[12:02] <jc-denton> thx
[12:05] <mxpxpod> tseng: do you use spamassassin?
[12:05] <tseng> mxpxpod: no, i got tired of fooling around with all that stuff
[12:05] <tseng> gmail does it for free
[12:05] <mxpxpod> tseng: heh
[12:06] <tseng> without draining my time and server resources
[12:06] <mxpxpod> tseng: no, I meant on your client
[12:06] <mxpxpod> with evo
[12:06] <tseng> oh, definately not
[12:06] <tseng> i have 5 pcs between work and home, client side anything is out
[12:07] <mxpxpod> heh
[12:07] <tseng> dinner
[12:07] <tseng> mxpxpod: cya
[12:08] <Den> tseng: Ahhh - I was just told the same thing in real life!!!
[12:10] <Den> Anyone know if the  dapper daily live iso built properly today?  I see the timestamp on the archive is today. Is there any way to tell if the build completed properly?
[12:18] <jc-denton> humm
[12:18] <jc-denton> i upgraded
[12:19] <jc-denton> but now i get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/huKDEI45.html
[12:29] <jc-denton> well i'll probably try later
[12:29] <jc-denton> but first thx a lot for help
[12:34] <AlinuxOS> alive?
[01:47] <kent> hmm.  the new update manager by michael vogt seems to ask me for my root-password, which i dont have enabled on a default breezy.  Running with sudo seems to work though.
[01:56] <johnl> i386 flight cd3 b0rks on boot for me (well before any gui might appear) with "no record for /block/ram0 in database" messages followed by  "can't access tty" message.  this is with an external usb cd drive.
[01:57] <johnl> this a known issue?  I see mention of initramfs broken in the topic...
[01:59] <johnl> on an ibm x40 laptop
[02:51] <shaya> anyone around
[02:51] <shaya> can someone try typing 44 - 44 (enter) in gcalctool and see if it works?
[02:51] <shaya> wondering if I'm going nuts
[02:58] <kent> 44-44 is 0 in my gcalctool. :)
[03:07] <LaserJock> is xserver-common gone for good? should we replace build-deps with x-common instead?
[03:10] <tseng> x11-common, no?
[03:11] <LaserJock> tseng: ok, yeah. Why does that keep changing?
[03:12] <tseng> x-commono + xserver-common = x11-common
[03:12] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[03:46] <shaya> kent: hmm, something must be wrong, keep getting invalid expression
[03:47] <shaya> malformed expression that is
[03:48] <kent> shaya, this is not supportchannel. ask in #ubuntu.  (and are you sure you are typing in the correct expressions then?)
[03:48] <shaya> yes
[03:48] <shaya> weird
[03:48] <shaya> unsure
[03:48] <shaya> not asking for support
[03:49] <shaya> I guess I dont understand what the "use arithmetic precedence" option means
[03:49] <shaya> as it messes things up
[03:50] <kent> if you dont know what it is, why are you using it then?
[03:50] <shaya> good Q, wondering how it got set
[03:50] <shaya> I assume it lets you right an entire equation
[03:50] <shaya> but a normal x-y (enter) doesn't work with it enables
[03:51] <shaya> but works fine without it enabled
[03:51] <shaya> just dont see the entire equation
[05:36] <Mez> doko: ping
[06:04] <psusi> isn't partman the partitioner used in the setup cd?  why doesn't it have a -udeb target package?
[06:53] <Mez> Kamion, ping
[07:40] <StevenK> doko: Any plans to upload a vnc4 that doesn't FTBFS? Since it should also stop depending on xserver-common.
[08:24] <Mithrandir> Den: now I am.
[08:50] <Den> Mithrandir: Hey! (I gotta find out how to get Konversation to beep me when I'm mesaged)
[08:51] <Den> Mithrandir: Anyway  - how's the iso build going?  I saw the timestamps updated in dapper-live, and did an rsync, which only dl's about 500KB, iirc.
[08:52] <Den> Mithrandir: but I didn't get an email from you yet, so I was waiting a bit in the hopes I'd ge an email, & would know if the iso built ok & I should burn it & try it.
[08:52] <Mithrandir> Den: yeah, image still failing to build; some xine stuff is uninstallable.
[08:52] <Mithrandir> Den: the timestamp is misleading.  It uses the last successfully built image.
[08:53] <Den> Mithrandir: Ah. .... 1) do you have ian iso I can dl directly from you (as we tried last week)
[08:53] <Mithrandir> Den: no, sorry
[08:54] <Mithrandir> Den: though, I verified that the image booted on my machine with an ieee1394 drive, so it should be good to go.
