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chxhi. I am not sure this is the right channel, sorry if not. WHere can I find a 1.0-8xxx nvidia-glx for Breezy?12:12
raphinkshouldn't https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-ui/+bug/6099 use a patch to correct this instead of modifying the source?12:14
UbugtuMalone bug 6099: "xine has a poor entry in the Menu" Fix req. for: xine-ui (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed12:14
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azeemraphink: the xine-ui package doesn't use a patch system, so I think it is fine to not move it over to one when adding another change12:16
raphinkoh ic12:16
raphinkgood point12:16
raphinkfirst bug fix for me as a MOTU12:16
raphinkif I want to commit this change, I guess I should get the source package for xine-ui, then apply the patch, run debuild with my key and upload the source package again12:17
raphinkright?12:17
azeemand document the changes in the changelog12:17
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raphinkazeem: well the patch documents the changes already12:17
raphinkso applying the patch will document changelog12:17
azeemah, ok12:18
raphink:)12:18
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raphinkhub: k9copy failed to build some time ago, because of the xlib issue. Since you uploaded it, maybe you could request a rebuild.12:29
raphinkKyral: did you get anything from Katie (if you're whitelisted)12:32
raphinkI uploaded gtkedit two days ago but it's not in dapper-changes yet12:35
raphinkwell it's NEW so I guess it takes more time12:35
Kyral"whitelisted"?12:39
Kyralyah I got gtkedit_0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW from Katie yesterday12:40
raphinkok good12:42
raphink:)12:42
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raphinkwhitelisted means Katie sends you message12:42
Kyralah lol12:42
raphinkyou are in the list of people who receive messages from Katie12:43
Kyralyah12:43
LaserJock_awayand then you ask, "who's katie?" ;-)12:43
KyralI know who Katie is ;P12:43
Kyralor what as it may be12:43
raphinkhehe12:44
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raphinkanyone could throw an eye on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1591 and maybe upload it again?12:58
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Kyralyo Corey12:58
raphinkwb Burgundavia12:58
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Kyralby.. lol12:58
raphinklol12:58
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hubraphink: how do I request a rebuild? and where do I check the build state?01:12
hubraphink: I haven't found anything in the wiki :-/01:12
raphinkyou check the build state on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/01:12
raphinkand you request a rebuild by pinging elmo imo01:12
KyralHmm, anyone know about the status of Xen in Dapper?01:13
raphinkno idea01:13
Burgundavia_Kyral, someone integrated into the old kernel for breezy, but that was out of band01:13
Burgundavia_Kyral, currently waiting on either developer resources or integration into the mainline kernel. Never going to happen for dapper01:14
KyralYah the guy who did that graduated from Clarkson last year01:14
Kyralwe still have his devel machine in the COSI ;P01:14
Burgundavia_he was a google CoC student that got dropped by google but then showed up on the last day and produced his results01:14
Burgundavia_unknown if he got paid01:15
KyralYah01:15
KyralEd Despard01:15
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Kyralouch01:15
KyralI01:15
Kyralam playing with the idea of a Yast like thing for Ubuntu (NOT Yast4Debian)01:15
Burgundavia_I think the Ubuntu devs are simply too busy to be able to effectively mentor people01:15
ajmitchBurgundavia_: you mean SoC?01:16
Burgundavia_Kyral, better work would be to work with the upstream gnome guys. See http://live.gnome.org/PreferencesRevisited01:16
Burgundavia_ajmitch, yes01:16
Burgundavia_s/coc/soc01:16
KyralBurgundavia_: I don't mean it limited to GNOME01:16
KyralI mean like a universal control panle01:16
hubraphink: ok01:16
Burgundavia_Kyral, system tools backends in desktop neutral01:16
Kyralone that will work just as well in Flux as it would in GNOME ;P01:16
hubraphink: mail or bug?01:16
Burgundavia_Kyral, you might also want to look at guidance01:16
KyralLink?01:17
raphinkhub: mail I suppose01:17
Burgundavia_http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/01:17
Burgundavia_the thing with s-t-b is that they are written in perl, which is not a preferring language for gnome or ubuntu01:17
KyralBurgundavia_: its based on KDE it said01:19
Burgundavia_Kyral, guidance is, but it written in python and I understand it has a fairly good seperation between backend and frontend01:19
Kyralyah..maybe I should have clearified my intent01:20
Kyralwe have a good Sysadmin controls right now01:20
Kyralbut like extras01:20
Kyrallike setting up and monitoring HTTP servers, Xen, etc01:20
Burgundavia_then I would look at system-config stuff01:21
Burgundavia_the problem with all these preferences tools is that they are all written in different languages and for different projects without sufficent backend/frontend seperation01:21
KyralLike I was playing with SuSE in a VM yesterday01:21
Burgundavia_so there is no single set of tools to do the job01:22
Kyraland I was quite impressed with all the Server options there are there01:22
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Kyrallike setting up a LAMP only took like 3 minutes01:22
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hubraphink: mailed elmo01:26
KyralI dunno01:26
raphinkhub: cool :)01:26
Kyralits just a project idea right now01:26
Kyralbut it would be nice...01:26
KyralWritten in PyGTK of course01:26
hubwhy off course?01:27
Kyralokay...01:27
KyralPyQt?01:27
hubPy?01:27
KyralPython01:27
hubyeah01:28
Kyralyah?01:28
Burgundavia_Kyral, The KDE project's policy of leaving operating system specific software such as administration and configuration tools up to distributors to handle has not worked. The distributions have failed to produce a good working set of tools. Instead we've seen proprietry tools, non-KDE tools and often just plain poorly designed and implemented tools. <-- substitute GNOME in there and you see what I feel01:29
KyralBurgundavia_: thats what I mean01:29
KyralI mean this tool would rely on Apt...01:29
Kyralbut If I do it right it wouldn't be hard to swap in Yum for Apt01:30
Burgundavia_Kyral, make it as desktop agnostic as possible01:30
Kyral"desktop adnostic"?01:30
Burgundavia_seperate out the backend and frontend01:31
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Burgundavia_and make the backend package management agnostic01:31
Burgundavia_much like Ubuntu express01:31
KyralWhich I still need to play with lol01:31
Burgundavia_not ready yet01:32
Burgundavia_post dev sprint at earliest01:32
KyralYah I mean during install I could have it look at the system to determine which type its running on01:32
KyralI'd prolly write a module to handle it so the rest of the program doesn't care01:32
hubBurgundavia_: proprietary tools? I know only one distro that do that in KDE01:34
hubBurgundavia_: the rest is Free Software01:34
KyralLike if Yum is detected, load the Yum tools into the program, if Apt-Get etc etc01:34
KyralThis would be a big project lol01:38
KyralIf I pulled it off right...would it be big?01:40
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Burgundavia_hub, the fragmentation is as bad as it being non-free02:05
KyralGRCC02:06
hubBurgundavia_: you are preaching the choir02:06
KyralGrand Unified Control Center :D02:06
Burgundavia_hub, yes02:07
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Kyralby learning Python lol02:07
hubBurgundavia_: for the proprietary thing, my employer does it02:07
hubBurgundavia_: and at one point that annoys me02:07
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Burgundavia_hub, indeed, so does mine02:10
raphinkhub: isn't your employer Xandros?02:10
Kyrallol02:10
hubraphink: yep. and they write network configuration tools for their desktop env which is KDE02:11
raphinkand that are proprietary02:11
Burgundavia_a mine writes tools in GTK for setting up multiseat sytesms02:13
raphinkwho do you work for Burgundavia_ ?02:14
Burgundavia_Userful02:14
raphink...02:14
hubraphink: yep02:15
raphinkanyway02:15
raphinktime to go to bed really02:15
raphinkI was just waiting for a build and it's done now :)02:15
raphinkso later guys ;)02:16
Burgundavia_"hardware comes found and shaped in automatic rifle" <-- I love google translate02:17
raphinklol02:17
raphinkciao02:18
Burgundavia_it is translated italian talking about automatic hardware detection in Ubuntu/Ufficio Zero02:18
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=== Kyral wonders how hard it would be to get Xen in Dapper...
