[12:19] <derekS> JulienH: np
[12:09] <ubijtsa> fabbione: who looks after the network base stuff in dapper?
[12:11] <ubijtsa> fabbione: no worry, I see the guy got an answer in the end..
[12:13] <spike> hi there
[12:54] <ubijtsa> lo spike
[01:01] <spike> ubijtsa: do you know much about wifi networks?
[01:40] <ubijtsa> spike: some.. only what I have figured out myself when messing with it, why?
[01:43] <spike> ubijtsa: trying to figure out a few things to implement a network I've been asked to design
[01:43] <ubijtsa> go ahead
[01:43] <fabbione> spike: explain the problem :)
[01:43] <fabbione> the worst case you will have no solution
[01:44] <spike> the thing is I cant really find something in between WPA+PSK and WPA+EAP(EAP-TLS/PEAP)+Radius
[01:44] <spike> for them it would be enough WPA2+randomized keys
[01:44] <spike> but I'm not sure how to implement that
[01:45] <ubijtsa> spike: new enough hardware has WPA2 capabilities
[01:45] <spike> another solution would be a vpn, with openvpn maybe
[01:45] <ubijtsa> best solution would be to not use encryption in the networking infrastructure if possible..
[01:45] <spike> ubijtsa: uhm, for what I've read, I cant see how WPA2 helps with random keys
[01:46] <ubijtsa> frees/wan should be better
[01:46] <spike> ubijtsa: ipsec?
[01:46] <spike> oh, k, I c
[01:46] <ubijtsa> yes, ipsec. problem is, Windows require 3DES if you run ipsec
[01:47] <spike> that's why I mentioned openswan above
[01:47] <ubijtsa> unless very recent versions of windows finally got AES support
[01:47] <spike> eer
[01:47] <spike> s/openswan/opnevpn
[01:47] <ubijtsa> if you need to use 3DES, you will require a fairly hefty server
[01:48] <ubijtsa> AES is less heavy on the old cpu :)
[01:48] <spike> anyway, this was already a known solution, but what about alternatives?
[01:49] <spike> isnt there anything to have random keys with WPA without implementing EAP/radius stuff?
[01:49] <spike> I couldnt find much around
[01:50] <spike> ubijtsa: and why would you advise the use of ipsec/vpn? WPA2 appears to be failry secure (I've read about wpa cracking attempts)
[01:51] <ubijtsa> personal preference I guess
[01:51] <ubijtsa> with frees/wan, you have security that you know works
[01:52] <ubijtsa> with the stuff in the wireless kit, you don't know if there are backdoors
[01:53] <ubijtsa> depends what you are trying to do, if you want it bulletproof or not
[01:53] <spike> wireless kit? you mean the sw coming with the AP?
[01:53] <spike> s/coming with/on
[01:53] <ubijtsa> aye
[01:54] <spike> ubijtsa: I'm just reading up and analyzing solutions. yet I have no answer for the WPA2+random keys solution... I'm wondering if anything like that actually exists
[01:54] <spike> everybody seems to go either with vpn or WPA+EAP+RADIUS
[01:54] <spike> instead of basic WPA+PSK of course
[01:55] <ubijtsa> 802.1x is probably good enough
[01:55] <spike> yeah, but it sounds a bit overkill for this scenario
[01:55] <ubijtsa> if it leaves room to grow... ;)
[01:56] <spike> yeah, but assuming something like WPA + random keys exists it'd be easier to implement.. I'm not gonna do the two for the same price :)
[01:56] <spike> and since it'd be enough for 'em, proposing both solutions sounds like the best thing to do
[01:59] <ubijtsa> draft a proposal for an easy, a medium and a large solution...
[02:00] <ubijtsa> let them pick what they want. :)
[02:00] <spike> eeer, that's what I said, yes, and the point of my whole question is exactly the intermediate solution I cant find (excluding the vpn one)
[02:01] <ubijtsa> I see..
[02:01] <spike> compared to WPA2+PSK and WPA2+EAP+RADIUS the obvious intermediate solution to me seems WPA2+Random keys, but cant really find anything about it
[02:02] <ubijtsa> I thought the PSK stuff was the random key solution.
[02:11] <spike> a "bit" :)
[02:11] <spike> I'm gonna grab some pizza to help the thinking, brb
[02:16] <ubijtsa> :)
[02:31] <spike> eheh, I love to read rants like this while eating ;)
[02:31] <spike> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html
[02:31] <ubijtsa> grin
[02:33] <spike> said is, none of my employer ever spoken like that to me... :/
[02:33] <spike> so it seems there' s a real shortage on both sides
[02:34] <spike> s/said/sad/
[02:34] <spike> eeh, wait, employer is the one that gets employed or the one employing someone, ie doing recruiting?
[02:44] <tepsipakki> employer employs employees ;)
[02:48] <spike> tepsipakki: tnx :)
[02:48] <spike> brb, moving to another site
[04:44] <ealden> MarioMeyer: ping
[05:12] <MarioMeyer> ealden, pong
[05:55] <E0x> the forum is down ?
[05:55] <E0x> ( again )
[08:22] <paul_> hi all!
[08:23] <paul_> i am running ubuntu for quite a while now and am very happy with it's server performance. right now i am looking to replace an M$ streamingserver for an opensource server.
[08:24] <paul_> does anyone know about a streamingserver (deamon) for ubuntu?
[11:34] <segfault> vai levando com naturalidade
[11:34] <segfault> ops