[12:48] <michael__> hey mhz
[12:50] <mhz> re
[12:51] <michael__> re?
[12:52] <mhz> hey
[12:52] <michael__> :-p
[12:52] <michael__> jsut found out how ot amke abrowser using libmozilla
[12:52] <mhz> it is used to say "I know I said hi before so now I want to state I am back"
[12:52] <michael__> make*
[12:53] <michael__> o ok
[03:25] <konfuzed> any moodle users here
[05:14] <Yagisan> mhz, did you ever watch any iron chef ?
[05:15] <mhz> Yagisan: hi there
[05:15] <mhz> just the begining of the one I downloaded
[05:16] <mhz> I got to the presentation parts
[05:17] <Yagisan> mhz: which episode was it ?
[05:17] <mhz> Yagisan: would you check the iptables setting I am using?
[05:17] <Yagisan> mhz: sure
[05:17] <mhz> Yagisan: hmmmm, not remember at this particular moment
[05:18] <mhz> accept DCC?
[05:18] <Yagisan> mhz: yes
[05:19] <mhz> knocking on your door
[05:21] <Yagisan> mhz: well, I clicked ok - and am waiting for the transfer to begin
[05:21] <Yagisan> mhz: perhaps email ?
[05:22] <mhz> okis
[05:23] <mhz> Yagisan: is it down? http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi
[05:24] <Yagisan> mhz: no
[05:25] <Yagisan> mhz: but my upstream pipe has been getting hammered for 3 days now =-O
[05:26] <mhz> Yagisan: a happy email is at your door
[05:37] <Yagisan> mhz: want an easier solution ?
[05:39] <mhz> heheheh sure
[05:39] <Yagisan> mhz: arno's iptables firewall
[05:39] <Yagisan> mhz: I'll find you a link
[05:40] <mhz> oki
[05:40] <mhz> but is the file ok?
[05:40] <Yagisan> mhz: I run in on my box - customised a bit
[05:40] <mhz> but is the file I sent ok?
[05:41] <Yagisan> mhz: seems ok
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz: http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/iptables-firewall/arno-iptables-firewall-1.8.5-rc4.tgz
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz: there is a .deb here http://rocky.eld.leidenuniv.nl/iptables-firewall/arno-iptables-firewall_1.8.4d-1_all.deb
[05:45] <Yagisan> but I've never used it
[05:46] <Yagisan> actually - didn't know it existed until now
[05:46] <mhz> :)
[05:46] <mhz> okis, thx
[05:46] <mhz> I'll take a look
[05:47] <Yagisan> mhz: has an easy to adjust config file and works well
[05:47] <Yagisan> mhz: no gui though, so prepare for the cli
[05:47] <Yagisan> :)
[05:48] <mhz> lol
[05:58] <Yagisan> bye all - be back later
[06:02] <Travis_> has anyone considered making a server version of edubuntu? with like ldap, a student information system, samba domain controller etc.? for schools to use on their server?
[06:02] <Travis_> with really easy setup
[06:02] <mhz> yes, Travis_ 
[06:02] <Travis_> similar to novell stuff
[06:02] <mhz> it's been discussed
[06:02] <mhz> sometimes
[06:02] <Travis_> is there any work in progress?
[06:03] <mhz> not that I know of, but I do know it is in part a goal of SchoolTool
[06:03] <Travis_> I am considering network administration as a career and I hate how much it costs to deploy a network using novell etc.
[06:03] <mhz> me too
[06:03] <Travis_> I tried setting up my own server with ldap
[06:03] <Travis_> worked decent but I need to find a free student information system that would integreat well with LDAP
[06:04] <Travis_> I have tons of ideas just no way to pursue them
[06:05] <Travis_> schooltool looks kind of lacking
[06:05] <mhz> actually, I had a 'customer' who payed me to show him and demo diff Linux based alternatives to his current IT solutions. In the end, his boss refused to migrate because they only were saving U$55,000 a year. That was not big deal because they made that much in 2 days
[06:05] <Travis_> its just like a schedule
[06:05] <mhz> so no need to worry endusers
[06:06] <Travis_> yeah businesses that make tons of money I can understand paying
[06:06] <mhz> Travis_: SchoolTool has objectives for enrollement, students info, etc
[06:06] <mhz> however, e-groupware may be goodfor you
[06:06] <Travis_> but schools, I think the money should be used on hardware
[06:06] <mhz> yup
[06:07] <Travis_> does egroupware intergreat with samba?
