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lamont__ | anyone complain if I fix lablgtk by syncing lablgl? (which would have synced 2 weeks ago if I hadn't uploaded it in december... | 12:43 |
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crimsun | of course not | 01:23 |
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Kyral | cool | 01:24 |
Kyral | its only in a VM Image anyway | 01:24 |
LaserJock | Kyral: what are you going to try | 01:24 |
Kyral | EVERYTHIGN! | 01:25 |
Kyral | SuSE, Fedora, Debian, VLOS, the BSDs | 01:25 |
Kyral | HURD | 01:25 |
LaserJock | I see | 01:25 |
Kyral | Heheh | 01:26 |
Kyral | I want to know the strengths and weaknesses of every major distro | 01:26 |
LaserJock | you haven't done that before? | 01:27 |
Kyral | nope | 01:27 |
Kyral | I mean I know Gentoo and Slack | 01:27 |
Kyral | and of course Ubuntu | 01:27 |
phanatic | you have a lot of time, man :) | 01:28 |
LaserJock | I've never done Slack, but I did Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo, little bit of Debian, and Vector | 01:28 |
Kyral | its more like I have a lot of diskspace ;p | 01:28 |
ompaul | Kyral, how many distros do you think are major? | 01:29 |
Kyral | I started on Slack | 01:29 |
Kyral | ompaul: dunno | 01:29 |
Kyral | maybe the Top20 on DW? | 01:29 |
LaserJock | I'd go top 15 maybe | 01:29 |
ompaul | Kyral, supposing one you like is not there maybe DSL ( now I don't know what number that is) | 01:29 |
Kyral | DSL I know | 01:29 |
Kyral | hehe | 01:29 |
Kyral | When I saw GTKEdit for the first time, the first thing I thought was "Damn Small Linux!" | 01:30 |
ompaul | Kyral, knowing a good bit about the main packaging systems would be better for you imho | 01:30 |
Kyral | yah | 01:30 |
Kyral | RPM, Portage, Slackpack | 01:30 |
Kyral | I already know about Debpack :P | 01:31 |
LaserJock | I like Portage quite a bit | 01:32 |
Kyral | I used to be a Portage Junkie | 01:33 |
Kyral | I heard VLOS is good | 01:33 |
Kyral | Gentoo for people who don't wanna wait ;P | 01:33 |
LaserJock | Portage is why I'm using Ubuntu ;-) | 01:33 |
Kyral | lol | 01:33 |
Kyral | I heard its written in Python | 01:33 |
LaserJock | yeah, I think so | 01:33 |
Kyral | I also find it amusing that there is a gentoo package ;P | 01:34 |
LaserJock | the file manager? | 01:34 |
Kyral | yah | 01:34 |
Kyral | hmm | 01:36 |
Kyral | SuSE has a nice installer and a massive package selection on install, BUT its over 5 CDs... | 01:36 |
LaserJock | yah, DVDs help | 01:37 |
Kyral | yah.. | 01:38 |
Kyral | but not everyone has a DVD Burner | 01:38 |
LaserJock | that is one thing I like about Ubuntu, 1 CD | 01:38 |
Kyral | yah | 01:38 |
LaserJock | but if you have .isos and use vmware-player... | 01:40 |
Kyral | I meant for normal people ;P | 01:40 |
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lifeless | is anyone interested in packaging kiax | 02:03 |
lifeless | ? | 02:03 |
Kyral | linky? | 02:03 |
lifeless | kiaz.sf.net | 02:03 |
lifeless | erm | 02:03 |
lifeless | kiax.sf.net | 02:03 |
lifeless | linux softphone, talks IAX | 02:03 |
Kyral | I'll look in a sec | 02:03 |
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Kyral | SuSE is installing in a VM, and my computer is a little slow... | 02:04 |
Kyral | right now ;P | 02:04 |
lifeless | and as we're bring up asterix very soon, having that would rock | 02:04 |
Kyral | ? | 02:04 |
lifeless | for canonical/ubuntu - we're doing an asterix conference server | 02:05 |
Kyral | oh | 02:05 |
Kyral | wazzat? | 02:05 |
lifeless | asterix - apt-cache should tell ya :) | 02:05 |
azeem | lifeless: it's asterisk | 02:05 |
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lifeless | azeem: lol, right | 02:07 |
Burgundavia | lifeless, this going to be accessible to non-canonical employees? | 02:08 |
lifeless | Burgundavia: yes | 02:08 |
Burgundavia | can ekiga/gnomemeeting do IAX? | 02:08 |
lifeless | AFIAK no | 02:09 |
lifeless | we'll have sip as well | 02:09 |
lifeless | but IAX is nicer | 02:09 |
Burgundavia | yep | 02:09 |
tseng | opal has iax support | 02:10 |
tseng | but i have to disable to build atm | 02:10 |
Kyral | Okay | 02:11 |
Kyral | we need to beat SuSE's installer | 02:11 |
Kyral | and I think I know how to | 02:11 |
Burgundavia | Kyral, what does it do better? | 02:11 |
Kyral | Let them play Tetris or Space Invaders while the install is going :D | 02:11 |
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tseng | Kyral: erm | 02:12 |
Burgundavia | Kyral, espresso will let people play or surf, etc. | 02:12 |
tseng | Kyral: UbuntuExpress, play any game you want | 02:12 |
Kyral | oh | 02:12 |
tseng | its a livecd installer | 02:12 |
Kyral | *sheepish look* | 02:12 |
Burgundavia | lifeless, ick kiax is qt/kde | 02:13 |
Kyral | yah and I gotta write the guide on it for the DocTeam :D | 02:14 |
Burgundavia | Kyral, the UI had better land soon. I understand that the dev sprint is likely to finish the major bits of it | 02:14 |
Kyral | I knwo I knwo lol | 02:14 |
Kyral | Prolly by Flight 4 | 02:16 |
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Kyral | I am interested in seeing what they come up with | 02:16 |
Kyral | like what it looks like | 02:16 |
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shreddr | must go TODAY. MESSAGE ME ONLY ON MSN AT MCSLTD2@HOTMAIL.COM, AIM AT OGD443 or YAHOO at MCSLTD2 IF INTERESTED! 1 alienware desktop computer price $550, one alienware area51-m 5700 notebook price $550. prices include sameday shipping, case, wireless router. | 02:56 |
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tseng | erg | 03:00 |
tseng | better. | 03:00 |
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tseng | irssi is too smart for my own good | 03:01 |
minghua | well done tseng :-) | 03:04 |
tseng | wasnt me | 03:04 |
tseng | freenode ircop | 03:04 |
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minghua | oh I see | 03:04 |
