
Yagisanmarcin`: yes, I know - but the why is important02:15
Yagisanmarcin`: I only know how to change binary names02:16
marcin`Yagisan: and what you do with release numbers...02:16
Yagisanmarcin`: I kept the changelog intact02:16
Yagisanmarcin`: new binary name = new number02:16
Yagisanmarcin`: I changed the name of the binary in control02:16
Yagisanmarcin`: and added a Replaces: Oldname02:17
Yagisanmarcin`: line to the control file02:17
Yagisanmarcin`: someone like tseng most likely knows if I forgot something, and how to do it for a source package02:18
marcin`Yagisan: so, for example: we got erc-5.0.2-5 and I would like to change it's name to emacs-erc-5.0.202:18
marcin`Yagisan: then release number counts from 1 right?02:18
marcin`Yagisan: emacs-erc-5.0.2-1 right?02:18
Yagisanmarcin`: I think you could do that02:19
marcin`Yagisan: and you just continue changelog but with new entries starting with new name?02:20
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phanatichi people02:20
marcin`Yagisan: anyway sorry I have to leave now... thanks02:21
Yagisanmarcin`: in my case the source package didn't change, so I did nothing to the changelog02:21
Yagisanmarcin`: no worries - hope I was helpful02:21
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zakamehi MOTUs :)02:55
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YagisanG'day zakame03:08
zakameheya Yagisan :)03:08
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Yagisanzakame: adopting a few debian packages ? Seems every time I check I see you looking for sponsers03:11
zakameYagisan: no actually I was just updating packages adopted from Clint03:11
zakameYagisan: it was only now that Clint (or someone else iirc) filed O bugs, which I promptly ITA'd03:12
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phanaticif any of the MOTUs have some time, please have a look at this upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=157703:26
phanaticthanks in advance03:26
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HieronymusSomeone who can post comments on REVU, please copy my mailinglist comment for quake3-data of 18 january to REVU03:36
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zakamewb rbelem , raphink :)03:38
rbelemmorning zakame, raphink03:39
rbelemmorning all ;-)03:39
siretartHieronymus: you could talk directly to Fuddl :)03:41
siretartHieronymus: I don't know if OpenArena works with q3 yet03:41
Hieronymussiretart: it does03:41
HieronymusI'm running it03:41
Hieronymusbut I needed to bypass his data file checks03:42
siretartoh03:42
siretartHieronymus: IIRC the idea of the package was that there could be other packages, which replace/enhance it03:43
siretartHieronymus: so you would 'just' need to package OpenArena as well03:43
Hieronymussiretart: yeah03:43
Hieronymusit's in the README.Debian03:43
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YagisanHieronymus: you have free data for quake3 ??03:46
HieronymusYagisan: http://planetgargoyle.com/openarena03:47
HieronymusYagisan: it has 2-3 levels, 1-2 characters and ~6 weapons03:47
Hieronymusbut it's playable03:48
Hieronymusno bots03:48
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HieronymusYagisan: I'm not going to package it03:49
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Hieronymusit's too pre-alpha for that, and the copyright/license information isn't clearly stated03:50
siretartHieronymus: so what do you actually ask fuddl?03:50
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Hieronymussiretart: shall I just write it down more clearly?03:51
YagisanHieronymus: I see - I've been beating my upstreams with cluebats for their data files - didn't help that someone copied it and was selling it on ebay though :(03:51
HieronymusI don't have a quake III CD, but I should be able to use the package anyway, without modifying his quake3 script03:52
HieronymusYagisan: what do you mean?03:52
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HieronymusWhat do I do when my debian/watch file doesn't work, and I don't know why?03:53
YagisanHieronymus: literally someone copied their data, stripped the copyright notices, packaged Id software iwads, and a windows port of the engine, and was selling it on ebay as Doom 303:54
Hieronymussue!03:55
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YagisanHieronymus: if they catch the guy, I'm sure they will. But they have been more restrictive with the data since then.03:56
Fuddlperhaps i should write a note to the quake3 control file it will pull quake3-data which will need the cd03:59
Fuddloh yes, i should do that, the quake2 package also does it04:00
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FuddlHieronymus: installing the demo-data doesn't work 100%, a lot of textures get scrambled, sounds are missing, and, and, and - that's why i didn't give the option to install the data files from the demo in the postinst script of quake3-data04:02
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HieronymusFuddl: I don't want to install the demo data04:04
Hieronymusbut it should be very easy to make an openarena package once that gets past pre-alpha stage04:05
Hieronymusand right now quake3 won't run even if I put a pak0.pk3 in the baseq3 folder04:05
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KyralMorning04:13
phanatichi Kyral04:13
YagisanKyral: damm, your right it is morning04:14
thierry_JohnyMast : you told me yesterday to ping you about my package04:14
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Kyralraphink, no offense, but you are picky...04:17
