[02:35] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek 
[02:36] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock 
[02:36] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[02:37] <robotgeek> busy day today, got to touch the PC only now, and i gotta run for dinnner again
[02:37] <LaserJock> hmm, me too. I just got done putting in a new kitchen fauchet
[02:37] <robotgeek> ah, nice
[02:38] <LaserJock> but I wanted to do some doc work tonight
[02:38] <robotgeek> on the packaging guide?
[02:39] <LaserJock> yes
[02:39] <robotgeek> nice, it served as a good resource (and still does)
[02:40] <LaserJock> did you use the one on doc.ubuntu.com?
[02:40] <robotgeek> yeah, the 'latest' one
[02:40] <LaserJock> I actually haven't read through that all the way 
[02:40] <robotgeek> i got confused by the draft version which was linked from the fridge, IIRC
[02:42] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't know about that
[02:42] <robotgeek> okay LaserJock , i gotta run now. i'll be back later. i did sumbit some corrections to the guide, (typos) , you might wanna look at that, it was last month, i think
[02:43] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok, I might look at them but I'm doing a rewrite so I don't know that it will matter much
[02:43] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. cya later then
[02:43] <LaserJock> cya
[06:52] <mhz> It this useful for the Team purposes if I don't understand DocBook>
[06:52] <mhz> ?
[06:52] <mhz> http://201.215.84.252/tcwiki/FitlChile?action=format&mimetype=xml/docbook
[06:53] <mhz> This DocBook 'format' was generated by MoinMoin
[06:53] <mhz> and if it is of any use... then I can say i can finally collaborate 
[06:54] <mhz> please let me know ASAP
[06:54] <mhz> by all
[06:54] <mhz> bye all
[07:17] <jsgotangco> hi all
[11:51] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco 
[11:52] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:52] <robotgeek> for bugs on documentation?
[11:53] <jsgotangco> more of laptop mission bugs
[11:53] <robotgeek> ah..
[11:53] <robotgeek> i finally joined the "wiki team"
[11:54] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[11:54] <jsgotangco> i've seen a lot of wiki changes
[11:54] <robotgeek> heh, yeah..curse me if anything's wrong :)
[11:58] <mdke> robotgeek, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/News2
[11:58] <robotgeek> mdke: yes, i saw that. thanks
[12:01] <mdke> :)
[12:01] <robotgeek> i keep refreshing that page very often. 
[12:02] <robotgeek> i think you are going to need to add much more, if i stick on to my "one page per day" pace :)
[12:03] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[12:03] <jsgotangco> how's things?
[12:04] <mdke> robotgeek, that's good
[12:04] <mdke> jsgotangco, fine thanks
[12:04] <mdke> robotgeek, WPAHowto isn't in your WifiDocs collection
[12:05] <robotgeek> there are a several more i found after searching more extensively. i need to add them.
[12:05] <mdke> ah cool
[12:05] <robotgeek> mdke: i think it's there, last link first section
[12:06] <mdke> ah i didn't check, i just meant as a subpage
[12:06] <mdke> fine, my bad
[12:06] <robotgeek> i did not want to change the links to those, should i got and add all howto's as a subpage with redirects?
[12:06] <mdke> actually I don't think subpages are such a good idea right now
[12:07] <mdke> there are too many pages
[12:07] <mdke> robotgeek, if you want a good task, it would be to merge all the ndiswrapper pages :D
[12:07] <robotgeek> yeah, i'm refraining since i don't know a awful lot about it. 
[12:07] <robotgeek> but i think i will know enuf after going thru them all 
[12:08] <mdke> heh
[12:09] <mdke> robotgeek, we need to get you involved in docbook too for some official docs action :D
[12:10] <robotgeek> mdke: doc book shouldn't be a problem, though i dunno much about it. i've used html before, and latex too. xml will be similiar, i guess
[12:10] <mdke> yep, it's real easy
[12:10] <mdke> (reboots)
[12:13] <jsgotangco> argghh
[12:13] <jsgotangco> these regressions are irritating me
[12:13] <robotgeek> having other machines around is a good thing then
[12:14] <jsgotangco> yes at least anoter partition if not a new machine
[12:14] <robotgeek> yeah, that too. 
