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| viviersf | Riddell, ping | 08:04 |
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| Riddell | hi viviersf | 11:07 |
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| raphink | hi there | 11:16 |
| Riddell | hi raphink | 11:17 |
| raphink | I was just going across this kontact bug in malone | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | hi all | 11:18 |
| raphink | hi Tonio_ | 11:18 |
| raphink | Riddell: jpatrick proposed kontact should depend on all the components | 11:18 |
| raphink | instead of just suggesting them | 11:19 |
| raphink | I tend to agree in a way | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: I do also | 11:19 |
| raphink | I reckon it would make it take more space in memory for sometimes no use | 11:19 |
| raphink | but the way it is, kontact kind of depends on all the parts | 11:19 |
| raphink | so that some buttons are not functional if all the parts are not there | 11:19 |
| raphink | and if all the parts are too many, then the user can deactivate some (and activate again) in the preferences | 11:20 |
| raphink | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/3134 | 11:20 |
| raphink | this doesn't straighly solve the bug actually | 11:20 |
| Riddell | I've fixed that by moving the .desktop files that make the buttons at the side into the packages of each program | 11:20 |
| raphink | but in the end it fixes it though | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: guessing that you have to install multisynk for synchronization isn't very clear for a standard user | 11:21 |
| raphink | well that doesn't fix this bug though | 11:21 |
| Riddell | raphink: how doesn't it? | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | that's just an example, there are many others | 11:21 |
| raphink | Tonio_: and it's even less clear to guess it's gonna be available in kontact | 11:22 |
| raphink | most users have no conscious idea that kontact gathers several apps as parts | 11:22 |
| raphink | they juts open kontact and see lots of options | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: absolutly | 11:22 |
| raphink | but they totally ignore that kmail is the part dealing with email | 11:22 |
| raphink | or kadressbook with addresses | 11:22 |
| raphink | for them it's just kontact | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | I personnaly had to search about 10 minutes to find the component to install for PDA sync... | 11:23 |
| raphink | and if some functions are not available, it's not logical for most users to install a new app to have more parts in one | 11:23 |
| raphink | imho | 11:23 |
| raphink | thus I think jpatrick's proposition of installing all kontact parts by default is safe | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that they are not named "kontact-akregator" or something | 11:23 |
| raphink | and I, for one, am not at all the kind that enjoys installing things I don't use | 11:24 |
| raphink | Tonio_: and they shouldn't be | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | that way it could be possible to let them install complementary components | 11:24 |
| raphink | if a user only wants an email client | 11:24 |
| raphink | he has no reason to install kontact | 11:24 |
| raphink | kmail works fine alone | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: of course they shouldn't, but in that case it can be complicated i you want something that isn't provided with the default installation | 11:24 |
| Tonio_ | so making kontact depending on all it's components is a good idea :) | 11:25 |
| raphink | another option, but I guess it's a nice one, would be to make a metapackage called kontact-components, that would install all components | 11:25 |
| raphink | the kontact package would recommend it, but not depend on it | 11:25 |
| raphink | so it would still be easy to install kontact without the components for the ones who want it so | 11:25 |
| raphink | and thus add components manually | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: yep that's another solution | 11:25 |
| viviersf | Riddell, you know anything bout this error that happens when you log out of kde sumtime "cannot talk to klauncher" | 11:25 |
| raphink | or to have all the components added by default by installing this metapackage | 11:25 |
| raphink | viviersf: very annoying one ;) | 11:26 |
| viviersf | yes | 11:26 |
| viviersf | :P | 11:26 |
| raphink | but not major | 11:26 |
| viviersf | yar | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: another question, do you know a tuto that would explain how to install ubuntu on a usb key ? | 11:26 |