Kyral | I am beginning to like SuSE lol | 03:08 |
Kyral | enough to Dual Boot it | 03:08 |
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ajmitch | afternoon | 03:17 |
SEJeff | Kyral, Are you serious? I have to fix the suse desktops of other admins at work with it's broken gnome implementation | 03:22 |
Kyral | lol | 03:23 |
Kyral | Its fun... | 03:23 |
Kyral | I mean the Server thing | 03:23 |
SEJeff | ACPI in SUSE is also crap compared to ubuntu | 03:23 |
Kyral | and Xen :D | 03:23 |
SEJeff | SLES and SUSE are different... SLES (What we run at work) is pretty sweet | 03:24 |
SEJeff | I agree with you about xen | 03:24 |
SEJeff | And Apparmor | 03:24 |
Kyral | Xen Xen Xen... | 03:24 |
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sistpoty | hi folks | 03:29 |
ajmitch | hi sistpoty | 03:32 |
sistpoty | hi ajmitch | 03:32 |
ajmitch | typical, just after I do a bunch of zope merges/syncs, more are uploaded to debian ;) | 03:32 |
ajmitch | not new upstreams though, so I might ask for syncs | 03:32 |
sistpoty | hehe | 03:33 |
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poningru | r | 03:38 |
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phlaegel | apparently mythtv .19 is coming out very soon (ie. about a week). any chance it'll get in to dapper? | 03:52 |
ajmitch | it would require a freeze exception | 03:54 |
ajmitch | got good reasons for it to go in? | 03:54 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: is mythtv still maintained ? IIRC it was mdz's but not anymore | 03:55 |
ajmitch | I don't know who cares for it now - I think some of the MOTUs do | 03:56 |
ajmitch | I don't have the hardware, otherwise I'd use it | 03:56 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: I have the hardware - but no tv reception, so I can't use it :( | 03:57 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: I miss Iron Chef on SBS | 03:57 |
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Yagisan | ajmitch: much better quality then you can get from, well you know where | 03:58 |
ajmitch | I get poor tv reception here, and few chanels | 03:58 |
ajmitch | s/chanels/channels/ | 03:58 |
sistpoty | Yagisan: iirc crimsun is working on mythtv | 03:59 |
Yagisan | thanks sistpoty | 03:59 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: All I want is Iron Chef for me, and Play School for Kate and Eric | 04:00 |
Yagisan | ajmitch: and I can't even get that :( | 04:00 |
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phlaegel | ajmitch: I don't know the specifics, but I know they've done a lot of work on it... some new features, reworked livetv, etc... without it, I'd have to resort to building from source myself ;-) | 04:06 |
ajmitch | we hit upstream version freeze last week, so all exceptions need to have reasons :) | 04:07 |
phlaegel | I've only been using mythtv for the last couple of versions, but the releases seem to be pretty solid | 04:07 |
tseng | like | 04:08 |
tseng | beagle 0.2.0 | 04:08 |
phlaegel | ajmitch: yeah, I know | 04:08 |
tseng | my reson? | 04:08 |
tseng | it builds | 04:08 |
ajmitch | f-spot 0.1.8 (when it's there) - because it fixes a few of the debian bugs | 04:08 |
stratus | ajmitch, cool that you wrote f-spot | 04:09 |
tseng | he did? | 04:10 |
tseng | that is cool | 04:10 |
stratus | ajmitch, they implemented flickrnet or not yet? | 04:10 |
stratus | tseng, lol he wrote the word f-spot and not the software | 04:10 |
tseng | well then | 04:10 |
ajmitch | stratus: not that I know of | 04:10 |
tseng | f-spot f-spot f-spot | 04:10 |
tseng | go me | 04:10 |
ajmitch | stratus: might be worth integrating | 04:11 |
ajmitch | stratus: why is saying f-spot cool? | 04:11 |
stratus | because it reminded me about the flickrnet thing. | 04:11 |
stratus | ajmitch, i see someone rewriting the flickr support since it's ugly and only support old accounts | 04:12 |
ajmitch | stratus: yes, it doesn't work with my flickr account | 04:12 |
ajmitch | I had looked at it very briefly | 04:12 |
ajmitch | but someone else was working on it I think | 04:12 |
stratus | ajmitch, i've a new account too. | 04:12 |
stratus | ajmitch, i see | 04:12 |
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stratus | btw, i'm working on a new (unrelated) toy right now, it's under tests | 04:13 |
stratus | i call that piupartme. | 04:13 |
stratus | piupartme goal is pass each universe package through piuparts | 04:13 |
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ajmitch | ok | 04:14 |
ajmitch | that can be done in a few lines of shell, I've already got such a script | 04:15 |
stratus | ajmitch, but you wrote a heavily hardcoded script, no? | 04:16 |
ajmitch | sure, it's just something to run on my box at the moment | 04:17 |
stratus | oh, i see | 04:17 |
stratus | ajmitch, piupartme has 54 lines of python code atm | 04:17 |
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stratus | ajmitch, with it you can do the same against ubuntu main, debian sid, whatever. | 04:17 |
ajmitch | ok | 04:17 |
ajmitch | where will you publish it? | 04:17 |
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stratus | ajmitch, i'm testing it on my laptop right now (but i won't run against the entire universe)... | 04:19 |
ajmitch | my laptop is now my fastest box now, it seems | 04:20 |
stratus | ajmitch, after the tests i'll change the needed bits to run it inside debian but against ubuntu universe. | 04:20 |
stratus | ajmitch, i've some servers (p4 3g ht, 2gb ram) running debian but nothing so good running ubuntu. | 04:20 |
ajmitch | stratus: I notice that it can give very detailed reports, including about other packages that are dependencies of the ones you are testing | 04:20 |
ajmitch | nearly all of my packages had some cruft left behind due to deps | 04:21 |
stratus | ajmitch, sure i plan to do the update things too, but i'll need more cpu power | 04:21 |