[06:07] <Travis_> err
[06:07] <Travis_> ldap
[06:07] <mhz> yup
[06:07] <mhz> well, so does Evolution :)
[06:08] <mhz> very cool
[06:08] <mhz> all web
[06:08] <Travis_> by integrate I mean like create ldap users?
[06:08] <mhz> iirc, yes
[06:08] <Travis_> iirc?
[06:10] <Travis_> I'll try it out
[06:11] <mhz> if i remember correctly :)
[06:11] <mhz> sorry
[06:12] <Travis_> what is iirc?
[06:12] <mhz> if i remember correctly :)
[06:12] <mhz> Travis_: did you understand it?
[06:13] <Travis_> oh
[06:13] <Travis_> lol
[06:13] <Travis_> I feel dumb now
[06:13] <Travis_> I'll try school tool first
[06:14] <mhz> Travis_: SchoolTool is 'default' in Edubuntu
[06:14] <Travis_> sadly I don't have edubuntu
[06:14] <mhz> it is not 'mature' but it does have lot of potential
[06:14] <Travis_> isn't edubuntu a desktop OS?
[06:14] <Travis_> not server?
[06:14] <konfuzed> whats school tool
[06:14] <konfuzed> for
[06:15] <Travis_> looks like a student information grade booking schedule deal
[06:15] <Travis_> which is exactly what I am looking for
[06:15] <mhz> Edubuntu = 100% Ubuntu + special LTSP + edu-apps + some wallpapers
[06:15] <Travis_> wanna see if it integrates with ldap or anything
[06:15] <Travis_> honestly I have never liked linux for school desktop OS
[06:15] <mhz> Travis_: see? I told you :D
[06:16] <konfuzed> i also just read above a bit which says some about school tools
[06:16] <Travis_> http://www.schooltool.org
[06:16] <konfuzed> have you compared moodle ?
[06:16] <mhz> konfuzed: SchoolTool is a project, aimed to help on  student information grade booking schedule, etc
[06:16] <Travis_> it needs to add a lunch service
[06:17] <mhz> konfuzed: Moodle, Claroline and dotLRN are very good LMS
[06:17] <Travis_> I just wonder if it creates and ldap account or how it manges that stuff
[06:17] <mhz> Travis_: you can ask in #schooltool
[06:17] <Travis_> oh
[06:17] <konfuzed> hmm interesting
[06:18] <konfuzed> is schooltool using or based on egroupware?
[06:18] <mhz> konfuzed: sooner or later, SchoolTool will integrate with an LMS
[06:18] <konfuzed> hm
[06:18] <mhz> but for now, they have to continue with their roadmap ans see more about Moodle 1.6
[06:18] <mhz> konfuzed: nope
[06:18] <konfuzed> I setup moodle as a live performance venue and like it very much so would recommend it to real schools aswell
[06:19] <mhz> konfuzed: SL is made on Python and Zope
[06:19] <mhz> and uses ZODB
[06:19] <mhz> konfuzed: all the 3 LMS I mentioned are very very good. Each has its way into specifics
[06:19] <konfuzed> then around the same tim edecided to put ubuntu on systems if somebody gets one from me
[06:20] <mhz> but they all work very well
[06:20] <konfuzed> then discovered edubuntu and then last month I see moodle is a project on the edubuntu site
[06:21] <konfuzed> so it all wraps together rather nicely that way
[06:22] <mhz> yup
[06:22] <mhz> the idea is we endup with a lot to offer to Education and learning
[06:22] <mhz> EdubuntuStudyContent is just one of those many ideas
[06:23] <konfuzed> hm havenet seen that  ESC yet
[06:23] <mhz> it's a page in the wiki
[06:23] <mhz> we have done nothing about it
[06:23] <mhz> yet
[06:24] <mhz> because I have not had time to write about it and encourage people to join efforts for it
[06:25] <Travis_> what does moodle do?