| raphink | there's no crash, and it doesn't prevent from using any featur | 11:26 |
| raphink | it's just ugly | 11:26 |
| viviersf | but noobs in south africa have a fit with errors like that raphink | 11:26 |
| raphink | no idea Tonio_ | 11:26 |
| raphink | Riddell: what would you think of the metapackage option? | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | I haven't been able to find a debian based usb bootable distro | 11:27 |
| raphink | how do you mean viviersf ? | 11:27 |
| raphink | Tonio_: flonnix ? | 11:27 |
| viviersf | raphink, people here have issues with error messages like that | 11:27 |
| viviersf | :/ | 11:27 |
| raphink | ah! | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: flonnix doesn't exist anymore | 11:29 |
| raphink | ok | 11:29 |
| Riddell | viviersf: I don't I'm afraid | 11:30 |
| viviersf | hmmm | 11:30 |
| Riddell | viviersf: you only get it on logout? | 11:30 |
| viviersf | yes Riddell | 11:31 |
| Riddell | raphink: that would force people to install things they don't want, such as knode | 11:31 |
| viviersf | and it happens on certain pc's only | 11:31 |
| viviersf | and not always | 11:31 |
| viviersf | it weird | 11:31 |
| raphink | no Riddell | 11:31 |
| raphink | Riddell: you don't understand my proposal i think | 11:31 |
| raphink | the idea would have to have a metapackage that would depend on all the components, called kontact-components, and installed by default so that users have all the components by default | 11:31 |
| raphink | kontact wouldn't depend on it, but suggest it only | 11:32 |
| raphink | so that users could safely remove this metapackage to keep only the parts they want | 11:32 |
| raphink | but if they want all the parts, installing this meta would do | 11:32 |
| Riddell | raphink: hmm, interesting | 11:32 |
| raphink | :) | 11:33 |
| raphink | when new parts are released, we could update the metapackage to have it install them by default | 11:33 |
| raphink | this way we keep both `easiness' for basic users and choice for advanced ones | 11:34 |
| raphink | which is not the case if we have kontact directly depend on the parts of course | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | hum........ | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | that's a pain here is no usbuntu :) | 11:36 |
| Riddell | viviersf: I haven't seen that I'm afraid. tried blanking the .kde directory to see if it's something in there that's causing it | 11:36 |
| raphink | Tonio_: ;) | 11:36 |
| Riddell | otherwise might try asking on a kde channel or mailing list | 11:36 |
| viviersf | Riddell, i did | 11:36 |
| viviersf | still comes up | 11:36 |
| raphink | Riddell: it seems this had been found to be an issue with kbluetoothd I think | 11:37 |
| viviersf | its one of kde's app | 11:37 |
| viviersf | in the system tray | 11:37 |
| Riddell | raphink: what is? | 11:43 |
| raphink | the bug with klauncher at logout Riddell | 11:43 |
| raphink | Riddell: what shall I do about kontact? do you want me to work on a meta ? | 11:44 |
| Riddell | raphink: sure | 11:44 |
| raphink | ok then I will :) | 11:44 |
| raphink | I'll name it kontact-components | 11:44 |
| raphink | and I'll release a patch for kontact, too :) | 11:45 |
| Riddell | raphink: just do it as part of the kdepim package | 11:50 |
| Riddell | debdiff is fine | 11:50 |
| raphink | ah | 11:50 |
| raphink | so you want me to modify kdepim and add a binary right? | 11:50 |
| Riddell | yeah, an empty one | 11:51 |
| raphink | sure | 11:51 |
| raphink | :) | 11:51 |
| raphink | I'll do that | 11:51 |
| Riddell | although kdepim could be said to already cover this | 11:51 |
| raphink | mhm | 11:52 |
| raphink | hmm | 11:54 |
| raphink | actually yes Riddell | 11:54 |
| raphink | kdepim would be quite the same as the one i'm gonna make ... | 11:54 |
| raphink | so maybe what could be done would be to add a note on kontact components in the kdepim description | 11:55 |
| raphink | so apt-cache searching for kontact would bring kdepim up | 11:55 |
| raphink | kdepim is a collection of Personal Information Management (PIM) tools for the | 11:55 |
| raphink | K Desktop Enviromnent (KDE). | 11:55 |
| raphink | . | 11:55 |
| raphink | This is an empty package which depends on the current version of every | 11:55 |
| raphink | application in the kdepim distribution. | 11:55 |
| raphink | this doesn't help understanding these parts are used in kontact | 11:56 |
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| nlindblad | 24GiB seeded!!! | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell: ping? | 05:44 |
