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(which would have synced 2 weeks ago if I hadn't uploaded it in december... === lamont__ requests the sync === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === michael__ [n=michael@pool-141-157-88-80.balt.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Kyral wonders if he is like betraying Ubuntu by trying other Distros [01:23] of course not === tritium_ [n=mfrimbe@71-213-137-73.albq.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] cool [01:24] its only in a VM Image anyway [01:24] Kyral: what are you going to try [01:25] EVERYTHIGN! [01:25] SuSE, Fedora, Debian, VLOS, the BSDs [01:25] HURD [01:25] I see [01:26] Heheh [01:26] I want to know the strengths and weaknesses of every major distro [01:27] you haven't done that before? [01:27] nope [01:27] I mean I know Gentoo and Slack [01:27] and of course Ubuntu [01:28] you have a lot of time, man :) [01:28] I've never done Slack, but I did Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo, little bit of Debian, and Vector [01:28] its more like I have a lot of diskspace ;p [01:29] Kyral, how many distros do you think are major? [01:29] I started on Slack [01:29] ompaul: dunno [01:29] maybe the Top20 on DW? [01:29] I'd go top 15 maybe [01:29] Kyral, supposing one you like is not there maybe DSL ( now I don't know what number that is) [01:29] DSL I know [01:29] hehe [01:30] When I saw GTKEdit for the first time, the first thing I thought was "Damn Small Linux!" [01:30] Kyral, knowing a good bit about the main packaging systems would be better for you imho [01:30] yah [01:30] RPM, Portage, Slackpack [01:31] I already know about Debpack :P [01:32] I like Portage quite a bit [01:33] I used to be a Portage Junkie [01:33] I heard VLOS is good [01:33] Gentoo for people who don't wanna wait ;P [01:33] Portage is why I'm using Ubuntu ;-) [01:33] lol [01:33] I heard its written in Python [01:33] yeah, I think so [01:34] I also find it amusing that there is a gentoo package ;P [01:34] the file manager? [01:34] yah [01:36] hmm [01:36] SuSE has a nice installer and a massive package selection on install, BUT its over 5 CDs... [01:37] yah, DVDs help [01:38] yah.. [01:38] but not everyone has a DVD Burner [01:38] that is one thing I like about Ubuntu, 1 CD [01:38] yah [01:40] but if you have .isos and use vmware-player... [01:40] I meant for normal people ;P === Gervystar [n=alessand@ip-124-244.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@ip-124-244.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl51B69D51.pool.t-online.hu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["part"] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-240.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] is anyone interested in packaging kiax [02:03] ? [02:03] linky? [02:03] kiaz.sf.net [02:03] erm [02:03] kiax.sf.net [02:03] linux softphone, talks IAX [02:03] I'll look in a sec === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] SuSE is installing in a VM, and my computer is a little slow... [02:04] right now ;P [02:04] and as we're bring up asterix very soon, having that would rock [02:04] ? [02:05] for canonical/ubuntu - we're doing an asterix conference server [02:05] oh [02:05] wazzat? [02:05] asterix - apt-cache should tell ya :) [02:05] lifeless: it's asterisk === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] azeem: lol, right [02:08] lifeless, this going to be accessible to non-canonical employees? [02:08] Burgundavia: yes [02:08] can ekiga/gnomemeeting do IAX? [02:09] AFIAK no [02:09] we'll have sip as well [02:09] but IAX is nicer [02:09] yep [02:10] opal has iax support [02:10] but i have to disable to build atm [02:11] Okay [02:11] we need to beat SuSE's installer [02:11] and I think I know how to [02:11] Kyral, what does it do better? [02:11] Let them play Tetris or Space Invaders while the install is going :D === Gervystar [n=alessand@ip-124-244.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] Kyral: erm [02:12] Kyral, espresso will let people play or surf, etc. [02:12] Kyral: UbuntuExpress, play any game you want [02:12] oh [02:12] its a livecd installer [02:12] *sheepish look* [02:13] lifeless, ick kiax is qt/kde [02:14] yah and I gotta write the guide on it for the DocTeam :D [02:14] Kyral, the UI had better land soon. I understand that the dev sprint is likely to finish the major bits of it [02:14] I knwo I knwo lol [02:16] Prolly by Flight 4 === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] I am interested in seeing what they come up with [02:16] like what it looks like === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0173.