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bhuvan | where do we find the latest ubuntu-doc package (.deb) for breezy | 06:32 |
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LaserJock | bhuvan: packages.ubuntu.com? | 06:37 |
robotgeek | hey bhuvan LaserJock | 06:38 |
LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 06:38 |
bhuvan | LaserJock, seems packages.ubuntu.com is either slow or down ? | 06:39 |
LaserJock | bhuvan: weird, it's not for me | 06:40 |
bhuvan | LaserJock, ok | 06:40 |
LaserJock | http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/text/ubuntu-docs is what you want I think | 06:40 |
LaserJock | gotta go, hope that helps bhuvan | 06:41 |
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Burgundavia_ | robitaille, now I see you | 08:08 |
robitaille | yep, I'm now in. | 08:10 |
robitaille | how did the installfest went? | 08:10 |
Burgundavia_ | not bad | 08:11 |
Burgundavia_ | nobody who had never used Linux or didn't already have it on their machines | 08:11 |
Burgundavia_ | only 6 showed | 08:11 |
Burgundavia_ | I am already planning the next one | 08:12 |
robitaille | how many Ubuntu? | 08:12 |
Burgundavia_ | only 1, but almost everybody was using ubuntu to fix and fix problems in their other distros | 08:13 |
robitaille | :) | 08:13 |
Burgundavia_ | somebody doing a stage 3 gentoo install | 08:16 |
Burgundavia_ | I guess that was a fresh install, but not exactly typical | 08:16 |
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bhuvan | mdke, ping | 09:02 |
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mdke | bhuvan, yeah | 10:07 |
bhuvan | mdke, i wish to discuss 2 things. i'm just composing the email! | 10:07 |
bhuvan | 1) regarding the broken sample link error. do you remember the open issue no ? | 10:07 |
mdke | yes | 10:08 |
mdke | email is good though | 10:08 |
bhuvan | 2) i have send an email | 10:09 |
bhuvan | 1) ? | 10:09 |
mdke | i see you edited something in the breezy branch | 10:09 |
mdke | you can't do that! :) | 10:09 |
bhuvan | yep ? | 10:10 |
bhuvan | i intended to address the broken "sample" links | 10:11 |
mdke | yeah but that branch is not going anywhere | 10:11 |
bhuvan | oh ok. aren't we providing updates for breezy / | 10:11 |
mdke | yes, but not from that branch | 10:11 |
bhuvan | then ? | 10:12 |
mdke | the breezy update was prepared from the source of the breezy package | 10:12 |
mdke | it should be uploaded today or tomorrow I hope | 10:13 |
mdke | the sample error was not addressed though, because I made the update over a month ago :( | 10:13 |
mdke | it has taken a month to get uploaded because there were some problems with the edubuntu-artwork package | 10:14 |
bhuvan | ok | 10:14 |
mdke | so one of the devs had to sort it out | 10:15 |
bhuvan | ok | 10:15 |
mdke | bhuvan, is the sample thing broken in dapper? | 10:15 |
bhuvan | i guess not | 10:16 |
bhuvan | in breezy it was due to missing entries in debian/install file | 10:16 |
bhuvan | to install sample/* we must make entries in that file i guess | 10:17 |
mdke | yes | 10:17 |
bhuvan | after i did this change, i build a breezy (5.10-7) package, installed and tested | 10:17 |
bhuvan | generally, how do we (docteam) provide updates if we dont have access to source of breezy package ? | 10:18 |
mdke | of course you do | 10:19 |
mdke | apt-get source ubuntu-docs | 10:19 |
bhuvan | i meant, how do we provide updates if we dont have write access ? | 10:20 |
mdke | you ask a developer to upload it for you | 10:20 |
bhuvan | oh ok | 10:21 |
jsgotangco | ubuntu brief? | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | hope its not a pair! | 10:22 |
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mdke | is that a joke? | 10:22 |
jsgotangco | well that ubuntu brief thing totally escaped me | 10:23 |
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jsgotangco | its probably the ff homepage? | 10:23 |
mdke | yes | 10:23 |
mdke | i thought you were making a joke about underpants or something | 10:23 |
jsgotangco | well sure | 10:23 |
mdke | afk | 10:28 |
