[12:04] <Kyral> ...Portage...it..is...horribly inefficient...
[12:05] <Kyral> not the compiling thing...but the thing for when you emerge sync, it downloads every file in the Portage tree...
[12:05] <tseng> no it doesnt
[12:05] <tseng> it rsyncs it
[12:06] <Kyral> still ineffiecent...
[12:07] <minghua> if you do it every day, rsync should be quite efficient
[12:08] <minghua> debian/ubuntu still downloads the whole Packages.gz, so it's not necessarily better
[12:08] <Kyral> Packages.gz tends to be smaller...
[12:42] <thierry_> slomo_ : are you there?
[12:46] <thierry_> any MOTU who could review my package?
[12:46] <crimsun> url?
[12:47] <thierry_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1572
[12:47] <crimsun> note that I can't log in to comment due to gpg key issues, but I can certainly note comments
[12:48] <thierry_> k thanks, anyway you did the last comments and I uploaded next to that
[12:52] <crimsun> thierry_: few minor misspellings in debian/libfxruby1.4.1.docbook
[12:52] <crimsun> ("library")
[12:52] <thierry_> k... like what?
[12:52] <thierry_> ho...
[12:52] <thierry_> must be my french side who has difficulty to right english properly :)
[12:53] <crimsun> ;)
[12:53] <thierry_> anything other errors like that?
[12:53] <crimsun> also, try to be consistent with the URIs
[12:53] <thierry_> ?
[12:53] <crimsun> For more information about Ruby, see http://www.ruby-lang.org/ .
[12:53] <crimsun> For more information about FOX, see http://fox-toolkit.org/ .
[12:54] <thierry_> what more could I say?
[12:54] <crimsun> the issue is the missing "http://" for the Ruby line
[12:55] <crimsun> (consistency)
[12:56] <crimsun> in debian/copyright, there's a stray ` on line referring to /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL
[12:59] <crimsun> you'll need to make the same adjustments to debian/control's Descriptions (as far as the URI consistency issue is concerned)
[01:01] <thierry_> k
[01:01] <thierry_> that's all?
[01:01] <thierry_> coming back in 10 minutes
[01:02] <crimsun> it ftbfs in a current dapper pbuilder
[01:03] <crimsun> it dies trying to compile core_wrap.cpp with: include/FXRuby.h:197: error: redefinition of 'VALUE to_ruby(long unsigned int)'
[01:04] <crimsun> (this is on amd64)
[01:04] <crimsun> otherwise the packaging looks fine
[01:50] <marcin`> hi MOTU
[01:50] <marcin`> I got few questions about REVU
[01:51] <marcin`> could someone tell me where can I find my uploads to REVU?
[01:52] <marcin`> I uploaded package.. and have no idea why it doesn't show on tauware.de
[01:53] <Kyral> hmm
[01:54] <LaserJock_away> marcin`: what's the name of the package?
[01:54] <marcin`> LaserJock_away: emacs-circe
[01:55] <marcin`> another thing is that I have no idea how to.... log into revu.tauware.de...
[01:55] <LaserJock> marcin`: you can after your first upload
[01:56] <LaserJock> marcin`: did you upload a source package?
[01:56] <marcin`> LaserJock: yes
[01:56] <marcin`> LaserJock: you mean *_source.changes file?
[01:56] <LaserJock> marcin`: and you sent your gpg key?
[01:57] <marcin`> LaserJock: yup
[01:57] <marcin`> LaserJock: it's required for upload
[01:58] <LaserJock> but you sent it to keyring@tiber.tauware.de ?
[02:01] <LaserJock> marcin`: ^^ ?
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: I got mail from Stefan Potyra
[02:01] <LaserJock> ok
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: and he says that he added my key to keyring
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: and I should be able to make uploads and that's true
[02:01] <marcin`> LaserJock: because I really could upload signed package to revu with dput
[02:02] <LaserJock> ok, so did dput give you any errors?
[02:02] <marcin`> LaserJock: hmm I don't remember, I don't think so
[02:02] <marcin`> LaserJock: result was successfull
[02:03] <marcin`> LaserJock: I can upload this package again...
[02:04] <LaserJock> marcin`: how long has it been?
[02:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: well dput emacs-circe*_source.changes
[02:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: says
[02:04] <marcin`> LaserJock: Already uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <LaserJock> oh, you sent it to Ubuntu
[02:05] <LaserJock> you need to do something like "dput revu *.changes"
[02:05] <LaserJock> note the "revu" part
[02:07] <LaserJock> marcin`: does that make sense?
[02:07] <marcin`> LaserJock: hmm ok
[02:10] <marcin`> LaserJock: ehh it wat my fault
[02:11] <marcin`> LaserJock: I forgot to configure /etc/dput.cf correctly
[02:11] <marcin`> LaserJock: sorry and thanks for help
[02:11] <LaserJock> well, at least you found the problem
[02:12] <LaserJock> marcin`: I see it on REVU now :-)
[02:13] <Kyral> hmm
[02:14] <marcin`> LaserJock: yes I do too
[02:14] <marcin`> LaserJock: and now I got password for revu...