sistpoty | btw ajmitch: do you have anything for unmet deps yet? | 04:23 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: no | 04:24 |
stratus | packages with unmet deps where? universe? | 04:24 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: I've hardly started working on it, I had a brief post-UVF break | 04:24 |
ajmitch | stratus: yes | 04:24 |
sistpoty | stratus: sure, usually lots of them | 04:24 |
ajmitch | stratus: looking at using britney to get a report | 04:25 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: I guess I'll do a branch of the merge list-tool to have a similar list. I only need some input which packages are affected yet :) | 04:25 |
sistpoty | (maybe I'll start with siretarts list) | 04:26 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: ok, I planned something a bit more than a simple list | 04:26 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: what do you have in mind? | 04:26 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: since it ends up being a set of interconnected packages | 04:26 |
ajmitch | so you identify which one really needs fixed to give the most benefit | 04:26 |
ajmitch | ie, dependants & dependencies | 04:27 |
ajmitch | hm, bzr diff is taking a lot of cpu | 04:27 |
sistpoty | hm... but for workflow this basically means a list with packages to work on? | 04:27 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: yes | 04:27 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: good... then this should be pretty trivial to branch from the merge-list. what packages are listed depends on the input then ;) | 04:28 |
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ajmitch | hm | 04:38 |
ajmitch | I wonder why my dapper base tarball is so very very large | 04:38 |
ajmitch | 1.7GB is just excessive | 04:39 |
minghua | package cache? | 04:40 |
ajmitch | yeah | 04:40 |
ajmitch | the base tarball has /var/cache/apt/archives | 04:40 |
ajmitch | it shouldn't have all those | 04:40 |
ajmitch | most dating back to august or so | 04:41 |
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ajmitch | ah that's better, 63MB, not 1.7GB | 04:50 |
ajmitch | pbuilder login --save-after-login is not safe when it hardlinks in all the apt cache | 04:50 |
minghua | yeah, I was bitten by that once as well | 04:52 |
minghua | I think it only happen if you use the APTCACHE out of chroot | 04:53 |
minghua | it either hardlink it, or bindmount it, I don't remember | 04:53 |
ajmitch | yeah | 04:55 |
ajmitch | both are far faster than copying it in | 04:55 |
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sistpoty | what does O_DIRECT do? | 04:58 |
psusi | sistpoty, tells the kernel not to buffer the data... just directly transfer to/from the hardware | 04:58 |
psusi | saves memory and cpu time since two copies of the data are't made... it's very nice | 04:59 |
sistpoty | but how could this been done for sockets? | 04:59 |
psusi | same way it's done for anything else... don't copy to kernel buffers.. instead have the hardware directly dma to/from the user buffers | 05:00 |
sistpoty | dunno about the internals, but don't you need to put some network protocol in there for sockets? | 05:01 |
psusi | you mean slap on some packet headers? yea | 05:01 |
sistpoty | exactly... at least for nic's which don't do this in hw... but I have no clue how networking inside the kernel works, though ;) | 05:02 |
psusi | the nic has to support scatter/gather dma so the kenrel can program it to grab the packet headers from kernel space, and the body from the user buffers | 05:02 |
psusi | I wrote an ftp server on NT back in 1998/99 using this technique.... it was able to push 11,820 KB/s over a single connection on a fast ethernet network... | 05:03 |
psusi | plugged in a second nic and saturated them both... with less than 1% of the cpu on a PII-233 | 05:04 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: great, you got mythplugins uploaded :) | 05:07 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: yes, I really ruined mdz's packaging now *G* | 05:08 |
sistpoty | (it's a bit horrible now, but I hope it works) | 05:08 |
ajmitch | heh | 05:09 |
sistpoty | eeks... I really should have run lintian... setting compat to 5 and forgetting to adjust debhelper b-d :( | 05:12 |
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ajmitch | oops | 05:13 |
ajmitch | naughty | 05:13 |
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psusi | so... anyone here ever udebified a package before? I think I've managed to udebify dmraid, but I'd like someone to take a look at it on revu | 05:17 |
bmonty | ajmitch: on the openssl issue I asked you about yesterday, do I put the openssl acknowledgement in the copyright file? | 05:37 |
ajmitch | if it's really in the source's copyright | 05:37 |
ajmitch | maybe something to clarify with the debian maintainer | 05:38 |
bmonty | it is in the source's copyright, but checking with the maintainer probably isn't a bad idea | 05:38 |
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Amaranth | does the source at least have a LICENSE file? | 05:44 |
Amaranth | or have a note in every file saying the license? | 05:44 |
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Yagisan | Amaranth: it's from a package that was rejected because upstream has mixed licenses which no longer pass the dfsg tests, but can be distributed non-commercially | 05:49 |
Amaranth | Yagisan: multiverse, if it gets in at all | 05:49 |
Amaranth | what is it? | 05:49 |
Yagisan | Amaranth: a doom source port | 05:50 |
Amaranth | also, the non-commercially thing would probably keep it out of multiverse too | 05:50 |
sistpoty | hooray... mythplugins all built | 05:50 |
Yagisan | Amaranth: my 3rd party repo page http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/ | 05:50 |
Amaranth | ah | 05:51 |
Yagisan | Amaranth: what is annoying is that one of the raven programmers later stated heretic/hexen are now public domain | 05:52 |