[12:15] <robotgeek> i'm planning to spend some time to get it working on a external usb disk
[12:15] <robotgeek> that way, i can carry it around
[12:16] <robotgeek> lol
[12:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:16] <mdke> jeez
[12:16] <jsgotangco> well
[12:16] <mdke> what are they on
[12:16] <jsgotangco> it needs a lot of anti-aliasing love
[12:17] <jsgotangco> as well as hmmm new colors
[12:17] <mdke> i can see no possible justification for a diagonal bottom line
[12:17] <robotgeek> the old one was very readable, why fix it if it ain't broke?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[12:18] <jsgotangco> at least the logoff/shutdown dialogs are much better
[12:18] <robotgeek> true, i agree with that
[12:18] <mdke> the buttons are too big
[12:18] <robotgeek> it's very slick and *usable*
[12:18] <mdke> and there are too many of em
[12:18] <mdke> but its definitely better
[12:19] <jsgotangco> well its way better than the one that looked like tango icons
[12:20] <mdke> i prefer this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=57474&action=view
[12:20] <mdke> gtg
[12:20] <mdke> shopping
[12:20] <jsgotangco> oh that is nice
[12:20] <robotgeek> later mdke 
[12:21] <robotgeek> windowzy look
[12:21] <robotgeek> or was theat the mac, 
[12:21] <robotgeek> yes, it's a windows look with the mac text, lol
[12:23] <jsgotangco> they call it tango
[12:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:23] <robotgeek> yeah, it takes 2 to tango
[02:03] <mdke> perhaps it is time to drop the html builds from ubuntu-docs now
[02:04] <mdke> yelp seems to have the speed hits in dapper now, so it handles xml much quicker
[02:04] <mdke> jdub, any progress on the ubuntu yelp stylesheets?
[02:16] <jsgotangco> hmm yelp works in dapper?
[02:16] <jsgotangco> last i check it just crashes
[04:23] <SteveMyers> mdke: you have a minute?
[04:23] <mhz> re
[04:23] <mhz> Could anyone read my last question (9 hours ago)?
[04:24] <mdke> SteveMyers, yes shoot
[04:24] <SteveMyers> mind if I pm?
[04:24] <mdke> mhz, i read it, but I don't understand it
[04:24] <mdke> SteveMyers, ok
[04:25] <mdke> mhz, that page has nothing to do with ubuntu/documentation?
[04:26] <mhz> mdke: oh, sure. My question is if people (with no knowledge of DocBook nor XML) like me could use Moin1.5 to provide DockBook output you guys could use
[04:29] <mdke> mhz, ah.. well you can make articles like that and then tidy up the code I suppose
[04:29] <mdke> but it won't help you contribute to existing documents
[04:29] <mhz> hmmm
[04:29] <mdke> docbook xml is so easy to learn though dude
[04:30] <mhz> mdke: why it won't help?
[04:31] <mdke> mhz, because the existing documents are not in Moin, they are already in docbook, and that output is a whole article
[04:31] <mdke> mhz, but seriously, it's SO easy to learn
[04:31] <mhz> ohhh
[04:31] <mdke> if you look at the output, it's basically just like html
[04:31] <mhz> mdke: I know it is tag like
[04:34] <mdke> you just write stuff, and learn as you go along
[04:36] <mhz> okis
[04:36] <mdke> but maybe the moin plugin can help you get used to the tags
[04:39] <mhz> mdke: that was my initial thought
[04:40] <mhz> but if it wont help the docing cause.. I don't see the point of keeping it
[04:40] <mdke> maybe one day the plugin will be so good that we can work directly on a wiki and create xml for the distribution
[04:40] <mdke> but i am fairly sure that day is not here yet
[04:41] <mhz> no problem
[04:41] <mhz> I needed to ask because it looked good to have it as a 'default' option in Moin 1.5
[04:41] <mdke> yeah
[04:41] <_jason> hi everyone, sorry to interrupt (you can get to this whenever you get a minute).  A wiki page I created was added to categoryCleanUp a while ago.  I got around to making some formatting changes.  What's the standard procedure for removing a page from CleanUp.  I would do it myself, but I think it would be a good idea to let you guys see it and suggest if something else should be changed/updated.  Here's the link: https://wiki.ubuntu
[04:42] <mdke> _jason, we missed the end of that, what's the page?
[04:43] <mhz> mdke: Moin guys have tried to let people (with xml knowledge) that Moin 1.5 let them work with DocBook (I imagined it was only a matter of defining s 'sheet' for the output)
[04:43] <_jason> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MX1000Mouse
[04:43] <mhz> let +know
[04:45] <mdke> _jason, looks nice. I would remove the rst stuff, and probably remove all the terminal icons, they get in the way a bit
[04:46] <mdke> _jason, I'll show you what I mean, if you don't mind me editing the page a sec
[04:46] <irvin> j #ubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <_jason> mdke: go for it
[04:47] <mdke> _jason, you are editing it at the moment, I can't edit it
[04:47] <mdke> brb
[04:47] <_jason> mdke: ok, check now
[05:21] <mdke> _jason, I've made a few changes and removed Cleanup
[05:23] <_jason> mdke: alright cool, thanks
[06:35] <mkde> man xchat-gnome rocks
[06:35] <mkde> dunno why people complain
[06:36] <mkde> geez it's absolutely awesome