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@A-96-52.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shreddr [i=Lolita23@209.91.114.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:56] must go TODAY. MESSAGE ME ONLY ON MSN AT MCSLTD2@HOTMAIL.COM, AIM AT OGD443 or YAHOO at MCSLTD2 IF INTERESTED! 1 alienware desktop computer price $550, one alienware area51-m 5700 notebook price $550. prices include sameday shipping, case, wireless router. === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+b *!*209.91.1*@*] by tseng [03:00] erg [03:00] better. === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o tseng] by tseng [03:01] irssi is too smart for my own good [03:04] well done tseng :-) [03:04] wasnt me [03:04] freenode ircop === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] oh I see [03:08] I am beginning to like SuSE lol [03:08] enough to Dual Boot it === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] afternoon [03:22] Kyral, Are you serious? I have to fix the suse desktops of other admins at work with it's broken gnome implementation [03:23] lol [03:23] Its fun... [03:23] I mean the Server thing [03:23] ACPI in SUSE is also crap compared to ubuntu [03:23] and Xen :D [03:24] SLES and SUSE are different... SLES (What we run at work) is pretty sweet [03:24] I agree with you about xen [03:24] And Apparmor [03:24] Xen Xen Xen... === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.167.92.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] hi folks [03:32] hi sistpoty [03:32] hi ajmitch [03:32] typical, just after I do a bunch of zope merges/syncs, more are uploaded to debian ;) [03:32] not new upstreams though, so I might ask for syncs [03:33] hehe === sistpoty is just to fix mythplugins ftbfs on non-i386 [03:38] r === infinito [n=infinito@VPNPOOL01-0173.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable036.65-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-67-145-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] apparently mythtv .19 is coming out very soon (ie. about a week). any chance it'll get in to dapper? [03:54] it would require a freeze exception [03:54] got good reasons for it to go in? [03:55] ajmitch: is mythtv still maintained ? IIRC it was mdz's but not anymore [03:56] I don't know who cares for it now - I think some of the MOTUs do [03:56] I don't have the hardware, otherwise I'd use it [03:57] ajmitch: I have the hardware - but no tv reception, so I can't use it :( [03:57] ajmitch: I miss Iron Chef on SBS === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@pcp02403042pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] ajmitch: much better quality then you can get from, well you know where [03:58] I get poor tv reception here, and few chanels [03:58] s/chanels/channels/ [03:59] Yagisan: iirc crimsun is working on mythtv [03:59] thanks sistpoty [04:00] ajmitch: All I want is Iron Chef for me, and Play School for Kate and Eric [04:00] ajmitch: and I can't even get that :( === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef_aw [n=loic@81.56.130.224] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] ajmitch: I don't know the specifics, but I know they've done a lot of work on it... some new features, reworked livetv, etc... without it, I'd have to resort to building from source myself ;-) [04:07] we hit upstream version freeze last week, so all exceptions need to have reasons :) [04:07] I've only been using mythtv for the last couple of versions, but the releases seem to be pretty solid [04:08] like [04:08] beagle 0.2.0 [04:08] ajmitch: yeah, I know [04:08] my reson? [04:08] it builds [04:08] f-spot 0.1.8 (when it's there) - because it fixes a few of the debian bugs [04:09] ajmitch, cool that you wrote f-spot [04:10] he did? [04:10] that is cool [04:10] ajmitch, they implemented flickrnet or not yet? [04:10] tseng, lol he wrote the word f-spot and not the software [04:10] well then [04:10] stratus: not that I know of [04:10] f-spot f-spot f-spot [04:10] go me [04:11] stratus: might be worth integrating [04:11] stratus: why is saying f-spot cool? [04:11] because it reminded me about the flickrnet thing. [04:12] ajmitch, i see someone rewriting the flickr support since it's ugly and only support old accounts [04:12] stratus: yes, it doesn't work with my flickr account [04:12] I had looked at it very briefly [04:12] but