| derekS | JulienH: np | 12:19 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by spike at Thu Jan 5 05:24:37 2006 | ||
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| ubijtsa | fabbione: who looks after the network base stuff in dapper? | 12:09 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: no worry, I see the guy got an answer in the end.. | 12:11 |
| spike | hi there | 12:13 |
| ubijtsa | lo spike | 12:54 |
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| spike | ubijtsa: do you know much about wifi networks? | 01:01 |
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| ubijtsa | spike: some.. only what I have figured out myself when messing with it, why? | 01:40 |
| spike | ubijtsa: trying to figure out a few things to implement a network I've been asked to design | 01:43 |
| ubijtsa | go ahead | 01:43 |
| fabbione | spike: explain the problem :) | 01:43 |
| fabbione | the worst case you will have no solution | 01:43 |
| spike | the thing is I cant really find something in between WPA+PSK and WPA+EAP(EAP-TLS/PEAP)+Radius | 01:44 |
| spike | for them it would be enough WPA2+randomized keys | 01:44 |
| spike | but I'm not sure how to implement that | 01:44 |
| ubijtsa | spike: new enough hardware has WPA2 capabilities | 01:45 |
| spike | another solution would be a vpn, with openvpn maybe | 01:45 |
| ubijtsa | best solution would be to not use encryption in the networking infrastructure if possible.. | 01:45 |
| spike | ubijtsa: uhm, for what I've read, I cant see how WPA2 helps with random keys | 01:45 |
| ubijtsa | frees/wan should be better | 01:46 |
| spike | ubijtsa: ipsec? | 01:46 |
| spike | oh, k, I c | 01:46 |
| ubijtsa | yes, ipsec. problem is, Windows require 3DES if you run ipsec | 01:46 |
| spike | that's why I mentioned openswan above | 01:47 |
| ubijtsa | unless very recent versions of windows finally got AES support | 01:47 |
| spike | eer | 01:47 |
| spike | s/openswan/opnevpn | 01:47 |
| ubijtsa | if you need to use 3DES, you will require a fairly hefty server | 01:47 |
| ubijtsa | AES is less heavy on the old cpu :) | 01:48 |
| spike | anyway, this was already a known solution, but what about alternatives? | 01:48 |
| spike | isnt there anything to have random keys with WPA without implementing EAP/radius stuff? | 01:49 |
| spike | I couldnt find much around | 01:49 |
| spike | ubijtsa: and why would you advise the use of ipsec/vpn? WPA2 appears to be failry secure (I've read about wpa cracking attempts) | 01:50 |
| ubijtsa | personal preference I guess | 01:51 |
| ubijtsa | with frees/wan, you have security that you know works | 01:51 |
| ubijtsa | with the stuff in the wireless kit, you don't know if there are backdoors | 01:52 |
| ubijtsa | depends what you are trying to do, if you want it bulletproof or not | 01:53 |
| spike | wireless kit? you mean the sw coming with the AP? | 01:53 |
| spike | s/coming with/on | 01:53 |
| ubijtsa | aye | 01:53 |
| spike | ubijtsa: I'm just reading up and analyzing solutions. yet I have no answer for the WPA2+random keys solution... I'm wondering if anything like that actually exists | 01:54 |
| spike | everybody seems to go either with vpn or WPA+EAP+RADIUS | 01:54 |
| spike | instead of basic WPA+PSK of course | 01:54 |
| ubijtsa | 802.1x is probably good enough | 01:55 |
| spike | yeah, but it sounds a bit overkill for this scenario | 01:55 |
| ubijtsa | if it leaves room to grow... ;) | 01:55 |
| spike | yeah, but assuming something like WPA + random keys exists it'd be easier to implement.. I'm not gonna do the two for the same price :) | 01:56 |
| spike | and since it'd be enough for 'em, proposing both solutions sounds like the best thing to do | 01:56 |
| ubijtsa | draft a proposal for an easy, a medium and a large solution... | 01:59 |
| ubijtsa | let them pick what they want. :) | 02:00 |
| spike | eeer, that's what I said, yes, and the point of my whole question is exactly the intermediate solution I cant find (excluding the vpn one) | 02:00 |
| ubijtsa | I see.. | 02:01 |
| spike | compared to WPA2+PSK and WPA2+EAP+RADIUS the obvious intermediate solution to me seems WPA2+Random keys, but cant really find anything about it | 02:01 |
| ubijtsa | I thought the PSK stuff was the random key solution. | 02:02 |
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| spike | a "bit" :) | 02:11 |
| spike | I'm gonna grab some pizza to help the thinking, brb | 02:11 |
| ubijtsa | :) | 02:16 |
| spike | eheh, I love to read rants like this while eating ;) | 02:31 |
| spike | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html | 02:31 |
| ubijtsa | grin | 02:31 |
| spike | said is, none of my employer ever spoken like that to me... :/ | 02:33 |
| spike | so it seems there' s a real shortage on both sides | 02:33 |
| spike | s/said/sad/ | 02:34 |
| spike | eeh, wait, employer is the one that gets employed or the one employing someone, ie doing recruiting? | 02:34 |
| tepsipakki | employer employs employees ;) | 02:44 |
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| spike | tepsipakki: tnx :) | 02:48 |
| spike | brb, moving to another site | 02:48 |
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| ealden | MarioMeyer: ping | 04:44 |
| MarioMeyer | ealden, pong | 05:12 |
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| E0x | the forum is down ? | 05:55 |
| E0x | ( again ) | 05:55 |
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| paul_ | hi all! | 08:22 |
| paul_ | i am running ubuntu for quite a while now and am very happy with it's server performance. right now i am looking to replace an M$ streamingserver for an opensource server. | 08:23 |
| paul_ | does anyone know about a streamingserver (deamon) for ubuntu? | 08:24 |
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| segfault | vai levando com naturalidade | 11:34 |
| segfault | ops | 11:34 |
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