hubKyral: need kernel support02:37
Kyralhub: Not afraid to patch my own kernel ;P02:38
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KyralShould be interesting if I can get it working :D02:41
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Lathiattseng:ping03:01
Kyraloh Lathiat you pinged me a couple days ago?03:01
Lathiat~>03:02
Lathiati did ?03:02
Lathiatif i did i dont know what about :)03:02
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thierry_any MOTU that could review my package?03:07
thierry_slomo , slomo_ : JohnnyMast told me you could review my package03:07
thierry_url is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=158903:08
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KyralWhee! Xen kernel compiling03:14
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Kyralwb LJ </late>03:38
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bddebianHeya gang03:39
ajmitch hi03:40
Kyralhey bddebian03:40
bddebianWhassup gents?03:40
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bddebianHeh03:40
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Kyralmmm...Xen03:41
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Kyrallol03:42
KyralI will be quite pleased with myself if I can get Xen running on Dapper03:42
Kyraleven moreso if I can get Debian running on Domain 103:44
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psusiwhat component pops up the force quit dialog box?04:02
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LaserJockbddebian: hi!04:22
bddebianHeya LaserJock04:22
phlaegelso does UVF mean no new packages can go in?04:23
crimsunno, it means no new upstream versions of existing packages in the repo04:24
phlaegelok04:24
crimsunnew packages can go in up til FF04:24
phlaegelso mod_dnssd could still go in...04:25
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YagisanG'day all04:58
Yagisandumb question. As there is no Breaks: field in debian/control can I emulate it with a conflicts ?04:59
minghuaa question better for #ubuntu-devel or #debian-devel, I am afraid05:01
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KyralGot it working...05:03
hubYagisan: Conflicts05:04
bddebianKyral: Contrats05:04
Kyraltoo bad that Xen requires the 2.6.12 kernel05:04
Yagisanok - thanks guys.05:06
mr-russhow does apt work out which package is more up to date from two different repositories?05:06
mr-russis it just the version number?05:06
crimsunthe version number is taken primarily, but pinning has an effect, too05:07
Yagisanmr-russ: TTBOMK yes, the version number - unless you do apt-pinning05:07
mr-russhmm..  apt-cache show, shows the wrong version, but apt-get installs the updated one ?05:08
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mr-russso much to learn so fast.05:08
crimsunuse apt-cache policy05:08
crimsunthen you'll see which ones are available to apt05:08
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bddebianLater crimsun05:09
crimsunnight bddebian :)05:09
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dcodecan somebody check their grub menu.lst for me and tell me something?05:11
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dcodewrong channel05:12
dcodesorry] 05:12
dcode:-(05:12
psusiso.... anyone know what happened to the perty new logout/shutdown dialog that was in dapper?  it went away..05:12
SEJeffpsusi, unfortunately, I think it was something upstream05:16
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psusihrm... I want the other one back ;)05:17
SEJeffpsusi: ditto :)05:17
minghuaI like the current one better05:20
psusithe one with the timeout and the silly switch, or the one with the nice icons?05:21
minghuathe icons on the previous one just make me wince05:21
psusireally?  I thought they were perty05:21
minghuaI like the one with "silly switch"05:21
minghuaalthough I can't say I like the switch icon much05:21
psusiit felt more intuitive... was quicker/easier to shutdown/suspend/hibernate/reboot05:22
minghuaI like the design, I just hate the icons05:23
LaserJockajmitch: did your zope syncs go through?05:26
SEJeffminghua, well theming is fairly trivial to change normally05:26
minghuaSEJeff: I am not against the old dialog, I am jest expressing my personal preference05:27
minghuaSEJeff: although if dapper releases with those icons I probably will try to figure out how to change the theme05:27
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SEJeffminghua, to each his own05:29
Burgundavia_minghua, I agree with you that the icons don't match the current style of the rest of the desktop05:30
minghuaSEJeff: yes indeed05:30
minghuaBurgundavia_: glad to see I am not alone here :-)05:30
psusiI suppose I like the layout more than the icons themselves05:38
psusiand yea, I can see how they don't mesh quite so well with the rest of the desktop... but they still look nice ;)05:39
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LaserJockI'll take anything that lets me log out. ;-)05:41
=== psusi wishes he could find decent info on reiser4... the mailing list is nothing but spam
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Yagisanpsusi: why reiser4 ?05:47
psusibecause I really like what I read on their web page05:47
psusiboth about the on disk filesystem design, and the semantics... everything is a file05:47
psusiwondering logs.... all very interesting stuff05:48
\shif reiserfs 4 is at least so slow like reiserfs3 then forget about it...xfs is much faster and handling of the journals is much nicer...05:49
psusiplus... I just might be able to get it to organize files needed for boot so they are sequentially stored at the start of the disk so readahead-list can suck them up fast ;)05:49
psusibased on the reiser 4 page, reiser 3 is shit in comparison05:49
Yagisan\me prefers jfs05:49
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LaserJock\sh: I think ReiserFS4 is quite a bit faster than ReiserFS3 but the fs choice is like gnome vs. kde, or emacs vs. vim05:50
YagisanI saw benchmarks that showed reserfs4 was a regression in speed - let me see if I can find it05:50
psusinot really... speed is not subjective ;)05:50
\shLaserJock: I have reiserfs3 on partition and xfs on another (same disk connected via usb)05:50
\shLaserJock: mounting the reiser parition (80GB) let me wait at least 4-5 seconds, while mounting xfs partion let me wait less then 1 second05:51
\shon both partitions I have more then 10000 files05:51
\shpartition even (I hate monday mornings)05:52
psusi\sh, that's because the current kernel reiser3 code reads in the whole free block bitmap on mount... there's a patch pending on the lkml right now to fix that so it only loads it on demand05:52
LaserJockpsusi: speed is subjective to some degree because people want speed in different areas and it depends on the benchmark05:52
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=== hub use ext3 only
psusiLaserJock, yea... but when it's faster on all the benchmarks, it's hard to argue ;)05:52
Yagisanpsusi: but it's not05:53
LaserJockpsusi: i've seen other benchmarks that say it's not05:53
psusiimho, the design of ext2/3 isn't much better than fat05:53
Yagisanpsusi: for me resier4 is like attaching a boat anchor to a car05:53
\shpsusi: right..but another (in my eyes) advantage is, that I don't need to handle fscks anymore with xfs :) it just works :)05:53
Burgundavia_I figure there is a good that reiser4 is not in the mainline kernel and why it is a not the default fs05:53
psusi\sh, you don't fsck with ext3 or reiser3 either05:53
