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| keherman | hey guys, seems like the blackbox package is broken | 12:34 |
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| keherman | get dpkg error when installing, so i could file a bug -- but not sure if you guys have seen it | 12:35 |
| Burgwork | keherman, please file a bug on it | 12:35 |
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| crimsun | nothing on malone for that source | 12:36 |
| keherman | Burgwork, bug #29503, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/29503, "Blackbox fails to install if Fluxbox is also installed due to shared /usr/bin/bsetroot" | 12:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29503: "Blackbox fails to install if Fluxbox is also installed due to shared /usr/bin/bsetroot" Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 12:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29503: "Blackbox fails to install if Fluxbox is also installed due to shared /usr/bin/bsetroot" Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/29503 | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | keherman, thanks | 12:53 |
| keherman | :-) | 12:54 |
| Kamion | bug #29502 is a duplicate of that, right? | 12:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29502: "Blackbox fails to install if Fluxbox is also installed due to shared /usr/bin/bsetroot" Fix req. for: blackbox (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/29502 | 12:57 |
| === Kamion marks it thus | ||
| Burgwork | Kamion, I thought that LP bug about duplicating bugs had been squashed | 12:58 |
| Kamion | ? ECONTEXT | 12:58 |
| keherman | Burgwork, when i entered the bug into bugzilla, launchpad produced an error | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | Kamion, sometimes LP doubles up bugs like that, likely due to the reporter clicking enter twice | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | Kamion, I reported it and thought it was fixed | 12:59 |
| Kamion | Burgwork: the text was sufficiently different that that didn't seem to be the case | 12:59 |
| keherman | Burgwork, i clicked the BACK button to retry -- but there was definitely an error | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | Kamion, ah | 12:59 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: kubuntu live CD looking nice | 01:54 |
| keherman | Can some dev tell me how to locate where "Sound an audible bell" is being stored for the sound settings? Is there some source I can grep somewhere which would have this info? | 01:55 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Mon Jan 16 17:04:02 2006 | ||
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| mjg59 | Ngh. | 02:57 |
| mjg59 | Is anyone able to explain the libpam-runtime conffile handling to me? | 02:57 |
| psusi | ohhh snap... the new thunderbird 1.5 in dapper just exited with no error message when I tried to reply to a message | 02:59 |
| psusi | didn't even get a bug buddy or anything | 03:00 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Around? | 03:02 |
| BenC | mjg59: vaguely | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Was the /etc/pam.d/common-* stuff after you were involved? | 03:04 |
| BenC | yeah, way after me | 03:04 |
| mjg59 | Right, I probably need to find Sam, then | 03:05 |
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| mjg59 | Sorted | 03:29 |
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| AlinuxOS | hello, someone knows... what package generates /usr/share/applications with files with *.desktop sufix ? I need to translate some things... | 03:29 |
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| LaserJock | AlinuxOS: the .desktop files are created by the packages they are for | 03:56 |
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| mjg59 | I've uploaded hal, dbus, pam and libpam-foreground | 04:19 |
| mjg59 | If people install all of those, then gnome-power-manager should work | 04:19 |
| psusi | mjg59, hey... hal-set-property is _supposed_ to work from inside a callout isn't it? | 04:19 |
| mjg59 | I've no idea, I'm afraid | 04:20 |
| psusi | blast... | 04:20 |
| mjg59 | But the privilege separation code is in now | 04:20 |
| mjg59 | So you can get stuff run as root | 04:20 |
| psusi | I could do that with suid before ;) | 04:20 |
| ogra | mjg59, will test tomorrow, it seems the packages arent in the archive yet ... | 04:20 |
| psusi | problem is hal-set-property can't seem to connect to hal from inside the callout | 04:20 |
| psusi | if I fork it in a background pipeline, it works, but it has to be done within the script or other fdi policies can't match on the properties it sets ( since it checks them before they are ever set ) | 04:21 |
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| mjg59 | ogra: I've been uploading stuff over the past couple of hours. It should all hit soon. | 04:24 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Works fine here now, in any case | 04:24 |
| ogra | yes, but its 4:30 and i should get some sleep :) | 04:24 |
| ogra | GF looks unhappy :) | 04:24 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 04:24 |
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| wasabi__ | Don't suppose there is a nice gnome pptp config utiolity available yet? | 04:52 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:16 |
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| ulaas | hi. is X still broken or it is me? | 08:46 |
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| mdke | ulaas, it's you | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | ulaas: what's the problem you see? | 08:53 |
| ulaas | mdke: you are direct :) | 08:53 |
| ulaas | Mithrandir:give me a sec | 08:53 |
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| fabbione | who is supposed to make a new enigmail for new thunderbird? | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: infty, I guess | 08:55 |
| fabbione | ok | 08:56 |
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| ulaas | Mithrandir: it is like it was before. somethig like xauth -notcp -blah blah blah could not execute command..... i think i need to reinstall x. how do i apt-do it? | 08:57 |
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| Mithrandir | ulaas: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed? | 08:58 |
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| ulaas | Mithrandir: hmm no. and i dont know why not. | 08:58 |
| Mithrandir | ulaas: install that (and by extension, x-window-system-core) and you should be fine. | 08:59 |
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| ulaas | Mithrandir: already getting. thanx. will there be any other transtions on x? | 09:00 |
| Mithrandir | ulaas: I hope not. | 09:00 |
| pitti | Good morning | 09:00 |
| ajmitch_ | morning pitti | 09:00 |
| ulaas | Mithrandir: well. if it is for dapper. i would love a thousand more ;) | 09:00 |
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| poningru | will firefox 1.5.0.1 make it into dapper? | 09:17 |
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| pitti | mjg59: meh, the scripts were already installed into /usr/lib/hal, and we don't want them all; but I agree that share is better, I'll fix that | 09:25 |
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| janimo | dholbach, ping | 09:31 |
| dholbach | janimo: pong | 09:31 |
| janimo | hey, is putting tango-icon theme pkgconfig file is usr/share intended? | 09:31 |
| janimo | others are in usr/lib | 09:31 |
| dholbach | oh it is? | 09:32 |
| janimo | gnome-icon-theme puts it there too so there may be a reason | 09:32 |
| janimo | usr/share/pkgconfig and usr/lib/pkgconfig | 09:32 |
| janimo | maybe icon themes should be there since they are not libs? | 09:32 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: is any stuff supposed to be in /usr/share/pkgconfig? | 09:33 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: arch:all packages with .pc files should stuff them there. | 09:34 |
| dholbach | Ah cool. | 09:34 |
| janimo | aha :) | 09:34 |
| dholbach | Thanks | 09:34 |
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| Mithrandir | np | 09:34 |
| pitti | Kamion: Good morning! could you already take a look at the alsa-utils changelog? | 09:41 |
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| pitti | meh, why has the sftp:// semantics of bzr changed *again*? | 09:46 |
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| Kinnison | pitti: They've been made sane, instead of correct | 09:51 |
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| pitti | Kinnison: how can I specify a directory relative to ~ now? | 10:00 |
| pitti | and sftp://host//absolute/dir wasn't so insane IMHO *sigh* | 10:00 |
| Kinnison | I *think* it's sftp://hostname/~/blah | 10:01 |
| Kinnison | sftp://hostname/absolute/dir makes more sense to me | 10:01 |
| Kinnison | the need for a double-slash broke too many people's brains | 10:01 |
| pitti | well, it's not what I'm used to with ssh | 10:01 |
| pitti | hm, maybe | 10:01 |
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| Kinnison | pitti: I assume you mean scp, and that uses : as the host/path separator | 10:02 |
| Kinnison | pitti: so it's hardly a fair comparison | 10:02 |
| Kinnison | hostname:relative/path hostname:/absolute/path is much easier to understand than hostname/relative/path and hostname//absolute/path | 10:03 |