| Riddell | jsgotangco: pong? | 05:45 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell: hi, just updating the kubuntu quick guide | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell: is it possible to just rename kbtobexclient to just simply bluetooth obex client? | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | as with the kbtserialchat | 05:47 |
| Riddell | jsgotangco: well it says "bluetooth obex client" in the menu | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell: it does but the name of the app itself just doesn't read right :/ | 05:49 |
| Riddell | jsgotangco: where doesn't it read right? | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | Riddell: i meant it doesn't make sense (to me) at all, even if its obviously a bluetooth client, even the app itself is named "Bluetooth OBEX Object Push client" | 05:51 |
| Riddell | in the K-menu it says "Bluetooth OBEX Client" | 05:52 |
| Riddell | so where's the bad name? | 05:52 |
| Riddell | hmm, I see it in the titlebar | 05:53 |
| Riddell | and it doesn't have an icon | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | yup | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | that too | 05:53 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: would a Swedish Kubuntu page be welcome? | 05:54 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: you mean website? | 05:54 |
| nlindblad | yeah | 05:54 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: what would be on it? | 05:55 |
| nlindblad | well, a translation of the English website | 05:55 |
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| Riddell | nlindblad: that's tricky, it gets out of date quickly, see kubuntu.de for example | 05:56 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: what's needed is a way to properly translate the website | 05:56 |
| Riddell | i.e. export it to .po files etc | 05:56 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: if you want to investigate how to set that up that would be great :) | 05:57 |
| Riddell | it's just php, I know it's possible | 05:57 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: rosetta? | 05:57 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: ah, you mean a "choose your language" thing in PHP | 05:57 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: yes. the tricky thing is exporting to .po and making the php use the .po files | 05:57 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: yeah | 05:57 |
| Riddell | it's entirely possible, I just don't have time for it | 05:58 |
| Riddell | a quick google should find you ways to do it though | 05:58 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: but a real effiecent system with notifications to the translators it should be possible to translate every new text in no more than 12 hours | 05:58 |
| Riddell | yep | 05:58 |
| nlindblad | I'll do an investigation | 05:59 |
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| jsgotangco | Riddell: and Wallet Management Tool seems pretty lonely on Settings | 06:00 |
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| jjesse | jsgotangco: printing manager is there as well | 06:01 |
| Riddell | jsgotangco: fixed in 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu4 | 06:01 |
| Riddell | jjesse: is it? shouldn't be | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 06:01 |
| jjesse | doh sorry that was breezy box | 06:01 |
| jjesse | stupid me | 06:01 |
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| nlindblad | Riddell: I'm looking forward to your speach | 06:57 |
| Riddell | uh oh, pressure | 06:58 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: I'll just say "kubuntu is great because we have cool people like nlindblad, nlindblad tell us all about it" | 06:58 |
| nlindblad | right | 06:58 |
| Tm_T | =) | 07:04 |
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| nlindblad | Riddell: if I'm the person making Kubuntu great then this project is doomed | 07:42 |
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| Riddell | Mez: who do I talk to about backports | 11:14 |
| \sh | to jdong or mez :) | 11:17 |
| \sh | oh newest rumours of pykde. | 11:18 |
| Riddell | \sh: rumours? | 11:19 |
| \sh | I'll work together with the debian maintainers on those packages for sip4/pyqt/kde (for kde3 and for qt4/kde4) | 11:19 |
| Riddell | groovy | 11:19 |
| \sh | we will setup some projects on alioth...and try to do some nifty work together | 11:19 |
| Riddell | could just use kde-qt project | 11:19 |
| \sh | and sharing some space with the qt-kde debian group | 11:20 |
| Riddell | exactly :) | 11:20 |
