[12:36] <hanowars> Ya estoy.
[12:36] <hanowars> Solo me dijo eso, que no existe el fichero o directorio
[12:38] <Burgwork> hanowars, #edubuntu-es
[12:39] <hanowars> Upps
[03:33] <dan_> can anyone recommend an app to help a four-year-old play around with music?
[03:35] <mhz_cooking> dan_: play with music?
[03:36] <dan_> yes, games that covertly teach music fundamentals
[03:36] <dan_> something she could use to (eventually) make her own  toons.
[03:36] <dan_> *tunes
[03:42] <mhz_cooking> dan_: hmmmmm
[03:42] <mhz_cooking> I know there is something to create 'partituras' (those sheets to read music)
[03:43] <dan_> does gcompris have some music stuff?
[03:43] <mhz_cooking> Also, I know there's an application to learn piano basics
[03:43] <mhz_cooking> dan_: Gcompris and Childsplay are great for young kids
[03:43] <mhz_cooking> but
[03:44] <mhz_cooking> as for music stuff....
[03:44] <mhz_cooking> they have many applications including sound and effects
[03:44] <mhz_cooking> but nothing to 'learn music'
[03:44] <mhz_cooking> dan_: have you tried Synaptics Package Manager?
[03:45] <dan_> I typed music and got a lot of audio players
[03:45] <mhz_cooking> you could search packages by 'category' or 'description'
[03:45] <dan_> "music children" returned nothing
[03:45] <mhz_cooking> dan_: is your source.list open to universe or still default after installation?
[03:46] <dan_> I added universe, multiverse, etc.
[03:47] <mhz_cooking> okis
[03:59] <mhz> dan_: ping
[03:59] <mhz> dan_: sudo apt-cache show education-music
[03:59] <dan_> ok
[03:59] <mhz> Brahms is a multi-track graphical music editor. It allows score and
[03:59] <mhz>  piano-roll notation, multi-part tracks and drum-tracks.
[04:01] <mhz> dan_: GNU Solfege is an ear training program for X Window written in python,
[04:02] <mhz> using the GTK+ 2.0 and GNOME2 libraries. You can practice harmonic and
[04:02] <mhz>  melodic intervals, chords, scales and rhythms, and you can add new
[04:02] <mhz>  exercises using a simple plain text file format.
[04:07] <mhz> dan_: at least basde on description.. is this near what you looked for?
[04:07] <dan_> I'll check those out, and the others in the list.  Thanks for your help.  I hadn't tried childsplay and it looks great.  Thanks for that, too.   I'll have my daughter on the fast track to Julliard / Stanford / MIT.  :) 
[04:07] <mhz> based
[04:07] <mhz> dan_: I am very glad to help
[04:07] <mhz> my daughter is also 4
[04:08] <mhz> and my wife a musician and environment engenner
[04:08] <dan_> cool.
[04:08] <dan_> Is your daughter getting good with computers?
[04:08] <mhz> so she'll be happy to know I found something that may help
[04:08] <mhz> dan_: not yet, but she loved Edubuntu Gcompris and Childsplay
[04:08] <mhz> at least she can turn it on
[04:08] <mhz> and of
[04:09] <mhz> f
[04:09] <dan_> Emma loved Gcompris.  When I got a Mac and told her that it didn't have gcompris she actually cried.
[04:09] <mhz> and also manage her own Gcompris environment
[04:09] <mhz> dan_: lol
[04:09] <mhz> dan_: lol but i am sorry
[04:09] <mhz> :)
[04:09] <mhz> dan_: but you can try Edubuntu on Macs
[04:09] <dan_> I made here this page:  http://www.personman.com/emma and she can click through and play flash games
[04:10] <dan_> ??
[04:10] <mhz> G3 Powerbook, 350 Mhz and 256 MB ram
[04:10] <dan_> dunno, I like my OS X.
[04:10] <mhz> heheheh
[04:11] <mhz> but you can run it in 2 diff ways:
[04:11] <dan_> setting this Edubuntu box up has been a pleasure, though.