LaserJockmy point is that I can (and have in the past) found benchmarks/data that convince me that Reiser4, ext3, or xfs are the best05:54
psusiBurgundavia_, the reason is poletics.... Hanz Reiser seems to not get along very well with the other kernel people05:54
LaserJockbut I'm not really that into it so I just use ext305:54
\shpsusi: i have to manually fix sometimes the reiser3 partition when I just turn off the computer because of some foo with crashing kernels :)05:54
\shpsusi: while it was reading or writing something on this partition...05:55
psusi\sh, you shouldn't have to... my machine crashes all the time and I never fsck ;)05:55
\shpsusi: well, if I don't do, I see many read errors and other funny messages from reiserfs05:55
psusistrange....05:55
\shpsusi: after fscking it everything is back to normal05:55
LaserJockagain, I've seen where people have had lots of data corruption with reiser but not ext3 and vice versa05:55
SEJeffhttp://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html reiser4 is pretty crap according to these benchmarks05:55
psusithat shouldn't happen since it's journaled05:55
psusioh no05:56
SEJeffpsusi, thats bs. We used bonnie++ to stress test reiserfs (on SLES9) and ext3. We consistently saw problems with the reiser volumes and nothing much more than a hiccup with the ext3 one05:56
\shpsusi: but the best thing happend to an old customer of mine...he had everything running on reiserfs (it was a suse distro) and suddenly his important db drive was crashing05:56
psusitoday's dapper updates broken xchat's url opening ability05:56
YagisanSEJeff: thanks - that's the link I was looking for05:56
LaserJockSEJeff: Reiser 3 or 4?05:57
\shpsusi: he tried to get the data from this drive (because he was a hard man and didn't have any backups) via ontrack rescue services05:57
SEJeffYagisan, I found that very interesting when it first came out. I even used it + the results of our internal benchmarking to see that reiser is pretty much crap for our environment05:57
\shpsusi: ontrack told him, they don't know how to rescue reiserfs data, because it's not a standard :)05:57
SEJeffSLES is reiser305:57
psusiSEJeff, it _shouldn't_ have problems because it is journaled... also, I've read that bonnie++ is a completely unrealistic benchmark05:57
\shpsusi: that was 200205:57
LaserJockSEJeff: I think Reiser4 fares much better in most benchmarks than Reiser305:58
YagisanSEJeff: yeah, the only system I use that has reiser(3) on it is my www server, as it was the only system I benchmarked that performed better with it05:58
psusi\sh, supposedly that long ago it did have a few bugs that ended up getting fixed...05:58
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SEJeffLaserJock, actually I think that might be the wrong link. I saw one earlier that had reiser4 and showed reiser4 was horrible05:58
psusibtw, "it's not standard" is a cop out bullshit excuse of an answer05:58
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YagisanSEJeff: it was a tossup between XFS or JFS for everything else, and I chose JFS as it was just a bit quicker05:59
SEJeffpsusi, bonnie++ is made to stress the harddrive and nothing else. That is an EXCELLENT benchmark for a database server05:59
psusiit's like ISPs who tell you they don't support Linux and refuse to do anything else when you call and tell them their DNS servers are fucked up05:59
psusiheh05:59
SEJeffYagisan, yes05:59
Yagisanhttp://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz05:59
Yagisan^^^ right link05:59
SEJeffYagisan, yes, that is the correct one. I just didn't look at the date05:59
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LaserJockI've seen benchmarks that showed the ext3 (or xfs) was best and some that say Resier4 is better but I don't think I've seen any that said Reiser3 was best06:00
psusiSEJeff, I believe I read somewhere that the usage patterns it tests aren't even very close to how a normal db behaves06:00
SEJeffpsusi, Well I was in charge of running tests. And this included oracle stress testing. Reiser sucks, I am saying so from my personal experience06:00
psusiSEJeff, 3 or 4?06:01
SEJeffpsusi, 3. reiser4 is not in SLES06:01
SEJeffand reiser4 is not stable06:01
Yagisan++06:01
psusibtw... I don't trust anything with the word "oracle" in it any further than I can throw it.... I got to mess with oracle for a while in a rdbms class in college and man it was a pile of shit06:01
Yagisanpsusi: the best filesystem for you, depends on what you do with it06:02
SEJeffpsusi, take a look at the link Yagisan gave and notice that the benchmarks show reiser4 getting beat by ext3 in the large majority of them06:02
psusihad such utterly retarded bugs in it... like if you fed it a text file to import into a table that did not end with a newline, it crashed.... pffft06:02
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psusiSEJeff, aye... for some things reiser3 can be slower than ext3... reiser4 apparently is a lot different06:02
SEJeffpsusi, well weblogic and oracle are our standard at work. I dont have a say in that I'm just a lowly admin06:03
SEJeffpsusi, look at that link and you will eat your words :) reiser4 is hype from Hans Reiser06:03
LaserJockSEJeff: I agree that Reiser3 is probably not going win any contests but I think that Reiser4 will be really good. I personally use ext3 since it is standard and I don't do anything where it would really matter06:03
psusiSEJeff, the design sounds very promising06:04
Yagisanpsusi: yes, but the implementation isn't as good as the hype - can you say "longhorn" - because that's what it reminds me of06:05
SEJeffpsusi, I'm *really* not trying to flame you... the design of minix is very promising. A microkernel is far superior to a monolithic one in theory. In implementation, linux wins and it is not microkernel based06:05
psusicertainly much better than ext2/3... which don't even use extents for allocations... still uses direct and indirect block pointers... that's nearly as bad as fat06:05
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psusimicrokernels never were superior in theory for performance ;)06:05
LaserJockI've heard that a properly tuned ext3 is the best FS but I haven't bothered to try it06:05
SEJeffpsusi, There is 1 and ONLY 1 case that reiser is better than ext*06:05
Yagisanpsusi: if it is a win for you, go for it06:05
SEJeffLaserJock, with dir_index enabled, it is very fast06:05
Yagisanpsusi: but make your own benchmarks first, based on your usuage06:06
SEJeffreiser is very nice in that you can resize it online as in without unmounting it. If you use lvm, that will be great for you06:06
psusiYagisan, aye....06:06
SEJeffActually I am again wrong. reiser allocates free space much better than any other filesystem out there so you can squeeze more out of your storage if you have many small files06:07
YagisanSEJeff: which is why it is on my www server06:07
psusivery good for Maildirs ;)06:08
LaserJockanyway, that's why I say it is like gnome vs. kde or emacs vs. vim . You really have to find out which is best for you06:09
SEJeffagreed06:09
psusiin any case, ext3 is the worst ;)06:10
LaserJocknot necessarily06:10
Yagisanin my experience ext3 and jfs both work well for the filesystem pbuilder does it's work (I actually have a seperate partition for that)06:10
psusiwow06:10
YagisanI tried xfs but it was a but slower in unpacking the tarballs on a multiple pbuilder tun06:10
Yagisans/but/bit06:11
psusifor that kind of thing I would use ext2 instead of ext3... don't really need a journal just for pbuilder and it slows things down06:11