[02:14] <LaserJock> great
[02:14] <LaserJock> marcin`: you should check out the lintian output
[02:16] <marcin`> LaserJock: I just did it
[02:17] <marcin`> ok, I need to go to bed now... I'm pretty tired
[02:17] <LaserJock> marcin`: I think the address for the FSF has changed in debian/copyright
[02:17] <LaserJock> marcin`: ok, np
[02:18] <marcin`> but maybe tomorrow I'll try to upload my entire emacs infrastructure... and of course
[02:18] <marcin`> I'll upload emacs-circe*0ubuntu4 with changes to make lintian happy ;)
[02:39] <LaserJock> so I just used a Christmas Barnes and Noble gift card to by "Python Cookbook". I looks pretty useful
[02:39] <Kyral> It is :D
[02:39] <LaserJock> it's got some stuff on xml-rpc which is cool
[02:42] <LaserJock> maybe eventually I'll be able to write some stuff to interact with launchpad
[02:42] <Kyral> hehe
[02:43] <Kyral> LP++
[03:00] <LaserJock> so what happens if a Universe package's deps are messed up? We can fix it now right?
[03:01] <Kyral> Bug?
[03:01] <LaserJock> is that a bug?
[03:01] <Kyral> is it filed?
[03:01] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't even check. just a sec
[03:01] <Kyral> What package?
[03:02] <LaserJock> oh, yeah, there is a bug
[03:02] <LaserJock> Malone bug 29220
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29220: "vncserver not installable because it depends on xserver-common" Fix req. for: vnc (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/29220
[03:03] <LaserJock> it's really messing me up because I use vnc a lot
[03:03] <StevenK> Oh, I so want to fix it.
[03:03] <Kyral> that package exists
[03:03] <Kyral> xserver-common
[03:03] <LaserJock> no it doesn't
[03:03] <StevenK> Then I get to use my new @u.c address and upload privs.
[03:03] <Kyral> yah it does
[03:03] <LaserJock> Kyral: I don't have it
[03:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: it was replaced with the lates Xorg update
[03:04] <StevenK> xserver-common doesn't exist in dapper, according to packages.u.c
[03:04] <Kyral> oh I haven't sync'd since this morning
[03:04] <LaserJock> it is now something like x-common or xorg-common
[03:04] <LaserJock> well, it's been that way for a few days
[03:05] <Kyral> Tell that to my AptCache
[03:05] <LaserJock> Kyral's apt cache: your full of crap!
[03:05] <Kyral> ...
[03:06] <LaserJock> x-common exists but no xserver-common
[03:07] <LaserJock> so maybe I should fix it
[03:07] <StevenK> I wanna!
[03:07] <Kyral> yh just increment the Ubuntu Revision
[03:07] <StevenK> LaserJock: I got upload privs, I'd like to test them out. :-)
[03:07] <Yagisan> G'day All
[03:08] <LaserJock> StevenK: sure, I don't have upload privs. so you will get it done faster ;-)
[03:08] <StevenK> Ah
[03:08] <LaserJock> Kyral: no ubuntu version, so we get to diverge
[03:09] <StevenK> For vnc?
[03:09] <StevenK> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main vnc 3.3.7-8ubuntu1 (dsc) [696B] 
[03:09] <LaserJock> vnc4
[03:09] <LaserJock> although vnc might have the same problem
[03:09] <StevenK> It does.
[03:10] <LaserJock> StevenK: try apt-cache rdepends xserver-common . What do you get?
[03:11] <StevenK> root@broken:/# apt-cache rdepends xserver-common
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[03:11] <LaserJock> I don't quite get that
[03:12] <LaserJock> that's what I get too, but somebody in -devel the other day got a list of ~ 4 packages
[03:12] <LaserJock> StevenK: are you looking at -devel?
[03:13] <StevenK> root@broken:/# grep-dctrl -sPackage -FDepends 'xserver-common' < /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: meta-ul-desktop-base
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: meta-ul-server-gui
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: tightvncserver
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: vnc4server
[03:13] <StevenK> Package: vncserver
[03:13] <StevenK> And yes, I saw that.
[03:14] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[03:14] <StevenK> I don't know anything about meta-ul-{desktop-base,server-gui}
[03:14] <LaserJock> I wonder why apt-cache rdepends doesn't work
[03:14] <StevenK> But I can certainly fix the three bottom packages.
[03:16] <LaserJock> well that's all I care about ;-)
[03:29] <LaserJock> hmm, stupid memory leak is really bugging me
[03:31] <LaserJock> I wonder if I do a fresh install with Flight3 would help
[04:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: ping?
[04:03] <Kyral> ping?
[04:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: how did you figure out how to use the debian stuff from emacs?
[04:04] <Kyral> Like Debian-Utils?
[04:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:04] <Kyral> M-x deb<tabcomplete from here>
[04:05] <LaserJock> oh, thats pretty easy
[04:05] <LaserJock> I was thinking about an having an excursion into the dark side ;-)
[04:05] <Kyral> ...
[04:06] <LaserJock> hmm, I seem to have a pretty stupid .emacs from somewhere
[04:07] <Kyral> lol
[04:08] <LaserJock> everything is bright blue
[04:08] <Kyral> lol
[04:08] <Kyral> rm .emacs ;P
[04:08] <LaserJock> yeah, I think I have another (or 2)  .emacs I can try :-)
[04:10] <LaserJock> Kyral: are you using the emacs snapshot?
[04:10] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:10] <Kyral> lol
[04:10] <Kyral> last I knew I had emacs21-nox installed
[04:12] <StevenK> Blah, my upload was REJECTed.
[04:12] <Kyral> hah
[04:12] <StevenK> Due to no key, so now I need to bug elmo again.
[04:13] <LaserJock> dang, my aptitude seems to be really messed up
[04:13] <Kyral> lol
[04:15] <LaserJock> StevenK: you gotta get vnc working again, all of my console apps are in bad shape :-(
[04:17] <Kyral> lol
[04:17] <Kyral> FreeNX
[04:20] <LaserJock> does that work well?
[04:20] <Kyral> yah
[04:20] <LaserJock> better than VNC?