| mdke | Mithrandir, did ubuntu-docs fail to build? It hasn't hit breezy yet | 10:04 |
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| pitti | Kinnison: hm, maybe bzr should use the colon then :) | 10:05 |
| Mithrandir | mdke: doesn't seem to have been tried at all yet. | 10:05 |
| Kinnison | pitti: It's not a URL in that form | 10:05 |
| Kinnison | pitti: Or at least, not one that people would recognise | 10:05 |
| Kamion | Kinnison: er, have they been changed again after 0.7? because I thought 0.7 used //absolute | 10:05 |
| Kinnison | pitti: I think it's bad that we switched twice, I think we should never have switched to //absolute | 10:06 |
| Kinnison | Kamion: Not sure | 10:06 |
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| Kinnison | Kamion: I use my branch of mainline most of the time so I don't know when the switches were | 10:06 |
| Kamion | also surely //absolute could still be supported ... | 10:06 |
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| === Kamion is utterly reliant on sftp URLs | ||
| === Kinnison uses rsync nearly all the time | ||
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| mdke | Mithrandir, maybe it needs to be pushed through by Kamion/mdz? | 10:07 |
| Kamion | mdke: yes, breezy-updates requires manual approval | 10:08 |
| Kamion | pitti: ok, give me a moment | 10:08 |
| mdke | Kamion, do you have time to look at ubuntu-docs as uploaded by Mithrandir yesterday? It should have fixed all the problems with edubuntu-artwork | 10:11 |
| Kamion | mdke: I'll do it today, yes | 10:13 |
| mdke | Kamion, yay, thanks | 10:13 |
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| dholbach | Hey seb128! | 10:19 |
| seb128 | hi dholbach | 10:19 |
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| pitti | Hi mdz | 10:24 |
| mdz | morning | 10:24 |
| pitti | mdz: how is London? :) | 10:24 |
| mdz | miserable | 10:24 |
| mdz | it's very cold and my mail is fucked | 10:24 |
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| pitti | uh | 10:24 |
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| Kamion | mdke: um, so, is 5.10-7 dead now? | 10:25 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-docs 5.10-6.1 seems to be the thing to actually review | 10:25 |
| dholbach | seems London is around +20C warmer than Berlin | 10:26 |
| mdke | Kamion, is that my upload from december? that should be killed yeah | 10:26 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: 5.10-6.1 uploaded by me yesterday is the right one. | 10:26 |
| Kamion | dunno how to reject from -updates | 10:26 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: there's a duplicate Conflicts field in ubuntu-docs | 10:26 |
| Kamion | Conflicts: ubuntu-quickguide (<< 5.10), ubuntu-faqguide | 10:26 |
| Kamion | +Conflicts: kubuntu-docs (<< 5.10-0.6.1), edubuntu-artwork (<< 0.1.0-9.1) | 10:26 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: what upgrade combinations have you tested? | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I've tested breezy only. | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | I'm unsure how that managed to pass. :-/ | 10:29 |
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| Kamion | dpkg probably picked the second Conflicts field, I guess | 10:29 |
| Kamion | I don't think it's clever enough to merge them, but ICBW | 10:30 |
| fabbione | hey mdz | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I can fix that easily enough. | 10:31 |
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| seb128 | hi mdz | 10:34 |
| mdz | morning fabbione, seb128 | 10:34 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: I can't help feeling that kubuntu-docs and edubuntu-artwork ought to use different priorities for the firefox-homepage alternative, but OTOH I can't see a good way to decide which should be higher | 10:43 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: otherwise, it all looks right to me | 10:44 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: apart from the duplicated Conflicts field. | 10:44 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: so if you give me an ubuntu-docs 5.10-6.2 with that Conflicts bug fixed, I'll approve it | 10:44 |
| Mithrandir | will do | 10:44 |
| Kamion | mdz: in lieu of the ability to reject, can you make sure to refrain from processing the obsolete ubuntu-docs 5.10-7? | 10:46 |
| mdz | yep, I don't intend to be doing any archive processing this week in fact | 10:46 |
| Kamion | thought not somehow | 10:46 |
| mdz | we're on the same time zone anyway | 10:46 |
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| Kamion | mdke, Mithrandir: ok, all approved | 11:12 |
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| fabbione | doko: ping? | 11:30 |
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| mvo | mdz: has gdebi (direct deb installer) a exception for UVF because it is part of the ThirdPartyPackages spec? or will I have to ask for approval? | 11:31 |
| pitti | ogra: do you care about moodle? | 11:32 |
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| mdz | mvo: it has an exception because upstream is following our release schedule ;-) | 11:47 |
| tepsipakki | kamion: have you had time to look at #28462 yet? | 11:47 |
| Kamion | tepsipakki: hm, no, sorry | 11:49 |
| Kamion | tepsipakki: it does look like it must be a problem with your mirror though; have you tried the same thing with archive.ubuntu.com rather than ubuntu.hut.fi? | 11:50 |
| Kamion | I can't seem to get to ubuntu.hut.fi from here to have a look | 11:50 |
| tepsipakki | no I haven't | 11:50 |
| tepsipakki | true | 11:50 |
| tepsipakki | it's mirrored with apt-mirror | 11:50 |
| Kamion | that said - is it actually managing to install anything from universe? I looked down the list logged by pkgsel and couldn't see anything non-main there | 11:51 |
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| Kamion | archive.ubuntu.com might be worth a try anyway, just to eliminate mirror problems from consideration | 11:52 |
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| mvo | mdz: isn't it great to have upstreams who follow our cycle ;) thanks! | 11:53 |
| Kamion | because it does seem to have added universe to sources.list, which is the only plausible point where that could fail | 11:53 |
| tepsipakki | kamion: well, those "no candidate version found" indicates that it doesn't find them? dlocate, for example is in universe | 11:53 |
| Kamion | tepsipakki: right, but that could easily be because the universe Packages file is broken | 11:54 |
| Kamion | e.g. empty | 11:54 |
| tepsipakki | the mirror works fine after d-i | 11:54 |
| Kamion | uh | 11:54 |
| tepsipakki | well, I'll just try a.u.c to be sure ;) | 11:54 |
| Kamion | oh, give me a second, an idea | 11:54 |
| Kamion | is this a CD install? | 11:54 |
| tepsipakki | no, netboot | 11:55 |
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| Kamion | I bet the CD install handling in apt-setup-udeb.postinst is misfiring | 11:55 |
| Kamion | yeah, must be | 11:56 |
| Kamion | ok, I can fix that | 11:56 |
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| Kamion | tepsipakki: should be fixed in apt-setup 0.4ubuntu6; thanks for the nudge | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | great, thanks! | 12:02 |
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| pitti | Kamion: thanks for the alsa review | 12:20 |
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| mjg59 | pitti: I've uploaded - they didn't seem to be in /usr/lib | 12:36 |
| pitti | mjg59: nevermind, I cleaned it up now | 12:38 |
| pitti | mjg59: does the new hal now do what it should for power management? | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Oh, cool. Yes. | 12:39 |
| pitti | mjg59: I tested it with the mount interface, and that worked fine | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | dbus has been fixed, pam has been fixed, g-p-m has been fixed | 12:39 |
| pitti | but I disabled that because it's horribly flawed | 12:39 |
| pitti | yay | 12:39 |
| pitti | mjg59: I'll take another look at pam_fg today and approve the report | 12:39 |
| pitti | thanks for fixing the bugs | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | Sure | 12:40 |
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| ogra | pitti, yes, i care for moodle, whats up with it ? | 12:45 |
| pitti | ogra: /msg | 12:46 |
| mjg59 | Anyway, as of now g-p-m, pam, libpam-foreground, dbus and hal, everthing works | 12:47 |
| pitti | mjg59: rock :) | 12:47 |
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| pitti | Kamion: can you please sync mydns? (security update) | 01:09 |
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| janimo | mjg59, dbus ftbfs | 01:13 |
| janimo | previous version was broken too (ubuntu7) | 01:14 |
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| mjg59 | JaneW: Probably not my problem, then | 01:25 |
| mjg59 | NGH IRSSI HATE | 01:25 |
| mjg59 | Oh, it might be my fault | 01:27 |
| mjg59 | I'll fix it later | 01:27 |
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| JaneW | mjg59: huh? | 01:29 |
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| mjg59 | JaneW: Sorry, misdirected | 01:30 |
| pitti | :x | 01:31 |
| StevenK | Hence the irssi hate .... | 01:31 |
| pitti | whoops, ECHAN | 01:31 |
| JaneW | oic, np | 01:36 |
