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hanowarsYa estoy.12:36
hanowarsSolo me dijo eso, que no existe el fichero o directorio12:36
Burgworkhanowars, #edubuntu-es12:38
hanowarsUpps12:39
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: 11 Jan at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes| edubuntu flight3 released !
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dan_can anyone recommend an app to help a four-year-old play around with music?03:33
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mhz_cookingdan_: play with music?03:35
dan_yes, games that covertly teach music fundamentals03:36
dan_something she could use to (eventually) make her own  toons.03:36
dan_*tunes03:36
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mhz_cookingdan_: hmmmmm03:42
mhz_cookingI know there is something to create 'partituras' (those sheets to read music)03:42
dan_does gcompris have some music stuff?03:43
mhz_cookingAlso, I know there's an application to learn piano basics03:43
mhz_cookingdan_: Gcompris and Childsplay are great for young kids03:43
mhz_cookingbut03:43
mhz_cookingas for music stuff....03:44
mhz_cookingthey have many applications including sound and effects03:44
mhz_cookingbut nothing to 'learn music'03:44
mhz_cookingdan_: have you tried Synaptics Package Manager?03:44
dan_I typed music and got a lot of audio players03:45
mhz_cookingyou could search packages by 'category' or 'description'03:45
dan_"music children" returned nothing03:45
=== mhz_cooking will try
mhz_cookingdan_: is your source.list open to universe or still default after installation?03:45
dan_I added universe, multiverse, etc.03:46
mhz_cookingokis03:47
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mhzdan_: ping03:59
mhzdan_: sudo apt-cache show education-music03:59
dan_ok03:59
mhzBrahms is a multi-track graphical music editor. It allows score and03:59
mhz piano-roll notation, multi-part tracks and drum-tracks.03:59
mhzdan_: GNU Solfege is an ear training program for X Window written in python,04:01
mhzusing the GTK+ 2.0 and GNOME2 libraries. You can practice harmonic and04:02
mhz melodic intervals, chords, scales and rhythms, and you can add new04:02
mhz exercises using a simple plain text file format.04:02
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mhzdan_: at least basde on description.. is this near what you looked for?04:07
dan_I'll check those out, and the others in the list.  Thanks for your help.  I hadn't tried childsplay and it looks great.  Thanks for that, too.   I'll have my daughter on the fast track to Julliard / Stanford / MIT.  :) 04:07
mhzbased04:07
mhzdan_: I am very glad to help04:07
mhzmy daughter is also 404:07
mhzand my wife a musician and environment engenner04:08
dan_cool.04:08
dan_Is your daughter getting good with computers?04:08
mhzso she'll be happy to know I found something that may help04:08
mhzdan_: not yet, but she loved Edubuntu Gcompris and Childsplay04:08
mhzat least she can turn it on04:08
mhzand of04:08
mhzf04:09
dan_Emma loved Gcompris.  When I got a Mac and told her that it didn't have gcompris she actually cried.04:09
mhzand also manage her own Gcompris environment04:09
mhzdan_: lol04:09
mhzdan_: lol but i am sorry04:09
mhz:)04:09
mhzdan_: but you can try Edubuntu on Macs04:09
dan_I made here this page:  http://www.personman.com/emma and she can click through and play flash games04:09
dan_??04:10
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mhzG3 Powerbook, 350 Mhz and 256 MB ram04:10
dan_dunno, I like my OS X.04:10
mhzheheheh04:10
mhzbut you can run it in 2 diff ways:04:11
dan_setting this Edubuntu box up has been a pleasure, though.04:11
dan_dual boot?04:11
dan_I might try that sometime.04:11
mhza) Install Linux and use MacOnLinux which will run OSX in a Window04:11
mhzb) partition your HD for each OS04:11
dan_I've never had Linux on a really fast computer, that would be interesting.04:12
dan_I'm going to get back to it, thanks again for your help.04:13
mhzdan_: your wellcome and thx for Emma's page :)04:13
mhzCan Amaya (my daughter) use it too?04:13
dan_of course.04:14
dan_feel free to use that page, or copy the source and change the name for Amaya if you want.04:14
mhzhehehe04:15
mhzsure04:15
mhzthx04:15
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sq377Has anyone tested using the novell client and edubuntu?04:46
sq377If i can get a computer working well, with linux under their existing setup with novell, they will switch all but the graphics arts class in my high school to edubuntu.04:47
sq377or is edubuntu aimed for younger childeren (the impression i'm getting from the screenshots)04:47
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mhzsq377: not aimed necesarily to kids04:58