raphinkKyral: what do you mean?04:18
Kyralyour last comment on GTKEdit reminded me of the "No newline at end of file" warnings in Lintian ;P04:19
raphinkKyral: look at all the debian/control you can find ;)04:19
raphinkKyral: it's just a very small detail I know ;)04:19
KyralOh well, at least you like it...04:20
raphinkI almost advocated it04:20
Kyralthe Debian Devs flat out don't04:20
ajmitchthat04:20
raphinkthey don't like the package?04:20
Kyralyah04:20
ajmitchthere's been talk of even removing gtk+ 1.2 stuff in the future04:20
Kyralmostly along the lines of "Ick its GTK 1"04:20
ajmitchat least gnome 1.x04:20
KyralWell, if you read the webpage, you will see the reason why its GTK 104:21
ajmitchI know04:21
Kyralraphink: reuploaded04:25
Kyralwhenever the next REVU cycle is, it will show up04:25
Kyralyour vote will make two votes, so feel free for upload (you are MOTU now aren't you?)04:26
ajmitchraphink: I see you're requiring a Homepage entry in debian/control, why is that?04:27
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Yagisannight ajmitch (again)04:32
ajmitch:)04:32
HieronymusCan anyone tell me why uscan doesn't like my debian/watch (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7454) with uscan output (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7453)?04:32
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teprrrhmm, how should I proceed after accidentally uploading a package without original source? after I fixed the problem dput doesn't want to upload the package..04:49
teprrrshould I bump the version or..?04:49
Mithrandirrm the $pkg_$version.upload file04:50
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teprrrMithrandir, ah. thanks.04:53
raphinkajmitch: yeah it's surely not policy, but it's a very common habbit, that it's nice04:54
raphinkajmitch: but I reckon it shouldn't be a requirement04:54
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phanaticraphink: could you have a look at this one: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1576 ?05:00
teprrrhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1578 -- umh, I still can't see the .orig.tar.gz there..05:02
teprrrbut at least dput said it's uploaded there.. and the page shows that there's been a change05:02
phanaticteprrr: there's a .tar.gz05:03
phanaticincluding the debian dir05:03
teprrrphanatic, yes. but it isn't the orig one.05:04
Gloubiboulgais there a lib specialist around? it's about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=153605:04
phanaticteprrr: check the package building process05:04
GloubiboulgaI'd like to avoid a fight between sistpoty and hub ;)05:04
teprrrphanatic, hmm?05:05
phanaticteprrr: your package seems to be built as a native package05:06
teprrrphanatic, you mean without the orig. source? yup, that happened accidentally and I've fixed it locally05:07
teprrrwas -<version>.orig instead of _<version>.orig and it failed :/05:08
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thierry_JohnyMast : ping05:10
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teprrrok, solved, thanks to phanatic :)05:13
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raphinkphanatic: I'm hesitating to upload gnome-rdp05:26
raphinkphanatic: it's very good technically, nothing to say05:26
raphinknow the point where I struggle is a licensing one05:26
\shgrmpf...need to update 5 gentoo servers05:26
raphinksince the upstream didn't put any reference to a license in any of their source files05:27
\shraphink: raise the issue to ubuntu-devel, so elmo can have a look (cc to james)05:27
raphinknot even a reference to COPYING05:27
raphinkok05:27
raphink\sh: well i'd say phanatic could ping upstream to get them add the 3 paragraphs for GPL in each source file05:28
raphinkand that would do05:28
phanaticraphink: should i ask upstream about licensing?05:28
phanaticok :)05:28
raphinkphanatic: yes I think so05:28
\shor put the whole gpl license into the source05:28
phanatici'll write an email now05:28
raphink\sh: the whole GPL is present in COPYING05:28
raphinkthis is not the issue05:29
raphinkDebian policy states that each source file should either clearly state the license it falls under05:29
raphinkor link to COPYING05:29
raphinkwhich is not the case05:29
raphinkI don't consider `// project created on 09/20/2005 at 20:33` a proper licensing header ;)05:30
siretartphanatic: tell your upstream to read the gpl05:30
siretartphanatic: espc. the 'how to apply the gpl' part05:30
raphinkyep05:31
raphinkhttp://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html#SEC405:31
raphink:)05:31
phanaticokay :)05:32
thierry_siretart : could you review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1572 JohnyMast said yesterday he would find someone to do it this morning but he doesn't respond since 3 hours...05:33
thierry_JohnyMast also said it looked good :)05:33
phanaticraphink: i mailed upstream. if everything will be okay, he'll release a new version tomorrow (containing the Makefile patch too)05:35
phanaticand thanks for the review05:35
raphinkphanatic: great, I'll be happy to upload it if there's not too many changes05:35
phanatici have another package uploaded as well, and i don't fully agree with zakame about his complaints: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=157905:42
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Mithrandiris Danilo Piazzalunga a MOTU?05:51
\shnot that I know of05:52
\shwhat's his nick?05:52
MithrandirI don't know, that's why I'm asking.05:52
\shto be honest, I don't know the realname..05:53
