=== ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-165-176.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-227.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@tor/session/x-142b88d0b5e0ec7b] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@tor/session/x-7740ba8ce37738ce] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawknig [n=hawking@tor/session/x-18493f035b289511] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [i=myuid@adsl-65-43-210-84.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SteveMyers [n=SteveMye@255.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SteveMyers [n=SteveMye@255.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-47.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [n=crimsun@h-67-101-244-6.mclnva23.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-150-86.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:32] where do we find the latest ubuntu-doc package (.deb) for breezy [06:37] bhuvan: packages.ubuntu.com? [06:38] hey bhuvan LaserJock [06:38] hi robotgeek [06:39] LaserJock, seems packages.ubuntu.com is either slow or down ? [06:40] bhuvan: weird, it's not for me [06:40] LaserJock, ok [06:40] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/text/ubuntu-docs is what you want I think [06:41] gotta go, hope that helps bhuvan === Que_Pasa [i=co_simpl@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Que_Pasa [i=co_simpl@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Que_Pasa [i=co_simpl@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:08] robitaille, now I see you [08:10] yep, I'm now in. [08:10] how did the installfest went? [08:11] not bad [08:11] nobody who had never used Linux or didn't already have it on their machines [08:11] only 6 showed [08:12] I am already planning the next one [08:12] how many Ubuntu? [08:13] only 1, but almost everybody was using ubuntu to fix and fix problems in their other distros [08:13] :) [08:16] somebody doing a stage 3 gentoo install [08:16] I guess that was a fresh install, but not exactly typical === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-150-86.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:02] mdke, ping === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-158-199.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:07] bhuvan, yeah [10:07] mdke, i wish to discuss 2 things. i'm just composing the email! [10:07] 1) regarding the broken sample link error. do you remember the open issue no ? [10:08] yes [10:08] email is good though [10:09] 2) i have send an email [10:09] 1) ? [10:09] i see you edited something in the breezy branch [10:09] you can't do that! :) [10:10] yep ? [10:11] i intended to address the broken "sample" links [10:11] yeah but that branch is not going anywhere [10:11] oh ok. aren't we providing updates for breezy / [10:11] yes, but not from that branch [10:12] then ? [10:12] the breezy update was prepared from the source of the breezy package [10:13] it should be uploaded today or tomorrow I hope [10:13] the sample error was not addressed though, because I made the update over a month ago :( [10:14] it has taken a month to get uploaded because there were some problems with the edubuntu-artwork package [10:14] ok [10:15] so one of the devs had to sort it out [10:15] ok [10:15] bhuvan, is the sample thing broken in dapper? [10:16] i guess not [10:16] in breezy it was due to missing entries in debian/install file [10:17] to install sample/* we must make entries in that file i guess [10:17] yes [10:17] after i did this change, i build a breezy (5.10-7) package, installed and tested [10:18] generally, how do we (docteam) provide updates if we dont have access to source of breezy package ? [10:19] of course you do [10:19] apt-get source ubuntu-docs [10:20] i meant, how do we provide updates if we dont have write access ? [10:20] you ask a developer to upload it for you [10:21] oh ok [10:22] ubuntu brief? [10:22] hope its not a pair! === mdke looks at jsgotangco [10:22] is that a joke? [10:23] well that ubuntu brief thing totally escaped me === jsgotangco has no clue [10:23] its probably the ff homepage? [10:23] yes [10:23] i thought you were making a joke about underpants or something [10:23] well sure [10:28] afk === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-187.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:36] bhuvan, btw I think I'll remove that branch to avoid confusion. Sorry not to have done it earlier [10:40] mdke, ok. imo, we can atleast have a README in the main dir instead of removing ? [10:43] it has no purpose [10:43] the breezy source can be found in tags [10:43] i'll add the source of the update when it arrives [10:44] mdke, ok [10:44] mailing the list now [10:44] mdke, ok [10:46] mdke, i could see see thousands of diff between branches/breezy & breezy source (downloaded from 'apt-get source ubuntu-docs) :) [10:46] yeah [10:46] is it worth looking into them ? [10:46] no [10:46] the breezy source is the latest stuff [10:46] mdke, ok === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:50] mdke, atleast for this broken "sample" links, i have applied this patch on 5.10-6 and created 5.10-7. shall i post it to ubuntu-devel mailing list ? [10:50] no [10:50] you'll need to wait for the update, and make a patch for that [10:51] but we will have to think about whether it is worthwhile doing an update to fix that bug [10:51] mdke :) [10:51] don't forget that breezy-updates are reserved for special cases! [10:51] the doc [10:51] mdz will only