[06:32] <bhuvan> where do we find the latest ubuntu-doc package (.deb) for breezy
[06:37] <LaserJock> bhuvan: packages.ubuntu.com?
[06:38] <robotgeek> hey bhuvan LaserJock 
[06:38] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek 
[06:39] <bhuvan> LaserJock, seems packages.ubuntu.com is either slow or down ?
[06:40] <LaserJock> bhuvan: weird, it's not for me
[06:40] <bhuvan> LaserJock, ok
[06:40] <LaserJock> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/text/ubuntu-docs is what you want I think
[06:41] <LaserJock> gotta go, hope that helps bhuvan 
[08:08] <Burgundavia_> robitaille, now I see you
[08:10] <robitaille> yep, I'm now in.
[08:10] <robitaille> how did the installfest went?
[08:11] <Burgundavia_> not bad
[08:11] <Burgundavia_> nobody who had never used Linux or didn't already have it on their machines
[08:11] <Burgundavia_> only 6 showed
[08:12] <Burgundavia_> I am already planning the next one
[08:12] <robitaille> how many Ubuntu?
[08:13] <Burgundavia_> only 1, but almost everybody was using ubuntu to fix and fix problems in their other distros
[08:13] <robitaille> :)
[08:16] <Burgundavia_> somebody doing a stage 3 gentoo install
[08:16] <Burgundavia_> I guess that was a fresh install, but not exactly typical
[09:02] <bhuvan> mdke, ping
[10:07] <mdke> bhuvan, yeah
[10:07] <bhuvan> mdke, i wish to discuss 2 things. i'm just composing the email!
[10:07] <bhuvan> 1) regarding the broken sample link error. do you remember the open issue no ?
[10:08] <mdke> yes
[10:08] <mdke> email is good though
[10:09] <bhuvan> 2) i have send an email
[10:09] <bhuvan> 1) ?
[10:09] <mdke> i see you edited something in the breezy branch
[10:09] <mdke> you can't do that! :)
[10:10] <bhuvan> yep ?
[10:11] <bhuvan> i intended to address the broken "sample" links
[10:11] <mdke> yeah but that branch is not going anywhere
[10:11] <bhuvan> oh ok. aren't we providing updates for breezy /
[10:11] <mdke> yes, but not from that branch
[10:12] <bhuvan> then ?
[10:12] <mdke> the breezy update was prepared from the source of the breezy package
[10:13] <mdke> it should be uploaded today or tomorrow I hope
[10:13] <mdke> the sample error was not addressed though, because I made the update over a month ago :(
[10:14] <mdke> it has taken a month to get uploaded because there were some problems with the edubuntu-artwork package
[10:14] <bhuvan> ok
[10:15] <mdke> so one of the devs had to sort it out
[10:15] <bhuvan> ok
[10:15] <mdke> bhuvan, is the sample thing broken in dapper?
[10:16] <bhuvan> i guess not
[10:16] <bhuvan> in breezy it was due to missing entries in debian/install file
[10:17] <bhuvan> to install sample/* we must make entries in that file i guess
[10:17] <mdke> yes
[10:17] <bhuvan> after i did this change, i build a breezy (5.10-7) package, installed and tested
[10:18] <bhuvan> generally, how do we (docteam) provide updates if we dont have access to source of breezy package ?
[10:19] <mdke> of course you do
[10:19] <mdke> apt-get source ubuntu-docs
[10:20] <bhuvan> i meant, how do we provide updates if we dont have write access ?
[10:20] <mdke> you ask a developer to upload it for you
[10:21] <bhuvan> oh ok
[10:22] <jsgotangco> ubuntu brief?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hope its not a pair!
[10:22] <mdke> is that a joke?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> well that ubuntu brief thing totally escaped me
[10:23] <jsgotangco> its probably the ff homepage?
[10:23] <mdke> yes
[10:23] <mdke> i thought you were making a joke about underpants or something
[10:23] <jsgotangco> well sure
[10:28] <mdke> afk
[10:36] <mdke> bhuvan, btw I think I'll remove that branch to avoid confusion. Sorry not to have done it earlier
[10:40] <bhuvan> mdke, ok. imo, we can atleast have a README in the main dir instead of removing ?
[10:43] <mdke> it has no purpose
[10:43] <mdke> the breezy source can be found in tags
[10:43] <mdke> i'll add the source of the update when it arrives
[10:44] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[10:44] <mdke> mailing the list now
[10:44] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[10:46] <bhuvan> mdke, i could see see thousands of diff between branches/breezy & breezy source (downloaded from 'apt-get source ubuntu-docs) :)
[10:46] <mdke> yeah
[10:46] <bhuvan> is it worth looking into them ?