Amaranth | not good enough | 05:52 |
Yagisan | Amaranth: in a doomworld forum, but I can't find the post now :(, and there is no mention @ raven software :( | 05:53 |
Amaranth | everyone who touched the code has to have something publicly verifiable | 05:53 |
sistpoty | Yagisan: just the engine or data as well? | 05:53 |
Yagisan | sistpoty: just the engine, actually only two source directorys - easy to delete if you don't want heretic or hexen | 05:54 |
Yagisan | sistpoty: you'd need to either buy the data, or use freedoom + a megawad to play | 05:54 |
sistpoty | would have been so cool, if they made data available as well... | 05:55 |
Yagisan | sistpoty: I agree - but they still actually sell it !!! | 05:55 |
sistpoty | heretic and hexen? wow... didn't know that | 05:56 |
sistpoty | anyway, I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone | 05:57 |
minghua | good night sistpoty | 05:57 |
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Kyral | lol | 06:17 |
Kyral | HURD! | 06:18 |
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persia | psusi: Realistic sonar? | 06:41 |
ajmitch | psusi: what game? | 06:42 |
psusi | dangers of the deep | 06:43 |
psusi | I'm trying to package it | 06:43 |
ajmitch | fun | 06:45 |
psusi | any idea WTF debuild would say it is ignoring deletion of (every god damned file in the orig tarball)? | 06:45 |
psusi | heh | 06:45 |
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zakame | hello all | 06:57 |
minghua | hi zakame | 06:58 |
zakame | heya minghua :) | 06:58 |
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tepsipakki | hello all | 08:24 |
tepsipakki | I made a new upload of gtkpod-aac yesterday | 08:24 |
tepsipakki | to REVU of course | 08:24 |
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Mez | ajmitch: do you think it would be a good thing for me to go through a load of apps in ubuntu and re-make them so that they like - hae tighter depends (fix the whole libtool thing!) | 09:22 |
ajmitch | such as? | 09:22 |
minghua | hi Mez, I remember you asking the Qt immodule thing on debian-devel list | 09:22 |
minghua | Mez: did you get any answer for that? AFAIK debian's qt3 doesn't has the immodule patch applied | 09:23 |
Mez | ajmitch: well put it this way | 09:23 |
Mez | minghua - nope - no answer - though we submitted a patch for it anyays | 09:23 |
minghua | Mez: to qt-x11-free? I think I want to subscribe to that bug | 09:24 |
lifeless | twelth from the top of NEW | 09:25 |
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Mez | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/515823 | 09:25 |
Mez | ajmitch: | 09:25 |
Mez | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/515823 | 09:25 |
Mez | minghua, 347377 | 09:26 |
minghua | Mez: thanks | 09:27 |
ajmitch | Mez: and how much divergence from debian do you want to introduce now? | 09:28 |
Mez | ajmitch: I would only modify *ubuntu* packages | 09:29 |
Mez | and would submit patch upstream and stuff | 09:29 |
Mez | + It's being asked for in debian :P | 09:29 |
Mez | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00016.html | 09:29 |
ajmitch | ok,, do it if you want :) | 09:31 |
Mez | hmm | 09:32 |
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Mez | minghua: lol | 09:32 |
Mez | mine is (well will be) | 09:32 |
Mez | and I only asked casue I've just updated yakuake to fix it (talking to the DD regarding it!) | 09:33 |
minghua | Mez: I think I'll learn from you how to do it properly | 09:34 |
Mez | minghua: It's really really easy | 09:34 |
Mez | lol - well for KDE stuff anyways | 09:35 |
minghua | Mez: I didn't fix my packages because I don't understand autotools at all, and since my upstream uses resonably recent autotools + libtool, and they compile on all arches, I didn't bother | 09:35 |
Mez | minghua: thing is - does it use DEBIAN's libtool? | 09:35 |
minghua | Mez: no | 09:35 |
Mez | minghua: there comes the problem - the libtool stuff is in debian only | 09:36 |
Mez | have a read of that link above | 09:36 |
Mez | it tells you a lot | 09:36 |
minghua | I only use the new config.{sub,guess}, but didn't relibtoolize it | 09:36 |
Mez | minghua, http://people.debian.org/~keybuk/libtool-updating.html | 09:37 |
minghua | Mez: thanks for the links, reading | 09:38 |
Mez | minghua, no probs | 09:39 |
minghua | I read d-d-a, but didn't follow all the links in that mail | 09:39 |
Mez | when ever someone mentions d-d-a I always think ddr | 09:40 |
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phanatic | hi people | 10:54 |
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spiritz | hi | 10:55 |
Gloubiboulga | hello phanatic | 10:55 |
phanatic | hi Gloubiboulga | 10:55 |
phanatic | i fixed the package | 10:55 |
phanatic | uploaded to revu yesterday | 10:55 |
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Gloubiboulga | phanatic, cool | 10:56 |
phanatic | Gloubiboulga: if you have a little time, could you have a look at it pls? | 10:56 |
minghua | relibtoolizing fixed that, though | 10:57 |
Gloubiboulga | phanatic, I'm looking at it... but I am not a MOTU | 10:58 |
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nlindblad | hello masters | 11:29 |
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Fuddl | ... eeeehm..... would somebody like to take a look at the quake3 package i uploaded to revu.tauware.de? *smiiiiiiiile* | 12:25 |
siretart | link? | 12:27 |
siretart | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1570 | 12:27 |
phanatic | i also uploaded a new version of gnome-rdp, if any of the masters have time for it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1576 | 12:30 |
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siretart | phlaegel: advocated | 12:41 |
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teprrr | Fuddl, hmm. why there is those quke3-server*.preinst, prerm, postinst, postrm and shlibs if they're empty? | 12:46 |