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mdke | bhuvan, btw I think I'll remove that branch to avoid confusion. Sorry not to have done it earlier | 10:36 |
bhuvan | mdke, ok. imo, we can atleast have a README in the main dir instead of removing ? | 10:40 |
mdke | it has no purpose | 10:43 |
mdke | the breezy source can be found in tags | 10:43 |
mdke | i'll add the source of the update when it arrives | 10:43 |
bhuvan | mdke, ok | 10:44 |
mdke | mailing the list now | 10:44 |
bhuvan | mdke, ok | 10:44 |
bhuvan | mdke, i could see see thousands of diff between branches/breezy & breezy source (downloaded from 'apt-get source ubuntu-docs) :) | 10:46 |
mdke | yeah | 10:46 |
bhuvan | is it worth looking into them ? | 10:46 |
mdke | no | 10:46 |
mdke | the breezy source is the latest stuff | 10:46 |
bhuvan | mdke, ok | 10:46 |
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bhuvan | mdke, atleast for this broken "sample" links, i have applied this patch on 5.10-6 and created 5.10-7. shall i post it to ubuntu-devel mailing list ? | 10:50 |
mdke | no | 10:50 |
mdke | you'll need to wait for the update, and make a patch for that | 10:50 |
mdke | but we will have to think about whether it is worthwhile doing an update to fix that bug | 10:51 |
manicka | mdke :) | 10:51 |
mdke | don't forget that breezy-updates are reserved for special cases! | 10:51 |
manicka | the doc | 10:51 |
mdke | mdz will only give permission in rare cases | 10:51 |
manicka | oops | 10:51 |
mdke | hi manicka | 10:51 |
manicka | The UDSF team has almost finished their statement as per sabfl's request for the next cc meeting | 10:52 |
manicka | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSF | 10:52 |
mdke | bhuvan, i'll ask if the thing has been uploaded already, maybe we can squeeze it into the update | 10:52 |
manicka | I wanted to give the doc-team the opportunity to add comments about it on the talk page as per sabfl's request | 10:53 |
bhuvan | mdke, give it a try as it is a trivial change which would make solid diff to existing faq guides | 10:53 |
bhuvan | mdke, and let me know how it goes, thanks much | 10:53 |
mdke | ok | 10:53 |
mdke | manicka, ok. I read it the other day. The first thing I thought is that you need a question for the CC to answer if it is on the agenda. At the moment I don't see one. | 10:56 |
manicka | hmm, ok I'll add some more to the agenda | 10:57 |
jsgotangco | mdke: the upstream docs also refer to the css that you made? | 10:58 |
mdke | jsgotangco, yes | 10:59 |
jsgotangco | they render nicely? | 10:59 |
mdke | bhuvan, ok i will do the fix and pass it to the dev | 10:59 |
bhuvan | mdke, thanks | 11:00 |
mdke | jsgotangco, no reason why not. I can't test because yelp is broken | 11:00 |
jsgotangco | same here | 11:00 |
jsgotangco | mdke: i just thought of a random breakage that's all | 11:00 |
mdke | jsgotangco, which? | 11:01 |
jsgotangco | on upstream docs duhhh | 11:02 |
jsgotangco | :P | 11:02 |
mdke | what breakage? | 11:02 |
jsgotangco | i said random and its not even proven if there is such because yelp is broken currently :P | 11:02 |
mdke | i don't think it should break, it's only display related | 11:03 |
jsgotangco | like i said we don't know till it happens | 11:03 |
mdke | ok... | 11:04 |
manicka | ok, agenda item clarified | 11:09 |
mdke | bhuvan, got a bug number for the sample/ thing? nice catch on the da/cs typos btw | 11:09 |
bhuvan | mdke, ok | 11:12 |
mdke | manicka, "Official Wiki and Doc team members saw it as a threat" <-- nonsense | 11:12 |
manicka | It's not my words | 11:13 |
manicka | feel free to add comment on the talk page | 11:13 |
mdke | ok i'll take a look later | 11:14 |
mdke | bhuvan, there isn't a bug open about the sample/ thing? | 11:14 |
bhuvan | mdke, ok | 11:15 |
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mdke | bhuvan, i'm asking! | 11:15 |
bhuvan | i'm not aware of the bug no. i remember you saying there was an open bug. it was MY QUESTION NO 1 :) | 11:16 |
mdke | ok, i can't find the bug :/ | 11:16 |