psusibtw Yagisan, you ever play with that defrag package? ;)06:12
SEJeffpsusi, well if you ever want to try out ext3, enable the dir_index option and it is much faster. tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/hdax06:12
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Yagisanpsusi: yes - it doesn't work on jfs ;)06:12
psusiSEJeff, much faster if you are creating 1000+ files in a directory... not otherwise, right?06:13
psusiYagisan, on your pbuilder partition silly ;)06:13
Yagisanpsusi: my pbuilder partition is on a raid5 array, a journal won't slow it down much06:13
Yagisanpsusi: I ended up with jfs for pbuilder06:13
psusiahh06:13
psusithought you said it was ext306:13
psusiand damnit this guy's graphs are retardedly unreadable06:14
SEJeffpsusi, Well it makes it faster to access dirs with lots of files. think /usr/* and /var/*06:14
Yagisanpsusi: I benched both ext3, jfs, and xfs for it. jfs won06:14
Yagisans/both/each06:14
psusiSEJeff, I don't think anything in either of those has more than 100 or so?06:14
SEJeffpsusi, I actually enabled dir_index today on my parents computer. I did hdparm -T before and after. Before 107.9MB/s after 174.8MB/s06:15
SEJeffpsusi, I read it on ubuntuforums a few days ago06:16
psusiSEJeff, Ummm... hdparm doesn't go through the filesystem06:16
psusiit accesses the block device directly06:16
SEJeffpsusi, well why would there be that big of a difference before and after?06:16
psusicaching is my guess... turn it back off and see if it goes down06:17
YagisanSEJeff: -T is cache06:17
psusithought so...06:17
YagisanSEJeff: -t is disk06:17
psusiuse -t06:17
YagisanSEJeff: my system -T -> Timing cached reads:   1676 MB in  2.00 seconds = 836.45 MB/sec06:18
SEJeffthat was on my parents old old system06:18
YagisanSEJeff: and -t -> Timing buffered disk reads:  174 MB in  3.02 seconds =  57.61 MB/sec06:18
SEJeffok thanks.06:18
ajmitchYagisan: far faster than mine06:19
psusiI modified dd to use aio with the O_DIRECT option... gets like 20-30% better throughput with less than half the cpu of hdparm -t06:19
LaserJockbtw, has anybody got some good resources on using the emacs modes for debian stuff? I'm not very familiar with emacs so I'm not sure how to use the stuff in devscript-el and debian-el for instance :(06:20
Yagisanajmitch: I'm not satisfied I need more speed06:20
ajmitchYagisan: I could probably get more speed by using the ide controller card on the shelf06:20
ajmitchATA13306:20
Yagisanajmitch: that is 1x ATA 100 + 2x SATA 15006:20
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Yagisanajmitch: I have 2 x ATA133 ports empty, but need dappers kernel to use them06:21
psusihdparm -t only gets 63 MB/s on my raid-0.... my modified dd gets 9806:21
\shhey ajmitch06:21
ajmitchhey \sh, what's up?06:22
psusi2x 10,000 rpm sata06:22
\shajmitch: how's life06:22
ajmitchit's alright, LCA has started06:22
Yagisanpsusi: 3 x 7200rpm seagates here06:22
ajmitchbeen at the debian miniconf today :)06:22
ajmitchmet up wiht lathiat06:23
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psusiI've heard bad things about seagate's ide drives... I've only ever used their scsi products06:23
ajmitchI might not have much packaging time this week, and the network is a bit broken there still06:23
\shajmitch: jdub should be attending as well, right?06:23
ajmitch\sh: yes, he was on the panel of debian & ubuntu discussion :)06:23
ajmitchand mjg59 is there, he took a look at my laptop :)06:24
psusihad one blow up... first generation 10,000 rpm drive... was a refurb though... the original one is still running today06:24
\shajmitch: oh...no fights?06:24
\shajmitch: no boxing no bloody noses?06:24
ajmitchalmost06:24
ajmitchsome strong words, anyway06:24
LaserJockreally? that's sad06:24
\sh.oO(hope nobody mentioned my name)06:24
ajmitch\sh: they did :)06:24
psusiI think I got that thing in 2000? damn...06:24
\shWOOT?06:24
psusino... must have been 200106:25
\shwtf?06:25
ajmitchLaserJock: the strong words were more about time-based releases vs 'when its ready'06:25
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Yagisanpsusi: I've always had good experience with seagate drives myself, but always bought mine new06:25
LaserJockajmitch: oh, well that's not too bad then ;-)06:25
ajmitch\sh: your name came up when we were talking about motus & pushing stuff back to debian - it's understood that MOTUs will have differences of opinions, and can just be overworked06:25
ajmitchI had a bit of a chat with womble06:26
\shajmitch: you are joking, right?06:26
ajmitch\sh: no, not really06:26
\shajmitch: oh damn06:26
psusiYagisan, yea.... I think I got ripped off when I got the second one... didn't say it was a refurb, but it turned out it was... that's the one that finally died... the original one is still going06:26
ajmitchblogging makes you famous06:27
psusiactually, it didn't even die... I stopped using it when my friends asked me where the jet engine was hiding06:27
\shI'm damned and doomed and should go away...now they are talking about me in a country far far away ;)06:27
ajmitchhaha06:27
psusithen I realized it was just making so much damn noise because the bearings were shot...06:27
ajmitch\sh: don't leave us!06:27
psusibut it grew gradually and I slept with it next to me every night so I had been used to it06:27
psusithose first gen 10,000 rpms ran HOT though... oh boy06:28
Yagisanpsusi: odd - I live seagates because they are quiet compared to other brands (longer warranty too, was 5 years when I checked last)06:28
\shajmitch: please tell everyboody I'm just a fake06:28
psusiI think they drew like 20 watts each idle.... and you could cook an egg on them06:28
Yagisans/live/like06:28
\shajmitch: jdubs german alter ego or something like this...I'm not real.06:28
psusiYagisan, yea... they have really high MTBF06:28
psusitheir scsi ones anyhow06:29
psusiheard their ide lines aren't so reliable06:29
LaserJock\sh: lol06:29
Yagisanpsusi: well, i've been psuuing mine almost 24/7 since I bought them - 2+ years ago06:29
Yagisans/psuuing/pushing06:30
psusiyea.... the one first gen 10k scsi drive is still going in a machine at my dad's I think... been on nearly 24/7 since 2001 or so when I got it06:31
psusialso have a first gen 15,000 rpm cheetah still going at work... got that in 200306:32
psusiwait... is that right?06:32
psusino... got that one in 200206:32
psusifeb 200206:32
psusifirst batch that hit the market, I was there... had been waiting for 4 months trying to order them but they took forever to come out with production quantities06:32
Yagisanpsusi: think they will actually get around to writing a repacker for resier4 ? I'm still waiting for a reiser3 repacker ?06:43
Yagisanbah - I can't type06:43
psusibeats me....06:43
psusiall I know is I REALLY think the pseudo file stuff is cool06:44
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siretartmorning08:59
zakameheya siretart09:00
lucashi all09:01
\shgood morning09:02
zakamehey lucas09:03
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mr-russfor a non pooled mirror, does a .dsc file belong in the binary folder, or the sources folder?09:11
lucassources09:11
mr-russhow does the .deb know it's signed when you install it?09:11
mr-russfrom the Releases signing?09:12
lucasgood question09:12
mr-russokay, I'll look further into it. Quite a new experience setting up my own apt mirror.09:12
lucashttp://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt09:13
lucasanswer is: releases file09:13