teprrr | and there quake3_*.preinst, prerm and shlibs which seem to be empty too | 12:47 |
teprrr | I don't know the policy, just thinking :) | 12:47 |
siretart | teprrr: they are not available in the package | 12:47 |
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teprrr | hmm | 12:48 |
siretart | teprrr: it is just the script, which creates them. if they have size 0, then the package does not have them | 12:48 |
Fuddl | teprrr: yepp, no pre* or post* stuff is in the source package | 12:49 |
teprrr | oh, okay.. the package of mine doesn't have those though: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1568 | 12:49 |
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ajmitch | morning \sh | 01:23 |
\sh | moins | 01:24 |
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siretart | hi ajmitch, hi \sh | 01:27 |
ajmitch | hello siretart | 01:28 |
\sh | moins siretart | 01:28 |
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\sh | oergs mail time :) | 01:36 |
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ajmitch | night all | 01:48 |
tseng | bye ajmitch | 01:48 |
jpatrick | ajmitch: night | 01:48 |
siretart | gn8 ajmitch | 01:48 |
\sh | ajmitch: sleep well :) | 01:49 |
marcin` | hello MOTU | 02:01 |
marcin` | got a question | 02:01 |
Yagisan | night ajmitch | 02:01 |
marcin` | what you guys do when you want to change name of package? | 02:01 |
Yagisan | marcin`: first - why do you want to change the name of a package ? | 02:01 |
tseng | a source package or a binary? | 02:01 |
marcin` | how you count releases? what about changelog? | 02:02 |
marcin` | Yagisan: hmm for example to use different name convention | 02:03 |
marcin` | tseng: both | 02:03 |
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Yagisan | marcin`: is this package from debian ? | 02:05 |
marcin` | Yagisan: kind of... | 02:05 |
marcin` | Yagisan: there are packages that are available in debian and some new packages | 02:06 |
Yagisan | marcin`: wishlist bug + very good reason @ debian bts | 02:06 |
Yagisan | marcin`: new packages - not in ubuntu already ? | 02:06 |
marcin` | I'm just going to upload a bunch of packages to REVU... | 02:06 |
marcin` | Yagisan: yes not in ubuntu and not in debian | 02:06 |
marcin` | Yagisan: but related to some infrastructure that is already available in debian and ubuntu | 02:07 |
Yagisan | marcin`: the new packages - different source to the debian packages ? | 02:07 |
marcin` | Yagisan: it's about Emacs | 02:07 |
marcin` | Yagisan: I would like to package some *.el files and tools for Emacs | 02:08 |
marcin` | Yagisan: but also repackage some existing debs | 02:08 |
Yagisan | marcin`: name the new packages consistently with existing package names if possible | 02:08 |
marcin` | Yagisan: and that the problem | 02:08 |
Yagisan | marcin`: why repackage ? | 02:08 |
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marcin` | Yagisan: because in fact I don't see any naming convention for emacs packages | 02:08 |
marcin` | Yagisan: it's just chaos and mess | 02:09 |
marcin` | Yagisan: this is why I would like to change names of some existing packages | 02:09 |
Yagisan | marcin`: repackaging that sounds like unnecessarily divergence from upstream | 02:09 |
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minghua | never read it though | 02:09 |
Yagisan | marcin`: wishlist bug + very good reason @ debian bts + patch may help | 02:09 |
marcin` | minghua: there is emacs policy - but it's related to how emacs packages install and uninstall libraries | 02:10 |
marcin` | minghua: and about emacsen-common scrpits | 02:10 |
minghua | marcin`: okay. I am really not familar with that part at all | 02:10 |
marcin` | Yagisan: why repackage: 1. because I want to use cdbs in rules | 02:10 |
marcin` | Yagisan: 2. because there is a lot of things in emacs packages that just don't work at all | 02:11 |
Yagisan | marcin`: so what - upstream will eat you for eat - it becomes your baby for life | 02:11 |
Yagisan | s/for eat/for that | 02:11 |
Yagisan | marcin`: fixing is good, changing upstreams build system without discussing it with them is bad | 02:11 |
Yagisan | marcin`: they have already complained about it | 02:12 |
marcin` | Yagisan: 3. bacause there is a big mess in emacs packages especially in names | 02:12 |
marcin` | Yagisan: for example you got pretty simple naming convention for libs*, python2.*-*, perl*-* etc.... | 02:12 |
marcin` | Yagisan: but emacs is just mess | 02:13 |
marcin` | Yagisan: anyway - this is why I want to upload this to REVU - to start discussion - right? | 02:13 |
Yagisan | marcin`: no doubt, but because we are taking this from debian, it is much much much easier for us, if we can get debian to do the renaming | 02:13 |
Yagisan | marcin`: are you on the ubuntu-motu mailing list ? | 02:13 |
Yagisan | marcin`: an email there will get you responses from real MOTU's not an apprentice like me | 02:14 |
Yagisan | marcin`: but as I said, name your new packages as you like | 02:15 |
marcin` | Yagisan: ok, I'll do | 02:15 |
marcin` | Yagisan: but my question was - what you do when you want to change name | 02:15 |
marcin` | Yagisan: what you do with changelog | 02:15 |
Yagisan | marcin`: yes, I know - but the why is important | 02:15 |
Yagisan | marcin`: I only know how to change binary names | 02:16 |
marcin` | Yagisan: and what you do with release numbers... | 02:16 |
Yagisan | marcin`: I kept the changelog intact | 02:16 |
Yagisan | marcin`: new binary name = new number | 02:16 |
Yagisan | marcin`: I changed the name of the binary in control | 02:16 |
Yagisan | marcin`: and added a Replaces: Oldname | 02:17 |
Yagisan | marcin`: line to the control file | 02:17 |
Yagisan | marcin`: someone like tseng most likely knows if I forgot something, and how to do it for a source package | 02:18 |
marcin` | Yagisan: so, for example: we got erc-5.0.2-5 and I would like to change it's name to emacs-erc-5.0.2 | 02:18 |