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hubGloubiboulga: there won't be any fight06:05
hubGloubiboulga: he has seniority06:05
Gloubiboulgahub, I was just kidding :)06:05
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thierry_JohnyMast : ping07:04
thierry_JohnnyMast : ping07:04
JohnnyMastthierry_ pong07:07
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thierry_JohnnyMast : you said yesterday you would find someone to review my package...07:27
JohnnyMastaah right hold on07:27
JohnnyMastslomo_, are you here ?07:28
thierry_siretart : could you review my package?07:36
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mxpxpodis anyone having problems with spamassassin?08:41
crimsunmxpxpod: did you ping benc (or file a bug in malone) about your ppc sound issue(s)?08:46
mxpxpodcrimsun: not yet.. I haven't gotten to it ;)08:46
crimsunmxpxpod: ok08:47
mxpxpodcrimsun: I think it has something to do with the suspend bug in malone08:47
mxpxpodhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/2926808:48
crimsunmxpxpod: k, ppc isn't my arena, just trying to keep abreast of the sound bugs08:48
UbugtuMalone bug 29268: "linux-image-2.6.15-13-powerpc breaks sleep on ibook g4" Fix req. for: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed08:48
mxpxpodcrimsun: I still have to get a launchpad.net account ;)08:48
mxpxpodoh, wait08:49
mxpxpodlooks like I have one...08:49
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tsenganyone have a problem with gnome-power-manager09:15
mxpxpodtseng: yup09:15
crimsuntseng: ogra mentioned not having merged the new version yet09:15
tsengmxpxpod: child exits?09:15
crimsunsaid it was blocked on a glib issue09:15
mxpxpodtseng: keeps telling me that hal doesn't have powermanagement enabled09:16
tsengmxpxpod: nope.09:16
teprrrhmm, can I somehow get a package into universe when the author of the app has made the package? looks like for debian though09:16
mxpxpodtseng: strange... that's what it's telling me :(09:16
tsengmine just exits with no output09:16
mxpxpodtseng: do a gnome-power-manager --no-daemon09:16
crimsunmxpxpod: that's the issue that mjg59 asked about yesterday (to which ogra referred)09:16
mxpxpodcrimsun: ah, ok09:17
teprrrand how long it usually takes that someone will review the package on revu?09:17
mxpxpodtseng: are you having a problem with spamassassin?09:18
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phanatichi people09:24
phanaticraphink: the package is under way09:24
teprrrhello09:25
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Kyraluo LJ09:36
ajmitchcrimsun: you're doing some work on alsa upstream at the moment?09:37
phanaticraphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1583 (licensing info added + patch applied by upstream)09:38
crimsunajmitch: in a bit, yes (your issue is noted)09:38
ajmitchcrimsun: oh I know someone is assigned to the issue I care about :)09:38
LaserJockHi Kyral09:38
stratusroot@trinity:/var/log/piupartme# cat 1-21-2006/kerneltop/piupartme-kerneltop.log09:41
stratuspiupartme: package [kerneltop]  - version [unknown]  - build attempt at: 1-21-200609:41
stratuspiupartme: package [kerneltop]  - version [unknown]  - maybe-successful09:41
stratusnice!09:41
stratusajmitch, my little toy is just a step (or two) since its first run through each universe package09:42
stratusajmitch, it lacks some speed optimizations and a small db containing a hash with the last package and the version tested (to avoid run the same tests over a package two times)09:43
stratuseverything else looks good and is customizable09:44
\shgrrr..mysql upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1 on gentoo is a pain09:54
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teprrrcan anyone help me?10:23
teprrrwith those things I mentioned earlier :)10:23
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\shwhy, in gods almighty name, has cacti a dependency on lighttpd on gentoo?10:25
\shnow I have to bloddy webservers10:25
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HieronymusCan debian/watch handle XML?10:58
HieronymusIt's not working right with http://taschenorakel.de/svn/repos/bulldozer/releases/10:59
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VelvetElvisis this where I go to ask about an afterstep 2.2.0 package for dapper?  It's in sid11:20
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ajmitchyes, we'll need to have good reasons to get a new version in though11:21
ajmitchupstream version freeze was a few days ago :)11:21
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VelvetElvisit's a new major version that you didn't get to before?11:21
VelvetElvisit's been in sid for weeks11:22
ajmitchweeks?11:22
ajmitchno, it was uploaded only a week ago11:22
VelvetElvisok, my bad11:22
VelvetElvisanyway, any chance of that happening or should I break down and try and build my own?11:23
ajmitchupstream version freeze means we don't put in new major versions without reasons11:23
ajmitchsure, there's a chance11:23
HieronymusVelvetElvis: if you think there's a good reason to include the new version, write a UVF exception report11:24
ajmitchthe way of doing those reports has to be documented properly11:24
VelvetElvisright. ok to post changelog?  support for fullscreen is the main reason i'm wanting it11:27
VelvetElvisHieronymus: where/how do I do that?11:27
VelvetElviser, url to changelong?11:27
HieronymusVelvetElvis: look in the archives of devel11:28
VelvetElvisok, thanks11:28
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