mhzdapper will cover older learners too04:58
sq377ok05:20
sq377is the edubuntu release of dapper going to be with the april release? or some time after?05:20
mhzyup05:26
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mhzAbril05:26
mhzthe 20th, I guess05:26
yennyKaHooola a todos!!!05:26
mhzyennyKa: hi there05:27
yennyKahi mhz :)05:28
mhzyennyKa: what does GLUC stand for?05:28
mhzand where are you from?05:29
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yennyKamhz: You know of some document in which it is spoken clearly of the characteristics of Edubuntu (engineering specifications, applications, objectives) among others?05:31
yennyKamhz I'm from Popayn (Colombia)05:31
mhzyennyKa: puedes unirte al #edubuntu-es05:32
mhzalli esta lguerra, colombiano de Pereira05:32
mhzy yo tambien :D05:32
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yennyKagracias mhz ...05:32
mhzyw05:32
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mhzmhz phone Yagisan 12:46
mhz:)12:46
mhzYagisan: I am on my way out but I would like to talk to you. I guess you will go to bed soon. When would you get back to IRC?12:47
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juliuxogra, ping05:43
ograjuliux, pong05:44
juliuxogra, do you know if there is any ubuntu dev or motu in the near of hannover ?05:45
ogranope, there is none05:45
juliuxthxs05:45
juliuxbecause we can do talks at the cebit05:46
juliuxbut i have no time to do that05:46
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lucasvoxubuntu doesn't seem to use standard xinit scripts06:55
lucasvoI installed the xubuntu package on a breezy box with Edubuntu + ltsp, but xfce only worked on the server not on the clients06:56
lucasvowhat's wrong?06:56
jairhello guys, correct me if I am wrong, but most of the games and activities on the edubuntu distro are available to Debian Sarge 3.1?06:56
ograyes06:56
lucasvoogra: do you know whats wrong?06:58
ogralucasvo, did you try sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager06:59
ograto select xfce as default session ? 06:59
jairogra, may I have a hint of where could I find the list of those games? the thing is that I have couple of computers with Linux Debian stable 3.1 that are already running. And all i would like to do is have all those applications available for the kids at the organization where I work.06:59
lucasvoyes I think so06:59
lucasvojair: a edubuntu installation would be much faster :P07:00
lucasvojair: but just try the edubuntu livecd07:00
lucasvothere you see which apps are installed07:00
ograjair, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop07:00
jairthank you ogra 07:00
ograjair, thats the complete desktop list, there is a subsection for the edubuntu addons07:01
jairogra, nice, I will be installing eventually the schoolbeel or calendar for small organizations, like we are a non-profit one. :)07:01
ogracool07:02
jairbut I will explore how to installed individually I like edubuntu a lot but I will be using it in a LTSP soon :)07:02
ograltsp is our core technic, most development is happening in this area for the next release :)07:03
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juliuxhi mhz 08:24
juliuxmhz, do you have a short text about edubuntu?08:25
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mhzjuliux: ?08:26
mhzhi08:26
mhzwhat you have in mind?08:26
mhzwhat exactly do you need?08:26
juliuxmhz, a short text what is special for edubuntu08:26
mhzand I guess you need it in english?08:26
juliuxmhz, for a fair catalog08:26
juliuxmhz, right08:26
mhzhmmm08:26
mhzI only have it spanish08:26
juliuxmhz, how long?08:27
mhzhmmm,,,,08:27
juliuxmhz, i need something about 200 words08:28
mhz2 to 4 paragraphs08:28
mhz(about 150 words)08:28
juliuxyes thats ok08:28
mhzjuliux: but I wont be able to trasnlate it into englih until thursday (maybe)08:28
juliuxmhz, it has time08:29
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juliuxmhz, i need it until 31.1 is that ok for you?08:29
mhzyup08:33
juliuxthanks mhz 08:33
mhzcount on that08:33
mhzw08:33
mhzyw08:33
mhzbut please remind me to it on thurdsay08:34
juliuxmhz, ok08:34
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signifer123Hello09:10
juliuxhi signifer123 09:10
signifer123hey man...09:10
signifer123UTC is GMT -?09:11
juliuxsignifer123, puh09:11
juliuxsignifer123, check date -utc09:11
ograrather date -u :)09:12
signifer123k09:13
signifer123thx09:13
signifer123ehen the next meeting?09:13
ograedubuntu meeting is at 12:00 UTC every wednesday09:14
ograunless the topic in this channel tells something different09:14
signifer123ok09:15
signifer123you guys hold logs?09:16
lucasvosignifer123: yes09:17