[04:11] <dan_> dual boot?
[04:11] <dan_> I might try that sometime.
[04:11] <mhz> a) Install Linux and use MacOnLinux which will run OSX in a Window
[04:11] <mhz> b) partition your HD for each OS
[04:12] <dan_> I've never had Linux on a really fast computer, that would be interesting.
[04:13] <dan_> I'm going to get back to it, thanks again for your help.
[04:13] <mhz> dan_: your wellcome and thx for Emma's page :)
[04:13] <mhz> Can Amaya (my daughter) use it too?
[04:14] <dan_> of course.
[04:14] <dan_> feel free to use that page, or copy the source and change the name for Amaya if you want.
[04:15] <mhz> hehehe
[04:15] <mhz> sure
[04:15] <mhz> thx
[04:46] <sq377> Has anyone tested using the novell client and edubuntu?
[04:47] <sq377> If i can get a computer working well, with linux under their existing setup with novell, they will switch all but the graphics arts class in my high school to edubuntu.
[04:47] <sq377> or is edubuntu aimed for younger childeren (the impression i'm getting from the screenshots)
[04:58] <mhz> sq377: not aimed necesarily to kids
[04:58] <mhz> dapper will cover older learners too
[05:20] <sq377> ok
[05:20] <sq377> is the edubuntu release of dapper going to be with the april release? or some time after?
[05:26] <mhz> yup
[05:26] <mhz> Abril
[05:26] <mhz> the 20th, I guess
[05:26] <yennyKa> Hooola a todos!!!
[05:27] <mhz> yennyKa: hi there
[05:28] <yennyKa> hi mhz :)
[05:28] <mhz> yennyKa: what does GLUC stand for?
[05:29] <mhz> and where are you from?
[05:31] <yennyKa> mhz: You know of some document in which it is spoken clearly of the characteristics of Edubuntu (engineering specifications, applications, objectives) among others?
[05:31] <yennyKa> mhz I'm from Popayn (Colombia)
[05:32] <mhz> yennyKa: puedes unirte al #edubuntu-es
[05:32] <mhz> alli esta lguerra, colombiano de Pereira
[05:32] <mhz> y yo tambien :D
[05:32] <yennyKa> gracias mhz ...
[05:32] <mhz> yw
[12:46] <mhz> mhz phone Yagisan 
[12:46] <mhz> :)
[12:47] <mhz> Yagisan: I am on my way out but I would like to talk to you. I guess you will go to bed soon. When would you get back to IRC?
[05:43] <juliux> ogra, ping
[05:44] <ogra> juliux, pong
[05:45] <juliux> ogra, do you know if there is any ubuntu dev or motu in the near of hannover ?
[05:45] <ogra> nope, there is none
[05:45] <juliux> thxs
[05:46] <juliux> because we can do talks at the cebit
[05:46] <juliux> but i have no time to do that
[06:55] <lucasvo> xubuntu doesn't seem to use standard xinit scripts
[06:56] <lucasvo> I installed the xubuntu package on a breezy box with Edubuntu + ltsp, but xfce only worked on the server not on the clients
[06:56] <lucasvo> what's wrong?
[06:56] <jair> hello guys, correct me if I am wrong, but most of the games and activities on the edubuntu distro are available to Debian Sarge 3.1?
[06:56] <ogra> yes
[06:58] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know whats wrong?
[06:59] <ogra> lucasvo, did you try sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[06:59] <ogra> to select xfce as default session ? 
[06:59] <jair> ogra, may I have a hint of where could I find the list of those games? the thing is that I have couple of computers with Linux Debian stable 3.1 that are already running. And all i would like to do is have all those applications available for the kids at the organization where I work.