[06:25] <Travis_> never tried it
[06:25] <mhz> it is a LMS
[06:25] <Travis_> Learning ________ System?
[06:25] <Travis_> or something?
[06:25] <mhz> Managing
[06:25] <Travis_> oh due
[06:25] <mhz> Management
[06:25] <Travis_> duh*
[06:25] <Travis_> like CMS
[06:26] <mhz> yup
[06:26] <mhz> or DMS
[06:26] <konfuzed> it does room bookings and student registration and paymnet with ecom
[06:26] <mhz> (i made last one out!)
[06:26] <mhz> :D
[06:26] <mhz> among other things
[06:27] <konfuzed> and has a grading system of some sort I suppose that is govt approved in many places called SCORM
[06:27] <mhz> well guys, time to hit the envelope (02:27 am)
[06:27] <mhz> and it has a wiki
[06:27] <mhz> among other things
[06:27] <konfuzed> sorry vibrate toll 3:33 over here
[06:27] <mhz> heheh
[06:27] <mhz> bye all
[06:31] <konfuzed> hey travis check out my first moodle site   http://OpenNetRadio.com
[06:31] <Travis_> k
[06:51] <Travis_> back so soon?
[06:52] <mhz> i forgot one thing :)
[04:23] <Yagisan> mhz: ping
[04:23] <mhz> Yagisan: wow!
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: yes I'm still up
[04:24] <Yagisan> mhz: how did the firewall turn out ?
[04:25] <mhz> Yagisan: eventhoug I give you that the script you suggested is aimed to make life easier, I still prefer to learn what to do by hand, and once I have a decent knowledge, then use the script :0)
[04:26] <Yagisan> mhz: I like to do things by hand too - but it is a good script. I've sent patches in for it in the past, part of why I suggested it to you.
[04:26] <Yagisan> mhz: do you run breezy ?
[04:27] <Yagisan> mhz: if so, I have a little favour to ask you
[04:27] <mhz> yup
[04:27] <mhz> shoot
[04:27] <Yagisan> mhz: are you familiar with my games repo ?
[04:28] <spacey> good afternoon 
[04:28] <Yagisan> G'day spacey
[04:28] <Yagisan> mhz: I take your silence as a no
[04:28] <mhz> spacey: hi
[04:29] <mhz> Yagisan: hehe, nope.
[04:29] <Yagisan> mhz: I need some volunteers to test if I set my dedicated server up correctly
[04:29] <Yagisan> mhz: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi/community-projects/yagisan-s-doomsday-for-debian-ubuntu/
[04:30] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm hoping that some ubuntu using volunteers could perhaps try joining my server
[04:30] <Yagisan> mhz: and tell me if I screwed it up or not
[04:35] <Yagisan> mhz: in a nutshell. install game. connect. try to shoot. If you can shoot :) if not :(
[04:36] <mhz> hehhe
[04:36] <mhz> ah, very simple
[04:36] <mhz> so I just install the thing adding repos to my sourcelist
[04:36] <mhz> and then try to play
[04:37] <mhz> that's it?