bhuvan | shall i open one if it is mandatory to provide the update ? | 11:17 |
mdke | no, no | 11:18 |
mdke | no problem | 11:18 |
mdke | bhuvan, can you check this diff for me: http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff | 11:19 |
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mdke | bhuvan, actually, i'll mention that you provided the fix in the changelog. Other than that, if the diff looks ok, i'll push it through | 11:25 |
bhuvan | mdke, diff is perfect | 11:26 |
mdke | bhuvan, good, thanks | 11:26 |
jsgotangco | brb | 11:27 |
mdke | bhuvan, oh crap, that's not gonna work, the sample/ directory is only in C | 11:35 |
bhuvan | mdke, yes :) | 11:35 |
mdke | that diff won't work thenm | 11:36 |
bhuvan | so, we should do +generic/faqguide/C/sample/* usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/en_AU/sample ? | 11:36 |
mdke | yeah | 11:36 |
bhuvan | i noticed, but forgot while applying/verifying the patches :) | 11:36 |
mdke | ok http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff should be right | 11:46 |
mdke | if not, I don't care >_< | 11:46 |
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mdke | bhuvan, thanks for that fix | 11:50 |
manicka | is robotgeek around | 12:06 |
manicka | ? | 12:06 |
robotgeek | yeah manicka | 12:07 |
manicka | I just wanted you to know that we've added a link to Wireless Network Central to http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/HardwareBreezy | 12:08 |
robotgeek | manicka: thanks, i guess that's where most of the wireless info on the wiki will be | 12:09 |
manicka | it's a great page :) | 12:09 |
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robotgeek | it's just stuff on the wiki, better organised | 12:10 |
manicka | nice :) | 12:10 |
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mdke | manicka, "The UDSF doesn't have to go through such a process" (from your comment). Actually this is not accurate. In terms of licensing, you also need to seek the author's permission before copying a document to the gwos area. There is no difference between the gwos area and the wiki in terms of what copyright infringements are permitted | 12:11 |
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mdke | manicka, further, it's not quite right that I told you that to add documents to the wiki, you need to discuss it first on irc or the mailing list. That is not the case at all | 12:12 |
manicka | hmmm, that was my impression from our conersation | 12:12 |
mdke | you can add anything to the wiki, it's totally open | 12:13 |
mdke | we ask that guidelines are followed for documentation which appears in the index | 12:13 |
mdke | we also ask that major structural or organisation changes are discussed with the team | 12:13 |
manicka | My understanding is that our licensing allows us to move data from the forums to gwos freely without seeking permission | 12:13 |
mdke | manicka, if that understanding is right, then it can be moved freely to the wiki as well. But I don't think it is | 12:14 |
mdke | it depends on the licensing of the forums | 12:14 |
manicka | that would be worth discussing further with kb | 12:15 |
mdke | don't forget that when material appears on the gwos area, the material is released in the public domain, so you need authors' permission to do that | 12:15 |
mdke | unless they release their material in the public domain already, when they post on the forum | 12:15 |
manicka | hmmm, the licensing issues are a grey area for me, kb would know more | 12:16 |
mdke | in any case, there is no difference between gwos and the wiki in that respect | 12:16 |
manicka | my understanding is that post to the forum are public domain | 12:16 |
manicka | but I could be wrong | 12:16 |
mdke | ok. if that is correct, then material can be moved directly into the wiki, or anywhere else, from the forum | 12:17 |
mdke | there is nothing special about gwos in that respect | 12:17 |
manicka | you would think so, but that's not what I was told i had to do originally | 12:18 |
mdke | it depends on whether posts to the forum are public domain or not | 12:18 |
