[08:04] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[11:07] <Riddell> hi viviersf 
[11:16] <raphink> hi there
[11:17] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[11:17] <raphink> I was just going across this kontact bug in malone
[11:18] <Tonio_> hi all
[11:18] <raphink> hi Tonio_ 
[11:18] <raphink> Riddell: jpatrick proposed kontact should depend on all the components
[11:19] <raphink> instead of just suggesting them
[11:19] <raphink> I tend to agree in a way
[11:19] <Tonio_> raphink: I do also
[11:19] <raphink> I reckon it would make it take more space in memory for sometimes no use
[11:19] <raphink> but the way it is, kontact kind of depends on all the parts
[11:19] <raphink> so that some buttons are not functional if all the parts are not there
[11:20] <raphink> and if all the parts are too many, then the user can deactivate some (and activate again) in the preferences
[11:20] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/3134
[11:20] <raphink> this doesn't straighly solve the bug actually
[11:20] <Riddell> I've fixed that by moving the .desktop files that make the buttons at the side into the packages of each program
[11:20] <raphink> but in the end it fixes it though
[11:21] <Tonio_> raphink: guessing that you have to install multisynk for synchronization isn't very clear for a standard user
[11:21] <raphink> well that doesn't fix this bug though
[11:21] <Riddell> raphink: how doesn't it?
[11:21] <Tonio_> that's just an example, there are many others
[11:22] <raphink> Tonio_: and it's even less clear to guess it's gonna be available in kontact
[11:22] <raphink> most users have no conscious idea that kontact gathers several apps as parts
[11:22] <raphink> they juts open kontact and see lots of options
[11:22] <Tonio_> raphink: absolutly
[11:22] <raphink> but they totally ignore that kmail is the part dealing with email
[11:22] <raphink> or kadressbook with addresses
[11:22] <raphink> for them it's just kontact
[11:23] <Tonio_> I personnaly had to search about 10 minutes to find the component to install for PDA sync...
[11:23] <raphink> and if some functions are not available, it's not logical for most users to install a new app to have more parts in one
[11:23] <raphink> imho
[11:23] <raphink> thus I think jpatrick's proposition of installing all kontact parts by default is safe
[11:23] <Tonio_> the problem is that they are not named "kontact-akregator" or something
[11:24] <raphink> and I, for one, am not at all the kind that enjoys installing things I don't use
[11:24] <raphink> Tonio_: and they shouldn't be
[11:24] <Tonio_> that way it could be possible to let them install complementary components
[11:24] <raphink> if a user only wants an email client
[11:24] <raphink> he has no reason to install kontact
[11:24] <raphink> kmail works fine alone
[11:24] <Tonio_> raphink: of course they shouldn't, but in that case it can be complicated i you want something that isn't provided with the default installation
[11:25] <Tonio_> so making kontact depending on all it's components is a good idea :)
[11:25] <raphink> another option, but I guess it's a nice one, would be to make a metapackage called kontact-components, that would install all components
[11:25] <raphink> the kontact package would recommend it, but not depend on it
[11:25] <raphink> so it would still be easy to install kontact without the components for the ones who want it so
[11:25] <raphink> and thus add components manually
[11:25] <Tonio_> raphink: yep that's another solution
[11:25] <viviersf> Riddell, you know anything bout this error that happens when you log out of kde sumtime "cannot talk to klauncher"
[11:25] <raphink> or to have all the components added by default by installing this metapackage
[11:26] <raphink> viviersf: very annoying one ;)
[11:26] <viviersf> yes
[11:26] <viviersf> :P
[11:26] <raphink> but not major
[11:26] <viviersf> yar
[11:26] <Tonio_> raphink: another question, do you know a tuto that would explain how to install ubuntu on a usb key ?
[11:26] <raphink> there's no crash, and it doesn't prevent from using any featur
[11:26] <raphink> it's just ugly
[11:26] <viviersf> but noobs in south africa have a fit with errors like that raphink 
[11:26] <raphink> no idea Tonio_ 
[11:27] <raphink> Riddell: what would you think of the metapackage option?
