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bhuvanwhere do we find the latest ubuntu-doc package (.deb) for breezy06:32
LaserJockbhuvan: packages.ubuntu.com?06:37
robotgeekhey bhuvan LaserJock 06:38
LaserJockhi robotgeek 06:38
bhuvanLaserJock, seems packages.ubuntu.com is either slow or down ?06:39
LaserJockbhuvan: weird, it's not for me06:40
bhuvanLaserJock, ok06:40
LaserJockhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/text/ubuntu-docs is what you want I think06:40
LaserJockgotta go, hope that helps bhuvan 06:41
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Burgundavia_robitaille, now I see you08:08
robitailleyep, I'm now in.08:10
robitaillehow did the installfest went?08:10
Burgundavia_not bad08:11
Burgundavia_nobody who had never used Linux or didn't already have it on their machines08:11
Burgundavia_only 6 showed08:11
Burgundavia_I am already planning the next one08:12
robitaillehow many Ubuntu?08:12
Burgundavia_only 1, but almost everybody was using ubuntu to fix and fix problems in their other distros08:13
robitaille:)08:13
Burgundavia_somebody doing a stage 3 gentoo install08:16
Burgundavia_I guess that was a fresh install, but not exactly typical08:16
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bhuvanmdke, ping09:02
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mdkebhuvan, yeah10:07
bhuvanmdke, i wish to discuss 2 things. i'm just composing the email!10:07
bhuvan1) regarding the broken sample link error. do you remember the open issue no ?10:07
mdkeyes10:08
mdkeemail is good though10:08
bhuvan2) i have send an email10:09
bhuvan1) ?10:09
mdkei see you edited something in the breezy branch10:09
mdkeyou can't do that! :)10:09
bhuvanyep ?10:10
bhuvani intended to address the broken "sample" links10:11
mdkeyeah but that branch is not going anywhere10:11
bhuvanoh ok. aren't we providing updates for breezy /10:11
mdkeyes, but not from that branch10:11
bhuvanthen ?10:12
mdkethe breezy update was prepared from the source of the breezy package10:12
mdkeit should be uploaded today or tomorrow I hope10:13
mdkethe sample error was not addressed though, because I made the update over a month ago :(10:13
mdkeit has taken a month to get uploaded because there were some problems with the edubuntu-artwork package10:14
bhuvanok10:14
mdkeso one of the devs had to sort it out10:15
bhuvanok10:15
mdkebhuvan, is the sample thing broken in dapper?10:15
bhuvani guess not10:16
bhuvanin breezy it was due to missing entries in debian/install file10:16
bhuvanto install sample/* we must make entries in that file i guess10:17
mdkeyes10:17
bhuvanafter i did this change, i build a breezy (5.10-7) package, installed and tested10:17
bhuvangenerally, how do we (docteam) provide updates if we dont have access to source of breezy package ?10:18
mdkeof course you do10:19
mdkeapt-get source ubuntu-docs10:19
bhuvani meant, how do we provide updates if we dont have write access ?10:20
mdkeyou ask a developer to upload it for you10:20
bhuvanoh ok10:21
jsgotangcoubuntu brief?10:22
jsgotangcohope its not a pair!10:22
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mdkeis that a joke?10:22
jsgotangcowell that ubuntu brief thing totally escaped me10:23
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jsgotangcoits probably the ff homepage?10:23
mdkeyes10:23
mdkei thought you were making a joke about underpants or something10:23
jsgotangcowell sure10:23
mdkeafk10:28
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mdkebhuvan, btw I think I'll remove that branch to avoid confusion. Sorry not to have done it earlier10:36
bhuvanmdke, ok. imo, we can atleast have a README in the main dir instead of removing ?10:40
mdkeit has no purpose10:43
mdkethe breezy source can be found in tags10:43
mdkei'll add the source of the update when it arrives10:43
bhuvanmdke, ok10:44
mdkemailing the list now10:44
bhuvanmdke, ok10:44
bhuvanmdke, i could see see thousands of diff between branches/breezy & breezy source (downloaded from 'apt-get source ubuntu-docs) :)10:46
mdkeyeah10:46
bhuvanis it worth looking into them ?10:46
mdkeno10:46
mdkethe breezy source is the latest stuff10:46
bhuvanmdke, ok10:46
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bhuvanmdke, atleast for this broken "sample" links, i have applied this patch on 5.10-6 and created 5.10-7. shall i post it to ubuntu-devel mailing list ?10:50