lucasvofabbione does09:17
lucasvons1.dynamic-net.ch      [62.67.58.76] 09:17
lucasvons2.dynamic-net.ch      [81.3.18.135] 09:17
lucasvoups09:17
lucasvohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/09:17
lucasvosee #ubuntu-meeting topic09:17
signifer123k thanks09:18
lucasvothe  "middlemouse button" and the normal copy/paste buffer is strange09:18
lucasvoone should put them together09:18
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signifer123sorry if you guys jsut didn't feel about answering before i just guess you wern't paying attemtion, but how do you feel about the use of RealBasic to make applications for edubuntu?09:21
lucasvosignifer123: atm the edubuntu team isn't making any apps09:22
lucasvothey just put them together09:22
ogra_realbasic is nothing we could ship, there is no free implementation 09:22
lucasvoI would prefer python09:22
ogra_we couldnt ship the interpreter, so we cant build packages ...09:22
signifer123welli ment for me to make apps with?09:23
signifer123because currently i jsut use it for windows09:23
lucasvosignifer123: I would suggest you use python because it is 100% GPL09:23
lucasvoogra_: put your cigarette out of your mouth 09:23
ogra_if you get an interpreter for linux and are able to install it, why not ...09:23
lucasvo;-)09:24
signifer123well the thing is it doesn't need an interpretter..iwas jsut wondering if this was founed upon like vb is in the windows world09:24
signifer123sincei  feel it runs faster :-p09:24
ogra_if you want to produce something we can put into the distro and deliver to people, then lucasvo is right , python, C or C++ are preferred09:24
signifer123ok.09:25
signifer123that include glade?09:25
lucasvoyes09:25
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signifer123glade is accepted or not?09:25
ogra_yup, it is09:25
signifer123ok.09:26
lucasvoglade is used in a lot of ubuntu apps09:26
ogra_half of the desktop :)09:26
signifer123ohh wow...09:26
signifer123didn't expect that...09:26
signifer123how about java?09:27
signifer123that acceptable like c++/c/python?09:28
ogra_if your app runs with the free gcj compiler, then its fine09:28
signifer123ok09:28
ogra_i.e. eclipse is something we can support, it runs with gcj, freemind doesnt ...09:28
ogra_... so freemind isnt packaged09:29
signifer123ok09:30
signifer123so pretty much if it runs nativly then you support it, or no?09:34
signifer123lol09:34
ogranope, if the libs, interpreters or compilers are available, we ship it09:36
signifer123o ok09:36
signifer123kinda...09:36
signifer123the compiler has to be free too?09:37
ograthe problem is that our build system only accepts source uploads, so the packages must be compilable with the pieces we have on board09:38
ogranot strictly09:38
ograwe have some java apps that we ship in multiverse for example ...09:38
ograbut they will always have to stay in multiverse ... 09:39
signifer123ok becuase i'm jsut shooting at making an app in realbasic...it runs as long as the host computer has glibc-2.3, is that ok?09:40
signifer123so that owudl be a multiverse?09:40
signifer123would*09:40
ogranope09:42
ograas i said above, we cant do binary uploads09:42
signifer123yeah...:-p09:42
signifer123need to remember that...09:42
ograif we upload the source, we have no realbasic interpreter09:42
ograso the package cant be built09:42
signifer123ok09:43
signifer123well thanks for clearing that up even though i'm quite dense09:43
ogranah, you arent :)09:44
signifer123ohh aone more thing09:45
signifer123one*09:45
signifer123sorry...09:45
signifer123i remember a edubuntu video thing where a guy was making video showing how to do stuff in edubuntu09:46
signifer123how do i get in on that?09:46
signifer123or is that individual09:46
ograyou mean you want to make a video ? 09:46
ograi'm not aware of such a project...09:46
signifer123it wasn't a project09:47
signifer123i beleive it was on the mailing list09:47
signifer123or in the forum09:47
ograbut you can install istanbul and take desktop videos 09:47
ograits pretty easy09:47
signifer123ok09:48
signifer123thanks09:48
signifer123i'll probably be back to bug you later :-p09:48
ograjust go on, thats what this channel is for ;)09:49
jairogra, Thank you very much for all the help, I will be probably helping with the translation to Spanish in the schooltool project :)09:51
ogracool :)09:51
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signifer123does edubuntu have nything like algebrator?09:59
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signifer123none?10:15
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signifer123lol10:21
signifer123anyone here play with glade?10:21
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