[08:54] <Den> Mithrandir: 2) Is there a way I can look at the dapper-live-iso webpage & tell by myself if it built ok (so I can know I should try to rsync & burn & try)?
[08:55] <Den> Mithrandir: Can I get that iso from you that you verified worked ok?  (Is that the question you said "no" to?)
[08:55] <Mithrandir> Den: it's on a machine in the office, I can give it to you tomorrow.
[08:56] <Den> Mithrandir: Ok, that's fine.  Will    you email me & le me know the details of the dl link, & anything else I should know?
[08:57] <Den> Mithrandir: Cant you ssh into your office machine & set up a link for me to dl from?
[08:57] <Mithrandir> Den: sure
[08:57] <Mithrandir> Den: no, I don't have ssh through the FW enabled.
[08:57] <Den> Mithrandir: I am shocked! :)
[08:58] <Den> Mithrandir: BTW, iirc, you're in Norway. & you work for ubuntu. & cannonical is ubuntu.  & cannonical is in isle of mann.   & is that where your office is?
[09:00] <Mithrandir> Den: my office is just downtown here in Oslo.
[09:00] <Den> Mithrandir: Is that an ubuntu office?
[09:01] <Mithrandir> Den: the people working from Canonical are mostly working from home, but I and a some of the UK people are working from a real office.
[09:01] <Mithrandir> Den: no, it's a company I helped start a few years back and I still do occasional sysadmin stuff for them.  In return, I have my workplace there.
[09:01] <Den> Mithrandir: Also, how come you are able to get the iso to build at your office, but it won't build on the dapper-live iso server?
[09:02] <Mithrandir> Den: because on the server, I can't do evil tricks and upgrades, it's a fresh install
[09:03] <Den> Mithrandir: is it a matter of on your system you cut out the bad parts that block the build on the iso at the server?
[09:05] <Mithrandir> Den: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/dapper_probs.html ; if you look at that page, ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable.  As long as it stays that way, new live fs builds will fail.
[09:12] <Den> Mithrandir: Remember about a week ago we discussed a bit about that "base" system, and was there a way to build that into a bootable iso.  I think we stopped talking about that cause you thought the reqular dapper iso was about to be properly built.  Givne that that looks unlikley right now, is it possible to build that "base" iso, so I can a) make sure the boot from firewire scsi cd works, and then when that's ok, b: try the latest ker
[09:12] <Den> ile on external disk - disconnected" problem BenC told me to get the latest kernel for.?
[09:12] <lifeless> doko: around ?
[09:13] <Mithrandir> Den: yes, it's possible, no, I can't do it.  If you download an ISO, replace the casper/filesystem.squashfs file on it with the base file you downloaded, that should work.
[09:14] <Den> Mithrandir: Please clarify:
[09:15] <Den> Mithrandir: 1) You cant do it cause it's impossible, or work constraints, or???
[09:15] <Mithrandir> Den: because I'm not the one who has set up the cd build system.
[09:16] <Den> Mithrandir: 2) If i dl _which_ iso?  From _where_?  Replace the file with _what_ "base file I dld"?
[09:17] <Mithrandir> Den: I'm sorry, but it's a sunday for me and I don't have time for hand-holding you through the process of rebuilding an ISO image.
[09:17] <Den> Mithrandir: Can you, & would it be worth it, for you to get whatever is needed to do it?
[09:17] <Den> Mithrandir: Ok.  May I save those questions for your work day, & ask you then?
[10:02] <doko> lifeless: good morning
[10:02] <doko> Mez: pong
[10:03] <doko> StevenK: hmm, not really. the current one includes it's own XFree86 source, needs to be changed to use the xorg server
[10:06] <Mez> doko: is libstdc++5 going to be removed from ubuntu ?
[10:07] <doko> Mez: for dapper it probably will stay in universe
[10:08] <Mez> doko: I'm jsut wondering - as I've come across a package that is in non-free (rar) that requres libstdc++5 (binary package!)
[10:12] <doko> Mez: that probably should be rebuild using the default g++
[10:12] <Mez> doko - upstream havent done it yet
[10:12] <Mez> and they dont distribute the source
[10:12] <Mez> damn non-free
[10:14] <zyga> hello
[10:22] <pef> hello
[10:29] <lifeless> hey doko
[10:29] <ajmitch> evening
[10:29] <lifeless> so I wanted to chat about the python install method/policy
[10:29] <lifeless> I had a semi-flame chat on debian-devel a few weeks back, which actually resulted in a good idea or two
[10:30] <lifeless> hey ajmitch 
[10:31] <Mez> hmm
[10:32] <Mez> does anyone on here have a seen script?