manicka | I can't give a definitive answer, my belief is they are | 12:18 |
mdke | ok, my point is that regardless of what the answer is, that is no reason to distinguish betwen gwos and the ubuntu wiki | 12:19 |
manicka | I understand what your saying | 12:19 |
mdke | ok | 12:19 |
manicka | it would have been nice to clarify all this many months ago | 12:20 |
manicka | then again discussions were a bit tense I guess | 12:20 |
mdke | throughout all these various discussions, all I see are continuous misunderstandings of the situation | 12:22 |
mdke | bah | 12:22 |
manicka | that may be so, I haven't been privi to the main dialogue | 12:23 |
mdke | ok i'll write a comment | 12:32 |
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mdke | manicka, are the forums working? I can't connect | 12:36 |
robotgeek | mdke: nope, down. they are moving to a different server | 12:37 |
mdke | ok | 12:39 |
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mdke | manicka, alright, I've written something | 12:59 |
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manicka | mdke, thanks for your comments | 01:18 |
mdke | np | 01:19 |
manicka | I was interested to read the BetterWikiDocs | 01:19 |
mdke | yeah, that's a tough spec | 01:19 |
manicka | perhaps a merger may be possible when that process gets underway | 01:19 |
manicka | just a thought | 01:19 |
mdke | you think that that will make all the difference? | 01:20 |
manicka | I'm if nothing else, an optimist | 01:21 |
mdke | me too | 01:21 |
mdke | but I can't help but feel that the continuous unnecessary misunderstandings are simply evidence of a mmistrust of anything "official" on the part of some forum members | 01:23 |
mdke | i don't understand where it comes from | 01:23 |
manicka | hmmm, I can't speak for others but I don't feel that way | 01:24 |
mdke | that's good, there is no reason too, the forums are obviously a big part of the ubuntu community | 01:24 |
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jsgotangco | bummer all translations seem to have its own set of images on svn | 04:06 |
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jsgotangco | hey jjesse | 04:13 |
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jsgotangco | jjesse: i've started small changes to kquickguide | 05:22 |
jsgotangco | just committed it | 05:22 |
jjesse | awesome, is there al ot to do? | 05:24 |
jsgotangco | some menu re-arrangements | 05:29 |
jsgotangco | and some additions like the bluetooth stuff | 05:29 |
jsgotangco | i'll focus on re-arranging the menus based on flight 3 first before tackling the screenshots | 05:29 |
jjesse | ok sounds like a plan | 05:31 |
jsgotangco | it'll be a better doc before the week ends :) | 05:32 |
jjesse | that's good to hear | 05:34 |
jjesse | then release notes and the quick guide should be 99% done | 05:35 |
jsgotangco | jjesse: i'm just dumping text at the moment, i won't be testing it yet | 05:36 |
jsgotangco | so it probably won't build | 05:36 |
jjesse | the quick guide and the release notes are the only two we are releasing right now for kubuntu correct? | 05:37 |
jsgotangco | well they're the most stable we have for now | 05:38 |
jsgotangco | unless we get some hardcore writer out there that can do a whole guide in less than 4 months | 05:39 |
jsgotangco | we can add more quick howtos on the quickguide i guess | 05:39 |
jsgotangco | since the initial part of the doc was basically simple howtos | 05:40 |
jjesse | and that guide would be the desktopguide? | 05:40 |
mdke | s/4 months/2 months | 05:40 |
jsgotangco | ill just be adding the bluetooth sub-sections now and i'll be done for the evening | 05:41 |
jsgotangco | its almost 1am | 05:41 |
jsgotangco | heh | 05:41 |
jjesse | grin that would be way past my bed time | 05:41 |
jjesse | i'll svn up whatever you commit tonight and that way i can do some work this evening | 05:42 |
mdke | guys don't forget that committing stuff which doesn't validate will mean that the preview server won't get updated, until you fix it | 05:57 |