someone else was working on it I think [04:12] ajmitch, i've a new account too. [04:12] ajmitch, i see === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] btw, i'm working on a new (unrelated) toy right now, it's under tests [04:13] i call that piupartme. [04:13] piupartme goal is pass each universe package through piuparts === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] ok [04:15] that can be done in a few lines of shell, I've already got such a script [04:16] ajmitch, but you wrote a heavily hardcoded script, no? [04:17] sure, it's just something to run on my box at the moment [04:17] oh, i see [04:17] ajmitch, piupartme has 54 lines of python code atm === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] ajmitch, with it you can do the same against ubuntu main, debian sid, whatever. [04:17] ok [04:17] where will you publish it? === ajmitch needs to dist-upgrade, but doesn't have the bandwidth === psusi steps on bug buddy [04:19] ajmitch, i'm testing it on my laptop right now (but i won't run against the entire universe)... [04:20] my laptop is now my fastest box now, it seems [04:20] ajmitch, after the tests i'll change the needed bits to run it inside debian but against ubuntu universe. [04:20] ajmitch, i've some servers (p4 3g ht, 2gb ram) running debian but nothing so good running ubuntu. [04:20] stratus: I notice that it can give very detailed reports, including about other packages that are dependencies of the ones you are testing [04:21] nearly all of my packages had some cruft left behind due to deps [04:21] ajmitch, sure i plan to do the update things too, but i'll need more cpu power [04:23] btw ajmitch: do you have anything for unmet deps yet? [04:24] sistpoty: no [04:24] packages with unmet deps where? universe? [04:24] sistpoty: I've hardly started working on it, I had a brief post-UVF break [04:24] stratus: yes [04:24] stratus: sure, usually lots of them [04:25] stratus: looking at using britney to get a report [04:25] ajmitch: I guess I'll do a branch of the merge list-tool to have a similar list. I only need some input which packages are affected yet :) [04:26] (maybe I'll start with siretarts list) [04:26] sistpoty: ok, I planned something a bit more than a simple list [04:26] ajmitch: what do you have in mind? [04:26] sistpoty: since it ends up being a set of interconnected packages [04:26] so you identify which one really needs fixed to give the most benefit [04:27] ie, dependants & dependencies [04:27] hm, bzr diff is taking a lot of cpu [04:27] hm... but for workflow this basically means a list with packages to work on? [04:27] sistpoty: yes [04:28] ajmitch: good... then this should be pretty trivial to branch from the merge-list. what packages are listed depends on the input then ;) === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] hm [04:38] I wonder why my dapper base tarball is so very very large [04:39] 1.7GB is just excessive [04:40] package cache? [04:40] yeah [04:40] the base tarball has /var/cache/apt/archives [04:40] it shouldn't have all those [04:41] most dating back to august or so === herzi [n=herzi@c206168.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] ah that's better, 63MB, not 1.7GB [04:50] pbuilder login --save-after-login is not safe when it hardlinks in all the apt cache [04:52] yeah, I was bitten by that once as well [04:53] I think it only happen if you use the APTCACHE out of chroot [04:53] it either hardlink it, or bindmount it, I don't remember [04:55] yeah [04:55] both are far faster than copying it in === psusi can't believe he has been waiting 7 years now for the linux kernel to support O_DIRECT on sockets, and it still doesn't [04:58] what does O_DIRECT do? [04:58] sistpoty, tells the kernel not to buffer the data... just directly transfer to/from the hardware [04:59] saves memory and cpu time since two copies of the data are't made... it's very nice [04:59] but how could this been done for sockets? [05:00] same way it's done for anything else... don't copy to kernel buffers.. instead have the hardware directly dma to/from the user buffers [05:01] dunno about the internals, but don't you need to put some network protocol in there for sockets? [05:01] you mean slap on some packet headers? yea [05:02] exactly... at least for nic's which don't do this in hw... but I have no clue how networking inside the kernel works, though ;) [05:02] the nic has to support scatter/gather dma so the kenrel can program it to grab the packet headers from kernel space, and the