[10:32] <Mez> !seen infinity
[10:35] <doko> lifeless: yes, and the the current one on debian-python
[10:35] <lifeless> doko: I guess I should read that ;)
[10:35] <lifeless> doko: I was thinking I could run the core of what came up past you and then you'll know
[10:35] <doko> I have to run now, let' try to make it this evening (UTC)?
[10:35] <lifeless> rather than me getting deep into it
[10:36] <lifeless> tomorrow morning UTC perhaps ?
[10:36] <lifeless> I have a late night tomorrow due to back to back meetings from 9-10 UTC and 11-12 UTC
[10:36] <lifeless> so 10-11 UTC - anytime in there 
[10:37] <doko> lifeless: would be fine, I have to get a new passport before, not sure if I'm excatly back at 10
[10:38] <lifeless> k
[11:08] <irvin> mvo
[11:38] <zyga> any rosetta devs around?
[12:08] <mdke> seems that the link to planet on the wiki (planet.ubuntulinux.org) goes to the fridge (jdub)
[12:35] <Mez> elmo: just to let you know I'm now recieiving katie emails again - so forget about trying to fix it - it seems to have fixed itself now I'm on a new host - I guess i had something wrong on my old one
[12:44] <sivang> anybody see pitti, tell him I am looking for him :)
[12:44] <tseng> sivang: it is sunday
[12:53] <sivang> tseng: yes I know, he rarely, but do comes online on sunday , so I tried my luck
[01:25] <irvin> sivang, here comes pitti 
[01:25] <Tm_T> run! hide!
[01:26] <Tm_T> err
[01:26] <Tm_T> irvin: thanks for warning, we're secure now
[01:27] <pitti> hello everybody
[01:28] <sivang> pitti: hi! :)
[04:55] <psusi> how is it that partman, which is used by the setup cd, has no udeb?  it's control file only builds a non udeb target
[04:56] <azeem> psusi: there are several other partman-* packages with .udebs I believe
[04:56] <azeem> unless things have changed at some point
[04:56] <psusi> apt-cache search partman shows only the one
[04:57] <azeem> does apt-cache return .udebs?
[04:57] <psusi> wait... damnit... yea, I need it to search for source packages, not binaries
[04:58] <psusi> hrm... how do you do that?
[04:58] <azeem> grep-dctrl or something, maybe
[04:58] <psusi> and... why is it broken up into more than one source package anyhow?  rather than one source that builds both binaries?
[04:58] <azeem> no idea
[05:00] <psusi> looks like apt-cache -s search partman should do it... but it's being a jackass and saying partman is an invalid operation
[05:01] <psusi> like it's treating it like a command instead of a parameter to the search command
[05:04] <psusi> nevermind...
[05:05] <torkel> psusi: drop '-s'
[05:06] <psusi> torkel, I thought it was to ask it to search for source packages... it isn't... I'm trying to get it to search for source packages
[05:08] <torkel> psusi: -s is not for searching source packages
[05:10] <pabs3> hi all, should I be surprised that launchpad isn't in sync with packages.ubuntu.com? for example http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/xchat https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xchat
[05:16] <psusi> torkel, right... that's what I just said... so how DO you search on source packages? :)
[05:17] <azeem> 16:52 < azeem> grep-dctrl or something, maybe
[05:26] <psusi> I don't have a control file to grep, that's the point, I'm trying to find the source file which contains the control
[05:27] <psusi> s/file/package
[05:27] <psusi> wait...
[05:29] <Chipzz> psusi: apt-cache show $package
[05:30] <Chipzz> or dpkg -s $package if it's installed
[05:30] <psusi> Chipzz, I don't know the name of the package, I'm searching for it...
[05:30] <Chipzz> what do you know?
[05:31] <psusi> I know partman is used in the setup cd, but when I apt-get source partman, it gives me the sources only for the non udeb package... which is weird... someone sugested that there's a seperate source package for the setup udeb
[05:31] <psusi> so I'm looking for source packages that contain partman in their name ;)
[06:20] <mdke> pef_aw, i can hibernate here now
[06:21] <mdke> it's slow, but it works
[06:21] <pef> mdke: have you changed something special ?