[04:20] <Kyral> yah
[04:20] <Kyral> and SECURE
[04:21] <Yagisan> Kyral: amd64 ??
[04:21] <Kyral> x86
[04:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: where do you get it from?
[04:24] <Yagisan> Kyral: why no amd64 ?
[04:24] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[04:24] <LaserJock> doh
[04:29] <psusi> does freenx support ssl?
[04:34] <Yagisan> psusi: AFAIK it runs on SSH only
[04:35] <psusi> bah
[04:45] <LaserJock> well, I'll see how it goes
[04:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't seem to get nx to go through my ssh tunnel (or I'm doing it wrong).
[05:07] <LaserJock> grr, freenx hates me
[05:07] <ajmitch> afternoon
[05:07] <Yagisan> afternoon ajmitch
[05:08] <ajmitch> nice & toasty warm there today?
[05:08] <ajmitch> I heard it was hot in melbourne
[05:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it's about 30 here in Sydney where I am
[05:09] <ajmitch> hm
[05:09] <psusi> LaserJock, you are pointing the client to 127.0.0.1 right?
[05:09] <ajmitch> my friend in melbourne was expecting up to 43 there
[05:10] <psusi> ssl or ipsec are way better
[05:17] <LaserJock> psusi: I have to connect through another computer to get to my FreeNX server computer. A ssh tunnel should work for that right?
[05:18] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[05:18] <bmonty> hey Laserjock
[05:19] <bmonty> evening everyone
[05:19] <psusi> LaserJock, what do you mean "through" another computer?
[05:20] <psusi> when you set up an ssh tunnel, the ssh client listens on localhost and forwards any connections it gets, so you need to tell freenx to connect to localhost
[05:20] <LaserJock> psusi: I have to log into one computer (the uni server) and from there log into my machine
[05:20] <psusi> both with ssh?  why two steps?
[05:21] <LaserJock> psusi: both with ssh, because it is department policy
[05:21] <psusi> that's.... about gay... heh
[05:21] <LaserJock> we can't connect to outside computers directly
[05:21] <psusi> but you should be able to tunnel from localhost to x, then tunnel from x to y
[05:21] <psusi> what nazi decided you shouldn't be able to do that?
[05:21] <\sh> moins
[05:22] <LaserJock> psusi: all the Windows IT guys that get viruses on a daily basis, and the same guys that closed the .torrent and irc ports
[05:22] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[05:22] <psusi> bit torrent can use any port the client chooses... as can irc... but yea... that says enough about the type... morons in other words
[05:23] <psusi> are you sure they have port forwarding enabled on the server then?
[05:23] <LaserJock> psusi: well, soon I will have an iMac at work and I can bring the Ubuntu box home
[05:23] <Amaranth> LaserJock: intel imac?
[05:23] <LaserJock> psusi: I can use VNC by setting up a tunnel
[05:23] <LaserJock> Amaranth: yes
[05:24] <psusi> ok, then freenx should work the same way
[05:24] <LaserJock> psusi: well, I thought so
[05:24] <Amaranth> LaserJock: kick ass
[05:24] <psusi> btw... do they let traffic out on port 80?
[05:24] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I hope so, we got 2
[05:24] <\sh> openmotif is so broken bah
[05:24] <LaserJock> psusi: yes
[05:24] <Amaranth> LaserJock: everything i've seen says they're fast as hell
[05:25] <LaserJock> Amaranth: I'm a little worried about their support for older PPC software
[05:25] <LaserJock> Amaranth: and of course I can't install Ubuntu on it yet
[05:25] <psusi> get a machine outside their retarded network to run an openssl s_server on port 80 tied to a pppd then ppp over ssl to it on port 80 ;)
[05:25] <Amaranth> as long as the software doesn't touch mach, the partition layout, etc it should be fine
[05:26] <ajmitch> psusi: ppp over tcp/ip is evil
[05:26] <Amaranth> iow as long as they stuck to carbon and cocoa
[05:26] <LaserJock> psusi: well, all I have is Windows on the outside until I bring home my work box
[05:26] <bmonty> In general I have found that network admins get upset when you take active measures to circumvent their rules
[05:26] <psusi> ajmitch, it's better than most proprietary VPN solutions
[05:26] <Yagisan> LaserJock: just tell us where to find these systems - we'll open those ports for you >:)
[05:26] <Amaranth> in general i've found that network admins that do things like that don't know enough to catch you
[05:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: umm - don't you use pppoe to connect to the net ?
[05:27] <ajmitch> Yagisan: pppoa
[05:27] <psusi> bmonty, that's the point... if they upset you with their asanine draconian rules, upset them back..
[05:27] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it's about the same overhead
[05:27] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I'm meaning the slowdown of having tcp over tcp
[05:27] <\sh> well...I leave it to the debian maintainer, to fix the breakage...when they deal with modular xorg
[05:28] <psusi> and yea.. if they are stupid enough to believe they are doing some good with those measures, they are too stupid to catch you getting around them ;)
[05:28] <LaserJock> well, luckily freenode has 8001 open so I can irc from work
[05:28] <ajmitch> where a slight slowdown in the base level causes issues
[05:28] <psusi> ppp over what?  what's the a?