marcin` | Yagisan: then release number counts from 1 right? | 02:18 |
marcin` | Yagisan: emacs-erc-5.0.2-1 right? | 02:18 |
Yagisan | marcin`: I think you could do that | 02:19 |
marcin` | Yagisan: and you just continue changelog but with new entries starting with new name? | 02:20 |
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phanatic | hi people | 02:20 |
marcin` | Yagisan: anyway sorry I have to leave now... thanks | 02:21 |
Yagisan | marcin`: in my case the source package didn't change, so I did nothing to the changelog | 02:21 |
Yagisan | marcin`: no worries - hope I was helpful | 02:21 |
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zakame | hi MOTUs :) | 02:55 |
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Yagisan | G'day zakame | 03:08 |
zakame | heya Yagisan :) | 03:08 |
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Yagisan | zakame: adopting a few debian packages ? Seems every time I check I see you looking for sponsers | 03:11 |
zakame | Yagisan: no actually I was just updating packages adopted from Clint | 03:11 |
zakame | Yagisan: it was only now that Clint (or someone else iirc) filed O bugs, which I promptly ITA'd | 03:12 |
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phanatic | if any of the MOTUs have some time, please have a look at this upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1577 | 03:26 |
phanatic | thanks in advance | 03:26 |
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Hieronymus | Someone who can post comments on REVU, please copy my mailinglist comment for quake3-data of 18 january to REVU | 03:36 |
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zakame | wb rbelem , raphink :) | 03:38 |
rbelem | morning zakame, raphink | 03:39 |
rbelem | morning all ;-) | 03:39 |
siretart | Hieronymus: you could talk directly to Fuddl :) | 03:41 |
siretart | Hieronymus: I don't know if OpenArena works with q3 yet | 03:41 |
Hieronymus | siretart: it does | 03:41 |
Hieronymus | I'm running it | 03:41 |
Hieronymus | but I needed to bypass his data file checks | 03:42 |
siretart | oh | 03:42 |
siretart | Hieronymus: IIRC the idea of the package was that there could be other packages, which replace/enhance it | 03:43 |
siretart | Hieronymus: so you would 'just' need to package OpenArena as well | 03:43 |
Hieronymus | siretart: yeah | 03:43 |
Hieronymus | it's in the README.Debian | 03:43 |
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Yagisan | Hieronymus: you have free data for quake3 ?? | 03:46 |
Hieronymus | Yagisan: http://planetgargoyle.com/openarena | 03:47 |
Hieronymus | Yagisan: it has 2-3 levels, 1-2 characters and ~6 weapons | 03:47 |
Hieronymus | but it's playable | 03:48 |
Hieronymus | no bots | 03:48 |
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Hieronymus | Yagisan: I'm not going to package it | 03:49 |
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Hieronymus | it's too pre-alpha for that, and the copyright/license information isn't clearly stated | 03:50 |
siretart | Hieronymus: so what do you actually ask fuddl? | 03:50 |
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Hieronymus | siretart: shall I just write it down more clearly? | 03:51 |
Yagisan | Hieronymus: I see - I've been beating my upstreams with cluebats for their data files - didn't help that someone copied it and was selling it on ebay though :( | 03:51 |
Hieronymus | I don't have a quake III CD, but I should be able to use the package anyway, without modifying his quake3 script | 03:52 |
Hieronymus | Yagisan: what do you mean? | 03:52 |
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Hieronymus | What do I do when my debian/watch file doesn't work, and I don't know why? | 03:53 |
Yagisan | Hieronymus: literally someone copied their data, stripped the copyright notices, packaged Id software iwads, and a windows port of the engine, and was selling it on ebay as Doom 3 | 03:54 |
Hieronymus | sue! | 03:55 |
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Yagisan | Hieronymus: if they catch the guy, I'm sure they will. But they have been more restrictive with the data since then. | 03:56 |
Fuddl | perhaps i should write a note to the quake3 control file it will pull quake3-data which will need the cd | 03:59 |
Fuddl | oh yes, i should do that, the quake2 package also does it | 04:00 |
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Fuddl | Hieronymus: installing the demo-data doesn't work 100%, a lot of textures get scrambled, sounds are missing, and, and, and - that's why i didn't give the option to install the data files from the demo in the postinst script of quake3-data | 04:02 |
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Hieronymus | Fuddl: I don't want to install the demo data | 04:04 |
Hieronymus | but it should be very easy to make an openarena package once that gets past pre-alpha stage | 04:05 |
Hieronymus | and right now quake3 won't run even if I put a pak0.pk3 in the baseq3 folder | 04:05 |
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Kyral | Morning | 04:13 |
phanatic | hi Kyral | 04:13 |
Yagisan | Kyral: damm, your right it is morning | 04:14 |
thierry_ | JohnyMast : you told me yesterday to ping you about my package | 04:14 |
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Kyral | raphink, no offense, but you are picky... | 04:17 |
raphink | Kyral: what do you mean? | 04:18 |
Kyral | your last comment on GTKEdit reminded me of the "No newline at end of file" warnings in Lintian ;P | 04:19 |
raphink | Kyral: look at all the debian/control you can find ;) | 04:19 |
raphink | Kyral: it's just a very small detail I know ;) | 04:19 |
Kyral | Oh well, at least you like it... | 04:20 |
raphink | I almost advocated it | 04:20 |
Kyral | the Debian Devs flat out don't | 04:20 |
ajmitch | that | 04:20 |
raphink | they don't like the package? | 04:20 |
Kyral | yah | 04:20 |