mdkeno10:50
mdkeyou'll need to wait for the update, and make a patch for that10:50
mdkebut we will have to think about whether it is worthwhile doing an update to fix that bug10:51
manickamdke :)10:51
mdkedon't forget that breezy-updates are reserved for special cases!10:51
manickathe doc10:51
mdkemdz will only give permission in rare cases10:51
manickaoops10:51
mdkehi manicka 10:51
manickaThe UDSF team has almost finished their statement as per sabfl's request for the next cc meeting10:52
manickahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSF10:52
mdkebhuvan, i'll ask if the thing has been uploaded already, maybe we can squeeze it into the update10:52
manickaI wanted to give the doc-team the opportunity to add comments about it on the talk page as per sabfl's request10:53
bhuvanmdke, give it a try as it is a trivial change which would make solid diff to existing faq guides10:53
bhuvanmdke, and let me know how it goes, thanks much10:53
mdkeok10:53
mdkemanicka, ok. I read it the other day. The first thing I thought is that you need a question for the CC to answer if it is on the agenda. At the moment I don't see one.10:56
manickahmm, ok I'll add some more to the agenda10:57
jsgotangcomdke: the upstream docs also refer to the css that you made?10:58
mdkejsgotangco, yes10:59
jsgotangcothey render nicely?10:59
mdkebhuvan, ok i will do the fix and pass it to the dev10:59
bhuvanmdke, thanks11:00
mdkejsgotangco, no reason why not. I can't test because yelp is broken11:00
jsgotangcosame here11:00
jsgotangcomdke: i just thought of a random breakage that's all11:00
mdkejsgotangco, which?11:01
jsgotangcoon upstream docs duhhh11:02
jsgotangco:P11:02
mdkewhat breakage?11:02
jsgotangcoi said random and its not even proven if there is such because yelp is broken currently :P11:02
mdkei don't think it should break, it's only display related11:03
jsgotangcolike i said we don't know till it happens11:03
mdkeok...11:04
manickaok, agenda item clarified11:09
mdkebhuvan, got a bug number for the sample/ thing? nice catch on the da/cs typos btw11:09
bhuvanmdke, ok11:12
mdkemanicka, "Official Wiki and Doc team members saw it as a threat" <-- nonsense11:12
manickaIt's not my words11:13
manickafeel free to add comment on the talk page11:13
mdkeok i'll take a look later11:14
mdkebhuvan, there isn't a bug open about the sample/ thing?11:14
bhuvanmdke, ok11:15
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mdkebhuvan, i'm asking!11:15
bhuvani'm not aware of the bug no. i remember you saying there was an open bug. it was MY QUESTION NO 1 :)11:16
mdkeok, i can't find the bug :/11:16
bhuvanshall i open one if it is mandatory to provide the update ?11:17
mdkeno, no11:18
mdkeno problem11:18
mdkebhuvan, can you check this diff for me: http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff11:19
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mdkebhuvan, actually, i'll mention that you provided the fix in the changelog. Other than that, if the diff looks ok, i'll push it through11:25
bhuvanmdke, diff is perfect11:26
mdkebhuvan, good, thanks11:26
jsgotangcobrb11:27
mdkebhuvan, oh crap, that's not gonna work, the sample/ directory is only in C11:35
bhuvanmdke, yes :)11:35
mdkethat diff won't work thenm11:36
bhuvanso, we should do +generic/faqguide/C/sample/* usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/en_AU/sample ?11:36
mdkeyeah11:36
bhuvani noticed, but forgot while applying/verifying the patches :)11:36
mdkeok http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff should be right11:46
mdkeif not, I don't care >_<11:46
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mdkebhuvan, thanks for that fix11:50
manickais robotgeek around12:06
manicka?12:06
robotgeekyeah manicka 12:07
manickaI just wanted you to know that we've added a link to Wireless Network Central to http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/HardwareBreezy12:08
robotgeekmanicka: thanks, i guess that's where most of the wireless info on the wiki will be12:09
manickait's a great page :)12:09
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robotgeekit's just stuff on the wiki, better organised12:10
manickanice :)12:10