jsgotangco | nahh its ok | 05:57 |
jsgotangco | its just temporary | 05:57 |
jsgotangco | i may have dsl but its taking a while to actually download the updates on my side | 05:58 |
mdke | cool | 05:58 |
mdke | as long as you remember :) | 05:58 |
mdke | i figured it was temporary | 05:58 |
mdke | i wonder where rob1 has got to these days | 06:04 |
jsgotangco | he just went *bamf* all of a sudden but i still see him on the freenode chan | 06:05 |
mdke | strange | 06:07 |
mdke | you think he's gonna come back? | 06:07 |
jsgotangco | well i sure hope so, i guess he's just busy with work or currently in a strange schedule | 06:08 |
mdke | i hope so too | 06:09 |
jsgotangco | well i gotta sleep see you later | 06:16 |
mdke | night | 06:17 |
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LaserJock | mdke: I got an email from elmo! | 06:28 |
mdke | yeah | 06:29 |
LaserJock | umm, now I'm not exactly sure what to do with it? | 06:32 |
mdke | decrypt it and you get your user/password | 06:32 |
LaserJock | ok, then? | 06:32 |
mdke | then use it to commit to svn | 06:34 |
LaserJock | so just commit and it will ask me for my password? | 06:35 |
mdke | yep | 06:35 |
LaserJock | oh, ok. I've just never commited to a non-local repo before | 06:35 |
mdke | LaserJock, worky? | 06:38 |
LaserJock | just a sec | 06:38 |
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LaserJock | mdke: is it ok if I add myself to /commmon/authors/ ? | 06:39 |
mdke | sure | 06:40 |
LaserJock | cool | 06:42 |
LaserJock | it worked | 06:43 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, was that the sight of you having commit access? | 06:44 |
LaserJock | Burgwork: yes! | 06:44 |
Burgwork | cool | 06:44 |
mdke | seb128, btw did you seegood | 06:45 |
mdke | argh | 06:45 |
mdke | LaserJock, good | 06:45 |
LaserJock | today I will commit what i've got of the Packaging Guide (not much but I want theCore to atleast be able to see what I've been up to) | 06:45 |
mdke | rocking | 06:46 |
LaserJock | mdke: I have a question about the revhistory. Should I be adding entries to it? | 06:46 |
mdke | bleh | 06:46 |
mdke | dunno, i removed the revhistory from the desktop guide last weekend | 06:47 |
LaserJock | is it ok to just get rid of it? | 06:47 |
mdke | well, i did, so blame me | 06:47 |
LaserJock | I don't quite understand its purpose | 06:47 |
mdke | --> home | 06:48 |
mgalvin | hey guys | 07:47 |
mgalvin | VMwarePlayerAndQemu is all set if anyone has time to take a peek | 07:47 |
LaserJock | mgalvin: are you sure you need to use g++-3.4? I think I just installed the linux-headers and off it went. | 07:54 |
LaserJock | I do have g++3.4 installed but I didn't do CC= | 07:54 |
jjesse | i had to install gtt 3.4 | 07:54 |
LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if you need the export CC= though | 07:55 |
mgalvin | LaserJock: i have always had to set cc=gcc-3.4 | 07:55 |
LaserJock | hmm, I wonder what I did wrong then :-) | 07:55 |
mgalvin | since the page is meant to work for breezy to, i think it is safe to keep it there | 07:56 |
mgalvin | makes it work for breezy... no harm on dapper :) | 07:56 |
LaserJock | well, I don't think it hurts | 07:56 |
LaserJock | I just wondered | 07:56 |
mgalvin | i'll try a clean install to verify if it works without it when i get a chance, it may not be needed on dapper, not sure | 07:56 |
LaserJock | the wiki page looks awesome though | 07:57 |
mgalvin | thanks :) | 07:58 |
LaserJock | I'm getting now to where I don't think I will ever need to dual boot anything | 07:58 |
LaserJock | I use dchroot and vmware now | 07:58 |
mgalvin | cool... i haven't dual booted in ages :) | 07:58 |
LaserJock | In the past I have had several linux distros on at the same time but now I will just fire up vmware-player | 07:59 |
mdke | mgalvin, add to DocumentationTeam/News2 please, nice work :D | 08:03 |
mgalvin | mdke: already done, thanks :) | 08:03 |
mdke | ah cool | 08:03 |
mgalvin | also added LiveCDPersistance the other day as well | 08:03 |
mgalvin | oh yea, and DapperFlight3 | 08:03 |