body from the user buffers [05:03] I wrote an ftp server on NT back in 1998/99 using this technique.... it was able to push 11,820 KB/s over a single connection on a fast ethernet network... [05:04] plugged in a second nic and saturated them both... with less than 1% of the cpu on a PII-233 [05:07] sistpoty: great, you got mythplugins uploaded :) [05:08] ajmitch: yes, I really ruined mdz's packaging now *G* [05:08] (it's a bit horrible now, but I hope it works) [05:09] heh [05:12] eeks... I really should have run lintian... setting compat to 5 and forgetting to adjust debhelper b-d :( === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@pcp02403042pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] oops [05:13] naughty === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] so... anyone here ever udebified a package before? I think I've managed to udebify dmraid, but I'd like someone to take a look at it on revu [05:37] ajmitch: on the openssl issue I asked you about yesterday, do I put the openssl acknowledgement in the copyright file? [05:37] if it's really in the source's copyright [05:38] maybe something to clarify with the debian maintainer [05:38] it is in the source's copyright, but checking with the maintainer probably isn't a bad idea === Yagisan feels odd - my copyright file in /debian is more current then what is in the source, infact some of the source has no copyright notices [05:44] does the source at least have a LICENSE file? [05:44] or have a note in every file saying the license? === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] Amaranth: it's from a package that was rejected because upstream has mixed licenses which no longer pass the dfsg tests, but can be distributed non-commercially [05:49] Yagisan: multiverse, if it gets in at all [05:49] what is it? [05:50] Amaranth: a doom source port [05:50] also, the non-commercially thing would probably keep it out of multiverse too [05:50] hooray... mythplugins all built [05:50] Amaranth: my 3rd party repo page http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/ [05:51] ah [05:52] Amaranth: what is annoying is that one of the raven programmers later stated heretic/hexen are now public domain [05:52] not good enough [05:53] Amaranth: in a doomworld forum, but I can't find the post now :(, and there is no mention @ raven software :( [05:53] everyone who touched the code has to have something publicly verifiable [05:53] Yagisan: just the engine or data as well? [05:54] sistpoty: just the engine, actually only two source directorys - easy to delete if you don't want heretic or hexen [05:54] sistpoty: you'd need to either buy the data, or use freedoom + a megawad to play [05:55] would have been so cool, if they made data available as well... [05:55] sistpoty: I agree - but they still actually sell it !!! [05:56] heretic and hexen? wow... didn't know that [05:57] anyway, I'm off to bed now... gn8 everyone [05:57] good night sistpoty === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua is intrigued to see a mail about Gaussian support on ubuntu-devel list === Kyral is intruiged to try PCBSD === Yagisan is waiting for Ubuntu/kfreebsd :-P [06:17] lol [06:18] HURD! === Kyral would laugh if GNUBuntu turned out to be Ubuntu/HURD === Yagisan thinks that sounds perfect === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p1119-ipbf510marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === psusi wonders WTF a WWII submarine simulation game needs to compute fast fourier transforms for [06:41] psusi: Realistic sonar? [06:42] psusi: what game? [06:43] dangers of the deep [06:43] I'm trying to package it [06:45] fun [06:45] any idea WTF debuild would say it is ignoring deletion of (every god damned file in the orig tarball)? [06:45] heh === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.82.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aboe [n=aboe@tb-c-76ec.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aboe [n=aboe@tb-c-76ec.