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| ogra | mjg59, its your problem :) it fails applying the console patch ... | 01:39 |
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| mvo | Kamion: ping | 02:10 |
| mvo | Kamion: ok for me to do a ubuntu-meta upload now? including your grub,espresso-grub change? | 02:11 |
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| xulin | hi | 02:27 |
| xulin | there is an imporant missing package in alsa .. | 02:27 |
| Kamion | pitti: syncs -> elmo please | 02:27 |
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| pitti | ok | 02:27 |
| Kamion | mvo: yes | 02:28 |
| pitti | xulin: which? | 02:28 |
| stratus | mvo, gdebi 0.1.4 uploaded. | 02:28 |
| xulin | pitti, alsa plugins .. | 02:28 |
| xulin | in 1.0.9 version they make a seperate .tgz in alsa projet for plugins | 02:29 |
| pitti | xulin: it's in universe already | 02:30 |
| pitti | alsa-plugins | 1.0.10-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources | 02:30 |
| xulin | pitti, ah .. great :s .. sorry i don't find it in http://packages.ubuntu.com/ :/ | 02:31 |
| pitti | hm, that could be out of date | 02:31 |
| xulin | non .. it okay packages is .. libasound .. | 02:32 |
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| xulin | libasound2-plugins | 02:32 |
| xulin | when i clic : /dapper/universe/libs/libasound2-plugins was not found on this server. | 02:33 |
| xulin | strange :] | 02:33 |
| xulin | libasound2-plugins is present in warty .. hoary .. but nothing in breezy and dapper :/ | 02:34 |
| Kamion | it's not in breezy, but: | 02:35 |
| Kamion | libasound2-plugins | 1.0.10-1 | dapper/universe | amd64, hppa, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 02:35 |
| Kamion | I believe packages.ubuntu.com is having problems at the moment | 02:35 |
| Kamion | oh, and | 02:35 |
| Kamion | libasound2-plugins | 1.0.9-2 | dapper/universe | i386 | 02:35 |
| pitti | hm, ftbfs then? | 02:35 |
| xulin | Kamion, ah ok .. if it's present in dapper it's ok :) .. | 02:36 |
| xulin | need to go | 02:36 |
| pitti | although I see amd64 packages here | 02:36 |
| xulin | bye | 02:36 |
| Kamion | pitti: alsa-lib FTBFS on i386 | 02:37 |
| Kamion | dpkg-shlibdeps -Tdebian/lib64asound2.substvars debian/lib64asound2/usr/lib64/libasound.so.2.0.0 | 02:37 |
| Kamion | /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file | 02:37 |
| Kamion | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/lib64asound2/usr/lib64/libasound.so.2.0.0' gave error exit status 1 | 02:37 |
| Kamion | check how other biarch libraries do that, I guess | 02:37 |
| pitti | 'k, I'll check that | 02:37 |
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| mvo | stratus: thanks, did you merged the latest stuff too? | 02:50 |
| stratus | mvo, i did the upload yesterday and our trees were in sync, so i guess yes | 02:51 |
| stratus | mvo, i even applied one or two minor fixes, please sync. | 02:51 |
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| stratus | mvo, oh no, the fcntl stuff and some others aren't in 0.1.4 upload | 02:52 |
| stratus | mvo, merging conflicts... | 02:54 |
| mvo | stratus: no problem :) I should have informed you, sorry | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | hi all | 02:56 |
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| stratus | mvo, np if you think it's urgent (but it seems to be minor) i can upload 0.1.5 tonight | 02:58 |
| stratus | mvo, merge now, please. | 02:58 |
| stratus | mvo, can you check if you can reproduce that bug installing gizmo-project package? It's still unreproducible (to me) with 0.1.4. | 03:00 |
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| zul | morning | 03:10 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: when new libnotify hits NEW please accept/promote it, somebody broke libnotify0 by shipping a new soname without changing the binary package, that's fixed now but apps will not start until they are rebuilt against the new one | 03:30 |
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| \sh | doko__: pingeling :) are you writing an UVF exception report for https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/29552 ? | 03:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29552: "Include vnc4server for amd64 in dapper. Source deb inside" Fix req. for: vnc (Ubuntu), Severity: Major, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: that is total crack, or at least was it last time I looked at the source | 03:35 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: that's why I asked doko :) regarding the comment mentioning his nick :) | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | ok... this is quite depressing; my laptop display is flickering on console | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | if it breaks just before the sprint, I'm going to be grumpy | 03:35 |
| Kamion | judging from that diff.gz there's still a complete copy of X inside | 03:36 |
| \sh | is tightvncserver not enough? | 03:37 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: wow, the live CD is actually acceptably quick to boot in qemu now | 03:37 |
| \sh | I remember the breezy times, when I tried to fix vnc4 to work with gcc-4..and it bitched around a lot | 03:37 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: scary. | 03:37 |
| Kamion | takes a while for GNOME to come up, but it gets to X comparably quickly to a real system | 03:38 |
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| Mithrandir | I assume that's from an ISO image on disk? | 03:39 |
| Kamion | yeah | 03:39 |
| Kamion | ok, yeah, I suppose that's cheating a bit | 03:40 |
| Mithrandir | that gives you approximately zero seek time, but I still find it good. | 03:40 |
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| dreamind | Hi folks :) | 03:49 |
| dreamind | can anybody tell me if there is a version of the avm isdn drivers for ubuntu which might be compatible with make-kpkg for debian? | 03:49 |
| dreamind | because I'm currently building a package of avm's fritz drivers for debian. | 03:50 |
| dreamind | and I want not to reinvent the wheel | 03:50 |
| Mithrandir | dreamind: they're already in linux-restricted-modules in Ubuntu | 03:50 |
| Kamion | ah, hmm, let's try 512MB of memory instead of 128MB, that might help GNOME somewhat | 03:50 |
| dreamind | Mithrandir: yes I know this, but is it compatible to make-kpkg? | 03:51 |
| dreamind | and I don't see the source of that somewhere... | 03:51 |
| Kamion | source package name is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 | 03:51 |
| Kamion | in the restricted component, not main | 03:51 |
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| Mithrandir | dreamind: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restric | 03:51 |
| Kamion | it's not exactly in the form you'd need for a Debian module source package, I don't think | 03:51 |
| Menoz | hi all! I have a problem with remastering! Can someone help me? | 03:52 |
| Menoz | :) | 03:52 |
| dreamind | Kamion: ok, then I'll finish my started work, but I'll have a look at them | 03:52 |
| Kamion | Menoz: what's your problem? | 03:52 |
| Menoz | thanks Kamion! | 03:53 |
| Menoz | i'm trying to add/remove some package from install cd | 03:53 |
| Kamion | (I didn't say I could help) | 03:53 |
| Menoz | :) | 03:53 |
| Menoz | but | 03:53 |
| Kamion | have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo? | 03:54 |
| Menoz | i've seen that, when I create the file Packages | 03:54 |
| Menoz | yep | 03:54 |
| Menoz | but, and also waikato guide :) | 03:54 |
| Menoz | but my problem remains | 03:55 |
| Menoz | and it is: | 03:55 |
| Menoz | when I create the Package file | 03:55 |
| Menoz | it is significantly smaller than the original one! | 03:55 |
| Kamion | well that would kind of depend on how you're creating it | 03:56 |
| Menoz | (obviuously, with the same packages installed) | 03:56 |
| Menoz | I've seen thatr | 03:56 |
| Menoz | the Pa] ckages file I create | 03:56 |
| Kamion | you should use diff between the old and the new versions to see what's missing | 03:56 |
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| Menoz | yep, I've done it | 03:56 |
| Menoz | and I've seen | 03:56 |
| Menoz | that | 03:57 |
| Menoz | every package | 03:57 |
| Kamion | could you please hit enter slightly less often? thank you. | 03:57 |
| Kamion | you're filling up an awful lot of vertical scrollback. | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 03:57 |
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| Menoz | (pardon) hasn't the lines starting with "Origin:" and "Task:" | 03:58 |
| Kamion | Origin's unimportant, Task is trickier | 03:59 |
| Kamion | hm, to be perfectly honest I'd be inclined to approach this by editing the old Packages file in a text editor | 04:00 |
| Menoz | hum | 04:00 |
| Kamion | failing that you'd need to generate an ExtraOverride file and put it in your apt-ftparchive configuration | 04:01 |
| Kamion | the file looks a bit like this: | 04:01 |
| Kamion | adduser Task ubuntu-minimal | 04:01 |
| Kamion | alacarte Task ubuntu-desktop | 04:01 |
| Kamion | alien Task ubuntu-ship | 04:01 |
| Kamion | should be possible to generate it from the original Packages file | 04:01 |
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| Kamion | in breezy you'll need Archive-Copier-Set headers too | 04:02 |