give permission in rare cases [10:51] oops [10:51] hi manicka [10:52] The UDSF team has almost finished their statement as per sabfl's request for the next cc meeting [10:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSF [10:52] bhuvan, i'll ask if the thing has been uploaded already, maybe we can squeeze it into the update [10:53] I wanted to give the doc-team the opportunity to add comments about it on the talk page as per sabfl's request [10:53] mdke, give it a try as it is a trivial change which would make solid diff to existing faq guides [10:53] mdke, and let me know how it goes, thanks much [10:53] ok [10:56] manicka, ok. I read it the other day. The first thing I thought is that you need a question for the CC to answer if it is on the agenda. At the moment I don't see one. [10:57] hmm, ok I'll add some more to the agenda [10:58] mdke: the upstream docs also refer to the css that you made? [10:59] jsgotangco, yes [10:59] they render nicely? [10:59] bhuvan, ok i will do the fix and pass it to the dev [11:00] mdke, thanks [11:00] jsgotangco, no reason why not. I can't test because yelp is broken [11:00] same here [11:00] mdke: i just thought of a random breakage that's all [11:01] jsgotangco, which? [11:02] on upstream docs duhhh [11:02] :P [11:02] what breakage? [11:02] i said random and its not even proven if there is such because yelp is broken currently :P [11:03] i don't think it should break, it's only display related [11:03] like i said we don't know till it happens [11:04] ok... [11:09] ok, agenda item clarified [11:09] bhuvan, got a bug number for the sample/ thing? nice catch on the da/cs typos btw [11:12] mdke, ok [11:12] manicka, "Official Wiki and Doc team members saw it as a threat" <-- nonsense [11:13] It's not my words [11:13] feel free to add comment on the talk page [11:14] ok i'll take a look later [11:14] bhuvan, there isn't a bug open about the sample/ thing? [11:15] mdke, ok === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:15] bhuvan, i'm asking! [11:16] i'm not aware of the bug no. i remember you saying there was an open bug. it was MY QUESTION NO 1 :) [11:16] ok, i can't find the bug :/ [11:17] shall i open one if it is mandatory to provide the update ? [11:18] no, no [11:18] no problem [11:19] bhuvan, can you check this diff for me: http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-150-86.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:25] bhuvan, actually, i'll mention that you provided the fix in the changelog. Other than that, if the diff looks ok, i'll push it through [11:26] mdke, diff is perfect [11:26] bhuvan, good, thanks [11:27] brb [11:35] bhuvan, oh crap, that's not gonna work, the sample/ directory is only in C [11:35] mdke, yes :) [11:36] that diff won't work thenm [11:36] so, we should do +generic/faqguide/C/sample/* usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide/en_AU/sample ? [11:36] yeah [11:36] i noticed, but forgot while applying/verifying the patches :) [11:46] ok http://mdke.org/debs/ubuntu-docs.diff should be right [11:46] if not, I don't care >_< === bhuvan feels it is right [11:50] bhuvan, thanks for that fix [12:06] is robotgeek around [12:06] ? [12:07] yeah manicka [12:08] I just wanted you to know that we've added a link to Wireless Network Central to http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/HardwareBreezy [12:09] manicka: thanks, i guess that's where most of the wireless info on the wiki will be [12:09] it's a great page :) === Que_Pasa [n=chee_que@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:10] it's just stuff on the wiki, better organised [12:10] nice :) === Que_Pasa [n=chee_que@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [12:11] manicka, "The UDSF doesn't have to go through such a process" (from your comment). Actually this is not accurate. In terms of licensing, you also need to seek the author's permission before copying a document to the gwos area. There is no difference between the gwos area and the wiki in terms of what copyright infringements are permitted === robotgeek is trying to get the options for gmail correct, so that he can start sending emails properly [12:12] manicka, further, it's not quite right that I told you that to add documents to the wiki, you need to discuss it first on irc or the mailing list. That is not the case at all [12:12] hmmm, that was my impression from our conersation [12:13] you can add anything to the wiki, it's totally open [12:13] we ask that guidelines are followed for documentation which appears in the index [12:13] we also ask that major structural or organisation changes are discussed with the team [12:13] My understanding is that our licensing allows us to move data from the forums to gwos freely without seeking permission [12:14] manicka, if that understanding is right, then it can be moved freely to the wiki as well. But I don't think it is [12:14] it depends on the licensing of the forums [12:15] that would be worth discussing further with kb [12:15] don't forget that when material appears on the gwos area, the material is released in the public domain, so you need authors' permission to do that [12:15] unless they release their material in the public domain already, when they post on the forum [12:16] hmmm, the licensing issues are a grey area for me, kb would know more [12:16] in any case, there is no difference between gwos and the wiki in that respect [12:16] my understanding is that post to the forum are public domain [12:16] but I could be wrong [12:17] ok. if that is correct, then material can be moved directly into the wiki, or anywhere else, from the forum [12:17] there is nothing special about gwos in that respect [12:18] you would think so, but that's not what I was told i had to do originally [12:18] it depends on whether posts to the forum are public domain or not [12:18] I can't give a definitive answer, my belief is they are [12:19] ok, my point is that regardless of what the answer is, that is no reason to distinguish betwen gwos and the ubuntu wiki [12:19] I understand what your saying [12:19] ok [12:20] it would have been nice to clarify all this many months ago [12:20] then again discussions were a bit tense I guess [12:22] throughout all these various discussions, all I see are continuous misunderstandings of the situation [12:22] bah [12:23] that may be so, I haven't been privi to the main dialogue [12:32] ok i'll write a comment === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:36] manicka, are the forums working? I can't connect [12:37] mdke: nope, down. they are moving to a different server [12:39] ok === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:59] manicka, alright, I've written something === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.69] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:18] mdke, thanks for your comments [01:19] np [01:19] I was interested to read the BetterWikiDocs [01:19] yeah, that's a tough spec [01:19] perhaps a merger may be possible when that process gets underway [01:19] just a thought [01:20] you think that that will make all the difference? [01:21] I'm if nothing else, an optimist [01:21] me too [01:23] but I can't help but feel that the continuous unnecessary misunderstandings are simply evidence of a mmistrust of anything "official" on the part of some forum members [01:23] i don't understand where it comes from [01:24] hmmm, I can't speak for others but I don't feel that way [01:24] that's good, there is no reason too, the forums are obviously a big part of the ubuntu community === hawking [n=hawking@tor/session/x-0fe2172056453527] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.109.69] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [i=debian-t@tor/session/x-f6b2685d2f2330c1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-150-86.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === hawknig [n=hawking@tor/session/x-1717edf3a97252ce] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.109.69] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Que_Pasa [n=chee_que@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:06] bummer all translations seem to have its own set of images on svn === Que_Pasa [n=chee_que@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:13] hey jjesse === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgee1 [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:22] jjesse: i've started small changes to kquickguide [05:22] just committed it [05:24] awesome, is there al ot to do? [05:29] some menu re-arrangements [05:29] and some additions like the bluetooth stuff [05:29] i'll focus on re-arranging the menus based on flight 3 first before tackling the screenshots [05:31] ok sounds like a plan [05:32] it'll be a better doc before the week ends :) [05:34] that's good to hear [05:35] then release notes and the quick guide should be 99% done [05:36] jjesse: i'm just dumping text at the moment, i won't be testing it yet [05:36] so it probably won't build [05:37] the quick guide and the release notes are the only two we are releasing right now for kubuntu correct? [05:38] well they're the most stable we have for now [05:39] unless we get some hardcore writer out there that can do a whole guide in less than 4 months [05:39] we can add more quick howtos on the quickguide i guess [05:40] since the initial part of the doc was basically simple howtos [05:40] and that guide would be the desktopguide? [05:40] s/4 months/2 months [05:41] ill just be adding the bluetooth sub-sections now and i'll be done for the evening [05:41] its almost 1am [05:41] heh [05:41] grin that would be way past my bed time [05:42] i'll svn up whatever you commit tonight and that way i can do some work this evening [05:57] guys don't forget that committing stuff which doesn't validate will mean that the preview server won't get updated, until you fix it [05:57] nahh its ok [05:57] its just temporary [05:58] i may have dsl but its taking a while to actually download the updates on my side [05:58] cool [05:58] as long as you remember :) [05:58] i figured it was temporary [06:04] i wonder where rob1 has got to these days [06:05] he just went *bamf* all of a sudden but i still see him on the freenode chan [06:07] strange [06:07] you think he's gonna come back? [06:08] well i sure hope so, i guess he's just busy with work or currently in a strange schedule [06:09] i hope so too [06:16] well i gotta sleep see you later [06:17] night === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:28] mdke: I got an email from elmo! [06:29] yeah [06:32] umm, now I'm not exactly sure what to do with it? [06:32] decrypt it and you get your user/password [06:32] ok, then? [06:34] then use it to commit to svn [06:35] so just commit and it will ask me for my password? [06:35] yep [06:35] oh, ok. I've just never commited to a non-local repo before [06:38] LaserJock, worky? [06:38] just a sec === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:39] mdke: is it ok if I add myself to /commmon/authors/ ? [06:40] sure [06:42] cool [06:43] it worked [06:44] LaserJock, was that the sight of you having commit access? [06:44] Burgwork: yes! [06:44] cool [06:45] seb128, btw did you seegood [06:45] argh [06:45] LaserJock, good [06:45] today I will commit what i've got of the Packaging Guide (not much but I want theCore to atleast be able to see what I've been up to) [06:46] rocking [06:46] mdke: I have a question about the revhistory. Should I be adding entries to it? [06:46] bleh [06:47] dunno, i removed the revhistory from the desktop guide last weekend [06:47] is it ok to just get rid of it? [06:47] well, i did, so blame me [06:47] I don't quite understand its purpose [06:48] --> home [07:47] hey guys [07:47] VMwarePlayerAndQemu is all set if anyone has time to take a peek [07:54] mgalvin: are you sure you need to use g++-3.4? I think I just installed the linux-headers and off it went. [07:54] I do have g++3.4 installed but I didn't do CC= [07:54] i had to install gtt 3.4 [07:55] hmm, I wonder if you need the export CC= though [07:55] LaserJock: i have always had to set cc=gcc-3.4 [07:55] hmm, I wonder what I did wrong then :-) [07:56] since the page is meant to work for breezy to, i think it is safe to keep it there [07:56] makes it work for breezy... no harm on dapper :) [07:56] well, I don't think it hurts [07:56] I just wondered [07:56] i'll try a clean install to verify if it works without it when i get a chance, it may not be needed on dapper, not sure [07:57] the wiki page looks awesome though [07:58] thanks :) [07:58] I'm getting now to where I don't think I will ever need to dual boot anything [07:58] I use dchroot and vmware now [07:58] cool... i haven't dual booted in ages :) [07:59] In the past I have had several linux distros on at the same time but now I will just fire up vmware-player [08:03] mgalvin, add to DocumentationTeam/News2 please, nice work :D [08:03] mdke: already done, thanks :) [08:03] ah cool [08:03] also added LiveCDPersistance the other day as well [08:03] oh yea, and DapperFlight3 === mdke subscribes [08:07] when will News2 go out? [08:07] LaserJock: early Feb. i would think [08:08] doh, I was thinking we were in Feb. already [08:08] ahh, please no, time goes to fast already ;) === LaserJock looks around for a calendar program === mgalvin looks for time slowing machine [08:11] LaserJock, i think we will just release news every now and again when they are ready [08:11] when we have something to put in them :) [08:12] I was just thinking that maybe I could get some Packaging Guide in there if I have time. ;-) [08:13] mgalvin, when you find one, I want to rent it part time [08:13] :) [08:29] hmm installed a dapper build via vmplaery per the wiki page and get a message "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root does not exist [08:31] wierd it appears to be working now [08:42] jjesse: which dapper build? [08:42] mgalvin: flight3 [08:42] i rebooted the vmplayer and it worked [08:42] ok, at least it worked [09:07] LaserJock, absolutely. great plan [09:26] heh === mdke looks at RecentChanges and suggests the use of "Preview" to mgalvin [09:26] Should I do something on Xen? [09:28] mdke: i commit the content in sections in case i need to roll something back... its just a kind of long doc... sorry for the extra noise [09:28] i don't normally get to sit down and do it all at once :( [09:32] no problemo [09:32] it's great that you comment on each one [09:39] does anyone have VMware Player on a windows machine to see if coping over the vmdk image created will also work on windows === mgalvin wants to stick a fork in Virtual PC ;) [09:40] it should, just can't verify atm [09:40] mgalvin: oh, I hadn't even thought of that. I will have to try that out when I get home tonight :-) [09:40] LaserJock: cool, thanks [09:41] I have only Windows machines at home, it would be nice to be able to use vmware-player at home [09:41] LaserJock: if you find that it works please feel free to add that info to the wiki [09:42] maybe under addition info or something [09:42] mgalvin: what whould I have to transfer? [09:43] LaserJock: you shoul only really need the .vmdk image and the .vmx config file [09:43] i wouldn't need the qemu .img ? [09:44] correct, no .img (that can be deleted since it is no longer needed), it is essentially a temp file === hawking [n=hawking@tor/session/x-371198d225a187a3] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:44] vmplayer will just generate everything else it needs [09:44] mgalvin: ok, cool. I'll try it out tonight and put something on the wiki if it works :-) [09:44] LaserJock: great thanks :) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:32] looking for a doc that lists the likes of >>no apic<< and the dma stuff and all that [11:32] any pointers? [11:32] I need to create a factoid for #ubuntu [11:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=boot&titlesearch=Titles << that has too much info :) === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:40] ompaul, you mean kernel options? [11:41] Burgwork, I do, indeed, btw I had something funny to say about your mail this morning but I bit my tounge :-) big fast cars [11:41] I also stopped myself from typing [12:00] Burgwork, if you don't know one I should research one do a wiki page on that tomorrow, maybe or better put it on the docs list and let someone with clues in the astetics region get to work on it [12:03] ompaul, start a wiki page, be bold! [12:04] Burgwork, yeah and 20 seconds later you or mdke = for review and stuff :) [12:04] yep