[05:28] <psusi> pppoe = gay
[05:28] <Yagisan> ajmitch: ah - I've done things like tcp over udp to get through restrictive networks like that
[05:28] <ajmitch> atm
[05:29] <ajmitch> tcp over udp isn't nearly so bad
[05:29] <bmonty> psusi: I disagree, I generally think the policy of disallow all and allow by exception is the way to go
[05:29] <\sh> bah..watching a movie :)
[05:29] <psusi> pppoe exists soley for the reason that ISPs are stupid and want to use an ethernet network but still have their customers "log in"
[05:29] <Yagisan> psusi: yes - so they can charge you for every little bit of data that passes over their network
[05:29] <bmonty> especially on a production network
[05:29] <psusi> bmonty, for incoming connections sure... not for outgoing... users want to get where they want to go... trying to stop them is futile and annoying
[05:30] <Yagisan> psusi: well - I block outgoing too actually
[05:30] <psusi> Yagisan, which they could very well account for without pppoe
[05:30] <bmonty> except when they are trying to use apps that have the potential to increase risk
[05:30] <LaserJock> hmm, I can't even get nxsetup to work so maybe I have bigger issues
[05:30] <Mez> why is packages.ubuntu.com lagging lately?
[05:31] <ajmitch> Mez: because it's not run by canonical but it's a separate project?
[05:31] <Mez> is it?
[05:31] <Mez> oh
[05:31] <LaserJock> Mez: at leasts it's better than packages.debian.org ;-)
[05:31] <bmonty> anyone having issues using network configuration?
[05:31] <psusi> time to test my custum dmraided flight 3 install cd... bbiab
[05:32] <bmonty> yeah, p.d.o going down was upsetting to me this morning :(
[05:32] <LaserJock> StevenK: so you have to wait for elmo to be able to upload?
[05:37] <LaserJock> does it make sense to set up a tunnel for port 22 when ssh is running on port 22?
[05:37] <bmonty> outbound traffic isn't on port 22
[05:38] <LaserJock> bmonty: ? I'm not very good with networking
[05:38] <bmonty> LaserJock: the purpose of the tunnel is to circumvent your network's firewall rules, right?
[05:38] <LaserJock> no
[05:39] <LaserJock> it's because I can't directly connect to my computer
[05:39] <LaserJock> I have to connect to the departments server first
[05:40] <bmonty> so you are creating tunnels for all the protocols you want to use?
[05:40] <LaserJock> well, I'm trying to get FreeNX to work, which uses port 22
[05:42] <bmonty> I don't know about FreeNX, but I'm assuming you can tell it to connect to a port other than 22?
[05:43] <LaserJock> I was using VNC but now vnc can't be installed because of an unmet dep, so in the mean time I was trying to check out FreeNX but it is turning into a major project
[05:43] <LaserJock> bmonty: well, in that case I might run into the firewall problem
[05:44] <bmonty> so you want a tunnel from the department server to connect to your home machine on 22, and some other port on the department server to connect FreeNX to
[05:44] <LaserJock> hmm, makes sense
[05:45] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure why port 22 doesn't work
[05:45] <LaserJock> but I think I also might have other problems with the setup
[05:45] <bmonty> two guesses....one it is already being used by the ssh server and two you might not have enough privledge to open port 22
[05:45] <LaserJock> I think I shoulda just built vnc4 from source ;-)
[05:46] <psusi> blast....
[05:46] <bmonty> LaserJock: you are using something like "ssh -R 32400:home-machine:22" ?
[05:47] <LaserJock> not right now, no
[05:48] <bmonty> if you used that command, you would tell FreeNX to connect to 32400 on the department server and it would be forwarded to port 22 on your home machine
[05:52] <Yagisan> hmm - anyone tried installing ubuntu on a system with no floppy or cdrom, and no existing os ?
[05:54] <bmonty> why not just install a cdrom?
[05:54] <bmonty> they are <$40 for a DVD burner on newegg.com
[05:54] <bmonty> with shipping
[05:54] <psusi> Yagisan, so what IS availible? :)
[05:54] <psusi> Yagisan, usb stick?
[05:55] <minghua> Yagisan: netboot?  not sure ubuntu has that option though
[05:55] <Yagisan> bmonty: because I can't find one - I need a box up and ruuning to help fix a problem, and it's getting built out of leftovers
[05:55] <psusi> debian-installer appears to support netboot
[05:55] <psusi> so ubuntu should too
[05:56] <psusi> Yagisan, plug the hard drive into a machine that already has ubuntu on it and install that way ;)
[05:56] <minghua> you still need an FTP server to host your files and images though
[05:56] <Yagisan> btw bmonty $40US is worth more then the whole pc at this point
[05:57] <bmonty> Yagisan: well good luck
[05:57] <Yagisan> thanks - this will be fun.
[05:58] <Yagisan> now to grab a spare netcard out of the firewall - back later
[06:06] <bmonty> anyone know of a python debugger that can provide command line arguments or connect to a running process?
[06:32] <LaserJock> lol, I was able to kill my ssh server but I still can't get FreeNX to work. I can't even get it to setup correctly. I just doesn't like my ssh
[06:35] <LaserJock> well, I'm going to try to get my install back to where it was and build vnc4 from scratch
[07:29] <StevenK> Oh bugger. Now vnc4 doesn't build from source.
[07:31] <minghua> why suddenly everybody is starting to play with vnc4?
[09:48] <crimsun_> I'm gone til Tuesday, flying to Washington, D.C. for meetings
[10:22] <pef> hello
[10:38] <lifeless> opensync is now at the two week point
[10:38] <lifeless> sigh
[10:38] <Treenaks> two week point?
[10:38] <lifeless> in NEW
[10:38] <Treenaks> ah
[10:39] <siretart> lifeless: upload 0.18-0ubuntu1 to ubuntu, and sync over later
[10:39] <lifeless> siretart: I cannot upload to ubuntu.
[10:40] <siretart> lifeless: I'll sponsor you happily :)
[10:40] <lifeless> we're past UVF anyway
[10:40] <siretart> but before FF
[10:40] <lifeless> so I'm not panicing, just bitching...