[11:27] <Tonio_> I haven't been able to find a debian based usb bootable distro
[11:27] <raphink> how do you mean viviersf ?
[11:27] <raphink> Tonio_: flonnix ?
[11:27] <viviersf> raphink, people here have issues with error messages like that
[11:27] <viviersf> :/
[11:27] <raphink> ah!
[11:29] <Tonio_> raphink: flonnix doesn't exist anymore
[11:29] <raphink> ok
[11:30] <Riddell> viviersf: I don't I'm afraid
[11:30] <viviersf> hmmm
[11:30] <Riddell> viviersf: you only get it on logout?
[11:31] <viviersf> yes Riddell 
[11:31] <Riddell> raphink: that would force people to install things they don't want, such as knode
[11:31] <viviersf> and it happens on certain pc's only
[11:31] <viviersf> and not always
[11:31] <viviersf> it weird
[11:31] <raphink> no Riddell 
[11:31] <raphink> Riddell: you don't understand my proposal i think
[11:31] <raphink> the idea would have to have a metapackage that would depend on all the components, called kontact-components, and installed by default so that users have all the components by default
[11:32] <raphink> kontact wouldn't depend on it, but suggest it only
[11:32] <raphink> so that users could safely remove this metapackage to keep only the parts they want
[11:32] <raphink> but if they want all the parts, installing this meta would do 
[11:32] <Riddell> raphink: hmm, interesting
[11:33] <raphink> :)
[11:33] <raphink> when new parts are released, we could update the metapackage to have it install them by default
[11:34] <raphink> this way we keep both `easiness' for basic users and choice for advanced ones
[11:35] <raphink> which is not the case if we have kontact directly depend on the parts of course
[11:36] <Tonio_> hum........
[11:36] <Tonio_> that's a pain here is no usbuntu :)
[11:36] <Riddell> viviersf: I haven't seen that I'm afraid.  tried blanking the .kde directory to see if it's something in there that's causing it
[11:36] <raphink> Tonio_: ;)
[11:36] <Riddell> otherwise might try asking on a kde channel or mailing list
[11:36] <viviersf> Riddell, i did 
[11:36] <viviersf> still comes up
[11:37] <raphink> Riddell: it seems this had been found to be an issue with kbluetoothd I think
[11:37] <viviersf> its one of kde's app
[11:37] <viviersf> in the system tray
[11:43] <Riddell> raphink: what is?
[11:43] <raphink> the bug with klauncher at logout Riddell 
[11:44] <raphink> Riddell: what shall I do about kontact? do you want me to work on a meta ?
[11:44] <Riddell> raphink: sure
[11:44] <raphink> ok then I will :)
[11:44] <raphink> I'll name it kontact-components
[11:45] <raphink> and I'll release a patch for kontact, too :)
[11:50] <Riddell> raphink: just do it as part of the kdepim package
[11:50] <Riddell> debdiff is fine
[11:50] <raphink> ah
[11:50] <raphink> so you want me to modify kdepim and add a binary right?
[11:51] <Riddell> yeah, an empty one
[11:51] <raphink> sure
[11:51] <raphink> :)
[11:51] <raphink> I'll do that
[11:51] <Riddell> although kdepim could be said to already cover this
[11:52] <raphink> mhm
[11:54] <raphink> hmm
[11:54] <raphink> actually yes Riddell 
[11:54] <raphink> kdepim would be quite the same as the one i'm gonna make ...
[11:55] <raphink> so maybe what could be done would be to add a note on kontact components in the kdepim description
[11:55] <raphink> so apt-cache searching for kontact would bring kdepim up
[11:55] <raphink>  kdepim is a collection of Personal Information Management (PIM) tools for the
[11:55] <raphink>  K Desktop Enviromnent (KDE).
[11:55] <raphink>  .
[11:55] <raphink>  This is an empty package which depends on the current version of every
[11:55] <raphink>  application in the kdepim distribution.
[11:56] <raphink> this doesn't help understanding these parts are used in kontact
[05:09] <nlindblad> 24GiB seeded!!!
[05:44] <jsgotangco> Riddell: ping?