ajmitch | there's been talk of even removing gtk+ 1.2 stuff in the future | 04:20 |
Kyral | mostly along the lines of "Ick its GTK 1" | 04:20 |
ajmitch | at least gnome 1.x | 04:20 |
Kyral | Well, if you read the webpage, you will see the reason why its GTK 1 | 04:21 |
ajmitch | I know | 04:21 |
Kyral | raphink: reuploaded | 04:25 |
Kyral | whenever the next REVU cycle is, it will show up | 04:25 |
Kyral | your vote will make two votes, so feel free for upload (you are MOTU now aren't you?) | 04:26 |
ajmitch | raphink: I see you're requiring a Homepage entry in debian/control, why is that? | 04:27 |
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Yagisan | night ajmitch (again) | 04:32 |
ajmitch | :) | 04:32 |
Hieronymus | Can anyone tell me why uscan doesn't like my debian/watch (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7454) with uscan output (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7453)? | 04:32 |
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teprrr | hmm, how should I proceed after accidentally uploading a package without original source? after I fixed the problem dput doesn't want to upload the package.. | 04:49 |
teprrr | should I bump the version or..? | 04:49 |
Mithrandir | rm the $pkg_$version.upload file | 04:50 |
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teprrr | Mithrandir, ah. thanks. | 04:53 |
raphink | ajmitch: yeah it's surely not policy, but it's a very common habbit, that it's nice | 04:54 |
raphink | ajmitch: but I reckon it shouldn't be a requirement | 04:54 |
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phanatic | raphink: could you have a look at this one: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1576 ? | 05:00 |
teprrr | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1578 -- umh, I still can't see the .orig.tar.gz there.. | 05:02 |
teprrr | but at least dput said it's uploaded there.. and the page shows that there's been a change | 05:02 |
phanatic | teprrr: there's a .tar.gz | 05:03 |
phanatic | including the debian dir | 05:03 |
teprrr | phanatic, yes. but it isn't the orig one. | 05:04 |
Gloubiboulga | is there a lib specialist around? it's about http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1536 | 05:04 |
phanatic | teprrr: check the package building process | 05:04 |
Gloubiboulga | I'd like to avoid a fight between sistpoty and hub ;) | 05:04 |
teprrr | phanatic, hmm? | 05:05 |
phanatic | teprrr: your package seems to be built as a native package | 05:06 |
teprrr | phanatic, you mean without the orig. source? yup, that happened accidentally and I've fixed it locally | 05:07 |
teprrr | was -<version>.orig instead of _<version>.orig and it failed :/ | 05:08 |
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thierry_ | JohnyMast : ping | 05:10 |
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teprrr | ok, solved, thanks to phanatic :) | 05:13 |
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raphink | phanatic: I'm hesitating to upload gnome-rdp | 05:26 |
raphink | phanatic: it's very good technically, nothing to say | 05:26 |
raphink | now the point where I struggle is a licensing one | 05:26 |
\sh | grmpf...need to update 5 gentoo servers | 05:26 |
raphink | since the upstream didn't put any reference to a license in any of their source files | 05:27 |
\sh | raphink: raise the issue to ubuntu-devel, so elmo can have a look (cc to james) | 05:27 |
raphink | not even a reference to COPYING | 05:27 |
raphink | ok | 05:27 |
raphink | \sh: well i'd say phanatic could ping upstream to get them add the 3 paragraphs for GPL in each source file | 05:28 |
raphink | and that would do | 05:28 |
phanatic | raphink: should i ask upstream about licensing? | 05:28 |
phanatic | ok :) | 05:28 |
raphink | phanatic: yes I think so | 05:28 |
\sh | or put the whole gpl license into the source | 05:28 |
phanatic | i'll write an email now | 05:28 |
raphink | \sh: the whole GPL is present in COPYING | 05:28 |
raphink | this is not the issue | 05:29 |
raphink | Debian policy states that each source file should either clearly state the license it falls under | 05:29 |
raphink | or link to COPYING | 05:29 |
raphink | which is not the case | 05:29 |
raphink | I don't consider `// project created on 09/20/2005 at 20:33` a proper licensing header ;) | 05:30 |
siretart | phanatic: tell your upstream to read the gpl | 05:30 |
siretart | phanatic: espc. the 'how to apply the gpl' part | 05:30 |
raphink | yep | 05:31 |
raphink | http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html#SEC4 | 05:31 |
raphink | :) | 05:31 |
phanatic | okay :) | 05:32 |
thierry_ | siretart : could you review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1572 JohnyMast said yesterday he would find someone to do it this morning but he doesn't respond since 3 hours... | 05:33 |
thierry_ | JohnyMast also said it looked good :) | 05:33 |
phanatic | raphink: i mailed upstream. if everything will be okay, he'll release a new version tomorrow (containing the Makefile patch too) | 05:35 |
phanatic | and thanks for the review | 05:35 |
raphink | phanatic: great, I'll be happy to upload it if there's not too many changes | 05:35 |
phanatic | i have another package uploaded as well, and i don't fully agree with zakame about his complaints: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1579 | 05:42 |
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Mithrandir | is Danilo Piazzalunga a MOTU? | 05:51 |
\sh | not that I know of | 05:52 |
\sh | what's his nick? | 05:52 |
Mithrandir | I don't know, that's why I'm asking. | 05:52 |
\sh | to be honest, I don't know the realname.. | 05:53 |
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hub | Gloubiboulga: there won't be any fight | 06:05 |
hub | Gloubiboulga: he has seniority | 06:05 |
Gloubiboulga | hub, I was just kidding :) | 06:05 |
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thierry_ | JohnyMast : ping | 07:04 |