minghuagenerally the .debs are not signed as far as I know09:13
lucasthey are signed when you upload them, but that's all09:14
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mr-russI was there, Setting up a secure apt repository: TODO scared me off. :(09:16
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siretartmr-russ: just use a sensible repo software09:24
siretartmr-russ: like mini-dinstall, debarchiver or reprepro. they will handle this for you09:24
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mr-russsiretart: I've got it all working now.  all in one little script.09:28
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mr-russsiretart: thanks for the advice though.09:28
siretartmr-russ: I don't see much point in inventing the wheel over and over again09:29
mr-russsiretart: I know, but understanding the documentation for some of those is harder than it seems.09:31
ajmitchhi09:33
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YagisanG'day ajmitch - having fun today ?09:33
ajmitchyeah, was a good day today09:34
siretarthey ajmitch09:35
Yagisananyone here use 3rd party repos on their ubuntu boxes ?09:35
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mr-russYagisan: yes, I use mine :)09:44
mr-russYagisan: mainly so servers I maintain, I can move packages from universe into my own main tree and not allow those servers use of all those packages.09:45
mr-russYagisan: plus some other software that isn't public.09:45
Yagisanmr-russ: good - I'm not the only one :)09:48
mr-russYagisan: I started using ubuntu 1 month ago, never used debian. and now I'm running my own repo.09:48
mr-russYagisan: just need to get better at packaging software.09:48
UbugtuUbuntu bug 1: "openssl: Expired certificates and recertification" Product: Ubuntu, Component: openssl, Severity: normal, Assigned to: fabbione@ubuntu.com, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: NOTWARTY http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=109:49
Yagisanheh09:49
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Yagisanmr-russ: you are supposed to get better with practice, but sometimes looking at my work, I wonder about that09:50
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robhi, in the source repo there is a "pygtk" package, but not in the normal repos, has the name been changed?10:01
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siretartrob: sorry?10:04
roban apt-cache search doesn't bring up a package by that name (at least on my system), but I can download it via apt-get source10:05
lucasrob: the source package name might not match the binary package names10:05
robyeah I thought so, how can I find out what the name was changed to for the binary package?10:06
lucassee http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pygtk.html10:06
lucasyou'll find the list of binary packages on the left10:06
lucasbasically python-glade2 python-gtk2 python-gtk2-dev10:06
robits broken up?10:07
lucasa bit10:07
robI'm actually trying to tell if it was built with --enable-threads, but I'm having no such luck either way10:08
lucasah10:09
lucasubuntu's pygtk doesn't match debian's10:09
lucasso my above comment might be wrong10:09
robyeah, I know debian's one was10:09
lucas        cd build-2.4 && PYTHON=`which python2.4` \10:10
lucas                ../configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)        \10:10
lucas                        --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE)           \10:10
lucas                        --prefix=/usr --enable-thread10:10
lucasin debian/rules10:10
robah10:10
robI wonder if the 's' matters?10:10
lucasI dunno10:10
lucasyou have some reasons to think it matters ?10:11
robI'm just learning threading with python, and got a bit stuck. just want to rule it out10:11
lucasI'm not into python, so I can't help you, sorry10:12
robI'll try building it with the 's' and see what happens10:12
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robgives me something to chew on, thanks lucas10:12
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dholbachgood morning10:23
lucashi dholbach10:23
dholbachhey lucas10:24
ajmitchhi dholbach, lucas10:24
lucashi ajmitch10:25
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lucasdholbach: about the syncs, I thought you wanted to batch them too ?11:06
lucasregarding the NEW packages, are there automatically imported until UVF ?11:07
lucaserr11:07
lucasFF ?11:07
lucasI'll ask on the ML11:07
lucasso everybody benefit from it11:07
dholbachthey won't be autosynced I guess, I won't handle syncs.11:08
dholbachBut I'll answer on the mailinglist.11:08
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\shdholbach: syncs for new upstream versions are as well UVF exceptions :) after they are approved, they can go to elmo :)11:12
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dholbach\sh: Yes, but not normal syncs.11:13
dholbachI'm just the guy handing stuff to Colin and Matt.11:13
dholbachI'm not the guy handing any stuff to anybody. :-)11:13
siretartdholbach: there are a couple of UVF requests pending in the mailing list11:14
\shdholbach: you mean "NEW in debian, and not in ubuntu" to sync to ubuntu, which is more likely a NEW package for ubuntu as well...new revisions of debian packages can still be synced without any approval, as I understand the rationale behind the dapper UBZ spec regarding UVF for universe11:14
siretartdholbach: at what frequency do you intend to forward them to matt/colin?11:14
siretartdholbach: and if you do, could you please CC: ubuntu-motu@?11:15
dholbachsiretart: I answered that on the mailing list as well.11:15
dholbachsiretart: I thought about *trying* weekly,11:15
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lucas> The proper process for this is sending the Upstream ChangeLog diff and11:16
lucas> the complete diffstat between our current and the new version.11:16
dholbach\sh: yesd11:16
lucascan you clarify "upstream changelog" ?11:16
lucasis it the real upstream's, or debian's ?11:16
dholbachthe former11:16
\shlucas: not debian/changelog but <sourcetree>/ChangeLog11:16
siretartok11:17
siretartdiffstat/changelog and co sent11:23
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lucasdholbach: you forgot to answer regarding the UVF exc req later in the mail. was it on purpose ,12:02
lucas?12:02
dholbachNo, I'm just busy and didn't look over them yet.12:03
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dholbachI wanted to respond to the rest of the mail earlier.12:03
dholbachI want UVF to be a team effort, so no need to get stuff blocked on me.12:04
dholbachI'll send a first mail with a list of the stuff we agree on to Matt and Colin later today.12:04
lucasok12:04
dholbachThanks.12:09
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tsengLathiat: pong12:34
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jdong|livecdmez: ping02:12
Mezlol02:13
Mezevening jdong|livecd, pong02:13
jdong|livecdMez: morning... :)02:13
jdong|livecdMez: can you get me more LP permissions?02:13
jdong|livecdMez: most of the edit buttons lock me out02:14
Mezjdong: what do you mean ?02:14
jdong|livecdMez: for example, https://launchpad.net/products/breezy-backports/+edit gives me permission denied02:14
Mezyeah02:15
Mezthats meant to be like that02:15
Mezwhy you editing it02:15
Mezjdong|livecd, leae it alone for now - I'm talking to LP devs to see if they can sort something out02:16
Mezand one of them has come up witha  great idea02:16