| Menoz | well, I found this link: http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/indices/ ; could it be useful? | 04:02 |
| Kamion | no, cdimage regenerates all those on the fly | 04:02 |
| Menoz | ok. So, do you know how can I generate this file? | 04:02 |
| Kamion | I don't have a script to do it for you, no | 04:02 |
| Kamion | I would have to write it, but other less busy people could probably do that too :) | 04:03 |
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| jp_ | im having an issue when m trying to get dapper on an amd 64 box I got the installer couldn't fin a kernel for the box what's that? | 04:04 |
| jp_ | thanks" | 04:04 |
| Menoz | ah, I tought there was a program that do this automagically :) | 04:04 |
| neuralis | jp_: please ask on #ubuntu; this channel is for development only. | 04:04 |
| Kamion | Menoz: the CD image generator does it automatically, but it's not at all easy to set up, and it generates images from scratch rather than customising existing ones | 04:04 |
| Menoz | cd image generator | 04:05 |
| Menoz | ? | 04:05 |
| Kamion | you don't want it | 04:05 |
| Kamion | the code we use to generate images in the first place | 04:05 |
| mdz | what Kamion is saying is that we don't have a convenient script to do what you want, but it certainly would be nice if someone contributed one | 04:06 |
| mdz | it should be a very approachable project | 04:06 |
| Kamion | another useful project would be to make debian-cd put its generated override files onto the CD image so that that script would be unnecessary | 04:06 |
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| mdz | there would still be call for an "i've added/removed/changed some packages on the CD, fix everything up" script regardless | 04:07 |
| Kamion | yeah | 04:08 |
| Menoz | ok, but this problem is solvable in another way, because someone has customized ubuntu :) | 04:08 |
| Kamion | it would make the task more approachable though | 04:08 |
| mdz | Menoz: oh? it seems entirely possible that they simply wrote the script | 04:08 |
| Kamion | or just did the last few steps by hand ... | 04:08 |
| Kamion | hmm, I think Archive-Copier-Set can go away now in dapper | 04:09 |
| slomo | mdz: hi... do you have any objections against an UVF exception for avahi 0.6.5? it's almost a plain bugfix release but nothing too important was fixed... changelog is here: http://avahi.org/milestone/Avahi.6.5 | 04:09 |
| Menoz | ok, thanks. However, a bash script that does this job isn't toot difficoult to write down | 04:10 |
| Kamion | Menoz: feel free :-) I suggest documenting the process on InstallCDCustomizationHowTo for the next person | 04:10 |
| Menoz | ok, good | 04:10 |
| Menoz | thanks!!!!!!!!!!!! | 04:11 |
| mdz | np | 04:11 |
| Menoz | sorry: what is the format of this file? (centericq won't let me scroll up ) | 04:12 |
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| Kamion | <package> <field name> <field contents> | 04:13 |
| Kamion | same format as http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/indices/override.breezy.extra.main, but different contents | 04:14 |
| Menoz | ok, thanks | 04:14 |
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| mdz | slomo: no, I don't | 04:19 |
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| slomo | mdz: ok, thanks... i'll prepare a upload later :) | 04:20 |
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| Kamion | ok, Archive-Copier-Set cruft dropped for dapper now | 04:24 |
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| BenC | what good is the suspend option in gnome when it logs you out | 04:37 |
| BenC | is that supposed to happen? | 04:37 |
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| Keybuk | BenC: ogra removed the binary that it uses I think | 04:49 |
| ogra | nope | 04:49 |
| BenC | is that the gdm-signal thing? | 04:49 |
| ogra | i did remove the gdm-signal call from g-p-m, i didnt touch gnome-session | 04:49 |
| ogra | (since g-p-m uses hal for root tasks now) | 04:50 |
| pitti | Hey Keybuk, how are you? | 04:50 |
| Keybuk | hmm, I mis-interpreted your changes then :) | 04:50 |
| Keybuk | I read it as you removed gdm-signal itself | 04:50 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: I'm good :) | 04:50 |
| ogra | Keybuk, yes, from the g-p-m code | 04:50 |
| ogra | (i didnt upload gnome-session or gdm recently :) ) | 04:50 |
| BenC | I haven't tested this in a long time, so it's probably not recent | 04:51 |
| BenC | just odd that it does a logout before it actually does suspend-to-ram | 04:51 |
| BenC | I usually just close the lid, so never noticed | 04:51 |
| Treenaks | BenC: when will the next kernel upload be? (/me misses music from his mac mini :)) | 04:51 |
| ogra | hmm, is the libnotify 0.3.X protocol documented anywhere ? seem the old (pre 0.3) spec is completely obsolete | 04:52 |
| BenC | Treenaks: today | 04:52 |
| Treenaks | BenC: cool! | 04:52 |
| ogra | i cant convince my popup message to use an icon :/ | 04:53 |
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| verwilst | hellow! | 04:57 |
| verwilst | i seem to have found some bugs, but not sure to which package to link it to.. | 04:58 |
| verwilst | everytime i reboot, /var/run/clamav, /var/run/avast4 are gone so the daemons don't start | 04:58 |
| verwilst | and /var/run/mysql has wrong permissions then ( it needs an additional o+rx ) | 04:59 |
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| ogra | verwilst, please file bugs for the apps that misbehave | 04:59 |
| verwilst | ogra: well yeah, but maybe it's a cleaning script that misbehaves? ;) | 05:00 |
| Mithrandir | verwilst: file bugs on the packages. /var/run is now a tmpfs. | 05:01 |
| kent | verwilst: there is some bugs regarding the /var/run/* problems in malone already for some services like mysql etc. Go look and perhaps add a comment. | 05:01 |
| verwilst | ooh | 05:01 |
| verwilst | cool | 05:01 |
| verwilst | okido | 05:01 |
| verwilst | thanks! | 05:01 |
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| jsgotangco | good night | 05:24 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all! | 05:25 |
| ogra | hey scottie | 05:25 |
| sbalneav | Hey ogra! | 05:25 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 05:28 |
| siretart | why is /var/run now tempfs anyway? what advantage does this bring? so far, I see quite a lot of breakage.. | 05:32 |
| Keybuk | basically solves huge numbers of race conditions | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | we need *somewhere* writable early in the boot sequence to store pid files, temporary state files, etc. | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | otherwise we have a chicken-and-egg problem | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | can't-start-udev-until-we-have-var-run | 05:33 |
| Keybuk | can't-check-and-mount-root-filesystem-until-we-start-udev | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | etc. | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | the only bug it introduces is that some packages assume that they have subdirectories in /var/run with certain attributes | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | which, granted, the FHS says they're allowed to do | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | it's trivial to fix though, just a mkdir in the init script | 05:34 |
| siretart | err, could you please point me to some discussion for what udev needs to write into /var/run? | 05:34 |
| Keybuk | siretart: dhcp pid files. network ifstate file. alsa state files. etc,. | 05:35 |
| ogra | there must be irc logs of that discussion | 05:35 |
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| ogra | it happened either here or in -meeting iirc | 05:35 |
| Keybuk | it's happened here, then was agreed in a TB meeting | 05:36 |
| siretart | hm. i see. | 05:36 |
| Kamion | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000048.html | 05:36 |
| siretart | hmhmm. would mounting over a unionfs (udev writes to a tempfs, which is unioned over a non-tempfs /var/run) be a solution? | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | siretart: that's a solution looking for a problem, isn't it? | 05:37 |
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| siretart | thanks for the link | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | it's FAR easier to just add a mkdir call in the few places it's still needed | 05:37 |
| siretart | Keybuk: I'm a bit sceptic about the 'in the few places ... needed' part | 05:37 |
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| Keybuk | siretart: it's easy to find out, just grep the archive for any package with a /var/run/* in it | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | there weren't that many | 05:38 |
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| siretart | Keybuk: will debian use the same approach? can I expect DDs to be happy about such patches? | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | siretart: no idea, ask DDs | 05:39 |
| siretart | Keybuk: I think I'm talking to one right now ;) | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | siretart: most of the packages in -desktop already had such patches from Debian, because people had filed bugs there when they tried the same thing | 05:39 |
| Kamion | I see no reason why Debian developers would have any issue at all with trivial patches to support /var/run on tmpfs | 05:40 |