thierry_ | JohnnyMast : ping | 07:04 |
JohnnyMast | thierry_ pong | 07:07 |
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thierry_ | JohnnyMast : you said yesterday you would find someone to review my package... | 07:27 |
JohnnyMast | aah right hold on | 07:27 |
JohnnyMast | slomo_, are you here ? | 07:28 |
thierry_ | siretart : could you review my package? | 07:36 |
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mxpxpod | is anyone having problems with spamassassin? | 08:41 |
crimsun | mxpxpod: did you ping benc (or file a bug in malone) about your ppc sound issue(s)? | 08:46 |
mxpxpod | crimsun: not yet.. I haven't gotten to it ;) | 08:46 |
crimsun | mxpxpod: ok | 08:47 |
mxpxpod | crimsun: I think it has something to do with the suspend bug in malone | 08:47 |
mxpxpod | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/29268 | 08:48 |
crimsun | mxpxpod: k, ppc isn't my arena, just trying to keep abreast of the sound bugs | 08:48 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 29268: "linux-image-2.6.15-13-powerpc breaks sleep on ibook g4" Fix req. for: linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 08:48 |
mxpxpod | crimsun: I still have to get a launchpad.net account ;) | 08:48 |
mxpxpod | oh, wait | 08:49 |
mxpxpod | looks like I have one... | 08:49 |
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tseng | anyone have a problem with gnome-power-manager | 09:15 |
mxpxpod | tseng: yup | 09:15 |
crimsun | tseng: ogra mentioned not having merged the new version yet | 09:15 |
tseng | mxpxpod: child exits? | 09:15 |
crimsun | said it was blocked on a glib issue | 09:15 |
mxpxpod | tseng: keeps telling me that hal doesn't have powermanagement enabled | 09:16 |
tseng | mxpxpod: nope. | 09:16 |
teprrr | hmm, can I somehow get a package into universe when the author of the app has made the package? looks like for debian though | 09:16 |
mxpxpod | tseng: strange... that's what it's telling me :( | 09:16 |
tseng | mine just exits with no output | 09:16 |
mxpxpod | tseng: do a gnome-power-manager --no-daemon | 09:16 |
crimsun | mxpxpod: that's the issue that mjg59 asked about yesterday (to which ogra referred) | 09:16 |
mxpxpod | crimsun: ah, ok | 09:17 |
teprrr | and how long it usually takes that someone will review the package on revu? | 09:17 |
mxpxpod | tseng: are you having a problem with spamassassin? | 09:18 |
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phanatic | hi people | 09:24 |
phanatic | raphink: the package is under way | 09:24 |
teprrr | hello | 09:25 |
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Kyral | uo LJ | 09:36 |
ajmitch | crimsun: you're doing some work on alsa upstream at the moment? | 09:37 |
phanatic | raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1583 (licensing info added + patch applied by upstream) | 09:38 |
crimsun | ajmitch: in a bit, yes (your issue is noted) | 09:38 |
ajmitch | crimsun: oh I know someone is assigned to the issue I care about :) | 09:38 |
LaserJock | Hi Kyral | 09:38 |
stratus | root@trinity:/var/log/piupartme# cat 1-21-2006/kerneltop/piupartme-kerneltop.log | 09:41 |
stratus | piupartme: package [kerneltop] - version [unknown] - build attempt at: 1-21-2006 | 09:41 |
stratus | piupartme: package [kerneltop] - version [unknown] - maybe-successful | 09:41 |
stratus | nice! | 09:41 |
stratus | ajmitch, my little toy is just a step (or two) since its first run through each universe package | 09:42 |
stratus | ajmitch, it lacks some speed optimizations and a small db containing a hash with the last package and the version tested (to avoid run the same tests over a package two times) | 09:43 |
stratus | everything else looks good and is customizable | 09:44 |
\sh | grrr..mysql upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1 on gentoo is a pain | 09:54 |
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teprrr | can anyone help me? | 10:23 |
teprrr | with those things I mentioned earlier :) | 10:23 |
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\sh | why, in gods almighty name, has cacti a dependency on lighttpd on gentoo? | 10:25 |
\sh | now I have to bloddy webservers | 10:25 |
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Hieronymus | Can debian/watch handle XML? | 10:58 |
Hieronymus | It's not working right with http://taschenorakel.de/svn/repos/bulldozer/releases/ | 10:59 |
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VelvetElvis | is this where I go to ask about an afterstep 2.2.0 package for dapper? It's in sid | 11:20 |
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ajmitch | yes, we'll need to have good reasons to get a new version in though | 11:21 |
ajmitch | upstream version freeze was a few days ago :) | 11:21 |
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VelvetElvis | it's a new major version that you didn't get to before? | 11:21 |
VelvetElvis | it's been in sid for weeks | 11:22 |
ajmitch | weeks? | 11:22 |
ajmitch | no, it was uploaded only a week ago | 11:22 |
VelvetElvis | ok, my bad | 11:22 |
VelvetElvis | anyway, any chance of that happening or should I break down and try and build my own? | 11:23 |
ajmitch | upstream version freeze means we don't put in new major versions without reasons | 11:23 |
ajmitch | sure, there's a chance | 11:23 |
Hieronymus | VelvetElvis: if you think there's a good reason to include the new version, write a UVF exception report | 11:24 |
ajmitch | the way of doing those reports has to be documented properly | 11:24 |
VelvetElvis | right. ok to post changelog? support for fullscreen is the main reason i'm wanting it | 11:27 |
VelvetElvis | Hieronymus: where/how do I do that? | 11:27 |
VelvetElvis | er, url to changelong? | 11:27 |
Hieronymus | VelvetElvis: look in the archives of devel | 11:28 |
VelvetElvis | ok, thanks | 11:28 |
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