[10:40] <siretart> new packages are allowed before FF
[12:02] <Mez> siretart: ping
[12:04] <zakame> hi all
[12:05] <siretart> Mez: pong
[12:05] <siretart> hi zakame
[12:06] <zakame> heya siretart :)
[12:07] <Mez> siretart: er - your comment on the rar bug ?
[12:07] <Mez> it was saying that the source was there?
[12:07] <Mez> or asking for that to be fixed too ?
[12:07] <siretart> Mez: just that the source is in debian/non-free
[12:08] <Mez> not source ...
[12:08] <Mez> they have binary packages in there
[12:08] <Mez> rar doesnt distribute it's source
[12:08] <Mez> it's just binary stuff built by rarlabs
[12:09] <siretart> ah, sure
[12:09] <Mez> anyways - it's fixed (and I seem to now be adopting the godamn thing!
[12:10] <phanatic> hi people
[12:11] <zakame> heya phanatic
[12:11] <siretart> Mez: did you set yourself in the maintainer field? ;)
[12:12] <Mez> siretart not in the ubuntu upload ;)
[12:12] <Mez> though technically I should have
[12:12] <Mez> 1) the package was changed specifically for ubuntu with the first update in nearly 2 years
[12:13] <Mez> and 2 I'm adopting it
[12:13] <phanatic> zakame: i updated the nanoweb package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1579
[12:13] <Mez> though - well - I didnt know that till after I uploaded
[12:13] <zakame> is it now recommended for MOTU-modified Debian packages to change the Maintainer field (sorry, not been into reading {d,u}-devel and -motu)
[12:13] <zakame> ?
[12:13] <zakame> phanatic: checking
[12:13] <siretart> Mez: to avoid further discussion and confusion, just upload another one with you as maintainer
[12:14] <siretart> zakame: we didn't agree on anything yet
[12:14] <Mez> siretart: "further discussion and confusion"
[12:14] <phanatic> zakame: thanks
[12:14] <Mez> ??
[12:14] <siretart> Mez: see the flamewars the last week
[12:14] <Mez> siretart, I doubt that anyone will be watching what I'm doing lol
[12:14] <siretart> Mez: if you care for it, just hijack it
[12:14] <Mez> and there was nothing there
[12:14] <zakame> ah
[12:15] <Mez> siretart: I'm officially adopting it in debian ;)
[12:15] <Mez> so no need to hijack
[12:15] <siretart> Mez: oh. even better :)
[12:15] <Mez> just wait for a sponsor ;)
[12:15] <Mez> lol - because chris and I talked about it earlier :D lol - and well - shrugs*
[12:15] <minghua> Mez: by all means hijack it
[12:15] <siretart> zakame: there have been some packages, which we adopted in ubuntu. gajim comes to mind
[12:15] <Mez> I'm taking it over case he hasnt got time
[12:16] <minghua> Debian doesn't care about non-free packages anyway
[12:16] <Mez> minghua: there no point in just uploading a hijack ;)
[12:16] <siretart> zakame: in my opinion, we should use this possibility more often. but no, we didn't agree on that yet
[12:16] <Mez> minghua: if i COULD hijacj t I would
[12:16] <Mez> lol
[12:16] <Mez> but - I need a sponsor
[12:16] <Mez> once I'm a DD ... *shrugs* it'll be fine
[12:16] <minghua> Mez: I mean hijack it on the ubuntu side
[12:17] <minghua> don't leave the previous Debian maintainer's name in the Maintainer: field
[12:17] <zakame> siretart: hmm, I haven't thought of it much really, but I'm inclined to agree with you
[12:17] <Mez> minghua: lol ;)
[12:19] <zakame> pakain! :D
[12:19] <zakame> er ECHAN
[12:38] <sivang> Mez: going to be a DD?
[12:38] <minghua> Mez: why not point the debian-mentors list to your ubuntu package?
[12:38] <Mez> sivang, one day
[12:38] <sivang> Mez: :)
[12:38] <minghua> Mez: usually a RFS need to have packages ready anyway
[12:38] <Mez> minghua: you mean point them to where I made the changes?
[12:39] <Mez> minghua: ah well I'm jsut packaging it up atm lol - then gonna upload to mentors
[12:39] <minghua> Mez: no, the source packages, diff.gz and stuff
[12:39] <Mez> or my own server
[12:39] <Mez> minghua: I'm packaging up the latest version of rar thats why
[12:39] <minghua> Mez: but they are already uploaded to ubuntu, no?
[12:39] <Mez> minghua: no thats really just a bugfix ;)
[12:40] <minghua> oh I see.  then probably "Intent To Adopt" would be a more appropriate title ;-)
[12:40] <Mez> not really ;)
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[01:13] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> salut raphink :)
[01:13] <raphink> a farte?
[01:13] <raphink> lol
[01:14] <Gloubiboulga> :D a farte
[01:20] <Mez> minghua: I've like - hijacked it in ubuntu and hae a sponsor for debian ;)
[01:22] <minghua> Mez: wow that's fast, good job
[01:22] <phanatic> hi raphink
[01:22] <phanatic> raphink: upstream released new version: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1583
[01:22] <Mez> minghua: lol - well I posted to the d-m list and someone offered
[01:22] <raphink> yes I saw phanatic that's good
[01:22] <phanatic> patch applied + license info included in source headers
[01:22] <raphink> I'll throw an eye on it, but not right now
[01:23] <raphink> there is about 600KB diff
[01:23] <raphink> so I won't just advocate blindly
[01:23] <raphink> :)
[01:26] <phanatic> okay :)
[01:26] <phanatic> upstream reworked the whole automake system
[01:26] <phanatic> that's why the huge diff :)
[01:29] <raphink> phanatic: then I'll test build again
[01:44] <\sh> moins
[01:44] <StevenK> s/\\//
[01:45] <StevenK> Er, s/\///
[01:45] <Mez> moinmoin ;)
[01:45] <Mez> lol
[01:47] <\sh> oh man i'm tired..