[10:46] <mdke> no
[10:46] <mdke> the breezy source is the latest stuff
[10:46] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[10:50] <bhuvan> mdke, atleast for this broken "sample" links, i have applied this patch on 5.10-6 and created 5.10-7. shall i post it to ubuntu-devel mailing list ?
[10:50] <mdke> no
[10:50] <mdke> you'll need to wait for the update, and make a patch for that
[10:51] <mdke> but we will have to think about whether it is worthwhile doing an update to fix that bug
[10:51] <manicka> mdke :)
[10:51] <mdke> don't forget that breezy-updates are reserved for special cases!
[10:51] <manicka> the doc
[10:51] <mdke> mdz will only give permission in rare cases
[10:51] <manicka> oops
[10:51] <mdke> hi manicka 
[10:52] <manicka> The UDSF team has almost finished their statement as per sabfl's request for the next cc meeting
[10:52] <manicka> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSF
[10:52] <mdke> bhuvan, i'll ask if the thing has been uploaded already, maybe we can squeeze it into the update
[10:53] <manicka> I wanted to give the doc-team the opportunity to add comments about it on the talk page as per sabfl's request
[10:53] <bhuvan> mdke, give it a try as it is a trivial change which would make solid diff to existing faq guides
[10:53] <bhuvan> mdke, and let me know how it goes, thanks much
[10:53] <mdke> ok
[10:56] <mdke> manicka, ok. I read it the other day. The first thing I thought is that you need a question for the CC to answer if it is on the agenda. At the moment I don't see one.
[10:57] <manicka> hmm, ok I'll add some more to the agenda
[10:58] <jsgotangco> mdke: the upstream docs also refer to the css that you made?
[10:59] <mdke> jsgotangco, yes
[10:59] <jsgotangco> they render nicely?
[10:59] <mdke> bhuvan, ok i will do the fix and pass it to the dev
[11:00] <bhuvan> mdke, thanks
[11:00] <mdke> jsgotangco, no reason why not. I can't test because yelp is broken
[11:00] <jsgotangco> same here
[11:00] <jsgotangco> mdke: i just thought of a random breakage that's all
[11:01] <mdke> jsgotangco, which?
[11:02] <jsgotangco> on upstream docs duhhh
[11:02] <jsgotangco> :P
[11:02] <mdke> what breakage?
[11:02] <jsgotangco> i said random and its not even proven if there is such because yelp is broken currently :P
[11:03] <mdke> i don't think it should break, it's only display related
[11:03] <jsgotangco> like i said we don't know till it happens
[11:04] <mdke> ok...
[11:09] <manicka> ok, agenda item clarified
[11:09] <mdke> bhuvan, got a bug number for the sample/ thing? nice catch on the da/cs typos btw
[11:12] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[11:12] <mdke> manicka, "Official Wiki and Doc team members saw it as a threat" <-- nonsense
[11:13] <manicka> It's not my words
[11:13] <manicka> feel free to add comment on the talk page
[11:14] <mdke> ok i'll take a look later
[11:14] <mdke> bhuvan, there isn't a bug open about the sample/ thing?
[11:15] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[11:15] <mdke> bhuvan, i'm asking!
[11:16] <bhuvan> i'm not aware of the bug no. i remember you saying there was an open bug. it was MY QUESTION NO 1 :)
[11:16] <mdke> ok, i can't find the bug :/
[11:17] <bhuvan> shall i open one if it is mandatory to provide the update ?
[11:18] <mdke> no, no
[11:18] <mdke> no problem
[11:19] <mdke> bhuvan, can you check this diff for me: http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff
[11:25] <mdke> bhuvan, actually, i'll mention that you provided the fix in the changelog. Other than that, if the diff looks ok, i'll push it through
[11:26] <bhuvan> mdke, diff is perfect
[11:26] <mdke> bhuvan, good, thanks
[11:27] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:35] <mdke> bhuvan, oh crap, that's not gonna work, the sample/ directory is only in C
[11:35] <bhuvan> mdke, yes :)
[11:36] <mdke> that diff won't work thenm
[11:36] <bhuvan> so, we should do +generic/faqguide/C/sample/* usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/en_AU/sample ?
[11:36] <mdke> yeah
[11:36] <bhuvan> i noticed, but forgot while applying/verifying the patches :)
[11:46] <mdke> ok http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff should be right
[11:46] <mdke> if not, I don't care >_<
[11:50] <mdke> bhuvan, thanks for that fix
[12:06] <manicka> is robotgeek around
[12:06] <manicka> ?