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mdkemanicka, "The UDSF doesn't have to go through such a process" (from your comment). Actually this is not accurate. In terms of licensing, you also need to seek the author's permission before copying a document to the gwos area. There is no difference between the gwos area and the wiki in terms of what copyright infringements are permitted12:11
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mdkemanicka, further, it's not quite right that I told you that to add documents to the wiki, you need to discuss it first on irc or the mailing list. That is not the case at all12:12
manickahmmm, that was my impression from our conersation12:12
mdkeyou can add anything to the wiki, it's totally open12:13
mdkewe ask that guidelines are followed for documentation which appears in the index12:13
mdkewe also ask that major structural or organisation changes are discussed with the team12:13
manickaMy understanding is that our licensing allows us to move data from the forums to gwos freely without seeking permission12:13
mdkemanicka, if that understanding is right, then it can be moved freely to the wiki as well. But I don't think it is12:14
mdkeit depends on the licensing of the forums12:14
manickathat would be worth discussing further with kb12:15
mdkedon't forget that when material appears on the gwos area, the material is released in the public domain, so you need authors' permission to do that12:15
mdkeunless they release their material in the public domain already, when they post on the forum12:15
manickahmmm, the licensing issues are a grey area for me, kb would know more12:16
mdkein any case, there is no difference between gwos and the wiki in that respect12:16
manickamy understanding is that post to the forum are public domain12:16
manickabut I could be wrong12:16
mdkeok. if that is correct, then material can be moved directly into the wiki, or anywhere else, from the forum12:17
mdkethere is nothing special about gwos in that respect12:17
manickayou would think so, but that's not what I was told i had to do originally12:18
mdkeit depends on whether posts to the forum are public domain or not12:18
manickaI can't give a definitive answer, my belief is they are12:18
mdkeok, my point is that regardless of what the answer is, that is no reason to distinguish betwen gwos and the ubuntu wiki12:19
manickaI understand what your saying12:19
mdkeok12:19
manickait would have been nice to clarify all this many months ago12:20
manickathen again discussions were a bit tense I guess12:20
mdkethroughout all these various discussions, all I see are continuous misunderstandings of the situation12:22
mdkebah12:22
manickathat may be so, I haven't been privi to the main dialogue12:23
mdkeok i'll write a comment12:32
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mdkemanicka, are the forums working? I can't connect12:36
robotgeekmdke: nope, down. they are moving to a different server12:37
mdkeok12:39
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mdkemanicka, alright, I've written something12:59
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manickamdke, thanks for your comments01:18
mdkenp01:19
manickaI was interested to read the BetterWikiDocs01:19
mdkeyeah, that's a tough spec01:19
manickaperhaps a merger may be possible when that process gets underway01:19
manickajust a thought01:19
mdkeyou think that that will make all the difference?01:20
manickaI'm if nothing else, an optimist01:21
mdkeme too01:21
mdkebut I can't help but feel that the continuous unnecessary misunderstandings are simply evidence of a mmistrust of anything "official" on the part of some forum members01:23
mdkei don't understand where it comes from01:23
manickahmmm, I can't speak for others but I don't feel that way01:24
mdkethat's good, there is no reason too, the forums are obviously a big part of the ubuntu community01:24
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jsgotangcobummer all translations seem to have its own set of images on svn04:06
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jsgotangcohey jjesse 04:13
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jsgotangcojjesse: i've started small changes to kquickguide05:22
jsgotangcojust committed it05:22
jjesseawesome, is there al ot to do?05:24