[05:45] <Riddell> jsgotangco: pong?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> Riddell: hi, just updating the kubuntu quick guide
[05:46] <jsgotangco> Riddell: is it possible to just rename kbtobexclient to just simply bluetooth obex client?
[05:47] <jsgotangco> as with the kbtserialchat
[05:48] <Riddell> jsgotangco: well it says "bluetooth obex client" in the menu
[05:49] <jsgotangco> Riddell: it does but the name of the app itself just doesn't read right :/
[05:49] <Riddell> jsgotangco: where doesn't it read right?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> Riddell: i meant it doesn't make sense (to me) at all, even if its obviously a bluetooth client, even the app itself is named "Bluetooth OBEX Object Push client"
[05:52] <Riddell> in the K-menu it says "Bluetooth OBEX Client"
[05:52] <Riddell> so where's the bad name?
[05:53] <Riddell> hmm, I see it in the titlebar 
[05:53] <Riddell> and it doesn't have an icon
[05:53] <jsgotangco> yup
[05:53] <jsgotangco> that too
[05:54] <nlindblad> Riddell: would a Swedish Kubuntu page be welcome?
[05:54] <Riddell> nlindblad: you mean website?
[05:54] <nlindblad> yeah
[05:55] <Riddell> nlindblad: what would be on it?
[05:55] <nlindblad> well, a translation of the English website
[05:56] <Riddell> nlindblad: that's tricky, it gets out of date quickly, see kubuntu.de for example
[05:56] <Riddell> nlindblad: what's needed is a way to properly translate the website
[05:56] <Riddell> i.e. export it to .po files etc
[05:57] <Riddell> nlindblad: if you want to investigate how to set that up that would be great :)
[05:57] <Riddell> it's just php, I know it's possible
[05:57] <nlindblad> Riddell: rosetta?
[05:57] <nlindblad> Riddell: ah, you mean a "choose your language" thing in PHP
[05:57] <Riddell> nlindblad: yes.  the tricky thing is exporting to .po and making the php use the .po files
[05:57] <nlindblad> Riddell: yeah
[05:58] <Riddell> it's entirely possible, I just don't have time for it
[05:58] <Riddell> a quick google should find you ways to do it though
[05:58] <nlindblad> Riddell: but a real effiecent system with notifications to the translators it should be possible to translate every new text in no more than 12 hours
[05:58] <Riddell> yep
[05:59] <nlindblad> I'll do an investigation
[06:00] <jsgotangco> Riddell: and Wallet Management Tool seems pretty lonely on Settings
[06:01] <jjesse> jsgotangco: printing manager is there as well
[06:01] <Riddell> jsgotangco: fixed in 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu4
[06:01] <Riddell> jjesse: is it?  shouldn't be
[06:01] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:01] <jjesse> doh sorry that was breezy box
[06:01] <jjesse> stupid me
[06:57] <nlindblad> Riddell: I'm looking forward to your speach
[06:58] <Riddell> uh oh, pressure
[06:58] <Riddell> nlindblad: I'll just say "kubuntu is great because we have cool people like nlindblad, nlindblad tell us all about it"
[06:58] <nlindblad> right
[07:04] <Tm_T> =)
[07:42] <nlindblad> Riddell: if I'm the person making Kubuntu great then this project is doomed
[11:14] <Riddell> Mez: who do I talk to about backports
[11:17] <\sh> to jdong or mez :)
[11:18] <\sh> oh newest rumours of pykde.
[11:19] <Riddell> \sh: rumours?
[11:19] <\sh> I'll work together with the debian maintainers on those packages for sip4/pyqt/kde (for kde3 and for qt4/kde4)
[11:19] <Riddell> groovy
[11:19] <\sh> we will setup some projects on alioth...and try to do some nifty work together
[11:19] <Riddell> could just use kde-qt project
[11:20] <\sh> and sharing some space with the qt-kde debian group
[11:20] <Riddell> exactly :)
[11:20] <\sh> mailed today with ricardo and torsten 
[11:21] <\sh> but we won't merge it with kde-bindings...the strange release cycles of pykde and stuff are not for merging somehow :)
[11:21] <Riddell> yeah
[11:27] <raphink> JRe: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-fr
[11:27] <raphink> :)
[11:28] <Riddell> oh la la
[11:28] <raphink> haha :)
[11:28] <raphink> Riddell: Tonio is applying tomorrow for member :)
[11:28] <raphink> (and soon for MOTU I hope)
[11:28] <\sh> rock
[11:29] <raphink> yeah :)
[11:29] <Riddell> we should get freeflying for membership too
[11:29] <raphink> n' roll
[11:29] <raphink> yes
[11:29] <raphink> and some others
[11:29] <raphink> laserjock should be a motu, but he's a gnome dev I think
[11:29] <jjesse> community council meeting tomorrow?