jdong|livecdMez: alright02:16
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jdong|livecdoff topic, but how stable/usable is Dapper right now?02:21
Mezjdong|livecd, It's quite good02:22
Mezlil problem with xorg702:22
Mezbut i believe thats fixed now02:22
jdong|livecdand from day to day, no big nuclear meltdowns from dist-upgrading?02:23
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Mezjdong|livecd, not so far02:23
jdong|livecdok, then I guess I'll set myself up as a dual-boot...02:24
jdong|livecdhave an extra 15GB partition02:24
jdong|livecdwould sharing home partitions between a breezy and dapper dual boot be a bad idea atm?02:27
jdong|livecdFF is one incompatibility that comes to mind....02:27
jdong|livecdbut I think I can work around that02:27
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Mezjdong: shouldt be too much of a problem02:42
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zakameheya dholbach02:50
dholbachre02:50
dholbach:-)02:50
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zakamedholbach: is it really that cold over there? :-)02:53
dholbachYes. :-)02:53
dholbachThe small channels and the river are frozen too.02:54
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zakamewow, my dad would like that :) but my mom would freeze too :))02:54
zakameheya raphink , master REVU-er :)02:55
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raphinktalking about REVU, anyone could review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1591 please ?03:06
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bddebianHeya gang04:10
zakameheya bddebian !!! long time no see :-)04:11
bddebianAye.  How you doing zakame04:11
zakamebddebian: quite fine, just keeping some eyes out on REVU (although I've yet to comment :(04:13
bddebianAh :-)04:13
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`Djonhi04:21
`DjonThere is who alive?04:21
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raphinksiretart: are you there?04:50
siretartraphink: rather not, I'm currently fighting with cfengine04:52
raphinkok04:52
raphinki've got a pb with an upload that I made wrongt04:52
raphinkI didn't run debuild properly (:e04:52
siretartdoes anyone happen to know how to set a group/class in cfengine which name is the output of a shellcommand?04:53
raphink:(04:53
raphinkso I got a .tar.gz and a .dsc instead of orig and diff04:53
raphinkand it was accepted in multiverse :(04:53
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raphinkit should be in universe though04:58
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raphinkajmitch_: what's the server name to log in to REVU?05:13
raphinkah got it :)05:14
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siretartraphink: you need to upload another version of the package, this time non-native05:23
raphinkyes05:23
raphinkgood news is that beta2 is out since two days ago05:23
raphinkso Tonio will release a new version of the package with beta205:24
raphinkand I'll upload it properly05:24
raphinkso I'll upgrade beta105:24
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raphinksiretart: how do I run revu-build on tiber?05:24
raphinketc.05:24
raphink /usr/local/bin/revu-build: line 30: libswitch0.3.1_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_i386.info: Permission denied05:25
raphinketc.05:25
raphinkI've tried with sudo, in case there was a special rule for this, but it doesn't work either05:25
raphinkit runs but I don't have the right to write on the server it seems05:26
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raphinkajmitch_: I'm sure you know the answer ;)05:30
raphinkdholbach: are you there?05:36
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dholbachraphink: yes05:40
raphink:)05:40
raphinkdholbach: do you know about my question?05:40
raphinkwhen I try to use revu-build on tiber, I get series of errors :05:41
raphink /usr/local/bin/revu-build: line 30: libswitch0.3.1_0.3.1-0ubuntu1_i386.info: Permission denied05:41
raphinkoh and I have another question about tiber actually ;)05:41
raphinkwell do you know about whether there is a way to get revu-build to work first of all?05:42
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dholbachraphink: no, no idea, no access to tiber05:43
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raphinkoh ok05:44
raphinkdholbach: maybe you have an idea on the second issue although you have no access05:44
raphinkI have an account on tiber, and dput is installed and configured on the system05:44
raphinkdo you think it is safe to import by .gnupg settings from my machine so I can upload directly from within tiber?05:44
tsengerm that is a pretty bad idea05:45
tsengyou dont put your private key on shared hosts05:45
dholbachraphink: what tseng said, don't do it.05:45
raphinkyep ok :)05:45
tsengor really any host that has a direct opening to the internet05:45
raphinkso uploading from tiber is a bad idea05:45
tsengno, having your private key on tiber is a bad idea05:46
raphinkhmm05:46
tsengupload all you like05:46
raphinkmy key is on a few machines directly opened to the internet05:46
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tseng:)05:46
tsengraphink: well stop that05:46
raphinkbut only on machines on which I have admin rights05:46
raphinktseng: I can't05:46
bddebiantseng baby!05:46
tsengbddebian!05:46
raphinksee my machine is opened to the internet05:46
raphinkmy main one05:46
tsengraphink: as in, you are running open services?05:46
raphinkand I don't own a whole bunch of machines05:46
raphinktseng : http, ftp, ssh05:47
tsengergh05:47
raphinkat least05:47
tsengsee, if there is a zero day exploit in httpd05:47
raphinkwell ssh at least, otherwise I can't access my machine remotly05:47
raphinkand I only have one05:47
tsengplus a privelage escalation05:47
tsengsomeone can steal your key05:47
raphinkplus someone intersted in my key05:47
raphinkplus someone who is able to decrypt my password once he has the key05:48
raphinkthat's a lot of ifs ;)05:48
tsengits not enough, imo05:48
raphinkmy machine is not the US Army main server05:48
tsengbut tiber is a definate no05:48
raphinkok05:48
Mithrandirraphink: you know you can sign remotely by using debsign -r host /path/to/file?05:48
tsengtiber has alot less ifs :)05:48
raphinkand I guess I shouldn't have it on this machine either05:48
raphinkMithrandir: oh interesting05:49
tsenghi Mithrandir05:49
Mithrandirhiya tseng-dude.05:49
Mithrandirhow's life?05:49
tsengits good05:49
tsengfirst day at "new" job05:49
Mithrandiroh, doing what?05:49
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raphink:)*05:49
tsengwhich means i get a better paycheck at the same desk05:50
raphinkwhat's your new job?05:50
tsengMithrandir: i write network management tools for a big financial company05:50
bddebianNice05:50
tsengMithrandir: snmp, rrdtool, expect.. fun stuff05:50
raphinknice05:50
Mithrandirsounds nice05:51
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tsengya05:52
tsengall built on Breezy, of course05:53
hubraphink: elmo told me to contact LaMont Jones or Adam Conrad for the rebuild05:54
raphinkhub: ok05:55
raphink:)05:58
raphinkMithrandir: that means I could build the source package on tiber06:05
raphinkthen sign it from my comp06:05
raphinkthen upload from tiber06:05
raphink?06:05
raphinkkeeping my gpg key on my comp only06:05
tsengraphink: yes.06:06
Mithrandiryup06:06
raphinkseems good06:06
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phanatichi people06:14
phanatichey raphink, thanks for the upload06:14