[01:47] <\sh> this stupid gentoo update marathon is not finished yet
[01:47] <StevenK> A bug to fix in universe, since I uploaded a package to main, and that didn't work so well.
[01:48] <Yagisan> \sh: gentoo ?
[01:49] <\sh> Yagisan: yo...
[01:49] <\sh> 5 machines
[01:49] <Yagisan> \sh: G'day. I've been so busy this week, I barely have time to get my work done, let alone any ubuntu stuff :(
[01:50] <\sh> oh I will have a busy week from monday on...6 suse machines to administrate and taking care for :)
[01:51] <StevenK> \sh: Well done! You're now job enabled?
[01:51] <\sh> StevenK: well..not directly...the gentoo machines are for the guys, which are sponsoring my root server and some parts of my hardware
[01:52] <Yagisan> It's a high speed pentium 2 233Mhz,  144MB RAM, 2GB HDD, Radeon 7500, and I *just* squeezed breezy it. funnily it runs rather well.
[01:52] <\sh> StevenK: and the suse work is freelancing for 2 weeks...I have to see, if the boss of this company is giving me a long time employee contract, or a long time freelancer contract...
[01:52] <\sh> s/which/who/
[01:53] <Yagisan> StevenK: speed up in what way ? and how old is the laptop ?
[01:54] <StevenK> It just feels sluggish sometimes.
[01:54] <StevenK> It's an X40, so not that old.
[01:56] <Yagisan> StevenK: ok. On older boxes prelink helps with load times, otherwise not much other then making sure hdd dma is on, and adding ram really helps
[01:57] <\sh> ok..need to go back to the gentoo machines
[02:13] <siretart> hi folks
[02:44] <foampeace> hi
[02:44] <foampeace> who do i give a graphic to
[02:45] <siretart> foampeace: try to ubuntu artwork team
[02:45] <foampeace> ok thanks
[02:45] <siretart> foampeace: or if it is for a specific package, create a malone bug and attach it there
[02:45] <foampeace> malone bug?
[02:46] <Mez> siretart: ping
[02:47] <foampeace> whats the url?
[03:12] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[03:33] <siretart> Mez: pong
[04:46] <mxpxpod> what's up with mono in universe? mono-jit depends on mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.10, but mono-classlib-1.0-1.1.13.1 is installed
[04:49] <torkel> mxpxpod: mine depends on 1.1.13.1
[04:50] <mxpxpod> torkel: hmmm
[04:51] <mxpxpod> torkel: what arch?
[04:52] <torkel> i386
[04:52] <mxpxpod> powerpc here
[04:53] <phanatic> mono on ppc has some problems afaik. there was a discussion about this some days ago...
[04:53] <mxpxpod> nice
[04:56] <mxpxpod> ugh
[06:12] <Mez> siretart: reping
[06:13] <Mez> or even \sh_away ping
[06:42] <siretart> Mez: Im not really here, but, what is it?
[06:44] <Mez> siretart: would it be possible to use motu-tools to automate a check on stuff thats currently in backports but has a higher version in dapper?
[06:46] <siretart> Mez: I think this shouldn't be hard with lucas' multidistro tools, but I didn't look further into it yet
[06:46] <Mez> cool ;)
[06:47] <slomo> hmm, is the current gnome-panel in dapper crashing constantly for someone else too?
[06:47] <siretart> hi slomo
[06:48] <slomo> hi siretart
[06:48] <siretart> slomo: do you know if siggi wants to upload the latest stable version or a recent cvs snapshot?
[06:49] <slomo> siretart: no idea... he's not very verbose ;) but i didn't find any time to do anything this weekend with xine :(
[06:49] <siretart> slomo: anyway, the changelog does look quite promosing, even now.
[06:50] <siretart> I'm quite happy if all those bugs mentioned in the changelog get finally in debian
[06:50] <slomo> yes... and i need to merge them all in our current two xine packages ;)
[06:51] <siretart> slomo: perhaps we can script that?
[06:52] <slomo> sure... but i don't know if it's worth the effort for two packages ;) currently i'm getting the diff between the debian versions and add the changes that apply to the packages
[06:53] <siretart> ok
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, slomo, could have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1582 and tell me what you think about this package?
[07:13] <siretart> sorry, not now, I'm not at home
[07:14] <Gloubiboulga> siretart, np
[07:21] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: i'll take a look in a few minutes :)
[07:21] <Gloubiboulga> thanks slomo
[07:25] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: any specific reason why you need debhelper >= 5.0.7 and not only 5?
[07:25] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, not really
[07:25] <Gloubiboulga> it's just because we have 5.0.7 in dapper
[07:25] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: ok, just stay with 5 :)
[07:26] <Gloubiboulga> ok :)
[07:26] <slomo> why do you call the library libswitch0.3.1?
[07:26] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, because of the soname... just have a look at the prvious comments
[07:26] <slomo> ok, will do ;)
[07:27] <Gloubiboulga> hub and sistpoty disagree about that...
[07:27] <slomo> and i would copy the libswitch description (long and short) to the libswitch-dev package and add "(development files)" to the short one and add what you have now to the long one...
[07:28] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[07:28] <slomo> in rules there is much stuff from dh_make
[07:29] <slomo> remove everything not needed please :)
[07:29] <Gloubiboulga> I will :)
[07:29] <slomo> and you have a arch all package... please add some stuff to the binary-indep rule
[07:30] <slomo> err wait...