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [06:57] hello all [06:58] hi zakame [06:58] heya minghua :) === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sebest_ [n=sebest@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef_ [n=loic@81.56.130.224] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jm__@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] hello all [08:24] I made a new upload of gtkpod-aac yesterday [08:24] to REVU of course === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.62.140] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] ajmitch: do you think it would be a good thing for me to go through a load of apps in ubuntu and re-make them so that they like - hae tighter depends (fix the whole libtool thing!) [09:22] such as? [09:22] hi Mez, I remember you asking the Qt immodule thing on debian-devel list [09:23] Mez: did you get any answer for that? AFAIK debian's qt3 doesn't has the immodule patch applied [09:23] ajmitch: well put it this way [09:23] minghua - nope - no answer - though we submitted a patch for it anyays [09:24] Mez: to qt-x11-free? I think I want to subscribe to that bug [09:25] twelth from the top of NEW === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/515823 [09:25] ajmitch: [09:25] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/515823 [09:26] minghua, 347377 [09:27] Mez: thanks [09:28] Mez: and how much divergence from debian do you want to introduce now? [09:29] ajmitch: I would only modify *ubuntu* packages [09:29] and would submit patch upstream and stuff [09:29] + It's being asked for in debian :P [09:29] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00016.html [09:31] ok,, do it if you want :) [09:32] hmm === minghua knows his debian package is probably not libtoolized correctly :-P [09:32] minghua: lol [09:32] mine is (well will be) [09:33] and I only asked casue I've just updated yakuake to fix it (talking to the DD regarding it!) [09:34] Mez: I think I'll learn from you how to do it properly [09:34] minghua: It's really really easy [09:35] lol - well for KDE stuff anyways [09:35] Mez: I didn't fix my packages because I don't understand autotools at all, and since my upstream uses resonably recent autotools + libtool, and they compile on all arches, I didn't bother [09:35] minghua: thing is - does it use DEBIAN's libtool? [09:35] Mez: no [09:36] minghua: there comes the problem - the libtool stuff is in debian only [09:36] have a read of that link above [09:36] it tells you a lot [09:36] I only use the new config.{sub,guess}, but didn't relibtoolize it [09:37] minghua, http://people.debian.org/~keybuk/libtool-updating.html [09:38] Mez: thanks for the links, reading [09:39] minghua, no probs [09:39] I read d-d-a, but didn't follow all the links in that mail [09:40] when ever someone mentions d-d-a I always think ddr === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spiritz [n=spiritz@61.12.41.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raptoid [n=raptoid@unaffiliated/raptoid] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl51B69D6B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] hi people === jpatrick [n=patrick@155.Red-83-45-210.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] hi [10:55] hello phanatic [10:55] hi Gloubiboulga [10:55] i fixed the package [10:55] uploaded to revu yesterday === minghua wonders why his package depends on libfreetype6 (incorrectly) in dapper, but doesn't in sid [10:56] phanatic, cool [10:56] Gloubiboulga: if you have a little time, could you have a look at it pls? [10:57] relibtoolizing fixed that, though [10:58] phanatic, I'm looking at it... but I am not a MOTU === persia [n=persia@p1119-ipbf510marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-087-082.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@217.10.120.179] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] hello masters === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@Gac7f.g.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] ... eeeehm..... would somebody like to take a look at the quake3 package i uploaded to revu.tauware.de? *smiiiiiiiile* [12:27] link? [12:27] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1570 [12:30] i also uploaded a new version of gnome-rdp, if any of the masters have time for it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1576 === carey [n=carey@59.167.30.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] phlaegel: advocated === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] Fuddl, hmm. why there is those quke3-server*.preinst, prerm, postinst, postrm and shlibs if they're empty? [12:47] and there quake3_*.preinst, prerm and shlibs which seem to be empty too [12:47] I don't know the policy, just thinking :) [12:47] teprrr: they are not available in the package === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] hmm [12:48] teprrr: it is just the script, which creates them. if they have size 0, then the package does not have them [12:49] teprrr: yepp, no pre* or post* stuff is in the source package [12:49] oh, okay.. the package of mine doesn't have those though: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1568 === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.1.