[12:07] <robotgeek> yeah manicka 
[12:08] <manicka> I just wanted you to know that we've added a link to Wireless Network Central to http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/HardwareBreezy
[12:09] <robotgeek> manicka: thanks, i guess that's where most of the wireless info on the wiki will be
[12:09] <manicka> it's a great page :)
[12:10] <robotgeek> it's just stuff on the wiki, better organised
[12:10] <manicka> nice :)
[12:11] <mdke> manicka, "The UDSF doesn't have to go through such a process" (from your comment). Actually this is not accurate. In terms of licensing, you also need to seek the author's permission before copying a document to the gwos area. There is no difference between the gwos area and the wiki in terms of what copyright infringements are permitted
[12:12] <mdke> manicka, further, it's not quite right that I told you that to add documents to the wiki, you need to discuss it first on irc or the mailing list. That is not the case at all
[12:12] <manicka> hmmm, that was my impression from our conersation
[12:13] <mdke> you can add anything to the wiki, it's totally open
[12:13] <mdke> we ask that guidelines are followed for documentation which appears in the index
[12:13] <mdke> we also ask that major structural or organisation changes are discussed with the team
[12:13] <manicka> My understanding is that our licensing allows us to move data from the forums to gwos freely without seeking permission
[12:14] <mdke> manicka, if that understanding is right, then it can be moved freely to the wiki as well. But I don't think it is
[12:14] <mdke> it depends on the licensing of the forums
[12:15] <manicka> that would be worth discussing further with kb
[12:15] <mdke> don't forget that when material appears on the gwos area, the material is released in the public domain, so you need authors' permission to do that
[12:15] <mdke> unless they release their material in the public domain already, when they post on the forum
[12:16] <manicka> hmmm, the licensing issues are a grey area for me, kb would know more
[12:16] <mdke> in any case, there is no difference between gwos and the wiki in that respect
[12:16] <manicka> my understanding is that post to the forum are public domain
[12:16] <manicka> but I could be wrong
[12:17] <mdke> ok. if that is correct, then material can be moved directly into the wiki, or anywhere else, from the forum
[12:17] <mdke> there is nothing special about gwos in that respect
[12:18] <manicka> you would think so, but that's not what I was told i had to do originally
[12:18] <mdke> it depends on whether posts to the forum are public domain or not
[12:18] <manicka> I can't give a definitive answer, my belief is they are
[12:19] <mdke> ok, my point is that regardless of what the answer is, that is no reason to distinguish betwen gwos and the ubuntu wiki
[12:19] <manicka> I understand what your saying
[12:19] <mdke> ok
[12:20] <manicka> it would have been nice to clarify all this many months ago
[12:20] <manicka> then again discussions were a bit tense I guess
[12:22] <mdke> throughout all these various discussions, all I see are continuous misunderstandings of the situation
[12:22] <mdke> bah
[12:23] <manicka> that may be so, I haven't been privi to the main dialogue
[12:32] <mdke> ok i'll write a comment
[12:36] <mdke> manicka, are the forums working? I can't connect
[12:37] <robotgeek> mdke: nope, down. they are moving to a different server
[12:39] <mdke> ok
[12:59] <mdke> manicka, alright, I've written something
[01:18] <manicka> mdke, thanks for your comments
[01:19] <mdke> np
[01:19] <manicka> I was interested to read the BetterWikiDocs
[01:19] <mdke> yeah, that's a tough spec
[01:19] <manicka> perhaps a merger may be possible when that process gets underway
[01:19] <manicka> just a thought
[01:20] <mdke> you think that that will make all the difference?
[01:21] <manicka> I'm if nothing else, an optimist
[01:21] <mdke> me too
[01:23] <mdke> but I can't help but feel that the continuous unnecessary misunderstandings are simply evidence of a mmistrust of anything "official" on the part of some forum members
[01:23] <mdke> i don't understand where it comes from
[01:24] <manicka> hmmm, I can't speak for others but I don't feel that way
[01:24] <mdke> that's good, there is no reason too, the forums are obviously a big part of the ubuntu community
[04:06] <jsgotangco> bummer all translations seem to have its own set of images on svn
[04:13] <jsgotangco> hey jjesse 
[05:22] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i've started small changes to kquickguide
[05:22] <jsgotangco> just committed it
[05:24] <jjesse> awesome, is there al ot to do?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> some menu re-arrangements
[05:29] <jsgotangco> and some additions like the bluetooth stuff
[05:29] <jsgotangco> i'll focus on re-arranging the menus based on flight 3 first before tackling the screenshots
[05:31] <jjesse> ok sounds like a plan
[05:32] <jsgotangco> it'll be a better doc before the week ends :)
[05:34] <jjesse> that's good to hear
[05:35] <jjesse> then release notes and the quick guide should be 99% done
[05:36] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i'm just dumping text at the moment, i won't be testing it yet
[05:36] <jsgotangco> so it probably won't build
[05:37] <jjesse> the quick guide and the release notes are the only two we are releasing right now for kubuntu correct?