| Kamion | after all, they'd be no-ops if /var/run isn't on tmpfs | 05:40 |
| siretart | ok. thanks again for the pointer. | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | I've discussed the /var/run-as-tmpfs thing in Debian before, and it was certainly my impression that most people thought Debian *should* support it | 05:40 |
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| seb128 | doko__: is some python sys.path issue known on dapper atm? | 05:46 |
| seb128 | Kamion: did you accept/promote libnotify1? | 05:47 |
| Kamion | seb128: not yet, I've had better things to do today than sit polling helena output | 05:49 |
| Kamion | I'll do it now | 05:49 |
| Kamion | in future it would be much better if you could only ask me to do something once it's actually built and uploaded | 05:49 |
| Kamion | or at least built, since I guess you can't tell whether it's uploaded or not | 05:49 |
| seb128 | Kamion: I asked on IRC 2 hours ago when mvo screwed libnotify0, but no big deal, thank you :) | 05:49 |
| seb128 | oh, sure | 05:50 |
| Kamion | yes, and at that point it wasn't in the queue, nor was it the next time I checked, and then it fell off my stack | 05:50 |
| seb128 | understood, sorry for that | 05:50 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure if stuff points to NEW when they are accepted or built in fact | 05:50 |
| seb128 | that's why I ping after upload usually | 05:50 |
| Kamion | ok, accepted/promoted now | 05:51 |
| seb128 | thank you! | 05:51 |
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| Kamion | it hits NEW if the source package name is new | 05:51 |
| Kamion | (on source upload) | 05:51 |
| Kamion | if not but some binary package names are new, then it hits NEW after the buildds munch it, when they upload the binaries | 05:51 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 05:52 |
| slomo | Kamion: hi, can you either move xine-extracodecs (with all binary packages) to multiverse or libxine-extracodecs back to universe? currently libxine1c2 in universe depends on libxine-extracodecs and is uninstallable because of that... | 05:52 |
| seb128 | and for new source/binary it hits NEW 2 times so? | 05:52 |
| Kamion | accepted mails get sent when source uploads hit queue/accepted (implying either that they didn't go through NEW, or that they've just been NEW-approved) | 05:52 |
| seb128 | ok | 05:53 |
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| seb128 | thanks for the explanations on that :) | 05:53 |
| Kamion | seb128: yes | 05:53 |
| seb128 | doko__: is that known? | 05:53 |
| seb128 | <gicmo> /usr/lib/python2.4/site.py: broken symbolic link to `/etc/python2.4/site.py' | 05:53 |
| seb128 | <gicmo> hmm /etc/phython2.4 is empty | 05:53 |
| seb128 | <gicmo> ii python2.4-minimal 2.4.2-1ubuntu2 A minimal subset of the Python language (version 2.4) | 05:53 |
| Kamion | slomo: would prefer if you asked elmo, I hear rumours he wasn't too happy about me accepting -extracodecs but I didn't get the details so I'd rather steer well clear | 05:54 |
| Mez | is infinity on holiday or something | 05:54 |
| Kamion | Mez: yes | 05:54 |
| Kamion | (the former) | 05:54 |
| slomo | Kamion: ok, i'll send him a mail... is he on vacation or something currently? | 05:54 |
| Mez | Kamion, ah makes all the more sense why I cant get in contact with him | 05:54 |
| Mez | when is he due back | 05:54 |
| Kamion | slomo: perhaps he finds he gets more work done when not on IRC ... a tempting idea actually | 05:55 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: interesting ... does this mean he'll either avoid sharing a conf. room with you in London or will he try out his alternate idea from Montreal and thus you should be worried if he sits in the same room as you? | 05:55 |
| Lathiat | irc really is a suck at ties for getting work done | 05:55 |
| Lathiat | *times | 05:55 |
| Kamion | Mez: just send him mail, I'm sure he'll get to it when he gets back - I prefer not to give out full details of people's "hi, my house is empty" times in public if they haven't done so themselves | 05:56 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: what was his alternate idea? :) | 05:56 |
| Mez | Kamion: I didn't think of it that way :D | 05:56 |
| Mez | Kamion: I believe it was somehting to do with tying people to chairs and forcing them to under the watchful eye of a brothel madam | 05:56 |
| Mez | or something similar | 05:56 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: "I need to find someone people I hate" | 05:57 |
| doko__ | \sh, Mithrandir: vnc4: if it's based on xorg sources, it's less crack, but you can still smoke it ... | 05:57 |
| Kamion | heh | 05:57 |
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| doko__ | seb128: I can't see when /etc/python2.4 should be empty, of course when it's purged, but not earlier ... | 06:00 |
| seb128 | doko: it's happening for 3 person now | 06:00 |
| doko | seb128: new installations? | 06:01 |
| seb128 | no | 06:01 |
| seb128 | daily dist-upgrade for that guy | 06:01 |
| doko | seb128: it's not touch in any way. strange. | 06:04 |
| seb128 | in fact the 2 others guys probably have a different issue | 06:04 |
| seb128 | they have it on the colony 3 CD | 06:04 |
| seb128 | flight 3 I mean | 06:04 |
| doko | live?? | 06:04 |
| seb128 | and pygobject was broken when the CD have been rolled I think | 06:05 |
| seb128 | doko: gicmo has a standard install, gedit was crashing because pygtk not found, we traced that to /etc/python2.4 not beeing here | 06:05 |
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| Diziet | Aaargh, FFS, I don't want sys.exit to raise a bloody exception, I want it to _exit_ dammit ! | 06:34 |
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| Keybuk | heh | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | you know what's really fun | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | when you do something like: | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | try: | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | os.fork() | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | # in child | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | exec() | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | sys.exit(255) | 06:36 |
| Diziet | *snort* | 06:36 |
| Keybuk | because then the sys.exit gets handled by the exception handler OUTSIDE of where you thought the child could exist | 06:37 |
| Diziet | What does that remind you of ? :-) | 06:37 |
| Keybuk | exactly the same bug I once found in dpkg? :p | 06:37 |
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| pef | hello | 06:45 |
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| bddebian | Hello pef | 06:48 |
| pef | heya bddebian :) | 06:48 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: could you give a retry evolution update-notifier builds ? | 06:51 |
| fabbione | doko: ping? | 06:51 |
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| doko | fabbione: pong | 06:59 |
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| fabbione | doko: hey dude... | 07:00 |
| fabbione | doko: in the last bash upload, bash completion on ssh $host<tab> is broken :( | 07:00 |
| Kamion | seb128: evolution's in accepted, nothing to retry | 07:00 |
| fabbione | it stalls on a very long sed | 07:00 |
| fabbione | doko: i also have 2 questions.. any gcc/gcj/ooo2 upload plans within the next 24 hours? | 07:01 |
| Kamion | seb128: and update-notifier's in sync in the archive for everything except hppa/sparc, also nothing to retry | 07:01 |
| fabbione | actually one question... | 07:01 |
| seb128 | Kamion: yeah, it was probably dep-wait and retried itself, thank you | 07:01 |
| fabbione | Kamion: sparc is getting there.. 4 buildds running atm | 07:01 |
| doko | fabbione: uploads: no, bash_completion; ehh, I'll look again, I did want to _fix_ it :-/ | 07:02 |
| fabbione | doko: ok thanks :) | 07:02 |
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| dholbach | elm | 07:02 |
| dholbach | oops | 07:02 |
| bddebian | elmoops? | 07:04 |
| pef | what should I do when a package build-depends on now non longer existent automake1.6 package ? try to build it with automake1.7 1.9 ? | 07:17 |
| bddebian | pef: Yep :-) | 07:18 |
| pef | bddebian: or try to build with automake1.{7,8,9} and set bdepends to automake1.7|automake1.8 and so ? | 07:18 |
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| Treenaks | BenC: Who do I poke for bcm430x breakage? | 07:19 |
| bddebian | pef: I really don't know | 07:19 |
| bddebian | I'm stupid and have forgotten more than I ever knew :-) | 07:19 |
| pef | :^) | 07:19 |
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| pef | bddebian: thanks anyway I think keeping version-depends as lower as possible is the better solution | 07:20 |
| pef | diner | 07:20 |
| vuntz | Kamion: may I query you some words about lmanul for tonight's cc meeting? | 07:23 |
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| janimo | ogra, do you know if g-p-m/hal will be used for reboot shutdown as well besides power management? | 07:25 |
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| pitti | janimo: it can be used for that | 07:25 |
| janimo | yes but will it be used ? :) | 07:26 |
| janimo | I see hal has got the scripts | 07:26 |
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| janimo | it would be nice to have one interface | 07:26 |