[06:59] <lucasvo> yes I think so
[07:00] <lucasvo> jair: a edubuntu installation would be much faster :P
[07:00] <lucasvo> jair: but just try the edubuntu livecd
[07:00] <lucasvo> there you see which apps are installed
[07:00] <ogra> jair, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[07:00] <jair> thank you ogra 
[07:01] <ogra> jair, thats the complete desktop list, there is a subsection for the edubuntu addons
[07:01] <jair> ogra, nice, I will be installing eventually the schoolbeel or calendar for small organizations, like we are a non-profit one. :)
[07:02] <ogra> cool
[07:02] <jair> but I will explore how to installed individually I like edubuntu a lot but I will be using it in a LTSP soon :)
[07:03] <ogra> ltsp is our core technic, most development is happening in this area for the next release :)
[08:24] <juliux> hi mhz 
[08:25] <juliux> mhz, do you have a short text about edubuntu?
[08:26] <mhz> juliux: ?
[08:26] <mhz> hi
[08:26] <mhz> what you have in mind?
[08:26] <mhz> what exactly do you need?
[08:26] <juliux> mhz, a short text what is special for edubuntu
[08:26] <mhz> and I guess you need it in english?
[08:26] <juliux> mhz, for a fair catalog
[08:26] <juliux> mhz, right
[08:26] <mhz> hmmm
[08:26] <mhz> I only have it spanish
[08:27] <juliux> mhz, how long?
[08:27] <mhz> hmmm,,,,
[08:28] <juliux> mhz, i need something about 200 words
[08:28] <mhz> 2 to 4 paragraphs
[08:28] <mhz> (about 150 words)
[08:28] <juliux> yes thats ok
[08:28] <mhz> juliux: but I wont be able to trasnlate it into englih until thursday (maybe)
[08:29] <juliux> mhz, it has time
[08:29] <juliux> mhz, i need it until 31.1 is that ok for you?
[08:33] <mhz> yup
[08:33] <juliux> thanks mhz 
[08:33] <mhz> count on that
[08:33] <mhz> w
[08:33] <mhz> yw
[08:34] <mhz> but please remind me to it on thurdsay
[08:34] <juliux> mhz, ok
[09:10] <signifer123> Hello
[09:10] <juliux> hi signifer123 
[09:10] <signifer123> hey man...
[09:11] <signifer123> UTC is GMT -?
[09:11] <juliux> signifer123, puh
[09:11] <juliux> signifer123, check date -utc
[09:12] <ogra> rather date -u :)
[09:13] <signifer123> k
[09:13] <signifer123> thx
[09:13] <signifer123> ehen the next meeting?
[09:14] <ogra> edubuntu meeting is at 12:00 UTC every wednesday
[09:14] <ogra> unless the topic in this channel tells something different
[09:15] <signifer123> ok
[09:16] <signifer123> you guys hold logs?
[09:17] <lucasvo> signifer123: yes
[09:17] <lucasvo> fabbione does
[09:17] <lucasvo> ns1.dynamic-net.ch      [62.67.58.76] 
[09:17] <lucasvo> ns2.dynamic-net.ch      [81.3.18.135] 
[09:17] <lucasvo> ups
[09:17] <lucasvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/
[09:17] <lucasvo> see #ubuntu-meeting topic
[09:18] <signifer123> k thanks
[09:18] <lucasvo> the  "middlemouse button" and the normal copy/paste buffer is strange
[09:18] <lucasvo> one should put them together
[09:21] <signifer123> sorry if you guys jsut didn't feel about answering before i just guess you wern't paying attemtion, but how do you feel about the use of RealBasic to make applications for edubuntu?
[09:22] <lucasvo> signifer123: atm the edubuntu team isn't making any apps
[09:22] <lucasvo> they just put them together
[09:22] <ogra_> realbasic is nothing we could ship, there is no free implementation 
[09:22] <lucasvo> I would prefer python
[09:22] <ogra_> we couldnt ship the interpreter, so we cant build packages ...
[09:23] <signifer123> welli ment for me to make apps with?
[09:23] <signifer123> because currently i jsut use it for windows
[09:23] <lucasvo> signifer123: I would suggest you use python because it is 100% GPL
[09:23] <lucasvo> ogra_: put your cigarette out of your mouth 
[09:23] <ogra_> if you get an interpreter for linux and are able to install it, why not ...