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phanatichi people06:58
LaserJockhi phanatic07:02
bddebianHello phanatic07:04
LaserJockbddebian: hi, how's it going?07:04
bddebianLaserJock: Busy as usual. :(  You?07:05
bddebianHeya \sh07:05
phanaticgnome-power-manager is driving me crazy07:05
LaserJockbddebian: yeah, I've got to get a poster ready for a conference, but I just got docteam repo access today so I might try to push out some Packaging Guide07:05
phanaticit hibernates my laptop everytime it is launched, and it is started automatically... suxx :)07:06
\shhey bddebian07:06
bddebianLaserJock: You da man! :-)07:07
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LaserJockwho should I ask about getting packages removed?07:49
bddebianElmo07:49
bddebianGood luck :-)07:49
LaserJockbddebian: should I get a MOTU to ask for me?07:49
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LaserJockdholbach: ping?07:58
dholbachLaserJock: pong07:59
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tsengbddebian: what is going on07:59
LaserJockdholbach: I would like to get one of the apt-get.org imports (mathpazo) removed, could you ask elmo for me?08:00
bddebiantseng: Work, work, work. :'-(  You?08:00
tsengnothing08:00
tsengfighting with motorola routers and expect08:00
bddebianJoy08:00
dholbachLaserJock: can't you ask himself?08:01
tsengit wasnt killing telnet at the end of my loop08:01
tsengso i ended up with 1000s of proceesses08:01
LaserJockdholbach: I could but I don't know if he listens to nonMOTUs too much. I guess I could try :-)08:01
dholbachyeah :)08:01
bddebianLaserJock: Don't worry, he doesn't listen to MOTUs either ;-P08:01
LaserJocklol08:02
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\shsiretart: ping08:29
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Tonio__hi all08:50
LaserJockhi08:51
LaserJockjeeze, rasmol has some upstream versioning - 2.7.2.1.108:53
Amaranthwow08:53
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LaserJockso is that a major version, minor version, miny version, micro version, and nano version ;-)08:55
bddebianHeh08:55
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thierry__anyone who could review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=158909:00
ajmitchmorning all09:06
LaserJockhi andrew09:06
\shok...fixed bluefish09:08
\shmalone #1426 resolved09:09
UbugtuMalone bug 1426: "opening files with bluefish -n confuses window title" Fix req. for: bluefish (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Fix Released http://launchpad.net/bugs/142609:09
LaserJockhmm, so there are still 84 packages on the "Accepted" merge list09:10
ajmitchyeah, I've probably got a few to clear09:10
\shwhat is a non-unicode version of wxWidgets?09:11
LaserJockwith the rest we should be able to at least see if UVF applies and merge/sync those that it doesn't, right?09:12
\shmalone #319409:12
UbugtuMalone bug 3194: "No non-unicode wxWidgets 2.6" Fix req. for: wxwidgets2.6 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/319409:12
LaserJock\sh: I've been wondering that myself09:12
LaserJock\sh: I think there might be at least 2 Malone bugs about that09:12
zulhmm...blam is broken09:13
\shwell...unicode should be a standard for ubuntu, right, so the applications should support unicode :)09:13
LaserJockoh, I'm wrong. 2 comments on the same bug09:13
LaserJockso it's not wxwidgets2.6's fault but the apps that are using it?09:14
\shxtranslate.c:28: warning: return type of 'main' is not 'int'09:15
\shwtf...09:15
\shLaserJock: I would say yes09:15
LaserJock\sh: so what do you with the bug report?09:15
LaserJock\sh: could we even provide a non-unicode version?09:16
\shLaserJock: well to be honesy I don't know...I would say set another non-utf8 locale and it should work09:16
\shbut I don't use the applications he is talking about09:16
LaserJock\sh: ok, I'll make a comment suggesting they try a non-utf8 locale and see if that works but stating that unicode is the standard for Ubuntu09:17
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\shLaserJock: cool thx :)#09:22
LaserJock\sh: np, I had the bug report open in my browser anyway ;-)09:22
\shI'm writing very serious changelog entries09:22
\sh  * xtranslate.c:09:22
\sh    + changed void main(...) to int main(...) to be C compatible09:22
\sh    + added return (0); at the end of main to return, yes, returncode 009:22
tseng\sh++09:23
\shtseng: well, I wonder why this bug never got fixed in the past09:24
\sheventually "void main()" is such a common mistake09:24
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tsengyeah09:25
sivang\sh: what bug is that, what packages?09:29
\shmalone #380709:29
UbugtuMalone bug 3807: "Crash opening xtranslate" Fix req. for: xtranslate (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/380709:29
\shbut I found another one related to this package09:30
\shdebian 34944609:30
UbugtuError: Could not parse data returned by Debian bugtracker: need more than 1 value to unpack09:30
\shdebian #34944609:30
UbugtuError: Could not parse data returned by Debian bugtracker: need more than 1 value to unpack09:30
\shshit09:30
\shhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=34944609:30
UbugtuError: Could not parse data returned by Debian bugtracker: need more than 1 value to unpack09:30
sivang\sh: ah, I see. thanks09:31
sivangcan anyone do a quick test for me? (of some python code that uses dbus and hal)09:32
Tonio_dholbach: ping ?09:36
dholbachTonio_: pong09:37
Tonio_dholbach: hi !09:38
dholbachHello09:38
\shoh man, the easiest things are not done....<metacode> if display == NULL then complain about it endif09:38
Tonio_dholbach: I know the reason pwmanager doesn't upload correctly....09:38
dholbachAha? Tell me!09:38
Tonio_dholbach: ready ? quite fun ;)09:38
Tonio_Same rejection reason as the last 6 times. Too generic a name for something09:38
Tonio_tied to a specific desktop environment.09:38
dholbachOh wow!09:39
Tonio_katie's log09:39
Tonio_it doesn't like the name ^_^09:39
dholbachThey can't say, we didn't try :-p09:39
Tonio_dholbach: I must say I'm a bit lost on what to do hihi ;)09:39
dholbachkde-pwmanager *shrug*09:40
dholbachdunno09:40
\shhmmm?09:40
dholbachmonsieur riddell might have a clever idea09:40
Tonio_I'll ask him yes09:40
\shpwmanager a wrong name?09:40
\shwhy?09:40
\shonly if a package with the same name is in the archive09:40
dholbachI suppose it was not an automatism.09:41
Tonio_\sh: absolutly no idea, but that's katie's output... and there is no package with that name in the archive... I already checked09:41
Riddellit'll be manual09:41
\shTonio_: somewhere in the provides?09:41
RiddellI've forgotten what pwmanager kdoes anyway09:41
\shor elmo :)09:41
Riddellbut kde-pwmanager would be the sensible way to go09:41
Tonio_Riddell: do you want me to rebuild the package and upload it to revu ?09:42
Tonio_\sh: the output is signed "James", does it means it has been rejected by elmo directly, or can that be an automated process anyway ?09:44
\shTonio_: it means elmo rejected it :)09:44
Tonio_\sh: okay ;) I quite don't understand, but he should have his reasons....09:44
\shjames != our beloved katie...I think elmo was petting katie at this time...and katie enjoyed it very much .09:44
RiddellTonio_: please09:45
Tonio_Riddell: I'll do now09:45
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\shbah09:52
\shit's unbelievable09:52
\shDisplay *display=XOpenDisplay("")09:52
ubuntu_I'm testing flight 3 live-cd and I wonder on wich package to fill a bug09:53