[07:30] <slomo> is netswitch really arch all? imho it should be any as it's arch specific
[07:31] <Gloubiboulga> it's a script which calls gswitch | kswitch
[07:31] <ajmitch> morning
[07:31] <Gloubiboulga> hi ajmitch
[07:31] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: oh wait... yes... sorry :/ but then please add needed stuff to binary-indep :)
[07:31] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[07:32] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, ok
[07:32] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: hmm, but shouldn't the netswitch package should depend on gswitch | kswitch then?
[07:34] <slomo> damn panel...
[07:34] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, upstream recommends to run gswitch, but netswitch doesn't depend on it
[07:35] <Gloubiboulga> that's why i didn't add {g,k}switch to Depends line
[07:36] <Amaranth> please don't do what apt-file did
[07:36] <Amaranth> apt-file can use curl or wget but installs neither as it wants to let you choose
[07:37] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: ok... /me compiles now :)
[07:39] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, libswitch0.3.1 is ok, or should i change the package name?
[07:40] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: ok, the soname is really broken imho... but could work when they really mean it like it is now... libswitch0 would be the correct thing then... but better teach them about soname :)
[07:43] <Gloubiboulga> damn soname ;)
[07:45] <slomo> but hub was right... it's only that they seem to use the package's version instead of something correct...
[07:48] <Gloubiboulga> I'll talk with the author about this
[07:49] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: the packaging is ok except the few points i noted above... but i won't vote for it until the soname issue is solved
[07:50] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, ok, thanks for the review !
[07:51] <slomo> Gloubiboulga: np :)
[08:01] <Gloubiboulga> hello mrfreeze
[08:01] <mrfreeze> salut gloubi
[08:02] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, mrfreeze is the author of libswitch
[08:02] <mrfreeze> Hello slomo
[08:04] <slomo> hi mrfreeze
[08:04] <mrfreeze> so gloubi told me there was a problem ?
[08:04] <mrfreeze> with the soname
[08:06] <slomo> yes... you shouldn't use the version number... as long as the number directly behind the .so stays the same programs expect your library ABI compatible... i.e. in your case programs expect to be runnable with 0.0.1 and 0.9.9 without recompilation
[08:06] <mrfreeze> yes but that's false :)
[08:07] <mrfreeze> in fact 0.3 and 0.4 are uncompatible
[08:07] <ajmitch> do you really break backwards compatibility with each & every release?
[08:07] <mrfreeze> not necessarily, but sometimes
[08:07] <mrfreeze> do you want I change the version and add another number ?
[08:08] <slomo> ajmitch: can you explain it to him? i only know the notation of libtool with current/revision/age but don't know how this computes to the number used in the filename...
[08:08] <mrfreeze> in fact for the moment, I some times change some structures
[08:09] <slomo> mrfreeze: at least you should use .so.1* for 0.4 then when it breaks binary compatibility
[08:09] <ajmitch> slomo: sorry, I've got to run down to LCA & help out
[08:09] <ajmitch> conference is starting today
[08:09] <mrfreeze> slomo, but that's ugly
[08:10] <slomo> mrfreeze: why?
[08:10] <mrfreeze> well 0.4 is 1 ?
[08:10] <mrfreeze> that doesn't mean anything then
[08:10] <slomo> that number has nothing to do with the actual version of your library
[08:10] <slomo> yes
[08:11] <mrfreeze> what a strange thing
[08:11] <slomo> it's only to keep track of binary compatibility
[08:11] <mrfreeze> well ... i don't believe in binary compatibility :)
[08:12] <mrfreeze> ok, I will change the soname to make this .... but tht's strange
[08:12] <slomo> so you want us to rebuild every program using your library against the latest version of your library? ;)
[08:12] <mrfreeze> that's what I do :)
[08:13] <mrfreeze> So I just change the soname parameter, and your package will always work ?
[08:15] <mrfreeze> but how must the application be configured to connect to the right lib ?
[08:15] <slomo> no... but it would be much easier for us to garantuee stability of programs using your library as we know when we need to recompile... and we could keep different versions of your library at the same time so nothing will ever break...
[08:16] <mrfreeze> well if you want :)
[08:16] <slomo> that's not your job but ld's ;) it will simply use the version with the soname it is compiled against... i.e. *.so.0 in the current version
[08:17] <mrfreeze> ok hope it will work ;)
[08:18] <slomo> mrfreeze: why don't you use autotools and libtool btw?
[08:19] <mrfreeze> I prefer to understand my makefile
[08:19] <mrfreeze> and I don't know how to generate it in fact (the autotool for the application was generated by glade)
[08:20] <slomo> for simple stuff (as in simple to build) like your application you will find millions of tutorials out there :)
[08:21] <mrfreeze> yes but source compatibility was enough for me :)
[08:22] <mrfreeze> and know ... I don't know if I will loose something
[08:22] <mrfreeze> btw how autotool and libtool would know the library isn't compatible ?
[08:24] <slomo> it wouldn't... but for libtool you have 3 easy values to fill in and it keeps care of everything else for the filename...
[08:28] <mrfreeze> slomo, as I do the job of libtool for the moment, I create my so.0.3.1, a link so.0 -> so.0.3.1 and a link .so > .so.0 that's it ?
[08:28] <mrfreeze> slomo, I will switch to autotool and libtool during the week
[08:29] <slomo> mrfreeze: yes, but libtool will do more things... for example create this .la files you probably saw already... or create a static version of your library, etc...