jsgotangcosome menu re-arrangements05:29
jsgotangcoand some additions like the bluetooth stuff05:29
jsgotangcoi'll focus on re-arranging the menus based on flight 3 first before tackling the screenshots05:29
jjesseok sounds like a plan05:31
jsgotangcoit'll be a better doc before the week ends :)05:32
jjessethat's good to hear05:34
jjessethen release notes and the quick guide should be 99% done05:35
jsgotangcojjesse: i'm just dumping text at the moment, i won't be testing it yet05:36
jsgotangcoso it probably won't build05:36
jjessethe quick guide and the release notes are the only two we are releasing right now for kubuntu correct?05:37
jsgotangcowell they're the most stable we have for now05:38
jsgotangcounless we get some hardcore writer out there that can do a whole guide in less than 4 months05:39
jsgotangcowe can add more quick howtos on the quickguide i guess05:39
jsgotangcosince the initial part of the doc was basically simple howtos05:40
jjesseand that guide would be the desktopguide?05:40
mdkes/4 months/2 months05:40
jsgotangcoill just be adding the bluetooth sub-sections now and i'll be done for the evening05:41
jsgotangcoits almost 1am05:41
jsgotangcoheh05:41
jjessegrin that would be way past my bed time05:41
jjessei'll svn up whatever you commit tonight and that way i can do some work this evening 05:42
mdkeguys don't forget that committing stuff which doesn't validate will mean that the preview server won't get updated, until you fix it05:57
jsgotangconahh its ok05:57
jsgotangcoits just temporary05:57
jsgotangcoi may have dsl but its taking a while to actually download the updates on my side05:58
mdkecool05:58
mdkeas long as you remember :)05:58
mdkei figured it was temporary05:58
mdkei wonder where rob1 has got to these days06:04
jsgotangcohe just went *bamf* all of a sudden but i still see him on the freenode chan06:05
mdkestrange06:07
mdkeyou think he's gonna come back?06:07
jsgotangcowell i sure hope so, i guess he's just busy with work or currently in a strange schedule06:08
mdkei hope so too06:09
jsgotangcowell i gotta sleep see you later06:16
mdkenight06:17
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LaserJockmdke: I got an email from elmo!06:28
mdkeyeah06:29
LaserJockumm, now I'm not exactly sure what to do with it?06:32
mdkedecrypt it and you get your user/password06:32
LaserJockok, then?06:32
mdkethen use it to commit to svn06:34
LaserJockso just commit and it will ask me for my password?06:35
mdkeyep06:35
LaserJockoh, ok. I've just never commited to a non-local repo before06:35
mdkeLaserJock, worky?06:38
LaserJockjust a sec06:38
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LaserJockmdke: is it ok if I add myself to /commmon/authors/ ?06:39
mdkesure06:40
LaserJockcool06:42
LaserJockit worked06:43
BurgworkLaserJock, was that the sight of you having commit access?06:44
LaserJockBurgwork: yes!06:44
Burgworkcool06:44
mdkeseb128, btw did you seegood06:45
mdkeargh06:45
mdkeLaserJock, good06:45
LaserJocktoday I will commit what i've got of the Packaging Guide (not much but I want theCore to atleast be able to see what I've been up to) 06:45
mdkerocking06:46
LaserJockmdke: I have a question about the revhistory. Should I be adding entries to it?06:46
mdkebleh06:46
mdkedunno, i removed the revhistory from the desktop guide last weekend06:47
LaserJockis it ok to just get rid of it?06:47
mdkewell, i did, so blame me06:47
LaserJockI don't quite understand its purpose06:47
mdke--> home06:48
mgalvinhey guys07:47
mgalvinVMwarePlayerAndQemu is all set if anyone has time to take a peek07:47
LaserJockmgalvin: are you sure you need to use g++-3.4? I think I just installed the linux-headers and off it went.07:54
LaserJockI do have g++3.4 installed but I didn't do CC=07:54
jjessei had to install gtt 3.407:54
LaserJockhmm, I wonder if you need the export CC= though07:55
mgalvinLaserJock: i have always had to set cc=gcc-3.407:55
LaserJockhmm, I wonder what I did wrong then :-)07:55
mgalvinsince the page is meant to work for breezy to, i think it is safe to keep it there07:56
mgalvinmakes it work for breezy... no harm on dapper :)07:56
LaserJockwell, I don't think it hurts07:56
LaserJockI just wondered07:56
mgalvini'll try a clean install to verify if it works without it when i get a chance, it may not be needed on dapper, not sure07:56