\shwill return NULL if no DISPLAY is set...what happens when you try to use a NULL pointer?09:53
ubuntu_when I enter the french language, I get the wrong keyboard layout, I think it should ask wich kind of layout I want (there's mainly 2 in french)09:53
ubuntu_wich package could that be?09:53
\shubuntu: #ubuntu :)09:54
ubuntu_k sorry for spamming09:54
jamessan\sh: of course, everything will work as expected.  NULL pointers automatically do what you want them to  ;)09:54
phanatic\sh: segmentation fault i suppose :)09:54
\shjamessan: yes, right, correct, segfaulting :)09:54
\shand it's only a matter of 4 lines...if (!display) { fprintf(stderr,"You fck bastard, set your DISPLAY properly!"); exit(EXIT_FAILURE);}09:55
phanaticlol09:55
jamessanbut that's work that you have to do instead of letting the program do it for you09:56
\shbut what Yann fixed was much better...09:56
\shwort = malloc((char) "TRANSLATEWORD=");09:56
\shthat's really the best one I ever saw09:56
\shmake a string packed into a char.09:56
jamessanhah09:56
\shthat's better then gzip99 compression09:56
\shand such software is really in our archives and in debians09:57
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thierryn_slomo : JohnnyMast told me you could review my package...10:06
Tonio_Riddell: kde-pwmanager uploaded to revu10:09
thierryn_Tonio_ : are you a MOTU?10:11
Tonio_thierryn_: nope10:12
LaserJockthierryn_: you are probably better off just asking for a review from any available person in general and giving the package name or REVU URL10:13
LaserJockany available reviewer I mean10:14
RiddellTonio_ should be a MOTU10:15
azeemthierryn_: why do you install the headers from libfxruby1.4/*.h and not debian/tmp?  Are they not getting installed there?10:15
RiddellTonio_: are you a member?10:15
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Tonio_Riddell: maybe tomorow :) I'll finally get to oportunity to introduce at the CC10:15
RiddellTonio_: got a wiki page?10:16
Tonio_Riddell: yep but not fully up to date10:16
Tonio_I'm working ont it10:16
Riddellneed to do that before the meeting10:16
Tonio_Riddell: I know, I put10:17
RiddellTonio_: give me a ping before the meeting to make sure I'm around10:17
Tonio_Riddell: okay ;)10:17
thierryn_azeem : it's my second package so I'm a but confused with all that stuff of installing what where... if it works and installs all I want where it should I'm happy10:22
thierryn_azeem : but if you have a better way to do to offer me, it would be great :)10:23
azeemyou shouldn't blindly put any header files into the -dev package10:23
azeemthere is a destinction between public and private headers10:23
thierryn_k, I didn't know10:24
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thierryn_azeem : so how should I fix this?10:27
thierryn_checking if the headers is public or not??10:27
azeemI asked you whether those headers are getting installed into debian/tmp10:28
azeemif they are, that is a good indication they are public10:28
thierryn_ok going to check that when I'll have finished testing flight 310:29
azeemI also wonder why you have C headers in a ruby package, but maybe they have something similar?10:29
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thierryn_azeem : to what I have seen, the package use C and ruby... the whole config, make and install stuff is in ruby but some stuff seems to be in C also10:30
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thierryn_azeem : anything else that could stop my package from being advocated?10:32
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azeemI don't know, I only took a short glance on it10:32
azeemthierryn_: did you have a look at how other ruby packages are built?  I thought they are rather called ruby-something, but maybe I am confused10:33
phanaticcould someone have a look at this: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1579 ?10:34
thierryn_azeem : well it's also because of libfox1.4 ...10:34
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dholbachHave a nice evening.10:39
bddebianLater dholbach10:39
ajmitchbddebian: you'd like this talk - about the structure of debian packages & how to build them using various tools :)10:50
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bddebianajmitch: WHen/where?10:51
bddebianOoohhh10:51
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ajmitchbddebian: now, dunedin, NZ11:00
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RiddellTonio_: does that soundkonverter break UVF?11:08
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sivangajmitch: successor to the "pkging like real men used to do" talk?11:09
sivanganyway folks, I'm off to bed. I'm pretty beat11:09
ajmitchsivang: sort of11:09
sivangajmitch: cool, just make sure it has a nice wiki page like the current one has, and you're a hero for ever :)11:10
sivangajmitch: the current one is very good11:10
bddebianLater sivang11:10
sivangajmitch: helped me see some of the stuff very clearly for some first time :)11:10
sivanglater bddebian11:10
ajmitchsivang: um11:10
ajmitchsivang: I didn't give the talk :P11:11
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sivangleave your highlights for me, I will check them tomorrow11:14
Tonio_Riddell: possibly yes, I think it breaks UVF11:17
RiddellTonio_: did you ask for an exception?11:17
Tonio_but while uploading the previous version, a little mistake was done, resulting a package orig.tgz11:18
Tonio_Riddell: nope11:18
Tonio_Riddell: what's the process for this ?11:18
RiddellTonio_: ask dholbach I think and he'll forward to mdz once a week11:18
RiddellI could be wrong11:19
Tonio_Riddell: k11:19
bddebianLater folks11:21
\shTonio_: read ubuntu-motu...a small description what the new version does, a diff of real upstream changelog from old version to new version, and a diff -ruN <old sourcetree> <new sourcetree>|diffstat attached to a mail to ubuntu-motu :)11:24
Tonio_\sh: the old file has been uploaded without a diff.....11:25
\shTonio_: I don't mean diff.gz11:25
Tonio_\sh:  ah ok ;)11:25
\shTonio_: diff -ruN <old sourcetree>/ChangeLog <new sourcetree>/ChangeLog11:25
\shTonio_: diff -ruN <old sourcetree> <new sourcetree>|diffstat11:26
\shboth outputs piped into files and those files attached to your exception report11:26
Tonio_\sh: thanks for the info, I'll do that and email daniel11:26
\shexplanations, why it should be an exception and the rists of upgrading the package should be included in the text11:26
Tonio_okay11:27
\shTonio_: no. mailing ubuntu-motu ML :) so we can discuss it11:27
Tonio_\sh: ok11:27
\shTonio_: dholbach wrote a mail how this process is working...if you missed this mail, I can forward it to you11:28
Tonio_\sh: yep, that would be with pleasure....11:29
\shTonio_: email address?11:29
Tonio_\sh: I lost lots of datas while migrating to dapper on my maptop.... I had to format and come back to breezy ;)11:29
Tonio_\sh: anthony.mercatante(at)laposte.net11:29
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Tonio_I forgot to backup emails before upgrading..... shame on me11:30
\shTonio_: on the way11:30
\shTonio_: that's why I'm using imap :)11:30
\shand not pop311:31
Tonio_\sh: I'm using imap on all my accounts except this one ;)11:31
\shTonio_: shame :)11:31
\shon you :)11:31
Tonio_and the worst thing is that this accounts provides imap for free.......11:31
\shanyways...time to sleep :)11:32
Tonio_\sh: so you can say and say it again :)11:32
Tonio_nite \sh11:32
\shgood night everybody :)11:32
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