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef_aw [n=loic@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa135.1.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aa_ [n=ali@host81-153-25-46.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] morning \sh [01:24] <\sh> moins === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] hi ajmitch, hi \sh [01:28] hello siretart [01:28] <\sh> moins siretart === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] <\sh> oergs mail time :) === sovvy2009 [n=sovvy200@82-37-32-193.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-67-145-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] night all [01:48] bye ajmitch [01:48] ajmitch: night [01:48] gn8 ajmitch [01:49] <\sh> ajmitch: sleep well :) [02:01] hello MOTU [02:01] got a question [02:01] night ajmitch [02:01] what you guys do when you want to change name of package? [02:01] marcin`: first - why do you want to change the name of a package ? [02:01] a source package or a binary? [02:02] how you count releases? what about changelog? [02:03] Yagisan: hmm for example to use different name convention [02:03] tseng: both === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] marcin`: is this package from debian ? [02:05] Yagisan: kind of... [02:06] Yagisan: there are packages that are available in debian and some new packages [02:06] marcin`: wishlist bug + very good reason @ debian bts [02:06] marcin`: new packages - not in ubuntu already ? [02:06] I'm just going to upload a bunch of packages to REVU... [02:06] Yagisan: yes not in ubuntu and not in debian [02:07] Yagisan: but related to some infrastructure that is already available in debian and ubuntu [02:07] marcin`: the new packages - different source to the debian packages ? [02:07] Yagisan: it's about Emacs [02:08] Yagisan: I would like to package some *.el files and tools for Emacs [02:08] Yagisan: but also repackage some existing debs [02:08] marcin`: name the new packages consistently with existing package names if possible [02:08] Yagisan: and that the problem [02:08] marcin`: why repackage ? === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] Yagisan: because in fact I don't see any naming convention for emacs packages [02:09] Yagisan: it's just chaos and mess [02:09] Yagisan: this is why I would like to change names of some existing packages [02:09] marcin`: repackaging that sounds like unnecessarily divergence from upstream === minghua heard there is an emacs policy [02:09] never read it though [02:09] marcin`: wishlist bug + very good reason @ debian bts + patch may help [02:10] minghua: there is emacs policy - but it's related to how emacs packages install and uninstall libraries [02:10] minghua: and about emacsen-common scrpits [02:10] marcin`: okay. I am really not familar with that part at all [02:10] Yagisan: why repackage: 1. because I want to use cdbs in rules [02:11] Yagisan: 2. because there is a lot of things in emacs packages that just don't work at all [02:11] marcin`: so what - upstream will eat you for eat - it becomes your baby for life [02:11] s/for eat/for that [02:11] marcin`: fixing is good, changing upstreams build system without discussing it with them is bad [02:12] marcin`: they have already complained about it [02:12] Yagisan: 3. bacause there is a big mess in emacs packages especially in names [02:12] Yagisan: for example you got pretty simple naming convention for libs*, python2.*-*, perl*-* etc.... [02:13] Yagisan: but emacs is just mess [02:13] Yagisan: anyway - this is why I want to upload this to REVU - to start discussion - right? [02:13] marcin`: no doubt, but because we are taking this from debian, it is much much much easier for us, if we can get debian to do the renaming [02:13] marcin`: are you on the ubuntu-motu mailing list ? [02:14] marcin`: an email there will get you responses from real MOTU's not an apprentice like me [02:15] marcin`: but as I said, name your new packages as you like [02:15] Yagisan: ok, I'll do [02:15] Yagisan: but my question was - what you do when you want to change name [02:15] Yagisan: what you do with changelog [02:15] marcin`: yes, I know - but the why is important [02:16] marcin`: I only know how to change binary names [02:16] Yagisan: and what you do with release numbers... [02:16]