[05:38] <jsgotangco> well they're the most stable we have for now
[05:39] <jsgotangco> unless we get some hardcore writer out there that can do a whole guide in less than 4 months
[05:39] <jsgotangco> we can add more quick howtos on the quickguide i guess
[05:40] <jsgotangco> since the initial part of the doc was basically simple howtos
[05:40] <jjesse> and that guide would be the desktopguide?
[05:40] <mdke> s/4 months/2 months
[05:41] <jsgotangco> ill just be adding the bluetooth sub-sections now and i'll be done for the evening
[05:41] <jsgotangco> its almost 1am
[05:41] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:41] <jjesse> grin that would be way past my bed time
[05:42] <jjesse> i'll svn up whatever you commit tonight and that way i can do some work this evening 
[05:57] <mdke> guys don't forget that committing stuff which doesn't validate will mean that the preview server won't get updated, until you fix it
[05:57] <jsgotangco> nahh its ok
[05:57] <jsgotangco> its just temporary
[05:58] <jsgotangco> i may have dsl but its taking a while to actually download the updates on my side
[05:58] <mdke> cool
[05:58] <mdke> as long as you remember :)
[05:58] <mdke> i figured it was temporary
[06:04] <mdke> i wonder where rob1 has got to these days
[06:05] <jsgotangco> he just went *bamf* all of a sudden but i still see him on the freenode chan
[06:07] <mdke> strange
[06:07] <mdke> you think he's gonna come back?
[06:08] <jsgotangco> well i sure hope so, i guess he's just busy with work or currently in a strange schedule
[06:09] <mdke> i hope so too
[06:16] <jsgotangco> well i gotta sleep see you later
[06:17] <mdke> night
[06:28] <LaserJock> mdke: I got an email from elmo!
[06:29] <mdke> yeah
[06:32] <LaserJock> umm, now I'm not exactly sure what to do with it?
[06:32] <mdke> decrypt it and you get your user/password
[06:32] <LaserJock> ok, then?
[06:34] <mdke> then use it to commit to svn
[06:35] <LaserJock> so just commit and it will ask me for my password?
[06:35] <mdke> yep
[06:35] <LaserJock> oh, ok. I've just never commited to a non-local repo before
[06:38] <mdke> LaserJock, worky?
[06:38] <LaserJock> just a sec
[06:39] <LaserJock> mdke: is it ok if I add myself to /commmon/authors/ ?
[06:40] <mdke> sure
[06:42] <LaserJock> cool
[06:43] <LaserJock> it worked
[06:44] <Burgwork> LaserJock, was that the sight of you having commit access?
[06:44] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yes!
[06:44] <Burgwork> cool
[06:45] <mdke> seb128, btw did you seegood
[06:45] <mdke> argh
[06:45] <mdke> LaserJock, good
[06:45] <LaserJock> today I will commit what i've got of the Packaging Guide (not much but I want theCore to atleast be able to see what I've been up to) 
[06:46] <mdke> rocking
[06:46] <LaserJock> mdke: I have a question about the revhistory. Should I be adding entries to it?
[06:46] <mdke> bleh
[06:47] <mdke> dunno, i removed the revhistory from the desktop guide last weekend
[06:47] <LaserJock> is it ok to just get rid of it?
[06:47] <mdke> well, i did, so blame me
[06:47] <LaserJock> I don't quite understand its purpose
[06:48] <mdke> --> home
[07:47] <mgalvin> hey guys
[07:47] <mgalvin> VMwarePlayerAndQemu is all set if anyone has time to take a peek
[07:54] <LaserJock> mgalvin: are you sure you need to use g++-3.4? I think I just installed the linux-headers and off it went.
