[12:19] JulienH: np === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@195.22.207.161] has joined #ubuntu-server === Topic for #ubuntu-server: ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | U. S. (stable) at http://tinyurl.com/b3jek | U. S. (Devel) at http://tinyurl.com/cllfu | U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b | U. S. forums at http://tinyurl.com/b77qg | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | searchable packages list: http://packages.ubuntu.com === Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by spike at Thu Jan 5 05:24:37 2006 === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@130.233.200.84] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pazzo [n=Pazzo@81.72.250.130] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@80.229.160.88] has joined #ubuntu-server === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === #ubuntu-server [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === polvi [n=polvi@osuosl/staff/polvi] has joined #ubuntu-server === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@58.69.6.105] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@58.69.6.105] has left #ubuntu-server [] === ealden [n=ealden@58.69.6.105] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@58.69.6.105] has left #ubuntu-server [] === ajmitch_ [i=ajmitch@port169-250.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === henriquemaia [n=henrique@87-196-73-229.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa swears loudly over fakeraid cards === Lasse [n=Lasse@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === Lasse [n=Lasse@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-218-21.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.155] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@host198-132.pool82189.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-server === kyrre_ is now known as kyrre === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:09] fabbione: who looks after the network base stuff in dapper? [12:11] fabbione: no worry, I see the guy got an answer in the end.. [12:13] hi there [12:54] lo spike === ubijtsa makes mental note to check the irc window more often [01:01] ubijtsa: do you know much about wifi networks? === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.98] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:40] spike: some.. only what I have figured out myself when messing with it, why? [01:43] ubijtsa: trying to figure out a few things to implement a network I've been asked to design [01:43] go ahead [01:43] spike: explain the problem :) [01:43] the worst case you will have no solution [01:44] the thing is I cant really find something in between WPA+PSK and WPA+EAP(EAP-TLS/PEAP)+Radius [01:44] for them it would be enough WPA2+randomized keys [01:44] but I'm not sure how to implement that [01:45] spike: new enough hardware has WPA2 capabilities [01:45] another solution would be a vpn, with openvpn maybe [01:45] best solution would be to not use encryption in the networking infrastructure if possible.. [01:45] ubijtsa: uhm, for what I've read, I cant see how WPA2 helps with random keys [01:46] frees/wan should be better [01:46] ubijtsa: ipsec? [01:46] oh, k, I c [01:46] yes, ipsec. problem is, Windows require 3DES if you run ipsec [01:47] that's why I mentioned openswan above [01:47] unless very recent versions of windows finally got AES support [01:47] eer [01:47] s/openswan/opnevpn [01:47] if you need to use 3DES, you will require a fairly hefty server [01:48] AES is less heavy on the old cpu :) [01:48] anyway, this was already a known solution, but what about alternatives? [01:49] isnt there anything to have random keys with WPA without implementing EAP/radius stuff? [01:49] I couldnt find much around [01:50] ubijtsa: and why would you advise the use of ipsec/vpn? WPA2 appears to be failry secure (I've read about wpa cracking attempts) [01:51] personal preference I guess [01:51] with frees/wan, you have security that you know works [01:52] with the stuff in the wireless kit, you don't know if there are backdoors [01:53] depends what you are trying to do, if you want it bulletproof or not [01:53] wireless kit? you mean the sw coming with the AP? [01:53] s/coming with/on [01:53] aye [01:54] ubijtsa: I'm just reading up and analyzing solutions. yet I have no answer for the WPA2+random keys solution... I'm wondering if anything like that actually exists [01:54] everybody seems to go either with vpn or WPA+EAP+RADIUS [01:54] instead of basic WPA+PSK of course [01:55] 802.1x is probably good enough [01:55] yeah, but it sounds a bit overkill for this scenario [01:55] if it leaves room to grow... ;) [01:56] yeah, but assuming something like WPA + random keys exists it'd be easier to implement.. I'm not gonna do the two for the same price :) [01:56] and since it'd be enough for 'em, proposing both solutions sounds like the best thing to do [01:59] draft a proposal for an easy, a medium and a large solution... [02:00] let them pick what they want. :) [02:00] eeer, that's what I said, yes, and the point of my whole question is exactly the intermediate solution I cant find (excluding the vpn one) [02:01] I see.. [02:01] compared to WPA2+PSK and WPA2+EAP+RADIUS the obvious intermediate solution to me seems WPA2+Random keys, but cant really find anything about it [02:02] I thought the PSK stuff was the random key solution. === spike is a bit confused [02:11] a "bit" :) [02:11] I'm gonna grab some pizza to help the thinking, brb [02:16] :) [02:31] eheh, I love to read rants like this while eating ;) [02:31] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html [02:31] grin [02:33] said is, none of my employer ever spoken like that to me... :/ [02:33] so it seems there' s a real shortage on both sides [02:34] s/said/sad/ [02:34] eeh, wait, employer is the one that gets employed or the one employing someone, ie doing recruiting? [02:44] employer employs employees ;) === hunger [n=tobias@p54A608C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:48] tepsipakki: tnx :) [02:48] brb, moving to another site === spike [n=spike@212.19.104.81] has joined #ubuntu-server === segfault_ [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-server === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.194.199] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:44] MarioMeyer: ping [05:12] ealden, pong === E0x [n=moya@pri-133-b32.codetel.net.do] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:55] the forum is down ? [05:55] ( again ) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-server === paul_ [n=paul@neo.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-server [08:22] hi all! [08:23] i am running ubuntu for quite a while now and am very happy with it's server performance. right now i am looking to replace an M$ streamingserver for an opensource server. [08:24] does anyone know about a streamingserver (deamon) for ubuntu? === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-server === henriquemaia [n=henrique@87-196-105-28.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-252-235.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:34] vai levando com naturalidade [11:34] ops