LaserJockthe wiki page looks awesome though07:57
mgalvinthanks :)07:58
LaserJockI'm getting now to where I don't think I will ever need to dual boot anything07:58
LaserJockI use dchroot and vmware now07:58
mgalvincool... i haven't dual booted in ages :)07:58
LaserJockIn the past I have had several linux distros on at the same time but now I will just fire up vmware-player07:59
mdkemgalvin, add to DocumentationTeam/News2 please, nice work :D08:03
mgalvinmdke: already done, thanks :)08:03
mdkeah cool08:03
mgalvinalso added LiveCDPersistance the other day as well08:03
mgalvinoh yea, and DapperFlight308:03
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LaserJockwhen will News2 go out?08:07
mgalvinLaserJock: early Feb. i would think08:07
LaserJockdoh, I was thinking we were in Feb. already08:08
mgalvinahh, please no, time goes to fast already ;)08:08
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mdkeLaserJock, i think we will just release news every now and again when they are ready08:11
mdkewhen we have something to put in them :)08:11
LaserJockI was just thinking that maybe I could get some Packaging Guide in there if I have time. ;-)08:12
Burgworkmgalvin, when you find one, I want to rent it part time08:13
mgalvin:)08:13
jjessehmm installed a dapper build via vmplaery per the wiki page and get a message "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root does not exist08:29
jjessewierd it appears to be working now08:31
mgalvinjjesse: which dapper build?08:42
jjessemgalvin: flight308:42
jjessei rebooted the vmplayer and it worked08:42
mgalvinok, at least it worked08:42
mdkeLaserJock, absolutely. great plan09:07
mdkeheh09:26
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KyralShould I do something on Xen?09:26
mgalvinmdke: i commit the content in sections in case i need to roll something back... its just a kind of long doc... sorry for the extra noise09:28
mgalvini don't normally get to sit down and do it all at once :(09:28
mdkeno problemo09:32
mdkeit's great that you comment on each one09:32
mgalvindoes anyone have VMware Player on a windows machine to see if coping over the vmdk image created will also work on windows09:39
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mgalvinit should, just can't verify atm09:40
LaserJockmgalvin: oh, I hadn't even thought of that. I will have to try that out when I get home tonight :-)09:40
mgalvinLaserJock: cool, thanks09:40
LaserJockI have only Windows machines at home, it would be nice to be able to use vmware-player at home09:41
mgalvinLaserJock: if you find that it works please feel free to add that info to the wiki09:41
mgalvinmaybe under addition info or something09:42
LaserJockmgalvin: what whould I have to transfer?09:42
mgalvinLaserJock: you shoul only really need the .vmdk image and the .vmx config file09:43
LaserJocki wouldn't need the qemu .img ?09:43
mgalvincorrect, no .img (that can be deleted since it is no longer needed), it is essentially a temp file09:44
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mgalvinvmplayer will just generate everything else it needs09:44
LaserJockmgalvin: ok, cool. I'll try it out tonight and put something on the wiki if it works :-)09:44
mgalvinLaserJock: great thanks :)09:44
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ompaullooking for a doc that lists the likes of >>no apic<< and the dma stuff and all that 11:32
ompaulany pointers?11:32
ompaulI need to create a factoid for #ubuntu 11:32
ompaulhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=boot&titlesearch=Titles << that has too much info :)11:33
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Burgworkompaul, you mean kernel options?11:40
ompaulBurgwork, I do, indeed, btw I had something funny to say about your mail this morning but I bit my tounge :-) big fast cars 11:41
ompaulI also stopped myself from typing11:41
ompaulBurgwork, if you don't know one I should research one do a wiki page on that tomorrow, maybe or better put it on the docs list and let someone with clues in the astetics region get to work on it12:00
Burgworkompaul, start a wiki page, be bold!12:03
ompaulBurgwork, yeah and 20 seconds later you or mdke = for review and stuff :)12:04
Burgworkyep12:04

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