| janimo | and make gdm use it too | 07:26 |
| pitti | then you had to dbusify gdm | 07:27 |
| pitti | not worth the trouble IMHO | 07:27 |
| pitti | unless upstream wants to do it | 07:27 |
| Kamion | vuntz: sure | 07:27 |
| janimo | hmm, gdm cannot do suspend ATM right? | 07:27 |
| pitti | janimo: it shuold be able to | 07:27 |
| pitti | janimo: at least the logout dialog can | 07:28 |
| janimo | ah I seem to recall calling pmi directly | 07:28 |
| pitti | yes | 07:28 |
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| janimo | in debian/patches | 07:28 |
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| janimo | pitti, but if it was do do it though hal, then via dbus is the only way right? g-p-m is not there at that point | 07:29 |
| pitti | janimo: right | 07:30 |
| pitti | I have heard some weird hacks to give gdm it's own g-p-m, but that's pretty crazy | 07:30 |
| janimo | is hal supposed to be up at login dialog point | 07:30 |
| pitti | janimo: alternatively gdm could use dbus-send | 07:30 |
| pitti | janimo: yes, it is | 07:30 |
| pitti | but if it fails for some reason, you couldn't shutdown your box | 07:30 |
| pitti | so better not rely on hald if we can avoid it IMHO | 07:31 |
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| janimo | good point | 07:31 |
| Diziet | Can I do this ? | 07:31 |
| Diziet | autodebtest (0.5.1) dapper unstable; urgency=low | 07:31 |
| pitti | I'll go offline during dinner to save some modem costs (I want my main network back, bah) - cu later | 07:32 |
| Kamion | Diziet: more conventional would be to upload to unstable and ask James Troup to sync the package to dapper | 07:32 |
| Diziet | OK, I'll do that. Do I have to wait for my ack from ftp.debian ? | 07:33 |
| Kamion | (I'm not sure whether the above would work or not) | 07:33 |
| Diziet | I was sort of hoping each would ignore the unknown suites, but that did seem rather optimistic ... | 07:33 |
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| Kamion | oh, you'd have to wait until it's NEW-processed in Debian | 07:33 |
| Kamion | we don't sync from non-publicly-visible locations to avoid hat confusion | 07:33 |
| Diziet | Yes. In this case I'm wearing both hats at once. | 07:34 |
| Kamion | hat confusion for James | 07:34 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:34 |
| Diziet | Ah, yes, very sensible. | 07:34 |
| bddebian | Better than gender confusion I suppose :-) | 07:34 |
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| BenC | Treenaks: bcm43xx.berlios.de | 07:40 |
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| dholbach | See you tomorrow - bye! | 07:48 |
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| mdke | my GNOME crashes when I try and logout. I don't see a bug on it, is it known? | 08:30 |
| crimsun | mdke: are you current as of now? | 08:33 |
| crimsun | it should be fixed now | 08:33 |
| mdke | yesterday | 08:33 |
| mdke | crimsun, thanks i'll upgrade | 08:33 |
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| dana2 | has to go today 1 alienware laptop 1 alienware desktop. price 500 each includes shipping and carry case for the laptop or monitor/keyboard/mouse for the desktop. message me if your interested at mcsltd1@hotmail.com, or ogd443 on aim or mcsltd2 on yahoo messenger. these MUST go today! | 08:47 |
| crimsun | quit it. | 08:48 |
| tseng | crimsun: it cant hear you, you need a kline. | 08:48 |
| \sh | for free I would take it..you pay the shipping fees.... | 08:48 |
| \sh | lamont: can you tell me why lablgtk2_2.6.0 only compiled on amd64 but not on i386/ppc? | 08:51 |
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| crimsun | \sh: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova | 08:54 |
| \sh | crimsun: grmpf... | 08:54 |
| \sh | I didn't check the lists...gnarf | 08:55 |
| \sh | crimsun: on what? | 08:55 |
| crimsun | liblablgl-ocaml-dev | 08:55 |
| \sh | should be there... | 08:56 |
| \sh | lamont: could you free lablgtk2_2.6.0 from it's dep-wait? thx :) | 08:56 |
| \sh | actually it's there in my i386 chroot | 08:56 |
| crimsun | well, lablgl ftbfs on [!amd64] | 08:58 |
| crimsun | (http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/lablgl/1.02-1/) | 08:58 |
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| \sh | oh I'm damned...another package to fix before everything else | 09:00 |
| \sh | fck | 09:00 |
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| \sh | ok..fixing "gal"s unmet dep first... | 09:00 |
| lamont | lablgl_1.02-1_20060124-1959-i386-successful.gz | 09:01 |
| \sh | then lablgl | 09:01 |
| lamont | \sh: lablgl stands a very good chance of living now | 09:01 |
| \sh | lamont: don't confuse me now, pls :) | 09:01 |
| crimsun | ah, it just finished | 09:02 |
| lamont | \sh: give lablgl about 20 minutes before you worry about it | 09:02 |
| lamont | or maybe 30 | 09:02 |
| \sh | lamont: but if everything is ok now, and lablgl is installed, please release lablgtk2 from it's dep-wait...whileI | 09:03 |
| \sh | while I'm checking out gal | 09:03 |
| lamont | \sh: once lablgl is really, there, lablgtk2 _WILL_ release from it's dep-wait | 09:03 |
| \sh | lamont: ah good to hear...I thought it needs manual intervention :) | 09:03 |
| ogra | lamont, did you get my give back request for dia ? | 09:03 |
| lamont | the only time I have to actually get involved in releasing a d-w is when the package is dep-waited on something that isn't there (either virtual packages like libgl-dev, or removed packages like lib${foo}3) | 09:04 |
| lamont | ogra:sorry - looking now | 09:04 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 09:04 |
| ogra | i'm not in a hurry :) | 09:05 |
| lamont | dia is main or universe? | 09:05 |
| ogra | main | 09:05 |
| ogra | at least dia-gnome is | 09:05 |
| ogra | which is what i need for edubuntu-desktop | 09:06 |
| \sh | hmmm..this is more strange...libgal2.4-0, libgal2.4-common is in universe, while libgal2-dev is in main...something is wrong here, isn't it? | 09:06 |
| ogra | the libs were not in sync during the build attempt | 09:06 |
| \sh | oh god..plural == are in universe | 09:06 |
| lamont | buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.amd64:graphics/dia_0.94.0-17.1: Installed by buildd+crested [optional:out-of-date] | 09:08 |
| lamont | buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.hppa:graphics/dia_0.94.0-17.1: Installed [optional:out-of-date] | 09:08 |
| lamont | buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.i386:graphics/dia_0.94.0-17.1: Installed by buildd+rothera [optional:out-of-date] | 09:08 |
| lamont | buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.ia64:graphics/dia_0.94.0-17.1: Building by buildd+weddell [optional:out-of-date] | 09:08 |
| sivang | hi all | 09:08 |
| lamont | buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.powerpc:graphics/dia_0.94.0-17.1: Building by buildd+ross [optional:out-of-date] | 09:08 |
| lamont | buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.sparc:graphics/dia_0.94.0-17.1: Needs-Build [optional:out-of-date] | 09:08 |
| lamont | given back on ia64 and ppc | 09:08 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 09:08 |
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| \sh | ogra: what was the url to have a look on the demotions and promotions from main to universe, and vice versa? | 09:08 |
| Kamion | \sh: libgal2-dev's in the list to be demoted to universe | 09:08 |
| \sh | Kamion: ah...thx :) | 09:09 |
| mvo | janimo: hi! do you plan to use update-manager in xubuntu as well? or does it has too many gnome depends for you :) ? | 09:09 |
| Kamion | I'll leave it until I've checked with seb128 though | 09:09 |
| ogra | \sh, anastacia.txt in mdz's people account | 09:09 |
| Kamion | \sh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt | 09:09 |
| Kamion | it's a bit of a mess at the moment | 09:09 |
| janimo | mvo, I looked at it and had quite some gnome deps :) | 09:09 |
| janimo | if they can be cleanely factored out I'd like to use it | 09:09 |
| \sh | Kamion: could be this the reason why it's uninstallable right now? | 09:09 |
| janimo | mvo, it does have a python part also right? | 09:09 |
| Kamion | in main? yes | 09:09 |
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| \sh | Kamion: yes, -dev in main and lib in universe | 09:10 |
| Kamion | yes | 09:10 |
| \sh | Kamion: thx | 09:10 |
| mvo | janimo: I ask because we'll have the upgrade-tool for dapper and it might be interessting to have that working with xubuntu as well | 09:10 |
| mvo | janimo: it's all python (pygtk+python-apt) | 09:10 |
| janimo | mvo, if it's all python it's fine except | 09:10 |
| sivang | pitti: ping | 09:10 |
| janimo | the python-gnome bindings are not too fine grained from what I saw | 09:10 |
| janimo | and if you use for instance gnome-canvas instead of needed that single gnome leaf library | 09:11 |
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| martinhj | str til? | 09:11 |
| mvo | so python-gnome2 is too much for you, riht? | 09:11 |
| janimo | it brings all in (ui,bonobo,vfs) on disk I mean not memory thankfully | 09:11 |
| martinhj | sorry | 09:11 |
| janimo | mvo, I think it is too late to have a python-canvas separate package | 09:12 |
| janimo | you do not actually use bonobo or other core gnoem stuff I assume? | 09:12 |