[08:30] <mrfreeze> yes but I don't need that
[08:30] <mrfreeze> I just want dynamic lib
[08:31] <slomo> you don't need that... right ;) but maybe other people want it for whatever reason
[08:32] <slomo> well, and using autotools/libtool will make it easier for your application to be used on other architectures
[08:32] <slomo> for example solaris doesn't use .so for shared libraries iirc
[08:36] <mrfreeze> thank you slomo, I repack, and 0.4 will use libtool
[08:37] <slomo> mrfreeze: no problem :) for a good example take a look at libnotify...
[08:39] <slomo> mrfreeze: if you want i could take a look at it before you release 0.4
[08:40] <mrfreeze> slomo, lol, yes but I can't find the tarball
[08:40] <slomo> for libnotify?
[08:41] <slomo> http://www.galago-project.org/files/releases/source/libnotify/libnotify-0.3.0.tar.gz
[08:41] <mrfreeze> thanks
[08:47] <cyberix> Fuddl: Online?
[09:00] <Fuddl> cyberix: yepp, right here
[09:08] <cyberix> Fuddl: Did my private messages reach you?
[09:09] <Fuddl> cyberix: private message???
[09:09] <cyberix> Ok. So blocked by spam protection
[09:09] <cyberix> 21:54 <cyberix> I retrieved the Loki Quake III Arena cd-rom
[09:09] <cyberix> 21:54 <cyberix> cyberix@bunnypump:/media/cdrom1$ find |grep pak
[09:09] <cyberix> 21:54 <cyberix> ./baseq3/pak0.pk3
[09:09] <Fuddl> wb ajmitch
[09:10] <Fuddl> cyberix: spam? uuuuh... i don't filter spam, and i set gmx to not filter it... but, thx for that path!
[09:11] <cyberix> Fuddl: freenode filtters
[09:11] <cyberix> 21:53 [freenode]  -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[09:11] <Fuddl> ah, i c
[09:11] <cyberix> Fuddl: Is there something else you need to know?
[09:12] <cyberix> icon ?
[09:12] <Fuddl> cyberix: nope, it's just that one pk3 file that's copied from cd rom
[09:12] <cyberix> ok
[09:13] <cyberix> Fuddl: quake3 package will be in dapper universe?
[09:13] <Fuddl> cyberix: is that icon a special one? quake3 source come with an icon, but for gnome's eye-candy something more fancy would be nice ;)
[09:14] <Fuddl> cyberix: i don't know, yet. i'm waiting for it to apper on the launchpad
[09:15] <Hieronymus> cyberix: not universe
[09:17] <cyberix> Hieronymus: Why not?
[09:18] <cyberix> Hieronymus: The contents of the package are free software, even if the stuff installed from cd-rom are not.
[09:19] <Fuddl> cyberix: oh, one thing you could do for me. what's that md5sum of that file?
[09:19] <Hieronymus> cyberix: so a free software program which fetches non-free programs from the net or cd-rom should be in universe?
[09:19] <cyberix> Hieronymus: Is this not equal to e.g. a cd-player?
[09:20] <cyberix> Hieronymus: quake3-data could be in multiverse
[09:21] <cyberix> Fuddl: computing...
[09:21] <Hieronymus> cyberix: but quake3 Depends: on quake3-data
[09:22] <cyberix> Hieronymus: :-/
[09:22] <cyberix> There is not a project making use of the engine without the original data-files?
[09:22] <cyberix> (a free software one)
[09:23] <Fuddl> i don't know of one...
[09:23] <Fuddl> neither does upstream
[09:24] <cyberix> quake III rally, but it is uncomplete and a dead project
[09:24] <cyberix> And I'm not sure if mods run without the original game
[09:24] <cyberix> http://www.quakerally.com/
[09:25] <Hieronymus> there's OpenArena
[09:27] <cyberix> Fuddl: .
[09:27] <cyberix> cyberix@bunnypump:/media/cdrom1/baseq3$ md5sum pak0.pk3
[09:27] <cyberix> 1197ca3df1e65f3c380f8abc10ca43bf  pak0.pk3
[09:27] <Fuddl> Hieronymus: url? gimme! gimme! gimme! :)
[09:27] <Fuddl> cyberix: thx
[09:28] <Fuddl> phuuu, thank god, the files are the same
[09:28] <cyberix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenArena
[09:34] <Fuddl> mmmmh.... openarena indeed looks interesting
[09:37] <Hieronymus> Fuddl: it's playable, but it needs work
[09:51] <Fuddl> cyberix: good news. i created a "fake loki q3 iso" and used that iso as source medium
[09:51] <Fuddl> and i even didn't break support for the original cd ;)
[09:54] <spacey> if you want to play q3 you should check out the icculus.org sourcetree
[09:54] <spacey> its nice
[09:57] <Fuddl> spacey: they're my upstream guys - and i've never seen a mailinglist that's more fun than their q3 ml!!!
[10:06] <Fuddl> cyberix: do you know how many different "flavours" of quake3 cds exist? "the" q3 cd, the loki cd, the xyz cd?
[10:12] <mdke> anyone around who can give me a quick tip on how to build a package?
[10:13] <mdke> i downloaded the yelp source and have made some small changes to one file, now I'd like to test the package
[10:16] <mdke> actually, nm
[10:16] <mdke> i'll just install the file directly, it doesn't need building
[10:33] <mdke> if anyone wants to fix the easiest bug in the world ever, check out https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-ui/+bug/6099
[10:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6099: "xine has a poor entry in the Menu" Fix req. for: xine-ui (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Media Team, Status: Unconfirmed
[10:33] <mdke> I've posted the fix to the bug, someone please commit it!
[10:44] <moyogo> hi