| \sh | mailed today with ricardo and torsten | 11:20 |
| \sh | but we won't merge it with kde-bindings...the strange release cycles of pykde and stuff are not for merging somehow :) | 11:21 |
| Riddell | yeah | 11:21 |
| raphink | JRe: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-fr | 11:27 |
| raphink | :) | 11:27 |
| Riddell | oh la la | 11:28 |
| raphink | haha :) | 11:28 |
| raphink | Riddell: Tonio is applying tomorrow for member :) | 11:28 |
| raphink | (and soon for MOTU I hope) | 11:28 |
| \sh | rock | 11:28 |
| raphink | yeah :) | 11:29 |
| Riddell | we should get freeflying for membership too | 11:29 |
| raphink | n' roll | 11:29 |
| raphink | yes | 11:29 |
| raphink | and some others | 11:29 |
| raphink | laserjock should be a motu, but he's a gnome dev I think | 11:29 |
| jjesse | community council meeting tomorrow? | 11:29 |
| raphink | yep jjesse | 11:30 |
| raphink | tomorrow evening | 11:30 |
| jjesse | raphink: depnding on time zone :) | 11:30 |
| raphink | jjesse: evening UTC :p | 11:30 |
| raphink | we plan meetings with UTC, 21 UTC is evening :) | 11:31 |
| jjesse | hmm will have to only catch part as that is during the running group time | 11:31 |
| raphink | ok | 11:31 |
| \sh | night guys | 11:32 |
| jjesse | night /sh | 11:32 |
| raphink | night \sh_away | 11:32 |
| sealne | has anyone else seen errors in breezy with kubuntu.org 3.5 packages? with a fresh from cd breezy install followed by a dist-upgrade i get and error from kdepim-kresources_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy2_i386.deb "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kresources/kcal/blogging.desktop', which is also in package libkcal2a" | 11:45 |
| sealne | the dist-upgrade then fails, when i try it again it works | 11:47 |
| sealne | but adept gives a pretty nasty error that my class is going to all get tommorow when they are installing kubuntu :( | 11:48 |
| sealne | bah | 11:48 |
| allee | sealne: before doing dist-upgrade to 3.5 tell them to rm /usr/share/services/kresources/kcal/blogging.desktop | 11:51 |
| Riddell | sealne: yes, I noticed that today | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: raphink already uploaded soundkonverter | 11:51 |
| Riddell | sealne: I'll fix it for the 3.5.1 packages | 11:52 |
| sealne | ta | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | package has been approved by kathie | 11:52 |
| raphink | :s | 11:52 |
| Riddell | raphink: you're fired | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is it necessary to post an exception requiest on the ML ? | 11:52 |
| raphink | Riddell: booh :( | 11:52 |
| raphink | Riddell: won't do it again :( | 11:52 |
| Riddell | raphink: ok, you're forgiven :) | 11:52 |
| sealne | allee: i think probably simpler to just rerun the dist-upgrade than tell them to delete the file | 11:53 |
| raphink | :) | 11:53 |
| raphink | seems i've accumulated all the mistakes I could do on this package | 11:53 |
| raphink | I should not touch it anymore in the future | 11:53 |
| raphink | lol | 11:53 |
| Riddell | sealne: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/... | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: you don't have a lot of chance with this package ;) | 11:54 |
| raphink | Tonio_: you said it | 11:54 |
| raphink | lol | 11:54 |
| sealne | yeah, not sure why the second dist-upgrade dosen't just complain again, did the file move packages? | 11:54 |
| raphink | got wrong with the versionning, then with the orig, then with UVF | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | versioning errors, bad first uplolad, bad second upload lol | 11:54 |
| raphink | Tonio_: :p | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | arf | 11:54 |
| raphink | :( | 11:54 |
| raphink | hehe | 11:54 |
| raphink | these are errors i'll watch more closely in the future | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | keep all errors on it, the rest of your work will stay brilliant ;) | 11:55 |
| raphink | and I prefer to make them once, on a multiverse package | 11:55 |
| raphink | hehe | 11:55 |
| sealne | well theoretically eventually the monkeys at the typewriters would create a working package :) | 11:55 |
| allee | sealne: guess: during first dist-upgrade libkcalc2 is not upgraded, at second try libkcalc2 was already updated? | 11:56 |
| sealne | thats what i presume | 11:56 |
| sealne | hmm although it is complaining the file is also in libkcal2*a* isn't that the new one? | 11:57 |
| sealne | i can't remember | 11:57 |
| sealne | oh no b is the new one | 11:58 |
| sealne | so yeah | 11:58 |
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