| mvo | janimo: I will have a look, it don't use that much gnome, it may be possible to make it plain pygtk+python-glade | 09:12 |
| janimo | most uses of gnome libs (C and python) I see fall into calling gnome_help or gnome_program init | 09:12 |
| mvo | janimo: the important stuff is the gnome help system | 09:13 |
| janimo | which could be done with ftk | 09:13 |
| janimo | ok, gnome.display_help is equivalent to exec yelp | 09:13 |
| janimo | or even better gnome-open | 09:13 |
| janimo | if it's installed (gnome envirnment) great | 09:13 |
| janimo | if not maybe a small popup dialog telling that to the user | 09:13 |
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| janimo | this is how I replaces gnome.help with the exec in launchpad integration lib so gaim, firefox etc do not depend on gnome in breezy | 09:14 |
| janimo | mvo, thanks if you could make it gtk/glade only it would be awesome | 09:14 |
| mvo | I would be interessted in it to make xubuntu-desktop upgrades possible | 09:15 |
| janimo | mvo, yes me too :) | 09:15 |
| mvo | janimo: xubuntu-desktop is availabe in breezy as well, right? | 09:15 |
| janimo | so the updater is a python program and also a gnome applet IIRC? | 09:15 |
| janimo | mvo, yes in breezy too | 09:15 |
| mvo | janimo: the applet is a C application (a seperate one) | 09:16 |
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| janimo | that is not essential right? I mean the updater can be launched as a standalone app | 09:16 |
| mvo | yes, exactly | 09:16 |
| janimo | but I may adapt it to the xfce panel as a plugin | 09:16 |
| mvo | it should already run in the xfce panel as it's a normal tray applet | 09:17 |
| mvo | but it uses gnomevfs | 09:17 |
| janimo | does the app have a systray component and uses libnotify? | 09:17 |
| mvo | yes, both | 09:17 |
| janimo | I have just looked today at g-p-m and it is similar | 09:18 |
| mvo | it's probably harder to rip out the gnome stuff there | 09:18 |
| mvo | update-manger should be much easier | 09:18 |
| janimo | except its use of (understandable) gnomesession saving it could be just as well written with gtk | 09:18 |
| mvo | yes. it uses gnome-vfs though to monitor for apt/dpkg activity (and hooks) | 09:19 |
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| janimo | oh yeah swicthed from gamin IIRC | 09:19 |
| mvo | yes, we may be able to get rid of libgamin for dapper | 09:20 |
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| janimo | oh is it not a core gnome dep? | 09:20 |
| tseng | not anymore | 09:20 |
| janimo | does vfs talk directly to inotify now? | 09:20 |
| tseng | ya | 09:20 |
| mvo | that's why I switched as well | 09:20 |
| AlinuxOS | people how can I translate gnome-menus in my own language...? | 09:22 |
| AlinuxOS | I've alredy done it... compile .po file into .mo file... put it in right directory..but menus are still in english :(( | 09:22 |
| janimo | mvo, I have an older update manager (0.40) source pkg and grepping through it shows that indeed gnome.init and gnome.help_display_desktop are used only | 09:24 |
| janimo | gtk.init and exec gnome-open may just do the trick | 09:24 |
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| trappist | it seems alsaconf was very intentionally left out of alsa-utils. anyone know why? | 09:25 |
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| mvo | janimo: thanks, I'll try to find time tomorrow to fix that and fix the dist-upgrader to know about xubuntu-desktop as well | 09:25 |
| janimo | mvo, thanks :) | 09:25 |
| trappist | I was about to file a bug on the package but I thought I'd have a look first to make sure it wasn't intentional | 09:26 |
| trappist | the lines that remove it are preceded by "# do not install alsaconf for Ubuntu" | 09:26 |
| Burgwork | trappist, you need to talk with pitti about that I believe | 09:26 |
| wasabi_ | Something just busted up my networking. Looks like the handling of /etc/networks/interfaces changes | 09:27 |
| === trappist hilights pitti | ||
| wasabi_ | I ended up having two auto eth0 lines in it, so networking failed on start. | 09:27 |
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| pitti | re | 09:51 |
| pitti | trappist: yes? | 09:51 |
| pitti | trappist: you miss alsaconf? | 09:52 |
| trappist | pitti: wondering about omitting alsaconf from alsa-utils. they say you're the guy to ask. | 09:52 |
| trappist | I do | 09:52 |
| pitti | trappist: uh, we removed it back in warty or so; basically you should never need it | 09:52 |
| sivang | pitti: hi | 09:52 |
| pitti | since hotplug & co automatically care for loading drivers and such | 09:52 |
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| trappist | I know there are other solutions, but I've been noticing in #ubuntu for example that it's sorely missed. online documentation points to it, sound doesn't always 'just work', people coming from other distros are accustomed to it, etc. | 09:53 |
| \sh | pitti: did you read the CVEs about openmotif? | 09:53 |
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| pitti | \sh: no, which? | 09:54 |
| sivang | pitti: have you had a chance to see nomed's stuff, the mount notifications stuff done by some guy who started the dsslive.org project. It seems very nice, written in python. something I think could power up the user experience on desktop Ubuntu. | 09:54 |
| \sh | pitti: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/29398 | 09:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29398: "CVE-2005-3964: Two exploitable buffer overflows in openmotif" Fix req. for: openmotif (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Unconfirmed | 09:55 |
| pitti | sivang: I never heard about that | 09:55 |
| pitti | \sh: I see | 09:56 |
| \sh | pitti: I tried to get some patches from openmotifs homepage...but nothing I found about it... | 09:56 |
| \sh | pitti: only new upstream version | 09:56 |
| \sh | pitti: but most likely the new version has this buffer overflow as well, and the reporter wasn't testing it with 2.2.4 as I understand him | 09:57 |
| trappist | pitti: I know there are other solutions, but I've been noticing in #ubuntu for example that it's sorely missed. online documentation points to it, sound doesn't always 'just work', people coming from other distros are accustomed to it, etc. | 09:57 |
| sivang | pitti: I see, well there's an svn repo that represents a debian source pkg, with that guy's assitance, I instaleld on on my dapper and it works nicely. he also makes it configurable with xml files to match against mout / plug actions. The nicest thing about it, is that it allows you to responde to plugging events, so you can mount a CD rom volume if you inserted one, usb drive volumes etc. basically I understood from him he is going to extend it | 09:57 |
| pitti | \sh: they don't have a public cvs? | 09:58 |
| pitti | trappist: hm, I'm not totally sure why we removed it back then, mdz should know | 09:58 |
| \sh | pitti: ah..I just looked at the wrong place...openmotif.org is that what I need, will investigate further tomorrow, | 09:59 |
| pitti | sivang: sounds like gnome-volume-manager | 09:59 |
| pitti | sivang: what's the difference to g-v-m? | 09:59 |
| trappist | pitti: according to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=52941 the reason is pretty much what you said, but imho "shouldn't be needed" isn't the same as "shouldn't be provided" | 10:01 |
| pitti | \sh: http://cvs.motifzone.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/openmotif/?cvsroot=openmotif | 10:01 |
| sivang | pitti: this is not a volume manager, but rather volume mount notifications stack that can work with g-v-m or something else. | 10:01 |
| sivang | pitti: or maybe it is? :) | 10:01 |
| \sh | pitti: nothing | 10:02 |
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| pitti | trappist: well, I wouldn't mind shipping it again; can you talk to mdz tomorrow? Maybe I'm not aware of the reasons | 10:04 |
| ogra | iirc, it broke the setups | 10:04 |
| ogra | but dont ask in which way, thats all i remember ... | 10:04 |
| trappist | pitti: I'll keep an eye out for him, thanks | 10:04 |
| pitti | thank you | 10:05 |
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| sivang | pitti: if it's easy to do with g-v-m, is this something that could be / is rejected by UI usability stand point? | 10:19 |
| pitti | sivang: dunno, for that I need to know what that program actually does | 10:19 |
| pitti | sivang: g-v-m's purpose is to execute desktop actions in response to hardware changes | 10:20 |
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| seb128 | pitti: what is the topic? | 10:21 |
| sivang | pitti: and it's arbitrarily extendible, as in adding / removing new actions right? | 10:21 |
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| pitti_ | yay my network | 10:22 |
| sivang | pitti_: I'll replay :) | 10:23 |
| sivang | pitti_: and it's arbitrarily extendible, as in adding / removing new actions right? | 10:24 |
| sivang | err | 10:24 |
| sivang | :) | 10:24 |
| sivang | pitti: changing nicks just as I address you :) | 10:24 |
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| pitti | sivang: no, g-v-m isn't; you can arbitrarily define the actions for a fixed set of events | 10:24 |
| segfault | i'm unable to boot in vmware using the latest kernel. has anyone tried? | 10:24 |