[09:24] <lucasvo> ;-)
[09:24] <signifer123> well the thing is it doesn't need an interpretter..iwas jsut wondering if this was founed upon like vb is in the windows world
[09:24] <signifer123> sincei  feel it runs faster :-p
[09:24] <ogra_> if you want to produce something we can put into the distro and deliver to people, then lucasvo is right , python, C or C++ are preferred
[09:25] <signifer123> ok.
[09:25] <signifer123> that include glade?
[09:25] <lucasvo> yes
[09:25] <signifer123> glade is accepted or not?
[09:25] <ogra_> yup, it is
[09:26] <signifer123> ok.
[09:26] <lucasvo> glade is used in a lot of ubuntu apps
[09:26] <ogra_> half of the desktop :)
[09:26] <signifer123> ohh wow...
[09:26] <signifer123> didn't expect that...
[09:27] <signifer123> how about java?
[09:28] <signifer123> that acceptable like c++/c/python?
[09:28] <ogra_> if your app runs with the free gcj compiler, then its fine
[09:28] <signifer123> ok
[09:28] <ogra_> i.e. eclipse is something we can support, it runs with gcj, freemind doesnt ...
[09:29] <ogra_> ... so freemind isnt packaged
[09:30] <signifer123> ok
[09:34] <signifer123> so pretty much if it runs nativly then you support it, or no?
[09:34] <signifer123> lol
[09:36] <ogra> nope, if the libs, interpreters or compilers are available, we ship it
[09:36] <signifer123> o ok
[09:36] <signifer123> kinda...
[09:37] <signifer123> the compiler has to be free too?
[09:38] <ogra> the problem is that our build system only accepts source uploads, so the packages must be compilable with the pieces we have on board
[09:38] <ogra> not strictly
[09:38] <ogra> we have some java apps that we ship in multiverse for example ...
[09:39] <ogra> but they will always have to stay in multiverse ... 
[09:40] <signifer123> ok becuase i'm jsut shooting at making an app in realbasic...it runs as long as the host computer has glibc-2.3, is that ok?
[09:40] <signifer123> so that owudl be a multiverse?
[09:40] <signifer123> would*
[09:42] <ogra> nope
[09:42] <ogra> as i said above, we cant do binary uploads
[09:42] <signifer123> yeah...:-p
[09:42] <signifer123> need to remember that...
[09:42] <ogra> if we upload the source, we have no realbasic interpreter
[09:42] <ogra> so the package cant be built
[09:43] <signifer123> ok
[09:43] <signifer123> well thanks for clearing that up even though i'm quite dense
[09:44] <ogra> nah, you arent :)
[09:45] <signifer123> ohh aone more thing
[09:45] <signifer123> one*
[09:45] <signifer123> sorry...
[09:46] <signifer123> i remember a edubuntu video thing where a guy was making video showing how to do stuff in edubuntu
[09:46] <signifer123> how do i get in on that?
[09:46] <signifer123> or is that individual
[09:46] <ogra> you mean you want to make a video ? 
[09:46] <ogra> i'm not aware of such a project...
[09:47] <signifer123> it wasn't a project
[09:47] <signifer123> i beleive it was on the mailing list
[09:47] <signifer123> or in the forum
[09:47] <ogra> but you can install istanbul and take desktop videos 
[09:47] <ogra> its pretty easy
[09:48] <signifer123> ok
[09:48] <signifer123> thanks
[09:48] <signifer123> i'll probably be back to bug you later :-p
[09:49] <ogra> just go on, thats what this channel is for ;)
[09:51] <jair> ogra, Thank you very much for all the help, I will be probably helping with the translation to Spanish in the schooltool project :)
[09:51] <ogra> cool :)
[09:59] <signifer123> does edubuntu have nything like algebrator?
[10:15] <signifer123> none?
[10:21] <signifer123> lol
[10:21] <signifer123> anyone here play with glade?