[06:22] <mdke> upgraded
[06:23] <pef> mdke: new kernel or acpi-support package ?
[06:24] <mdke> oh damn wrong channel
[08:44] <towolf> Salve, how do I get /proc/bus/usb/* back?
[08:48] <towolf> oh, usbfs isn't mounted? well...
[10:05] <matchthis> must go today message me if interestedon aim at mikcomputing, msn at mcsltd3@hotmail.com or yahoo at mcsltd2 only if your interested and want to buy! .  prices are 550 each includes shipping case and wireless router.2 alienware products, 1 area51-m 5700 notebook, and one area51 7500 desktop tower system.  
[10:44] <moyogo> hi
[10:44] <moyogo> there's a license problem with a font package
[10:49] <Kamion> Mez: yes?
[10:50] <moyogo> the ttf-arabeyes packages uses Bitstream Vera glyphs for Basic Latin characters
[10:50] <moyogo> but ttf-arabeyes is GPL
[10:50] <moyogo> it should be BitStreamVera License + GPL
[11:41] <irvin> mvo: ping?
[11:42] <mvo> irvin: pong
[11:44] <irvin> mvo: about the update-manager... http://netgarage.thefluxproject.com/dump/shots/ubuntu/update-manager/wtf.png
[11:46] <mvo> irvin: "proud peacock" is a test-distro that should never be shown
[11:46] <mvo> I assume you use my backport for update-manager?
[11:47] <irvin> mvo: yes i was testing it last night and two days before that. 
[11:47] <mvo> irvin: and you got that instead of 'dapper'? did it happen on dapper? or breezy?
[11:48] <irvin> mvo: i did get "dapper".
[11:48] <Amaranth> lmao
[11:48] <Amaranth> New distro release codename 'cock'
[11:48] <irvin> mvo: i was on breezy then. 
[11:49] <mvo> Amaranth: the  "proud peacock" release 
[11:49] <mvo> irvin: then you moved to dapper and got the other one?
[11:50] <irvin> mvo: no. i was planning to upgrade to dapper last night using update-manager but i got that instead :(
[11:50] <mvo> irvin: so you are still on breezy?
[11:51] <irvin> mvo: not anymore. i couldn't wait to i popped in a cd and upgraded. 
[11:52] <irvin> mvo: i'm gonna test your script generator on synaptic =)
[11:52] <mvo> irvin: I see, I think I know what happend. after you upgraded lsb-release update-manager was assuming you run dapper and checked if there is another upgraded distro release available, it found one (my test-entry) and offered a upgrade
[11:52] <mvo> it's a bug in the update-manager, because it shouldn't allow upgrades to "unsupported" distros (it's flaged unsupported in my test-meta-release file)
[11:52] <mvo> irvin: please do that and let me know if it works well :)
[11:53] <mvo> I'll fix that tomorrow problem with the upgrade tomorrow, sorry for the strangness involved 
[11:54] <irvin> mvo: there was one minor issue though, i had mirrormax backport previously on my (breezy) sources.list, the update-manager died with an error because it couln't find a 'dapper' release on mirrormax
[11:55] <mvo> irvin: thanks, can you please mail me your (old) sources.list? it should be available in /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade
[11:56] <Amaranth> irvin: mirrormax backports are dead
[11:56] <Amaranth> irvin: and this is why 3rd party repos are bad :P
[11:56] <mvo> irvin: I'll fix that issue then too. some people had trouble with the missing "dapper-backports" componenet in the current archive.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <mvo> Amaranth: update-manager tries to detect and disable them ;)
[11:57] <irvin> mvo: yes that one too.
[11:58] <mvo> irvin: please send me your sources.list. did the upgrade otherwise worked? or did you just use the cd after it failed initially?
[11:58] <irvin> i'll email you my old sources.list
[11:59] <irvin> mvo: i used the cd last night, but two days ago it was working.. here are some screenshots: http://netgarage.thefluxproject.com/dump/shots/ubuntu/update-manager
[12:00] <mvo> irvin: would you mind to send me the ~/dist-upgrade.log and ~/dist-upgrade-apt.log as well then? I'm trying to gather some data about the packages that are upgraded/removed etc to see if it makes the right decisions
[12:00] <mvo> irvin: thanks for that link with the screenshots :)
[12:01] <irvin> mvo: ok. i'll send them as well
[12:01] <mvo> btw, do you think it should automatically disable sources in the sources.list it wasn't able to fetch?