| sivang | pitti: ah, I see. still adding notifications (as in libnotify desktop notifications) is independent of that. | 10:25 |
| ogra | sivang, having an additional g-v-m-dbus-listener process that pops up messages if mount/umount messages hit the dbus should be quite trivial | 10:26 |
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| sivang | ogra: yes, that's what I'm saying :) | 10:27 |
| ogra | but who would want popups for all events ? :) | 10:27 |
| sivang | ogra: also allow you to respond to them, for example I get many complaints from converted people from windoze, that they need to "find" the computer item in places, and then browse and mount their volumes. | 10:28 |
| sivang | ogra: they would prefer it popping up as windoze does, allowing them "to browse" or wahtever | 10:28 |
| ogra | apart from "i dont know how to hanlde this device" i wouldnt know any usecase | 10:28 |
| tseng | if it doesnt know how to handle it | 10:29 |
| tseng | chances are the user doesnt know where to go from there anyway | 10:29 |
| Lathiat | 10:29 | |
| ogra | yes | 10:29 |
| ogra | sivang, for me a window opens if i plug in a device ... | 10:29 |
| ogra | no need for a popup | 10:29 |
| pitti | and an icon appears on the desktop as well | 10:30 |
| ogra | tseng, the popup could have a button that starts the hwdb client and opens a bugreport with the hwdb id attached ;) | 10:30 |
| sivang | yes, but if their desktop is currently out of ficus, or minimized they don't get it | 10:30 |
| sivang | ogra: lol | 10:31 |
| tseng | ogra: sure | 10:31 |
| sivang | tseng: what do you mean "if it doesn't know how to handle it" ? | 10:31 |
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| tseng | sivang: no driver is hotplugged | 10:31 |
| sivang | tseng: yes, but what has it go to do to the notification stuff? | 10:32 |
| bradb | Hey all, I'm looking for some feedback on UI prototypes for the reports for packages you've told Malone to send you bugmail on. | 10:32 |
| bradb | http://flickr.com/photos/84096161@N00/ | 10:32 |
| jbailey | bradb: How is that changed if I don't want it to send me bugmail at all, ever. | 10:33 |
| jbailey | ? | 10:33 |
| bradb | search_results, simple_search, and advanced_search | 10:33 |
| bradb | jbailey: segmentation fault | 10:33 |
| bradb | I guess these would be mostly irrelevant to you, for now. | 10:33 |
| jbailey | bradb: Well, I expect to receive bugs, but I prefer to use a web interface and the search queries, especially as you have them there. | 10:34 |
| jbailey | I'm wondering if the idea of subscribing to a package and receiving bugmail is infinitely coupled. | 10:34 |
| bradb | It needn't be. | 10:34 |
| bradb | But in the short term it will continue to be. | 10:35 |
| jbailey | 'k | 10:35 |
| sivang | pitti, ogra : the code I saw is here http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/dss/dss-main/nomed/trunk/?rev=0&sc=0 | 10:36 |
| Burgwork | bradb, sorry, I don't like your new bug page. It is still much too busy | 10:36 |
| sivang | ogra: (I sent you something from there the other day) | 10:37 |
| sivang | anyway folks, I gotta hit bed already :-( | 10:38 |
| sivang | night all | 10:38 |
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| Evaso | any support for dm-raid in the live-cd/installer of dapper? | 10:39 |
| bradb | Burgwork: How would you prefer it to look? (With consideration for page loads and clicks required to get things done.) | 10:40 |
| Kamion | Evaso: psusi has been working on it | 10:40 |
| Kamion | but no, not yet | 10:40 |
| Burgwork | bradb, the top table needs some data ordering by priority. Everything is all the same size | 10:40 |
| Evaso | Kamion: is there something in the svn? | 10:40 |
| Kamion | Evaso: no | 10:41 |
| bradb | Burgwork: According to whose priority? :) | 10:41 |
| Burgwork | bradb, the one you figure out must people need | 10:41 |
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| bradb | Burgwork: In any case, I'm interested in getting your and others' feedback on the three pages noted above. What do you think of those? | 10:45 |
| Burgwork | advanced search isn | 10:46 |
| Burgwork | t bad, working within the existing limitations of the LP interface | 10:46 |
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| Burgwork | bradb, your bug listing method is crap, to be honest | 10:47 |
| Burgwork | it needs to be in a table, to be trivially resorted | 10:47 |
| Burgwork | like the old method | 10:47 |
| bradb | Burgwork: How would you suggest a table layout be done in the three column layout? | 10:47 |
| Burgwork | bradb, I would like to junk the three column layout, to be honest | 10:48 |
| tseng | Burgwork++ | 10:48 |
| bradb | You guys can help make these things change if you write your concerns to launchpad-users@. | 10:48 |
| bradb | If you don't, they'll remain as they are right now. | 10:49 |
| tseng | are you sure you want to *invite* Burgwork to post on your list? | 10:49 |
| tseng | he is unstoppable | 10:49 |
| jbailey | bradb: Hover-based fisheye for the side columns YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT BABY! | 10:49 |
| bddebian | Heh | 10:49 |
| bradb | *invite*? launchpad-users is public. :) | 10:49 |
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| jbailey | bddebian: Hey, two days in a row. Good to see you. =) | 10:50 |
| tseng | dont say I didnt warn you | 10:50 |
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| bddebian | jbailey: Thanks, you too | 10:50 |
| Burgwork | bradb, I would suggest you talk to jbailey and Keybuk. The presented an excellent layout at UBZ to mpt (I snuck in to watch) | 10:51 |
| bradb | Burgwork: I've talked to them, and saw the layout. | 10:52 |
| jbailey | Burgwork: Ah, I'm pretty certain we inflicted that on just about everyone in the launchpad team. =) | 10:52 |
| Burgwork | jbailey, excellent work! | 10:52 |
| jbailey | And most of the conference, given our hallway usability studies. =) | 10:52 |
| bradb | I hate the portlets at least as much as you guys, but I can promise you they'll be there for as long as you guys aren't writing your complaints in a place that the sab can see them. | 10:52 |
| bradb | I doubt he reads l-u@, but at least we have archive URLs. | 10:53 |
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| bradb | Burgwork: I get the impression that you think we *chose* this layout. :) | 10:54 |
| Burgwork | bradb, here is good quote for you. "After the table layout change, that was the straw that broke the camels back for me and bug triaging in Malone" | 10:55 |
| bradb | Burgwork: You're preaching to the choir dude. | 10:55 |
| Burgwork | hey, I don't work for Canonical. I can email sabdfl and tell him how LP needs a new layout without risking my job! | 10:56 |
| bradb | Burgwork: Then you should. | 10:56 |
| mjg59 | Ok, I've uploaded a fixed dbus | 10:56 |
| bradb | Burgwork: iwj did. :) | 10:57 |
| ogra | mjg59, \o/ | 10:57 |
| Burgwork | anyway, the work part of the my nick actually means I supposed to be working and not on IRC | 10:57 |
| bradb | ok | 10:59 |
| torkel | pitti: ping? | 11:10 |
| pitti | hi torkel | 11:10 |
| torkel | hi pitti | 11:10 |
| torkel | pitti: did you forget to actually depend on alsa-util in you upload of control-center? | 11:10 |
| pitti | torkel: well, yes and no. I patched debian/control instead of debian/control.in | 11:11 |
| pitti | torkel: thanks for spotting | 11:12 |
| pitti | *grumpf* | 11:12 |
| torkel | np | 11:12 |
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| mjg59 | Oh why is dbus FTBFS now? | 11:18 |
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| ogra | mjg59, configure.in:220: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL | 11:19 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, hello :) | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | That shouldn't be an issue | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | Hm. No, maybe it is. | 11:20 |
| ogra | in any case some autotools stuff ... | 11:20 |
| mjg59 | Oh, probably needs to build-dep on libtool | 11:20 |
| segfault | anyone tried 2.6.15-13-686 in vmware 5.0? | 11:25 |
| pitti | mjg59: shouldn't it rather avoid calling autobreak during package build? | 11:26 |
| mjg59 | pitti: No, because that defeats the object of having broken out patches | 11:27 |
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| torkel | segfault: does it even build? I tried to build latest vmplayer some time ago, but it failed on -12 IIRC, and I didn't have time to look into it | 11:29 |
| segfault | yes, i'm running vmware. but after the latest update, it doesn't boot anymore. i have lvm partitions :-) | 11:30 |
| segfault | and it cant find them | 11:31 |
| torkel | segfault: hm, guess I should retry a build then | 11:31 |
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| Tm_T | humm, no fonts matching to -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--*-*-*-*-c-*-*-* | 11:46 |
| Tm_T | not good | 11:46 |
| Tm_T | problem is, osd_cat doesn't work ;) | 11:46 |
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| pitti | jordi: ping | 11:48 |
| \sh | bah...I hate mozilla sources and location changes...moving from one location to another location | 11:50 |
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| pitti | good night everybody | 11:53 |
| tseng | bye pitti | 11:53 |
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