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LaserJock | when will News2 go out? | 08:07 |
mgalvin | LaserJock: early Feb. i would think | 08:07 |
LaserJock | doh, I was thinking we were in Feb. already | 08:08 |
mgalvin | ahh, please no, time goes to fast already ;) | 08:08 |
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mdke | LaserJock, i think we will just release news every now and again when they are ready | 08:11 |
mdke | when we have something to put in them :) | 08:11 |
LaserJock | I was just thinking that maybe I could get some Packaging Guide in there if I have time. ;-) | 08:12 |
Burgwork | mgalvin, when you find one, I want to rent it part time | 08:13 |
mgalvin | :) | 08:13 |
jjesse | hmm installed a dapper build via vmplaery per the wiki page and get a message "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root does not exist | 08:29 |
jjesse | wierd it appears to be working now | 08:31 |
mgalvin | jjesse: which dapper build? | 08:42 |
jjesse | mgalvin: flight3 | 08:42 |
jjesse | i rebooted the vmplayer and it worked | 08:42 |
mgalvin | ok, at least it worked | 08:42 |
mdke | LaserJock, absolutely. great plan | 09:07 |
mdke | heh | 09:26 |
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Kyral | Should I do something on Xen? | 09:26 |
mgalvin | mdke: i commit the content in sections in case i need to roll something back... its just a kind of long doc... sorry for the extra noise | 09:28 |
mgalvin | i don't normally get to sit down and do it all at once :( | 09:28 |
mdke | no problemo | 09:32 |
mdke | it's great that you comment on each one | 09:32 |
mgalvin | does anyone have VMware Player on a windows machine to see if coping over the vmdk image created will also work on windows | 09:39 |
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mgalvin | it should, just can't verify atm | 09:40 |
LaserJock | mgalvin: oh, I hadn't even thought of that. I will have to try that out when I get home tonight :-) | 09:40 |
mgalvin | LaserJock: cool, thanks | 09:40 |
LaserJock | I have only Windows machines at home, it would be nice to be able to use vmware-player at home | 09:41 |
mgalvin | LaserJock: if you find that it works please feel free to add that info to the wiki | 09:41 |
mgalvin | maybe under addition info or something | 09:42 |
LaserJock | mgalvin: what whould I have to transfer? | 09:42 |
mgalvin | LaserJock: you shoul only really need the .vmdk image and the .vmx config file | 09:43 |
LaserJock | i wouldn't need the qemu .img ? | 09:43 |
mgalvin | correct, no .img (that can be deleted since it is no longer needed), it is essentially a temp file | 09:44 |
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mgalvin | vmplayer will just generate everything else it needs | 09:44 |
LaserJock | mgalvin: ok, cool. I'll try it out tonight and put something on the wiki if it works :-) | 09:44 |
mgalvin | LaserJock: great thanks :) | 09:44 |
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ompaul | looking for a doc that lists the likes of >>no apic<< and the dma stuff and all that | 11:32 |
ompaul | any pointers? | 11:32 |
ompaul | I need to create a factoid for #ubuntu | 11:32 |
ompaul | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=boot&titlesearch=Titles << that has too much info :) | 11:33 |
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Burgwork | ompaul, you mean kernel options? | 11:40 |
ompaul | Burgwork, I do, indeed, btw I had something funny to say about your mail this morning but I bit my tounge :-) big fast cars | 11:41 |
ompaul | I also stopped myself from typing | 11:41 |
ompaul | Burgwork, if you don't know one I should research one do a wiki page on that tomorrow, maybe or better put it on the docs list and let someone with clues in the astetics region get to work on it | 12:00 |
Burgwork | ompaul, start a wiki page, be bold! | 12:03 |
ompaul | Burgwork, yeah and 20 seconds later you or mdke = for review and stuff :) | 12:04 |
Burgwork | yep | 12:04 |
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