[11:30] <raphink> yep jjesse 
[11:30] <raphink> tomorrow evening
[11:30] <jjesse> raphink: depnding on time zone :)
[11:30] <raphink> jjesse: evening UTC :p
[11:31] <raphink> we plan meetings with UTC, 21 UTC is evening :)
[11:31] <jjesse> hmm will have to only catch part as that is during the running group time 
[11:31] <raphink> ok
[11:32] <\sh> night guys
[11:32] <jjesse> night /sh
[11:32] <raphink> night \sh_away 
[11:45] <sealne> has anyone else seen errors in breezy with kubuntu.org 3.5 packages? with a fresh from cd breezy install followed by a dist-upgrade i get and error from kdepim-kresources_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy2_i386.deb "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kresources/kcal/blogging.desktop', which is also in package libkcal2a"
[11:47] <sealne> the dist-upgrade then fails, when i try it again it works
[11:48] <sealne> but adept gives a pretty nasty error that my class is going to all get tommorow when they are installing kubuntu :(
[11:48] <sealne> bah
[11:51] <allee> sealne: before doing dist-upgrade to 3.5 tell them to rm /usr/share/services/kresources/kcal/blogging.desktop
[11:51] <Riddell> sealne: yes, I noticed that today
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: raphink already uploaded soundkonverter
[11:52] <Riddell> sealne: I'll fix it for the 3.5.1 packages
[11:52] <sealne> ta
[11:52] <Tonio_> package has been approved by kathie
[11:52] <raphink> :s
[11:52] <Riddell> raphink: you're fired
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it necessary to post an exception requiest on the ML ?
[11:52] <raphink> Riddell: booh :(
[11:52] <raphink> Riddell: won't do it again :(
[11:52] <Riddell> raphink: ok, you're forgiven :)
[11:53] <sealne> allee: i think probably simpler to just rerun the dist-upgrade than tell them to delete the file
[11:53] <raphink> :)
[11:53] <raphink> seems i've accumulated all the mistakes I could do on this package 
[11:53] <raphink> I should not touch it anymore in the future
[11:53] <raphink> lol
[11:53] <Riddell> sealne: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/...
[11:54] <Tonio_> raphink: you don't have a lot of chance with this package ;)
[11:54] <raphink> Tonio_: you said it
[11:54] <raphink> lol
[11:54] <sealne> yeah, not sure why the second dist-upgrade dosen't just complain again, did the file move packages?
[11:54] <raphink> got wrong with the versionning, then with the orig, then with UVF
[11:54] <Tonio_> versioning errors, bad first uplolad, bad second upload lol
[11:54] <raphink> Tonio_: :p
[11:54] <Tonio_> arf
[11:54] <raphink> :(
[11:54] <raphink> hehe
[11:55] <raphink> these are errors i'll watch more closely in the future
[11:55] <Tonio_> keep all errors on it, the rest of your work will stay brilliant ;)
[11:55] <raphink> and I prefer to make them once, on a multiverse package
[11:55] <raphink> hehe
[11:55] <sealne> well theoretically eventually the monkeys at the typewriters would create a working package :)
[11:56] <allee> sealne: guess: during first dist-upgrade libkcalc2 is not upgraded, at second try libkcalc2 was already updated?
[11:56] <sealne> thats what i presume
[11:57] <sealne> hmm although it is complaining the file is also in libkcal2*a* isn't that the new one?
[11:57] <sealne> i can't remember
[11:58] <sealne> oh no b is the new one
[11:58] <sealne> so yeah