[07:54] <LaserJock> I do have g++3.4 installed but I didn't do CC=
[07:54] <jjesse> i had to install gtt 3.4
[07:55] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if you need the export CC= though
[07:55] <mgalvin> LaserJock: i have always had to set cc=gcc-3.4
[07:55] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder what I did wrong then :-)
[07:56] <mgalvin> since the page is meant to work for breezy to, i think it is safe to keep it there
[07:56] <mgalvin> makes it work for breezy... no harm on dapper :)
[07:56] <LaserJock> well, I don't think it hurts
[07:56] <LaserJock> I just wondered
[07:56] <mgalvin> i'll try a clean install to verify if it works without it when i get a chance, it may not be needed on dapper, not sure
[07:57] <LaserJock> the wiki page looks awesome though
[07:58] <mgalvin> thanks :)
[07:58] <LaserJock> I'm getting now to where I don't think I will ever need to dual boot anything
[07:58] <LaserJock> I use dchroot and vmware now
[07:58] <mgalvin> cool... i haven't dual booted in ages :)
[07:59] <LaserJock> In the past I have had several linux distros on at the same time but now I will just fire up vmware-player
[08:03] <mdke> mgalvin, add to DocumentationTeam/News2 please, nice work :D
[08:03] <mgalvin> mdke: already done, thanks :)
[08:03] <mdke> ah cool
[08:03] <mgalvin> also added LiveCDPersistance the other day as well
[08:03] <mgalvin> oh yea, and DapperFlight3
[08:07] <LaserJock> when will News2 go out?
[08:07] <mgalvin> LaserJock: early Feb. i would think
[08:08] <LaserJock> doh, I was thinking we were in Feb. already
[08:08] <mgalvin> ahh, please no, time goes to fast already ;)
[08:11] <mdke> LaserJock, i think we will just release news every now and again when they are ready
[08:11] <mdke> when we have something to put in them :)
[08:12] <LaserJock> I was just thinking that maybe I could get some Packaging Guide in there if I have time. ;-)
[08:13] <Burgwork> mgalvin, when you find one, I want to rent it part time
[08:13] <mgalvin> :)
[08:29] <jjesse> hmm installed a dapper build via vmplaery per the wiki page and get a message "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root does not exist
[08:31] <jjesse> wierd it appears to be working now
[08:42] <mgalvin> jjesse: which dapper build?
[08:42] <jjesse> mgalvin: flight3
[08:42] <jjesse> i rebooted the vmplayer and it worked
[08:42] <mgalvin> ok, at least it worked
[09:07] <mdke> LaserJock, absolutely. great plan
[09:26] <mdke> heh
[09:26] <Kyral> Should I do something on Xen?
[09:28] <mgalvin> mdke: i commit the content in sections in case i need to roll something back... its just a kind of long doc... sorry for the extra noise
[09:28] <mgalvin> i don't normally get to sit down and do it all at once :(
[09:32] <mdke> no problemo
[09:32] <mdke> it's great that you comment on each one
[09:39] <mgalvin> does anyone have VMware Player on a windows machine to see if coping over the vmdk image created will also work on windows
[09:40] <mgalvin> it should, just can't verify atm
[09:40] <LaserJock> mgalvin: oh, I hadn't even thought of that. I will have to try that out when I get home tonight :-)
[09:40] <mgalvin> LaserJock: cool, thanks
[09:41] <LaserJock> I have only Windows machines at home, it would be nice to be able to use vmware-player at home
[09:41] <mgalvin> LaserJock: if you find that it works please feel free to add that info to the wiki
[09:42] <mgalvin> maybe under addition info or something
[09:42] <LaserJock> mgalvin: what whould I have to transfer?
[09:43] <mgalvin> LaserJock: you shoul only really need the .vmdk image and the .vmx config file
[09:43] <LaserJock> i wouldn't need the qemu .img ?
[09:44] <mgalvin> correct, no .img (that can be deleted since it is no longer needed), it is essentially a temp file
[09:44] <mgalvin> vmplayer will just generate everything else it needs
[09:44] <LaserJock> mgalvin: ok, cool. I'll try it out tonight and put something on the wiki if it works :-)
[09:44] <mgalvin> LaserJock: great thanks :)
[11:32] <ompaul> looking for a doc that lists the likes of >>no apic<< and the dma stuff and all that 
[11:32] <ompaul> any pointers?
[11:32] <ompaul> I need to create a factoid for #ubuntu 
[11:33] <ompaul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=boot&titlesearch=Titles << that has too much info :)
[11:40] <Burgwork> ompaul, you mean kernel options?
[11:41] <ompaul> Burgwork, I do, indeed, btw I had something funny to say about your mail this morning but I bit my tounge :-) big fast cars 
[11:41] <ompaul> I also stopped myself from typing
[12:00] <ompaul> Burgwork, if you don't know one I should research one do a wiki page on that tomorrow, maybe or better put it on the docs list and let someone with clues in the astetics region get to work on it
[12:03] <Burgwork> ompaul, start a wiki page, be bold!
[12:04] <ompaul> Burgwork, yeah and 20 seconds later you or mdke = for review and stuff :)
[12:04] <Burgwork> yep