[04:37] <Yagisan> mhz: basically - yes
[04:37] <mhz> cool
[04:37] <mhz> played
[04:38] <mhz> just have patience because this is VERY new to me now
[04:38] <Yagisan> mhz: no worries
[04:39] <Yagisan> mhz: ubuntu has many nice games, this one can't go in yet because of license problems, but that is getting fixed, so maybe dapper + 1
[04:39] <Yagisan> mhz: but it's my baby
[04:40] <Yagisan> mhz: my only relaxation that works on a p2 233
[04:40] <mhz> wow! maybe it will work here too
[04:40] <mhz> Yagisan: you said that maybe rsync would keep the whole system synced
[04:40] <mhz> (providing I dont copy /proc)
[04:43] <Yagisan> mhz: possibly - I still don't remember the name of the two way rsync application :(
[04:44] <mhz> no problem
[04:44] <mhz> I have a good book that expalins many usage for rsync
[04:45] <Yagisan> mhz: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[04:46] <misiek> hi evryone, i would like to know the difference between ubuntu and edubuntu
[04:46] <Yagisan> mhz: that was the program I was trying to remember
[04:46] <Yagisan> misiek: edubuntu is ubuntu + ltsp + education utilities + nicer artwork
[04:46] <Yagisan> ;)
[04:47] <Yagisan> mhz: unison is in universe
[04:48] <misiek> thanks
[04:48] <Yagisan> misiek: you can change ubuntu to edubuntu by installing the edubuntu-desktop package
[04:49] <misiek> so basically edubuntu is slightly more then ubuntu but you can make ubuntu into edubuntu right?
[04:50] <Yagisan> misiek: yes
[04:50] <Yagisan> misiek: it is ubuntu + extras for education
[04:51] <Yagisan> misiek: like kubuntu is ubuntu + kde (slightly simplified, but you should get the point)
[04:51] <misiek> do you know about whether kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde?
[04:52] <Yagisan> misiek: look up ^^ :)
[04:56] <misiek> i know its a edubuntu channel, but i figured you would be informed.... 
[04:57] <Yagisan> misiek: I said it was basically ubuntu + kde
[04:57] <Yagisan> misiek: uses the kde version of the ubuntu applications
[04:57] <Yagisan> misiek: you must have looked too far up ;)
[04:58] <misiek> oh sorry i missed that in the mist of textual information =)
[04:58] <misiek> yeah
[04:59] <Yagisan> misiek: myself - I use a mix of apps from ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu
[04:59] <misiek> which apps would you suggest?
[05:00] <Yagisan> misiek: k3b is a good cd burning app, evolution is nice for email
[05:00] <Yagisan> misiek: both firefox and konquereor are good www browsers
[05:36] <misiek> maybe you could help me with a webcam problem - it freezes the system when testing in media selector
[05:37] <Yagisan> misiek: I can't sorry. two reasons. 1) I don't have a webcam, and 2) it's 3:40am I should be in bed or my wife will divorce me
[05:38] <Yagisan> night all
[06:36] <michael__> ye Guyz
[06:36] <michael__> guys
[06:36] <michael__> hey
[08:57] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[09:18] <lucasvo> juhu, I got the ubuntu.ch domain!!!!
[09:18] <lucasvo> juliux: ping!
[09:18] <juliux> lucasvo, pong
[09:18] <juliux> lucasvo, great
[09:18] <lucasvo> juliux: now, I would like to make an loco ch
[09:18] <juliux> lucasvo, hehe
[09:19] <lucasvo> get the domain ubuntuusers.ch
[09:19] <lucasvo> juliux: where do you host ubuntuusers.de?
[09:19] <juliux> lucasvo, on own servers in france
[09:19] <lucasvo> ok
[09:20] <juliux> lucasvo, but you can ask smurf to get some webspace, if there is a locoteam ch
[09:20] <juliux> lucasvo, smurf is the leader of the locoteams
[09:20] <lucasvo> ok
[09:23] <mpt> Don't be a eunuch, be an ubuntuch!
[09:35] <owner> lol mpt
[09:36] <owner> Linux 2.6.14-archck7 [i686/3.00GHz/SMP] 
[09:46] <lucasvo> juliux: is there a way, how to send an email to all ubuntuusers.de user which live in CH?
[09:51] <juliux> lucasvo, hm i dont think that this is possible
[09:51] <juliux> lucasvo, open a thread
[09:51] <owner> ive never used edubuntu
[09:51] <owner> whats it like
[09:51] <owner> compared to regular ubuntu
[09:53] <lucasvo> owner: it has installed education apps and supports LTSP
[09:54] <owner> do any of you use it in schools
[09:54] <owner> or etc
[09:54] <lucasvo> not me
[09:54] <lucasvo> I use it at home